Did Ravens make a smart move using non-exclusive tag on Lamar Jackson? | NFL | SPEAK
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- The Baltimore Ravens placed a non-exclusive franchise tag on QB Lamar Jackson, meaning they will owe him $32.4 million instead of the $45M guaranteed by an exclusive tag. This allows Lamar to seek other teams and the Ravens can either match an offer or allow him to sign elsewhere and receive two-first round picks. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy and Ric Bucher weigh in on whether the Ravens made a smart move tagging Lamar.
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I'm not trying to hate on him as a person. Shady isn't a good commentator. He babels, and his points and counter points are incoherent. Ocho, sucks as well, but it's for different reasons. Ocho is very articulate and gives coherent subtext to his points. However, he sucks because he always pro corporation with his takes. He has no grit and seems disingenuous. Joy is definitely the pro on the panel. Well informed, and when she is subjective, she lays out her opinion with objective reasons. She is a dope commentator.
Slick, is just there. Boring and old school. He hates athletes that go against the status qos.
Is Terry Crews Acho’s Daddy?
Probably colluding against him, to be honest. Owners don't want the contract Watson got to be the new precedent moving forward.
Yup it’s collusion. They don’t want that
Well today the browns are reworking Watsons contract
My thoughts, exactly.
That not colluding, that’s being smart.
Well also LJ has a trend of getting injured. It can't be over looked.
They definitely spot out this at an owner’s meeting. He’s not gonna get Watson’s contract
I truly believe they already have talked to the other teams and are in agreement no one will try to get him. All to adjust the market and stop the QB's from asking for +200 M guaranteed deals
Idk man. Daniel Jones just got 160 over 4 years with incentives. I do think the QB contract market will eventually shrink, but I don't think that's happening this (off)season
@@rodrigodemiguellamminen5244 the market only goes up as the salary cap increases.
Pfff this is called collusion and this isn't worth the risk of going to jail. Jackson isn't worth guaranteed money north of 200 Million given his injury history. He may be 3rd best Quarterback in his Division and may be the 5th or 6th best Quarterback in his conference.
@@rodrigodemiguellamminen5244 Daniel Jones only got 84 mil guaranteed
doesnt matter how many shady backroom agreements get made, all it takes is one biter. and somebody is heading lamar jacksons way that hungry checkbook ready to chomp.
even if he never leads a team to a superbowl win (which im confident he will), any team that signs him long term will make way more money off him than he will from them... just like those lowsy ravens have.
5 Years!! theyve been collecting money off lamar, & dont wanna pay em.
The value of Lamar is in the eye of the beholder. I think a lot of viewers have his value a little too high.
Bingo! People wanna make it about race but the highest paid QBs are all black besides Aaron Rodgers. Kyler got a monster contract after mediocre play and so did dangeruss and deshaun. Other owners see that and don’t want it and I can’t blame them id do the same! They’ve let these QBs get out of hand now ruin the rest of their teams with massive contracts. Time to reset the market!
It's no way a logical unbiased person can look at Lamar's last two seasons and say ," yep pay that man whatever he wants". The media is hyping him up because of their racial emotions and this need they feel to protect Lamar.
@@soda8736 I agree. How do you justify paying someone more than Patrick Mahomes at this point? If that QB hasn't even sniffed a conference championship game, what am I paying all this money for. History tells you, after a majority of players get these huge contracts, their performance miraculously declines.
The problem is that there are QBs that have done less than him. I agree he shouldn't get that high amount of money but the QB market is ridiculous Watson and Murray is a factor in this
Yeah the whole idea he could get them three first round picks or they should just pay him whatever is increasingly stupid at this point. They’re not looking logically at this situation. I am a Ravens fan and Lamar has delivered some great moments but that MVP season was 2019, it’s now 2023. He has won a grand total of one playoff game and never even taken the Ravens to an AFC championship game, I could spin that better if he had played well in the playoffs but came up short, that’s not the case. Last, but certainly not least, he has missed ten regular season games the past two seasons due to injury and, to be frank, his play has been erratic the last two seasons. Maybe they win that playoff game against the Bengals with him but we’ll never know because he didn’t play 😕
I’m NOT saying this is all on Lamar, the Organization has made some terrible mistakes the last couple of seasons with personnel and coaching staff. They should’ve worked out a deal after the 2020 season, that would’ve made the most sense but they didn’t. Now they’re basically going to let another team decide his value, they can either match it or get the two firsts. I’m indifferent at this point, Lamar is a unique talent but he’s also inconsistent and he’s handled this poorly, I’m frankly just sick of the drama between him and the Ravens.
Saying "without him they lose games" is such a non-statement. Most teams lose games using a backup smh
Cowboys this season didn't
Neither did the 49ers.
