“He robbed me of my final vengeance, he robbed Angron of his final stand, he robbed Perterabo of his first passion, he robbed Lorgar of his last church… some fucking dad of the year he is…” God damn… go off Morty
Yeah, it's honestly a better characterization than the books gave him. Him as the mature, if a bit dull, older brother works beautifully. In the books he's kind of Leman Russ only without the viking party animal stuff.
Mortarion had a lot of pent hatred for the Emperor for the slaying of his adoptive father, but he does bring up a lot other mistakes and bad decisions that the Emperor throughout the Great Crusade did that forever put a wedge between him and his sons. How ironic that this series almost made me actually sympathize with Mortarion for actually bring up some grievances that probably were in his mind throughout the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, and also Corvus being high of his rocker is extremely funny.
Honestly I dislike Mortarian, he knew or could guess to why the big E left, Malcador told him of the Webway project but still decided to betray the only way to get ride of psychic powers which is something he hates, he literally could have made the universe a better place but wanted it to be of warriors which he didn’t get along with ones(his brothers) he knew, yes the big E was a shit father to some of them, the only ones to truly feel bad for but he saved his life and didn’t treat Mortarian bad after. Dudes just straight petty.
Mortarion's actitude is actually in line with his canon portrayal, he refused to bond with his brothers because he thought they got easier lives than he did, makes sense why he antagonizes Guilliman so much.
Some of them had pretty horrible upbringings, like Angron, Konrad and even Lorgar. Doesn't Mortarion know this? Or is he so self-absorbed he only cares about his misery?
@@SignedWithBloodI think he does, but he likes to set himself apart. He sees more differences and similarities with his brothers. Konrad and Lorgar are both psychers, and Morty hates warp magic to his core. While I think he can sympathize with them in that they all hate the emperor for what he did to them, he can't get past seeing them as "other." As for Angron, he's a monster of a different breed. The butcher's nails took away his potential, while he does have lucid moments of genuine clarity and insight, he's unpredictable and prone to violence. As an ally he's unreliable so even if Morty thought the two of them were close I don't believe he could trust Angron.
I've always been fascinated with the thought of "what do primarchs do when they have a little downtime". I love the characterization that Ferrus Manus loves cooking and being a chef. Maybe if he passes out on to his son's they wouldn't be turning themselves into cyborgs
Mortarian would have an interesting time if he was alone with Konrad. _ M: "I was a slave to a vicious tyrant!" K: "I had to eat people to survive!" M: "I stink!" K: "I'm a Ghoul!" M: "I had to lead a revolution from the literal ground up against poison-shrouded fortresses held by mutant monsters." K: "I had to put down the crime rate on my world by being so horrible that five hive cities's worth of criminals surrendered out of sheer terror." M: "Well when dad took me, he robbed me of my revenge." K: "When he claimed me, I suffered horrible visions regarding the fate of everyone in our 'family.'" M: "Well...oh. Wait a minute, if you've been seeing horrible visions about stuff that's going to happen to us, why don't you tell anyone?" K: "I have been. None of you ever bother to-" M: "Yea, whatever. By the way, I read that book you sent my way." K: "Ah, Heart of Darkness. What did you think?" M: "Eh, pretty wordy." K: "I knew you'd say that." M: "I think I prefer Animal Farm." K: "Of course." M: "What's that supposed to mean?" K: "Ah, the novel where a bunch of innocent animals rise against an oppressive farmer and gain their freedom, only to slowly relinquish it and revert back to a form of tyranny than was even worse than the first. One doesn't need to be a psyker to understand why you'd be attracted to this." M: "Yea...yea." M&K: "..." K: "Interesting how it always pans out. Humans always chase after some new brand of chosen ones to lead them into a golden age, and it rarely ever takes long for the gold to prove itself as pyrite." M: "I...wonder about that too. Ever since getting off Barbarus-" K: "A name even I find unnecessarily edgy." M: "I've seen and toppled a lot of tyrants, and I've had a chance to study how many have risen and fallen in humanity's history. Why do we keep producing them? It seems that no matter how free or great a society is, its always liable to sort of...sleepwalk its way into tyranny, often justified by avoiding some other form of tyranny. I just wonder why humanity can never seem to get it right. Just...avoid letting them rise again." K: "The answer to your question can be found in the one thing that book of yours get wrong." M: "What in Typhon's sweaty-" K: "The one mistake so many make is that normal people, or in the book's case, the animals that weren't pigs or men are not innocent. They are not nearly as good as they often imagine themselves to be. The human soul yearns to inflict is will on the world, shaping it to its whims and mores. While not inherently tyrannical, this naturally causes problems when such a natural impulse rams into other beings with the same impulse, but different ideas for how the world should work, or who hold resources one should want." M: "I'm following..." K: "Because space is always finite, contrary wills cannot forever coexist or compromise, and eventually, one must submit to the other, usually through the exercise of power. Here is where the average human gives his vote to unequal power and tyranny: they give assent to whomever they believe will best enact their will unto others, thus forcing their will on the world while avoiding either the responsibility or difficulty of enacting it themselves, or the distancing themselves from the moral quandary of forcing their will on others so long as it is done through someone else's power and justified by someone else's authority. Meanwhile, the one who accumulates power through presenting themselves as the one to enact any type of change eventually consolidates enough control that they may either enforce their will, even contrary to the grand majority, or indulge in any degree of corruption as they feel with profit them or indulge their desires. By the time anyone realizes what has happened, most are already to apathetic to care so long as they skate by unnoticed, while