America's Freight Train - F4U-4B Corsair

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  • @Metrallaroja
    @Metrallaroja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    Just a note: The 2-3km no wep on climb trick for work you have to be in stage 1 until 3km. When you hit 3km you can already change to 2nd stage and use wep.

    • @Metrallaroja
      @Metrallaroja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The 1 stage for 100% changes at 3600m so in auto works the same

    • @Alpakinator
      @Alpakinator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Also WEP doesn't do anything above around 6k.
      Edit: I mean when climbing, WEP adds only around 30-60hp above 6k, the difference decreasing with altitude.
      Also when flying fast at 6k, the difference will be bigger, cause of ram effect increasing power above cl.

    • @Metrallaroja
      @Metrallaroja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yes, the ram effect is also applicable to wep at 2--3km

    • @mcchickenbaptistchurch.org2
      @mcchickenbaptistchurch.org2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      what?

    • @Spectification
      @Spectification 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@mcchickenbaptistchurch.org2 more air is rammed into the supercharger, so it functions with higher efficiency. Same principle is applied to the RAM engines, which can only be started up at certain air speeds. That is why SR71 has a hybrid turbofan/ram engine, for low and high alts,because RAM engines are more efficient

  • @asadchatha4184
    @asadchatha4184 3 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    The Corsair's just radiate CHAD energy.

    • @tommyle7376
      @tommyle7376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      and it's not even the best performing corsair. Imagine if Gaijin puts in F4u-5. That thing is even more powerful

  • @turbonut1
    @turbonut1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Any time I'm in a DEFYN vid I'm sacrificed for carry magic

  • @The_War_Pug
    @The_War_Pug 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing multiple videos of a plane, as long as it teaches something

  • @jayklink851
    @jayklink851 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Those guns are insane, one of the few planes that can make 1.5km kills, just spray with a lead, surprisingly doesn't require a tremendous amount of gunnery skill.

  • @jdreyes3745
    @jdreyes3745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I find the AU-1 to be more fun than the 4B is, due to the fact that it has a dirt-cheap repair cost and is very easy to underestimate due to being an "attacker".

    • @quartzlandaker5664
      @quartzlandaker5664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      And you get an airspawn with basically the same plane

    • @FREDDYHUNTER34isnotliquid69420
      @FREDDYHUNTER34isnotliquid69420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah but DEAAAAAAMMMMMN the f4u is HAWT

    • @Litterbugtaylor
      @Litterbugtaylor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      *laughs in premium copy with 3.2k repair*

    • @kokko9507
      @kokko9507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Imagine advertising a plane that costs 300€. What a complete tetard you are.

    • @imwilllliwmi
      @imwilllliwmi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kokko9507
      You sound unhappy

  • @ddddddddddd5354
    @ddddddddddd5354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    "Mean Comment"

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      "cries"

  • @ClockPerfection
    @ClockPerfection 3 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    just use whatever plane if its a good game

    • @ambientlightofdarknesss4245
      @ambientlightofdarknesss4245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah, I don't mind if you use the same plane again and again. If we get to learn something from it then it's more than great.

    • @nadeemkhaouli8094
      @nadeemkhaouli8094 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      instead of buying a knife and gloves why just not buy me the gang gang kek

  • @twister300000
    @twister300000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Do you make your own thumbnails? I like it.

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yeah I do mostly, hazey made the tank ones tho

  • @Jrp_Frame
    @Jrp_Frame 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for including your plane setup (eg; Ammo belt, convergence) you're the best, really appreciated.

    • @SammoWolvezz
      @SammoWolvezz ปีที่แล้ว

      I must have missed that. What was it/timestamp?

    • @jaek__
      @jaek__ ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@SammoWolvezzin the description

  • @The3rdThe1st
    @The3rdThe1st 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If it's a good game and you like it post it! I love seeing all your flying. It helps a lot. Same plane, more footage to learn from!

