LA Noire - Cole Phelps' Past
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The following scenes are flashbacks from Cole Phelps' past during the war and are shown before and after some cases in L.A. Noire.
The last two scenes will be played during the last case and after the game credits.
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Video recorded on: Microsoft Xbox 360
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The flashbacks made me hate Phelps, while the present made me admire him, and his death made me pity him. This is a well written character and is the reason why L.A Noire is my favorite Rockstar game after GTA IV in terms of narrative.
Wel i think that's the genius of Cole's character, he learnt from his mistakes in the war and it changed him.
He started off wanting to make a name for himself, as opposed to actually wanting to fight for his country. What a selfish ass. But the guilt he felt after winning a medal (for essentially hiding in a hole) changed him into the present day Cole which was still trying to make a name for himself but more towards helping people.
L.A. Noire is not an Rockstar game they helped Team Bondi + they bankrupt them too that end up get L.A. Noire licensed
Angelo Busato ffs im about to play the game and you just spoiled his death for me
ffs is your fault that you check comment section not his fault
I actually really liked Cole Phelps, in spite of his past and questionable behavior. Made him far more believable as a character, and strangely admirable when trying to make up for it.
I liked Phelps *because* of his past and questionable behavior; flawed characters are my favorite because they are realistic and believable
@@DeadlyTowersSux exactly, no one is perfect
While his early war days Glory-Seeking were clearly selfish and self-centred, I don't think the Cave Fiasco was really his fault. Or at least, it could have been much worse.
Hogebooms idea to bring in Tanks would have taken too long (and Tanks in a cave might get stuck, further hampering things) and while Kelso's decision to blow the cave could have saved alot of time, it would have resulted in hundreds of people trapped in a cave slowly dehydrating to death, as no-one would know they were there.
Keep in mind, these people were Civilians, not combatants, so their deaths were purely tragic and not "A Necessary Part of War".
Cole's decision to clear the caves with Flame-Crews and then Escort out Civilians WOULD have worked. But when they were moving in, they were ambushed, and Hogeboom escaped from the Troop and lit the cave up anyway.
A Big Part of the War Flashbacks in Cole Sympathising with the Japanese (Talking about Pearl Harbor for instance, and how he doesn't blame them for attacking US Soil), which makes him Unpopular Amongst his men.
Kelso wanted to Bomb the cave and move on because he didn't care for his enemy and only saw the Pragmatic Nature of the War.
Cole Genuinely felt bad for his Enemy and was trying to Save Civilian Lives, but his need to do so and his inability to do things any other way but 'By the Book' caused his greatest Tragedy.
That's my Two Cents.
It's his Fault, sure, but the Alternative was a Slow Death.
He couldn't adapt and (in his own mind) had to Follow Protocol.
It let him down, but he made the choice he thought was right and isn't a Collosal Failure like we all make him out to be.
@@DeadlyTowersSuxthis is exactly why I didn’t like Sadie Adler in Red Dead 2. They didn’t give her any shameful flaws like other rockstar characters.
i feel like there is one thing about coles character they could have removed
And thats his kids
They arent even shown Barely mentioned even
and all they do is make cole more of a dick when he cheats on his wife
without the kids it would be sucky but that that bad
Aaron Staton’s such a good actor. The way his voice cracked when he said “Stop the goddamn screaming!” was so good.
very sharp performance.
I just wish they gave him more job opportunities 😞
Especially when you consider he's having to do that while sitting still in a chair surrounded by a bunch of cameras, in a studio with nothing around you to help you get into character.
@@EightThreeEight absolutely incredible performance, never seen anything like it outside of a Rockstar game. their casting & direction put the industry to shame, no other developer even comes close. but Rockstar's an auteur with a demon, a crippling addiction to shark cards
@@jackclark4598I agree, no game has beaten RDR2 since it launched..m Cyberpunk ended up being a great game after 3 years but RDR2 has been a masterpiece since launch..
Cole Phelps was practically a realistic character, he had made actions that would be condemned by everyone, but he couldn't deal with the repercussions so he joins the police force to redeem himself. He's probably one of the most humble characters in a Rockstar title.
Phelps' anger at the medic for killing that guy makes me laugh considering how many street criminals I had to just shoot the shit out of playing the game.
BobBX542 And how he did the same thing to the dying civilians in the burnt down hospital that it’s destroyed. Pretty hypocritical
Buster The Bear That's different though. The wounded guy could've been saved. The people _on fire_ in the hospital were pretty much dead. They just did a Mercy Kill to end their suffering of being burnt alive.
@@LittleBigPlanetian Wounded guy could've been saved... yeah, I doubt that judging he got put out of his misery by an experienced medic.
Old comment but nice profile picture, I legit was just looking at Willam Blake’s The Great Red Dragon 10-15 minutes ago. What a coincidence.
It definitely pissed off his platoon when he ordered the Marines to humanely kill the civilians but blasted the medic for mercy killing their own injured
Don't fight for medals fight for the guy next to you
Well said.
+lockandloadization Always stick by the man beside you and fight for him. your life is in his hands and his is in yours. Work together and you get to go home when it is all said and done. That is how my great grandfather survived WW2, Korea and Vietnam.
+Travis M Simpson wow props to your grandad
unless at you were at ohama beach. there you just tried to survive.
+hey buddy *you
I liked how you played as a character with flaws. It made it feel more real.....but I would have liked to play as jack kelso
You do play as jack, just later in the game.
westben2000 You can play as Jack Kelso. But only later in a game.