@@cameronzwicke5761 @verygoodbrother now ill refrain from shitting on the American school system, but just about 35% is the win rate for starting the game with your backup qb. And note how i said MOST teams
The Ravens owner called the other owners and told them he's not giving Lamar that contract and they probably said they're not giving him that contract either... It's funny but right after the Ravens franchise tag Lamar all of a sudden 5 teams said they're not interested in Lamar...🤔
Just like ever team passed on Lamar on draft night - Biscotti got to them that night too right? or is it simply racism…yeah, play that card too.
@@buildingsfunnels5867 Well teams were asking Lamar to switch positions which has never happened to a white QB who has won the Heisman. Sam Bradford, Manziel, Burrow, and Baker were NEVER asked to switch prior to the draft and none of those guys lead the NFL in passing TDs despite fewer than 500 attempts. Most of those guys listed were decent athletes as well but never truly excelled at the NFL level ( minus Burrow ) or earning an MVP.
None of those guys would win a game with the Ravens receiving corps. No one mentioned race BUT YOU. IMAX theatres want to know your projection techniques.
@@estebanq.urkelthevxiith8495 Maybe they should have though. Lamar is a far more gifted athlete and runner though, that's partly why. Those white QBs had only one shot at the NFL and it was the processing and throwing required as a QB. Lamar had potentially multiple paths to succeed in the NFL, not just at QB.
Owners dnt trust black quarterbacks 🫢.. I wouldn’t call it racist it’s more cult like the way they under pay them
Lamar should wait for Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert to get their contracts settled and then start negotiating. I am willing to bet these guys get the bag for real. The Giants gave D. Jones 40 million a year, that’s like a slap in the face, this dude had to depend on Saquon to keep his job. Saquon actually leads the team to the playoffs and gets low balled, makes you say Hmm!!!
Acho started humble but quickly showing his true colors. Marcelous thought you didn't have a ceiling, he had no clue your were colluding for his job the moment you got to the show .
Let’s look at facts. Lamar can’t negotiate until 3/15. Those teams pulling may be sincere, but the real contenders will come out the shadows on that day.
the jets or the falcons
are in a meeting as we speak tryna figure this out ☠️☠️
yep, its all cap
@@eddievargas704 right, like you know they lying and got that board flowing 😂
This was a smoke screen, teams will bid
@@eddievargas704 The Falcons have already stated they aren’t interested in acquiring Lamar!!!
The problem is Watson had issues and got rewarded with less achievements and Lamar is out there
The problem is the browns are stupid
Watson has been more impressive in the playoffs.
Lol no he hasn’t 😂
@@Marstardon- Are you not aware of their respective playoff stats? 🙄
@Craig Comrie What are their respective passer ratings? Go ahead and look them up. I'll wait.
The Ravens should be willing to pay a bit more than any other team since everything he’s done so far has made THEM money, any & all success thus far has been to the benefit of Baltimore. They haven’t even paid up for that yet frfr.
He choked year after year in the playoffs… you can’t play hurt. Mahomes has heart, Lamar all about Lamar.
@@buildingsfunnels5867 exactly mahomes out there on one leg changed his entire game plan up from scrambling to almost pure pocket and won his 2nd Super Bowl in 5yrs while not asking for much guaranteed. Meanwhile lamar is “limping” around unable to play a game where they would’ve won lol
That's what employers do! Over work you and don't want to pay for that extra work. I don't blame players not doing extra work for free. This will definitely set a precedent for players in the future to see how it's no guarantee you will get paid for going above and beyond for "The Team".
@Craig Comrie you forget mahomes risked his career already playing hurt before he had his contract guy wants to win period no excuses and his two rings show that
@Craig Comrie And why was the deal done so early with Mahomes? Maybe because he didn't have unrealistic demands for his contract like Lamar now has (probably). Also, having an agent certainly helps.
It's very simple if people would get out of their feelings. Ravens let him go get offers and they will match the best one. They are letting the actual market currently dictate his pay. They can look at him and say well there is your highest offer we will pay you that and for Lamar he gets a good look at his options, it's fair.
Except when Lemar gets an offer and Ravens agree to match it the bridge has been burnt. He won't want the Ravens matched pay.
@@mnm291It happens all the time in restricted free agency in the NBA. If your feelings are hurt oh well, get over it if you want the money. Happened to Deandre Ayton last season.
@@mnm291 exactly
The Ravens have been a well run franchise for years. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
That's why they fired their strength coach who has been getting players hurt for 2 years right. They put on. Good image but that's it. They are messy and it's starting to show
Finally someone making some sense
Ozzie Newsome* has run the franchise well for years.
I think the Ravens are smart with their decision
@@johnnybgoode8104 How do we have the same name lol? I was so confused and thought I wrote what you wrote. Mind blown.
