We were deciding between 3 and Y RWD and went with Model Y RWD because (at that time) it was only 800€ more. And considering that Y RWD comes with premium audio system, tinted windows (both which the 3 RWD doesn't have) and a lot more practicality the choice was easy
Thanks for doing this video! We chose the Y because of the boot. The car gets four people, a dog and luggage in it with ease. Guardsman do a dog guard and boot divider for it so makes the boot even more useful. I’ve also noticed how long the battery takes to heat through.
Richard, you hit on everything that was practically unbeatable about both cars. You also touched on the great Supercharger network, but for me, as a VW ID3 driver, it's the software [well it was bound to be] which is streets ahead of anything else, and a country mile ahead of my VW. And oh, that efficiency. I can comfortably reach it, but not sustain it throughout the year. This coming weekend, for Fully Charged Live, my Netherlands buddy is coming over to the UK to rub his particular TM3 Std in my face. And I'm actually looking forward to it. 😁
Totally believable figures. My 36 month (to the exact day) average for a 36k miles M3 (pre heat-pump) is 216 Wh/mile - in 4-season UK weather. In the summer greater than 5.25 miles per kWh is absolutely normal so long as you stick to max 65mph. This really comes into its own if you're ever stuck with only slow charger options (mostly in rural areas) - the ability to eke out those extra miles when level 2 charging is a great advantage, and makes it, as you say, a really economical vehicle.
I wonder if the consumption numbers here are from the cars GOM or the AC chargers including loss and heating? As the LFP do not like the cold, I would assume the SR+ do quite some conditioning even on AC to allow some recuperating. I.e the old Kia/Hyundai with high-cobalt NMC 622 cells only heated seldomly in sub-zero conditions, allowing +50kW recuperation when frozen. While the new Niro EV (likely Kona too) seems to heat the (NMC 811 chemistry?) pack on AC always to around 20°C. This should lead to noticeable differences in true running cost in colder climates region.
Perfect video for me - I've recently put down an order for a Model Y RWD - it's useful to know how close it is to a Model 3 - obviously it isn't going to match, it is a bigger car after all, but not bad for a big car. The space is needed more so it is the Y for me even if the 3 is more fun to drive.
That is bloody impressive. I have a Model 3 LR and average 161Wh/km (257Wh/mi). And I have 60% highway, mainly going 110-130kmh, never more. The SR are very good options if one is not doing very long distance all the time. And frankly even for that they are sufficient. The LR ha sbetter audio and some small other addons but in general the SR are the best deal.
Thanks for the video. Key differences between the model 3 and Y, that influenced my decision for sure, were the much better handling of the model 3 plus better performance. Practically is also important but I think efficiency would rarely influence somebody's decision between the model 3 and Y.
This is really useful Richard thank you. I get 4.5 from my Kona and probably drive more slowly and more short trips than you so it's reassuring that these would hold up nicely as a replacement.
Importantly, residuals are better on the Y and its cheaper to insure. So its cheaper to lease and even cheaper to salary sacrifice. Difference for me was 80 quid a month cheaper for the Y, fully insured.
In New Zealand and we have one of each, both with 60kW LFP. the M3 has done 47,000 km at 133 Wh/km and the MY has done 23,400 km at 153 Wh/km. both without wheel covers on and the MY does more fast highway driving than the M3.
We're in a mountainous region of NZ and have achieved 143Wh/km with the Y in the six warmer months since we've had it. The efficiency going up and down the mountains is astonishing.
I have my MY since march , and I average less than 14kWh/100km for about 3500km - I am light footed though (really appreciate the wink to us europeans using kWh/100km Simon, thanks)
I’d personally still choose a model 3 over a model Y all day long,it’s more efficient,the ride is smoother, and it’s slightly less expensive,will be interesting to see how much more efficient the new model 3 will be when it comes out later in the year,thanks RSEV 👍😉💪
My model y 72 plate RWD LFP, done about 6k miles at an average of 198WH per mile and max speed stuck at 65MPH, Local driving not slow either always go past the traffic at green lights. The real world is getting about 240 to 250 miles every time. Excellent car
Wow 138wh/km! My M3 LR from 2019 has averaged 184wh/km. I mean ok I don’t hang around on the Autobahn. I remember being in a 4 car convoy doing 200kmh one early morning for about an hour and was still only using 200wh/km. 151wh/km is still very impressive and I think moving to the the MY to save about €1000 a year in payments is probably a good choice I’ve made.