others give license for it to continue so long as their will is at least mostly carried out. This then is Orwells mistake in the book: tyranny does not arise because people "let" it happen, it arises because people *want* it to happen, so long as it is a tyranny they can convince themselves they agree with." M: "That's uh...that's quite a way to look at the human beings-" K: "Formed by my deep studies into the topic on Nostramo." M: "Alright, but...well, based on this, I'm willing to bet you've had the same thoughts as me..." K: "If it is regarding our father and his quest for a united galaxy under his rule, one with all religiosity stamped down and his will being the absolute and final word on a given subject- in other words, claiming to be a mere man as he said to Lorgar, yet wielding what can only be described as divine authority over truth itself- then I would assume that yes, I have been having similar thoughts." M: "Rights...I'll give the old man this, he's smart, he's got quite the vision for a galaxy where all the bells and whistles are all greased up, and he knows his way around a battlefield...but..." K: "But there's no getting around the fact that if anyone else talked and acted as he does, you would have beheaded him and destroyed his government long ago, and while his power is great, you cannot help but conclude serving him makes you an agent of the very tyranny you claimed to be against." M: "Stay out of my head psyker!" K: "I needed no probing nor vision to see it. Again, it is as easy to read as your favorite book." M: "Yea well...what do you think about all of this?" K: "I serve the cause of justice. I am an agent of terror that falls upon the criminal, the wayward, and the foolish. My quest is not the same as yours, so I suppose I shouldn't have the same problem." M: "I feel a 'but' coming on..." K: "But there is a contradiction that had been gnawing at the back of my brain. From what I have seen, the emperor's vision and planning seems perfect. Flawless. We win victory after victory over system, subsector, and sector, often with minimal difficulty. Yet by his own confession, he is but a man. And all men, all humans, are united in this: they are flawed, their perspective warping their perception and reason. It thus follows that in ways we cannot yet grasp, there are flaws to his system, flaws we cannot see, yet which are very real, and if left unchecked, could do incalculable damage." M: "...About those visions..." K: "This conversation cannot leave this room." M: "Fine, now make like a drunken Leman and spill it."
"He robbed me of my final vengeance. He robbed Angron of his final stand. He robbed Perturabo of his first passion. And he robbed Lorgar of his last church. Some father of the year he is." TL;DR; The Emperor was a horrible, biased father.
@@freudlindell6343 Even some of the loyalists have massive daddy issues. Jaghatai saw the Emperor as a tyrant and only stayed loyal to him because he thought Chaos was even worse.
Morty has a point. Big E robbed most of his sons of their absolutions or needed justification of why he did things Golden goose just said "Hey Im your father, I dont care of your problems now, join my crusade." Also I need some of that Caliban green if it make a freaking Primarch trip the hell out! Hot DAMN!
Morty made some valid points honestly. Papa E should have let Angron die or at least kept him in stasis till they figured it out. Mortarion should have been the one to strike the killing blow with his father’s help. He should have been more open and honest with Lorgar and Magnus about the shit that was truly happening. He should have been there to tell Perturabo “Remember that despite the lack of glory you get, I will never forget and I am proud of you.” I get why it doesn’t happen but it may have gone a long way to helping the Primarchs get closer with their father.
Corvus Corax is GOLD😂 and morty being serious for once is a good change up from the usual pace of just toxic comic relief lol. In a way, he isn't wrong. But I love Ferrus, so I find it hard to ever be against Ferrus, especially this one
Mortarion: Spits fact about how shit the emperor is Also Mortarion: Attacks his brothers when they're trying to share something nice with each other and him Between that and his hateboner for Psykers, I just can not get on with the guy.
He did spend his upbringing being tortured by psykers; I don't blame Morty for having PTSD, just wish there was a primark sized psychiatrist to help sort him out
I actually really like this portrayal for those first two points. He's a crude ass, but he's also carrying more trauma than many of his brothers that never gets addressed. He's in a downward spiral partially of his own making, stewing in bitterness over his lack of closure and feeling that the Emperor conned him (which he kind of did, betting Mortarion in a race kill a guy at the top of a mountain when he had a ship and Morty had to hike), but he's also too set in his ways to reach out for help. This is the most open and vulnerable he's been since these videos have started and he left before any actual progress could be made. I like him because the contrast makes it understandable that the others don't listen to him while adding depth beyond him being just the guy who wrote slam poetry about wanting to bang Roboute's mother out of spite for a lecture on tax rates.
"My little trash goblin." 😂 I mean, he's not wrong. Edit: and the Emperor confirmed 10,000 years later that Mortarion constantly smelt like shit from day one
Its times like this I remember that the Emperor basically goaded Morty into fighting his stepdad before he was really ready to do so. Basically having to throw his planet under the Big E banner because he failed. Failed to free his people.
Mortarion suffered needlessly and though it was of his own volition at the time, he did it because it was personal to him. he was manipulated to fight for Necare until he saw through what he had been taught, and manipulated by the Emperor afterwards. he was willing to die on Barbarus if it meant freeing the people and ending things how they began. the Emperor walked in with hacks turned on and one shot Necare off-handedly before swooping in to "save" him. after, his lungs were burned, after he had to resort to using the chemicals of his home planet to breathe and sustain him both by choice and cruel reminder of his failures.
Vulkan spent a majority of time with Ferrus before he was given his legion, and these videos really showcase the brotherhood that the two could have truly had. If only Ferrus wasn't so hard headed... Love the videos bro!
