I know, especially how popular Greek mythology that at some point someone would go "let me do some research about this, oh they're just an oc" but nope
Something similar happened with Norse mythology and fire emblem. Someone went and added a bow supposedly wielded by Odin named Ichaival to the Wikipedia page for mythical items and it stayed there undisturbed for years before people realized it had never been referenced at all until the release of Fire Emblem Thracia 776 in 1999.
@@Boltothemage It's even more hilarious when you realize Gungnir was said to be so well balanced anyone wielding it could hit any target. Unless it has some kind of different purpose the bow would be redundant or inferior to Gungnir.
"he took on depression" is sending me it sounds like hes picking up a new hobby like wow ive been feeling so lonely lately i think ill take on depression to pass the time
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One of my hobbies is depression, i took it up a while ago and it got old fast. I’ve tried dropping it but now it just seems like a part of me. 0/10 would not recommend
All I could think of for like 80% of the story was: "Oh, so she's Snow White." Seriously, the perfect daughter, shaped by her parent's imagination, the most beautiful of beauties, to the point of enraging a relative who was previously the most beautiful, who then uses *specifically a cursed comb* to attack the girl while she's unprotected - Snow White, through and through. The difference, of course, is that Snow White survives the comb, requiring another two attempts to take down, whereas Mesperyian gets one-hit KO'd and promptly turns into the Phantom of the Opera. *Metal.*
Edgy Snow White can actually work, being one of those “I waited for so long but no one came for me now I put my fate into my own hand” characters. It would be very much like twisted Fiona from Shrek.
The storyline of "Hades made a tulpa because he was down bad, then Aphrodite got so mad about it that she did an arson attack" is one of the most Classical Mythology things I can imagine.
What I really enjoyed about the original short story is how the grammar and coherence slowly but steadily degraded the further it got. The last few lines are basically a word salad.
Tbh I was already convinced it was a school project but now you point that out that's the nail in the coffin, does this not sound exactly like it was written by some poor 14 year old who'd procrastinated their assignment until the night before and then had to rush to get it done while gradually becoming more and more sleep deprived and unenthusiastic the closer they got to being done
Yeah exactly! That’s why it definitely felt like a high school project, where the person was very excited about them idea and had ambitious plans but then they put it away and suddenly the deadline was creeping up so they rushed it.
The funniest part of this thing is that Ancient Greece had a deity of punishment and revenge. Her name is Nemesis and she is specifically, goddess of those fitting symbolic punishments that appear a lot in Greek myths
I guess Nemesis didn't sound as cool as the other name 🤷 Also, let's not forget the Erynies (I have no idea how to spell it in English) Also, Halloween, in the sense that it is known now, was not a thing in Ancient Greece. I've found a great video about it and its roots but it's in greek, I don't know how many people watching this video will be able to watch the other one
As a classics student I can say the assignment to make a fake Greek god is SUPER common in 100 levels and a lot of the more Online people in my year posted theirs to different fanfic websites. Also, neopagan tumblr is a swamp of misinfo PLEASE look at actual ancient sources 😭 I’ve literally written two papers on how bad tumblr dark academia and pagan “information” on classics is Edit: this is hilarious tho I’m gonna write a paper on her
This kind of thing is very much infesting tiktok atm, kind of scared of the tumblr renaissance happening on there. Anxiously awaiting the fypcon ballpit
@@NathanOhsure Not to sound deep, but this is just human nature. People repeat history over and over again because there are some things that a portion of people will never understand unless they experience it for themselves. It’s why every generation of (typically white Western) children has that inexplicable urge to reinvent the wheel over and over again because there is no greater high than believing you’re unique and bigger brain than stinky adults 🤢 I joined tumblr my junior year of high school ~2013 but kept to myself with anime and manga and whatnot. I was autistic and still a bit weird but damn, Tumblr users were something else in those days. Just off-the-wall weird and hugbox-y and passive aggressive sparkles. Sorry for this long comment, but one more thing. It is difficult to convey to kids that what they’re doing is no different than what we did growing up because again, they think they’re discovering plutonium or some shit. They do need to work out these (definitely not new) ideas of theirs, but the question remains “How can we allow them to grow and understand without allowing their shitty ideas to harm others?” Ideas like ace discourse, race, and other issues that they weren’t cognizant enough to understand when WE had them. I don’t know the solution, tbh, because it’s seen as a bad look to be calling out ignorant, self-absorbed 14 year olds since “they’ll grow out of it”. But in the meantime, won’t their stupid ideas be hurting their peers? Idk..
@@basementdwellercosplay Perhaps. But it still could be a springboard to discuss other things. I would hope we could make mistakes in a classroom and walk out learning things and not humiliated.
If this new goddess can envision wings and a new hand for herself and they become reality, why couldn't she just...envision herself back to how she was before she got burned?
Well if you wanna justify the story You could say that she wouldn't want to change that parts keep them because they are an essential part of her But probably because the author was likely kinda young
Yes, I know Hela/Hel is Norse. She is also often drawn with half of her face as dead, although there's evidence that she was "Half-dead" from the waist down and not biffurcated. The character is obviously alluding to Hela/Hel, who is *also* a Goddess associated with a bad death, hence the joke. 😅
@@paigek7172 they’re saying the OC is as if though they took the characteristics of the Norse goddess Hel and combined it with the Greek goddess nemesis. It’s a joke.
The only problem with Mesperyian is that it sounds less like a proper name, and more like an apellative, meaning "from the region of Mesperia" or "descendant of Mesper/Mespera", but even those names don't sound properly greek, unless we change them to Mespiros/Mespira. So yeah, it would be more probable to find evidence of a goddess or divinity who was called Mespira, rather than "Mesperyian".
Fire emblem fans accidentally did this once with Norse mythology. A character named after a Norse god had a named bow that was in fact not in the original myths but someone added it to Wikipedia and it stayed for so long it’s appeared in other video games in relation to the Norse god the bow is associated with
Ichaival actually has a more complex mythological origin. The Norse god of archery Ullr lives at Ýdalir, which translates to “yew dales”, as yew wood was used in bow-making. In Japanese, the word for the yew tree is *ichii*, and Ýdalir translates to *ichii-no-tani*. The English name “Yewfelle” reflects this.
A similar example is how Japan in general thinks the Irish god Lugh had a spear called "Brionac", when it in fact had no basis in reality and was named after a made-up fact for a JRPG.
@@honkstheclown8631 I did something similar as a kid but with Artemis and Persephone instead of Hestia. I remember telling my mom she had to be Demeter for halloween one year so I could be Persephone. I also apparently told my mom that I was gonna marry Artemis but when I was informed tbat she had a group of huntresses that didn't marry, I decided I'd join her. So, Idk how i didn't figure out I'm bi sooner too lol
A lonely god daydreaming a daughter into existence because he misses his wife is 1: fucking rad 2: a pretty believable origin story for a Greek God props to this kids imagination
It also mirrors Athena. Athena was physically born from Zeuses head, while Mesperyian was thought into existence by Hades. Someone needs to make a Hades mod/fangame about Mesperyian.
@@josephjarosch8739 Athena wasn’t daydreamed into existence tho? The only reason she was born was because Zeus basically vored Metis after screwing her, she did the whole shapeshifting thing that the gods and titans and stuff are so good at, took up residence in his head in a permanent advisory role, and used his body’s resources to make the armour that Athena sprang out of his head in thanks to a handy dandy bonk from Hephaestus
@@josephjarosch8739, you got it a little wrong. She was the daughter of Zeus and Metis, a goddess of wisdom. Accoding to a prophesy the child would be as wise as Zeus if it was a girl, and as powerful as him if it was a boy. Because of this he swallowed Metis. Eventually he got a headache and in the end Hephaistos had to crack his forhead, and Athene jumped out, ready for battle.
Mespyrian has to be the least thought through name for a Greek goddess. "Αφροδιτη" literally means the one who dove from foam, because she was born in a waves foam on the shores of Cyprus. Mespyrian is a Latin name for an exotic fruit at best.
@@mypurrrecious Eh? I was personally referencing how scientists sometimes name plants and animals after pop culture references. Mespyrian would honestly work pretty well as a stealth reference for those in the know, as a small inside joke
Honestly my favourite thing about the Mesperyian origin story is the gold comb "picking up the heat of the sun" because gold doesn't conduct heat.... the Grand Palace in Thailand is covered in gold tiles and it's literally a gimmick now to get tourists to touch the tiles because how metal not get hot in sun :o
Gold _does_ conduct heat; it's literally one of the best heat conductors in existance. The reason gold feels cold to the touch is because it's conducting heat away from your body. You know how the message of this entire video is basically how you should google things before saying them? Yeah...
This annoys me a lot, because there's already Eris - goddess of strife and discord. And dammit, she started the whole fight over the apple in the first place!
@@Nexe215 Nemesis is goddess of revenge and retribution. Oizys can also work as shes the greek goddess of suffering and her roman name is Miseria which is where we got the word misery from.
ive been on there since 2014 iirc and every time i can never tell if posts i remember from back then were real or just a fever dream or smthn lmao. doesnt help that its REALLY hard to find them unless they blow up or you remember the exact wording. half the time i see a tumblr heritage post or a video like this, im just like "WAIT THAT WAS REAL???" lmfap
Sometimes I’ll mention something to one of my younger friends and I realize that this thing I’m mentioning was further back than I thought it was and also the person I’m talking to was like 10 when it happened and I just feel old and realize I’ve been here too long
I've been here for like a month at most and it is worse in the way of the awful search function, but better in the fact that there are no ads every two seconds and It's kind of just a ton of people vibing
I mean my two big issues with this are 1. She’s redundant, we already have Nemesis and the Furies and if you want edgy evil hot goddess, there’s Eris. It’s a little shitty to erase them by replacing them with this angsty new OC. 2. Stuff like this is why tracking mythohistory and researching on the internet is so hard. It’s just irresponsible to claim things like this as real when all it’s going to do is make someone writing their thesis a little more stressed than they already were.