Jack should be the protagonist in a sequel.
You must not have got far as Jack's playable.
Yeah, I know, 5 years later. Anyway, playing the remastered PS4 game brought me here. Jack Kelso is definitely a more admirable character. He's courageous. He has lines he won't cross, but has sympathy too for those who do and pay the price. But playing as Phelps is in keeping with traditional film noir, which generally feature otherwise decent people who make mistakes, and do cross lines that can't be uncrossed. That's Phelps, the doomed hero.
Rockstar should make a war game.
Hi Shepard. :D
John Shepard ww2 game
Vietnam war will work better i think
Yea that would be cool
If they'd make a war game the US government would ban the game right away. It would show the war as it is, not like how the media does it. They encourage our kids to kill themselves in the name of "freedom". Anyways, they really should make one, it would be awesome!
Everything that made Phelps a bad lieutenant made him a great detective/cop
How so?
@@xxxxxx5868 He had learnt from his mistakes during his time as a Lieutenant, that's what made him a great detective.
Also his meticulous attention to detail and desire to do everything by the book
@@crazy4gta1 yeah spending an entire hour meticulously combing through a crime scene might be great as a cop not so much in an active warzone
@Josuke Ruins Everything I think you make a lot of good points. I question if Phelps was ever really a good man, though. His sacrifice to save Elsa and Kelso may have been the only truly selfless act he commits through the whole game. Even when he was in arson he was looking for a big case as a way to redeem his reputation. His stature as hero seemed more important to him than seeing justice done. Maybe that's why Roy Earle pulled strings to get him into vice.
As an officer, Phelps was an asshole who was only interested in his own glory. But at least he learned from his mistakes and tried to do good as a cop.
In WW2, Cole was no different from Roy Earle.
@@jorgebersabe293Yes he was. Earle was just a douche, who’d do anything to both get on top while also being crooked and not carrying about any citizen (also racist) while masking to others. Cole on the other hand just wanted to get to the top and was willing to sacrifice himself and comrades, however, you can argue that he only did what he was told and followed the rules layed out. He understood war and even respected the other side which were the Japanese. If you’re only looking at it from one angle then yeah they are similar but as a whole they are very different.
i respect kelso for his strong character & integrity but cole character is very relatable. life goes on even though we re haunted by our own dark side.
i hate his integrity
Why?@@themagicalgamer6522
Why isn't this the standard for all video game cutscenes at this point? Their facial expressions look so much more realistic than any game to date, and this was released five years ago. I expected next-gen to consistently deliver this quality of cutscenes or better.
Yung Zoink The face scan stuff is incredible but super hard and expensive to make. Also uses a fuckthon of space
When this game first came out it had four discs because of the cutscenes and there's like 12 hours of them so it's like a mini series.
Have you seen what triple A games had become? And not ony for Quantic Dream games, it DID became a standard the ability of making every face photo-realistic
@@alienatedmind9703 I remember that four disc system for the game. I borrowed the game from a friend and his copy was four discs all the way back.
@@alienatedmind9703 it's 3 for the 360
17:38 STOP THE GODDAMN SCREAMING! His voice kinda cracked.
Release the Voice-Cracken
Chris stone But thats the point it was a stressful situation.
Chris stone grade fucking A performance in my opinion. It was eerie to me so I had to re-listen to it.
When you hear a baby crying in public.
As others pointed out, that was intentional. Very good voice acting
I was shocked by the flashback scene where Phelps is shot in the back. It's a detail Phelps never mentions. Whether Phelps knew it was Courtney Sheldon who shot him is unclear, but he must've known he was shot by one of his own men.
I think Cole knew, they were having a heated arguement not too long ago so Courtney made perfect sense as the shooter. However, I also think Cole chose to remain silent about the matter because of his stubborness to prove himself for the Silver Star he thought he didn't deserve made him into a reckless person/officer and he knew he messed up at the cave giving an order that accidentally led to the death of civillians so Courtney puttimg him out of commission was actually a big favor to put a broken man out of a situation he no longer suited to be in. This also explain why Cole was so defensive toward Courtney being insulted by Roy Earle, he knew Courtney was a good man at heart despite shooting him in the back at Okinawa
When did he get shot? I missed it
@@cottoneyejoe8285 The scene where he orders his men to finish off the dying Japanese 18:08 He gets shot in the back by Courtney Sheldon
@@_Peremalfait Thank you
He knew, he also kept the .45 he was shot with for the rest of his life.
17:52 that scream is so sad. That's the scream of a broken man.
But he was actually the one who burned the village 🤔
@@galilalexandro4392 he was fooled into burning houses with innocent people by the Doctor. After the doctor lost control of Ira, Ira convinced himself that he is doing the people he killed a favor by sending them to a better place. It's really tragic that he accidentally killed a group of innocent people in the war and now that he's asking for help he was again confronted with him burning innocent people he didn't knew that was there.
*Hank* : "Are they cute?"
*Kelso* : "They're my sisters Hank."
Well are they?
@@saintniccage2818 I don't know.
There is no doubt Cole's thinking was too Rigid as far as tactics go, but he wasn't a bad leader. He obviously was better suited to Law than Army though, and I can respect his attempts to redeem some of his bad war time actions.
He wasn't a good leader. He was constantly getting all his men killed because he couldn't ever adjust to the situation. That's exactly what all these flashbacks are trying to get across. His failure in the military and guilt are a constant thing that hangs over his head.