Joy isn’t considering the fact that Lamar might simply be asking for WAY too much. He may be asking for some ridiculous amount that the Ravens want the market to prove to him is unreasonable. Lamar had better hope that the best offer he receives isn’t significantly less than what the Ravens have already offered. If so, the Ravens will certainly adjust and he could end up making even less.
As a Ravens fan, I do not believe LJ is going to get DW contract, Collusion........
@@whaler4life507 1000% Collusion. But I want to see Burrow and Herbert get their big deals first. That will tell me EVERYTHING I need to know.
Can you say what he's actually generatin?.
Nobody today is stepping up there's gotta be a reason Atlanta pulled out where for weeks they were the front runner to take him now they don't want him ?? Something wrong here
Right but like shady said the browns did the same thing an look what happen. They lied too lol
Collusion between the owners to try and stop the fully guaranteed contracts for players now and in the future
Obviously you have not been watching the NFL long enough smokescreens man they probably the team that’s going to get him
Or maybe they were never front runners, maybe that was YALL narrative 🤷🏿♂️OR maybe Lamar has 0 Conference Titles, 1-3 playoff record, injury prone, no proof that he's like a Mahomes & can overcome mistakes to make it to a Superbowl, lot of reasons to make a smart choice not to OVER PAY a QB with 0 SB appearances
Washington
Acho spittin facts.
No one is going to offer him Deshaun Watson kind of money because the league wants to reset the market for quarterbacks.
Bet my bottom dollar a team will
Jackson is absolutely a guy, but Joy likes him way more than the Ravens should or indeed seemingly, do.
Joy is just being "pro-player" at all costs. So she think the Ravens should give Lamar a blank check, or the Ravens are dumb. She has bad takes on this Lamar situation, but people are fellating Joy in these comments. It's honestly pathetic.
The Ravens are making a point to Lamar that the market for aging often injured Qbs isn’t that great
He’s young lmao
This is much better for team than player. This is what I was begging the cowboys to do with Dak. Let him see if anyone else is interested and when he isn't offered top money he can bring his negotiations back to earth. Some qbs are just not worth paying top dollar because they need such a great team to compete.
Lets see what Jimmy G gets
@@doffydonquixte for a traditional QB he is young. For a running back / running QB he’s on the downslope. Better to get a cheap dude In the draft and build up a solid roster. 49ers /Eagles blue print.
@@323johnnybravo eagles blueprint with Lamar. Get him a oline, a running back, and some recievers and watch him take his game to the next level. Lamar hasn’t had that
LOL!!! Feelings!!! nothing more than Feelings!!!!
Acho is spot on.
Acho is right…this really is the best option for both LJ & The ravens. Personally I think someone will give him what he wants their gonna get that revenue back anyway. I don’t see my Ravens falling off a cliff even without LJ8. We’d still be solid
I don’t think so I think the ravens have done their homework they know nobody is gonna pay what he’s asking for keeping in mind we don’t know what Lamar is asking for . So if that’s true Lamar will embarrass himself based on what he views his market is
Lamar Jackson better leave like Baltimore had multiple occasions to give him his money and they failed miserly.
The disrespect is crazy. As much as I want him to stay, I hope he walks.
@@pranklucas3387 felt that 😞
Preach brother👊🏾
Well I think he would have one if he had an agent. They weren’t able to negotiate during the season since he is his own agent and didn’t want to discuss it.
@@bray2079
That part people FAIL to realize
He refused to discuss talks during the season when BMore was trying to negotiate a Deal
Thank u Joy u know your stuff
People keep bringing up his MVP, so what cam Newton won an MVP and where is he now?
U can ask that same question about all of the other qbs that were n the league that ain’t won sh;t🙄🙄
@@icebergslim3743 including Lamar in a few years.
@@squalie9 …..naw dog stop hating!
The latest QB contracts are absolutely crippling teams. This is a VERY smart move by the Ravens.
crippling billionaires 😂😂😂😂😂
That's 🤡💩
@@wingzadams4247 I’m not talking about the owners. I’m talking tanking about the teams. It’s a cap sport. If you give too much to one player, you have to fill the rest of the roster with sub-par players. The owner is spending the same whether he builds a good team or not.
@@user-hx8zm4fe4q Okay. Tell me where the teams with the top 10 highest paid QBs finished this year. Want to get really crazy? Look at the last 10 years. Unless your QB is Patrick Mahomes, paying tip of market for your QB virtually guarantees you won’t make it to a Super Bowl.
@@scottym.9077 Ok since Lamar has been with the team who would you pay the money that you are not willing to pay him?
He’s a winner … 1 playoff win 🤔
Exactly. Overly hyped because of an MVP and wins a lot in REGULAR season. That’s all he has. And he’s injured a lot.
@@gj5990 Hes never had a top reciever. Lets see if mahomes would hold all that success taking away kelce,juju,mvs and leaving him with only sky moore and another rookie. Talent around qbs matters
@@tonygonzalez9882 you serious?