Just jumping in to say that the original creator of Mesperyian was likely just a kid having fun, not setting out to rewrite Hellenistic canon. At this point Mesperyian is more of a meme, you know, with one half leaning into her being TOTALLY SUPER REAL (sarcasm), and the other half using Mesperyian as a shorthand for made up pagan/fanfic nonsense. When you google "mesperyian" the first couple results that come are people going "nah, this is fake", so I don't really think someone seriously researching a thesis would be like "oh wow, look a tumblr post about this cool seeming goddess, I bet that's totally legit." Who uses tumblr for serious research? Mesperyian isn't really replacing any other goddesses because a large part of her appeal is her absolutely wild backstory, ie. being a poorly written fanfiction creation that briefly got mistaken for a real greek myth.
Like “born from thought and imagination out of Hades loneliness. Beautiful and graceful, worshiped by mortals as being on par with Aphrodite, which she notoriously didn’t like. Aphrodite uses some magic goddess shenanigans, maybe employs the help of Apollo, to permanently maim her so she wouldn’t be beautiful anymore. Feeling wronged, she goes on a rampage and becomes the goddess of revenge.” That’s some classic Greek myth shit right there. But her reimagining herself a new body? Killing random people? Halloween (which is a holiday related to an entirely different culture with its own gods associated with the holiday)?
Most associated with Judgement Day and Halloween?! Wait, hold the fuck up, you're getting your Christianity and Gaelic Irish paganism in my Greek mythology!
I still see people taking the piss out of Lancelot for being an OC, but it's usually done for fun rather than actual dislike. Galahad on the other hand, I see people genuinely dunking on. "My OC is Lancelot's bastard son who is the bestest sword fighter in Camelot (Even though that's Lancelot's title) who is better than King Arthur and claimed the Holy Grail. What? Percival is supposed to be the only person capable of claiming the Grail since he's impossibly pure of heart? No sorry, Galahad is even more pure-hearted even though being a handholdless virgin is literally the focal point of Percival's character."
“Give me the poison, Meg”? I might be super off on this but wasn’t there an actual Meg in Greek mythology who married Heracles and killed him by putting hydra poison on her cloth.
This reminds me of a made-up mythological deities in a gay relationship here in the Philippines. Bulan and Sidapa really made rounds around the internet and many people legitimately thought it was real until someone decided to dig a little deeper and found out that Bulan, Sidapa, and their relationship has little to no historical backing nor any reliable source to its existence.
I think it makes it more believable. These gods have been adopted and and adapted by many cultures. The way Mespyrian is described she could be another name for Eros or Discord.
Making up a new Greek god or goddess and designing them/giving attributes/coming up with a backstory was literally an assignment I had in fifth grade lol glad to see this sort of thing is so widespread
@@leandrosanchez1212 God I wish I remember more details, but he basically educated ignorant people? Something like that. I also think his color pallet was purple and blue. I wish I still had the paper she gave us to write their info on, it was 5 years ago now I believe. I think I was in 8th grade
the thing is, she's an oc and she's valid in that, but she's literally replacing Nemesis, goddes of revenge and the Erinyes, deitied of vengace, this was such a mess lol
I promise you, Mesperyian is not replacing anyone. She was made up by someone seemingly for fun, and basically everyone knows she's fake. She isn't replacing real, original greek myths, she is coexisting with them, just like how Western movies coexist with the real history of the wild west.
The idea that the only reason that she can burn is Hades not envisioning her skin as fire resistant really makes one wonder either in how vivid detail Hades' idea of her must have come to him or what else he left out.
Never have I seen a TH-cam notification with a title that interested me that much. My brain went “yeah that makes sense” and “what the frick” at the same time.
whyd you have to go and make things so complicated? i see the way youre acting like youre somebody else. gets me frustrated. simply admit that i am the funniest and greatest and sm*rtest and coolest and strongest yout*ber of all time! admit it, dear leia
@@AxxLAfriku You are always such an enigma to me everytime I come across you. Are you an internet troll? Are you just delusional? Are you a bot? I can't figure it out
I guess my only argument against claiming Mysperyan as a "real" Greek goddess is how it muddles things from a historic context. Can you imagine if someone tried claiming their Native Lakota diety OC was just a valid to the culture as Aŋpo! I mean, this is still a real culture that they are attempting to retcon. Have as much fun with the character as you want, and absolutely claim them as a personal deity, because whatever, but don't try and say it has validity in the cultural context.
On the other hand... it's literally how every deity started? Like, the cultural significance exists but the myths aren't more real just because they're from a minority culture. It's still reality fanfiction by confused ancients. Why are their fanfics more valid?
@@PosthumanHeresy to start, they are more valid to the cultural history because the myths and legends shaped the way people lived. Again, muddying the history of a culture to insert your fanfiction doesn't assist in the understanding of the culture, both modern and ancient. Furthermore, this is still a culture that exists, and choosing to insert yourself as a arbiter of someone else heritage is pretty rude. Sure, make a fanfic, but don't assert that said fanfic is relative to the original culture.
@@PosthumanHeresy Because they're not creating gods for a modern, new community, they're trying to claim a god exists in an ancient pantheon which muddles already murky waters. If you're not ancient greek you can't really invent in ancient greece, can you?
@@kakunikat Wait, if only the folks who were born in an area can be a part of a faith, how is it even remotely logical to claim it's true? That doesn't make any sense unless you just straight up proclaim that your deities are ethnonationalists and if so... fuck em. Otherwise, logically you want everyone to join up. That's what believing you're correct means. You can't go "my religion is true but you're banned from being a part of it" without the implicit statement "you were born damned and thus should remain damned".
@@PosthumanHeresy I think the point you are missing is that this leads to historical disparity. It's not a matter of ethnicity, it's a matter of history and understanding and respecting the history of a culture. I also want to point out that you're making a lot of illogical leaps in your arguments. Nothing I've said so far had anything to do with any gods I do or do not believe in and everything to do with academia and historic preservation.
I think it's cool to create an OC goddess. BUT I disagree with the argument, that all myths were made up that way. Because for the ancient greeks, gods and goddesses weren't just characters, they were real in the sense that they were an embodiment of the things which the people encountered in daily life. They were a part of their lives. It's a bit different way of thinking from the people of today. That's why I think you can't just make up a deity and put it in an already existing religious system. But just as an OC and nothing more - cool :D
hey, this "fake" goddess is, after all, a manifestation of teen angst, a thing as real as storms, love, and war. Like i don't necessarily think Mesperyan should be added to the greek pantheon or anything but, if her story resonates with people, who are we to say that "she isn't real"? No gods are "real" in the physical way and all ways that make Greek gods "real" are applicable to Mesperyan too. You can argue that perhaps what makes them count is the fact that they were made by Greeks or Romans, which fair enough I guess but I don't see how that makes a god exist more or less. You can also argue that what makes them count is a system of worship involving country wide stuff or en masse stuff. But honestly that would mean any Greek god is no longer real. Idk idk
That's not real. That's just being wrong with extra steps. Those things work in a specific way. Explaining them other ways is just being wrong about them. Reality doesn't shift because you believe it works differently.
So... Has anyone pointed out that, based on when she was first conceived, she's almost certainly called "Mysperian" because the author just took the word "MySpace" and tried to make it look "Greek-ish"?
Somehow Odysseus still has more Self insert OC vibes. "Yeah and he's the smartest soldier ever, and he's a king, and he is best friends with athene, and all the women love him, and the king of Phaecia wants Odysseus as his son, and he kills all the 40 people trying to bang his wife." Okay homer. Also fun actual ancient oc fact, people think that the phaecian bard Demodocus is an actual self insert, and Demodocus is one of the chief pieces of evidence as to homer being maybe blind.
@@rumpelstiltskin1121 Our classics class in college got a video with a bunch of claccisists wishing us look for the future, including Emily Wilson, can attest she is a lovely person and I have heard nothing but great things about her version, seems fascinating.
I remember seeing this post in 2015 and thinking "no?????? This is fake???" gave me a mini identity crisis for a few seconds because if she was actually real that would mean that i missed an entire helenic god.(and also...it would mean that my school didn't do its job properly) But after some quick research it was an edgy oc.
Mesperyan is a goddess of torture, a daughter of the Gods most ancient Greeks fear, and half her face was burned off. So she's just Hel, but in ancient Greece. Baller name for any concept of a deity, but that's how original we can get for a torture/punishment Greek god? Really? Why not make it a product of not cool things done to Persephone by a nymph. The anger of Persephone and Hades manifesting into a literal child of punishment, and she perpetually looks ready for battle. She could be worshipped by the Spartans because war. There. Done. More aligned with the ancient stories of how weird shit happens and comes to be.
The thing I really don’t like about this concept is it just makes a new goddess to do what the furies already do, and the furies are cool as fuck so I resent any attention being taken from them
The Erinyes or Furies would be pretty close, their origin stories are multiple and weird. Also Nemesis who punished those who showed hubris. Originally hubris also included what we would now call domestic violence, sexual assault and bullying, unmanly (it was generally men) and unacceptable social behaviour. Nowadays we only remember the use of hubris meaning proudly insulting the gods because that is what the big stories are about. If you beat or raped a woman or slave or used your strength against those who were weaker than you, Nemesis would be invoked.
@@ShadaOfAllThings no Hel is a true god. Her father was an Aesir and she is too, she's just goddess of the dead for all that don't get picked by Odin and Freya and not a god of punishment. Odin isn't flawless, but he's not a bad God either. He's just a god of knowledge and trickery and sometimes is seen as the opposite of Loki because the futhark for Odin inverted is sometimes seen as the rune of Loki. EDIT: WHOOPS MIXED UP TRUE AND TORTURE
Exactly. And even if it wasn't the case, it's still so disrespectful to think that you can just hijack someone else's culture like this. Too many people forget that these gods and goddesses are a part of the greek cultural heritage and not just characters from some book or TV show.
I think it’s inaccurate to call it greek paganism as that implies a continuous lineage from ancient Greece to the modern day. Greek paganism died out and was fully replaced by Christianity. Modern day Greek “paganism” should more accurately be called “Greek neo-paganism”. Also, anyone find it ironic that pagans identify by a pejorative label given to them by Christians?
the question was “which goddess is KNOWN for being the most beautiful” not “which goddess is the most beautiful” tumblr people will find any excuse to be edgy
Both of these are utterly valid pop culture pagan religions, should either of you have made your statement with any sincerity, and if not, I apologize for my aneristic habits. Have a cookie cat 2🍪3
There's a valid point in that this is how mythology begins but at the same time you can't just add a God to an established religion based off what seems, to me, to be a "make up a Greek goddess" high school English project. Especially when people do still worship those gods.