The Samurai Cop I didn't say he was a good leader, but he wasn't a bad one either. Tactics were something he wasn't brilliant at, too rigid and by the book with no room for adjusting when needed.
Morally, he was good, although too idealistic.
+Reon Thornton Well you said he wasn't a bad leader so that either means he was average or good. He was neither of those.
The Samurai Cop Actually he was average. The majority of fresh out of training Officers behaved on similar levels to Cole. He was not some anomaly, he was what a typical new officer was like.
Unfortunately, unlike most officers, his lesson to improve him came very very harshly through a serious mistake, rather than being able to learn it from the more experienced or something more minor.
While Kelso's decision to seal the caves on Sugar Loaf Hill allowed his unit to advance more quickly, he likely entombed plenty of civilians and is responsible for more collateral damage than Phelps is. Phelps just had the misfortune of actually seeing the victims of his unhinged replacement flamethrower operator; he did not order Hogeboom to charge in as he did.
Throughout the game, Phelps is a victim of the system. He excels at OCS and makes an adversary of Kelso. He tries to stick to procedure in Okinawa and sees civilians incinerated. He does solid police work and outs some of the city's scum with Kelso's help, but is publicly shamed by a dirty cop and then unceremoniously killed. I saw young upstarts like Phelps all the time in the Air Force and I admired their discipline, but when I became an instructor, I made sure to tell trainees that they would one day have to improvise and simply use their best judgment, as well as solicit feedback from more experienced people.
6:50
Lt. Cole Phelps: 「あなた方の階層と名前を名乗って下さい。」
[ Anatagata no kaisō to namae o nanotte kudasai ]
"Please tell me your name and your military rank."
IJA Soldier: 「第十四大部隊所属兵だ。」
(He said his military rank. Couldn't translate it cos' I don't know proper English words. Sorry.)
Lt. Cole Phelps: 「貴様、何様だと思っているんだ!」
[ Kisama, nanisamada to omotte iru nda ]
" You, what do you think you are? "
Neil Daryl Sulit his rank is Superior Private
So, like a PFC in the US Army?
I don't get it, if Phelps asked for his rank and name and the Japanese gives his rank, then why Phelps slapped him?
@@diasifec9564 He was speaking in quite a colloquial way. 第十四大部隊所属兵だ means "I'm a soldier attached to the 14th battalion" - I don't think he actually states his rank. Japanese has different tiers of politeness and he spoke to Phelps as if he was talking to a friend basically. If he spoke to a superior officer in the Japanese Army the way he did, he'd probably receive the same response.
Essentially if we translate the IJA soldier's tone in English, it's the equivalent of "Bruh I'm from the 14th battalion." Very casual and informal way to address someone.
Jack Kelso was the man.
JAILHOUSE BLUES YEAH!!!
The flashbacks really make me dislike Cole, such a teacher's pet sorta guy. In the present he's admirable
He is exacly the same, it's just the circumstances that make him a bad G.I. and a good detective.
@@kentuckyfriedchildren5385 true, he didn't really change until his last seconds of life. The difference is that he was terrible at being a leader during war time, but great at being a detective for the LAPD.
I love L.A Noire, its a fantastic game, but it always ends up making me really depressed =(
It doesn't help that Roy and the chief aren't punished, either.
@@jesusofsuburbia9128 yeah
@@jesusofsuburbia9128 yeah I wanted to kill that Roy and Mayor in the end none of them faced justice and it showed how dirty the system is.
I hope Rockstar make LA Noire 2 with Kelso as a playable charachter.
Same...
And people say games don’t teach anything.
I almost feel bad for Phelps, he knows that he didn’t deserve that medal. He knows he didn’t do anything accept break down over the loss of lieutenant Merrell. What made him a bad lieutenant made him a great detective. He followed everything by the numbers, by the book. It’s obvious that he hates himself for what he did, with the cave and hiding in the hole. He knows he didn’t deserve his promotion or the silver star.
Even Kelso tells him he shouldn’t be so hard on himself for it. Courage and cowardice aren’t switches you turn on or off, they are just reactions that exist in everyone.
Cole's nickname "The Shadow" followed him to the grave. Literally everyone who ever served under him died except for Jack Kelso, who chose to serve for himself.
Cole ended up being bad juju in the end.
Later some of Kelso’s guys ended up dead cuz of poor choices and naïveté….
In a lot of ways, Courtney at the end of the war was like Phelps at the beginning. Seeing taking part in the criminal underworld as a ticket to a better future just like Phelps saw the war as a ticket to a better future. It came, but at what cost...
It helps to highlight how Courtney and Cole are not so different, but they differ in that Cole started as a selfish man but turned selfless, Courtney started as a selfless man but turned selfish.
Courtney and Cole were also incredibly smart but misused their smartz
@@jorgebersabe293but Courtney wasn’t really selfish he entered the world of crime to better the lives of all the men he fought alongside the problem was that he was naive and underestimated the dangers of getting involved with gangsters
@@darthuchiha1418True, but selfish or not, both of their actions ended up killing multiple people and ruining several lives. It’s telling that Jack, who probably had the highest respect for Courtney in the war, can barely conceal his disgust for what he’d become.
Watching all these flashbacks made me want to pick up CoD WaW again. Had that retro war in the Pacific feel.
Playing WAW and then this game feels great to pickup somethings and kinda adds up for the game great.
I've always Identified more as Kelso, even ending up liking him the most.
A sequel with him, would be the tops.
