Going Bald or Maturing Hairline? (What You Need to Know) | Greg Berzinsky

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  • @nateconley.6209
    @nateconley.6209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2617

    If a lion became a person this is exactly what it'd look like.

    • @gaminglegend
      @gaminglegend 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Except the hair would be blonde, not grey

    • @Appalachianhorrorshow0428
      @Appalachianhorrorshow0428 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Nah bro that was James hetfield in 89-93

    • @laurelllobo5297
      @laurelllobo5297 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      wtf did i just read lol

    • @rossl5908
      @rossl5908 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Get him to do a wee roar in his next video

    • @leosolis5846
      @leosolis5846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If a lion became a human it wouldn't be a lion

  • @mimoochodom2684
    @mimoochodom2684 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1736

    Could we possibly get a hairier guy talking about hairloss?

    • @JimboJones2022
      @JimboJones2022 4 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      It's adding insult to injury lol.

    • @Baldoxxx4000
      @Baldoxxx4000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      it attracts attention whether they have a condition or not, and most likely they dont.

    • @googo151
      @googo151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      SERIOUSLY!

    • @tw5991
      @tw5991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      He is the 5% lol we are the 95%

    • @mimoochodom2684
      @mimoochodom2684 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tw5991 Mate he's just taking the piss.

  • @yashsarpotdar9171
    @yashsarpotdar9171 4 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    I think his intros should be -
    "Hello this is Zeus for beardbrand alliance".

  • @jadelee6555
    @jadelee6555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +562

    This man looks like Santa's hotter brother

    • @freshbeats6683
      @freshbeats6683 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      😂😂lol

    • @RBZ06LT6
      @RBZ06LT6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You think that looks hot?

    • @quinicft2137
      @quinicft2137 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He looks like Jesus brother

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This comment should be on top.

    • @Matty002
      @Matty002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      this is entirely dependent on what your santa looks like
      for example, santa in the gay world is always hot af

  • @ConservativeCoinCollector
    @ConservativeCoinCollector 4 ปีที่แล้ว +894

    That's the one thing you don't need to worry about, Greg.

    • @Samuel-cu2xd
      @Samuel-cu2xd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Defenetly he would be a great kratos

    • @dman_games
      @dman_games 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Samuel I believe you misunderstood his comment in the most opposite way

    • @LASMONN
      @LASMONN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha ikr

    • @greenlamp9219
      @greenlamp9219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      lmao ikr? so rich him giving advice on how bald men should cope when he has really fantastic hair. guys like these dude are utterly clueless

    • @bozotheclown169
      @bozotheclown169 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@greenlamp9219 it makes him feel happy. like a rich guy talking about being poor lol

  • @somedude1295
    @somedude1295 4 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Man I kinda really wanna Greg cosplay as Geralt from the Witcher, I can only imagine how good he would look

  • @themons513
    @themons513 4 ปีที่แล้ว +315

    Shaved my head bald at the ridiculously young age of 16 due to severe thinning and an inevitable bald patch to follow. I'm 27 now and my friends are all paranoid about their thinning hair, meanwhile I haven't aged in around 11 years hahahah. Best decision I ever made was to get it off and get on with my life.

    • @Shanaoh
      @Shanaoh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Did you go completely bald and does your head still have hair growth ? I can’t imagine how much of a pain in the ass it would be to shave your head every single day.

    • @XanVicious
      @XanVicious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Shanaoh it's not everyday lol, I doubt he shaves it everyday. I'd say probably once a week.

    • @XanVicious
      @XanVicious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Shanaoh I fortunately have a full head of hair tho, I haven't shaven it in over a decade. Way too paranoid now since I'm in my early 20s lol.

    • @Shanaoh
      @Shanaoh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@XanVicious I can relate to that. I'm not bald as well, just paranoid. Hope my full head of hair lasts, though I'm not counting on it cuz my dad and grand dad were bald.

    • @bradycurtis2129
      @bradycurtis2129 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yet you're here watching a video about hairloss..? I think, actually I know, that you actually still care very much.

  • @cheapypeepy9150
    @cheapypeepy9150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    I'm 27 and I like having a mature hairline but I'm very worried about it going further. My family has a mixture of good and bad hair genes so that adds to my uncertainty

    • @atifaboobecker7752
      @atifaboobecker7752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Well looks like we're on the same boat

    • @cyprianovv
      @cyprianovv 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      exactlyyy

    • @sora9369
      @sora9369 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @cheapypeepy9150 how did it go?

  • @theworldisfuckedupatm3398
    @theworldisfuckedupatm3398 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    If i end up with hair like Mr.Berzinsky I would be happy.
    Hope we all end ip keeping our hair or at less get a majestic beard if we end up losing it

  • @diablohorer
    @diablohorer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I would give up so much to look like this man when I'm older.
    He looks like a majestic wizard

  • @kyledore2489
    @kyledore2489 4 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    Lost my hair when I was 17 or so. Shaved my head every day for the past 10 years. Best advice is to just shave it, grow out a beard and/or go to the gym and get jacked.

    • @gintokisakata3703
      @gintokisakata3703 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      How was it when you were 17? Im 17 and My hair is thick and curly af and have small amount of thinning on hairline and I'm like NW 1.5-2

    • @leftanutstainonyourcouch.5196
      @leftanutstainonyourcouch.5196 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Fr how was it? I’m 15 about to turn 16 and my hair sorta wavy but I feel like a have a big forehead

    • @kyledore2489
      @kyledore2489 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      When i was 15 I had a widows peak that went quite high. By the time I turned 17 I had a noticeably receding hairline.