It may just be the English teacher in me, but like... I really wanted to give that original author a sticker for their work. So creative for what seems to be a short little school project. Hades pining so much he astrally projected a child into being is cute, and her being burned jealously by Aphrodite for her beauty seems pretty legit.
Oh, until like half-way through I really liked the Godess-Story. Like, an underground nature-loving godess - the godess of mushrooms. Absolutely worth a fanfic.
Yeah I was okay with it then it really lost the thread after the face burning thing. Suddenly she's evil ? And suddenly judgement day ? And wings ? And Christian symbolism ? Not in my mythological OC nuh huh.
@@Limonenmixgetraenk 100% I reject any events after the face burning. That's just a pejorative glamorized and inaccurate recreation of the true events.
The thing that sticks out to me is,, wasn't Persephone the more ruthless of her and Hades? I do love that some people were like "sounds sick I'll worship you
Sort of, I guess. Hades just didn’t really care, nor did he understand the concept of morality or consequences for actions (evident by Persephone herself). All of the punishment in Hades was taken care of by the Furies; Hades was just the “final decision” on where a soul would go. But Persephone wasn’t necessarily malicious. She was the one that convinced Hades to allow Orpheus to lead Eurydice out of Asphodel. Her morality is dependent on the situation/story.
@mattuwu hades did understand morality. the greeks just hated women, so zeus (who is persephone's dad) marrying off persephone to hades was completely fine.
I mean a guy once try to kidnap Persephone from the underworld and he trap him in a chair with snakes and had the harpies torture him for eternity. So I would say he is pretty ruthless.
@@artemiswolf4508 true but from what I've seen that's one of the only times he was doing something purposely to hurt and punish at least when compared to his brothers track records lol
as a greek i could immediately tell mesperyian was made up solely by the name 😭 in greece there's a whole separate -pretty major- school subject for greek mythology (mostly the odyssey, the iliad and antigone; each having its own subject for about a year throughout middle/highschool, in that order) and it's always been and still is, by far, my favourite subject and yet i still occasionally come across greek gods that i've never even heard of before *however* not a single greek name ends in an/ian lol maybe "mesperia" (Μεσπερία perhaps...?) could pass as a greek name though 🤔 also it would probably have to be spelled as Μεσπερυίαν/Μεσπέρυιαν in greek and the diphthong-ish "υι" only exists in like 2-3 words and is very much not a thing otherwise haha
@@artemisfowldragon Underworld, hmmm...I'm not sure of any chthonic gods or goddesses in the greek pantheon considered specifically gods of punishment.
Every generation of edgy teens eventually ends up vindicated by history. The smartest thing to do is to just speedrun it and support them because they're gonna turn out to have always been right anyways. Remember when emo was the edgy kid thing? Before that it was rap. Rap was the edgy kid thing two rounds ago. Before that it was metal and violent video games. Before that it was friggin rock music and violent movies.
Did you not see the person who wholeheartedly claims to be her, and goes on rants about misinformation about "her" and that her and Aphrodite are dating now? I'm disappointed you didn't go into that 😭😭
Not gonna lie, it would have been funny as hell if Mespyrian ended up in the Percy Jackson canon. Just further spreading the lie on an enormous scale. My new chb oc is actually the daughter of Mespyrian now, she can control darkness and has shadow wings that come out when she’s angry.
Idea: Percy Jackson fanfic where a new demigod comes to Camp Half-Blood _insisting_ they must be a child of Mesperyian, and no one knows how to tell them.
"Led to Hades and Persephone's canon kids being erased." What canon kids? The only one I can think of is Zagreus and he's basically not real either. It's entirely possible that his name is just a different version of Dionysus, who has multiple versions of his original myth being raised in the underworld by Persephone, so Zagreus probably doesn't exist.
Some Texts mention the erinyes as their Daughters, though I don't Buy that One. However, there are also Macaria, the goddess of peaceful death and possible guardian of Elysium and Melinoe, the goddess of ghosts and Nightmares. She ja only mentioned in orphic hymns, in which Zeus and Hades are Seen as the same God. (And in one version, Zeus disguised himself as Hades, so that's probably a reason to why she isn't mentioned that often.) Because of that, she's often said to be Zeus' and Persephones daughter, but you could still argue, that Hades accepted her as his child. Zagreus is a actually the same Thing. He exists in the orphic hymns as a son of Persephone and Zeus/Hades. So Yes, Hades has Canon Children. They're just overlooked very often and a Bit hard to find.
@@Kiki-vc1xo So from what I can find, the first mention of Makria comes from a text written in 10th century Byzantium by a Christian author. Melinoe is described in one of the Orphic hymns as the daughter of ZEUS and Persephone, and is basically the only mention I can find of her in my extremely short research period. Thank you for your comment though! I had basically only heard those names in passing before now and never paid much attention to them.
@@devil3678 There is no canon. That's not how religions work in general, and it's _especially_ not how the religion in question worked. (That being said, there's a difference between "there is no Greek-mythology canon" and "modern people can just make up new Greek gods.")
@@blarg2429 You're right, of course there is no canon, I just tried to reply to you that way, because you asked about canon children. Technically, the correct answer would then be that we don't even know if Hades was a seperate god or just a version of Zeus because there are sources listing him as that. But I think we can aree upon some standarts like the twelfe main gods and all of that.
Okay, but like I have a friend named Sarah Renee and hearing her name associated with a fanfiction Greek goddess gave me the biggest whiplash. I'm like 99.9% certain it's not her, but now I'm tempted to ask just to check.
I love "gossiping beauty" that's hilarious. I'm sure they meant gossamer, or ethereal. But gossiping beauty sounds just so funny, and conjured the image of like bits of her body, face and hair just constantly talking to each other and making up fake drama about this beautiful being and anyone or anything else that amuses them. So like she's her own Greek chorus, wherever she goes her hair is streaming after her saying "gasp! Isn't she beautiful? I know right? Did you hear about the time she totally slew that satyr that was so rude?" Or whatever the ancient Greek/whatpad equivalent would be. Self love and finger snaps.
I like that! Personally, I kind of interpreted it as "gossip-inspiring beauty." Like, the kind of beauty that everyone's talking about. It isn't inherently the Greek chorus, but it turns any ordinary person, animal, or thing into a Greek chorus member. But yeah, they probably meant gossamer.
19:12 that is such an accurate, understanding, and sweet way to explain this phenomena. i, too, was an edgy teenage girl who lived in roleplays, fanfiction, and daydreams. its escapism where you're completely in control over the narrative and you can be what ever you want or need to be with the approval/awe of those around you. people shouldn't be bullied for their cringe art/fanfic/roleplays. they're probably going through it and this is what they need to be happy. be nicer to people
As someone part of pagan tumblr/witchblr, a small part of me dies when I remember this whole fiasco. Still to this day I sometimes see younger witches on tumblr reference this “goddess” and I cringe. Witchblr discourse is…special to put it kindly.
As a religious studies MA student and a fiction writer I’m just like “respect actual ancient pantheons” and also at the same time “make up shit but be clear you’re making it up”. Also like if you grew up in the US in the mid-00s you probably got taught Greek mythology in English class and you’d probably know that she wasn’t historical imo but also I remember seeing this post and going “huh cool” and promptly forgetting about it
I agree! My only problems with the character are that many people who discussed her in those old posts weren't very transparent about the fact that she was a modern creation, and also that she was tacked onto a pre-existing ancient culture's beliefs. It's kinda disrespectful imo, but I hold no hatred for anyone involved.
There have been other Tumblr posts with concepts for gods and goddesses but its clear there new things/oc's/friction. Those ones are rather cool to be hinest.
the character is such a good idea. and the writting is SO adolescent, and I love it. I'm a high school teacher, it do be like that, be patient, they are learning, I think the person that wrote the story is very creative and interesting, but she needs someone to guide her.
i think in the post about “goddess of tumblr,” the “not real” part is meant to reference fandom ships not being real yet people fighting over them like they are real 😂 for real tho, mesperyian would have been my absolute jam in like 6th grade right next to my twilight phase lmao
Everyone being like "its the same bc its a myth!" the difference is.. many people believed the greek gods were real (or at least I assume so.) People who like the new wacky greek goddess is someone who says "its not real but I enjoy it" you can enjoy her,, but it doesnt make her the same level as the others-
Persephone lives with Hades during the Summer nor the winter. Summer was the drought season in Ancient Greece while the winter was the rainy season. Meaning the season when plants would wither would be the summer not the winter. This is because many greek myths mirror things the Greeks observed in the real world. In the case of the Rape of Persephone the story mirrors the Grain Harvest. During the summer season the grain is stored in underground silos. In the autumn the fields are plowed. In the Winter the grain is planted. And in the Spring the Grain is harvested. In that same vein Persephone descends into underworld in the summer and ascends before the winter rains.
The author herself posted a few comments on 404 Tales youtube video about this, if anyone is curious about her take on this. Essentially, she had no idea this had taken off in popularity, she wrote the story as an assignment, and didn’t know until years later about the popularity.
The whole she’s a real goddess because that’s how myths work argument is so funny because like. There’s a huge difference between mythological and religious characters and stories naturally developing over hundreds of years and someone making an oc and people on tumblr dot hellsite thinking it’s real. Not to mention this all started literally over a thousand years after the original culture that believed in these gods dissipated, so is it REALLY a natural part of an evolving mythos if it’s so separated from the original culture it came from? (And before y’all get on my ass yeah I know there are modern day Hellenists but look me in the eyes and tell me that anyone who belongs to any faith would be okay with you making up a fake god and people thinking it’s real)
I think a fact people often miss in this story is that it’s also cultural appropriation. Idk, something about people making up their own Greek deities just seems iffy to me lmao.