I personally would love if l a noire happened in 1948 Los Santos,the same universe as GTA,and in 5 we would see 90 year old kelso or his descendant. I would literally sell my kidney to make this happen
@@sanddebil I'd love to see an old kelso interacting with the protagonist in the next GTA game.
@@jeffcase7827 yeah,but unfortunately la noire happened in Los Angeles,not in GTA universe,so this will never happen
This game's a gem
Cole S YES!!!
Watching Phelps’ flashbacks and seeing his flaws and arrogance yet you watch him try to be better really inspired me to make up for my personal past sins.
“A good man isn’t good at first, but a bad man trying to be better.”
-My dad.
Alright, this is legit the first time Rockstar has ever brought up WW2 content in their games. The funny part that even when it is for the first time, they do better than most of WW2 games nowadays.
They need to make a war game, straight up dude imagine them making a game on Iraq or pacific war or Vietnam?
12:58 That's some seriously good game/real acting I ever seen.. You can feel the emotions.
This game was one of the earliest depictions of war I saw in my life, and it genuinely terrified me
You can't water down war otherwise you're lying, it is what it is.
Phelps should have never been able to be an officer, his thinking was too rigid for wartime and he had the wrong frame of mind to enter combat.
Not to mention that when things got rough, he completely forgot that he was in charge.
Bllasae A good cop, but a bad soldier indeed, he just should have learnt to adjust to the situation.
But he did respect the enemy and learned from his mistakes after the war.
Cole flinching again after the explosion had already happened was a good detail. 12:50
Holy Crap, Never Noticed it.
Thanks for Pointing that out.
The cave thing wasn't Cole's fault, if the fucking cowboy didn't run ahead without the team and didn't go in shooting like a maniac the unit would of saw it's full of civilians before they all got burnt to death.
Salem Sunset I agree that it wasn't entirely Cole's fault, but he did give the order to clear the cave, not inspect it. And who knows, if they did inspect it and there were juts civilians, then Cole would be both publicly wrong and also still behind as he wouldn't leave until, "The Job was done." Obviously he didn't want that to happen, but if it didn't, it would arguably be less of an interesting story OR maybe even more hate on Cole's end.
Actually it comes down to either
a) clearing the cave out with the flamethrower like what Cole did
b) quickly sealing the cave shut with explosives, trapping the Japanese inside and allowing the squad to move up like what Jack wanted to do.
c) having the Shermans blast the ever living fuck out of the cave like what one of his squadmates suggested.
It does not end well for the civilians inside either way
The guys blame him because if he was capable of listening to anyone else's advice, it wouldn't have happened. The people giving him the advice weren't doing so to avoid casualties at all but it still seemed like cole was getting his just desserts for constantly sending his men to clear positions that in the grand scheme of things they probably didn't have to.
He was following stupidly unrealistic orders that assumed it would be possible for total annihilation and a pace that was practical for the overall operation. Cole wasn't leaving any room for reasonable deviations in his war effort due to orders and it was getting his men killed. He just doubled down after winning a star for being the only person in his squad that wasn't blown up.
The second scene where Phelps and Kelso are checking each other should be titled “the difference between doing this for the right and wrong reasons” Cole was in it for the wrong reasons dreaming of fame, medals, and glory as opposed to Jack who joins in for the right reasons which is to protect, serve, & fight for his country
DAMN! now I know why all the solders loved Kelso more than Phelps.... Phelps wasn't a real war hero after all bit he will always still the best cop in history .
and he's a really good man thou cause after Courtny shot him and he saw him dead later he felt sad for him and he refused the way Roy was talking bout him , even after three or four years from that bullet that Cournty shot it in phelps's back...He really respected him which makes him even better than kelso
Entregador de Leite Those darn moslims and their soo shitty opinions.
Courtney was a really interesting character. He told Mickey Cohen he was just a small man in a big coat.
@@entregadordeleite3133 Dude, don`t do that. You don`t have to be a racist asshole. You can be better than that
@@phreak761 so you just gonna let the person discriminate the muslim just because muslim "wasn't a race" pfff zionist shill as always use excuse for blaming muslim for everything
@@youraverageinternetperson4323 You are a zionist shill with the worst discriminative statement to ever existed let alone you taste that wws determine by your playlist is horrible
This reminds me of full metal jacket
More like COD World At War
It's crazy that we can see from Phelps flashbacks that he really wasn't capable of being a good leader. But because of his role in the war and his mistakes in the war it made him a great leader.
Cole is one of my favourite protagonists ever because our golden boy has such an flawed history. Makes him more interesting as a character. But I got to say I would much rather go out for a drink with Kelso than with Phelps.
I respect coles treatment of the Japanese, Treating them like human beings and individuals rather a bunch of murderous animals like everyone else at that time did, I think he has the "hate the person who committed the deed rather than his/her entire people" mentality. Thats sort of how I am as well, Judging them on what they did rather then the skin color of ethnicity.
That is good but, seriously, 'Japanese attack pearl harbor because American cut their oil' this kind of nonsense, out of line.
What this Cole guy even thinking? Watch Japanese expand their territory?
Instead, the maker of this game should put their fault of invading Philippines and those irony that they get along well with Japanese before broke the promise to acknowledge both of their colonies.
이진우 No, we did cut their oil beforehand. The oil embargo resulted in the Japanese losing upwards to 80 percent of their entire oil imports. Looking back, it's no wonder why they got so pissed.
Precision That is only half true. guess what happen before that happen. Japanese invasion to china and South east Asia and slaughter committed there.