    • @eliasflores777777777
      @eliasflores777777777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kyle Dore same bro

    • @eliasflores777777777
      @eliasflores777777777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kyle Dore im 21 now

  • @mattbortz10
    @mattbortz10 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm 34 and had such great hair growing up, thick and curly. In past 5 years in particular, I lost a lot of hair due to male pattern baldness, or genes. I was so afraid of buzzing or shaving my head, after I did it, it was such a relief. Not a big deal, if you're afraid to do it, just do it and see how it looks!

  • @thomasreed181
    @thomasreed181 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You know what I would like to see. A conversation about men who were able to regrow their hair, if possible, and what they did to do it.
    Every time I see a new video from Greg I learn something I never knew. 95%! I never would have thought that.

  • @Akash_Xavier_Rai
    @Akash_Xavier_Rai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    This felt like Zeus talking to me. "Son accept you are hair loss!"

    • @Akash_Xavier_Rai
      @Akash_Xavier_Rai 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@prathmeshmahurkar1575 Sab takle Jama Kar Baitain huwe hai bhai.

  • @BerzinskyRules
    @BerzinskyRules 4 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    WARNING! Extreme close-ups....enter at your own risk!

    • @matthewmisleh4622
      @matthewmisleh4622 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lots of balding / bald men in their twenties like me! Would love to see the channel add both fashion and beard style tips that fit that look!

    • @taintedlife2618
      @taintedlife2618 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Matthew Misleh yes I agree. We aren’t left with many options. I need something to frame my face but my beard it’s too particularly dense and I find I look younger with a relatively short beard.

    • @justingyi4702
      @justingyi4702 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      mesmerizing hair!

  • @fsxaviator
    @fsxaviator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I'm in my mid twenties and my hairline matured out of nowhere like a year ago, I thought for sure I'll be bald soon but that example you gave of your father gives me some hope! Really hoping it just recedes and stops.

    • @souljayeni
      @souljayeni 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How’s the hairline now man?

    • @fsxaviator
      @fsxaviator 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@souljayenihaha that's crazy I totally forgot about this, it literally did exactly that lol. It definitely receded noticeably back before I made that comment but it hasn't changed much over the last couple years. Hair in the front is maybe a tiny bit thinner but the hairline is holding on lol

    • @souljayeni
      @souljayeni 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fsxaviator that’s good to hear lol, thanks for replying!

    • @Hunter-m5t
      @Hunter-m5t 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@souljayeni i think i have a mature hairline to because it had a time my forhead was big and i when i went to schol someone said my forhead look big and when i look in the mirror my forhead was big i thought i was going bald but nah it just maturing iam 14 to

    • @Eurocoo
      @Eurocoo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hunter-m5t mature hairline is barely ever something that happens that early in age. It’s more likely that’s just your natural hairline and you’ll further recede to your mature hairline in early 20s or late teens

  • @EricBandholz
    @EricBandholz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Very informative video. Thanks for dropping all these knowledge bombs.

  • @test-id6cz
    @test-id6cz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    You can fight hairloss, dont give up if you really care about your hair. Finasteride and minoxidl do wonders

  • @TravWhiteStyle
    @TravWhiteStyle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video Greg!

  • @omgurheadsgone
    @omgurheadsgone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Did you just say Jon Hamm is more famous then Leonardo Dicaprio

    • @26lekent
      @26lekent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      More famous for having a mature hairline

  • @moose6459
    @moose6459 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    While I love listening to Greg’s glorious voice as much as the next guy. This video would work better with someone experiencing balding

    • @thedeadlygames9716
      @thedeadlygames9716 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @hokage father of Boruto yeah I think the one that should of made this video was Eric because he was thinning on his crown not to long ago. But I think he treated it with rogaine.

    • @sethcollins5536
      @sethcollins5536 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Jeff if he was still kicking around beard brand

  • @mifster83
    @mifster83 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    3:58 I didnt know that the difference between a norwood 2 and 3 is not about the receding tempels but the hair in between, seems like same tempel recension

  • @thorbeorn4295
    @thorbeorn4295 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    This was without a doubt my biggest insecurity all through my 20's as I started balding at around 18 - 19. I'm 30 now and finally accept that I am a bald guy, and I actually like it.

    • @luim3637
      @luim3637 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      My best friend started losing his hair at 18 and I always used to poke fun of him, it was all In jest, but thinking back I realize how cruel it was. Hair is one of those things you only appreciate it until you lose it. When you have hair going bald doesn’t seem like a bad idea.

    • @theopenmindedtruthseeker9747
      @theopenmindedtruthseeker9747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Judging by your profile pic, you look great honestly.

    • @j.j.4150
      @j.j.4150 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you 'actually' liked it, you wouldn't be one of those going around with a cap all the time 😂

    • @GuestingGameplays
      @GuestingGameplays ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@j.j.4150 You do have a point, well honestly omo the problem isnt the haircut, as bald with beard has been a great style and also the buzz cut for exemple that got quite famous a time ago, its more about the hairline itself and the insecurity that comes within as it came in such early times. I dont know how ppl who had to deal with this in their hs or early twenties feels but I can only and definitely sympathize with them.