After watching this video to its entirety, I’m certain that if I ever showed this to my Greek mythology professor, I’m pretty sure she would implode. Like, she’s as pure of a purist you can get when it comes to only sourcing direct translations of the Hellenistic period and before. I’m pretty sure she would tear her eyes out.
my memory of this is pretty hazy, but this reminds me of the time the fire emblem fandom accidentally invented a new norse or celtic god through a mistranslation of one of the japanese-only games, and it caught on with some other fantasy rpg series that also like to name their stuff after real life mythological figures
You have no idea how much I believed this for a short while!! Even after finding out it was fake, I still saw people in the tag trying to argue that she was totally valid and that you can add new goddesses to the Greek canon
honestly, i love how you end most of your videos, especially the ones that handle mainly harmless tumblr nonsense made mostly by young kids who r going thru it and are often made fun of for being emo and dramatic and stuff, by talking about how it was made by kids and kids do strange things sometimes to cope, and you don’t make fun of them it makes me really happy to see that from someone older than me, a former dramatic emo kid whos still going thru it lmao - i don’t think i’ve ever heard you call something cringe and i applaud that
me being greek born and raised makes logging into ao3 and finding fanfiction based on the mythology though in all greek elementary schools a very intriguing, funny and weird experience.
How does this even work? All Greek Gods are well-known and documented. You can't just add e.g. "Plymbonia, Greek Goddess of Big Breasts" to the list and expect people not to react with derisive laughter until they drop comatose from exhaustion
@RobotBlue maybe by 1%? It still wouldn't change the fact that Wikipedia alone is full of history and mythology nerds who documented everyone at least semi-divine in exhaustive detail. Someone trying the Norse equivalent of introducing "Ubersephone, Persephone's Evil Twin", would still get laughed at by everyone with a working brain.
The argument that Mesperyian is ‘just as real’ as any other god because they’re all fake is a bad argument. That’s like saying ‘Oppa homeless style’ is a real fake tumblr story because all of those stories were fake to begin with so who cares. The source is what makes it ‘real’ or not. Not saying people can’t have fun with it, just that it simply isn’t ‘as real’ as other gods
It's also a bad argument because gods aren't fake, period. Whether abstractions that describe reality or entities you can meet, or both, gods *exist*. And so can Mesperyian, but saying that she is real because she too is fake is... nonsense. Edit: Basically, the fake Tumblr stories are real stories and matter as stories. Just because they're fake doesn't mean they aren't real in some way too, though certainly not a literal way. They are fake Tumblr stories after all. Deities? Deities aren't fake Tumblr stories. They are deities. What that means? Uuuhnuhu. I have my answer but it isn't really an answer. It certainly means that they exist in the real way deities exist, and are thereby not fake. Whether as cultural relics, stories, thoughts, symbols, or more usually entities and people who exist but not like how we exist because they exist like how deities exist. Again. Whatever that really means. Consult your pineal gland.
Like you can claim her as a personal deity but there are people who believe in these gods and goddesses (myself included) so that’s just totally invalidating their religion
Saying “it’s literally so easily to Google” after giving incorrect information is the epitome of Tumblr culture.
this.
This needs to be pinned. Not just tumblr, but every social media site.
*internet culture sadly 😔
net zero information
All social media is the embodiment of "source: myself" 😂
Gotta say, having an OC be mistaken for canon is the definition of making it. But the concept of your GREEK MYTHOLOGY OC making it is insane
I know, especially how popular Greek mythology that at some point someone would go "let me do some research about this, oh they're just an oc" but nope
Something similar happened with Norse mythology and fire emblem. Someone went and added a bow supposedly wielded by Odin named Ichaival to the Wikipedia page for mythical items and it stayed there undisturbed for years before people realized it had never been referenced at all until the release of Fire Emblem Thracia 776 in 1999.
I hope that in 500 years she just fully blends into the rest of the mythos.
@@Boltothemage It's even more hilarious when you realize Gungnir was said to be so well balanced anyone wielding it could hit any target. Unless it has some kind of different purpose the bow would be redundant or inferior to Gungnir.
@@irradiated_woman8016 that's kinda how mythology works when you think about it hahaha
"he took on depression" is sending me it sounds like hes picking up a new hobby like wow ive been feeling so lonely lately i think ill take on depression to pass the time
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All I could think of for like 80% of the story was: "Oh, so she's Snow White." Seriously, the perfect daughter, shaped by her parent's imagination, the most beautiful of beauties, to the point of enraging a relative who was previously the most beautiful, who then uses *specifically a cursed comb* to attack the girl while she's unprotected - Snow White, through and through.
The difference, of course, is that Snow White survives the comb, requiring another two attempts to take down, whereas Mesperyian gets one-hit KO'd and promptly turns into the Phantom of the Opera.
*Metal.*
I was sitting here like “I know I’ve read a story with a poisoned comb.” This is literally an alternate version of Snow White
I want a film about Snow White where she becomes the Phantom of the Opera. Those edgy fairy tale reboots really let us down.
@@merrittanimation7721 OMG F--- bad Cinderella, gimme some of this!! 😂
@@merrittanimation7721
Yes! An actually creative edgy fairytale retelling!
Edgy Snow White can actually work, being one of those “I waited for so long but no one came for me now I put my fate into my own hand” characters. It would be very much like twisted Fiona from Shrek.
The storyline of "Hades made a tulpa because he was down bad, then Aphrodite got so mad about it that she did an arson attack" is one of the most Classical Mythology things I can imagine.
Based Aphrodite.
Unironically yeah
Actually sounds it'd be a mythos
The anachronism in this comment is just delightful!
What I really enjoyed about the original short story is how the grammar and coherence slowly but steadily degraded the further it got. The last few lines are basically a word salad.
Tbh I was already convinced it was a school project but now you point that out that's the nail in the coffin, does this not sound exactly like it was written by some poor 14 year old who'd procrastinated their assignment until the night before and then had to rush to get it done while gradually becoming more and more sleep deprived and unenthusiastic the closer they got to being done
I thought it was gonna become another hand door man hook car door
@@lilylohmann614 i was LITERALLY about to comment this same thing XDD
Yeah exactly! That’s why it definitely felt like a high school project, where the person was very excited about them idea and had ambitious plans but then they put it away and suddenly the deadline was creeping up so they rushed it.
no literally it reads was really invested in the beginning but rushing in the end
love a greek goddess who is tied to "Judgement Day" and "Halloween"
Yeah yeah With wings like "demons"
Kali: "Am I a joke to you?"
For real xD
@@echoplots8058Ah yes, the hindu mother goddess of GREEK mythology
My two favorite movies
The funniest part of this thing is that Ancient Greece had a deity of punishment and revenge. Her name is Nemesis and she is specifically, goddess of those fitting symbolic punishments that appear a lot in Greek myths
Homegirl really wasn't a fan of Hubris
Also Orcus, god of punishment in the underworld.
I guess Nemesis didn't sound as cool as the other name 🤷
Also, let's not forget the Erynies (I have no idea how to spell it in English)
Also, Halloween, in the sense that it is known now, was not a thing in Ancient Greece. I've found a great video about it and its roots but it's in greek, I don't know how many people watching this video will be able to watch the other one
@@ScorpionFlower95 Erinyes, or you can just call them The Furies.
@@ScorpionFlower95 I mean, Halloween is literally a Christian holiday so like, Ancient Greeks wouldn't have any frame of reference for it anyway.
Here I thought this was about the Goddess of safety O'Sha, who can be summoned by wearing proper PPE and following safety protocol.
Joke still hits even 2 years later. Absolute comedic genius
Ah yes, the only goddess I truly follow lol
As a classics student I can say the assignment to make a fake Greek god is SUPER common in 100 levels and a lot of the more Online people in my year posted theirs to different fanfic websites. Also, neopagan tumblr is a swamp of misinfo PLEASE look at actual ancient sources 😭 I’ve literally written two papers on how bad tumblr dark academia and pagan “information” on classics is
Edit: this is hilarious tho I’m gonna write a paper on her
I would read those papers, no joke, I love this kind of discussion about faux-mythology and how it affects culture
Would love to read either of those papers. They sound super interesting!
Adding a third request for reading this paper
It's so convenient how paganism is always whatever these Tumblr kids want it to be 💀
Writing a 4th request kind sir!
When you notice Mesperyian has the same backstory as Jeff the Killer.
this calls for an Internet Historian reading
HELP
if you consider the mask thing she also is very similar to Jane the Killer holy shit
The Phantom of the Olympics.
wait ik i’m uncultured what’s jeff’s backstory lmao
The mesperyian kinnie commenting on mesperyian posts with "i exist sweetie" is such peak Tumblr i couldnt help but laugh
This kind of thing is very much infesting tiktok atm, kind of scared of the tumblr renaissance happening on there. Anxiously awaiting the fypcon ballpit
@@NathanOhsure "fypcon" is a now slur, don't ask me about the logic or specifics
@@NathanOhsure i feel like it will probably be better this time around now that the world is less attached to cringe culture
@@NathanOhsure Not to sound deep, but this is just human nature. People repeat history over and over again because there are some things that a portion of people will never understand unless they experience it for themselves. It’s why every generation of (typically white Western) children has that inexplicable urge to reinvent the wheel over and over again because there is no greater high than believing you’re unique and bigger brain than stinky adults 🤢
I joined tumblr my junior year of high school ~2013 but kept to myself with anime and manga and whatnot. I was autistic and still a bit weird but damn, Tumblr users were something else in those days. Just off-the-wall weird and hugbox-y and passive aggressive sparkles.
Sorry for this long comment, but one more thing. It is difficult to convey to kids that what they’re doing is no different than what we did growing up because again, they think they’re discovering plutonium or some shit. They do need to work out these (definitely not new) ideas of theirs, but the question remains “How can we allow them to grow and understand without allowing their shitty ideas to harm others?” Ideas like ace discourse, race, and other issues that they weren’t cognizant enough to understand when WE had them. I don’t know the solution, tbh, because it’s seen as a bad look to be calling out ignorant, self-absorbed 14 year olds since “they’ll grow out of it”. But in the meantime, won’t their stupid ideas be hurting their peers? Idk..
@@talynhastime9343 The irony of "this is just human nature" two sentences before "it's white Western children"...
One girl in our mythology class asked if we would talk about Mesperyian, I still feel second hand embarrassment for her
I'm glad I graduated before this
Omg, nooooo xDD
Hell yeah, modern myths! I’d love to talk about that!
@@icewinerose1718 no she actually thought she was an ancient Greek goddess, not a Tumblr myth
@@basementdwellercosplay Perhaps. But it still could be a springboard to discuss other things. I would hope we could make mistakes in a classroom and walk out learning things and not humiliated.
If this new goddess can envision wings and a new hand for herself and they become reality, why couldn't she just...envision herself back to how she was before she got burned?
