For me the LFP battery is a game changer. It can be 100 percent charged every time, is more rugged, degrades less quickly than the other type batteries, contains fewer of the precious materials, able to receive twice as many charge cycles in its life time. Yes it is heavier for a given capacity but yet again Tesla have shown the way forward.
Also affected by cold weather more too, do nothing for range, and will only be offered in standard range vehicles. The main reason for the switch is profit margins as they are cheaper. Because of their weight, they'll be kept ro shorter range vehicles. They are also not exclusive to Tesla, and you can expect them in ither standard range vehicles in the future. Great that battery tech is moving forward though, the real jump forward will be the Panasonic 4680 cylindrical battery, which can store 5 times as much power as current Teslas can.
LFPs degrade when excessively charged to 100% too. Not as bad as Li Ion, but quite a lot, do your research. The only reason Tesla is suggesting to charge to 100% is so that the BMS knows where is up and down. On LFP, anything below 90% and above 10% is almost exactly the same voltage so unless you do 10-100% charges the BMS is screwed. But 100% is not good for LFPs either. Also, even at 100% charging and almost all DC charging you can still expect maximum 10-12% degradation on Li Ion after 150-200,000km, which is more than most people do in the lifetime of the car... Maybe 5% on LFP, not a difference there.
We are here in Brazil always rooting for your success and that you continue to send us early and relevant information for the motorsport scenario of the future! thanks !
Excellent real world experiment. Selling my pickup truck and buying a Tesla 3. Was stuck between standard and extended range. Seeing your results, I am going standard! Not worth the extra 5K for about 25 miles distance. I'm glad I found this video.
Another great video. I understand the value of the LFP batteries being able to charge to 100% on a daily basis, but a journey like this for me would be a proper road trip where I would charge my LR AWD M3 to 100% . So it would be good to see the comparison with 100% charge in all cars. Maybe a journey of 275 miles including charging .
Embrace your geekery and numbers! As someone with a science background, I really enjoyed the data obtained and graphs in this video. Especially in real world conditions. Really helped me make an informed decision between a standard model and Longe Range model. Keep up the good videos!!
Terrific video and comparison! Love my 2021 M3 SR+ and have found it to be a very road worthy family (2 adults, 2 teenage boys) vehicle during the 9months / 10,000 miles I’ve driven it. It’s been on a few round trips of 1,000-1,200 miles. I’ve got a spring trip from California to Kentucky (~2,500 miles one way) coming up and I’m very excited to see how the car performs. Thanks for the great work and enduring freezing cold! Stay warm.
I wish people would more often quote time to add 100 miles of range. Time from 10-80% penalizes large batteries and doesn't take into account efficiency. It also gives a sense of what a road trip would look like if you were trying to reach the destination as quickly as possible (short charges keeping the battery under 70%).
The best data analysis I have seen on TH-cam! This makes me happy with my choice of the standard range, although I was stuck with opting for the performance rims for a faster delivery date. But shouldn't hurt the range too much especially since I live in LA,CA.
Really appreciate your methodology used to make the video content. So many TH-camrs do these comparisons utilizing sequential testing instead of parallel testing. This is particularly erroneous when comparing different manufacturers’ models. Thank.
You have one of the best channels discussing Tesla’s. You guys actually give relevant information vs the goofy “ things I wish I knew” type stuff way too many TH-camrs are doing with goofy thumbnails and useless stuff. Keep it up.
Richard, since speaking to you about the Model S, seeing this and other videos, I am changing to a Model 3. This video is definitely going above and beyond. Really great videos. I'll call you soon regarding a Model 3 Keep up the good work, it's very much appreciated 👍
Just reverted back to this really useful reference test. More inclined now to go for the RWD to be honest, I don’t need the performance or extra insurance costs of the LR or Performance …….cracking video.
Another great analysis RSymons. But I guess the results are as expected. Basically, all Model 3s are rear wheel drive. The dual motor M3s have front wheel traction control and do not drive the front wheels unless the rears slip. The dual motors are heavier so would be slightly less efficient that the rear wheel only drive. The driving conditions were quite benign and wouldn't have engaged traction control at all, so the front motors never drew any power - only if preconditioning was turned on prior to supercharging. Congratulations win the success of the channel.