  • @dedmajor
    @dedmajor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Can we just take a sec to appreciate how gorgeous the F4U is

    • @Blitzcreeper239
      @Blitzcreeper239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Aircraft beauty is entirely subject to opinion, I find most fighters absolutely gorgeous in their own ways, can't say I hate the 109(most people do) and can't say I love the Spitfire(most people do). I have a hard time accepting twin engines as good looking though, but there are some nice ones out there. Personal favourite would be the J7W1 Shinden, probably. Was astounded by it since it was the first push-prop config I heard about.

    • @dedmajor
      @dedmajor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Blitzcreeper239 exactly yeah its subjective, tell that to the guy above.
      I love the j7w as well and when i got it in wt i was hyped as hell. My favourite looking plane is probably the Tempest with the Centaurus engine

    • @Blitzcreeper239
      @Blitzcreeper239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dedmajor Actually the only reason the "subject to opinion" part of my comment exists is because I read his comment :P

    • @edenbendheim
      @edenbendheim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Blitzcreeper239 Most people hate the 109's? I think they look spectacular, better than spitfires in some case. Also yeah the J7w looks great

    • @Blitzcreeper239
      @Blitzcreeper239 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edenbendheim As far as I can tell when the conversation of aircraft appearance comes up anyway. Usually on a history related video, not on a war thunder video though.

  • @jacekay6031
    @jacekay6031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'd love to see more of your F4U-4B games. I'm aware that making these videos is a lot of work, commentating etc, so have you considered making a second channel where you could just upload raw footage? I'm sure there are lots of people like me that would love to see more examples of how you play a certain plane, even if we don't get your excellent commentary. Might save you some work?

  • @JetFan-qp6fr
    @JetFan-qp6fr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic aircraft! Quite enjoying your recent prop gameplay.

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jets next time again :^)

  • @noobplaysyt2067
    @noobplaysyt2067 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    having more than 2 Ta152s in a game which doesn't have F2Gs is a nightmare in 5.7

  • @bradsheap6474
    @bradsheap6474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    **PLEASE MORE CORSAIR VIDEOS**
    This is by far my favorite ww2 aircraft.

  • @People_Tube
    @People_Tube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your the first person I go to if I need help flying a new plane, your extremely helpful, thank you

  • @mxs439
    @mxs439 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm learning a ton from your videos so I personally wouldn't mind more content. Keep up the amazing work!

  • @rudyvasquez9343
    @rudyvasquez9343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:37 beautiful aim adjustment

  • @x17TheQuietOne21x
    @x17TheQuietOne21x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I don’t mind seeing the same planes. I’m a mustang nut, so I’m looking forward to watching the P-51H carry games whenever they get uploaded

    • @Birbyvideography
      @Birbyvideography 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      personally there's something about the Mustangs that I just don't like. Maybe it's the fact that EVERYONE praises it, I don't know why the Spitfire is then my 2nd favourite WW2 plane, since everyone also praises that plane. Maybe the Mustang is too cliche for me.
      My #1 is the F6F-5 Hellcat btw. Third is probably the F4U-4B Corsair. Doesn't matter if the F6F-5 is slower than other contemporary American fighters, it hard carried the Pacific air war for a long time.

    • @dsdy1205
      @dsdy1205 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Birbyvideography >F6F hard-carried the Pacific War
      F4F: am I a joke to you?

  • @CallmeRoth
    @CallmeRoth 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Showing the same plane more than once is good for two reasons - 1. if its different variants . 2. The more different scenarios to learn from the better. 3.Potentially both 1 and 2 at same time.

  • @kendicus7640
    @kendicus7640 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ill tell ya, the explosive inside those 20mm rounds is the entire US arsenal

  • @BrakeCleanerRlz
    @BrakeCleanerRlz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    someone who finally appreciates my favorite plane

  • @frantztrouillot1578
    @frantztrouillot1578 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's your flying style I'm looking at! What planes or how many times you fly them doesn't matter. Keep it up👍🏽

  • @trotalmon479
    @trotalmon479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    dude yes my favourite aircraft, my 1 and only 8 kill game is with the f4u truly an amazing fighter

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gratz, they dont happen a lot. Only have gotten a few 7s in this so far, maybe I need to fly it more

  • @asiftalpur3758
    @asiftalpur3758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spaded this baby a few weeks ago.
    If Tyrone was a ww2 naval fighter.