@@gj5990 let him go then .. idky ya say someone not “ that good “ but tag him ..: let him be and ya move on
@@gj5990 dead serious. Look at allen before diggs. Every elite qb has elite talent around them. Thats just a facts
The owners work together he will never get what he "earned: 🤷♂️
This was a chess move by B-More. I understand the move. I hate it but i understand it
Go Bill Belichick!!! Shoot your shot brotha!!! That defense with that Patriot running game...one word...DYNAMIC💪🤙🙌
Lmfao the patriots would never over pay for him
thats the one franchise that would never pay him market value.
Man I wish! BB has always praised LJ.
There is zero chance Patriots will give ANYONE a fully guaranteed Max contract
@@bigballer6666 he never said he wanted 100 guaranteed lol😅 where did you hear that loo
Can't let Mama negotiate a better deal than most agents can get. The ONLY option is for Lamar to withhold his labor.
This!
You don’t have to test the market when you have comparable position contracts being offered recently.
For Atlanta to say they are not interested is absolutely BAFFLING !!!!!!!!! As a lifelong Saints fan I was fortunate enough to see Michael Vick play against us and that Atlanta stadium was one of the loudest places I've ever been in. Can you image how bananas Atlanta's stadium would be wit Lamar ??!!
Plus, don't EVER count out Belichick. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lamar end up in NE.
There's a few reasons why those QB-needy teams publicly said "we're not interested".
1. Jackson doesn't have a real agent. His mom is his agent. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but other teams don't have to worry about pissing her off, because they're not going to have to potentially work with her next week when free agency begins and they want to sign other players she represents, because there are none.
2. Reports of Jackson wanting a Watson-type fully guaranteed contract. Everyone and their dog knew that was a bad contract, and of course it was the worst run organization in the NFL that did it. So now the 31 other teams have to say "we're not doing that", and Lamar is just the first playing getting told "you're not getting that from us".
3. He can't be relied upon to be there every week. He's missed 5 games in each of the last 2 seasons. He's already a bit undersized for his position and relies heavily on his legs, which is a bad combination when talking about longevity, and he's already missed multiple games in consecutive years and missed a playoff run.
2 and 3 kinda tie together a bit, but the first reason is probably the biggest reason. This gives the teams all the leverage before negotiations have even started. He'll have to go to them instead of them going to him, and they probably won't send the private jet or cover the airfare and accommodations for him and his entourage. They can play it off as "Just doing our due diligence, but not super interested. We'll take the meeting if you come to us." which will automatically lower what Jackson can demand.
Jackson will find out his value, but there aren't many QB-needy teams out there that don't have other less costly options both financially and in terms of draft capital, as well as the cap space to take on whatever contract they may agree to.
This was a good move by the Ravens, and it definitely works for Lamar.
Acho has no idea.
He’s really stupid
They are about blackball Lamar because he has no agent
Nah, probably his haircut, or he walks funny. How about he is unreliable, hurt in the playoffs, chokes and is inaccurare.
@@buildingsfunnels5867 I just seen Daniel jones and geno smith get paid and the nfl r kelly get 230 million .
@@acito_20 They got paid chump change compared to the guarantees Lamar wants. That's the entire crux of the issue with Lamar, not the total dollar amount, not the AAV, but the guarantees.
Acho really thinking someone wouldn’t/couldn’t lie about the offer’s they get on their 🏠
Break it down my brother! You did!
Lamar have to hold the line on this its time for the premier players to make a stand when it comes to fully guaranteed contracts all the other leagues have it NBA MLB and NHL. Its time now for the NFL to do the same.
The NFL fields huge teams of 53 players. They will severely have to cut rosters and pay for the lower level players, who already struggle, in order to provide multiple fully guaranteed conracrs
@@bigballer6666 the other leagues found a way to work it out the NFL needs to do the same the time has come. Football is the most dangerous sport out of the four major sports. It only makes sense
@@postmastersgt1670 Basketball has 12 players on the roster, Baseball has 27 players on the roster, Football has 53 players on the roster. How many guaranteed contracts in basketball or baseball(1 or 2 in Basketball, maybe 3 in baseball. That would work out to 6 guaranteed contracts in football). Plus in baseball one or two star pitchers or one star basketball player can have a huge impact on the season and playoffs. If you have 6 guaranteed contracts in football you will still need to have money to pay 16 other starters, not to mention bench players.
Not gonna happen unless they accept way less money per year.
Why is Lamar to hold the line by himself? Why aren't you asking all the other QB signing their contract to request the same fully guaranteed money in order to change things?
I love Lamar, but at the end, I am afraid that he will loose more than he will gain in this battle.