    • @bunjier4041
      @bunjier4041 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't lie, you don't like it. You would probably trade anything to get your hair back because being bald adds a good 20 years to your age.

  • @manic6030
    @manic6030 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You made me look at old pictures of me, I have mostly the same hairline I had at 17, but at 35 I'm almost as grey as you are. When I had long hair (like you have) my forehead was more exposed due to hair loss. After 10-12 years of long hair I simply cut them (after watching many beardbrand videos I made the decision to change my look) then the hair I lost over time grew back!

    • @charlesjoseph7415
      @charlesjoseph7415 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At which age your hairline became mature and how old are you now

  • @shanesimpson4407
    @shanesimpson4407 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Growing my hair out long seemed to make my the hair at the top of my widows peak to pull and get pulled out. It looks like it’s growing back but it freaked me out. I got the classic Dracula thing going on. I’m 33 and my dad never went bald. But his dad was bald at 16. I’m one of those guys who are neurotic about going bald. Props to all the guys out there that go bald and rock it.

    • @parkasaurusrex
      @parkasaurusrex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Damn dude, same shit happened to me with the widows peak and growing my hair out past my shoulders. Thanks for the comment because I'm neurotic about the same thing.

    • @shanks8989
      @shanks8989 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@parkasaurusrex I have a slight widows peak, crrently growing out and my temples look like receeding a bit. Could it be my normal hairline? You experience the same?

  • @Banzai431
    @Banzai431 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm 47 and I still have my juvenile hairline. Definitely genetics since my father was very much that way as well.

  • @twinluis07
    @twinluis07 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Greg, you're totally a NW 1 !
    There are also safe treatments to help slow down balding, one doesn't just have to accept it !

  • @johnrickman-smith1822
    @johnrickman-smith1822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    For the last 8 years ive been telling myself im receiding im 27 and by your description ive had just had a mature hairline since i was 19 😅 so ive spent alot of time worrying about absoulutely nothing ... thank you your video has made me feel 110% better about my self.

    • @BreezeOG
      @BreezeOG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      and tbh the added stress of worrying isn’t helping lol

    • @jase123111
      @jase123111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Me too. I had a high hair line since I was kid!!! But the rest of my hair on my head is fine and no patchy or thinning areas and no bald spots. I never seen a lot of hair fall out on my pillow or in the shower either, and it grows really fast. I am 45 this year....and have a lot of grey though.

    • @dobatroba3903
      @dobatroba3903 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jase123111 im 23 and already have a lot of grey hair so it not a problem😌

    • @dobatroba3903
      @dobatroba3903 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thx for that comment cuz ive been stressed about my left side hair line seems to be receding even tho im not seeing a falling hair like u said and my other side hairline seems fine so i think it just maturing hair and i really need to stop worrying about it

    • @djswirley
      @djswirley 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe I have the same issue aswell then, I am 22 and this year I started to see my hairline has slightly receded a bit, but maybe it’s just the fact I am getting older so maybe it is receding but I just worry a lot because I don’t know if it’s going to carry on receding ?

  • @RightMindRealty
    @RightMindRealty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Definitely have a mature hairline, maybe pushing slight receding in the corners. Really appreciate the video as its been so long since I've grown out my hair and was getting a little self-conscious. Thanks again!

  • @brockolea
    @brockolea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    An other thing to add for men with long hair,tying them too tight can lead to a slight loss of hair in the front over time. Easily reversible with a change in hairstyle (a looser bun for instance)

  • @FrankKrings
    @FrankKrings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hi Greg, it might be interesting to read something from someone who has had male pattern baldness since the age of 16. I thought it was awful and since then I had shaved my hair very short to a total bald head. Thank god I have a strong beard. And I focus on the beard. When it comes to hair, there's nothing more to be done. :) So I'm still a fan of your beard tips.

  • @Maor4444
    @Maor4444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    My hair started receding when I was in my early 20's, got extremely thin on top when I turned 25 and it keeps falling ever since (I'm 28).
    Greg, I'm mad at you for worrying and wishing you had a "better" hairline. You don't know what it's like to be in the process of losing your hair and see someone way older than you with a full head of hair.
    If you got this far with a full head of hair, you probably won't lose any more hair.
    So do me a favour and enjoy what you got, because you got A LOT of it.

    • @bhughes1986
      @bhughes1986 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      CoDee check out baldcafe

    • @craix5983
      @craix5983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      when i was 14 my temple receding that was to early is that a mature hair line or balding?

    • @toivo7443
      @toivo7443 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@craix5983 mature if not thin on top

    • @dwboutthat5709
      @dwboutthat5709 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Violet Plays I was 15 when it started to thin, I’m 18 not wit devil horns

    • @craix5983
      @craix5983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dwboutthat5709 im 15 now but my temple are receding but i have thick hair

  • @mg1822
    @mg1822 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Juvenile hairline and full thick beard = Ultimate hair genetic phenom.

  • @tonyroe1670
    @tonyroe1670 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m 76. Still have hair. If u want to know what avoid. Ask a bald man what shampoo he used in his youth. Prevention is better than cure know what to keep away from 5:07

    • @alvynizunia
      @alvynizunia 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      since u are 76 and still have hair, may i ask you what shampoo or haicare you use too keep or maintain that hair u have sir?