Would be interesting to see what the long range on 18” wheels was like compared to 19”. Also I am interested in the supercharge charge time differences between pre heat and not pre heated. If you are not in a hurry, is it better to not pre heat? Great work as always 👍
Always pre-heat. It's better for the battery long-term. Of course you can't always pre-heat optimally but it's always better than charging a stone cold battery at a DC charger. For AC it doesn't really matter.
If you are not in a hurry, do not pre heat. It is a waste of energy and money, and it is better for the battery health a lower temperature than a higher one. It is well known that Li-ion batteries prefer soft temperatures like 16-22 degrees Celsius. Regards from Spain.
Great video, once again proves the point that for 90% of people the Rear Wheel Drive Model 3 (or old SR+ name) is more than enough. Less battery to drag around and better efficiency for shorter daily trips. Costs less to buy and costs less to run. Unless you're made of money I don't know why you'd care about more than Standard in UK really...
For me, two years ago the LR was the only viable choice for occasional trips from the southeast to deepest darkest West Wales. It's still a real time saver on frequent journeys via the southern stretch of the M25 where Superchargers are few and far between (nothing between Heathrow and Maidstone that's easily accessible from the motorway at least). Speaking as someone who doesn't have home charging and relies entirely on public charging, the ability to go several days without having to venture out at night in the cold to a nearby slow charger and wake up early in the morning to pick the car up again before the car park charges come into force is worth the extra few thousand quid. LR with power boost is also very good fun and the 4WD gives me even more peace of mind in the snow. Things are improving constantly of course. Now there's a Supercharger on the west coast of Wales and one day very soon, GridServe will persuade ABB to pull their fingers out and work out how to get their chargers delivering more than the paltry 20 or 43 kW currently available at Cobham and Clacket Lane services. Until then I'm sailing by and getting places quickly and with less worries. In summary, yes, I'm in the 10% that probably really need LR, while for most, as you said, Standard Range works great.
Really nice video. I have one remark for the 3D graph that you showed. Like my Data Analysis teacher once said: "There is no need for 3D if 2D explains everything already".
Great test. Time to add miles is the only recharge metric that matters. Its the one I care about - how long to recharge to do another 2+ hrs of driving on a nearly empty battery - in winter. My SR+ is 25mins - just time for a coffee and a pee.
Yet again I'm so impressed with the efficiency of that new Standard Range battery, esp in the cold temperatures you drove in. It is such good value for money. Almost makes it worth considering instead of the long range even if you can afford the long range, esp for 7-8k less............
the M3 SR LFP is the perfect car for New Zealand; we have Cheap power, it never gets as cold as this (except in the deep South) so range is always close to the summer range all year round, it can basically drive anywhere only needing one supercharge, we get the MIC version so no quality issues. Suddenly I see why it ended 2021 in the Top 10 selling vehicles despite costing $60k NZD.
@@alexdalgleish1061 £32k in Australia currently for the SR+/RWD excluding any subsidies, slightly higher with on roads but still 'cheap' here for a Tesla
So at the moment in the wintertime, I am at 16kWh/100km, I have LR 2021 made in the Shanghai factory, so I would suppose it has an LFP battery. I have 18" wheels. The car might look a bit better with 19¨ ones but it is not worth it. You get a more comfy ride and a bit more range with smaller wheels. Great review, it was done properly. Kudos.
A perfect report, thanks! I particularly liked the spreadsheet data at the end, rather than spoken detail,during the film, it’s easier for me t understand the comparison. Cheers guys!
Thanks for this, found it very useful. I own a M3P 2019 plate so it doesn't have the slightly bigger battery or heat pump. But I was actually pleasently surprised that the distances I get in the winter aren't too far off what your M3P gets in the winter. I think realistically I get about 200 miles now when it's freezing outside but then my battery also now only shows about 280 to 286 miles when fully charged due to my 30,000 miles on the clock . In the summer I can just about manage 230 and if Im drving very carefully aroundf 240. Would be great to see a comparision between the old and new to see what data you discover.