Presumably the scar has some kind of metaphysical component of it making it an unchangeable part of her being.
Two words: magic comb.
Bad writing.
Well if you wanna justify the story
You could say that she wouldn't want to change that parts keep them because they are an essential part of her
But probably because the author was likely kinda young
The erasure of Irish culture with Halloween is what got me 💀
thats not irish culture thats just catholocism😭😭😭
"Her skin is not immortal to fire" Is the funniest shit I've ever heard
reads like an ai wrote it
That's an actual plot point of Hades tho. (The indie game from 2020). Zag (a child of Hades) is only fire resistant, not fire proof.
And that’s why she never went out. Because she might catch fire you know
@@zexionthefirst6767 I'd like to imagine that Supergiant got ideas for Hades from a Tumblr post
Also, it is pretty weaksauce power for a Greek God, as far as I know they are all immune to fire and can only be burned by Helios himself
"feeling the randomest today, might turn into a bull"- Zeus
For the geek gods, consent is a social construct and they do not live in a society.
@@astrisperspecto4130 "geek" LMAO
And since then every male writer has thought that women want something in the size of a bull's ;)
@@Raztiana What?
@@SidVacant69, just a joke about some men's crazy idea about what women want men to be equiped with.
This OC is pretty much: "What if Hela, but Nemesis?"
You said Hela unironically, canceled.
….hela is a norse goddess
can’t tell if you were joking or not
Yes, I know Hela/Hel is Norse. She is also often drawn with half of her face as dead, although there's evidence that she was "Half-dead" from the waist down and not biffurcated. The character is obviously alluding to Hela/Hel, who is *also* a Goddess associated with a bad death, hence the joke. 😅
@@paigek7172 they’re saying the OC is as if though they took the characteristics of the Norse goddess Hel and combined it with the Greek goddess nemesis. It’s a joke.
@@paigek7172 Hel is a norse goddess, Hela is the Marvel Comics version because they didn't want to give a character a name that sounds like Hell
I can't wait for the day when we learn that Mespyrian was created by Tara Gilesbie.
I wonder if she ever met Ebony Darkness Dementia Ravenway. They were probably best friends
The only problem with Mesperyian is that it sounds less like a proper name, and more like an apellative, meaning "from the region of Mesperia" or "descendant of Mesper/Mespera", but even those names don't sound properly greek, unless we change them to Mespiros/Mespira. So yeah, it would be more probable to find evidence of a goddess or divinity who was called Mespira, rather than "Mesperyian".
Imagine the look on a Roman or Greek's face when asked to conjugate 'Mesperian'
Maybe she was named after the Pokemon mesprit
@meralmary2795 do you mind if I use the more "greek" versions of the name in something im working on?
Fire emblem fans accidentally did this once with Norse mythology. A character named after a Norse god had a named bow that was in fact not in the original myths but someone added it to Wikipedia and it stayed for so long it’s appeared in other video games in relation to the Norse god the bow is associated with
What deity is this?
Ichaival actually has a more complex mythological origin. The Norse god of archery Ullr lives at Ýdalir, which translates to “yew dales”, as yew wood was used in bow-making. In Japanese, the word for the yew tree is *ichii*, and Ýdalir translates to *ichii-no-tani*. The English name “Yewfelle” reflects this.
Came here to comment this exact thing LMAO. I think we have Tumblr beat on this one, personally. 😜
iconic fire emblem clown moment tbh
A similar example is how Japan in general thinks the Irish god Lugh had a spear called "Brionac", when it in fact had no basis in reality and was named after a made-up fact for a JRPG.
The most beautiful Greek goddess has to be Hestia. Who doesn't love a toasty warm fire in their hearth?
@@honkstheclown8631 I did something similar as a kid but with Artemis and Persephone instead of Hestia. I remember telling my mom she had to be Demeter for halloween one year so I could be Persephone. I also apparently told my mom that I was gonna marry Artemis but when I was informed tbat she had a group of huntresses that didn't marry, I decided I'd join her. So, Idk how i didn't figure out I'm bi sooner too lol
best part is shes just. default kind and good. she just wants nice things for you.
@@ItsAllNunya Too right. With most of the other Greek gods, you don't want them to take an interest in you.
Yes!!! Thank you for the hestia appreciation, hestia is so overlooked but she's such a cool goddess
She is the chillest of all the gods by far. No pun intended 🔥
A lonely god daydreaming a daughter into existence because he misses his wife is
1: fucking rad
2: a pretty believable origin story for a Greek God
props to this kids imagination
It also mirrors Athena. Athena was physically born from Zeuses head, while Mesperyian was thought into existence by Hades.
Someone needs to make a Hades mod/fangame about Mesperyian.
@@josephjarosch8739 Athena wasn’t daydreamed into existence tho? The only reason she was born was because Zeus basically vored Metis after screwing her, she did the whole shapeshifting thing that the gods and titans and stuff are so good at, took up residence in his head in a permanent advisory role, and used his body’s resources to make the armour that Athena sprang out of his head in thanks to a handy dandy bonk from Hephaestus
@@josephjarosch8739, you got it a little wrong. She was the daughter of Zeus and Metis, a goddess of wisdom. Accoding to a prophesy the child would be as wise as Zeus if it was a girl, and as powerful as him if it was a boy.
Because of this he swallowed Metis. Eventually he got a headache and in the end Hephaistos had to crack his forhead, and Athene jumped out, ready for battle.
honeslty "daydreaming a kid that looks like you and your gf" is probably one of the normal ways gods have kids in the greek mythology
@@yonicorn1641 it really isn't
Mespyrian has to be the least thought through name for a Greek goddess. "Αφροδιτη" literally means the one who dove from foam, because she was born in a waves foam on the shores of Cyprus. Mespyrian is a Latin name for an exotic fruit at best.
I will remember this if I discover a new exotic fruit tree and get to name it. Much like the Crikey steveirwini.
Do you have even an inkling of how blatantly anti-Armenian and racist that statement is?!
@@mypurrrecious Eh? I was personally referencing how scientists sometimes name plants and animals after pop culture references. Mespyrian would honestly work pretty well as a stealth reference for those in the know, as a small inside joke
@@inkuii it's my name, "Latin name for an exotic fruit at best" is extremely racist
@@mypurrrecious The robots are madlib-ing like whoa
Honestly my favourite thing about the Mesperyian origin story is the gold comb "picking up the heat of the sun" because gold doesn't conduct heat.... the Grand Palace in Thailand is covered in gold tiles and it's literally a gimmick now to get tourists to touch the tiles because how metal not get hot in sun :o
Gold _does_ conduct heat; it's literally one of the best heat conductors in existance. The reason gold feels cold to the touch is because it's conducting heat away from your body. You know how the message of this entire video is basically how you should google things before saying them? Yeah...
This annoys me a lot, because there's already Eris - goddess of strife and discord. And dammit, she started the whole fight over the apple in the first place!
You're so right!
Everyone blames Aphrodite but no one blames Eris 😔
@@AlderTheSwirl LITERALLY THE GODDESS OF BITCHFIGHTS AND ERRBODY JUST IGNORES HER LIKE PLS TUMBLR READ A BOOK
@@Nexe215 Nemesis is goddess of revenge and retribution. Oizys can also work as shes the greek goddess of suffering and her roman name is Miseria which is where we got the word misery from.
@@Nexe215 nah don’t be upset. I just don’t have enough people to talk to about Greek mythology so any given chance I’ll start sprouting on about it.
Tumblr history is my absolute fave, I’ve stuck it out on that blue hellsite since 2012 and there’s truly nothing quite like it
i like your shoelaces
@@agirlcalledmist thanks i stole them from the president
ive been on there since 2014 iirc and every time i can never tell if posts i remember from back then were real or just a fever dream or smthn lmao. doesnt help that its REALLY hard to find them unless they blow up or you remember the exact wording. half the time i see a tumblr heritage post or a video like this, im just like "WAIT THAT WAS REAL???" lmfap
Sometimes I’ll mention something to one of my younger friends and I realize that this thing I’m mentioning was further back than I thought it was and also the person I’m talking to was like 10 when it happened and I just feel old and realize I’ve been here too long
I've been here for like a month at most and it is worse in the way of the awful search function, but better in the fact that there are no ads every two seconds and It's kind of just a ton of people vibing
At this point she is ABSOLUTELY the goddess of Tumblr and you can't change my mind
Hopefully someone actually draws accurate fanart now that this video will make her more famous
@@vwts she deserves that. Plus I need to see someone accurately cosplay her
@@vwts if I ever fricken finish what I'm working on rn I will absolutely draw her
Mesperyan, goddess of torture, punishment and Tumblr
Well, clearly Tumblr is a punishment in of itself so that tracks
I mean my two big issues with this are 1. She’s redundant, we already have Nemesis and the Furies and if you want edgy evil hot goddess, there’s Eris. It’s a little shitty to erase them by replacing them with this angsty new OC. 2. Stuff like this is why tracking mythohistory and researching on the internet is so hard. It’s just irresponsible to claim things like this as real when all it’s going to do is make someone writing their thesis a little more stressed than they already were.
Her story with Aphrodite is also redundant with Psyche's story
Just jumping in to say that the original creator of Mesperyian was likely just a kid having fun, not setting out to rewrite Hellenistic canon. At this point Mesperyian is more of a meme, you know, with one half leaning into her being TOTALLY SUPER REAL (sarcasm), and the other half using Mesperyian as a shorthand for made up pagan/fanfic nonsense. When you google "mesperyian" the first couple results that come are people going "nah, this is fake", so I don't really think someone seriously researching a thesis would be like "oh wow, look a tumblr post about this cool seeming goddess, I bet that's totally legit." Who uses tumblr for serious research?
Mesperyian isn't really replacing any other goddesses because a large part of her appeal is her absolutely wild backstory, ie. being a poorly written fanfiction creation that briefly got mistaken for a real greek myth.
The first half of the story was pretty decent and believable as Greek mythology, but then it just DERAILED SO FAST
Like “born from thought and imagination out of Hades loneliness. Beautiful and graceful, worshiped by mortals as being on par with Aphrodite, which she notoriously didn’t like. Aphrodite uses some magic goddess shenanigans, maybe employs the help of Apollo, to permanently maim her so she wouldn’t be beautiful anymore. Feeling wronged, she goes on a rampage and becomes the goddess of revenge.”