These are getting very good. Speaking of which, I would love to see a similar argument between Girlyman and Argrymon. With Guilliman's home world resembling Rome in its prime while that hellworld of slavery that Angron had the shit luck of landing on was Rome in its dying days with injustice ripe. Id love to see them getting into a heated discussion about their lives. Maybe Guilliman meantioning soemthing about "Struggle." Getting into the "What do you know about struggle, Perfect son?"
Rome actually had a ton of slaves during the republic. They had to put down some big slave revolts before Caesar, one of which his fellow triumvirate member, Crassus, was responsible for putting down.
He is primarily an artisan, and though he is stubborn to the point of irrational he isn’t stupid about it and making it a core part of his personality. Perturabo would be the one who only ate MREs and tin-cans if only to spite himself.
@@candersson60yeah he’s just more on the pragmatic side with art Like make a heavily ornate sword when it can be more practical with some ornamentation
He’s petulant AF. It takes a special kind of loser to be designed by a near god and blessed with power beyond our wildest imaginations and still come out with such a victim complex. Typical traitor L.
Solid episode! I love to see Vulken and Corax getting more screen time. I wish Mortarion could could release that anger and bond with his brothers. Can’t wait to see if there’s more of the first and second captans.
Morty has always been my least favourite but damn it was actually kind of sad and noble of him to stand up for his abused brothers. His words are tainted by bitterness, but there's truth to them. "Hey Dad, you Fucked up my life and treat me like shit, how's the Golden Palace of adoring worshippers going? Well, back to being in a war I never asked for so the Custodes can kiss your ass from here to eternity."
Morty is the kind of guy who would go in the street, recreate the Bruce Willis sign scene from Die Hard 3, (you know the one) and when confronted on why he's doing that would answer: "Because f*ck you and f*ck everyone else".
Honestly the thing i look forward to most, (and i know this isnt mentioned often) is whatever bond magnus and leman had, i know they never saw eye to eye, they had huge differences but when it came time to burn prospero leman tried everything to get magnus to surrender and come back with him to terra, but chaos interfered and magnus never even got his messages. I'd love to see a moment where even if they argue. Leman shows he cares about his little brother (Even though i swear magnus is meant to be like the second largest primarch)
Corvis Corax as John Wick is fucking brilliant. Corvis Corax stoned is fucking brilliant. This whole video became fucking brilliant just for having Corvis Corax talk!
Hol up, you gotta do a backstory episode about the brothel thing,i gotta know if corax was there like "yeah sure man, whatever ill go" or if hes like "lets get some BITCHES"
knowing magnus, he probably entered the brothel by mistake looking for a library or something in the eye of terror or just wanted to act cool in front of his brothers, and corvus just happened to be with him
And the seeds of treason is in the air. But Morty does have a good point. The Emperor is like Grand Regant Thragg; A warmonger who sees his children only as tools, and punishes them when they question him. I'm legit curious what food that the other Primarchs eat. Part 2 perhaps?
Hey man , he let him call him father he aint the one that was pushing for that , he considered himself as creator and their supreme commander first and foremost. They all had their duty to humanity , not to contemplate their own desires.
@@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677Screwed over? Aight i can understand Angron and Mortarion to a very small degree but Perturabo? Why do people think he should have built the palace , why is he so special? Dorn was better and got the job. Lorgar was already a mess. If anything the Emperor was lenient , all other religious zealots would have been killed and he was warned multiple times and nothing , he would not change his mind. God told him he wasnt god and yet he still called him god. So harsher judgement was cast. He could have easily been cencored like the 2 and 11. Magnus was warned about his arrogance and his reckless use of the warp , even before the Emperor . The high scholar on Prospero warned about delving deep into the Warp and he would not stop. Not to mention all the suffering the loyal ones went through , like Vulcan and Corvus.
Mortarion actually feels real. After all the toxic jokes and comments he made, he has real vindication about why he and the others act and feel like they do. Corvus Corax appears Me: Happy Raven Noises (Finding out Corvus and me are on the same plane while I was watching this lmao)
True. "Oh yeah, Dad clearly picks favourites but hey, so long as He's happy, Fuck us, right?" The Traitors were wrong, to do what they did, but a good percentage of them were truly hurt people that needed...I dunno, a talk, some respect anything but either zero concern (Mortarion, Perturabo) or flat out resentment (Angron and Lorgar.)
There are a lot of characters in 40k books who say astartes and primarchs would've no future after the Great Crusade. This. This is what they would have. Sharing their home cultures with eachother, discussing WWE and metal bands, playing games together and with their legions, having disagreements and quarrels but always coming together because thet are brothers. Also, imagine all eighteen primarchs and legions, united in bonds of brotherhood and camaraderie, facing against combined forces of all tyranid fleets. This would've been something on level with the War in Heaven. Damn, I hate Erebus even more now
Just realised 2 things. One. I think this was the most Morty ever opened up to…I guess anybody. Too bad it was to Ferrus and Vulkan, the two primarchs least likely to understand him. With Corax being stoned into a extrovert, Konrad, Angron Lorgar and Jagathai being not here. For once his rebellious emo vibe would be helpful to bond with Morty. And two. Excluding Perturabo, and not counting Corax, this was the meeting of primarchs that focus on endurance, strenght, and innovation. Ferrus, Vulkan, Morty and Perty should make a group chat. They have a lot in common. The difference is their worldview and opinions about Emperor. Altho they all agree he is a dick. They could call it something cringe like from the 80s like „The Buff Bros.” BB for short, or „The Crafting Crew.” CC
I think a lot of people forget that primarchs age slowly, like real slow it could of been hundreds of years for most of them before big e comes up, and possibly thousand or more for the later lot, and morty had to be there as one of the last to be picked up, every single little day thinking of his revenge for everything his tyrant had done and he finally gotten it, a chance to either kill the monster or light a spark that will erupt all over his home and let everyone rise up and fight back outside of his resistance a resistance that could of been fighting for a hundred years or more, hundreds dying in it. only for it to be taken away at the last second
Mortarion's world (as in all he knew and understood.) was Barbarus, then for the final struggle and conclusion of his journey to be taken from him, along with his choice. its what made his resentment fester as deep as it did.... imagine any life's work or struggle taken from you in mere moments... imagine that void, that confusion. only to be told to fall in line.