I have a 2019 Model 3 SR+ with 45,000km on the clock running 19s and full charge too 100% gets me 353km on the dash which it never does anyway unless driving like miss daisy. Be good to see a comparison of maybe 3 of the same eg early SR+ 2018/9 and then a 2020 and then a MIC with the latest battery pack. Mix it up with a high mileage one for variety. Great stuff as always, your a blessing to the EV world.
I admit it is closer than i expected. The larger battery in the long range and performance will make a bigger difference if you just do short journeys (e.g. commuting) with preheating, because the preheating is about the same energy for all. Of course if you have home charging you won't care about that.
I have a Model 3 love your videos. People always come up to my car and ask how l like my Tesla? Such a dumb question, what I am going to say "no I hate the car, that's why I bought it." lol
Appreciate the km and kW/km data, the Celsius temp., if you would only mention how fast were you driving in km/h that would round up all the data for rest of the world and entire Europe.
Excellent episode! I would add that if a driver was attempting a long - one or more stop to supercharge journey - you might at least start off from home with 100%. So the Lon Range may get another 30 miles before needing to stop (or get away from the charger earlier) and similarly for the Intercooled Turbo. I mean Performance. However, if you don't care for spleen shattering acceleration and can do without an active sub and front fogs then the "base model" with heated steering wheel, electric boot lid makes a compelling package for the price.
I find these comparison tests absolutely fascinating, Richard - thank you as always... But, oh my Lord man... Whilst I'm one for stats and data - jeez, fella... your spreadsheet at the end gave me brain freeze...!! 🤣
After about 10 months of owning and a bit under 10,000 miles my 2021 m3p have averaged 200wh/km during these miles. It increases a fair amount when it is cold outside.
That is pretty high!! Is it one with heatpump? Or your driving it in such way it uses alot? And how cold is cold? My collegue had Model Y performance with towing stuff for 300km. And used on average 220Wh/km
Awesome, thanks! Surprising to me that even with a V3 site 250kW capable, in cold weather the LR and P’s higher charging rate, results in about the same range per charging time. Being less efficient they will load range slower than the SR on a less capable charger.
I have the SR+ with the LFP battery. Winter seems to make a big difference to the economy although I don’t know if it’s more or less than for their other battery chemistry’s. Suffice to say in warmer weather we were getting 105 KW/KLM and now that it’s gotten colder (around 5 to 10 degrees in Athens) we are averaging 145. I should say that’s mainly around town and dual carriageway and in “chill mode.”
for just range (if performance/AWD doesn’t matter to you) I think the new 60kwh SR is the best value right now. The LR I’d try and hold off until the 79-82Kwh battery comes to give it a bit more of a range gap again. That range doesn’t justify the £7k price increase (of course if you want the performance or AWD that affects your decision too)
Feels like the new 82 is needed to reassert the LR value - the 60 RWD closes the gap just enough to make the LR look less value for money. If we're sure new orders Q1 this year will be the 82kwh that might be a good option. At the moment it seems a little uncertain?
Omg! Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been debating on which one to get wether the LR or the standard but I wasn’t sure if the LR was worth it if you didn’t really get the mileage they claim you’ll get and I see that you don’t if it’s not technically at 100% charge. This was very helpful in my decision thank you again.
. We traveled to Boca Chica to see the starshing get built. & we got the S dual motor fsd last Christmas 🎄 😎 still have the cybertruck tri motor or 4 motor fsd on order, i got lots of solar & backup battery system to charge them both. i just bought more TSLA!!
I want a combination of these cars. I'd a SR+ on order for Dec delivery but cancelled it - made the 'mistake' of test driving a Performance. My perfect spec would look & accelerate like the Performance, have the battery from the Performance, have the suspension from the LR, but have the option to run on one motor during normal driving.
Still think these films are excellent, really helped my decision to by a model 3… I’ve also bought a Fiat 500e because you still need a car that makes you smile too! Pretty good car as well…
@@RSEV We’re really pleased with it… Feels nicely put together, decent equipment and, driven without too much thought, real world winter range of around 120 miles but in range mode and a bit of care we are seeing 3.9 to 4.1 miles per kWh and 160 miles. It’s not interested in “sportiness” but I think that’s a good thing! Another bonus is it gets more looks than many cars costing much more!