That oil nonsense is what Japanese 'patriots' say when they defend their war crimes against 'ignorant' westerners.
Jack Rodden I not mad at you or anything. You certainly don't like sarcasm. My apologies. But still half true. cutting off of oil is what Japanese expansionism of that time bring. Blaming US for that is just excuse.
Jack Rodden I think he's raging because he and many Koreans and Chinese are upset that a lot of Westerners do not know about or ignore Japanese war crimes. When you look at what Japan did before the oil embargo was enforced (Mukden Incident, Nanjing Massacre, comfort women, chemical/germ warfare, and Unit 731), you'd think the cutting off of oil supplies is a slap on the wrist.
"as long as I live.. I'll never get over that sound"
~ *flute solo* ~
This game is uber realistic on one hand, and tons of cliche on the other. Whatever, the writing and the acting are absolutely stellar.
I like how they were talking about Cole while marching , and cole was there but he didnt say anything
And they mistakenly construed his respect for the Japanese as being a “Jap lover”. No wonder Courtney was able to easily convince them later.
While his early war days Glory-Seeking were clearly selfish and self-centred, I don't think the Cave Fiasco was really his fault. Or at least, it could have been much worse.
Hogebooms idea to bring in Tanks would have taken too long (and Tanks in a cave might get stuck, further hampering things) and while Kelso's decision to blow the cave could have saved alot of time, it would have resulted in hundreds of people trapped in a cave slowly dehydrating to death, as no-one would know they were there.
Keep in mind, these people were Civilians, not combatants, so their deaths were purely tragic and not "A Necessary Part of War".
Cole's decision to clear the caves with Flame-Crews and then Escort out Civilians WOULD have worked. But when they were moving in, they were ambushed, and Hogeboom escaped from the Troop and lit the cave up anyway.
A Big Part of the War Flashbacks in Cole Sympathising with the Japanese (Talking about Pearl Harbor for instance, and how he doesn't blame them for attacking US Soil), which makes him Unpopular Amongst his men.
Kelso wanted to Bomb the cave and move on because he didn't care for his enemy and only saw the Pragmatic Nature of the War.
Cole Genuinely felt bad for his Enemy and was trying to Save Civilian Lives, but his need to do so and his inability to do things any other way but 'By the Book' caused his greatest Tragedy.
That's my Two Cents.
It's his Fault, sure, but the Alternative was a Slow Death.
He couldn't adapt and (in his own mind) had to Follow Protocol.
It let him down, but he made the choice he thought was right and isn't a Collosal Failure like we all make him out to be.
best acting in any game ever, that makes this game deserve to win an oscar
"Damn....I was hoping to get me a samurai sword" best part
"I'm havin a bad day, private", lol no shit.
"Who are you 2, Abbot and Costello? So it's the 3 fucking Stooges". The Japanese will do the world a favor and kill you quickly". "What are your FUCKING names?", Lmao who pissed in his coffee?
Drill sergeants were often like that to toughen up soldiers.
Watch "Full Metal Jacket"which had a real drill sergeant in to get a better glimpse into how bad it was
***** Yeah that one was just cruel
Lowest army rank, so it should be like "soldado raso" or something
+Laurie Coulthard May I ask you a question, sir?Is the drill sergeant being exceptionally hostile to Phelps and his friends 'cause they are OCS or is it a common occurence to everyone in marine corps back in the day?
I think that's called a military handshake
The Vibe from the Okinawa Scenes is Pure Gold !!
Cole Phelps is exactly like those guys that you see and are like "the typical perfect guy who does anything wrong" but later you realize that those kind are the worst sons of bitches
And exactly is that feeling that you got in the beginning and you realize it during the story
Yeah, but Cole genuinely set out to be a good person, and redeemed himself. By Going against the GI housing fund, he knowingly sacrificed his image in pursuit of justice and truth.
Cole from past to present, reminds me a little of Arthur Morgan and John Marston. All have had pasts that they're not proud of, but.. All, eventually, found redemption for their pasts, and they all died a hero.
Cole died saving his rival's life and his lover's life.
John died saving his family's lives.
And Arthur died saving John's life. And all 3 are loved by fans..
exactly
I noticed since GTA 4, most of Rockstar Games' stories focus on the theme of characters trying to redeem themselves of their past actions.
17:39 Phelps with that dope auto-tune.
One of the only problems with this game in my opinion is that his WW2 time was only showed through flashbacks, I wish you were actually able to play as him giving it a bit more action
Zachary Dorer you don't need another shooter, if you want to play play in ww2 play call of duty
Being able to play during short snippets of gameplay in the ww2 flashbacks would have brought more depth to Cole's history.
how you have come to that conclusion from wha he said i don't know, he said action, as if the game should have been about action. the premise of the game wasn't to be soldier in ww2. LA noire didn't need to be that, rockstar has such a wide range of third person games where you can go on a killing spree.
World War 2 was about action. I would have loved the game like I do now even if it did not have the ww2 story arc because I love the game and how it challenges you to think. Not many games were able to do that like L.A Noire. But what I was trying to get at was such an important story arc should not be saved for just cutscenes because its a video game. I hate when games leave some of the most important parts unplayable and just showed through cutscenes. Its a game. You are supposed to play it. I can understand it being a cutscene if its just dialogue but if its a war scene like some of these it should have been playable (on a side note I love the history of WW2 so that may influence my opinion a little)
Augustus Sammons But there is action in this game....
Jack Kelso is one hell of a soldier and NCO. I wish I could have played most of the game as him.