It's so nice for Vulkan to come talking in these conversations!! First Sanguinius, now Vulkan. I can't wait for Jaghatai Khan join these conversations too!!!
Vulkan calling Mortarion his little trash goblin is my favorite thing Vulkan has literally ever done.
Vulcan don't get a lot play thou. They got Morty so jade.
How about that time when he hugged Rogal by force because he knew Rogal needed it?
despite mortarion being 15ft
@@j.jonahjoestar7924 Vulcan is the biggest Primarch thou.
@@j.jonahjoestar7924 he isnt? most are around 9 to 12, with vulkan standing at 13 to 14 feet, and alpharius being 7 feet
“He robbed me of my final vengeance, he robbed Angron of his final stand, he robbed Perterabo of his first passion, he robbed Lorgar of his last church… some fucking dad of the year he is…”
God damn… go off Morty
Corvus being social when high is great.
I honestly wanna see what Keanu reaves looks, acts and sounds like when has high as balls
Cause it’s realistic
@@CiroAngelus Not just realistic, I feel like it's lore accurate.
Corvus just gained access to the mile high club.
Corvus admits to hanging with Magnus. What a bro
You’ve given Ferrus more character than the lore
Seriously.
I mean, that’s because he died like a moron only a few years after he was discovered
Ferrus, the primarch with more memes and fanfiction than actual lore.
No cap
Yeah, it's honestly a better characterization than the books gave him. Him as the mature, if a bit dull, older brother works beautifully. In the books he's kind of Leman Russ only without the viking party animal stuff.
Mortarion had a lot of pent hatred for the Emperor for the slaying of his adoptive father, but he does bring up a lot other mistakes and bad decisions that the Emperor throughout the Great Crusade did that forever put a wedge between him and his sons. How ironic that this series almost made me actually sympathize with Mortarion for actually bring up some grievances that probably were in his mind throughout the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, and also Corvus being high of his rocker is extremely funny.
They all have a point. There's more abd than good that Big E did.
Honestly I dislike Mortarian, he knew or could guess to why the big E left, Malcador told him of the Webway project but still decided to betray the only way to get ride of psychic powers which is something he hates, he literally could have made the universe a better place but wanted it to be of warriors which he didn’t get along with ones(his brothers) he knew, yes the big E was a shit father to some of them, the only ones to truly feel bad for but he saved his life and didn’t treat Mortarian bad after. Dudes just straight petty.
I love mortarion
Mortarion's actitude is actually in line with his canon portrayal, he refused to bond with his brothers because he thought they got easier lives than he did, makes sense why he antagonizes Guilliman so much.
Some of them had pretty horrible upbringings, like Angron, Konrad and even Lorgar. Doesn't Mortarion know this? Or is he so self-absorbed he only cares about his misery?
@@SignedWithBloodI think he does, but he likes to set himself apart. He sees more differences and similarities with his brothers. Konrad and Lorgar are both psychers, and Morty hates warp magic to his core. While I think he can sympathize with them in that they all hate the emperor for what he did to them, he can't get past seeing them as "other." As for Angron, he's a monster of a different breed. The butcher's nails took away his potential, while he does have lucid moments of genuine clarity and insight, he's unpredictable and prone to violence. As an ally he's unreliable so even if Morty thought the two of them were close I don't believe he could trust Angron.
Sadly the emperor never considered to get his sons therapy.
@voidragongorkyeah real fucking genius to give only one of your sons your empath abilities. Really freaking genius!!!
Man I love your rendition of Ferrus. Actually gives him some personality.
Prompted from Stallone, but just comes off as a mix of Michael Ironside and John Goodman
I've always been fascinated with the thought of "what do primarchs do when they have a little downtime". I love the characterization that Ferrus Manus loves cooking and being a chef. Maybe if he passes out on to his son's they wouldn't be turning themselves into cyborgs
Mortarian would have an interesting time if he was alone with Konrad.
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M: "I was a slave to a vicious tyrant!"
K: "I had to eat people to survive!"
M: "I stink!"
K: "I'm a Ghoul!"
M: "I had to lead a revolution from the literal ground up against poison-shrouded fortresses held by mutant monsters."
K: "I had to put down the crime rate on my world by being so horrible that five hive cities's worth of criminals surrendered out of sheer terror."
M: "Well when dad took me, he robbed me of my revenge."
K: "When he claimed me, I suffered horrible visions regarding the fate of everyone in our 'family.'"
M: "Well...oh. Wait a minute, if you've been seeing horrible visions about stuff that's going to happen to us, why don't you tell anyone?"