In NZ the M3LR is just above the cutoff for the govt EV rebate. So the difference (between RWD and LR) of $NZ24000 (£12000, $US16000, €16000) means the LR and P are only for “the rich”. Hence I have a M3RWD on order. Researching the LFP battery is what sold me in the end.
I have the long range version and I charge it to about 80% every other day. I love the car and I great usage out of it. The battery life is great. The speed and value of the long range is great since it's the "middle" of the three.
You ever drive a standard range in comparison? I like the power and range of the long range but the weight difference saving like 500 lbs for a older standard range appeals to me. Don’t wanna super heavy car if possible.
Great test! However: 1. Real results against EPA range estimation are missing. 2. Summary table is way complicated. It is better to disclose data in a very simple way: battery pack, projected range, real range, EPA range. That’s it!
I have the RWD 19" ordered. For $9k more i can get the LR but it only has 284 miles (charging to 85%) vs the RWD has 267 miles (charging to 100%). Doesn't make sense to upgrade. I don't need AWD. I would consider LR if it changes to LFP.
Theres me thinking you've taken a very scenic route to start with, then remembered "the bridge is out!" Then you park in an empty car park, and someone parks right next to you lol Great Video!
For me the LFP battery is a game changer. It can be 100 percent charged every time, is more rugged, degrades less quickly than the other type batteries, contains fewer of the precious materials, able to receive twice as many charge cycles in its life time. Yes it is heavier for a given capacity but yet again Tesla have shown the way forward.
Agree exciting times ahead 😀
Also affected by cold weather more too, do nothing for range, and will only be offered in standard range vehicles.
The main reason for the switch is profit margins as they are cheaper. Because of their weight, they'll be kept ro shorter range vehicles.
They are also not exclusive to Tesla, and you can expect them in ither standard range vehicles in the future.
Great that battery tech is moving forward though, the real jump forward will be the Panasonic 4680 cylindrical battery, which can store 5 times as much power as current Teslas can.
LFPs degrade when excessively charged to 100% too. Not as bad as Li Ion, but quite a lot, do your research. The only reason Tesla is suggesting to charge to 100% is so that the BMS knows where is up and down. On LFP, anything below 90% and above 10% is almost exactly the same voltage so unless you do 10-100% charges the BMS is screwed. But 100% is not good for LFPs either. Also, even at 100% charging and almost all DC charging you can still expect maximum 10-12% degradation on Li Ion after 150-200,000km, which is more than most people do in the lifetime of the car... Maybe 5% on LFP, not a difference there.
@@guybrushthreepwood3002 lets first see what the 4860 is before we make suggestions. I think initially these will be a let down - too much hype
@@marcusbiller867 LFP battery is lithium battery too. (Lithium Iron Phosphate, LFP)
We are here in Brazil always rooting for your success and that you continue to send us early and relevant information for the motorsport scenario of the future! thanks !
Excellent real world experiment. Selling my pickup truck and buying a Tesla 3. Was stuck between standard and extended range. Seeing your results, I am going standard! Not worth the extra 5K for about 25 miles distance. I'm glad I found this video.
Your convoy comparisons are always some of the most interesting and well made real world testing!
Just ordered my model 3 standard and this has calmed my nerves about range anxiety. Thank you
4:53 can we just take a moment to notice that reverse parking...
I also like the VW Fox at 5:25 going forward until he bumps into the curb. Amazing parking skills there.
Another great video. I understand the value of the LFP batteries being able to charge to 100% on a daily basis, but a journey like this for me would be a proper road trip where I would charge my LR AWD M3 to 100% . So it would be good to see the comparison with 100% charge in all cars. Maybe a journey of 275 miles including charging .
Embrace your geekery and numbers! As someone with a science background, I really enjoyed the data obtained and graphs in this video. Especially in real world conditions. Really helped me make an informed decision between a standard model and Longe Range model. Keep up the good videos!!
I am considering buying a Model 3 so this range comparison is really useful. Thx for your work.
Terrific video and comparison! Love my 2021 M3 SR+ and have found it to be a very road worthy family (2 adults, 2 teenage boys) vehicle during the 9months / 10,000 miles I’ve driven it. It’s been on a few round trips of 1,000-1,200 miles.
I’ve got a spring trip from California to Kentucky (~2,500 miles one way) coming up and I’m very excited to see how the car performs.