That’s some classic Greek myth shit right there. But her reimagining herself a new body? Killing random people? Halloween (which is a holiday related to an entirely different culture with its own gods associated with the holiday)?
Most associated with Judgement Day and Halloween?! Wait, hold the fuck up, you're getting your Christianity and Gaelic Irish paganism in my Greek mythology!
I imagine this is how mad people got at Chrétien de Troyes when he inserted his OC Lancelot into Arthurian legend
I still see people taking the piss out of Lancelot for being an OC, but it's usually done for fun rather than actual dislike.
Galahad on the other hand, I see people genuinely dunking on.
"My OC is Lancelot's bastard son who is the bestest sword fighter in Camelot (Even though that's Lancelot's title) who is better than King Arthur and claimed the Holy Grail. What? Percival is supposed to be the only person capable of claiming the Grail since he's impossibly pure of heart? No sorry, Galahad is even more pure-hearted even though being a handholdless virgin is literally the focal point of Percival's character."
@@cingkrimson_requiem Galahad is such a Gary-Stu
Never before has a comment thread made me as happy as this one
@spine time every character is someone's oc
@@cingkrimson_requiem my name is Galahad Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way
Mesperyan is the patron goddess of all phantoms of the opera.
HAHAHA OMGOD THANK YOU FOR THIS REFERENCE can't believe I didn't catch it earlier
What's "Give Me the Gun, Meg" in Greek?
“Give me the poison, Meg”? I might be super off on this but wasn’t there an actual Meg in Greek mythology who married Heracles and killed him by putting hydra poison on her cloth.
@@cassiopeiathew7406 No, that was his second wife, Deianara. His first wife, Megara, he killed when Hera drove him insane.
@Tareltonlives oh ok, thank you for clarifying that
I can’t believe the Ancient Greeks invented Judgement Day and Halloween
This reminds me of a made-up mythological deities in a gay relationship here in the Philippines. Bulan and Sidapa really made rounds around the internet and many people legitimately thought it was real until someone decided to dig a little deeper and found out that Bulan, Sidapa, and their relationship has little to no historical backing nor any reliable source to its existence.
Mesperyian as a name honestly sounds closer to an Armenian last name than the name of a Greek Goddess.
LMAO as an Armenian I agree
Huh, neat
I think it makes it more believable. These gods have been adopted and and adapted by many cultures. The way Mespyrian is described she could be another name for Eros or Discord.
As a Greek i agree.
As a greek i could not agree more. Maespyrian sounds like anything other than Greek
Making up a new Greek god or goddess and designing them/giving attributes/coming up with a backstory was literally an assignment I had in fifth grade lol glad to see this sort of thing is so widespread
Same, honestly it's all I can think about watching this 😭✋ girl took the assignment a bit too far
Holy shit, I just rememberd I had the exact same assignment! Thank you for unlocking this memory 😄
what was your oc?
@@leandrosanchez1212 God I wish I remember more details, but he basically educated ignorant people? Something like that. I also think his color pallet was purple and blue. I wish I still had the paper she gave us to write their info on, it was 5 years ago now I believe. I think I was in 8th grade
@@jamyamosely4573 You made a teacher god in an attempt to flatter your own teacher into giving you a good grade? Clever
“She’s a real goddess this is how all myths start” pretty sure if its not an Ancient Greek/Roman that made it, it might just be a cool OC, no shade
Don't make me get a time machine.
She might not be a greek goddess but that is how most gods and goddesses are made
I mean there are still Greek and Italian people. lol And a Rome.
Human sacrifices would help, maybe? 😁
@@Sophia-vk5bq the key term is "ancient"
the thing is, she's an oc and she's valid in that, but she's literally replacing Nemesis, goddes of revenge and the Erinyes, deitied of vengace, this was such a mess lol
I promise you, Mesperyian is not replacing anyone. She was made up by someone seemingly for fun, and basically everyone knows she's fake. She isn't replacing real, original greek myths, she is coexisting with them, just like how Western movies coexist with the real history of the wild west.
The idea that the only reason that she can burn is Hades not envisioning her skin as fire resistant really makes one wonder either in how vivid detail Hades' idea of her must have come to him or what else he left out.
Never have I seen a TH-cam notification with a title that interested me that much. My brain went “yeah that makes sense” and “what the frick” at the same time.
whyd you have to go and make things so complicated? i see the way youre acting like youre somebody else. gets me frustrated. simply admit that i am the funniest and greatest and sm*rtest and coolest and strongest yout*ber of all time! admit it, dear leia
@@AxxLAfriku You are always such an enigma to me everytime I come across you. Are you an internet troll? Are you just delusional? Are you a bot? I can't figure it out
@@scoutman66 d) all of the above.
@@xavierpg9482 d)eez nuts
@AxxL What the ever god fuck is this commt istg
I guess my only argument against claiming Mysperyan as a "real" Greek goddess is how it muddles things from a historic context. Can you imagine if someone tried claiming their Native Lakota diety OC was just a valid to the culture as Aŋpo! I mean, this is still a real culture that they are attempting to retcon. Have as much fun with the character as you want, and absolutely claim them as a personal deity, because whatever, but don't try and say it has validity in the cultural context.
On the other hand... it's literally how every deity started? Like, the cultural significance exists but the myths aren't more real just because they're from a minority culture. It's still reality fanfiction by confused ancients. Why are their fanfics more valid?
@@PosthumanHeresy to start, they are more valid to the cultural history because the myths and legends shaped the way people lived. Again, muddying the history of a culture to insert your fanfiction doesn't assist in the understanding of the culture, both modern and ancient.
Furthermore, this is still a culture that exists, and choosing to insert yourself as a arbiter of someone else heritage is pretty rude. Sure, make a fanfic, but don't assert that said fanfic is relative to the original culture.
@@PosthumanHeresy Because they're not creating gods for a modern, new community, they're trying to claim a god exists in an ancient pantheon which muddles already murky waters.
If you're not ancient greek you can't really invent in ancient greece, can you?
@@kakunikat Wait, if only the folks who were born in an area can be a part of a faith, how is it even remotely logical to claim it's true? That doesn't make any sense unless you just straight up proclaim that your deities are ethnonationalists and if so... fuck em. Otherwise, logically you want everyone to join up. That's what believing you're correct means. You can't go "my religion is true but you're banned from being a part of it" without the implicit statement "you were born damned and thus should remain damned".
@@PosthumanHeresy I think the point you are missing is that this leads to historical disparity. It's not a matter of ethnicity, it's a matter of history and understanding and respecting the history of a culture.
I also want to point out that you're making a lot of illogical leaps in your arguments. Nothing I've said so far had anything to do with any gods I do or do not believe in and everything to do with academia and historic preservation.
I think it's cool to create an OC goddess. BUT I disagree with the argument, that all myths were made up that way. Because for the ancient greeks, gods and goddesses weren't just characters, they were real in the sense that they were an embodiment of the things which the people encountered in daily life. They were a part of their lives. It's a bit different way of thinking from the people of today. That's why I think you can't just make up a deity and put it in an already existing religious system. But just as an OC and nothing more - cool :D
I love studying religions because for me, gods are symbols and social phenomenons more than anything else. The stories are secondary.
Which is why people should just come up with their own pantheons instead of shitting all over existing ones.
hey, this "fake" goddess is, after all, a manifestation of teen angst, a thing as real as storms, love, and war. Like i don't necessarily think Mesperyan should be added to the greek pantheon or anything but, if her story resonates with people, who are we to say that "she isn't real"? No gods are "real" in the physical way and all ways that make Greek gods "real" are applicable to Mesperyan too.
You can argue that perhaps what makes them count is the fact that they were made by Greeks or Romans, which fair enough I guess but I don't see how that makes a god exist more or less.
You can also argue that what makes them count is a system of worship involving country wide stuff or en masse stuff. But honestly that would mean any Greek god is no longer real.
Idk idk
@@Someone-kg8cc Except that there's still people worshipping the Greek gods
That's not real. That's just being wrong with extra steps. Those things work in a specific way. Explaining them other ways is just being wrong about them. Reality doesn't shift because you believe it works differently.
Having a GODDESS OC be mistaken for an actual goddess is fucking insane😭😭
So... Has anyone pointed out that, based on when she was first conceived, she's almost certainly called "Mysperian" because the author just took the word "MySpace" and tried to make it look "Greek-ish"?
oh. my. god.
this comment shot and killed me dead, thanks
my favorite greek goddess, MySpace
@@l3vi._athanI dunno I hear Faezebuk is another popular Greek deity….
Probably not, her name is spelled MESperyian, which really isn't that close to Myspace.
Somehow Odysseus still has more Self insert OC vibes.
"Yeah and he's the smartest soldier ever, and he's a king, and he is best friends with athene, and all the women love him, and the king of Phaecia wants Odysseus as his son, and he kills all the 40 people trying to bang his wife."
Okay homer.
Also fun actual ancient oc fact, people think that the phaecian bard Demodocus is an actual self insert, and Demodocus is one of the chief pieces of evidence as to homer being maybe blind.
I need "okay, Homer" to be the new "okay, Boomer." I need it.
And Aeneas is totally the first fanfiction Mary Sue
i just tried to rb this help😭😭
i recommend reading Emily Wilson's translation of the oddessy to English because a lot of the men who did sortaaaaa fucked it up a bit
@@rumpelstiltskin1121 Our classics class in college got a video with a bunch of claccisists wishing us look for the future, including Emily Wilson, can attest she is a lovely person and I have heard nothing but great things about her version, seems fascinating.
I remember seeing this post in 2015 and thinking "no?????? This is fake???" gave me a mini identity crisis for a few seconds because if she was actually real that would mean that i missed an entire helenic god.(and also...it would mean that my school didn't do its job properly) But after some quick research it was an edgy oc.
Aren't we all edgy ocs in a sense?
@@blarg2429 yes we are
@@blarg2429 holy shit! I want a shirt that says "edgy oc" on it now!
@@raven_moonshine39 front: Edgy OC
back: you're/I'm one of them!
@@raven_moonshine39 man so do I, now that you mention it.
Mesperyan is a goddess of torture, a daughter of the Gods most ancient Greeks fear, and half her face was burned off.
So she's just Hel, but in ancient Greece.
Baller name for any concept of a deity, but that's how original we can get for a torture/punishment Greek god? Really?