K: "I have been. None of you ever bother to-"
M: "Yea, whatever. By the way, I read that book you sent my way."
K: "Ah, Heart of Darkness. What did you think?"
M: "Eh, pretty wordy."
K: "I knew you'd say that."
M: "I think I prefer Animal Farm."
K: "Of course."
M: "What's that supposed to mean?"
K: "Ah, the novel where a bunch of innocent animals rise against an oppressive farmer and gain their freedom, only to slowly relinquish it and revert back to a form of tyranny than was even worse than the first. One doesn't need to be a psyker to understand why you'd be attracted to this."
M: "Yea...yea."
M&K: "..."
K: "Interesting how it always pans out. Humans always chase after some new brand of chosen ones to lead them into a golden age, and it rarely ever takes long for the gold to prove itself as pyrite."
M: "I...wonder about that too. Ever since getting off Barbarus-"
K: "A name even I find unnecessarily edgy."
M: "I've seen and toppled a lot of tyrants, and I've had a chance to study how many have risen and fallen in humanity's history. Why do we keep producing them? It seems that no matter how free or great a society is, its always liable to sort of...sleepwalk its way into tyranny, often justified by avoiding some other form of tyranny. I just wonder why humanity can never seem to get it right. Just...avoid letting them rise again."
K: "The answer to your question can be found in the one thing that book of yours get wrong."
M: "What in Typhon's sweaty-"
K: "The one mistake so many make is that normal people, or in the book's case, the animals that weren't pigs or men are not innocent. They are not nearly as good as they often imagine themselves to be. The human soul yearns to inflict is will on the world, shaping it to its whims and mores. While not inherently tyrannical, this naturally causes problems when such a natural impulse rams into other beings with the same impulse, but different ideas for how the world should work, or who hold resources one should want."
M: "I'm following..."
K: "Because space is always finite, contrary wills cannot forever coexist or compromise, and eventually, one must submit to the other, usually through the exercise of power. Here is where the average human gives his vote to unequal power and tyranny: they give assent to whomever they believe will best enact their will unto others, thus forcing their will on the world while avoiding either the responsibility or difficulty of enacting it themselves, or the distancing themselves from the moral quandary of forcing their will on others so long as it is done through someone else's power and justified by someone else's authority. Meanwhile, the one who accumulates power through presenting themselves as the one to enact any type of change eventually consolidates enough control that they may either enforce their will, even contrary to the grand majority, or indulge in any degree of corruption as they feel with profit them or indulge their desires. By the time anyone realizes what has happened, most are already to apathetic to care so long as they skate by unnoticed, while others give license for it to continue so long as their will is at least mostly carried out. This then is Orwells mistake in the book: tyranny does not arise because people "let" it happen, it arises because people *want* it to happen, so long as it is a tyranny they can convince themselves they agree with."
M: "That's uh...that's quite a way to look at the human beings-"
K: "Formed by my deep studies into the topic on Nostramo."
M: "Alright, but...well, based on this, I'm willing to bet you've had the same thoughts as me..."
K: "If it is regarding our father and his quest for a united galaxy under his rule, one with all religiosity stamped down and his will being the absolute and final word on a given subject- in other words, claiming to be a mere man as he said to Lorgar, yet wielding what can only be described as divine authority over truth itself- then I would assume that yes, I have been having similar thoughts."
M: "Rights...I'll give the old man this, he's smart, he's got quite the vision for a galaxy where all the bells and whistles are all greased up, and he knows his way around a battlefield...but..."
K: "But there's no getting around the fact that if anyone else talked and acted as he does, you would have beheaded him and destroyed his government long ago, and while his power is great, you cannot help but conclude serving him makes you an agent of the very tyranny you claimed to be against."
M: "Stay out of my head psyker!"
K: "I needed no probing nor vision to see it. Again, it is as easy to read as your favorite book."
M: "Yea well...what do you think about all of this?"
K: "I serve the cause of justice. I am an agent of terror that falls upon the criminal, the wayward, and the foolish. My quest is not the same as yours, so I suppose I shouldn't have the same problem."
M: "I feel a 'but' coming on..."
K: "But there is a contradiction that had been gnawing at the back of my brain. From what I have seen, the emperor's vision and planning seems perfect. Flawless. We win victory after victory over system, subsector, and sector, often with minimal difficulty. Yet by his own confession, he is but a man. And all men, all humans, are united in this: they are flawed, their perspective warping their perception and reason. It thus follows that in ways we cannot yet grasp, there are flaws to his system, flaws we cannot see, yet which are very real, and if left unchecked, could do incalculable damage."
M: "...About those visions..."
K: "This conversation cannot leave this room."
M: "Fine, now make like a drunken Leman and spill it."
You really just decided to walk into this comments section and drop an awesome conversation between these two, I clap my two hands to this
so when you are joining the voxcast writing team bc that was incredible and incredibly on brand
This was fooking dope!!!
I have never seen anyone write kurze insightful or as put together as this. i need to read his books to see how this stacks up.
I will beg OP on my goddam knees to make this a script
Honestly Morty exploding like that, is understandable. Big E didn't even bring the deadbeat to Morty so he could kill him.
"He robbed me of my final vengeance. He robbed Angron of his final stand. He robbed Perturabo of his first passion. And he robbed Lorgar of his last church. Some father of the year he is."
TL;DR; The Emperor was a horrible, biased father.