Thanks for the great work and enduring freezing cold! Stay warm.
Thanks for all the hard enjoyable work that went into this real world range test
More LFP content please!
I wish people would more often quote time to add 100 miles of range. Time from 10-80% penalizes large batteries and doesn't take into account efficiency. It also gives a sense of what a road trip would look like if you were trying to reach the destination as quickly as possible (short charges keeping the battery under 70%).
Even spending about 23 mins to add 150 miles is completely acceptable to me.
Another great video! Was waiting for a comparison of the 3 versions. Thanks so much.
The best data analysis I have seen on TH-cam! This makes me happy with my choice of the standard range, although I was stuck with opting for the performance rims for a faster delivery date. But shouldn't hurt the range too much especially since I live in LA,CA.
Thanks for providing the figures also in metric, greetings from 🇩🇪
Thank you so much for doing this real-world comparison Richard! Really isn’t much in it between SR+ (LFP) and LR! 🙌
Really appreciate your methodology used to make the video content. So many TH-camrs do these comparisons utilizing sequential testing instead of parallel testing. This is particularly erroneous when comparing different manufacturers’ models. Thank.
Exactly what I was wondering about (and I love a good spreadsheet). Thanks for doing the analysis, very useful.
You have one of the best channels discussing Tesla’s. You guys actually give relevant information vs the goofy “ things I wish I knew” type stuff way too many TH-camrs are doing with goofy thumbnails and useless stuff. Keep it up.
Another great convoy range test. Love the addition of the consumption and estimated range graphics.
Richard, since speaking to you about the Model S, seeing this and other videos, I am changing to a Model 3. This video is definitely going above and beyond. Really great videos. I'll call you soon regarding a Model 3
Keep up the good work, it's very much appreciated 👍
Just reverted back to this really useful reference test. More inclined now to go for the RWD to be honest, I don’t need the performance or extra insurance costs of the LR or Performance …….cracking video.
Very interesting to see a real world comparison. Great work.
I just love your channel, videos & indepth yet simplistic analysis/so easy anyone to understand.👍
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Another great analysis RSymons. But I guess the results are as expected. Basically, all Model 3s are rear wheel drive. The dual motor M3s have front wheel traction control and do not drive the front wheels unless the rears slip. The dual motors are heavier so would be slightly less efficient that the rear wheel only drive. The driving conditions were quite benign and wouldn't have engaged traction control at all, so the front motors never drew any power - only if preconditioning was turned on prior to supercharging. Congratulations win the success of the channel.
Would be interesting to see what the long range on 18” wheels was like compared to 19”. Also I am interested in the supercharge charge time differences between pre heat and not pre heated. If you are not in a hurry, is it better to not pre heat? Great work as always 👍
More videos on both those to follow… 😉
@@RSEV awesome 🤓
Always pre-heat. It's better for the battery long-term. Of course you can't always pre-heat optimally but it's always better than charging a stone cold battery at a DC charger. For AC it doesn't really matter.
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 thanks Neils, do you know of any references where I could read about it?
If you are not in a hurry, do not pre heat. It is a waste of energy and money, and it is better for the battery health a lower temperature than a higher one. It is well known that Li-ion batteries prefer soft temperatures like 16-22 degrees Celsius. Regards from Spain.
Great video, once again proves the point that for 90% of people the Rear Wheel Drive Model 3 (or old SR+ name) is more than enough. Less battery to drag around and better efficiency for shorter daily trips. Costs less to buy and costs less to run. Unless you're made of money I don't know why you'd care about more than Standard in UK really...
For me, two years ago the LR was the only viable choice for occasional trips from the southeast to deepest darkest West Wales. It's still a real time saver on frequent journeys via the southern stretch of the M25 where Superchargers are few and far between (nothing between Heathrow and Maidstone that's easily accessible from the motorway at least). Speaking as someone who doesn't have home charging and relies entirely on public charging, the ability to go several days without having to venture out at night in the cold to a nearby slow charger and wake up early in the morning to pick the car up again before the car park charges come into force is worth the extra few thousand quid. LR with power boost is also very good fun and the 4WD gives me even more peace of mind in the snow.