  • @coolcatbaron
    @coolcatbaron 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don't think the transgression from juvenile to mature hairline is just because of it receding, but also that our forehead still developes and gets a bit bigger, stretching it a little bit to the back.

  • @ryptoll4801
    @ryptoll4801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Thank you for a great video. You're reading my mind! I've been obsessing about my thinning hair for these past few days and just thought I should look into if I could possibly embrace it at some point. Like you, I also enjoy being able to have long hair, even though I've also been fine with going shaved in the past. I'm 31 and as far as I can tell, my hairline is at the "level 3" as the temples have receded by about 2 inches from how they were in my teens, which is a big difference, but they don't seem to recede further than that. So my hairline is just very mature, I suppose. And the front of it has not moved at all.
    As for the rest of my hair... it's thinned out a lot from how it used to be and breaking off very easily. I can see on pics from a few years ago that it was a lot thicker on top. But currently it's still just about thick enough to have long hair in a side-parting without it looking bad. With a middle-parting I can see my scalp shining through a lot, which looks bad, so I avoid that style. It's not technically an "over-comb" but almost, lol. To my defense, it actually looked worse in a short haircut.
    I really don't wanna lose my hair, but it's starting to slowly sink in that it's just going to happen. I think my plan is gonna be to try medicine to hopefully prevent it from getting worse, and if that doesn't work, then I'll embrace the bald look, I guess. I just don't wanna quit my hair without a fight first.

  • @mutchytheman9607
    @mutchytheman9607 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I started losing my hair at 19, kinda like my father and his brothers did.
    I started using topical finasteride and minoxidil at 20, and the results have been amazing. My hair line and crown dramatically improved. Went from visibly thinning with a noticeable hairline (if my hair wasn't brushed right to cover it) to a full head of a hair in a few months. Couldn't be happier.

    • @antonyleverton349
      @antonyleverton349 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any side effects

    • @mutchytheman9607
      @mutchytheman9607 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Antony Leverton Minoxidil - minor headaches after I applied it for about the first week, then that stopped.
      Fin - some genital pain that lasted about 3 days (I googled and this isn’t too rare).

    • @user-qd7pc7th7z
      @user-qd7pc7th7z 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      im 20 too and I started to see my hairline crawling back from the sides, my friends and family haven't noticed yet but i dont wanna get there. i heard the minoxidil is BS and idk what to believe. did your hair shed before it grows back? are the results temporary? i heard they last 3 months and then hair starts falling again. thanks

    • @mutchytheman9607
      @mutchytheman9607 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-qd7pc7th7z Naw Minoxidil is not BS, it does work. I did have some shedding at first yeah. And the results last for as long as you continue to use the medicine. So I wouldn't call that temporary.

    • @prometheus6853
      @prometheus6853 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mutchytheman9607 how’s your hair now?

  • @castin5244
    @castin5244 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is the most majestic man I've ever seen.

  • @IGarrettI
    @IGarrettI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    "God has a sense of humour" - said God

  • @FrostyFeet2018
    @FrostyFeet2018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice video, Greg! I always look forward to seeing you.

  • @jack0f4lltrades28
    @jack0f4lltrades28 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I can't tell mate, I've had a maturing hairline since I began high school. My temples have been exposed for 8 years (I'm 24) and my hair has always been thin. My dad's side of the family is bald while my moms side isn't. Neither of my three siblings are bald, but one has a mature hairline similar to mine.
    Best I have is looking at my baby pictures, I had little to no hair at my temples when I was a baby. So I'm really stuck at whether I'm balding or if my hair is just a mature hairline.

    • @evanbuchanan6732
      @evanbuchanan6732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m the same way bro

    • @TheGael128
      @TheGael128 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats probably just your hair line, look up pictures of sting from the band the police, hes had the same hairline since he was young

    • @shanks8989
      @shanks8989 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is your hair still full or thin? Does it look good still and can you hide the. Temples?

    • @lyricalpanic618
      @lyricalpanic618 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m in the same boat man

  • @homer2439
    @homer2439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    You’re telling me if you began to lose your hair you would embrace it? I find it hard to believe. Imagine if you woke up tomorrow and were a Norwood 5. You’d most definitely try minoxidil or finasteride if not a hair transplant. I respect that you tell guys to embrace it but also wished you would let them know about other options of what they could do to fight it instead of going the virtuous route. Cmon Greg, we both know how much you care about appearance so it’s quite evident to assume you would try minox, finasteride and other treatments if you went past a Norwood 3. Nonetheless great video.

    • @BerzinskyRules
      @BerzinskyRules 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Of course I would be bothered as I said at around 9:10 or so. No denying I would worry.

    • @homer2439
      @homer2439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Greg Berzinsky I know that, I’m not saying you wouldn’t worry. But you also said you’d embrace it and made it seem like the overall theme of your video. I disagree with this based on seeing how much you care about your appearance. I think it’s disingenuous that you told people to embrace what they have when you wouldn’t yourself. I mean cmon you had perfect teeth prior and still got porcelain veneers. Plus your modeling has hair as one of its biggest factors. I just truly wished you talked about solutions that could treat the problem instead of telling people to do nothing. That’s my main criticism.

