@@WarhammerUniversity Well there is Ollanius Piers (not Pius) in "Saturnine" who faces Angron down (which is an really awesome moment!). It is implied that this is where the myth comes from. Because the Pius (now Ollanius Persson) moment is seen by almost nobody. Which is all in all a nice idea because of the story with big E... if it had been the original story. Now it feels forced because they didnt want to lose the "simple man vs godlike beeing" AND have the Perpetual story.
an Ordinary Human Guardsman who fought alongside with Emperor since the beginning of Unification war, He also Older than the Emperor himself, and yet he still look like an Ordinary Human Guardsman
The Adeptus Costudes may claim that it was one of their's who stood defending the Emperor at that final moment. The Space Marines may vaunt a Terminator of the Imperial Fists as the one who was smote down by Horus on that day. But every Guardsman knows that it was nothing more than a mortal man, clad in flak armor and with Lasgun in hand, that stood defiant before the Warmaster of Chaos. The Last of the Solar Auxilia, and First of the Imperial Guard.
The moment Ollanius Pius got teleported unto the Vengefull Spirit the Glorianna class battleship tilted heavily. Those immense brass balls he carried tilted the ship turned warp rift on itself.
It reminds me a quote about Ollanius Pius that I read years ago. Not sure if I remember it right, but it was something like this: "Some say it was just a second. That it didn't matter that much. But if every inhabitant of the Imperium could provide just one such second, the galaxy would enjoy eternal peace."
For me, and one reason why I collect the guard is summed up by this video. Ordinary humans facing unfathomable odds and horrors with no enhancements, poor equipment and weaponry holding the line and defeating enemies, super human and not, with sheer determination and the power of the human spirit.
GW making him a perpetual feels very backwards "Oh, people really like this character! Let's make him more important by making him immortal and taking part in multiple historical events!" The whole point was that he was a nobody, that he was a faceless member of the imperial guard who stood against hell itself in spite of his own mortality and proved stronger of spirit than a literal demigod Sure, a perpetual giving up his immortality has some weight to it, but how could he have known that he was giving it up by facing Horus
While I hate what Geedubs has done to our boy, my personal head-canon for why he's a perpetual is the same reason the Emperor is a God standing against the universe despite his life support failing for thousands of years: the Orks believe he is. Ollanius Pius is on so many banners, so the Orks know his face. If all dese humies consider him such a great person, then clearly he must be a super humie and would be be a great foight, just like that Empruh theys always yappin about.
My only thing is....they make nothing of his experiences and it's kinda lame modern canon but here me out...would the orks respect a humie who stood between the equivalent of Gork and Mork and trying to fight Mork while Gork is recovering to strike back?
@@stonemanofgardnerville1162 hell yeah then would, it's not stopping a fight, it's prolonging it. can you imagine only one orc god? who would they fight?
I never liked the perpetual thing..i always felt it was an allegorical story...he will die painfully, but the emperor gained just that second. His savior was in need and all was given by a man with nothing to lose except his species survival in a uncaring galaxy...so hold the line till the planet crumbles for that is what pious would do. And in some ways did
You know what other piece of fictional midia bolsters the human spirit? Berserk, i'm an huge fan of both Warhammer 40k and Berserk, as a matter of fact, they are my top 2 favorite pieces of fictional midia, Berserk being number 1 and Warhammer number 2, a few years ago I was going thru some extremely dark times in my life and i'm not ashamed to say, what stopped me from commiting, you know, "sue side", was Berserk, and not only that, most importantly(IMO) it has helped me to be more capable to help others when they are going thru dark times themselves, never forget, we live in a world that the sun always rises again
If there was something that the Bible teached me well is that more people should be like Jacob and willing to throw fists with a God if his cause is just, even if it means getting your body completely broken.
Not a dedicated fan, never played the tabletop, but have picked up lore through the Internet. Don't understand the thought that the emperor would be able to heal if the throne was turned off. Even being a perpetual, being hit by chaos undivided should leave permanent damage.
i genuinely did not care about him being a perpetual. i like the aspect of him being there since long ago and his final confrontation against horus ended him as though he were just a man. his perpetual aspect didnt elevate him higher than others, it simply let he last long enough to see his conclusion. Man or Perpetual, he stared down the infinite darkness manifest and did not move.