Things are improving constantly of course. Now there's a Supercharger on the west coast of Wales and one day very soon, GridServe will persuade ABB to pull their fingers out and work out how to get their chargers delivering more than the paltry 20 or 43 kW currently available at Cobham and Clacket Lane services. Until then I'm sailing by and getting places quickly and with less worries.
In summary, yes, I'm in the 10% that probably really need LR, while for most, as you said, Standard Range works great.
Really nice video. I have one remark for the 3D graph that you showed. Like my Data Analysis teacher once said: "There is no need for 3D if 2D explains everything already".
Great job. Well done. Interesting. And clear!
Excellent to see "time to add miles" as a stat ! Hopefully you will be leading others reviewers doing that.
Great test. Time to add miles is the only recharge metric that matters. Its the one I care about - how long to recharge to do another 2+ hrs of driving on a nearly empty battery - in winter. My SR+ is 25mins - just time for a coffee and a pee.
Yet again I'm so impressed with the efficiency of that new Standard Range battery, esp in the cold temperatures you drove in. It is such good value for money. Almost makes it worth considering instead of the long range even if you can afford the long range, esp for 7-8k less............
Great dedicated EV channel... subscribers should explode this year. GREAT CONTENT!
Big fan from Canada. Subscribed shortly after receiving my 2021 M3 LR this past September and have learned so much from this channel. Thank you!
Another great video. Really interesting to see the new SR perform so well in comparison. Like others, I'd like to see the LR with 18 areos.
4:30 nice track!
Great video. I appreciate that you educated viewers about pre-conditioning and included that as part of a pre-road trip checklist.
the M3 SR LFP is the perfect car for New Zealand; we have Cheap power, it never gets as cold as this (except in the deep South) so range is always close to the summer range all year round, it can basically drive anywhere only needing one supercharge, we get the MIC version so no quality issues. Suddenly I see why it ended 2021 in the Top 10 selling vehicles despite costing $60k NZD.
$60k in NZ only £30k GBP in the UK. If only we paid that here.
@@alexdalgleish1061 that's after the govt BEV grant
@@reubenmitchell5269 Thought might be. California discount even bigger. Doubt the UK will ever get close to either.
@@alexdalgleish1061 Nearly new Model 3s are going for more than list price on Autotrader currently, so no chance of prices coming down 😔
@@alexdalgleish1061 £32k in Australia currently for the SR+/RWD excluding any subsidies, slightly higher with on roads but still 'cheap' here for a Tesla
So at the moment in the wintertime, I am at 16kWh/100km, I have LR 2021 made in the Shanghai factory, so I would suppose it has an LFP battery. I have 18" wheels. The car might look a bit better with 19¨ ones but it is not worth it. You get a more comfy ride and a bit more range with smaller wheels.
Great review, it was done properly. Kudos.
This was uploaded on my birthday
Nice editing!
A perfect report, thanks! I particularly liked the spreadsheet data at the end, rather than spoken detail,during the film, it’s easier for me t understand the comparison. Cheers guys!
Thanks for this, found it very useful. I own a M3P 2019 plate so it doesn't have the slightly bigger battery or heat pump. But I was actually pleasently surprised that the distances I get in the winter aren't too far off what your M3P gets in the winter. I think realistically I get about 200 miles now when it's freezing outside but then my battery also now only shows about 280 to 286 miles when fully charged due to my 30,000 miles on the clock . In the summer I can just about manage 230 and if Im drving very carefully aroundf 240. Would be great to see a comparision between the old and new to see what data you discover.
Mine, also 2019 M3P, get similar range to you.
@@roderickmain9697 could to know I’m in the same range as others
I have a 2019 Model 3 SR+ with 45,000km on the clock running 19s and full charge too 100% gets me 353km on the dash which it never does anyway unless driving like miss daisy. Be good to see a comparison of maybe 3 of the same eg early SR+ 2018/9 and then a 2020 and then a MIC with the latest battery pack. Mix it up with a high mileage one for variety.
Great stuff as always, your a blessing to the EV world.
Spot on Richard 👍🏼 ..with the changes and updates in recent times I’ve been waiting for a direct comparison video. Thank you sir 🙏🏼
I actually took a bath with the LFP technology. I became the technology
AWESOME! THANK YOU, THAT HELPED A LOT TO MAKE MY DECISION ON MY MODEL 3 PURCHASE.