    • @Yorker1998
      @Yorker1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've been on finasteride since September of 2018 and I can't say I've really seen any results but I'm still taking it because I know they say it takes a lot of time. My sex drive has taken a hit though, rarely think about any of that stuff anymore nor have any urges but that's okay.

    • @homer2439
      @homer2439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cam finasteride is prevention. Minoxidil is regrowth.

    • @tru2daci
      @tru2daci 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Homer shut up

  • @williamfrank962
    @williamfrank962 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Ah, if isn’t god himself discussing hair loss.

  • @joelbelliston5541
    @joelbelliston5541 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am thinning really badly in several ways but I completely agree. Embrace it. Rock what you’ve got. If it gets too bad, I will gladly shave my head, done it before.

  • @jakubklinger2289
    @jakubklinger2289 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm 24 and already deep in to Noorwood 3 ... I'm using finasteride, minoxidil and dermstamp since four months and hair regrowth is minimal. On the other hand, if I didn't started anything, I would be completly bald before 30 for sure. MY hair is shoulder lenght now, slightly curly at the ends, people complemented it, little they know haha. Maybe I will go for a hair transplant one day to fix front and temples.

    • @ammarcharafeddine4966
      @ammarcharafeddine4966 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's been 2 years can you tell what happened please?

    • @892965
      @892965 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sides?

  • @saitama_9279
    @saitama_9279 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    After that zoom in now you need to drop a video on your skin care routine lol looking good brother.

  • @VenancioPortalatin
    @VenancioPortalatin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you for this video. I'm currently 45 and would say I noticed a distinct light receding of my hairline around the age of 38 (Although, as you stated it could've started earlier but I just didn't notice it). I still have a full head of thick hair but was worried I was loosing it and began using rogaine a few years ago. I think after watching this video I understand better that my hairline is just very much like yours and maybe I shouldn't worry as much.

    • @ariescustom
      @ariescustom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here dude. I noticed a slight change in my early 30s but I'm 48 now and it hasn't changed any further, albeit it's now totally grey. Ha ha. I don't mind that though.

    • @CarnoMatero
      @CarnoMatero ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ariescustom I guess my hairline is alrrady maturing, and i'm 16. It is normal at this age?

    • @ariescustom
      @ariescustom ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CarnoMatero It's different for everyone. It might creep back a wee bit then stop or it may keep going. Fingers crossed for the former of the two.

    • @CarnoMatero
      @CarnoMatero ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ariescustom Thanks, i will pay attention to my hairline to confirm if it's receding or not. Thank you, i was worried about it lol

  • @marekgaazka7279
    @marekgaazka7279 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Greg. Thank you. Greatings from Poland.

  • @Ken-yg4um
    @Ken-yg4um 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Since I was 15 I have had long hair now that I'm 50 years today I can definitely see loss of density I'm not bald but definitely thinning and almost cut it all off ...after seeing this video I'm a saved man😄👍

    • @ChinaWillRule
      @ChinaWillRule 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      man u are 50 yo and still scared from balding ..

    • @arslaanpasha3334
      @arslaanpasha3334 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      why did u cut yout hair

  • @BalHatase
    @BalHatase 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very cool analysis Mr. Berzinsky, you're one of my role models for growing a beard. I'm 38, some thinning on the roof but still enough hair to work with :)

  • @MrVisde
    @MrVisde 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm in my 40's now and have a mature hairline. The thing about getting older is the hair gets thinner. If you're used to having thick, coarse hair...it can feel like you're balding when your hair starts to have less volume.

    • @mohammadtaha9829
      @mohammadtaha9829 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      im 20 and i feel you.

    • @tallbeachyblonde5862
      @tallbeachyblonde5862 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can your hair thin out during puberty as it matures? Everyone in my close family has a full head of hair except for one uncle, everyone says im over reacting and not going bald, quarantine gave me an absolute lion mane and I could barely see but now that its cut shorter im not sure if its always been this thin or if im balding.

    • @wolfie643
      @wolfie643 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tallbeachyblonde5862 I don't think hair should thin out during puberty as it matures but your hair was probably always like that, how old are you and what's your hair type? It can also just appear thin if you have a certain hairstyle, for example if you have your hair cut short and if it's directed upwards your scalp might be a bit more visible in the crown area giving it an illusion that it's thinning, also genetic hair loss is a bit complicated and you can't tell exactly tell whether or not you're gonna go bald just by looking at the hair of people from your close family, sure you can get a rough idea of what you can expect by looking at the hairlines of other's in your family but for example i have a grandfather from my father's side of the family who was bald for generations, so my grandfather's dad was almost completely bald and only his sides remained while his mother's father was also bald and yet my grandfather who is now 71 still retained a decent amount of hair even though both sides of his family had a bald guy each, all in all if you're concerned about your hair just consult a dermatologist and he'll figure it out for you

    • @deucethewildone6386
      @deucethewildone6386 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tallbeachyblonde5862 Lol dude it's the same with me and I'm 18! Everyone laughs when I say I'm losing my hair I think I damaged my hair so hopefully it's restorable.

  • @vilevagrant4632
    @vilevagrant4632 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got to love the dice, my father was the only one in his family who was bald and no bald people on mother's side. I'm 21 and well my hair has receded and the middle of my scalp has begun thinning out drastically.