The reason those batteries don’t heat up quickly is because there is only one motor in the car. The dual motor cars will run both motors inefficiently to create extra waste heat to heat the battery quicker.
The sr model y charges quicker than the sr model 3 at 240v. 9.4 hours for MY vs 10.4 hours for M3. So doesn’t that make Model Y sr more energy & cost efficient ? Or did u already factor in charging speed to conclude that m3 is more efficient?
Oh man…. I’ve had MY LR since September. Only getting 282 Wh/mi. That lifetime efficient in the MY RWD looks so good. May be I should have gone for a RWD…… 😢
Another super comparison video. I am looking at buying a model 3. Choice between AWD LR and the new RWD LR that is available for business customers. I understand this variant is the LR with the front motor removed. Everything else is just standard LR including audio. They are quoting a range of 394 miles compared to 374 for the standard LR. It is £5k cheaper at 46k and seems a good option business use. Any thoughts ?
The new sodium batteriers from catl should be a lot better in the cold and have 200wh /kg vs 125 wh/kg lfp battery in the tesla . Hopefully they are comming soon !
You're mixing performance data from cells and packs. CATL is *promising* approaching 200Wh/kg from the CELL. Then you must consider *volumetric density* . Sodium weights 3× Lithium. . Essentially, extrapolation from headlines is often "inaccurate".
So Mr Symons, your long term Model 3 long range average was 279 Whr/mile. You have a heavy right foot then? All joking aside these comparison reviews and general information videos are really useful for prospective EV buyers. I bought mine after a reassuring chat with you nearly two years ago now. Loving my M3 LR.
My Y was always about 279 but my 3 long range we run here has averaged 256wh/mi over the last 7k miles. Pretty good. On a run it’s often down to nearer 200 wh/mi
2:13 shows the mudflaps in action. I couldn’t see what difference not having them would make. With regards to projected range, I have achieved 200 miles in a Renault Zoe 52kW battery. On the Zoe owner’s club forum, there was a 200 Club thread. So 205 miles in a much more expensive car with a bigger battery .l.. hmmmmmm
The A in CDxA is significant. I’m not sure if AC home preconditioning of my LFP M3 RWD is at all effective. Maybe the alternative chemistry is better in this respect.
My Sep-21 SR+ LFP has recorded 245 wh/mile in 16.700 miles. That figure will come down now summer is approaching. According to to TeslaFi the battery has been filled with 4,899.56 kWh giving a 293 wh/mile, however the car has consumed 5,239.53 kWh since new, giving a 313 wh/mile actual energy consumed! Using the 245 wh/mile figure over 16,700 miles then the energy outputted by the batteries is 4,091 kWh. Therefore the batteries have consumed 19% of the energy (approximately 10% to charge and 10% to discharge). Overall the car looses 28% of the energy supplied from the grid in charging losses, etc. People should take these loses into account, along with the higher peak costs of Octopus GO/IO, when calculating pence/mile running costs.
Really enjoyed the video and having owned a model three SR+ and now a model Y LR, the efficiency of the SR plus is epic. To drive they are very different cars and the model 3 is More driver focused and the y is more practical, but both are proper GTs. The only thing I think maybe different between the LF P3 and the LFPY is the hi-fi? I stand to be corrected and I could not clarify myself, but I think the three does not have an active Sub and fewer connected speakers. But the LFPY does have these as standard?
You are correct. Model Y LFP has better hi-fi than Model 3 SR+ LFP. However Model 3 LR and Performance have improved audio system which Model Y has in standard
Interesting. Our model 3 SR+ 2021 LFP has averaged 135 KW/100 KLM in Athens. The temperature/weather difference between Athens and the UK appears to be only 0.03 KW/100 KLM after 2 winters and 1 summer. It will probably be a bit better by September but that’s a much smaller difference than I would have expected.