Ye but it takes this "defiance proven" trait from humanity. Lorewise if guardsmen knew about Pius and suddenly realised that it was some immortal being then it'd take a part of what's being a guardsmen from them. Never underestimate importance and infuence of propaganda on other people's character you might end up with a bunch of broken husks in the wrong moment.
@@tim6265 Ye in the same sense as spacemarine and guardsmen are the same because they are the military force of the imperium. Because you know, he didn't died he rebirthed.
I find that those who dislike the "retcon" for the fact that they made him a perpetual may be missing the point just slightly, they didnt really retcon anything, we heard a short blurb about a guardsman standing up to horus. cool we like that, but turns out "we" like the citizens of the imperium were fed a machination of two stories. The first is of Ollanius Pius standing his ground at a banner while Daemon Angron charged down the street before breaking into the palace and annihilated him. THE SECOND, of a perpetual named Ollanius Person who had befriended the Emperor back in the caves of old Earth and helped him build his empire as a the first Warmaster before trying to kill him out of differential ideals only for him to serve as the courier for the weapon that would be instrumental in the Emperor destroying Horus... the story of the guardsman was a mashing together so that the mortal soldiers who survived the siege could feel that they were instrumental at the very end. Which in an amazing way they were even despite the tale meant to hide the idea of perpetuals n all that shit... across the entire series i find the discovery of the truth even better than the false story of Ollanius Pius... but i get it, and i think thats dope as fuck that we kind of got both of what everyone would have wanted. A guardsman simply holding his ground against annihilation with no greater will making him more powerful An old man coming to try and help his old friend defeat the incarnation of focused chaos Also Ollanius Person being a perpetual didn't do shit for his life in the end, Horus killed him so hard he wasn't revived or anything, obliterated all his lives in one swipe of his claws. anyways as you can clearly tell with no sarcasm on my end that i am not that invested anyway (i am)
@isaacclarke3271 My character was an emperor himself all that time and he casts lightings of retribution from his ass and the throne was occupied by eleventh primarch all that time, unmake me. Gw are sorta dm's of warhammer narrative. You can make up whatever you want but if you suddenly change basics of the world or mood of the game story, let alone bits that people cherished, because you want new people at the table, your current players probably won't like it, and the reason why they show their dislike is because they are already invested their recourses in your work. Before you could explain guard in just one of those deeds. The problem of perpetual is not an existence of immortal being in the universe. Billions upon billions gave what little they have including their relatively short lives full of training drills and rotting in trenches. It was a cultural proof that no matter what, the guard will stand in the face of dangers facing the imperium. Those are deeds ripped off from the guard common folk, false fame to deceive you into submission. Common folk crave honesty from higher ups for their sacrafises and gw turned this honesty into lies. It looks like someone just wanted to have a stolen valor oc. People didn't got what they wanted, someone just ruined what they already had.
If you believe yet another ridiculous retcon of him. By that logic, you should believe he didn't exist and it was a Blood Angel terminator or a Custodes who faced Horus instead. No. Ollanius Pius is, and shall forever be, a mortal man.
This video explains perfectly the reason I believe He shouldn't have been retconned as a perpetual
Exactly my reason for making it, I can't stand what they have done with his character.
Yeah it takes away from a mere mortal standing up to a God.
Ehhh a perpetual trading his known eternal life has some weight.
But there is a certain universal appeal for a mortal to give up his life as well
For me, it makes the sacrifice that much greater.
@@WarhammerUniversity Well there is Ollanius Piers (not Pius) in "Saturnine" who faces Angron down (which is an really awesome moment!). It is implied that this is where the myth comes from. Because the Pius (now Ollanius Persson) moment is seen by almost nobody. Which is all in all a nice idea because of the story with big E... if it had been the original story.
Now it feels forced because they didnt want to lose the "simple man vs godlike beeing" AND have the Perpetual story.
I prefer him as mere normal mortal. A cannon fodder soldier with balls bigger than Horus bald head.
I'm gonna ignore he's a Perpetual to me he was an Ordinary Human Guardsman. Doing his duty to his Emperor. To his galaxy. To his people.
Indeed!
i hate what they did to him and the emperor.
@@vermin9190 Same!
an Ordinary Human Guardsman who fought alongside with Emperor since the beginning of Unification war, He also Older than the Emperor himself, and yet he still look like an Ordinary Human Guardsman
It's just the Imperium who named this unknown soldier and gave him a background but no one really knows for sure except Big E.
