@@D3athM3tal-i4c No water power , wind power and some PV. My own and some from my utility company and some neighbors etc. Unicorn farts are powering the Germans. They power their brown coal power plants in Nordrhein Westphalen with Unicorn, Piglet, Tigger and parts from local Dragons who are being fed with Syrian refugees.
What an absolute nightmare. 2 above is sorta cold but not that cold for the far north Midwest when it can dip to -40. These EV toys will be really neat paperweights it sounds like. Strong hell no.
There is a reason EVs really don't work for the midwest. It doesn't matter how much the get pushed on people, at most I will only every go to a hybrid because of this.
@@christianmiller4422 one day the world will run out of fossil fuels however much we hate these things we are going to have to learn to like them at least a little bit if you want to get around
WOW, I couldn't live in Canada, to cold for me. I live down south in the U.S where in the summer it gets 100 degrees Fahrenheit with 95% humidity and dew point 50-60 percent, nice & sticky.
@@samwilson1507 I deliver my coal at the power plant on Lake Michigan. If I'm riding the SS Badger I drop it off next to the pier, they have a donation pile.
For those of us who live where -25° Celsius + Wind chill factor isn't uncommon in the winter, EV's suck BIG TIME! Anyone who has dealt with batteries in the extreme cold of northern climates , can confirm how battery drain due to extreme cold can turn a bad situation into a deadly situation. At least with an ICE vehicle, a block heater will assure me of a quick engine turnover; and I don't have to worry about dying.
Canadians will have to wait for E-Fuel made by imaginative US boys. Or continue use fracking oil from native's lands. When you talk about batteries you will have to wait for the Na+ cells. Those are happy @ -20 degrees celsius.
The truth about our governments pushing everyone into EV's is actually sinister. Once the average Joe was able to own a vehicle (thanks Mr Ford), he was free to travel wherever his heart desired. That mobility was freedom. That freedom unlocked opportunities that an otherwise stationary person could never have. EV's are prohibitively expensive. Not just to buy, but to operate. They have a fraction of the range of petroleum powered vehicles. Then they lose another 50%+ of their already meager range in colder temperatures. What I'm trying to say is that our ruling class is trying to take away our ability to be mobile. It's painfully obvious if you just listen to what they're saying. Listen to the World Economic Forum (a collection of Earth's billionaires) and you'll hear them say "you'll own nothing and be happy". This is totalitarianism, and it's creeping on incrementally. We can't allow them to take away the average person's ability to move around.
@@maynarddrivesfast804 Yes, the big bad government is guilty of „pushing“ us into clean renewable energy which does not cost you an arm and a leg, which does not stink, which does not mean you have to kowtow to the Mafia, murderers, fascists, slavers and genocidial russian potentates, which does not kill your children and which does not further the climate catastrophe. You know what? YES TO THE GOVERNMENT!
Well Tim just be glad that GM gave you that to test and you didn’t waste money buying it . I’ve said it a lot about the EV vehicles the tech is not there yet . At least not for long distance driving,towing,extreme cold temps . They’re best suited for inner city driving and being kept indoors till used .
Reminds me of the documented stories of homes switching from Gas lamps, to electrical... There are some hellish stories, and many places rolled back electricity installations and went back to gas until electrical standards developed.
Don't bet on it. I recently read article from 2015 that was talking about how Ev's new battery technology, and by 2022 we would have battery's that would have a range of 1000 miles or more . Don't believe the hype.
20 years from now, the Democrat party will have destroyed America and you will own nothing and be happy. Oh wait that’s only nine years from now. Sorry my bad. 20 years from now you’ll be living in an interment camp being ready to either work a 14 hour day or be killed.
Exactly, who's going to afford theses cars the elites? In 10 years $150,000 for the strip down model ? There's bigger players in the background than the Democrats, Biden's minions said one time the goal is one world order, and everybody will live in a 15 minute community you don't own a car everything you need is in 15 minutes of walking or riding distance on a bike. They're already mandates in Oxford England that they want to do this by 2040. Save the Planet you know.
I've always said this and I still maintain my position that EV's are not the solution and I'm not even interested in one for my main vehicle. This EV dream will not come to fruition.
Its not a dream. Its a dream to think there will be enough cheap fossil ressources for the next 300 years. Since ditching ALL fossil use i save a bunch of money every year.
@Wolfgang Preier fossil fuels are made from dying living things. Things are still dying last i checked. And many alternative fuels are available that the engines we have can be adjusted to run on for much cheaper than this ev nonsense.
So, um...this means that if you fully charge on a warm day and get say 300mi range at a cost of, say $30...then on a cold day if you fully charge the same $30 you only get half the range. In other words, "the effective range cost" is double in the winter environment.
Depends on the winter. In our winters i have about 30% less range in high winter and with snow on the roads and a winter storm. But our temps do not fall below minus 5 celsius anymore. We had -30 celsius in the 1980s. Long time ago...
Reminds me of old trucks and tractors when you had to literally start a camp fire under the vehicle to pre warm everything and then start the vehicle 😂😂🔥🔥
I think the power is being used to condition (warm) the battery and there is nothing left to actually charge the battery. I doubt that the solid state charger module is too cold.
Correct. We got the same problem with many EVs. Tested them repeatedly in Europe. All of them have the same problems. Some have more intelligent charging and battery-heating solutions, thats all. Nobody can circumvent physics. "Physics is the law everything else is a recommendation." - Elon Musk
I'm not looking to buy an EV right now but I really appreciate the information. You're talking about things I never would have thought about. Thanks Tim
I fly radio control airplanes that use Lithium Polymer batteries for their energy source. In the cold, 55 degrees. On New Year's Day, our club here in Iowa has a Chili Fly. I keep my fully charged batteries inside my jacket to keep them warm and, hopefully, get about 2/3's of a normal flight in. The cold zaps those batteries quickly.
There was no issue with the charger. The problem is that the battery became too cold to accept additional charge. The battery will hold its full charge when warm only. Also, the charger does not contain and inverter. All L2 style chargers are simple power switches. They communicate with the vehicle and then switch on the AC voltage coming from the wall to make a safe connection once everything is plugged together.
which appears to be a design flaw here with GM. They should have engineered and designed the battery to have a heater for the winter while charging. YES, use more energy and takes longer to charge, but at least it would charge. Time for version 2.0 already.