  • @zoojuice7893
    @zoojuice7893 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Perhaps you can do a "footage dump" per say and name it something with a general theme. American planes for 1 vid etc. I'd be fine with that to watch, commentary or not.

  • @henryofskalitz2228
    @henryofskalitz2228 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    that intro is epic

  • @gliderfs621
    @gliderfs621 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:33 6th Army : Get your ass back here

  • @notdolandark
    @notdolandark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One problem that I see content creators have this plane is not using flaps they do Deploy extremely quickly but can survive for around 10 seconds going up Max speed and increase turning to an unbelievable level

    • @notdolandark
      @notdolandark 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I get an average of 2-3 kills a game with this thing and my top came with it had 6

  • @dinomra7771
    @dinomra7771 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the intro music.

  • @RedAssassin274
    @RedAssassin274 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    jesus christ defyn, those shots at 10:17 were fucking batshit crazy. goddamn bro, that was good!

  • @petrk7354
    @petrk7354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the song

  • @notoriousbadshot4591
    @notoriousbadshot4591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely don't worry about uploading more videos for the same plane! All your videos are interesting for many different reasons: strategy, gunnery, plane knowledge and simple fun. So go ahead! :D

  • @ricardogunnz2
    @ricardogunnz2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now i want to play New Vegas. Thanks DEFYN.

  • @hagakure81
    @hagakure81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This thing is excellent in ground battles too.

  • @ahmadjavedaj
    @ahmadjavedaj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn't mind seeing the same plane. I love to hear what you are thinking and how you are using your plane

  • @2milk867
    @2milk867 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    damn this intro song slaps

  • @ryanp5790
    @ryanp5790 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This plane is awesome when you’re team isn’t full of idiots that don’t know how to climb

  • @ohryuken
    @ohryuken 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally don't mind multiple video of the same plane it helps to showcasing it

  • @doodface6794
    @doodface6794 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:02 "AN/M3 20mm are the best prop guns in the game" did not age well unfortunately for every US player ever.

  • @_GODSFIGHTER
    @_GODSFIGHTER 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the best if not the best corsairs😊

  • @quartzlandaker5664
    @quartzlandaker5664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "If you are struggling with repair costs maybe chose a different plane" if you struggle with repair costs don't play USA

    • @SyntheticSpac3
      @SyntheticSpac3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Meh murican planes are mostly fine

    • @nebunezz_r
      @nebunezz_r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol, that's Italy.

  • @gpapazac
    @gpapazac 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't mind seeing the same plane in more videos. On the contrary its more educational if you play it

  • @Siddich
    @Siddich 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    its not boring, if you show planes multiple times, just makes it more tempting to try it on myself 🤗

  • @Eric.L.95
    @Eric.L.95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    took this plane out for the first time today, got an Ace my first round

  • @DustDevilJones
    @DustDevilJones 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most enjoyable propeller aircraft I’ve used so far

  • @tychoweidner379
    @tychoweidner379 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If this plane didnt have a repair cost of 16k sl i would play it al day

  • @THE_IS300_KID
    @THE_IS300_KID 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm here to learn and convince myself to fly realistic. I've been doing arcade dn using those tatics

  • @Dawa1147
    @Dawa1147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I dont mind showing the same plane again, esp if something has changend (the plane or its teammates/opponents)

  • @juanava2508
    @juanava2508 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly, you are awesome !!

  • @keinstein3714
    @keinstein3714 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think using 1 plane for serval vids would be a great idea and gives maybe a more in depth view of the plane and how it handles different scenarios. I would enjoy it, and i think it would offer a learning benefit. Thx for the great work :)

  • @dphalanx7465
    @dphalanx7465 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cant go wrong with more Corsairs!!