Why do so many people think the NFL cares one bit about Lamar having an agent or not? Agents are just another party trying to get leverage at the table, trying to punish teams for not getting one deal done by trying to deny them other clients as well.
I'll try to break it down for you. Essentially Lamar, right now, is a pawn being used by the NFLPA. The players association wants Lamar to be the domino that breaks open the door for fully guaranteed contracts. As it stands right now, Deshaun is an outlier. Cleveland is poorly run, and that type of deal will never happen again. However, IF Lamar gets one, now it snowballs into becoming the norm, which is what the NFL doesn't want. Owners also aren't stupid - they're not just gonna give fully guaranteed contracts. If Lamar had an agent, he probably would've signed already. Instead, he's trusting that the Players Association has his best interests, which as of right now, they don't. They just want to use him to open the door for fully guaranteed contracts. If they had his best interests at heart, he'd already have a huge deal, probably just short of Mahomes money.
The problem with Joy's logic is that the Browns contract with Watson totally upended the market. Now everyone wants the same type of contract, but what team's can afford that? My take is the Ravens took the right path forward, and I lean more towards Acho's viewpoint.
Yeah Acho has a much more balanced viewpoint than Joy. Joy is just blindly croaking "pro player" sentiments with really no actual logic or reason behind it. The Ravens interest are 50% of this situation, and she completely disregards that 50%.
@@kybernetic8 MVP is an individual honor. SBs are a team honor. And I do think Lamar's actions late last season hurt his team.
I agree contracts like Watson, Murray, and even Wilson have been disasters. Lamar is currently better than these QBs, but these current QB contracts are ridiculous
Acho from the Ocho doesn't even understand who Lamar can negotiate with when FA opens.
The crazy part about all this is I don’t see 31 teams “jumping at the opportunity” 😅 the math ain’t mathing
2 1st and overpay makes no sense
5 teams jumped, then, pulled back there contracts.
That's obviously, owner collusion and "let's set in example " moves.
@@andrewswing9917 there can be no collusion if Lamar earned his money lol the problem is there can be collusion because Lamar is asking for too much to offset the market
@Derrick Mason What if, just, maybe. Lamar is asking for them to pay him, for what hes accomplished and not what he could accomplish.
Just, maybe. Lamar realised the organization isn't going to help themselves to help Lamar win a superbowl.
"The Lakers wasted my best years, not, looking to get me help, before I injured my Achilles " Kobe Bryant.
Fruit for thought.
@@andrewswing9917 if that was the case Lamar would have just asked for a trade Lamar is trying to play ball with the ravens for a reason
They are going to match it.. that's why they tagged him.. to see what his market is.. The crazy part is I believe Lamar knows what they are doing.. They are just seeing his price range.. This is the same thing the Saints did with Derek Carr. They been knew they were getting him they just wanted to see his market. Dereck wanted to see his market for himself just like Larmar. They aren't even thinking about letting him go. There's no limit of what the Ravens will give him.
So if a bidding war breaks out and someone offers a deal close to Watson's, you think they pay it?
@@johnnybgood7442 Nah, highly unlikely. If they wanted to pay him that much, they would've done so already. Baltimore is probably betting on the fact that he won't get that type deal, and there's a good chance he won't. Deshaun's deal was the exception, not the rule.
@@johnnybgood7442 No owner is going to offer him anything. Lamar's going to court for collusion this year.
@@johnnybgood7442 yep I believe they will. That price will justify his asking price. But if no one does they win.. Ravens win regardless cause they get they man but if no offers him the beast contract He will get what they expected to give him. That's what I see playing out. If not they would have traded him. Basically the market is setting the price. To me they're just trying to seem like they are being fair to him.
@@walk4jesusinternationaldis269 so if only one team goes awol and offers him that deal, you are saying it is then justifiable? The Ravens don't strike me as an organization that will look to a single desperate franchise as a benchmark for how they should pay their players. I think it had more to do with owner collusion than trying to determine a market value.
I love Slick Rick but this show is so good with 3 people!
The core issue why teams are not interested is because of the "match the deal or give up two 1st round picks" scenario set forth by the ravens. If I was an owner/GM, I wouldn't go for that because I am on the losing side of the Jackson/ravens negotiation. Wait until Jackson is an unrestricted free agent, then pursue him.
I just hope he goes to the NCF the AFC is too loaded with QBs
My thought
I just want him out the Division. Im tired of seeing him twice a year.
@@cebokhumalo602 I’m a Steelers fan, I’m hoping they resign him so he can stay in our division. Dude plays like doo doo against us lol
@@MorningDew85 I'm a Browns fan. and as much as I love lamar. im tired of losing to him...
LOL Shady, Ravens were not Super Bowl contender with Lamar Jackson...rofl
Timing is everything. In the market now I don’t see a team offering LJ what he wants currently. Mind you Bmore wants to pay him just not what he’s asking.