The Adeptus Costudes may claim that it was one of their's who stood defending the Emperor at that final moment.
The Space Marines may vaunt a Terminator of the Imperial Fists as the one who was smote down by Horus on that day.
But every Guardsman knows that it was nothing more than a mortal man, clad in flak armor and with Lasgun in hand, that stood defiant before the Warmaster of Chaos. The Last of the Solar Auxilia, and First of the Imperial Guard.
Nothing is more powerful and meaningful than a mere man standing before a god in defiance.
The moment Ollanius Pius got teleported unto the Vengefull Spirit the Glorianna class battleship tilted heavily. Those immense brass balls he carried tilted the ship turned warp rift on itself.
I thought they were ceramite.
@@omathitis8498their made of both materials with a very rare material imbued in them. This material is known as Chadmium.
It reminds me a quote about Ollanius Pius that I read years ago. Not sure if I remember it right, but it was something like this:
"Some say it was just a second. That it didn't matter that much. But if every inhabitant of the Imperium could provide just one such second, the galaxy would enjoy eternal peace."
What an awesome and inspirational quote!
The pop on that FUCKING in. Holds the fucking line. 🙌🤌👍
For me, and one reason why I collect the guard is summed up by this video. Ordinary humans facing unfathomable odds and horrors with no enhancements, poor equipment and weaponry holding the line and defeating enemies, super human and not, with sheer determination and the power of the human spirit.
Kinda like the Empire from Warhammer Fantasy
GW making him a perpetual feels very backwards
"Oh, people really like this character! Let's make him more important by making him immortal and taking part in multiple historical events!"
The whole point was that he was a nobody, that he was a faceless member of the imperial guard who stood against hell itself in spite of his own mortality and proved stronger of spirit than a literal demigod
Sure, a perpetual giving up his immortality has some weight to it, but how could he have known that he was giving it up by facing Horus
Bro David Attenborough telling the story of ollanius pius is golden.
While I hate what Geedubs has done to our boy, my personal head-canon for why he's a perpetual is the same reason the Emperor is a God standing against the universe despite his life support failing for thousands of years: the Orks believe he is. Ollanius Pius is on so many banners, so the Orks know his face. If all dese humies consider him such a great person, then clearly he must be a super humie and would be be a great foight, just like that Empruh theys always yappin about.
My only thing is....they make nothing of his experiences and it's kinda lame modern canon but here me out...would the orks respect a humie who stood between the equivalent of Gork and Mork and trying to fight Mork while Gork is recovering to strike back?
@@stonemanofgardnerville1162 hell yeah then would, it's not stopping a fight, it's prolonging it.
can you imagine only one orc god? who would they fight?
Truly, the Imperial Guard Made Manifest.
... The Commissar is pleased! 😎🤘
That f bomb is a "chief kiss"
I never liked the perpetual thing..i always felt it was an allegorical story...he will die painfully, but the emperor gained just that second. His savior was in need and all was given by a man with nothing to lose except his species survival in a uncaring galaxy...so hold the line till the planet crumbles for that is what pious would do.
And in some ways did
Let's not forget that one Terminator.
It all mattered.
Stand your ground against the chaos gods themselves!
"I am the Harbinger"
i mean this legend got teleported onto the Vengeful Spirit murdered everyone then told Horus to lick his balls
I’ve heard that Ollanius was canonically the last catholic in Warhammer, is that true?
If he was then he knows what's up.
Correct, And his last words to his old friend were "Have Faith"
Cringe retcon
Pious sees Horus: I can take him
😆
You know what other piece of fictional midia bolsters the human spirit? Berserk, i'm an huge fan of both Warhammer 40k and Berserk, as a matter of fact, they are my top 2 favorite pieces of fictional midia, Berserk being number 1 and Warhammer number 2, a few years ago I was going thru some extremely dark times in my life and i'm not ashamed to say, what stopped me from commiting, you know, "sue side", was Berserk, and not only that, most importantly(IMO) it has helped me to be more capable to help others when they are going thru dark times themselves, never forget, we live in a world that the sun always rises again
Aren't there two pius's one who fought angron and the perpetual who blasted the shit out of horus
Angron one is changed irc. Lorewise it was a propaganda bit now
If there was something that the Bible teached me well is that more people should be like Jacob and willing to throw fists with a God if his cause is just, even if it means getting your body completely broken.