@@biz4twobiz463 "which appears to be a design flaw here with GM" not GM. No. GM did not design the cells and electronics. The same problem would happen with nearly every other EV that does not heat itself up before charging at 0 degrees Fahrenheit.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 ... which is a design flaw from GM, because this is a GM vehicle...and they should have considered that during the design process. If we were talking about BMW, then I'd be critical of BMW engineers as well.
@@biz4twobiz463 Oh well, you can‘t. It was not designed by either. If Tesla does this you may perfectly well blame them because they did design their own hardware. All others not. They all just buy at their suppliers and slap the thingies together, apply a weld here and a screw there and call it Automobile. You can blame the Borg from Warner and ZF - thats Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen - look it up, or Schäffler, Bosch. But not those poor boys and gals from Government Motors.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 ... again missing the point. Those poor folks at GM are engineers and they are not just pulling off the shelf components. They could have anticipated that issue and actually engineered a resolution. If you are calling GM engineers tech and parts pullers, then that is a strong signal to stay away. These GM engineers have the ability to modify a current design and make it better. They just need to.
yes, EV's do lose substantial range when temps are cold. Volvo found that their EV's lost about 40% of range when they were used in below freezing temps. yes, diesel trucks have to be kept on an engine heater when the temp is cold, however, once the truck is started and warms up, the driving range IS NOT affected by the cold.
"once the truck is started and warms up, the driving range IS NOT affected by the cold" correct. Any why? Because the range of fossil burning engines is ALWAYS affected, whether its cold or hot outside. Thats the main difference between fossil fueled and electric transportation.
@@scottyellis3442 Your assumption is flawed. Why does a thief steal anything? Because he was not educated as a child NOT to steal because it has consequences.
I had a Volt. My charger would error out and thankfully it had a gas engine to power it when the overnight charging failed. Long way to go with these electric vehicles still. Volt was the best one since you could put gas in it and go forever whenever.
I think it would be interesting to test actual range, not reported range when it’s cold. IE - drive it around and check battery percentage usage compared t9 when it’s warmer. The range meters are just a guess, not actual range left usually. Speed, weather, driver can all impact range for the better or worse.
Out of Spec does this a lot, where they will do a highway drive, until the battery is out of energy, sometimes they make it back to the charger, sometimes they don't.
Had my Yukon serviced by the dealer yesterday. Their shuttle vehicles are the gm electrics. Got a ride home in the electric in the morning, and picked up in the afternoon to pick up my vehicle in a gas Pickup. Temp was around-15C , the EVs at this temp are done in about 4-5hours. Funny how keeping the passengers warm kills the batteries. Same problem in the summer here when it’s over +30C and they must run the AC.
All those political fools in Washington pushing EVs should have to use them in cold temps. Once they see what a pain in the A EVs are, maybe they would change their views. Could you imagine the President forced to use EVs? He would travel no where fast!
Now we wait to see if tfl makes a response video saying your wrong because they drove. Ford lightning through Alaska with a support vehicle following them.
I don’t envy the Canadians who will not be able to but an ICE vehicle starting 2035. That’s not very far into the future really. The technology to solve these all problems hasn’t been developed yet with batteries. Something will have to give.
Lithium batteries can't be charged below freezing. The chemical reaction inside the battery slows down in colder temperatures and the flow of Lithium ions from the incoming current flow too quickly and deposit on the anode causing permanent damage and reduction of capacity to the battery. The charger has to slow down or even stop completely to protect the battery.
I noticed that you have your charger cord coiled up tightly. That causes the wire to create a magnetic field and it takes power to do that. I have seen something similar happen with heavy-duty power saws on a job where the saw would not function until the coil was removed.
This article is specifically about GM's batteries but the same applies to Ford and others. Speaking of battery life and their replacement, there is a video on TH-cam by a regular content provider about the upcoming cost of replacement of those batteries. He has access to the Ford online parts catalog, which shows the part #, its application and the retail price of the item, but of course not the dealer's cost. He shows images and prices for the optional heavy duty battery for a Ford EV 150, and its $35,000 replacement cost, not including labor.. For the standard battery for the same vehicle its $28,000 plus extra for installation. By extrapolation, the GM equivalents might easily be in the same price ranges. Soooo... if you have one of these vehicles don't hold on to it until the last battery cell dies. Have a replacement vehicle picked out within a couple of years of your new vehicle's initial purchase. In another TH-cam video, The Fast Lane TH-cam blog site compared the towing ease of a GMC Hummer vs a Ram 3/4 ton truck with Cummins diesel. The challenge was to see how far the Hummer could tow a 6100-lb camper trailer over flat ground east of Denver, then do the same test with the Ram diesel. Starting with a full charge, the Hummer towed the 6100 lbs. camper trailer 122 miles then had to turn back with only 7 miles of charge left in the battery. The Ram diesel towed the trailer the same 122 miles, then refueled with 10 gallons of fuel. The Ram required $100 (+/-) to refill the tank. The Hummer required the equivalent of $50 (+/-) for a full recharge. Advantage to Hummer.(?). NO. The Hummer had a $115,000 MSRP, and the Ram had an MSRP of $64,000, for a cost difference of $51,000. You can buy an awful lot of diesel fuel for $51,000.
Pretty sure the EV has to keep the battery at a certain temp = using energy sitting there overnight, colder it is the more juice it uses. If it starts losing that battle, at some point the system will 'give up' and not accept charge. Your single vehicle situation lost 30 miles of range, now multiply that times millions of potential users = millions & millions of 'miles' wasted electricity. (Which EVERYONE will have to pay for)
@Wolfgang Preier not everyone can do this. Politicians are trying to force evs to replace I.C.E vehicles when problems like this exist. It's not ready. It's not viable. It's stupid.
The CCID box (the rectangular box between the grid cord and charge cord) has an LED strip with different colors that provide a status of the charger. You need to read the manual that came with it to see what the status indication was. I thought I saw an amber light, which means it’s rebooting. The charger is rated to function down to -22F, and to be stored to -40F/C.
Definitely food for thought, since I have considered it, and the cable would likely be going out the garage door, to plug in a vehicle, at least where I currently live.
I have lithium batteries in my rv . and the manufacturer says they will not charge in cold weather. I knew this so I take them out in the wi nter. into a warmer place. the car companies should explain this to the customers. so park in a garage. so good luck charging a ev in cold weather.