Why not make it a product of not cool things done to Persephone by a nymph. The anger of Persephone and Hades manifesting into a literal child of punishment, and she perpetually looks ready for battle. She could be worshipped by the Spartans because war. There. Done. More aligned with the ancient stories of how weird shit happens and comes to be.
Hel isn't a torture goddess, if anything Odin is the torture god in that pantheon
The thing I really don’t like about this concept is it just makes a new goddess to do what the furies already do, and the furies are cool as fuck so I resent any attention being taken from them
The Erinyes or Furies would be pretty close, their origin stories are multiple and weird. Also Nemesis who punished those who showed hubris. Originally hubris also included what we would now call domestic violence, sexual assault and bullying, unmanly (it was generally men) and unacceptable social behaviour. Nowadays we only remember the use of hubris meaning proudly insulting the gods because that is what the big stories are about. If you beat or raped a woman or slave or used your strength against those who were weaker than you, Nemesis would be invoked.
@@alicethemad1613 didn't remember the furies and thought you were talking about furries
@@ShadaOfAllThings no Hel is a true god. Her father was an Aesir and she is too, she's just goddess of the dead for all that don't get picked by Odin and Freya and not a god of punishment.
Odin isn't flawless, but he's not a bad God either. He's just a god of knowledge and trickery and sometimes is seen as the opposite of Loki because the futhark for Odin inverted is sometimes seen as the rune of Loki.
EDIT: WHOOPS MIXED UP TRUE AND TORTURE
the way so many people forget Greek paganism is still a practiced religion.
Exactly. And even if it wasn't the case, it's still so disrespectful to think that you can just hijack someone else's culture like this. Too many people forget that these gods and goddesses are a part of the greek cultural heritage and not just characters from some book or TV show.
@@alinashirinian2485 ^^^ Yeah. it's sad to see Greek culture so heavily erased and mocked.
I think it’s inaccurate to call it greek paganism as that implies a continuous lineage from ancient Greece to the modern day. Greek paganism died out and was fully replaced by Christianity. Modern day Greek “paganism” should more accurately be called “Greek neo-paganism”. Also, anyone find it ironic that pagans identify by a pejorative label given to them by Christians?
@@heilmodrhinnheimski You're not a real OG Greek pagan unless you sacrifice animals to the gods
@@raisedredlantern4095 fr fr that’s literally the most important ritual of Greek pagan religion
Mespyrian's story being the origin of Halloween is hilarious, given that Samhain originated from a people that the Romans conquered.
Just when I think that you’ve gone through all the gayest haircuts, you get a gayer one. Amazing!
This isn’t even her final form!
I wasn’t present for the extra interesting tumblr era but these videos help me better understand the lives of my internet ancestors
ditto
….an…cestors…
I’mma hop into a grave now….
I was there for November 5 2020 and I think that's all I need in my life
@@esteicy98 what happened? I have a fairly old account but I’m hardly on there so I miss a lot lol.
Tumblr: Creates a greek goddess
Teya: BUT *RANDOMEST??????*
Well, sometimes you just zero in on the most randomest part of a story. Happens to the bestestes of us.
If she can imagine wings and a claw onto her, can’t she just imagine her scars healing to make them heal?
the question was “which goddess is KNOWN for being the most beautiful” not “which goddess is the most beautiful” tumblr people will find any excuse to be edgy
Yeah, welcome to tumblr where reading comprehension is not a requirement.
Yeah, but the original poster of that was just making a funny little Trojan war joke, I don't think they were actually real upset.
Strange Aeons looks like she would be perfect to cosplay Marnie from Pokemon Sword
Holy shit you're right
Canadian Marnie
As opposed to Marnie from Pokemon Shield, who is extremely different. ;)
That would be adorable
@@blarg2429 Nobody picked shield
Pretty sure Greek mythology has the whole ass pantheon of gods to punish mortals, do we really need another
I would like to announce here the inauguration of the church of Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven way, my one and only saviour.
HERETIC! The truth is in the church of *Enoby* Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way.
Both of these are utterly valid pop culture pagan religions, should either of you have made your statement with any sincerity, and if not, I apologize for my aneristic habits. Have a cookie cat 2🍪3
There's a valid point in that this is how mythology begins but at the same time you can't just add a God to an established religion based off what seems, to me, to be a "make up a Greek goddess" high school English project. Especially when people do still worship those gods.
It may just be the English teacher in me, but like... I really wanted to give that original author a sticker for their work. So creative for what seems to be a short little school project. Hades pining so much he astrally projected a child into being is cute, and her being burned jealously by Aphrodite for her beauty seems pretty legit.
Oh, until like half-way through I really liked the Godess-Story. Like, an underground nature-loving godess - the godess of mushrooms. Absolutely worth a fanfic.
Yeah I was okay with it then it really lost the thread after the face burning thing. Suddenly she's evil ? And suddenly judgement day ? And wings ? And Christian symbolism ? Not in my mythological OC nuh huh.
@@ArturGlass.C So, we are agreed that there was a schism in the religion and we only follow pre-turning-evil Mesperyian, not like those heretics.
@@Limonenmixgetraenk 100% I reject any events after the face burning. That's just a pejorative glamorized and inaccurate recreation of the true events.
@@ArturGlass.C the Christians got to her myth like how they made Odin God and Loki Satan
Queen of the mushrooms!!
The thing that sticks out to me is,, wasn't Persephone the more ruthless of her and Hades?
I do love that some people were like "sounds sick I'll worship you
Sort of, I guess. Hades just didn’t really care, nor did he understand the concept of morality or consequences for actions (evident by Persephone herself). All of the punishment in Hades was taken care of by the Furies; Hades was just the “final decision” on where a soul would go.
But Persephone wasn’t necessarily malicious. She was the one that convinced Hades to allow Orpheus to lead Eurydice out of Asphodel. Her morality is dependent on the situation/story.
@mattuwu
hades did understand morality.
the greeks just hated women, so zeus (who is persephone's dad) marrying off persephone to hades was completely fine.
I mean a guy once try to kidnap Persephone from the underworld and he trap him in a chair with snakes and had the harpies torture him for eternity. So I would say he is pretty ruthless.
@@artemiswolf4508 true but from what I've seen that's one of the only times he was doing something purposely to hurt and punish at least when compared to his brothers track records lol
@@mattuwu9978 I mean, many mortals knew her as "Dread Persephone" & feared the hell out of her
we need you to get on the girl defined podcast, idc how
I'd sell my soul for that to happen
The WHAT
@@arby327 I'm so sorry for introducing you to this
I WOULD SACRIFICE MY LIMBS FOR THAT
i’d sell my spine for this to happen
as a greek i could immediately tell mesperyian was made up solely by the name 😭 in greece there's a whole separate -pretty major- school subject for greek mythology (mostly the odyssey, the iliad and antigone; each having its own subject for about a year throughout middle/highschool, in that order) and it's always been and still is, by far, my favourite subject and yet i still occasionally come across greek gods that i've never even heard of before *however* not a single greek name ends in an/ian lol maybe "mesperia" (Μεσπερία perhaps...?) could pass as a greek name though 🤔
also it would probably have to be spelled as Μεσπερυίαν/Μεσπέρυιαν in greek and the diphthong-ish "υι" only exists in like 2-3 words and is very much not a thing otherwise haha
can we talk about how “mesperyian” doesn’t even sound like a greek goddess name
Sounds like some sort of fungus
"Tumblr invented a Goddess of torture" The Erinyes would like to have a word, 'cause eventhough they're not gods, it's kinda their thing
Not to mention that there’s already a god of torture… I think? I might be thinking in Roman mythology, but isn’t Orcus the god of punishment?
@@artemisfowldragon Nemesis, I believe, is the Greek goddess of vengence and retribution.
@@arizonagreenbee I meant specifically in the underworld
@@artemisfowldragon Underworld, hmmm...I'm not sure of any chthonic gods or goddesses in the greek pantheon considered specifically gods of punishment.
@@artemisfowldragon Orcus was a Roman and Etruscan god of the underworld who punished broken oaths. He had a Greek equivalent in the form of Horkos
I didn't expect to get so into "edgy teen" lore at 26, but here we are, and I'm loving it
Every generation of edgy teens eventually ends up vindicated by history. The smartest thing to do is to just speedrun it and support them because they're gonna turn out to have always been right anyways. Remember when emo was the edgy kid thing? Before that it was rap. Rap was the edgy kid thing two rounds ago. Before that it was metal and violent video games. Before that it was friggin rock music and violent movies.
@@PosthumanHeresy very true
Did you not see the person who wholeheartedly claims to be her, and goes on rants about misinformation about "her" and that her and Aphrodite are dating now? I'm disappointed you didn't go into that 😭😭
It’s an RP blog, they don’t unironically believe they are her.
Why in the goddamn fuck would this character date the culprit behind her Tragic Backstory™?!
@@blarg2429 honestly, not out of line for Tumblr culture
@@dragonheart1236 I suppose you're not wrong.
@DragonHeart 12 or greek mythology
Not gonna lie, it would have been funny as hell if Mespyrian ended up in the Percy Jackson canon. Just further spreading the lie on an enormous scale. My new chb oc is actually the daughter of Mespyrian now, she can control darkness and has shadow wings that come out when she’s angry.
Idea: Percy Jackson fanfic where a new demigod comes to Camp Half-Blood _insisting_ they must be a child of Mesperyian, and no one knows how to tell them.
"Led to Hades and Persephone's canon kids being erased."
What canon kids? The only one I can think of is Zagreus and he's basically not real either. It's entirely possible that his name is just a different version of Dionysus, who has multiple versions of his original myth being raised in the underworld by Persephone, so Zagreus probably doesn't exist.
Some Texts mention the erinyes as their Daughters, though I don't Buy that One. However, there are also Macaria, the goddess of peaceful death and possible guardian of Elysium and Melinoe, the goddess of ghosts and Nightmares. She ja only mentioned in orphic hymns, in which Zeus and Hades are Seen as the same God. (And in one version, Zeus disguised himself as Hades, so that's probably a reason to why she isn't mentioned that often.) Because of that, she's often said to be Zeus' and Persephones daughter, but you could still argue, that Hades accepted her as his child. Zagreus is a actually the same Thing. He exists in the orphic hymns as a son of Persephone and Zeus/Hades.