Hello. Thank you for this informative videos . Im thinking to buy my first electric car. I really like model X . With my budget i can get 2017- 2019 model X 100D. I did test drive 2 different teslas model X and both of them had rattling when i accelerated between 30-60mph. It it expensive to fix?
Did you verify that both cars have the same motor? The M3 could have been equipped with the older 3D5 motor. Back then it was not always paired with the newer 3D7 as the Model Y.
Completely agree on LFP battery getting up to temp. Have noticed limited regen all week. And totally agree on general efficiency. 28K Km with 153Wh/100KM. This also translates to solar storage LFP batteries. 5kWh in my attic did not perform well in winter at all over the first winter I have had them. Very noticeable particularly on charge. Think it’s just the chemistry.
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Question is if both cars had the same motor installed?
Too much Tesla content to be taken seriously as an impartial EV channel now. If that’s the way it’s planned to be, then fine - I’ll unsubscribe and move on.
I'm guessing that much of their content will come about based on what car stock they have in at the time. I would proffer that a significant volume of their car stock / sales are Teslas. There were a couple of good Mini videos last year - I bought a second hand one off the back of it.
David we are not a professional media channel. We make videos during the course of our daily work. That is vehicle sales and much of our stock is Tesla so that tends to be the most common theme for sure. I’ve been a Tesla owner since 2015 and so lots know me and we were the first professional al independent used Tesla specialist. But I like all eVs. Try to stock a mixture. My wife drives ID3. I have a Taycan. We run 2 Teslas on company fleet.
Less concerns doing that in an EV than an ICE. Just look at the videos of that flooded place in Uk where most cars get stuck but Teslas happily drive through. Admittedly anyone driving through it is silly but that’s besides the point
See "Rufford Ford" videos. For reference, a Nissan Leaf has a wading depth of 700mm. That's better than many 4x4's. I'd be more concerned about door seals holding up.
We were deciding between 3 and Y RWD and went with Model Y RWD because (at that time) it was only 800€ more. And considering that Y RWD comes with premium audio system, tinted windows (both which the 3 RWD doesn't have) and a lot more practicality the choice was easy
This is a much needed, "real world" comparison for many people debating the sportier 3 vs. the roomier Y. Thank you, Richard.
Must admit my MYP is sporty enough and gives me additional practically
If I lived alone, M3 all day, but as a dad, with dog and the need to carry walking aids... The Y is a no brainer for practicality
Wife has had her M3 RWD for 4 months, and done 5500 miles.
Did a trip that day over 202 miles, 167 watts per mile.
Absolutely awesome economy.
Thanks for doing this video! We chose the Y because of the boot. The car gets four people, a dog and luggage in it with ease. Guardsman do a dog guard and boot divider for it so makes the boot even more useful. I’ve also noticed how long the battery takes to heat through.
Richard, you hit on everything that was practically unbeatable about both cars. You also touched on the great Supercharger network, but for me, as a VW ID3 driver, it's the software [well it was bound to be] which is streets ahead of anything else, and a country mile ahead of my VW. And oh, that efficiency. I can comfortably reach it, but not sustain it throughout the year. This coming weekend, for Fully Charged Live, my Netherlands buddy is coming over to the UK to rub his particular TM3 Std in my face. And I'm actually looking forward to it. 😁
I’ll be at fully charged Friday if you’re there then?
@@RSEV We're there Friday.
Can't wait to see what the improved APP550 motor for MEB is capable of.
Totally believable figures. My 36 month (to the exact day) average for a 36k miles M3 (pre heat-pump) is 216 Wh/mile - in 4-season UK weather. In the summer greater than 5.25 miles per kWh is absolutely normal so long as you stick to max 65mph. This really comes into its own if you're ever stuck with only slow charger options (mostly in rural areas) - the ability to eke out those extra miles when level 2 charging is a great advantage, and makes it, as you say, a really economical vehicle.