Thomas Diez marine*
@Idk Idk No they're not. Marines and Soldiers are two different kinds of servicemen, get it right.
@@officercat7907
Bullshit lol
Marines are just soldiers deployed from ships and capable of fighting at sea.
I get it but really. Lol
@@officercat7907 Marines and soldiers are the same thing. It's marines and army men that are different.
But I have a doubt, after the War when Cole started to work as a detective, he received a lot of attention by the newspapers and the LA society in general, did Cole really want that? He always said that he was just doing his duty, Being an incorruptible detective was his job, and we all know that he was doing that for Redemption for all the shit that happened in the War. But do you think that he really wanted all that fame? Because I mean, when he entered to the army that's What he wanted. Recognition and glory. So the question is, Cole was a good detective because of Redemption, or because he wanted that glory that he couldn't get in the War. Anyways, Cole is in my opinion, one of the Best characters, he has humanity and we all can see that he is not perfect. Man I fucking love this game. And that final though. Damn :/
Very great insight. Perhaps he felt ashamed of the glory he wanted in the war, but instead found guilt and devastation. And now as a great detective that guilt comes back whenever he receives a citation for closing a case.
"When he entered to the army"
Oh god, a few sentences that made cry inside.
He is not in the army, he joined the Marines. Different branches, Marines is where they send off to Pacific and Army is where they send off their soldiers to Western Europe
When I started playing I thought Phelps was awesome and Kelso was an asswipe, when cole cheated with Elsa I started to see a bad side to him and after playing the first Kelso mission i realised Kelso was a much better character.
Peter's evil brother Thaddeus but Elsa was better than Marie any day from what we see of Marie Phelps she seems like a jerk
I wouldn't say better but he is a good character. Cole is more complex which makes him perfect protagonist.
BunkerWulf 44 it doesn’t make a difference if she was a jerk or not. He cheated on his wife, maybe that’s why she was such a jerk cuz she knew he was shit
Phelps was a broken man, even if he did not show it to a lot of the characters
@@Bunkerwulf44 Elsa was a slut and we never really saw Marie in the game just two times,the first one in the beginning and she looked like a caring wife and mother and the second was when she was all heartbroken because she found out that Cole cheated on her
Kelso was the effective leader Phelps dreamed of being, with none of the credit--
I think Phelps knew that he failed in the war because he was doing it for fame. He let that go when he came back home and became such a great detective because of it. aspiration for fame wasn't the motivation behind his duties anymore. He finally just wanted to help the world to become a better place.
Too bad Kelso couldn’t convince the others not to steal the morphine…
@@matthewriley7826He didn't want to anger his marines so he just let them but he made sure to not get involved am
While his early war days Glory-Seeking were clearly selfish and self-centred, I don't think the Cave Fiasco was really his fault. Or at least, it could have been much worse.
Hogebooms idea to bring in Tanks would have taken too long (and Tanks in a cave might get stuck, further hampering things) and while Kelso's decision to blow the cave could have saved alot of time, it would have resulted in hundreds of people trapped in a cave slowly dehydrating to death, as no-one would know they were there.
Keep in mind, these people were Civilians, not combatants, so their deaths were purely tragic and not "A Necessary Part of War".
Cole's decision to clear the caves with Flame-Crews and then Escort out Civilians WOULD have worked. But when they were moving in, they were ambushed, and Hogeboom escaped from the Troop and lit the cave up anyway.
A Big Part of the War Flashbacks in Cole Sympathising with the Japanese (Talking about Pearl Harbor for instance, and how he doesn't blame them for attacking US Soil), which makes him Unpopular Amongst his men.
Kelso wanted to Bomb the cave and move on because he didn't care for his enemy and only saw the Pragmatic Nature of the War.
Cole Genuinely felt bad for his Enemy and was trying to Save Civilian Lives, but his need to do so and his inability to do things any other way but 'By the Book' caused his greatest Tragedy.
That's my Two Cents.
It's his Fault, sure, but the Alternative was a Slow Death.
He couldn't adapt and (in his own mind) had to Follow Protocol.
It let him down, but he made the choice he thought was right and isn't a Collosal Failure like we all make him out to be.
When Phelps said “SHUT THE GODDAME SCREAMING “ ....
It hit me...
I just can’t get it out of my head...
I hate war....
What's so cool about celso? He was such a simple and non complex character that he kinda just bores the shit out of me. And when I see Coles leading, I see a man that is by the book and follows orders. He didn't know there would be civilians in that bunker. He was just doing his orders, not seeing that it might have a bad moral consequence. He was a damn good detective and gave closure to more families than any other detective in his department. He was rough, but it was all for good. He was selfless to the end, and I think all the good he did redeemed him. He's honestly one of the best characters ever written in video games.
Lucipurr
I like it because it highlights that leadership doesn't just come from rank. A rank is a rank, but the man makes it real.
Phelps was an officer who was by the book in everything he did and strove to ascertain glory. This made him extremely dangerous to be around, because he had no qualms about ordering his men to their deaths if it meant that he would make rank or earn a medal -- to become famous. Because he was so by the book, he was incapable of adapting to the way in which the Japanese fought (which was extremely unconventional) and that made him weak and predictable. He was in charge, but never once was he in control, and that made him a terrible officer.