Yeah!
YEAH!!!
Not a dedicated fan, never played the tabletop, but have picked up lore through the Internet. Don't understand the thought that the emperor would be able to heal if the throne was turned off. Even being a perpetual, being hit by chaos undivided should leave permanent damage.
i genuinely did not care about him being a perpetual. i like the aspect of him being there since long ago and his final confrontation against horus ended him as though he were just a man. his perpetual aspect didnt elevate him higher than others, it simply let he last long enough to see his conclusion. Man or Perpetual, he stared down the infinite darkness manifest and did not move.
Ye but it takes this "defiance proven" trait from humanity. Lorewise if guardsmen knew about Pius and suddenly realised that it was some immortal being then it'd take a part of what's being a guardsmen from them. Never underestimate importance and infuence of propaganda on other people's character you might end up with a bunch of broken husks in the wrong moment.
but he was also a guardsmen
@@tim6265 Ye in the same sense as spacemarine and guardsmen are the same because they are the military force of the imperium. Because you know, he didn't died he rebirthed.
@@tim6265 i shouldn't have dig for that. Now it's just idiotism. Have your opinion I don't care anymore
@@ffs-forfunsake6474 okay have a good one!
I find that those who dislike the "retcon" for the fact that they made him a perpetual may be missing the point just slightly, they didnt really retcon anything, we heard a short blurb about a guardsman standing up to horus. cool we like that, but turns out "we" like the citizens of the imperium were fed a machination of two stories. The first is of Ollanius Pius standing his ground at a banner while Daemon Angron charged down the street before breaking into the palace and annihilated him. THE SECOND, of a perpetual named Ollanius Person who had befriended the Emperor back in the caves of old Earth and helped him build his empire as a the first Warmaster before trying to kill him out of differential ideals only for him to serve as the courier for the weapon that would be instrumental in the Emperor destroying Horus... the story of the guardsman was a mashing together so that the mortal soldiers who survived the siege could feel that they were instrumental at the very end. Which in an amazing way they were even despite the tale meant to hide the idea of perpetuals n all that shit... across the entire series i find the discovery of the truth even better than the false story of Ollanius Pius... but i get it, and i think thats dope as fuck that we kind of got both of what everyone would have wanted.
A guardsman simply holding his ground against annihilation with no greater will making him more powerful
An old man coming to try and help his old friend defeat the incarnation of focused chaos
Also Ollanius Person being a perpetual didn't do shit for his life in the end, Horus killed him so hard he wasn't revived or anything, obliterated all his lives in one swipe of his claws.
anyways as you can clearly tell with no sarcasm on my end that i am not that invested anyway (i am)
The perpetual thing is dumb
@@BoboyMagdalera unmake me
@isaacclarke3271 My character was an emperor himself all that time and he casts lightings of retribution from his ass and the throne was occupied by eleventh primarch all that time, unmake me. Gw are sorta dm's of warhammer narrative. You can make up whatever you want but if you suddenly change basics of the world or mood of the game story, let alone bits that people cherished, because you want new people at the table, your current players probably won't like it, and the reason why they show their dislike is because they are already invested their recourses in your work.
Before you could explain guard in just one of those deeds. The problem of perpetual is not an existence of immortal being in the universe. Billions upon billions gave what little they have including their relatively short lives full of training drills and rotting in trenches. It was a cultural proof that no matter what, the guard will stand in the face of dangers facing the imperium. Those are deeds ripped off from the guard common folk, false fame to deceive you into submission. Common folk crave honesty from higher ups for their sacrafises and gw turned this honesty into lies. It looks like someone just wanted to have a stolen valor oc. People didn't got what they wanted, someone just ruined what they already had.
Despite of the fact that that he is not mere mortal. )
If you believe yet another ridiculous retcon of him. By that logic, you should believe he didn't exist and it was a Blood Angel terminator or a Custodes who faced Horus instead.
No. Ollanius Pius is, and shall forever be, a mortal man.
His story has been retconned so many times, I'm sticking with the version(s) where he is or basically is.
For someone who isn’t mortal, he sure is dead like one.
Whitebeard did it better
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