I wonder if the consumption numbers here are from the cars GOM or the AC chargers including loss and heating? As the LFP do not like the cold, I would assume the SR+ do quite some conditioning even on AC to allow some recuperating. I.e the old Kia/Hyundai with high-cobalt NMC 622 cells only heated seldomly in sub-zero conditions, allowing +50kW recuperation when frozen. While the new Niro EV (likely Kona too) seems to heat the (NMC 811 chemistry?) pack on AC always to around 20°C. This should lead to noticeable differences in true running cost in colder climates region.
Perfect video for me - I've recently put down an order for a Model Y RWD - it's useful to know how close it is to a Model 3 - obviously it isn't going to match, it is a bigger car after all, but not bad for a big car. The space is needed more so it is the Y for me even if the 3 is more fun to drive.
I also have M3 rear wheel drive. Had it for a full year with overall efficiency of 216 WH/M. I usually pre-condition each morning.
That is bloody impressive. I have a Model 3 LR and average 161Wh/km (257Wh/mi). And I have 60% highway, mainly going 110-130kmh, never more. The SR are very good options if one is not doing very long distance all the time. And frankly even for that they are sufficient. The LR ha sbetter audio and some small other addons but in general the SR are the best deal.
Thanks for the video. Key differences between the model 3 and Y, that influenced my decision for sure, were the much better handling of the model 3 plus better performance. Practically is also important but I think efficiency would rarely influence somebody's decision between the model 3 and Y.
Me and my wife liked both cars but went for Model Y because of the higher seating and easier access to the boot. 🙂
This is really useful Richard thank you. I get 4.5 from my Kona and probably drive more slowly and more short trips than you so it's reassuring that these would hold up nicely as a replacement.
Importantly, residuals are better on the Y and its cheaper to insure. So its cheaper to lease and even cheaper to salary sacrifice. Difference for me was 80 quid a month cheaper for the Y, fully insured.
Have been waiting for this type of video 👌 Have the model 3 sr and been thinking of upgrading to the model y sr
In New Zealand and we have one of each, both with 60kW LFP. the M3 has done 47,000 km at 133 Wh/km and the MY has done 23,400 km at 153 Wh/km. both without wheel covers on and the MY does more fast highway driving than the M3.
We're in a mountainous region of NZ and have achieved 143Wh/km with the Y in the six warmer months since we've had it. The efficiency going up and down the mountains is astonishing.
Alwas good to have some up to date comparisons since Teslas improve every year basically. Still super impressed by that efficiency.
I have my MY since march , and I average less than 14kWh/100km for about 3500km - I am light footed though (really appreciate the wink to us europeans using kWh/100km Simon, thanks)
I’d personally still choose a model 3 over a model Y all day long,it’s more efficient,the ride is smoother, and it’s slightly less expensive,will be interesting to see how much more efficient the new model 3 will be when it comes out later in the year,thanks RSEV 👍😉💪
Feet under the seat was the difference for me. That and the hatchback.
My model y 72 plate RWD LFP, done about 6k miles at an average of 198WH per mile and max speed stuck at 65MPH, Local driving not slow either always go past the traffic at green lights. The real world is getting about 240 to 250 miles every time. Excellent car
Wow 138wh/km! My M3 LR from 2019 has averaged 184wh/km. I mean ok I don’t hang around on the Autobahn. I remember being in a 4 car convoy doing 200kmh one early morning for about an hour and was still only using 200wh/km. 151wh/km is still very impressive and I think moving to the the MY to save about €1000 a year in payments is probably a good choice I’ve made.
The model Y has more headroom for adult passengers alike. Another great video & nice review 👍👏
I'm 6'3" and have plenty of headroom in the Model 3. It is lower to the ground though if you find that awkward.
@@NickFoster thank you & thats much appreciated 👍
I’m torn between the 3 and the Y. Thanks for the comparison.
Wait for the refresh model 3, if you can wait. It might make your choice easier.
Thanks for that comparison.
Thanks as deciding which to get.
The reason those batteries don’t heat up quickly is because there is only one motor in the car. The dual motor cars will run both motors inefficiently to create extra waste heat to heat the battery quicker.
You totally forgot the other big difference. The Y is significantly more expensive than the 3 so there's a cost for that practicality.