  • @Megalocade
    @Megalocade 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To be honest I'm happy to have what remaining hair is left on my head, theres still enough thatch to style doesn't look to thin so very grateful for that, I'm 41 now and all the men bar 1 in my family were completely bald by 25 including my 2 brothers, only one to keep his hair was my grandad, dads dad who my dad always said I look like and have the same hair line.
    I do find when I'm really stressed I go thiner on top, I noticed this when I lost my mum and dad to cancer a couple years ago, I looked pretty bald on top and thought that I was actually following the male pattern baldness in my family but couple years later my hair has filled again.

    • @kozmik4848
      @kozmik4848 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How is your hair now? Do you think it could have been Telogen Effluvium that just effected the top of your head?

  • @anthonymetcalfe7801
    @anthonymetcalfe7801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am 63 lost my hair around 25 at the time shoulder length mousey blonde so what do you do find a style you like I keep it short and a full beard love yourself then confidence comes accept what you have and please no comb over or try some fancy patterns I love my beard it’s the only thing I have to comb you look great by the way

  • @oEphnix
    @oEphnix 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thought I was balding, turns out I'm just maturing. Thanks for the video, extremely incitful

    • @dumbdickler670
      @dumbdickler670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thought I was balding, turns out I am balding

    • @maxhavels527
      @maxhavels527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dumbdickler670 sameee

    • @tiddyfard4517
      @tiddyfard4517 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's so weird I was almost convinced I was, but it hasn't receded any more in over 4-5 years ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, temples and crown both look the same they always have shout out to all those who had a panic attack lmao

  • @dannychang9662
    @dannychang9662 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a very good talk. I was freaking out before this. Thank you.

  • @stumpz69
    @stumpz69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m 17 and my hair is slightly receding at the corners...

    • @alexandermercer4473
      @alexandermercer4473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You're getting a matured hairline. Don't worry my corners slightly receded when I was 16 and now I have a matured hairline like my father and my other male family members. Don't worry about it man, but if you're corners are receded way but way to much then that's where you should find a hair doctor and talk to them about the situation. But since you said that their slightly receding then you're getting a matured hairline and there's nothing to worry about. I'm also 17 by the way.

    • @stumpz69
      @stumpz69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexandermercer4473 it’s not that bad recession but i noticed it started to thin abit at the sides when I was turning 17 but I’ve always had super thick hair anyway so I think I’ll be fine

    • @alexandermercer4473
      @alexandermercer4473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stumpz69 Yeah you will man. I have natural thin hair so it's nothing to worry about.

  • @RainSpitter
    @RainSpitter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They told me my step father was my father. He was bald at 18 I was relieve when I saw my real father and he had a full head of hair! Not only that my grandfather from my mothers side had long hair into he’s 70’s. He only lost it because he had cancer.

  • @ThePainter1989
    @ThePainter1989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video dude! At the start of the year my hairline was at 3v, noticeably receding and thinning of the crown, typical MPB. I’ve been taking Minoxidil and Finasteride since Feb and the results have been insane! My hair follicles are thicker in the crown, that I actually have my crown back! My hairline has also become thicker and in some cases, some hair has grown back to where it was a good few years ago! Super happy with the results and happy to discuss my journey with anyone in the same boat :)

    • @maxhavels527
      @maxhavels527 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do finasteride and minoxidil work if you have thin hair at the top and losing more hair in one corner than other?
      I'm in my 20s and super worried about that

  • @PreeminentbrandsNet
    @PreeminentbrandsNet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The perfect spokesperson

  • @ignad2537
    @ignad2537 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A lion talking about baldess... what you said was useful, tough. Thanks Mufasa

    • @BREACH_X
      @BREACH_X 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @iamthatiam44444
    @iamthatiam44444 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wash with 1tsp bicarb in 1 cup of water once a week rinse with braggs apple cider vinigar in 1 cup of water. Hair not falling out now. I also use filtered water for hair washing too.

  • @carlossinmas8084
    @carlossinmas8084 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I’m 27 and stick can’t grow a full beard. My twin brother can.

    • @RyPie51
      @RyPie51 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it takes time. mine wouldn't connect for at least 8yrs and a lot of men cannot grow a full beard until their 30's.

    • @doomsmoothie1935
      @doomsmoothie1935 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RyPie51 im really hoping so, im 28 and mines really thin and patchy still. its gotten more fuller over the last year but still looks wierd when i grow it out haha

    • @stefankirchanski7618
      @stefankirchanski7618 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When I was in my 20s, my stash & chin were ok, but cheeks not so good & under-beard poor. So no big beard. I tried & it looked bad so I wore a short beard. Then it really started to go grey around 30 so I shaved it off. Grew a short beard at 50 when it & my head hair were all white (bad genetics). About 2 years ago I saw a Greg B. video explaining he couldn’t grow a full beard until he was 50. I’m way older than that so I thought I’d give it a go. It came in pretty strong (lots of Santa Claus jokes). Now I wish I had grown it out years ago. I knew all my hair changed color & I was painfully aware of the “mature hair line” deal (I learned I’m a 2 or 2A from this video), but I never figured out that unlike head hair, beards can improve with age. Don’t give up. Cheers, Stefan K.

    • @vladdrimboreanu7465
      @vladdrimboreanu7465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      jsut use minoxidilfor your beard . HOW DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THIS JESUS.