EVs should never be stored inside a garage, especially an attached garage due to the huge fire risk. Could you imagine a flaming Hummer in a shared multiplex at 2 am? The smoke alone would be deadly after one or two breaths!
The conduit coupler is not rated for outdoor use! Makes me wonder what else wasn't done correctly! Please verify instillation water will get into that conduit and run water into panel if panel is lower then that connection!
Cold temperatures effect any type of vehicle especially with range and it takes time to fix that. I have a diesel powered pickup, in winter weather it lives in my garage, it has a block heater, engine oil pan heater plus a transmission pan heater. If switched on for an hour before driving these help my mileage plus reducing soot load on the DPF.
I have had my lightning since August. I live in western Iowa. My lightning sits outside all day/night. I was noticing my range being half. I drive only a few miles a week (10-20). I was worried about getting to my folks 60 miles away in the middle of no where. I gave it a good charge and gave it a shot. The range estimates went up. I think around town preheating etc is throwing off the estimates. It had no issues driving there. Fyi the message to charge when it is cold and to be a default thing. I have finally started just leaving it plugged in at to 85%. So it preheats etc.
@Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk I did some towing with my popup camper, I went from 70mph 2m/kw to 1.7. Since there isn't any chargers, I did take the camper to the black hills to put it into storage. Even with gas prices,it is cheaper to pay the storage.
Must be stressful , What do believe though? what the on board computer is giving you as a estimated range, or guess your best? or just flip a coin? Or check the temp outside and wonder if you should go to your folks house today?
@@sitka49 The first time not understanding... Yeah it was. But after driving 10-20 miles, I relaxed a lot more. My first road trip, I was thinking like an ICE vehicle. I took my daughter to college to a bigger town than where I live. I assumed there was chargers. There was not. I had to nurse it to a different town. I learned fast, you have to plan and plan well for any driving using a "tank". I knew my folks had a 220 I could hook up to if needed.
I think most ( what I would do If I get EV ) would do ( As you stated in video ) have plug and inverter in garage and truck outside garage . interested if still issues then . Most garages still get pretty cold !
Fire hazard while charging. And with these early prototypes id say that's a pretty valid concern if you look up how volatile these ev battery fires are.
That’s why trucks need at least 500 mile range. 1/2 in winter is 250. That is acceptable. But they need to DC fast charge to 80% in 15-20 minutes. We are not there yet.
I think you have a faulty Level 2 charger? I live up here by lake Erie in NW PA and have never had a problem with my car at all in winter. I've charged in lower temp weather also. If you don't plug in the car it will use a little power to warm the batteries when temps are that low. But you had yours plugged in so it's most likely a faulty charger cable.
Hi Tim, No bueno when you come out and find ‘charging isnt’. Good that you had a high state of charge at beginning of evening! Happened a couple times to me with my short range Spark EV. In my case I had to clean the pins / contacts on car and J1772 plug; then all was good. Maybe ya got some snow in one of the connections (??) or just a bummer EVSE. The range loss overnight was probably the Hummer warming the battery once battery temp got down around 10-15 F or less. They’re set to protect the battery with a heating system so that battery can still be used to drive and is not at risk for damage when used in very low temps.
Tim, you said on second thought you should have put your plug in your garage but, what about those who have disconnected garages, carports, leave their vehicles outside anyway or no garage. I know this isnt a fair comparison but, when its in the negatives and I go to get gas, it is always going to work (outside a {wink wink} power issue). You said that device you have is rated to -22 so in your specific case, actually, you did the best overall thing putting it a) outside and b) able to charge any vehicle as that is a real world condition that is going to happen to millions of people.
What about. Put the charger in a garage or shed. Then, in the side of the building, a small door of sorts. The ends are big. The door can have a slot. So when the cord is threw the door. You can close the door. The cord will be in the slot. Just sharing Take care.
Not any better. They do not charge. Its the battery that says not any more. Thats hy every EV must first heat its battery before thaking a charge. Its not any different with the Hummer.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 The DC fast chargers are liquid cooled. That's why that hose is so thick. Of course it's not water but there's limits. I can see in the wilds of N.D. a hose becoming too stiff to bend or manipulate. Fun stuff! Another biggie is the touch screens most chargers have. They're a pain in the cold and most will fail. Not great if you're freezing and need a charge, right now!
When are you going to do an electrical inspection. Now is a better time than later... look for thermal evidence at all contact points of that new circuit. You'd be looking for distorted plastic as an indicator.
I think I will just save the $25k and buy a GMC Denali 3500 HD Crew Cab Turbo Diesel 4x4 instead. I won't look as cool, but at least it has a payload over 1200 pounds and can tow heavy loads for over 100 miles AND won't need to recharge for 8 hours when the battery runs out of juice.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Maybe protestors will glue themselves to the dealership floor surrounding all the gas vehicles, trying to force me to buy an EV truck instead...so that all of the child labor can still be taken advantage of in the lithium mines and the coal power plants can keep running to recharge my batteries.
The Real question is...Car Manufacturers should have done testing for Extreme HEAT and Extreme COLD. Shouldn't this have been addressed before their product is sold to a consumer ??? Ridiculous !!
Some of those portable chargers have internal ground fault and temperature circuitry that can become fussy under certain conditions (humidity, temperature, wire laying on ground, wire looped and even some ground leakage in your electricalcircuits). Sometimes they start okay and trigger after the wire or circuitry heats up. Try another one if you can, either there is something wrong with your charging apparatus or it prevents you from being electrocuted!
So you going to have to park it in the garage and have a heater on in the garage. I would do a hybrid for now , not all electric especially with the current prices.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 There's nothing wrong with our climate and fossil fuels aren't affecting it. It's all a scam dude! Do some research and turn off CNN
Though the EVSE can be operated indoors or out, the best place is obviously in your garage if you have one! The loss of range is one of 2 things. The computer recalculated the range for the temperature or, as in Tesla and Rivian, you have "vampire drain" which means the vehicle loses charge even when off. Other EV manufacturers have no or minimal loss when parked. It would be sad to learn that GM ultium suffers from that well-known problem. My guess is that the computer recalculated its range due to the cold temps. Range loses due to cold weather (0C) range from 25 to 35 % depending on how cold it is. The same thing happens to gas engines, but its much less pronounced. The colder it is the shorter your range will be. Also if you dont precondition your battery it will also charge at a lower rate on a DC fast charger. Not all EV precondition nut I would guess given the Hummers enourmous battery it is almost a requirement that GM couldnt miss. The Hummer EV as its old gas conterpart is extraordinarily ineffecient having the lowest efficiency of any EV by a lot. The MPGE or a Hummer is around 40 in some other vehicles its over 110. The Bolt EV is very very efficient. The Hummer EV, as its gas predecessor is a silly conspicous consumption that no one really needs for anything. If you need an electric truck wait for the Silverado which is better in pretty much every respect. Or...get a Lightning!