The sr model y charges quicker than the sr model 3 at 240v. 9.4 hours for MY vs 10.4 hours for M3. So doesn’t that make Model Y sr more energy & cost efficient ? Or did u already factor in charging speed to conclude that m3 is more efficient?
What no one seems to notice is that for those of us, fifty+ of age, getting in and out of the Y is much more pleasant than the 3
Thank you for the great comparison!. I have a question: Is there a difference in turning radius between AWD and RWD models 3 and Y?
Nice comparison,good info!
Oh man…. I’ve had MY LR since September. Only getting 282 Wh/mi. That lifetime efficient in the MY RWD looks so good. May be I should have gone for a RWD…… 😢
Great review mate
Another super comparison video. I am looking at buying a model 3. Choice between AWD LR and the new RWD LR that is available for business customers. I understand this variant is the LR with the front motor removed. Everything else is just standard LR including audio. They are quoting a range of 394 miles compared to 374 for the standard LR. It is £5k cheaper at 46k and seems a good option business use. Any thoughts ?
Great video! Thanks
The new sodium batteriers from catl should be a lot better in the cold and have 200wh /kg vs 125 wh/kg lfp battery in the tesla . Hopefully they are comming soon !
You're mixing performance data from cells and packs.
CATL is *promising* approaching 200Wh/kg from the CELL.
Then you must consider *volumetric density* .
Sodium weights 3× Lithium.
.
Essentially, extrapolation from headlines is often "inaccurate".
So Mr Symons, your long term Model 3 long range average was 279 Whr/mile. You have a heavy right foot then?
All joking aside these comparison reviews and general information videos are really useful for prospective EV buyers. I bought mine after a reassuring chat with you nearly two years ago now. Loving my M3 LR.
My Y was always about 279 but my 3 long range we run here has averaged 256wh/mi over the last 7k miles. Pretty good. On a run it’s often down to nearer 200 wh/mi
I’m really torn between the 3 and the Y. I’ve got two kids and think the 3 would be big enough.
2:13 shows the mudflaps in action. I couldn’t see what difference not having them would make. With regards to projected range, I have achieved 200 miles in a Renault Zoe 52kW battery. On the Zoe owner’s club forum, there was a 200 Club thread. So 205 miles in a much more expensive car with a bigger battery .l.. hmmmmmm
Great video 👍 Thanks…
The A in CDxA is significant. I’m not sure if AC home preconditioning of my LFP M3 RWD is at all effective. Maybe the alternative chemistry is better in this respect.
My Sep-21 SR+ LFP has recorded 245 wh/mile in 16.700 miles. That figure will come down now summer is approaching. According to to TeslaFi the battery has been filled with 4,899.56 kWh giving a 293 wh/mile, however the car has consumed 5,239.53 kWh since new, giving a 313 wh/mile actual energy consumed! Using the 245 wh/mile figure over 16,700 miles then the energy outputted by the batteries is 4,091 kWh. Therefore the batteries have consumed 19% of the energy (approximately 10% to charge and 10% to discharge). Overall the car looses 28% of the energy supplied from the grid in charging losses, etc. People should take these loses into account, along with the higher peak costs of Octopus GO/IO, when calculating pence/mile running costs.
Oh well the music was good.
Always seems to rain when you do these videos lol.
That’s very useful. Thanks. Does the efficiency change as a Tesla gets older and accumulating more km’s? Best regards Martin
Really enjoyed the video and having owned a model three SR+ and now a model Y LR, the efficiency of the SR plus is epic. To drive they are very different cars and the model 3 is More driver focused and the y is more practical, but both are proper GTs. The only thing I think maybe different between the LF P3 and the LFPY is the hi-fi? I stand to be corrected and I could not clarify myself, but I think the three does not have an active Sub and fewer connected speakers. But the LFPY does have these as standard?