    • @lilosnitch3247
      @lilosnitch3247 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just get rich and get a root plant

  • @freealexlee
    @freealexlee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nobody talks about this! Thanks for sharing

  • @matthewmoorecichlids2323
    @matthewmoorecichlids2323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got a Cull de Sac going on. Starting buying property at age 20.

  • @Ryoogah1
    @Ryoogah1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Halfway through this video he suddenly started looking like Nick Cage to me and now I can't unsee it haha
    Thanks for this information too! Puts me at ease quite a bit

  • @legacylewis8841
    @legacylewis8841 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yo that beard is fire 🔥🔥

  • @nucleartaco04
    @nucleartaco04 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started to notice my hairline maturing throughout my high school years. I am now 19, a college sophomore and began to notice a slight change in my V-shaped hairline alongside thinning on the front. I am on oral minoxidil (2 months) and am starting to notice some slight regrowth of hair that’s pushing down on the temples of my hairline. My beard, eyebrows and eyelashes have grown longer and thicker.

  • @jake_a_g
    @jake_a_g 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Let's do a follow up of straight up balding guys who are cool and stylish

    • @BerzinskyRules
      @BerzinskyRules 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      GREAT idea...and there are plenty on my opinion

    • @glennboy92
      @glennboy92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BerzinskyRules For every cool/stylish bald dude there will be a bald dude that's fucked. Not everyone has the genetics to rock a bald head

  • @stormcorrosion176
    @stormcorrosion176 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro, I think you are one the most handsome dudes in the world. Thank you for the great info here. Am hitting 40, have a great head of hair, but am seeing the mature hairline starting.

  • @stevehenkel354
    @stevehenkel354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So Greg, what would you do if your hairline recession wasn't as much but your crown was really starting to thin out and become close to bald? Would you still feel comfortable with the long hair or do you think it would just draw attention to the crown?

  • @coreyblack5
    @coreyblack5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro, I have hair down to my belt line. I’m 52, it’s red rad curly like simply red and I’m completely bald on top. I gave up caring what people thought.

  • @alsodanleyness
    @alsodanleyness 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I definitely have the shape that is described as "mature" but my hair was that shape when I was 6 years old. The difficulty for me is trying to figure out if the temples have gone further back in the last few years. I think they have, but I'm not sure.

    • @BerzinskyRules
      @BerzinskyRules 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Members in my family have very high foreheads to start with. Men and women....We joked that it was to contain all the power power

  • @udasu
    @udasu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid, thanks. I feel better about my hair's same issue as yours. I do feel more at peace with it now, knowing 95% of men go through it. Be well.

  • @russellmckenzie1596
    @russellmckenzie1596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Holy cow ur dad looked like one of my teachers growing up

  • @Matty002
    @Matty002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    youtube just recommended me a bunch of male hair and hairline videos and everyone without fail brings up at least reagan
    damn you reagan

  • @jakubklinger2289
    @jakubklinger2289 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You're Norwood 1,5 dude I would say, I wish I had hairline like that in your age haha. I'm 24 and almost Norwood 3 and naturally thin hair. That's why I'm on hairloss medication

  • @ninosawbrzostowiecki1892
    @ninosawbrzostowiecki1892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What must really suck is having MPB and not being able to grow a beard. I'm one of the rare men who can't grow almost any facial hair. I have a weak goatee and some very sparse hair where my sideburns should be. I also noticed my hairline maturing quite a bit in the last 2 or so years. I'm terrified.

  • @psy9447
    @psy9447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why is Zeus telling me about balding with his elderly lush locks closer to the camera than his face?

  • @crtl5911
    @crtl5911 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jim root from slipknot has 1 of the best hairlines I've ever seen, he is 50 and still rock it

  • @Feeelipeeee
    @Feeelipeeee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My top wrinkle is a whole finger below my hairline, but i didn't notice any hair loss (I'm 20) it's was always like that. Maybe I was born balding?

    • @jageroda902
      @jageroda902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Over before it even began

    • @DzenisMelkic
      @DzenisMelkic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You still have your hair?

    • @Feeelipeeee
      @Feeelipeeee 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DzenisMelkic Yes, it looks normal tbf, althought I did notice some diffuse thinning on the top and front, only visible when wet.

    • @DzenisMelkic
      @DzenisMelkic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Feeelipeeee ah i see... Apparently it is normal as we age, most of the time it just stops and then starts again later in life. I had hair near my forehead when i was 12 and now, at 21, i dont have it. My hair is simialr to my fathers hair. Also, no onein my family is bald except my father uncle (my grandpas brother), so ig my chances of balding are really low? And yeah i believe this finger/top wrinkle test is bs because it depends on how many wrinkles you have and how big of a forehead you have. My forehead is pretty big and i have a scar on my top wrinkle since i was a kid. I looked at my old pics and it doesnt seem like my hair went up too much...

  • @stevemartin7326
    @stevemartin7326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My father is 64 years old and has a lot of hair. On the other hand, when I am 25 years old, I am losing a lot of hair and I have corners, am I going to go bald even though my father is not?

    • @Anoalekontrieger
      @Anoalekontrieger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It can happen, your mothers genes are in you too!

    • @stevemartin7326
      @stevemartin7326 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Anoalekontrieger it does'nt sound good

    • @Yorker1998
      @Yorker1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm 22 and my dad is 65. He has more hair than I do on the top though it's pretty thin but when he was my age he had a full thick head of hair. And my grandfather's on both my mom and dad's side kept most of their hair. Very strange. Although my uncle on my dad's side is bald so that might be a link.