I got it! All you need to do to prevent this problem is to wrap the charger and cable in its own electrical heating cable that you would use to keep pipes from freezing. Just make sure the plug is in someplace warm so it doesn't freeze. 🤪 Glad you're dealing with these problems so we can avoid them.
@@Gene1969 Yeah, about 10 tons, if you‘ve got it, flaunt it! Who in his right mind trusts a first gen vehicle to do as „advertised“? Not VW, Not Tesla, Not Mercedes, Not Jeep, Ford and all the others and first and foremost NEVER Government Motors. Maybe the 10th generation becomes something that can be used in „normal“ climates.
I live in Fairbanks Alaska and my phone will not accept a charge when the battery gets cold in my car :( wonder if your problem was cold battery not cold charger?
So the big push for EV’s is control. You can’t charge unless it is connected to its network from what I am hearing you disable its connection it can’t charge. Is this true? Plus batteries don’t like extreme cold why do you think batteries on ICE have high cold crank amps. So closer you get to zero degrees the worst the batteries are for holding.
If it’s kicking out all that heat in the cabin that you keep bragging about throw the charge cable inside it!! Oooo…here you were the coolest kid on the block with all your friends last week with your Rube Goldberg XV. Now it’s a $110k POS. As fuel prices keep dropping ice and hybrid sales will be more appealing than these niche XVs. As much as I would really like to see alternatives succeed and thrive these ain’t it….not with current battery tech.
Great vehicle to take out to camp over night up north, especially if you have a buddy to pick you up. Only a fool would buy one of these north of Florida.
How come not charging inside garage.🤔 My nextdoor neighbor charge's Tesla in driveway because of fire threat. Next insurance company will ask you if you have EV.
We once had 2 Fahrehheit or -16 Celsius here. Many years ago. Very many years ago. Before climate catastrophe. No we may get minus 2-5 celsius. I remember but my kids not.
Thats only LFP batteries and correct. Their full name Lithium Ferrum 4-Phosphate or LiFePo4. Li-Ion just become sluggish and do not take additional charge.
When the Green Dream meets harsh reality.
Why? We are happy without fossil. We did not have such low temperaturs since the 1980s. Its called climate change for a reason...
@@wolfgangpreier9160 yup it was never cold I'm the 70s I remember it well sunny and 85 everywhere in the world 🤡
Ummm hate to tell you but they had blizzards and other drastic weather before the 80’s
@@wolfgangpreier9160 where do you think your power comes from to charge these EV’s? Unicorn farts
@@D3athM3tal-i4c No water power , wind power and some PV. My own and some from my utility company and some neighbors etc.
Unicorn farts are powering the Germans. They power their brown coal power plants in Nordrhein Westphalen with Unicorn, Piglet, Tigger and parts from local Dragons who are being fed with Syrian refugees.
What an absolute nightmare. 2 above is sorta cold but not that cold for the far north Midwest when it can dip to -40. These EV toys will be really neat paperweights it sounds like. Strong hell no.
There will be a pile of used EVs for sale very soon, once people have discovered the disappointment and charge envy! Have a great day Tim
There is a reason EVs really don't work for the midwest. It doesn't matter how much the get pushed on people, at most I will only every go to a hybrid because of this.
@@christianmiller4422 one day the world will run out of fossil fuels however much we hate these things we are going to have to learn to like them at least a little bit if you want to get around
@@elixier33 that's why hydrogen cars are also in development
That is weird. All those EVs in northern Europe and Canada, charge fine.
@@pascalabessolo5350 they have the infrastructure. We don't, nor will we for a long time.
This is a great video for us that live in cold climates. 2 Degree's isn't even cold for us in Canada.
My Mercedes EV is handling my upper Wisconsin weather without a problem. Still getting 300 miles at ‐15. (25% reduction in range)
WOW, I couldn't live in Canada, to cold for me. I live down south in the U.S where in the summer it gets 100 degrees Fahrenheit with 95% humidity and dew point 50-60 percent, nice & sticky.
It's better to have the charger outside under a covering so your house doesn't burn down
Loooooooong extension cord! Those Generator cords can always be modified with male/female twist locks or 6-20 style connectors!
Not sure why people call the charging cable or charging station a "charger" they are not charges, the actual charger is in the vehicle.
Where do you put the coal in?
@@samwilson1507 I deliver my coal at the power plant on Lake Michigan. If I'm riding the SS Badger I drop it off next to the pier, they have a donation pile.
For those of us who live where -25° Celsius + Wind chill factor isn't uncommon in the winter, EV's suck BIG TIME! Anyone who has dealt with batteries in the extreme cold of northern climates , can confirm how battery drain due to extreme cold can turn a bad situation into a deadly situation.
At least with an ICE vehicle, a block heater will assure me of a quick engine turnover; and I don't have to worry about dying.
And they want us Canadians buying these things. Not happening (yet)!
Canadians will have to wait for E-Fuel made by imaginative US boys. Or continue use fracking oil from native's lands. When you talk about batteries you will have to wait for the Na+ cells. Those are happy @ -20 degrees celsius.
You're gonna make Justine mad....😤
The truth about our governments pushing everyone into EV's is actually sinister. Once the average Joe was able to own a vehicle (thanks Mr Ford), he was free to travel wherever his heart desired. That mobility was freedom. That freedom unlocked opportunities that an otherwise stationary person could never have. EV's are prohibitively expensive. Not just to buy, but to operate. They have a fraction of the range of petroleum powered vehicles. Then they lose another 50%+ of their already meager range in colder temperatures. What I'm trying to say is that our ruling class is trying to take away our ability to be mobile. It's painfully obvious if you just listen to what they're saying. Listen to the World Economic Forum (a collection of Earth's billionaires) and you'll hear them say "you'll own nothing and be happy". This is totalitarianism, and it's creeping on incrementally. We can't allow them to take away the average person's ability to move around.