Regardless of the final price. After making him go thru these hoops, he shouldn't play another down for Baltimore. What they don't talk about is the revenue HE generates for the organization. They may find another quarterback, but if he's not exciting, just winning boring football isn't enough
Stop bringing up this MVP I'm a ravens fan I like Lamar but ever since 2019 hes done nothing but regressed all his stat numbers have dropped year after year hes not worth what he thinks he is
So sick of the MVP point. Also the MVP is overated, it's literally between 5 - 10 Qbs every year. It's not between all 1500 players like it is in the NBA where everyone has a chance.
Good by Lamar and I'm a Raven Fan you are nit worth of that money go to another team Ravens will be Just fine
The Ravens backup made the Pro Bowl
It takes 2 to negotiate
You can’t trade a free agent joy 🤦🏻♂️
🤣🤣🤣
Ravens organization was handled better under Ozzie by far. Sad to see this situation even occuring, but someone wants to pay for him to play. If a dark horse candidate comes out (maybe the Dolphins) it could be crazy. 🙃
What are you even talking about? Decosta learned under Ozzie for 25 years and Ozzie is still in the building every day..
@@adamletschin7759 Watching and doing are two different things. Ozzie at in charge and it's been showing for years 😑
So you are saying that Decosta learning from Ozzie for 25 years and working closely with him every day still means nothing? Yeah ok...Smh...
@@adamletschin7759 But … did he learn anything? Can’t say that EDC’s drafts are making a difference in Baltimore.
Ozzie is supposedly taking over
Why is nobody talking about the fact that Lamar is done? 11 missed games in 2 seasons. The Ravens are never paying him.
Acho's argument is contingent on an unfettered market (no collusion). The owners are working together (as they do in all US industries) to minimize labor costs - which ultimately hurts all workers.
This is a perfect opportunity for my Falcons!
I JUST HAVE TO SAY...I'm glad you guys finally got it right. This panel is the best you guys ever had. JOY IS A BEAST (IF I can say that about a female so beautiful) The 360 degree perspective is awesome. Like, agree, or not. Y'all the best.
The ravens hit this one out of the park. Baltimore maybe San Fran, and New England are the only teams I can think of that could either take their team or quickly build their team to successfully make a push with Lamar.. now they either pay him his actual value which almost every single qb the play style of Lamar starts exactly how he has. Good years to start, then consistently missing time from injury then the bottom falls off. So the ravens get 2 1sts or pay what he may be worth history will tell u what more than likely happens next
Price and Demand are inversely Related.. that’s Econ 101 .. I sure you meant to say Supply ..
Daniel Jones gets 40 million a year but you can't pay Lamar like he wants to be paid? The Ravens are going nowhere without him.
Do you even listen to the videos? The amount isn’t important, the guarantees are. Lamar was already offered 50m per year for 5 years but the guarantee wasn’t enough for him
@@RavensTheNextDynasty my point still stands but yeah I'm aware of the guaranteed money aspect. They could've paid him.
Raiders should offer him the biggest bag possible in order to make Ravens overpay
Then if ravens say no?
@@RavensTheNextDynasty then LJ goes to the Raiders. The Ravens can either match what other teams offer him or he goes to the highest bidder.
@@cameronzwicke5761 yea but you said go make the ravens overpay so what if they don’t now raiders are stuck with that contract
@@RavensTheNextDynasty no I didn't, learn to read
@@cameronzwicke5761 my post is to the creator of this comment that is who I assumed I was talking to, I don’t know why you are chiming in
Both people joy named how did that workout for the teams that gave up them
Picks. SF wins didn’t matter who was qb broncos gave up a top 10 pick with the way the season went
All the owners are against gauranteed contracts, so if he wants a great contract perhaps it's time for him to get an agent, I don't see him being able to handle this on his own.
Carolina or Atlanta will make a big move for him.
Atlanta should have learned from how much they paid Stat Ryan after he took a game-losing sack in the Super Bowl.
@@yzfool6639 🤣🤣🤣
They both came out and said they’re not interested in Lamar but okay
Not a single team has come out and said they have any interest in Lamar
@@yzfool6639 the falcons lost the superbowl because they decided not to play in the 2nd half. if ur winning 28-03 at halftime, u dont lose because of any 1 thing any particular player does in the 4th qtr.
I feel like The team & QB1 are like parents and the fans are the kids and we just watched them serve each other separation papers. And we’re praying they don’t get a divorce due to irreconcilable differences, Like kids Standing around wondering now what side do we choose😢😢 cuz both have good & bad pts.
Thing that is not being said is the Owners are working together to create a low payment Deal for Lamar Jackson to control the run away contracts for NFL Players. Look at all recent Contracts. LJ is a better QB than all of them except maybe AR let's see what he gets.