Kelso, on the other hand, dropped out of OCS, enlisted at MCRD San Diego, and gradually became an Enlisted NCO. He was such a respected leader that he went from a Private First Class (E-2) all the way to a First Sergeant (E-8) in less than four years. Although Kelso technically answered to Cole by way of not being an officer, Kelso also had the respect of his men and realized that war is not a black and white scenario where one must fight one way all the time. In fact, those who fail to adapt and diversify their strategies are often the first ones to die, or even worse, the first ones to get their men killed like Cole did.
This entire flashback is all about playing with perceptions. Kelso is perceived initially as being callous and dismissive, the very type of person who you think would be a bad choice for leadership, but it is turned on its head when Kelso actually ends up being the perfect foil to Cole (and a better leader than him, in my opinion) because of his ability to NOT be so by the book.
Lucipurr AMEN!
Good characters and good leaders are two different things.
@@Duskets Cole is like Lord Shimura: A terrible leader due to his rigidness and being so by the book, that he fails to readjust his strategies when everything goes to shit.
Jack is like Jin Sakai: A man who obtained more chances of success due to his ability to think outside the box.
17:51 Poor Ira...
Jay Thompson I think he was trying to finish the people.
TheDEATHHIT Nope he wanted to kill Cole but his flamethrower ran out of fuel.
Vaickingo2.0 Yeah looking back I think so too.
TheDEATHHIT you can hear the clicking of his trigger as he runs up screaming, he's out of fuel and tried to kill cole
fritzVirginSteeler Indeed, for me Ira is a tragic villain.
I remember that last scene, came after the credits, it really brought the game a couple notches in the last 10 seconds.
It’s also damn disrespectful of them towards Kelso to go through stealing it anyway.
0:43 - 1:40
i literally cannot stop laughing.
ikr
yeah yeah....swears... so funny
...maybe for kids but whatever
+Bartosz Skorupa Have you seen, full metal jacket?
Mr.Blonde Gaming Yes. It was the most pathethic excuse for a humor I ever seen.
You seem like a fun guy.
I love the scene with Phelps interrogating the japanese soldiers. He shows how important it is to look behind all the propaganda.
True, but sometimes it’s better for troops to have a clear cut good vs evil mentality, rather than the reality that the war was largely about Japan’s lack of resources. It’s the same with the American civil war. Freedom vs slavery is an easier sell than preservation of a union and federal system that didn’t really exist in the mindset of many Americans of the time.
I think the ending made a lot of sense, I think he knows he made a lot of mistakes in the war and only got that medal because of other people. And he understands why everyone else hates his guts, so he tries to be the best cop/detective he can so he can for the sake of justice and to fix his wrong doings as a lieutenant. He goes so above and beyond to get the validation from other people that his soldiers didn’t give him. But it still eats him away. He doesn’t think he’s a good person and his validation goes away when he’s thrown under the bus by a dirty cop, so he has to find validation within himself, and he accepts his fate when he’s in those sewers. The others will get out because he’s going to make sure of it, well aware his chances are slim. He’s finally put himself first over his “men” and gets washed away a happy man.
"Goodbye..." That Haunts Me To This Day But I Can Understand Now Why He Sacrificed Himself
Cole seems like a poor leader.
He seems like he was straight out of officer camp. He is bad because he only follows his order instead of adjusting to the situation . He failed to do that. An Okinawa was hell .
The military has a word for guys fresh out of OCS and unable to adapt: Bootenants.
hell of a detective though
He is, he is the kind of leader who will sacrifice all of his men under in his command for a piece of ribbon and he sees the war and his leadership role as a means to get fame and fortune hell if it means the well being and lives of his troops are spent
@@Duskets So in the other words, they play by the textbooks
Every man begin as young fools. And with each experience and hardship, we grow and learn as men.
3:40 "Kelso IN MY OFFICE NOW!" I was like "Busted"
Cole came back and wanted to forget the war. Jack came back proud of his service and moved past the war. Ira lost his mind because of the war, Hank never came back and Cortney couldn’t move away from it. War is hell
"Say goodbye to your friend Hank, Jack."
"Goodbye Hankjack!"
These flashbacks shows the best and worst of Jack and Cole respectively. Jack is a brave and honorable man who doesn't back from a fight and Cole was an arrogant, glory seeking opportunist. Cole would later change his whole perspective completely after these events and becomes the humble person that he was to the end.
I have not enjoyed a game more than this masterpiece (ever). I know it came out several years ago, but this is the 1st time I played it. Can't wait for the new content to be released in November.
Phelps : Book Smart, Naïve Commander
Kelso : Book Dumb, Understanding Leader
jack might be hot headed at times, but he definitely was a pin to phelps side, thats why i love kelso so much, he can tell you off for your shit and not afraid to show it.
Jack's badass, Rockstar should make him the protagonist in a sequel.
The 6th Marines did fight in Okinawa. They even say it in the game, it was the battle for Sugar Loaf Hill. Look it up, it was a real battle.
I'm sorry but I don't see how anyone could consider Cole a coward. I do believe that he was very disoriented and it didn't help that every time he looked up everyone was second-guessing his orders.
Because he was way too rigid and didn't really adjust. And no one was second guessing his orders, his orders were getting people killed and he couldn't see that.
Some people here think that Phelps was a coward, but I respectfully disagree. He was an incompetent officer, yes, but not a bad soldier, we've seen him put down a great number of criminals in some pretty uneven circumstances, when Phelps and his partners were at a disadvantage. Perhaps, he would have made it better as a private - leading people is truly not for everyone.