@@maynarddrivesfast804 Yes, the big bad government is guilty of „pushing“ us into clean renewable energy which does not cost you an arm and a leg, which does not stink, which does not mean you have to kowtow to the Mafia, murderers, fascists, slavers and genocidial russian potentates, which does not kill your children and which does not further the climate catastrophe.
You know what? YES TO THE GOVERNMENT!
@@maynarddrivesfast804 basically, they want the middle-class and poor to become serfs.
Well Tim just be glad that GM gave you that to test and you didn’t waste money buying it . I’ve said it a lot about the EV vehicles the tech is not there yet . At least not for long distance driving,towing,extreme cold temps . They’re best suited for inner city driving and being kept indoors till used .
So we're to turn up the fossil fuels (heaters) So the EV doesn't get too Cold, sounds bout right.
You could also turn on the electric heater. You do NOT have to burn your precious and irretrievable fossil ressources.
Where does 90% of electric come from?? Burning fossil fuels.
EV, the gift that keeps on taking.
Welcome to the wonderful world of EV’s that are not ready for prime time, 20 years from now this will not be happening.
Reminds me of the documented stories of homes switching from Gas lamps, to electrical... There are some hellish stories, and many places rolled back electricity installations and went back to gas until electrical standards developed.
I guess we can wait 20 yrs. Until then fill it up please
Don't bet on it. I recently read article from 2015 that was talking about how Ev's new battery technology, and by 2022 we would have battery's that would have a range of 1000 miles or more . Don't believe the hype.
20 years from now, the Democrat party will have destroyed America and you will own nothing and be happy. Oh wait that’s only nine years from now. Sorry my bad. 20 years from now you’ll be living in an interment camp being ready to either work a 14 hour day or be killed.
Exactly, who's going to afford theses cars the elites? In 10 years $150,000 for the strip down model ? There's bigger players in the background than the Democrats, Biden's minions said one time the goal is one world order, and everybody will live in a 15 minute community you don't own a car everything you need is in 15 minutes of walking or riding distance on a bike. They're already mandates in Oxford England that they want to do this by 2040. Save the Planet you know.
Everybody should own two EV's so you can dig a hole with one and bury it with the other. 🤣🤣
Yes, and i have 5 of them because they cost me the same as 2 fossil ones. What a bummer!
Very informative for those of us thinking about purchasing an EV. Great service to the traveling public - thanks Tim (and Kudos)
Engineers work in a theoretical world. The real world laughs at them and mocks them.
I've always said this and I still maintain my position that EV's are not the solution and I'm not even interested in one for my main vehicle. This EV dream will not come to fruition.
Its not a dream. Its a dream to think there will be enough cheap fossil ressources for the next 300 years. Since ditching ALL fossil use i save a bunch of money every year.
@Wolfgang Preier fossil fuels are made from dying living things. Things are still dying last i checked. And many alternative fuels are available that the engines we have can be adjusted to run on for much cheaper than this ev nonsense.
Those EV Hummers, will make a fool out of all the buyers.
So, um...this means that if you fully charge on a warm day and get say 300mi range at a cost of, say $30...then on a cold day if you fully charge the same $30 you only get half the range. In other words, "the effective range cost" is double in the winter environment.
Depends on the winter. In our winters i have about 30% less range in high winter and with snow on the roads and a winter storm. But our temps do not fall below minus 5 celsius anymore. We had -30 celsius in the 1980s. Long time ago...
Gas engines actually perform better when it's cold. Anyone what's ever raced knows that.
Reminds me of old trucks and tractors when you had to literally start a camp fire under the vehicle to pre warm everything and then start the vehicle 😂😂🔥🔥
Sorry but these workarounds and range loss are unacceptable. Whatever benefits you may get from an EV are not worth the hassles.
I think the power is being used to condition (warm) the battery and there is nothing left to actually charge the battery. I doubt that the solid state charger module is too cold.
Correct. We got the same problem with many EVs. Tested them repeatedly in Europe. All of them have the same problems. Some have more intelligent charging and battery-heating solutions, thats all. Nobody can circumvent physics. "Physics is the law everything else is a recommendation." - Elon Musk
I'm not looking to buy an EV right now but I really appreciate the information. You're talking about things I never would have thought about. Thanks Tim
I fly radio control airplanes that use Lithium Polymer batteries for their energy source. In the cold, 55 degrees. On New Year's Day, our club here in Iowa has a Chili Fly. I keep my fully charged batteries inside my jacket to keep them warm and, hopefully, get about 2/3's of a normal flight in. The cold zaps those batteries quickly.
Yes, its the Lithium. Na+ cells work fine down to -20 celsius.
There was no issue with the charger. The problem is that the battery became too cold to accept additional charge. The battery will hold its full charge when warm only.
Also, the charger does not contain and inverter. All L2 style chargers are simple power switches. They communicate with the vehicle and then switch on the AC voltage coming from the wall to make a safe connection once everything is plugged together.
which appears to be a design flaw here with GM. They should have engineered and designed the battery to have a heater for the winter while charging. YES, use more energy and takes longer to charge, but at least it would charge. Time for version 2.0 already.
@@biz4twobiz463 "which appears to be a design flaw here with GM" not GM. No. GM did not design the cells and electronics. The same problem would happen with nearly every other EV that does not heat itself up before charging at 0 degrees Fahrenheit.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 ... which is a design flaw from GM, because this is a GM vehicle...and they should have considered that during the design process. If we were talking about BMW, then I'd be critical of BMW engineers as well.
@@biz4twobiz463 Oh well, you can‘t. It was not designed by either. If Tesla does this you may perfectly well blame them because they did design their own hardware. All others not. They all just buy at their suppliers and slap the thingies together, apply a weld here and a screw there and call it Automobile. You can blame the Borg from Warner and ZF - thats Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen - look it up, or Schäffler, Bosch. But not those poor boys and gals from Government Motors.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 ... again missing the point. Those poor folks at GM are engineers and they are not just pulling off the shelf components. They could have anticipated that issue and actually engineered a resolution.
If you are calling GM engineers tech and parts pullers, then that is a strong signal to stay away. These GM engineers have the ability to modify a current design and make it better. They just need to.
Good information. Most EV owners don’t mention any of the bad issues
The charger shouldn’t lose function in the cold. It should technically improve conductivity. The capacity loss is in the battery chemistry.
yes, EV's do lose substantial range when temps are cold. Volvo found that their EV's lost about 40% of range when they were used in below freezing temps. yes, diesel trucks have to be kept on an engine heater when the temp is cold, however, once the truck is started and warms up, the driving range IS NOT affected by the cold.