If Lamar is really asking for 250m guaranteed then honestly he isn’t worth it for the Ravens or any other team
Jets fans where y'all at, Lamar to the Jets let's goo
LJ8 may be headed to the AFC East? Perhaps Jets better move. The Patriots might get him. Belichick has some weight.
@@seanswinton6242 Nah i don't like him with the Patriots, either the jets or falcons
Joy speaks with LOGIC love it
True. Lamar has won a lot in the regular season…playoffs not so much. Y’all keep talking about MVP wasn’t that 2019. Lamar is a top 5 QB but him and nobody else is worth his asking price. Watch the BROWNS and see what happens over the next few seasons…trash
She usually does, but in this instance, her take is extremely uninformed. The Non-exclusive tag means that Baltimore ultimately wants to resign Lamar. If they offered him the exclusive tag - it's almost a certainty that they trade Lamar. With the exclusive tag - Lamar will still feel slighted that he didn't get the deal. It's been 2 years of negotiating - nothing would change with the exclusive tag. With the non-exclusive tag, it will help them repair that relationship. They can say, "See we were paying you top dollar. That deal you wanted wasn't out there. We want to take care of you, etc. etc. " The Ravens WANT to keep Lamar and are letting him see what his own worth is. The Ravens will match any offer, it's been reported. If a team gives him a guaranteed deal, they'll match it, they just don't want to be the first to do it - at least that's what's been reported.
None a single person on this panel spoke logically about this Situation. They all missed the obvious point. OWNERS ARE TRYING TO RESET THE QB MARKET, that simple. Also is another team outbids the ravens that effectively renders the franchise tag useless which is a huge benefit for owners having that extra 2 years of flexibility
@@angelmedina1629 no one can outbid the ravens. They can match anything. It’s been reported that the raven will match anything, however, they just don’t want to be the first to give the guaranteed deal.
Any team can offer more money but are reluctant because of the 2 first round picks to go along with their bid.
That's not accurate at all. If Lamar was on the trading block he'd probably go for three 1sts, three 2nds, and a few later picks, plus a player or two - plus you'd still have to pay him. This situation has NOTHING to do with the picks. The issue is, is that no one will offer a fully guaranteed contract. The Ravens can and will match any offer short of a guaranteed offer. So for the other teams, they're thinking, "Why am I going to do the work to get the contract done if the ravens will just match it?" It's a waste of time. That's the reason so many teams are out.
It’s still not apples to apples as the real estate example because he not only has to find an offer from a team but they also have to part with two first round picks so it makes it harder to find an offer a team isn’t going to make an offer if they don’t want to also part with the picks
They talk like he going to win them the chip..he might not win them the division..but they going to say get him some help after he eats a chunk of the cap
Ravens did their homework they know teams won't touch Lamar. Another case of the owners working together.
I don't think teams aren't going to make offers to Lamar. It's just not going to be Watson money like Lamar is hoping for, he's probably gonna get the same type of offers Baltimore has been giving him. But Baltimore probably has to know that otherwise they would not have made him non-exclusive
Teams will make offers to Lamar. Now, I will be surprised if any team gives him Watson or even Murray money.
I’m ngl they way Acho put it makes the ravens moves make sense.
Not sure how valuable something is take to the pawn shop 😂😂😂🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
What has Lamar done in the playoffs. And he has been injured a lot also. These quarterback contracts are crazy.
Say bye to Lamar Jackson baltimore
The Ravens basically let Lamar know what they think of him. Somebody will pay him.
Clearly you didn’t listen to anything acho was saying loo
Change the house buying analogy to a family member instead of a stranger….next thanksgiving dinner would have a totally different vibe
No superbowl, no afc championship, 1 playoff win, just a dak Prescott, give him $43 mil a year with $115 mil a year guaranteed, neither one Mahomes at $50 mil with superbowls
It means the Ravens let Lamar know it's okay to see other teams 🤨
It means they're going to have another team write the contract lol. They've tried for two years to get a deal done. Lamar isn't budging. He also doesn't have an agent. They're basically saying, "Find the deal you want, and we'll match it." Outside of a fully-guaranteed contract, the ravens will match anything, it's been reported. Smart move by Baltimore - making the other team do all the work and they just match it.
@@yasssssok7319 why do you think it's all on Jackson? How do you know they aren't having a problem presenting a good deal. They have had problems signing QBs is the past.
@@lamarkennedy5086 Not sure what that means. They've been super stable at QB since 2008 . Ravens are a first-class organization - I mean they just gave Roquan 20 million a year. They definitely offered Lamar a top-tier qb deal - just not fully guaranteed like he wants. It's been reported that they'll match any deal he gets from another team - just not a fully guaranteed deal.
@@yasssssok7319 you don't know about 'quarterback negotiations with the Ravens since 2008. Why are you talking about LBs, this is about quarterback.