You are correct. Model Y LFP has better hi-fi than Model 3 SR+ LFP. However Model 3 LR and Performance have improved audio system which Model Y has in standard
Interesting. Our model 3 SR+ 2021 LFP has averaged 135 KW/100 KLM in Athens. The temperature/weather difference between Athens and the UK appears to be only 0.03 KW/100 KLM after 2 winters and 1 summer. It will probably be a bit better by September but that’s a much smaller difference than I would have expected.
Hello. Thank you for this informative videos .
Im thinking to buy my first electric car. I really like model X . With my budget i can get 2017- 2019 model X 100D.
I did test drive 2 different teslas model X and both of them had rattling when i accelerated between 30-60mph.
It it expensive to fix?
Afternoon mate
6:30 - have you forgotten the efficiency of the 28kWh Ioniq? 🤔
And the 38kwh. 5.7kwh on mine.
... to the point revue 👍🏼
Did you verify that both cars have the same motor? The M3 could have been equipped with the older 3D5 motor. Back then it was not always paired with the newer 3D7 as the Model Y.
Completely agree on LFP battery getting up to temp. Have noticed limited regen all week. And totally agree on general efficiency. 28K Km with 153Wh/100KM.
This also translates to solar storage LFP batteries. 5kWh in my attic did not perform well in winter at all over the first winter I have had them. Very noticeable particularly on charge. Think it’s just the chemistry.
Question is if both cars had the same motor installed?
Does dual motor cars have faster battery heating ?
Isn't this the Model 3 with the old smaller LFP battery?
The 2022 and newer model comes with a battery that's 10% bigger?
Sorry you mention it in the video 😂 amazing efficiency though by both cars.
I know my ioniq is no Tesla but I will stick with my 5.8kwh and 210 miles from full charge. That's with a wltp of 193.
Do all the new model Ys and model 3s come with LFP batteries in the UK? Thanks
Only base models (rwd)
How is fit/finish of German Model Y vs imported Model 3? Cheers from USA!
I don't think there are Berlin Model Ys being made for the European RHD market (UK, Ireland, Cyprus, Malta).
So in both the current test and the lifetime average, the Model 3 is about 9% more efficient.
Why can’t America get LFP model y
Really disappointing you didn’t mention ride comfort
Don't get your hair wet Richard😅
Rainex
Tesla model 3 is not as you say “more aerodynamic “🤦
Model 3 and model y
Both have Drag Coefficient 0.23 🤬
Your statement is a nonsense 👎
But the frontal area is higher so you get more air resistance.
Too much Tesla content to be taken seriously as an impartial EV channel now. If that’s the way it’s planned to be, then fine - I’ll unsubscribe and move on.
I'm guessing that much of their content will come about based on what car stock they have in at the time. I would proffer that a significant volume of their car stock / sales are Teslas. There were a couple of good Mini videos last year - I bought a second hand one off the back of it.
As Teslas are streets ahead of all other EV's in terms of car sales, there's bound to be more Tesla content.
@@hughchilds5888maybe - would just be better if a bit more balanced, that’s all
I’m saying. 🙂
David we are not a professional media channel. We make videos during the course of our daily work. That is vehicle sales and much of our stock is Tesla so that tends to be the most common theme for sure. I’ve been a Tesla owner since 2015 and so lots know me and we were the first professional al independent used Tesla specialist.
But I like all eVs. Try to stock a mixture. My wife drives ID3. I have a Taycan. We run 2 Teslas on company fleet.
Do you feel any difference in ride quality? I hear Y being more harsh, but also I heard that Tesla also revised the suspension recently.
He's selling cars. Don't expect too much criticism! 😉
Why not say Model 3 and Model Y. When concerning the Long Range or Performance just say that.
The weather in this video reminded me of a question I had. Are there any concerns when driving an EV in flood water or deep snow?
Less concerns doing that in an EV than an ICE. Just look at the videos of that flooded place in Uk where most cars get stuck but Teslas happily drive through. Admittedly anyone driving through it is silly but that’s besides the point
See "Rufford Ford" videos. For reference, a Nissan Leaf has a wading depth of 700mm. That's better than many 4x4's.
I'd be more concerned about door seals holding up.
I appreciate the detailed breakdown of efficiency and range differences between the Model Y versions. It's helpful in deciding which one to purchase.