"once the truck is started and warms up, the driving range IS NOT affected by the cold" correct. Any why? Because the range of fossil burning engines is ALWAYS affected, whether its cold or hot outside. Thats the main difference between fossil fueled and electric transportation.
Modern diesel engines are not affected by cold. Mine doesn't even have the plug in heater.
Good point, there's currently no standard charging location on EVs vs traditional gas/diesel vehicles.
Sure glad I didn’t get suckered in to the EV scam.
These exterior charging boxes are going to be easily stolen unless inside or in some other lockable storage box.
why would someone risk electrocution just to steal a $50 box?
How do you steal them? You can not unplug them without the keys or remotely.
Why does people steal a $1.00 piece of candy?? Just because.
And a thief can steal anything anytime.
@@scottyellis3442 Your assumption is flawed. Why does a thief steal anything? Because he was not educated as a child NOT to steal because it has consequences.
I had a Volt. My charger would error out and thankfully it had a gas engine to power it when the overnight charging failed. Long way to go with these electric vehicles still. Volt was the best one since you could put gas in it and go forever whenever.
I think it would be interesting to test actual range, not reported range when it’s cold. IE - drive it around and check battery percentage usage compared t9 when it’s warmer. The range meters are just a guess, not actual range left usually. Speed, weather, driver can all impact range for the better or worse.
Out of Spec does this a lot, where they will do a highway drive, until the battery is out of energy, sometimes they make it back to the charger, sometimes they don't.
Yeah he’s got more fast chargers around him than I do. I have zero. 😂
EV’s for Canada are going to be a disaster
Had my Yukon serviced by the dealer yesterday. Their shuttle vehicles are the gm electrics. Got a ride home in the electric in the morning, and picked up in the afternoon to pick up my vehicle in a gas Pickup. Temp was around-15C , the EVs at this temp are done in about 4-5hours. Funny how keeping the passengers warm kills the batteries. Same problem in the summer here when it’s over +30C and they must run the AC.
All those political fools in Washington pushing EVs should have to use them in cold temps. Once they see what a pain in the A EVs are, maybe they would change their views. Could you imagine the President forced to use EVs? He would travel no where fast!
Psst….it’s not a real vehicle….it’s just for real estate agents in San Fernando Valley to show off….
Now we wait to see if tfl makes a response video saying your wrong because they drove. Ford lightning through Alaska with a support vehicle following them.
I don’t envy the Canadians who will not be able to but an ICE vehicle starting 2035. That’s not very far into the future really. The technology to solve these all problems hasn’t been developed yet with batteries. Something will have to give.
Lithium batteries can't be charged below freezing. The chemical reaction inside the battery slows down in colder temperatures and the flow of Lithium ions from the incoming current flow too quickly and deposit on the anode causing permanent damage and reduction of capacity to the battery. The charger has to slow down or even stop completely to protect the battery.
I noticed that you have your charger cord coiled up tightly. That causes the wire to create a magnetic field and it takes power to do that. I have seen something similar happen with heavy-duty power saws on a job where the saw would not function until the coil was removed.
No inverter in charging cable. The EVSE supplies AC to truck and the truck has an on board charger that converts AC to DC to charge battery.
and those tail lights are $5000.00 A PIECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also keep in mind these are new batteries. They could easily become unusable in the cold at half or even 3/4thz of its projected usable life cycle.
This article is specifically about GM's batteries but the same applies to Ford and others. Speaking of battery life and their replacement, there is a video on TH-cam by a regular content provider about the upcoming cost of replacement of those batteries. He has access to the Ford online parts catalog, which shows the part #, its application and the retail price of the item, but of course not the dealer's cost. He shows images and prices for the optional heavy duty battery for a Ford EV 150, and its $35,000 replacement cost, not including labor.. For the standard battery for the same vehicle its $28,000 plus extra for installation. By extrapolation, the GM equivalents might easily be in the same price ranges. Soooo... if you have one of these vehicles don't hold on to it until the last battery cell dies. Have a replacement vehicle picked out within a couple of years of your new vehicle's initial purchase. In another TH-cam video, The Fast Lane TH-cam blog site compared the towing ease of a GMC Hummer vs a Ram 3/4 ton truck with Cummins diesel. The challenge was to see how far the Hummer could tow a 6100-lb camper trailer over flat ground east of Denver, then do the same test with the Ram diesel. Starting with a full charge, the Hummer towed the 6100 lbs. camper trailer 122 miles then had to turn back with only 7 miles of charge left in the battery. The Ram diesel towed the trailer the same 122 miles, then refueled with 10 gallons of fuel. The Ram required $100 (+/-) to refill the tank. The Hummer required the equivalent of $50 (+/-) for a full recharge. Advantage to Hummer.(?). NO. The Hummer had a $115,000 MSRP, and the Ram had an MSRP of $64,000, for a cost difference of $51,000. You can buy an awful lot of diesel fuel for $51,000.
Pretty sure the EV has to keep the battery at a certain temp = using energy sitting there overnight, colder it is the more juice it uses. If it starts losing that battle, at some point the system will 'give up' and not accept charge.
Your single vehicle situation lost 30 miles of range, now multiply that times millions of potential users = millions & millions of 'miles' wasted electricity. (Which EVERYONE will have to pay for)
Yes, thats why i keep my batteries warm or reheat them before driving off.
@Wolfgang Preier not everyone can do this. Politicians are trying to force evs to replace I.C.E vehicles when problems like this exist. It's not ready. It's not viable. It's stupid.
The CCID box (the rectangular box between the grid cord and charge cord) has an LED strip with different colors that provide a status of the charger. You need to read the manual that came with it to see what the status indication was. I thought I saw an amber light, which means it’s rebooting. The charger is rated to function down to -22F, and to be stored to -40F/C.
Definitely food for thought, since I have considered it, and the cable would likely be going out the garage door, to plug in a vehicle, at least where I currently live.
I have lithium batteries in my rv . and the manufacturer says they will not charge in cold weather. I knew this so I take them out in the wi nter. into a warmer place. the car companies should explain this to the customers. so park in a garage. so good luck charging a ev in cold weather.
EVs should never be stored inside a garage, especially an attached garage due to the huge fire risk. Could you imagine a flaming Hummer in a shared multiplex at 2 am? The smoke alone would be deadly after one or two breaths!