That Saergeant in the 1st cutscene has got to be my favourite NPC that's not one of Cole's sidekicks.
theory: phelps = mcnamara & kelso = rockstar. the rivalry is a perfect metaphor. the cutscene @ 8:20 - 9:10 is SPOT ON.
it shows phelps in a situation he can't get out by himself, but he's too stubborn to admit that. now kelso says securing the bridge's insanity, and that he just saved phelp's and his company's ass by boarding the river. phelps keeps screaming about orders though.
*a bomb explodes*
kelso: "that point is now moved. you have ten men left. my orders are to safe what's left!"
a lot of BAR's. and by the look of the landscape, i'm guessing they're in Okinawa
There was this tactic used during the Pacific war battles which was called blowtorch and corkscrew which involved using support gunners alongside a man using a flamethrower.
They are in Okinawa Cole says it in one of the homicide cases
Phelps was a bad Marine officer due to his rigid inflexibility. Being flexible in combat allows you to adapt to the situation. Being too inflexible bodes to a multitude of bad decisions. He had delusions of glory, medals, fame and honor. It was less important to protect and take care of his men. But, it was Okinawa. In all of the world at the time, Okinawa was probably one of the least desirable places to be on the entire fucking planet. So, it was not a place where you could be 'eased' into combat. You experienced the worst of it, and the smallest of mistakes got guys killed. Hell, you could not make a mistake at all and STILL get killed. That's war.
Phelps, if he just listened to his NCO's more, he might've been okay. But he thought he knew everything. A lot of freshly appointed officers are like that. Some learn, others don't and are despised by their men, and don't get a lot of help.
He broke on Sugar Loaf. No question about it. Can't blame him really. He never liked to acknowledge his medal. He knew he received it under dubious circumstances.
As a detective, he did a lot better. But he still was chasing the idea of glory, fame, medals and honor. He was effective, and I think because of how good of a case man he was, made the problem worse. His ego did him in. I think Roy Earle saw him, and made it a personal mission to slap him down and ruin him because, "Oh, you think you are better than me? You think your shit doesn't stink? Think again, pal."
Honestly, his time with Biggs was the most sympathetic Phelps was. Phelps knew he was a flawed man, realized he was like any man and made mistakes. But he still did the right thing. Towards the end he stuck up for his men, pulling a .45 on Roy Earle and telling he "Courtney Sheldon was a better man than you'll ever know. You say one more word about him and I will blow your fucking head off." Elsa even told Kelso that Phelps finally climbed down off his ivory tower and realized he was no better than anyone.
He sacrificed himself so that Kelso and Elsa could live. Some say this finally made him a hero. He's not. In the end, he's still a flawed man still trying to do the right thing. But this time, it was for someone else other than himself.
Fucking great comment dude, just played the game with my girlfriend, gonna show her this 👍🏻
Thank you for connecting these flashbacks! Now I can understand more, thank you again.
I loved the facial features in this game, I hope the same tech is included in GTA5
TheDrunkenmaster44 that'd be impossible
FutureRez Yeah, especially because this comment was made 4 years ago
I got news for you, 8 years later...
@@GiganticPyro 🤣😅😂
Bruh I feel like I just watched the best origin/arc ever an absolute masterpiece of tragedy with a dash of brotherhood
That would be so awesome. Would be nice to see a 'Nam game though, too many WWII games out and about already. Opening mission could be you running some errands and coming home to a draft card in the mail.
I feel that Phelps is the real man.
He did what he thought was right and even died like that.
He has a code and he acts quite fairly in a general sort of way, whereas Kelso only acted in the interests of his squad even after the war.
He didn't back down from anything once he got the evidence - not even in the face of death.
Kelso made a deal with the 'devil' and even acts like everything is fine at the funeral.
I think that's why people close to Phelps felt he was not a friend and were disappointed with him.
I love how Cole Phelps Try not to Laugh on 3:32
Lmao the drill sargent roasted the fuck outta all 3 of them
17:38 When you're watching a movie and a random kid starts crying
"No mature content" Thanks TH-cam.
I was always on Jack's side when it came to Cole, all Phelps wanted to be is a lieutenant for the recognition not for helping beat the enemy
True but later he should’ve been straight with Cole about the morphine. I know he was trying to be loyal to his unit but a lot of people still died and lives were ruined.
loving how everybody watching this video is treating it like a proper history lesson for some reason
20.53 what a speech
17:39 when are trying to figure out the question but you’re being yelled at
I lived this game, it's so underrated!
What happened to rockstars games, great games like red dead redemtion la noir gta 4 had complex characters and stories of redemtion you wanted to see to the end phelps had a complex story that you wanna see to the end but with gta 5 the gameplay got better but there was no redemption no complex protagonists, a crazy tweaker a cynical mid life crisis ex bank robber and a black man wants to get out the ghetto, still a fun game but it lacks the depth the older games had
American patriot R That's the point of it imo, it's a classic story of chasing money, it was a fun romp whilst the games you listed were serious stories.
Best crime game by far. We need more games like this and less boring FPS.
17:36-17:41 That beautiful voice crack.
0:50 1:10 when my supervisor screams at me and the co Workers for slacking at work 😂
This is the United States Marine Corps.. You haven't seen the Corps Drill Sergeants loose their cool I guess trust me you wouldn't like the constant berating, screaming, tormenting and mental abuse you'd get from them..
A veteran of the war in the Pacific against the Japanese as an honored police officer of Los Angeles, a true honor.
I really wonder how the actor that played Cole got some of those lines out. Especially that flashback where he’s defending the Japanese when they got them hostage