Imagine how much easier those charts would be to read if they were just 2D
I admit it is closer than i expected. The larger battery in the long range and performance will make a bigger difference if you just do short journeys (e.g. commuting) with preheating, because the preheating is about the same energy for all. Of course if you have home charging you won't care about that.
Because they factor in 90% on LR vs LFap
I have a Model 3 love your videos. People always come up to my car and ask how l like my Tesla? Such a dumb question, what I am going to say "no I hate the car, that's why I bought it." lol
No need to react negatively to people simply inquiring genuinely about your car.
Great Video . Have you ever tried the model 3 performance with 18 inch standard wheels . Just a thought to see how much it does in Range
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Appreciate the km and kW/km data, the Celsius temp., if you would only mention how fast were you driving in km/h that would round up all the data for rest of the world and entire Europe.
Great comparison, and putting the stats on the screen really helped, thanks!
Excellent episode! I would add that if a driver was attempting a long - one or more stop to supercharge journey - you might at least start off from home with 100%. So the Lon Range may get another 30 miles before needing to stop (or get away from the charger earlier) and similarly for the Intercooled Turbo. I mean Performance. However, if you don't care for spleen shattering acceleration and can do without an active sub and front fogs then the "base model" with heated steering wheel, electric boot lid makes a compelling package for the price.
I find these comparison tests absolutely fascinating, Richard - thank you as always...
But, oh my Lord man...
Whilst I'm one for stats and data - jeez, fella... your spreadsheet at the end gave me brain freeze...!! 🤣
sir your videos are amazing! such a easy watch any time of the day!
I would love if you guys do this test with M3 without heat pump. It could be interesting to compare old and new models.
Amazing channel. Thanks.
Thanks for another great video update. Great to see the data well done take care and safe travels
After about 10 months of owning and a bit under 10,000 miles my 2021 m3p have averaged 200wh/km during these miles. It increases a fair amount when it is cold outside.
That is pretty high!! Is it one with heatpump? Or your driving it in such way it uses alot? And how cold is cold? My collegue had Model Y performance with towing stuff for 300km. And used on average 220Wh/km
@@HermanWillems The winter certainly pulls up the numbers alot. During the summer im closer to 160-170 average.
Awesome, thanks! Surprising to me that even with a V3 site 250kW capable, in cold weather the LR and P’s higher charging rate, results in about the same range per charging time. Being less efficient they will load range slower than the SR on a less capable charger.
Really interesting. Has public charging really doubled in price since you made this? 33p/kWh to 66p?
In Chicago with a 2021 model 3 performance and man oh man does the battery take a hit.
I have the SR+ with the LFP battery. Winter seems to make a big difference to the economy although I don’t know if it’s more or less than for their other battery chemistry’s. Suffice to say in warmer weather we were getting 105 KW/KLM and now that it’s gotten colder (around 5 to 10 degrees in Athens) we are averaging 145. I should say that’s mainly around town and dual carriageway and in “chill mode.”
In New Zealand with a SR+/RWD (Nov 21) 60kW LFP battery, just done 4700km at 141 kW/km
Thanks Richard. You say the LR has a 75kwh battery. Doesn't the new Refresh have an 82kwh Battery ?
Great content. Do you have a review of the Model3 RWD long range?
Really enjoyed that! Have you got a 2022 version of the same vid?
for just range (if performance/AWD doesn’t matter to you) I think the new 60kwh SR is the best value right now. The LR I’d try and hold off until the 79-82Kwh battery comes to give it a bit more of a range gap again. That range doesn’t justify the £7k price increase (of course if you want the performance or AWD that affects your decision too)
Shame we don’t get that version here yet, but yes I agree
@@RSEV might be coming soon, the quoted range on the site has changed for the long range to 374, maybe to reflect bigger battery??
Feels like the new 82 is needed to reassert the LR value - the 60 RWD closes the gap just enough to make the LR look less value for money. If we're sure new orders Q1 this year will be the 82kwh that might be a good option. At the moment it seems a little uncertain?
great test and analysis
I don't like Tesla's, but had to watch your video anyway, such a great channel 😉. And thanks for adding the kWh/100km. Great job as always. 👍👍
Amazing test! Just what I was looking for. Thanks so much for what you and your team do!