The conduit coupler is not rated for outdoor use! Makes me wonder what else wasn't done correctly! Please verify instillation water will get into that conduit and run water into panel if panel is lower then that connection!
Huh? Everything I installed is literally made for outdoor use.
Cold temperatures effect any type of vehicle especially with range and it takes time to fix that. I have a diesel powered pickup, in winter weather it lives in my garage, it has a block heater, engine oil pan heater plus a transmission pan heater. If switched on for an hour before driving these help my mileage plus reducing soot load on the DPF.
Tim, interesting dealing with the cold with a EV.
I have had my lightning since August. I live in western Iowa. My lightning sits outside all day/night. I was noticing my range being half. I drive only a few miles a week (10-20). I was worried about getting to my folks 60 miles away in the middle of no where. I gave it a good charge and gave it a shot. The range estimates went up. I think around town preheating etc is throwing off the estimates. It had no issues driving there. Fyi the message to charge when it is cold and to be a default thing. I have finally started just leaving it plugged in at to 85%. So it preheats etc.
Lol i am the guy that passes through your area regularly. Just can't yet. No infrastructure to get me across NE. Hell I90 is lacking chargers.
Oh yeah. EV charger desert in our area.
@Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk I did some towing with my popup camper, I went from 70mph 2m/kw to 1.7. Since there isn't any chargers, I did take the camper to the black hills to put it into storage. Even with gas prices,it is cheaper to pay the storage.
Must be stressful , What do believe though? what the on board computer is giving you as a estimated range, or guess your best? or just flip a coin? Or check the temp outside and wonder if you should go to your folks house today?
@@sitka49 The first time not understanding... Yeah it was. But after driving 10-20 miles, I relaxed a lot more. My first road trip, I was thinking like an ICE vehicle. I took my daughter to college to a bigger town than where I live. I assumed there was chargers. There was not. I had to nurse it to a different town. I learned fast, you have to plan and plan well for any driving using a "tank". I knew my folks had a 220 I could hook up to if needed.
I think most ( what I would do If I get EV ) would do ( As you stated in video ) have plug and inverter in garage and truck outside garage . interested if still issues then . Most garages still get pretty cold !
Yes, its the battery that must be heated. Not the charger.
Fire hazard while charging. And with these early prototypes id say that's a pretty valid concern if you look up how volatile these ev battery fires are.
Great real world test. Thank you for sharing...
That’s why trucks need at least 500 mile range. 1/2 in winter is 250. That is acceptable. But they need to DC fast charge to 80% in 15-20 minutes. We are not there yet.
That's what you get keep buying into the scheme
I think you have a faulty Level 2 charger? I live up here by lake Erie in NW PA and have never had a problem with my car at all in winter. I've charged in lower temp weather also. If you don't plug in the car it will use a little power to warm the batteries when temps are that low. But you had yours plugged in so it's most likely a faulty charger cable.
How will this work in Northern Michigan on a -25F night?
It won't.
Hi Tim, No bueno when you come out and find ‘charging isnt’. Good that you had a high state of charge at beginning of evening!
Happened a couple times to me with my short range Spark EV. In my case I had to clean the pins / contacts on car and J1772 plug; then all was good. Maybe ya got some snow in one of the connections (??) or just a bummer EVSE. The range loss overnight was probably the Hummer warming the battery once battery temp got down around 10-15 F or less. They’re set to protect the battery with a heating system so that battery can still be used to drive and is not at risk for damage when used in very low temps.
Tim, you said on second thought you should have put your plug in your garage but, what about those who have disconnected garages, carports, leave their vehicles outside anyway or no garage. I know this isnt a fair comparison but, when its in the negatives and I go to get gas, it is always going to work (outside a {wink wink} power issue). You said that device you have is rated to -22 so in your specific case, actually, you did the best overall thing putting it a) outside and b) able to charge any vehicle as that is a real world condition that is going to happen to millions of people.
exactly !
Sure, plenty of issues with EVs beyond my situation.
@@Pickuptrucktalk - which is why its best to charge outside. Otherwise - we wouldnt know.
What happened to all the EV's that were stuck for more than 2 days on I95 during the blizzard last year near Fredericksburg, Va??
I'm going to assume they drove home? It's been a year. LOL
@@Pickuptrucktalk Media may keep quiet if they didn't succeed. you know how it is ....
What about. Put the charger in a garage or shed. Then, in the side of the building, a small door of sorts. The ends are big. The door can have a slot. So when the cord is threw the door. You can close the door. The cord will be in the slot. Just sharing
Take care.
I have a Clipper Creek charger that has worked flawlessly for 5 years. Regularly sees -30 here in MT. I'd suggest getting a real charger.
Funny. Don't recall the local gas pumps ever not working in the winter...
I wonder how the DC FastChargers are doing in those temps!
Not any better. They do not charge. Its the battery that says not any more. Thats hy every EV must first heat its battery before thaking a charge. Its not any different with the Hummer.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 The DC fast chargers are liquid cooled. That's why that hose is so thick. Of course it's not water but there's limits. I can see in the wilds of N.D. a hose becoming too stiff to bend or manipulate. Fun stuff! Another biggie is the touch screens most chargers have. They're a pain in the cold and most will fail. Not great if you're freezing and need a charge, right now!
When are you going to do an electrical inspection. Now is a better time than later... look for thermal evidence at all contact points of that new circuit. You'd be looking for distorted plastic as an indicator.
There is nothing wrong with my exterior plug.
Probably nothing wrong with the truck either.
Defective GM mobile charger.
Dad Gummit Tim, I feel your pain! My 21 powerboost has lost one mg since it got cold. Im so distraught :)
LOL
Powerboost absolutely the best option!
And what about outside superchargers?? I wonder if Tesla has had any issues with theirs in extreme cold environments? That's worth investigating.
Lots of issues with fast and super chargers. Not sure they are due to cold weather.
I think I will just save the $25k and buy a GMC Denali 3500 HD Crew Cab Turbo Diesel 4x4 instead. I won't look as cool, but at least it has a payload over 1200 pounds and can tow heavy loads for over 100 miles AND won't need to recharge for 8 hours when the battery runs out of juice.