    • @EmreY25
      @EmreY25 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Countrywild56 and your mother's dad (your grandpa) how was his hair?

  • @everettwilliams1081
    @everettwilliams1081 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Just saved me from having a heart attack

  • @DonutWorryFriend
    @DonutWorryFriend 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can’t thank you enough for this video. I was getting super insecure about my hair (im 24). I feel much better now.

  • @alexanderc7213
    @alexanderc7213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    A mature hairline is nothing. It's when you start thinning on top that's killer. I'd like to think that baldness stops at a certain stage but from everything I read, once it starts, it don't stop. Oh well, I can grow a sweet beard. 🤣

    • @sakispdsw
      @sakispdsw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bro im sorry to tell you but if that's you on the pic its already at a very late point. I have thinning but its at an earlier stage. Id suggest a shaved head or buzzed and rock the sweet beard.

    • @kindsir1256
      @kindsir1256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That’s not true... hair loss can stabilise. Because you start receding, doesn’t mean you’re going to go fully bald!

    • @tiddyfard4517
      @tiddyfard4517 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kindsir1256 This iis true, my dad had a full head of hair into his 40s but it did recede in the fringes a bit. He had a full beard and full head of hair his life.

  • @atomheart7907
    @atomheart7907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm 25 about to be 26 and I noticed my hairline starting to recede with thinning at the beginning of this year.

  • @Danimal77
    @Danimal77 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I can't believe you're almost 60 and you have that much hair on your head!

    • @RickyNoooo
      @RickyNoooo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good genetics

  • @janhundling4647
    @janhundling4647 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hes back!!!

  • @CristiNeagu
    @CristiNeagu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2021 has been a very bad year for my hair. I don't know what it was. Maybe it was stress, maybe it was age. But at the start of 2021 I had a lot of hair. Like, a lot. And then it started falling. It got so bad that every time I ran my fingers through my hair I would come away with a clump of hair. Taking showers was a nightmare, seeing all the hair coming out. Now it seems to have slowed down considerably. Maybe it's a break in the loss or maybe this is where it will stay. I still have a full head of hair, so I am thankful for that. But yeah... seeing all that hair... that's one of the deepest depressions I've had in my life.

    • @kodyballard49
      @kodyballard49 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I just want you to know that your not the only one who experianced this, maybe it was stress or just a stagnant livestyle for the year, it sucks & was terrifing. Hope everything goes better for you

    • @CristiNeagu
      @CristiNeagu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kodyballard49 Thanks. Hopefully we've all managed to get out of that slump.

    • @arslaanpasha3334
      @arslaanpasha3334 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      in 2020 I had thick ponytail. Now my hair is fine but ponytail isnt thick as it was.

    • @CristiNeagu
      @CristiNeagu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arslaanpasha3334 Same for me. I would say my ponytail is maybe a quarter as thick as before.

    • @arslaanpasha3334
      @arslaanpasha3334 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CristiNeagu Btw i take really great care of my hair. I apply oil every week. Straighten then once a couple of months.

  • @JphreshOfficial
    @JphreshOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cast this guy in movies 🔥

  • @theartistformerlyknownasbr4849
    @theartistformerlyknownasbr4849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was recently looking at a photo of me in 1976, even at 6 I could show movies on my giant forehead... lol (when you have a big head, a big forehead is in the cards I guess)
    But the good news is that in my early 20's it went up some, but has remained the same since... I'm approaching 50 this summer and although it's significantly higher than Greg's (about an inch above the top wrinkle), it isn't all that bad...

  • @xKickerboxx
    @xKickerboxx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad i found The Dude's channel

  • @ks33-1
    @ks33-1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for making this video Greg! I'm in my late teens and totally freaked out when I noticed my hairline was receding. I now know that it's nothing but the development of a mature hairline.

    • @ri8op947
      @ri8op947 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So,how it is now?

    • @Littlevillager2004
      @Littlevillager2004 ปีที่แล้ว

      How's it now

    • @ks33-1
      @ks33-1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Littlevillager2004 It was just a hairline getting mature

  • @janewx1
    @janewx1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very educational

  • @j_s_99
    @j_s_99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Everyone in my family is bald or going bald.
    Me (21): *panic*

    • @chinorecla8346
      @chinorecla8346 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      (21) same here... *Panic intensifies*

  • @94Endgameboy
    @94Endgameboy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Santa that video is very informative

  • @mohammedaminejebli6563
    @mohammedaminejebli6563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i am 19 now and i almost have realy a bad hair line i could not accepte it , thats realy schoking me and upseting me :'( . i eving that its still not a strong hair line

    • @deucethewildone6386
      @deucethewildone6386 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is that you in the profile pic? Looks like you still have a juvinile hairline

  • @fraper55
    @fraper55 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ¡Great information Greg!

  • @NMages20
    @NMages20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's gotta be so easy for someone like Greg to talk about hairless. "Most of 95% of you are going to lose your hair. I am not in that percentage, now will I ever be, I have fantastic hair for my age. Possibly better than yours"

  • @GamingNine1Kid
    @GamingNine1Kid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my hairline on the center of the head has remained unchanged except i just lost hair on the sides...this is so messed up... hair never stops growing in funny places except where it matters most