@@freudlindell6343 Even some of the loyalists have massive daddy issues. Jaghatai saw the Emperor as a tyrant and only stayed loyal to him because he thought Chaos was even worse.
Morty has a point.
Big E robbed most of his sons of their absolutions or needed justification of why he did things
Golden goose just said "Hey Im your father, I dont care of your problems now, join my crusade."
Also I need some of that Caliban green if it make a freaking Primarch trip the hell out! Hot DAMN!
Oh No! I just realised! It's the three! The three curbstomped on Istvaan V!
Oh shit!? I just realized it too!
It is the threes!
Morty made some valid points honestly. Papa E should have let Angron die or at least kept him in stasis till they figured it out. Mortarion should have been the one to strike the killing blow with his father’s help. He should have been more open and honest with Lorgar and Magnus about the shit that was truly happening. He should have been there to tell Perturabo “Remember that despite the lack of glory you get, I will never forget and I am proud of you.” I get why it doesn’t happen but it may have gone a long way to helping the Primarchs get closer with their father.
Corvus Corax is GOLD😂 and morty being serious for once is a good change up from the usual pace of just toxic comic relief lol. In a way, he isn't wrong. But I love Ferrus, so I find it hard to ever be against Ferrus, especially this one
“That fake-ass Fabio-Jesus”😂😂 I love this Mortarion
“Fake-ass Fabio Jesus”
*choking in VIII*
Mortarion: Spits fact about how shit the emperor is
Also Mortarion: Attacks his brothers when they're trying to share something nice with each other and him
Between that and his hateboner for Psykers, I just can not get on with the guy.
He did spend his upbringing being tortured by psykers; I don't blame Morty for having PTSD, just wish there was a primark sized psychiatrist to help sort him out
@@alongfortheride1016 The ironic thing is that was probably supposed to be Angron.
@@Mister-ThirteenVery right about that. And then the Nails where put in his skull.
I actually really like this portrayal for those first two points. He's a crude ass, but he's also carrying more trauma than many of his brothers that never gets addressed. He's in a downward spiral partially of his own making, stewing in bitterness over his lack of closure and feeling that the Emperor conned him (which he kind of did, betting Mortarion in a race kill a guy at the top of a mountain when he had a ship and Morty had to hike), but he's also too set in his ways to reach out for help. This is the most open and vulnerable he's been since these videos have started and he left before any actual progress could be made. I like him because the contrast makes it understandable that the others don't listen to him while adding depth beyond him being just the guy who wrote slam poetry about wanting to bang Roboute's mother out of spite for a lecture on tax rates.
My head canon is now the salamanders eat molten rocks and fried chicken.
"My little trash goblin." 😂 I mean, he's not wrong. Edit: and the Emperor confirmed 10,000 years later that Mortarion constantly smelt like shit from day one
Ah yes, even now the tts fandom rises from the ashes 😂😂
@@blackstripes0812 ALFABUSA STANDS!
@@douglasbabb1725 ALFABUSA LIVES *STOMP STOMP*
I like how ferrus stayed humble when morty was complaining about having a hard upbringing
Damn, Morty got real down hard and serious. I love it. No lies spoken.
perfect balance of humor & intriguing dialog vox cast from no where you've done it again. Thanks for the great art!
I like how Ferrus is always the mediator
Its times like this I remember that the Emperor basically goaded Morty into fighting his stepdad before he was really ready to do so. Basically having to throw his planet under the Big E banner because he failed. Failed to free his people.
Mortarion suffered needlessly and though it was of his own volition at the time, he did it because it was personal to him. he was manipulated to fight for Necare until he saw through what he had been taught, and manipulated by the Emperor afterwards. he was willing to die on Barbarus if it meant freeing the people and ending things how they began. the Emperor walked in with hacks turned on and one shot Necare off-handedly before swooping in to "save" him. after, his lungs were burned, after he had to resort to using the chemicals of his home planet to breathe and sustain him both by choice and cruel reminder of his failures.
We need to get to the part where konrad goes rogue and starts schizo posting in VC
Vulkan spent a majority of time with Ferrus before he was given his legion, and these videos really showcase the brotherhood that the two could have truly had. If only Ferrus wasn't so hard headed... Love the videos bro!
A stoned Corvus Corax....now I've heard it all.
I love how sassy Mortarion is
These are getting very good. Speaking of which, I would love to see a similar argument between Girlyman and Argrymon. With Guilliman's home world resembling Rome in its prime while that hellworld of slavery that Angron had the shit luck of landing on was Rome in its dying days with injustice ripe. Id love to see them getting into a heated discussion about their lives. Maybe Guilliman meantioning soemthing about "Struggle." Getting into the "What do you know about struggle, Perfect son?"
Rome actually had a ton of slaves during the republic. They had to put down some big slave revolts before Caesar, one of which his fellow triumvirate member, Crassus, was responsible for putting down.
Ah, an interesting fact. Not to say Macragge had slavery.😅
I'm assuming your referencing Betrayer? Absolutely my favourite book. Shame that didn't have a back and forth.
@@Spirultimavery. Loved that book.
@@michelveilleux2075for all we know their "slavery" is debt like modern day. Since Girlyman loves his bureacracy.
What I love about this series is how, even among the memes, you manage to humanize these test-tube demigods way better than the books have.
Bros, I think the horus heresy is around the corner? Bros? You know because Vulcan Ferris and corax so all together now. Yeah bad signs.