Good idea! Just continue to burn your fossil ressources. I think the US has not pumped all the fracking oil from under their natives lands.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Maybe protestors will glue themselves to the dealership floor surrounding all the gas vehicles, trying to force me to buy an EV truck instead...so that all of the child labor can still be taken advantage of in the lithium mines and the coal power plants can keep running to recharge my batteries.
GM said that when it's -3 degrees you must charge the vehicle in a warm 70 degrees garage.
The Real question is...Car Manufacturers should have done testing for Extreme HEAT and Extreme COLD. Shouldn't this have been addressed before their product is sold to a consumer ??? Ridiculous !!
Some of those portable chargers have internal ground fault and temperature circuitry that can become fussy under certain conditions (humidity, temperature, wire laying on ground, wire looped and even some ground leakage in your electricalcircuits). Sometimes they start okay and trigger after the wire or circuitry heats up. Try another one if you can, either there is something wrong with your charging apparatus or it prevents you from being electrocuted!
Even my eMTB loses range during the Winter months. Hard pass for me on EVs at least for another decade.
So you going to have to park it in the garage and have a heater on in the garage. I would do a hybrid for now , not all electric especially with the current prices.
Seems a lot simpler to just go get some gas takes 5 minutes! Sorry Tim love your channel but don't care for the EV's.
Sure, if you do not think on the future or your kids, just go ahead and burn fossil ressources and destroy them forever. Good idea!
@@wolfgangpreier9160 There's nothing wrong with our climate and fossil fuels aren't affecting it. It's all a scam dude! Do some research and turn off CNN
Though the EVSE can be operated indoors or out, the best place is obviously in your garage if you have one! The loss of range is one of 2 things. The computer recalculated the range for the temperature or, as in Tesla and Rivian, you have "vampire drain" which means the vehicle loses charge even when off. Other EV manufacturers have no or minimal loss when parked. It would be sad to learn that GM ultium suffers from that well-known problem. My guess is that the computer recalculated its range due to the cold temps. Range loses due to cold weather (0C) range from 25 to 35 % depending on how cold it is. The same thing happens to gas engines, but its much less pronounced. The colder it is the shorter your range will be. Also if you dont precondition your battery it will also charge at a lower rate on a DC fast charger. Not all EV precondition nut I would guess given the Hummers enourmous battery it is almost a requirement that GM couldnt miss. The Hummer EV as its old gas conterpart is extraordinarily ineffecient having the lowest efficiency of any EV by a lot. The MPGE or a Hummer is around 40 in some other vehicles its over 110. The Bolt EV is very very efficient. The Hummer EV, as its gas predecessor is a silly conspicous consumption that no one really needs for anything. If you need an electric truck wait for the Silverado which is better in pretty much every respect. Or...get a Lightning!
I’ve got a new Camry hybrid. Getting about
48 mpg. I drive about 5000 miles per year. I fuel up and drive. Good luck with them fancy cars, lmao
Oh it’s the cold?…here I thought you were in Moore county, NC.
I'm pretty sure the ford mobile charger is just a step up A.C. transformer. Because the actual D.C. chargers are in the truck.
I got it! All you need to do to prevent this problem is to wrap the charger and cable in its own electrical heating cable that you would use to keep pipes from freezing. Just make sure the plug is in someplace warm so it doesn't freeze. 🤪
Glad you're dealing with these problems so we can avoid them.
That's probably why there was ice around the cable. It overheated, then froze when the power was cut.
Its the battery not accepting additional charge at these temperaturs. You - or the electronics made by Government Motors - have to warm it first.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 So give it a hot chocolate first. Got it.
@@Gene1969 Yeah, about 10 tons, if you‘ve got it, flaunt it!
Who in his right mind trusts a first gen vehicle to do as „advertised“? Not VW, Not Tesla, Not Mercedes, Not Jeep, Ford and all the others and first and foremost NEVER Government Motors. Maybe the 10th generation becomes something that can be used in „normal“ climates.
I live in Fairbanks Alaska and my phone will not accept a charge when the battery gets cold in my car :( wonder if your problem was cold battery not cold charger?
Well I guess I’m not buying a ev hummer !
I’m going back to the tundra
Wasn't even snowing. That's just frost, wish everyone who purchases luck or good feet
So the big push for EV’s is control. You can’t charge unless it is connected to its network from what I am hearing you disable its connection it can’t charge. Is this true? Plus batteries don’t like extreme cold why do you think batteries on ICE have high cold crank amps. So closer you get to zero degrees the worst the batteries are for holding.
"You can’t charge unless it is connected to its network" huh?
Sorry bro I do t support ev crap.
But support your channel.
The charging unit may need a blanket in very cold weather to maintain a minimum temp
Right but He better KISS it good night before charging it too.
Don't have a garage? You're screwed. Have a garage? Maybe it will burn your house down. Screwed again. Oh, the joy!
Inoticird that you have your charger cord coiled up tightly. That causes the wire
If it’s kicking out all that heat in the cabin that you keep bragging about throw the charge cable inside it!! Oooo…here you were the coolest kid on the block with all your friends last week with your Rube Goldberg XV. Now it’s a $110k POS. As fuel prices keep dropping ice and hybrid sales will be more appealing than these niche XVs. As much as I would really like to see alternatives succeed and thrive these ain’t it….not with current battery tech.
The flow of electricity froze inside the charge chord.
Tell the electric Viking this‼️
Don't worry too much about guestimated range, just state of charge. The range estimate will adjust as you drive.
Great vehicle to take out to camp over night up north, especially if you have a buddy to pick you up. Only a fool would buy one of these north of Florida.
No...its making a fool out of GM.
EVs are toys until proven differently
Sounds like the supplier of the EVSE didn’t do enough HALT in the environmental chamber.
How come not charging inside garage.🤔 My nextdoor neighbor charge's Tesla in driveway because of fire threat. Next insurance company will ask you if you have EV.
Won’t fit in my garage.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I figured so just had to ask. 👍
So people who live in apartments have to run extention cords ! 😆
We once had 2 Fahrehheit or -16 Celsius here. Many years ago. Very many years ago. Before climate catastrophe. No we may get minus 2-5 celsius. I remember but my kids not.
Hybrid for my money. Electric vehicles are not worthy of my time or money.
Gmail needs to work on their chargers.
lithium batteries can be permanently damaged if charged or used in freezing conditions
Thats only LFP batteries and correct. Their full name Lithium Ferrum 4-Phosphate or LiFePo4. Li-Ion just become sluggish and do not take additional charge.