  • @SwissCowboy87
    @SwissCowboy87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    totally OP

  • @meepmeep2588
    @meepmeep2588 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only reason I use the beercan over this, is the damn repair cost, 24k is alot and the beercan is only 14k

    • @Litterbugtaylor
      @Litterbugtaylor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      *laughs in my premium copy with a 3.2k repair*

  • @Beowulf_DW
    @Beowulf_DW 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    God, I wish that British and Japanese 20mm hit even 75% as hard as ANM cannons.

  • @jayklink851
    @jayklink851 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, revisit the same aircrafts!

  • @brt94
    @brt94 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do whatever you want. We just like to see you fly

  • @AselevID
    @AselevID 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The corsair is my favorite airframe in game.

  • @hasecube1368
    @hasecube1368 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We don’t mind the same plane asking as it’s u obliterating enemies with ur fancy maneuvering

  • @pietyaa
    @pietyaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love chat after ta152 or bf109k4 kill.

  • @wotisaname8668
    @wotisaname8668 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This plane is so damn bad when its stock, but becomes a beast when spaded

    • @TheCrashyBoi
      @TheCrashyBoi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      For a plane that's way better when upgraded, the F4U-4B kinda surprised me
      My first match with the F4U-4B, dogfighted and killed a literal swedish jet
      Didn't even die

  • @jacekay6031
    @jacekay6031 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You mention you have 3 very good carries in the P51H. I've watched the other P51H videos on your channel but if you still have 1 or 2 that you haven't uploaded I'd love to see them.

  • @Siddich
    @Siddich 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    jingle jangle

  • @mrbones_7420
    @mrbones_7420 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ad2 is surprising good at climbing

  • @saparbajev
    @saparbajev 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i for sure want to see more p51h good games

  • @pietyaa
    @pietyaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    WT F4u-4b has lowered stats. In the 5 reference documents top speed is 721 km/h (5400m) climb rate is 25,1 m/s. So F4u-4b is nerfed. WT should update this bird.

  • @matteobernardelli8414
    @matteobernardelli8414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use the premium version of the 4b for xbox accounts... A beast and it doesnt cost a kidney

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I wish I could get that one :v

  • @aceapache4914
    @aceapache4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always have trouble with the 20mm corsairs because they tend to rock the plane when they fire

  • @realdjaykay
    @realdjaykay 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jingle jingle

  • @ambientlightofdarknesss4245
    @ambientlightofdarknesss4245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always hated that corsair. I never did good with it. Probably mostly of how sluggish it felt and how shit the climb rate is. And I'm used to the more maneuverable corsairs. I always get dived on and ever have enough maneuverability to properly defensive fly.

    • @zeppelinreconops
      @zeppelinreconops 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Watch adam514s videos, he has a few on just the 4b

  • @zacharymurphy2099
    @zacharymurphy2099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great plane, if I could aim...

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Enough ammo for 2 kills at all times with this thing though :b

    • @XSpamDragonX
      @XSpamDragonX 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DEFYN Only time I ever need more than a few dozen rounds to kill a plane is the Ju 288. I'm not gonna risk getting close, and they're often too fast to get in front of, so I just engine snipe them and assume the fires will do their job, but nope, that FPE always forces me to make another pass.

  • @ChrissyTheBlack0
    @ChrissyTheBlack0 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The A-8's a joke, the F-8's deadly

    • @_GODSFIGHTER
      @_GODSFIGHTER 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No you just don't know how to use the A8

  • @vicious6661982
    @vicious6661982 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Think about if someone is bored only watch first match, if someone want more keep watching...

  • @Junr-lc7no
    @Junr-lc7no 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The thing that kills me is the repair cost

  • @jimmyvanocka8394
    @jimmyvanocka8394 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to see other carry videos ☺

  • @TheAmol297
    @TheAmol297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My strategy when I see DEFYN in the opposite team: Type "GG" in chat and then press and hold the J key for 3 seconds.