So Yes, Hades has Canon Children. They're just overlooked very often and a Bit hard to find.
@@Kiki-vc1xo So from what I can find, the first mention of Makria comes from a text written in 10th century Byzantium by a Christian author.
Melinoe is described in one of the Orphic hymns as the daughter of ZEUS and Persephone, and is basically the only mention I can find of her in my extremely short research period.
Thank you for your comment though! I had basically only heard those names in passing before now and never paid much attention to them.
That doesnt mean Zagreus doesnt exist. Since theres no "canon"
@@devil3678 There is no canon. That's not how religions work in general, and it's _especially_ not how the religion in question worked. (That being said, there's a difference between "there is no Greek-mythology canon" and "modern people can just make up new Greek gods.")
@@blarg2429 You're right, of course there is no canon, I just tried to reply to you that way, because you asked about canon children. Technically, the correct answer would then be that we don't even know if Hades was a seperate god or just a version of Zeus because there are sources listing him as that. But I think we can aree upon some standarts like the twelfe main gods and all of that.
Okay, but like I have a friend named Sarah Renee and hearing her name associated with a fanfiction Greek goddess gave me the biggest whiplash. I'm like 99.9% certain it's not her, but now I'm tempted to ask just to check.
We totally need a update. Did you ask? Was it her?
like the reply above me: did you ask? was it her?
Was it her tho?
I must know, was it her?
I love "gossiping beauty" that's hilarious. I'm sure they meant gossamer, or ethereal.
But gossiping beauty sounds just so funny, and conjured the image of like bits of her body, face and hair just constantly talking to each other and making up fake drama about this beautiful being and anyone or anything else that amuses them. So like she's her own Greek chorus, wherever she goes her hair is streaming after her saying "gasp! Isn't she beautiful? I know right? Did you hear about the time she totally slew that satyr that was so rude?" Or whatever the ancient Greek/whatpad equivalent would be. Self love and finger snaps.
I like that! Personally, I kind of interpreted it as "gossip-inspiring beauty." Like, the kind of beauty that everyone's talking about. It isn't inherently the Greek chorus, but it turns any ordinary person, animal, or thing into a Greek chorus member.
But yeah, they probably meant gossamer.
19:12 that is such an accurate, understanding, and sweet way to explain this phenomena. i, too, was an edgy teenage girl who lived in roleplays, fanfiction, and daydreams. its escapism where you're completely in control over the narrative and you can be what ever you want or need to be with the approval/awe of those around you. people shouldn't be bullied for their cringe art/fanfic/roleplays. they're probably going through it and this is what they need to be happy. be nicer to people
As someone part of pagan tumblr/witchblr, a small part of me dies when I remember this whole fiasco. Still to this day I sometimes see younger witches on tumblr reference this “goddess” and I cringe. Witchblr discourse is…special to put it kindly.
As a religious studies MA student and a fiction writer I’m just like “respect actual ancient pantheons” and also at the same time “make up shit but be clear you’re making it up”. Also like if you grew up in the US in the mid-00s you probably got taught Greek mythology in English class and you’d probably know that she wasn’t historical imo but also I remember seeing this post and going “huh cool” and promptly forgetting about it
I agree! My only problems with the character are that many people who discussed her in those old posts weren't very transparent about the fact that she was a modern creation, and also that she was tacked onto a pre-existing ancient culture's beliefs. It's kinda disrespectful imo, but I hold no hatred for anyone involved.
There have been other Tumblr posts with concepts for gods and goddesses but its clear there new things/oc's/friction. Those ones are rather cool to be hinest.
They still teach Greek mythology in American public high school English classes
I remember helping my sister with a project like this. She made a goddess of texting or communication.
was she a daughter of Hermes? That woulda been sick
Maybe the real Mesperyian were the friends we made along the way
the character is such a good idea. and the writting is SO adolescent, and I love it. I'm a high school teacher, it do be like that, be patient, they are learning, I think the person that wrote the story is very creative and interesting, but she needs someone to guide her.
As an old person I never realized how much better the internet is with a youth to explain it to me. 10/10.
Same. I had no idea this was a thing. And now I do.
i was not personally on tumblr but the history- it has L A Y E R S
i think in the post about “goddess of tumblr,” the “not real” part is meant to reference fandom ships not being real yet people fighting over them like they are real 😂
for real tho, mesperyian would have been my absolute jam in like 6th grade right next to my twilight phase lmao
Everyone being like "its the same bc its a myth!" the difference is.. many people believed the greek gods were real (or at least I assume so.) People who like the new wacky greek goddess is someone who says "its not real but I enjoy it" you can enjoy her,, but it doesnt make her the same level as the others-
I love that I only knew that she isn't a real greek goddess because one time I looked her up when I was making an OC daughter of DISNEY HADES ☠️
Persephone lives with Hades during the Summer nor the winter. Summer was the drought season in Ancient Greece while the winter was the rainy season. Meaning the season when plants would wither would be the summer not the winter.
This is because many greek myths mirror things the Greeks observed in the real world. In the case of the Rape of Persephone the story mirrors the Grain Harvest.
During the summer season the grain is stored in underground silos. In the autumn the fields are plowed. In the Winter the grain is planted. And in the Spring the Grain is harvested. In that same vein Persephone descends into underworld in the summer and ascends before the winter rains.
Dashcon 2 will include a worship service where we all worship Mysperion
I'll hold you to this
I love the "we don't have time to unpack all that" moments in these deep dives
The author herself posted a few comments on 404 Tales youtube video about this, if anyone is curious about her take on this. Essentially, she had no idea this had taken off in popularity, she wrote the story as an assignment, and didn’t know until years later about the popularity.
The whole she’s a real goddess because that’s how myths work argument is so funny because like. There’s a huge difference between mythological and religious characters and stories naturally developing over hundreds of years and someone making an oc and people on tumblr dot hellsite thinking it’s real. Not to mention this all started literally over a thousand years after the original culture that believed in these gods dissipated, so is it REALLY a natural part of an evolving mythos if it’s so separated from the original culture it came from? (And before y’all get on my ass yeah I know there are modern day Hellenists but look me in the eyes and tell me that anyone who belongs to any faith would be okay with you making up a fake god and people thinking it’s real)
I think a fact people often miss in this story is that it’s also cultural appropriation. Idk, something about people making up their own Greek deities just seems iffy to me lmao.
After watching this video to its entirety, I’m certain that if I ever showed this to my Greek mythology professor, I’m pretty sure she would implode.
Like, she’s as pure of a purist you can get when it comes to only sourcing direct translations of the Hellenistic period and before. I’m pretty sure she would tear her eyes out.
my memory of this is pretty hazy, but this reminds me of the time the fire emblem fandom accidentally invented a new norse or celtic god through a mistranslation of one of the japanese-only games, and it caught on with some other fantasy rpg series that also like to name their stuff after real life mythological figures
You have no idea how much I believed this for a short while!! Even after finding out it was fake, I still saw people in the tag trying to argue that she was totally valid and that you can add new goddesses to the Greek canon
I mean that'd be such a power move lmao. Just adding in a greek deity to the canon
Adding a deity to a religion that's been dead for literally thousands of years is both hilarious and sad.
@@vsGoliath96 It's not dead.
@@the_sky_is_blue_and_so_am_I It very much is
@@vsGoliath96 Neo-pagans do still worship the Greco-Roman pantheon.
honestly, i love how you end most of your videos, especially the ones that handle mainly harmless tumblr nonsense made mostly by young kids who r going thru it and are often made fun of for being emo and dramatic and stuff, by talking about how it was made by kids and kids do strange things sometimes to cope, and you don’t make fun of them it makes me really happy to see that from someone older than me, a former dramatic emo kid whos still going thru it lmao - i don’t think i’ve ever heard you call something cringe and i applaud that
got a notif and came back to see and WOW this is incoherent but my point still stands dkdjfj
Honestly, a goddess of "torture and punishment" is a pretty good fit for Tumblr.
I'm 100% stealing and adding Mesperyian to my DND pantheon
Loviatar wants to have a word with you.
I implore you to find better source material.
me being greek born and raised makes logging into ao3 and finding fanfiction based on the mythology though in all greek elementary schools a very intriguing, funny and weird experience.
I remember hearing about this once
Praise the Bingus
How does this even work? All Greek Gods are well-known and documented. You can't just add e.g. "Plymbonia, Greek Goddess of Big Breasts" to the list and expect people not to react with derisive laughter until they drop comatose from exhaustion
plymbonia goddess of massive badonkahonks
plymbonia goddess of massive badonkahonks
@RobotBlue maybe by 1%? It still wouldn't change the fact that Wikipedia alone is full of history and mythology nerds who documented everyone at least semi-divine in exhaustive detail. Someone trying the Norse equivalent of introducing "Ubersephone, Persephone's Evil Twin", would still get laughed at by everyone with a working brain.
The argument that Mesperyian is ‘just as real’ as any other god because they’re all fake is a bad argument. That’s like saying ‘Oppa homeless style’ is a real fake tumblr story because all of those stories were fake to begin with so who cares. The source is what makes it ‘real’ or not. Not saying people can’t have fun with it, just that it simply isn’t ‘as real’ as other gods
It's also a bad argument because gods aren't fake, period. Whether abstractions that describe reality or entities you can meet, or both, gods *exist*. And so can Mesperyian, but saying that she is real because she too is fake is... nonsense.
Edit: Basically, the fake Tumblr stories are real stories and matter as stories. Just because they're fake doesn't mean they aren't real in some way too, though certainly not a literal way. They are fake Tumblr stories after all. Deities? Deities aren't fake Tumblr stories. They are deities. What that means? Uuuhnuhu. I have my answer but it isn't really an answer. It certainly means that they exist in the real way deities exist, and are thereby not fake. Whether as cultural relics, stories, thoughts, symbols, or more usually entities and people who exist but not like how we exist because they exist like how deities exist. Again. Whatever that really means. Consult your pineal gland.
Also Hellenic polytheists exist 💀
As a Hellenic polytheist, yeah it just invalidates ppls religion and is just a bit rude 😭
Like you can claim her as a personal deity but there are people who believe in these gods and goddesses (myself included) so that’s just totally invalidating their religion
@@user-hanging-at-the-hanged-manI'm pretty sure they in fact do not. I'm quite sure ancient Hellenistic religious traditions are long extinct.