@@lamarkennedy5086 if you think that baltimore gave him the non exclusive tag because they’re ready to move on, you don’t really know much about football. There’s no point in arguing with you lol. It’s a strategic move by them. They want to keep him which is why they did that. Like I said, if they gave him the exclusive, I’d be pretty sure they’re trying to trade him. They’ll get more in a trade
The ravens are smart , they talked to the other owners and that’s why teams are falling back because nobody wants Lamar to get a fully guaranteed deal that would mean Bengals , chargers , eagles would have to break the bank
That’s not being smart if that’s what they did. That is called COLLUSION.
That's the only reason that this potentially makes sense.
"If I can't explain it, then it must be collusion". No!! It's paying a man 250mil guaranteed AND giving away your next two first round picks to Ravens. Stupid.
It does not matter who he gets an offer from, they can match it and maybe not have to pay out 300 million. It is a smart move, Jackson can find out what he is worth and if he is offered that much, the Ravens can match. Either way, he makes what he is worth.
I'm not giving up 2 #1 picks
Lamar believes what media believes, that he’s worth the moon and stars.
He isnt idont see no one wanting him unless he takes less money
@@josearanda8555 you sound like you don’t watch football
@@nbmdon9175 youre wrong.
Fully guaranteeing a passing running-back is foolish.
Come on Commanders let's go all in on Lamar Jackson 👍👍
Really?
No y’all destroy black QBs especially ones with his play style …. We ain’t forget about RG3
@@lososcotti926 Lamar Jackson is nothing more than a glorified running back with a mediocre arm. He will never win a championship in this league. If I were the Ravens, I would let him walk
@@michaelmentality oh I agree , but that doesn’t change what I said lol
@@lososcotti926 Doug Williams did alright
Only way it make sense if the ravens are not trading no matter what and big bet is trying to sign lamar with the price tagged they offered
Lamar has one playoff win that was won by the defense in that game and also he hasn’t been able to finish a full season in 2 years and you all think he worth 250 million it’s crazy to me Ravens playing this smart
The ravens and giants contracts should be switched. This is crazy
How Danny dimes got that team to the 2nd round without a number one wide receiver.
@@traviscarter1023 ain’t better than LJ
WHAT? Lol That Daniel Jones' contract is trash compared to what Lamar wants, and it's trash compared to what the Ravens already offered.
He is a running QB who has already been dinged up. I'd pass.
Teams aren’t going to give more than 2 picks if they have to pay 250m guaranteed.
I'm happy for u cuz I wasn't gone give u dat😂😂😂
only a winner in the regular season never when it counts
You have to win in the regular season to get to the playoffs 🤔
Kyler and Deshaun have done what exactly?
@@ethanhuntemcee1663 and he did what when it counted? I think he has same record as Trevor Lawrence now.
@@pranklucas3387 sense when have the browns ever been the gold standard of the nfl 😂
What you guys are getting wrong about Lamar and the Ravens situation is that it is not a matter of money but a matter of principle. All about the fully guaranteed money.
No one wants to budge from their principle.
The Ravens are not a stingy organization. They pay their best players and they always make them the highest paid at their position. The Ravens are ready to make Lamar the highest paid QB, but not fully guaranteed.
And Lamar doesn't want to accept anything less than want Watson got.
So it is matter of principle and principles are stubborn.
And I bet at the end, Lamar will be a ravens and there will be no hard feelings because it is business
His style makes him injury prone. You can't hobble your team for half a decade with a giant contract like that.
He got hurt being a pocket passer do y’all not look at facts
@@pressamon5650 Very few of Lamar's critics actually watch games. They have zero idea how much that team lives and dies with him.
Get him an offensive line and some help on offense besides a tight end
Arthur Blank LET'S GET THIS DONE
This isn’t collusion, it’s common sense
The fact they think a team isn’t going to pay him that is insane to me!!! Cause there’s gonna be a team that pays him
Really, the Falcons, Panthers, Commanders, Dolphins are all out already. His options are the Jets and Raiders.
@@NPAMike No body is out those are all rumors.
@@freewifi7163 well it’s all speculation that there is a team out there that will pay him. It’s all speculation man
There's no team rn saying they want Lamaw
Nobody is paying him a guaranteed contract. That's the Crux of what he wants
As a ravens fan I'll miss him. You already know since they're messing with him he'll just get injured game 2 or 3 and call it a day
Bro he ain’t playing under the tag. He will sit out.
Where is the other Nick from Dallas??
The problem with his initial theory is that the non exclusive tag os only good today…or tomorrow..or the start of the season.. Even if no one offers Lamar what he wants, once the season starts, anything can happen..there’s gonna be a bunch of teams who thin “were a qb away”
Are you saying all he has to do is holdout until the season starts? Then he is free to sign with whoever he likes? I don’t know much about football contracts.