  • @shashlik7959
    @shashlik7959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could you do P47M if you have it? Haven't seen it in a while and I miss it lol

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do, might try soon

  • @ak1969
    @ak1969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best prop in game. Even i can do decently with this one....sometimes...

  • @mysteriumxarxes3990
    @mysteriumxarxes3990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey DEFYN, isnt jingle jingle from fallout new vegas?

  • @ViperPilot16
    @ViperPilot16 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like flying the 4B, but dam repair costs are out of control.

    • @dsdy1205
      @dsdy1205 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you fly the 51h for two games you usually get enough SL for a single 4b crash

  • @guitarguyvalery
    @guitarguyvalery 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe I have the premium version of this plane and I feel like I have to lead way more with it than you do in this video, and rudder is next to useless at anything over 350kph. I remember this plane being very good too but recently I can't do well in it...

  • @Jayjay-ef2gt
    @Jayjay-ef2gt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yesterday I found out that if you play a match at 5.0-6.0 in the middle of the night in the middle of the week, you will get absolutely smacked. Apparently that's when all the best pilots are playing. When you fly in the weekend it's very easy to carry your team most of the time. Will switch to a server in a different timezone tonight...🤣

    • @Relicoid
      @Relicoid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jayjay2961 you learn the most by getting shit on

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Getting shot on too hard doesn't teach you anything.
      Even when you do the "right" thing you will get killed if the skillgap is too big.

  • @alphaaquilla1359
    @alphaaquilla1359 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    man i love the f4u 4b i hope i got some tips of getting better of this beast

  • @eklhaft4531
    @eklhaft4531 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tend to underestimate this plane a lot.

  • @adrianmichael1332
    @adrianmichael1332 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got the first corsair, can you tell me some tips on how to use it? In the 5 games I've played with it I haven't gotten a single kill when I usually average 1-3 kills a game

  • @darthbader6506
    @darthbader6506 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't mind if you show the same plane a few times in a row. Its more entertaining and more educational if you had a good match anyway

  • @rozmanl
    @rozmanl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes, spam away :)

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will do lol

  • @burtonporter8437
    @burtonporter8437 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me410: am I a joke to you?

  • @Moonbearonmeth
    @Moonbearonmeth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was promised a picture of your cat :(

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I legit thought of it when I pressed the publish thing ._.
      Next one? x)

    • @Moonbearonmeth
      @Moonbearonmeth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DEFYN In an ideal world there would be a cat in every video but a cat in the next one is a fair compromise.

    • @asiftalpur3758
      @asiftalpur3758 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with moon bear on meth.

  • @arminferdinand5849
    @arminferdinand5849 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    favorite plane YEAAAAhh

  • @mysteriumxarxes3990
    @mysteriumxarxes3990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    in the chat they were saying u are a fake in 3:10

  • @milligun1841
    @milligun1841 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can play Yak-1 or Yak-1B?
    This is too op

  • @lukecave767
    @lukecave767 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    getting new vegas vibes

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Electro swing does that to you doesnt it x)

  • @pauliusUwU
    @pauliusUwU 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you be interested in the Ta-154?

  • @SFGS-yi5mw
    @SFGS-yi5mw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I prefer the P-51H

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another great plane, the P-51H definitely has more options vs props. Problem is the jet MM, but I mostly prefer the 51H too

  • @nando_br
    @nando_br 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try the Tempest MK5 again. Is just a brick now.

  • @michaelshort5751
    @michaelshort5751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thinking of moving from AB to RB. What airframes would you suggest I start with.

    • @dsdy1205
      @dsdy1205 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anything from tier 2 up

  • @ayushchougule8961
    @ayushchougule8961 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes we like some filler content, if you have vids we wanna see em!

  • @conradkaplan1579
    @conradkaplan1579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how does it compare with p-47m?