Corrections Vline Trains Westbound normally use Platform 10 at Flinders Street Freight Trains can also use Track 7 (Platform 7) The Northern and Burnley Group both run Antu clockwise in the morning and Clockwise in the afternoon The newer concrete viaduct was built in 1978 not 1987 (Pretty sure I just made a typo in the script) As of 2023 track 1a and Aa have been booked out of service
The Burnley group goes anti-clockwise in the morning (to Flinders Street via the City Loop) and clockwise in the afternoon (direct to Flinders Street, then out via the loop) on weekdays. In other words it does the same thing as the Caulfield group in the morning, but switches direction in the afternoon. :)
Also, the reason for the new viaduct being straighter would be because the ship turning basin which constrained the old viaduct's position was no longer necessary. It was filled in either shortly before or shortly after the viaduct was built, but you can see the location where it starts and ends in the modern seawall still!
The Aquarium came much later, the old Viaduct had the bend in it to allow for the long gone ship turning circle in the Yarra River that the new Viaduct didn't have to avoid as it was gone when it was built.
With the Northern Loop, they run via the City Loop to Flinders Street in the morning and then onto Southern Cross and the reverse in the afternoon - via Southern Cross to Flinders Street and then back out through the Loop.
I’m fairly sure the Burnley Group lines travel anti clockwise around the City Loop in the morning and then clockwise in the afternoons and on weekends.
as a regular sunbury line user, up northern group trains in the morning actually travel through the loop via melb central, whilst in the afternoon they travel direct to flinders st via sthn cross. edit: nvm i saw the pinned comment
Some errors, but others have highlighted it. 1A track has been out of service since 2013. Gippsland V/Line trains cannot run over the Caulfield viaduct and therefore don't run through platform 6. Basically all use platform 7 outbound and can use 7-10 & 12 city bound. Freight trains can also take these same paths, however generally use 9A. Also since you didn't talk about platform 14. In service trains don't stop there, but empty car movements or event trains etc can and do use it.
I have to say that you got the bidirectional loops travel the wrong way around. They both travel via the loop to Flinders Street in the morning and then travel directly to Flinders Street in the afternoon.
But remember that the Northern group clockwise goes direct to Flinders St first and provides service from parliament back to Flinders St while when the Burnley group goes clockwise it goes from parliament direct to Richmond. I think they've done it this way to ensure you can always get from the lip to Flinders St or the other way round. Previously in the afternoon the only way to get to southern Cross or Flinders St from the loop stations was to go to Richmond or north Melbourne and back track
@@VictorianTransportHistoryBurnley group trains go Anti-clockwise in the morning so they travel from Southern Cross to Flinders Street on your diagram and in the afternoon, they travel Clockwise, Flinders Street to Southern Cross but you mention and show that they go the other way around. With the Northern group, they travel Flinders Street to Southern Cross in the morning and Southern Cross to Flinders Street in the Afternoon.
i think you got the build date for the new viaduct wrong. it was there long before i left melbourne and i left in 1987. it might have been built in the 60's
No no. The Burnley trains go the other way then what you said. Anti clockwise (loops, then flinders st) in the morning and clockwise (flunders dry, then loop) in the afternoon and weekends.
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Corrections
Vline Trains Westbound normally use Platform 10 at Flinders Street
Freight Trains can also use Track 7 (Platform 7)
The Northern and Burnley Group both run Antu clockwise in the morning and Clockwise in the afternoon
The newer concrete viaduct was built in 1978 not 1987 (Pretty sure I just made a typo in the script)
As of 2023 track 1a and Aa have been booked out of service
The Burnley group goes anti-clockwise in the morning (to Flinders Street via the City Loop) and clockwise in the afternoon (direct to Flinders Street, then out via the loop) on weekdays. In other words it does the same thing as the Caulfield group in the morning, but switches direction in the afternoon. :)
Also, the reason for the new viaduct being straighter would be because the ship turning basin which constrained the old viaduct's position was no longer necessary. It was filled in either shortly before or shortly after the viaduct was built, but you can see the location where it starts and ends in the modern seawall still!
The Northern Group runs clockwise in the morning and anti-clockwise in the afternoon.
The Aquarium came much later, the old Viaduct had the bend in it to allow for the long gone ship turning circle in the Yarra River that the new Viaduct didn't have to avoid as it was gone when it was built.
With the Northern Loop, they run via the City Loop to Flinders Street in the morning and then onto Southern Cross and the reverse in the afternoon - via Southern Cross to Flinders Street and then back out through the Loop.
I’m fairly sure the Burnley Group lines travel anti clockwise around the City Loop in the morning and then clockwise in the afternoons and on weekends.
Can you do the junction at Sunshine or Tottenham Station/Yard?
I was just about to suggest this myself
You could do pre 2018 Caulfield,Sunshine, Dandenong, Epping and much more
Another great video, well done.
You should do the Caulfield Junction 😊
When northern group trains terminate/originate at Flinders (no loop) they can use any platform at Flinders. Often platform 10
Awesome video thanks 👍
Random Question, how did you make that diagram?
Adobe Illustrator
as a regular sunbury line user, up northern group trains in the morning actually travel through the loop via melb central, whilst in the afternoon they travel direct to flinders st via sthn cross.
edit: nvm i saw the pinned comment
Great video!
Some errors, but others have highlighted it. 1A track has been out of service since 2013.
Gippsland V/Line trains cannot run over the Caulfield viaduct and therefore don't run through platform 6. Basically all use platform 7 outbound and can use 7-10 & 12 city bound. Freight trains can also take these same paths, however generally use 9A.
Also since you didn't talk about platform 14. In service trains don't stop there, but empty car movements or event trains etc can and do use it.
Since late 2023 tracks 1A and AA at Flinders Street have been booked out of service and unavailable for rail traffic
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I have to say that you got the bidirectional loops travel the wrong way around. They both travel via the loop to Flinders Street in the morning and then travel directly to Flinders Street in the afternoon.
hmm, you would think that they go opposite directions because 2 groups going Anti-Clockwise and 2 groups going Clockwise
But remember that the Northern group clockwise goes direct to Flinders St first and provides service from parliament back to Flinders St while when the Burnley group goes clockwise it goes from parliament direct to Richmond. I think they've done it this way to ensure you can always get from the lip to Flinders St or the other way round. Previously in the afternoon the only way to get to southern Cross or Flinders St from the loop stations was to go to Richmond or north Melbourne and back track
@@VictorianTransportHistoryBurnley group trains go Anti-clockwise in the morning so they travel from Southern Cross to Flinders Street on your diagram and in the afternoon, they travel Clockwise, Flinders Street to Southern Cross but you mention and show that they go the other way around.
With the Northern group, they travel Flinders Street to Southern Cross in the morning and Southern Cross to Flinders Street in the Afternoon.
What happened to Sandringham? 😢
it didn't deserve to be in the diagram
Sandringham line doesn’t use the viaduct (at least not anymore)
i think you got the build date for the new viaduct wrong. it was there long before i left melbourne and i left in 1987. it might have been built in the 60's
My mistake the new viaduct was built in 1978
No no. The Burnley trains go the other way then what you said. Anti clockwise (loops, then flinders st) in the morning and clockwise (flunders dry, then loop) in the afternoon and weekends.
Why is it not all bidirectional?
I don't think there's a real need, the current arrangement works just fine.
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@@VictorianTransportHistory oooo exciting
Great video!
How did you make the diagrams?
@@victoriantransportvideos Adobe illustrator
@@VictorianTransportHistorythank you