Stallone as Ferrus is A1 😂
Finally someone else who caught that🤣
can we get a segment of Corvus and Lion stoned out of their minds together and the rest of the brothers doing their best not to laugh
Morty chose to speak facts instead of his love for melons
After this and Lorgar I can see how this series is going.....
I’m surprised that Manus has such a taste for food. He seems like the kind of guy that would live off packet MRE’s and tinned gruel.
He is primarily an artisan, and though he is stubborn to the point of irrational he isn’t stupid about it and making it a core part of his personality. Perturabo would be the one who only ate MREs and tin-cans if only to spite himself.
@@candersson60yeah he’s just more on the pragmatic side with art Like make a heavily ornate sword when it can be more practical with some ornamentation
If morty talked like this in canon, he'd easily be my favorite character
FABIO JESUS! Absolutely cut me in half. Hilarious!
And this is why I'm proud to be a DG fan. The sad part is that Morty's not wrong, it's just his brothers won't listen.
He’s petulant AF. It takes a special kind of loser to be designed by a near god and blessed with power beyond our wildest imaginations and still come out with such a victim complex. Typical traitor L.
I'd love to have more episodes like this, where the Primarchs voice their grievances with the Emperor. It's genuinely great to see.
Can't wait to see Pert, Morty, Logar, and Angron talk about their issues with dear old dad together. Brotherly bonding in a twisted way.
Solid episode! I love to see Vulken and Corax getting more screen time. I wish Mortarion could could release that anger and bond with his brothers. Can’t wait to see if there’s more of the first and second captans.
If I get Sevatar talking shit I will cry with joy and laughter
@@BrianHall33 Same!! Throw in some Tu’Shaun, Helbrecht depending on the timeline and hell Dante I’d Love to see.
@BrianHall33 then have kharn sitting there internally screaming and just agree ( I know he isn't the first captain, but he is the main guy)
Molten rocks and fried chicken im fucking done 💀
Now I want to see what the hell happened in that brothel that got magnus cursed.
he probably opened his mouth.
Morty has always been my least favourite but damn it was actually kind of sad and noble of him to stand up for his abused brothers. His words are tainted by bitterness, but there's truth to them.
"Hey Dad, you Fucked up my life and treat me like shit, how's the Golden Palace of adoring worshippers going? Well, back to being in a war I never asked for so the Custodes can kiss your ass from here to eternity."
Morty is the kind of guy who would go in the street, recreate the Bruce Willis sign scene from Die Hard 3, (you know the one) and when confronted on why he's doing that would answer: "Because f*ck you and f*ck everyone else".
Honestly the thing i look forward to most, (and i know this isnt mentioned often) is whatever bond magnus and leman had, i know they never saw eye to eye, they had huge differences but when it came time to burn prospero leman tried everything to get magnus to surrender and come back with him to terra, but chaos interfered and magnus never even got his messages. I'd love to see a moment where even if they argue. Leman shows he cares about his little brother
(Even though i swear magnus is meant to be like the second largest primarch)
Corvis Corax as John Wick is fucking brilliant. Corvis Corax stoned is fucking brilliant. This whole video became fucking brilliant just for having Corvis Corax talk!
I like this slow deterioration of the brothers
A jokey yet legitimate way on how the traitor primarchs hate big E
All jokes aside, Mortarion has a point
So thats why the lion was in a coma he hit that legendary loud and got knocked the fuck out
Molten rocks and Fried Chicken looks like Vulcan will love it 👌
Corvus: can i bring the caliban green?
Ferrus: sure corvus.
I like how the non insane primarchs actually can interact with each other like family.
Hol up, you gotta do a backstory episode about the brothel thing,i gotta know if corax was there like "yeah sure man, whatever ill go" or if hes like "lets get some BITCHES"
knowing magnus, he probably entered the brothel by mistake looking for a library or something in the eye of terror or just wanted to act cool in front of his brothers, and corvus just happened to be with him
1:30
My sides have been sent into orbit, lol.
If The Emperor didn't kill Barbarous Teran, we could have third lost primarch
Oh how I adore a stoned papa crow. It just feels… right.
The change in tone from Morty when he says “it was my kill” is absolutely fantastic.
More Corvus please, I adore him
so the big crow is social when stoned , ferrus is basicly "dad" of the group and Vulcan holds to his nice character
"Jungle cats got that unholy marry staking it up good" that took me out 😂
And the seeds of treason is in the air. But Morty does have a good point. The Emperor is like Grand Regant Thragg; A warmonger who sees his children only as tools, and punishes them when they question him.
I'm legit curious what food that the other Primarchs eat. Part 2 perhaps?
Russ and Khan would be too easy
Hey man , he let him call him father he aint the one that was pushing for that , he considered himself as creator and their supreme commander first and foremost. They all had their duty to humanity , not to contemplate their own desires.
@@cncmne7404 I'm just saying, most of the heresy wouldn't have happened if he didn't screwed those Primarchs specifically over.
@@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677Screwed over? Aight i can understand Angron and Mortarion to a very small degree but Perturabo? Why do people think he should have built the palace , why is he so special? Dorn was better and got the job. Lorgar was already a mess. If anything the Emperor was lenient , all other religious zealots would have been killed and he was warned multiple times and nothing , he would not change his mind. God told him he wasnt god and yet he still called him god. So harsher judgement was cast. He could have easily been cencored like the 2 and 11. Magnus was warned about his arrogance and his reckless use of the warp , even before the Emperor . The high scholar on Prospero warned about delving deep into the Warp and he would not stop. Not to mention all the suffering the loyal ones went through , like Vulcan and Corvus.