Excellent comparison, thanks Richard.
Omg! Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been debating on which one to get wether the LR or the standard but I wasn’t sure if the LR was worth it if you didn’t really get the mileage they claim you’ll get and I see that you don’t if it’s not technically at 100% charge. This was very helpful in my decision thank you again.
. We traveled to Boca Chica to see the starshing get built. & we got the S dual motor fsd last Christmas 🎄 😎 still have the cybertruck tri motor or 4 motor fsd on order, i got lots of solar & backup battery system to charge them both. i just bought more TSLA!!
Interesting. I've always wondered what additional efficiency my Performance could achieve by switching to 18 inch wheels
I want a combination of these cars. I'd a SR+ on order for Dec delivery but cancelled it - made the 'mistake' of test driving a Performance.
My perfect spec would look & accelerate like the Performance, have the battery from the Performance, have the suspension from the LR, but have the option to run on one motor during normal driving.
By the way you’d have trouble picking apart the suspension/ride quality between a performance and a long range. Both too hard
How does suspension/ride quality of SR compare to LR?
Love the content,but any chance of us seeing the trip computer please? Just the total mileage and total kw/hrs used please. Thanks in advance.
Still think these films are excellent, really helped my decision to by a model 3… I’ve also bought a Fiat 500e because you still need a car that makes you smile too! Pretty good car as well…
I’ve yet to try the 500e…
Are you in the Uk? South coast?
@@RSEV We’re really pleased with it… Feels nicely put together, decent equipment and, driven without too much thought, real world winter range of around 120 miles but in range mode and a bit of care we are seeing 3.9 to 4.1 miles per kWh and 160 miles. It’s not interested in “sportiness” but I think that’s a good thing! Another bonus is it gets more looks than many cars costing much more!
Always quality and fascinating real world rEViews 👏🏽
In NZ the M3LR is just above the cutoff for the govt EV rebate. So the difference (between RWD and LR) of $NZ24000 (£12000, $US16000, €16000) means the LR and P are only for “the rich”. Hence I have a M3RWD on order. Researching the LFP battery is what sold me in the end.
Really informative...makes the decision to go with the S+ much more appealing...
I have the long range version and I charge it to about 80% every other day. I love the car and I great usage out of it. The battery life is great. The speed and value of the long range is great since it's the "middle" of the three.
You ever drive a standard range in comparison? I like the power and range of the long range but the weight difference saving like 500 lbs for a older standard range appeals to me. Don’t wanna super heavy car if possible.
Thank you for this video. Much needed.
Now waiting for Model Y comparisons ones you can get your hands on it.
Great details and content much appreciated all the effort that goes into making this 👍
Great video Richard.
Great test!
However:
1. Real results against EPA range estimation are missing.
2. Summary table is way complicated. It is better to disclose data in a very simple way: battery pack, projected range, real range, EPA range. That’s it!
Love the numbers and the graph. Great information
I have the RWD 19" ordered. For $9k more i can get the LR but it only has 284 miles (charging to 85%) vs the RWD has 267 miles (charging to 100%). Doesn't make sense to upgrade. I don't need AWD. I would consider LR if it changes to LFP.
Good video. Loving the trance music too. I’ve noticed my long range drop it’s range quite a bit but nothing too bad. Roll on the summer 🤣
Well done test, very interesting
Another great video, great stats and good to see associated costs. I think the SR is the no brainer choice looking at those stats.
This was so helpful thank you
Enjoy watching your videos!! Both you and your team.....Excellent work!!!
Theres me thinking you've taken a very scenic route to start with, then remembered "the bridge is out!"
Then you park in an empty car park, and someone parks right next to you lol
Great Video!
😂 parked right next to my car out of many spaces!
Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that - they made a right meal of it too!!! lol :)
@@bobbobman767 I thought they where going to hit Tesla at first!
Nice one, i really liked that comparison. cheers
Fantastic video!
Excellent perspective, very well done and thought through.
Looks like the M3LR ordered now will ship with the larger battery as reflected in the increased LR range on Tesla's UK site 😊
Excellent video. Thanks