So when Corvus wandered in and left during Bobby G talking about taxes, he was zooted tf out on Caliban Green? It all makes sense now! 🤣
Morty: Sorry I’m so hateful and treasonous I didn’t get to grow up in luxury
Sanguinius, Vulkan, Lion and Russ: *grew up on literal death worlds*
Mortarion actually feels real.
After all the toxic jokes and comments he made, he has real vindication about why he and the others act and feel like they do.
Corvus Corax appears
Me: Happy Raven Noises
(Finding out Corvus and me are on the same plane while I was watching this lmao)
True. "Oh yeah, Dad clearly picks favourites but hey, so long as He's happy, Fuck us, right?"
The Traitors were wrong, to do what they did, but a good percentage of them were truly hurt people that needed...I dunno, a talk, some respect anything but either zero concern (Mortarion, Perturabo) or flat out resentment (Angron and Lorgar.)
Fake Fabio Jesus morty has some good zingers here and there 😂lol .
Molten rock and Fried Chicken got me fr🤣🤣🤣
I love the balance of funny and seriousness that can be spin on a dime to either done real well
Morty is out of line.... but damn is he right.
There are a lot of characters in 40k books who say astartes and primarchs would've no future after the Great Crusade. This. This is what they would have. Sharing their home cultures with eachother, discussing WWE and metal bands, playing games together and with their legions, having disagreements and quarrels but always coming together because thet are brothers. Also, imagine all eighteen primarchs and legions, united in bonds of brotherhood and camaraderie, facing against combined forces of all tyranid fleets. This would've been something on level with the War in Heaven.
Damn, I hate Erebus even more now
I was half expecting Morty to say what his favourite dish was.
It's probably revenge, served cold.
Anyway, where's my pizza?
Stoned Corvus voiced by Keanu is something i could watch a whole series of. I dont think my sides would survive tho.
There is more and better story for Ferrus and Corvus in these videos than anything black library has done.
One thing that is guaranteed to get most people passionate about something is their favorite meal.
The Lion has the Caliban Zaza and the Momo Milk.
Sweet Jesus, I love these things. I hope you guys never stop making him. God bless morty
Just realised 2 things. One.
I think this was the most Morty ever opened up to…I guess anybody.
Too bad it was to Ferrus and Vulkan, the two primarchs least likely to understand him. With Corax being stoned into a extrovert, Konrad, Angron Lorgar and Jagathai being not here. For once his rebellious emo vibe would be helpful to bond with Morty.
And two. Excluding Perturabo, and not counting Corax, this was the meeting of primarchs that focus on endurance, strenght, and innovation.
Ferrus, Vulkan, Morty and Perty should make a group chat. They have a lot in common. The difference is their worldview and opinions about Emperor. Altho they all agree he is a dick.
They could call it something cringe like from the 80s like „The Buff Bros.” BB for short, or „The Crafting Crew.” CC
"Tell me it's molten rocks and fried chicken!"
By the man-emperor, my sides...
Didnt expect that one lol
Corvus being keanu reeves is so fucking fitting
This is fake news, everybody knows Ferris’s favourite meal is sand. Especially his known secret recipe of sandwich.
that caliban chaos infused pot is what made raven raven mutate lol
that fake ass Fabio Jesus XD Man I laughed so hard at this one I nearly shit myself
Oli Margaritas sure is a meal blessed by the Omnissiah - it corsses boundaries between flesh, and metal.
They're gonna play Mario Kart...and that's how the Horus Heresy began!
I think a lot of people forget that primarchs age slowly, like real slow it could of been hundreds of years for most of them before big e comes up, and possibly thousand or more for the later lot, and morty had to be there as one of the last to be picked up, every single little day thinking of his revenge for everything his tyrant had done and he finally gotten it, a chance to either kill the monster or light a spark that will erupt all over his home and let everyone rise up and fight back outside of his resistance a resistance that could of been fighting for a hundred years or more, hundreds dying in it. only for it to be taken away at the last second
Mortarion's world (as in all he knew and understood.) was Barbarus, then for the final struggle and conclusion of his journey to be taken from him, along with his choice. its what made his resentment fester as deep as it did.... imagine any life's work or struggle taken from you in mere moments... imagine that void, that confusion. only to be told to fall in line.
Man now I want a copy of Ferrus’s cookbook
It's so nice for Vulkan to come talking in these conversations!!
First Sanguinius, now Vulkan. I can't wait for Jaghatai Khan join these conversations too!!!
Top notch as usual, @Voxcast To Nowhere.
It was once again hilarious. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
every time i see a new one of these is posted it makes my day, pure serotonin ❤
We need one with Alpharius and Lion, where Alpharius is stoned and thinks Lion knows his secrets, and Lion does but keeps changing the subject.
"My little trash goblin"
Honey, new Primarch lore just dropped!
That was pretty fucking awesome. And true to character! NICE!
I love how it's lion's shit that got fulgrim qnd corvus approval
Molten rocks and fried chicken.
Me, who isn’t even a Mortarion fan, likes this Mortarion.
*"It tastes like Typhon's ballsack!" - Mortarion*
*"And how do you know that?" - Other Primarchs slowly inching away from Mortarion*
I swear the stuff you put out is my favorite 40k media
Ferrus sounds like silvester syallone and i love it!!!!
good vibes on this channel.
These videos give Farris Manas more personality than he has in the actual lore lol