If you have ever driven a diesel, it is almost the same. I went from an F250 diesel to a lightning and I experience no range anxiety because diesel isn't available at every gas station. Very similar.
Sounds exactly what I experienced. This is why EV's are an actual nightmare unless you are in the middle of a giant metropolitan city and only drive 10 miles to work. Outside of that, and if you like your money, EV's are a complete waste and a nightmare to own. Thank Tim great video!
Ev’s are best first experienced as cars… (Tesla model 3) This way you get long range, cheap charging, and the highest efficiency. For long distance drives it makes no sense to use a pickup truck at all… except for, in this case, they wanted to test it out and see how it felt.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci The fact I only pay $4 to drive 100 miles charging at home. No ICE vehicle maintenance, no fumes, no gas stations, no noise, more power than any other F150, and it can tow up to 10,000lbs, built in 9 6 kw gasless generator. How do you figure ?
So it’s the perfect truck for someone who lives in a city and doesn’t leave very often who also doesn’t need a truck who wants to spend too much for a vehicle to look cool… got it. 👍🏼😂
@@gelu88 I’m in south Texas, most of the trucks around here get worked to some degree but even those that don’t work much put in some miles. Everything down here is measured in hours of drive time, not miles necessarily
@@gelu88 you are correct. Most but their trucks to be status symbols, aka pavement princesses. Let those people waste their extra money on the inflated ev trucks. They can continue being pavement princesses and bragging about charge times.
@@cybertrk never said it was a majority but that’s why EV trucks won’t be a viable solution down here or anywhere else outside of a simple commuter vehicle (all be it short commutes) for a long time. Practicality and convenience.
If you are 'saving' any money, you are spending more than the difference at WalMart since you are hanging out there so often. 🙃 PS: In the EV world, charger locations dictate your road trip = you stop/eat where you charge, instead of where you want to stop. Plus right now you likely have to go out of your way to even do that-
The Power Boost would’ve made the trip with 100 miles to spare and no range anxiety for about $20 more. The hybrids seem a better option for rural areas.
I was thinking that too. When I'm down to 150 miles of range in my power boost it starts to feel like I'm close to empty. I love the range it has, especially when towing. I towed my popup tent trailer ( only 2k lbs) from just north of the grapevine on I-5 to San Diego (180 miles) and got 22 mpg, a couple of weeks ago. Pretty sweet. Tim is right though, the EV is in the model T stage and will quickly become much better.
immagining my 24hr drive to florida taking 36 with charging, and costing extra in hotels, stopping to eff around walmart and spend a buncha money all the while paying about the same as what I would if i just bought a hybrid... unreal...
And think about how much worse this could be if you were driving into a strong headwind. Or you had to sit in stopped traffic with heat or a/c running. Or you had to go like 400 or 500 miles to this wedding. A trip that would take you half a day with a gas engine will now take you two days with an EV.
@@gregoryeverson741 yes but from what I've read electric/coal cars that got flooded down in Florida just started catching fire from the salt water. Chemical reaction.
@@raytycker1656 Half the range? I lose 30 miles of range in the cold. Get a grip on reality. Do some research as to how well the battery compartments are sealed. You can still traverse streams with them. You seriously believe Ev doubles the drive time? Keep sniffing your gas fumes and GO TRUMP!!!
Great video. Confirmed my surmises about EV ownership. In other words, they are not good for people who live in rural areas or make long trips. And they are generally a PITA. Also, I’m not sure there is a huge dollar savings, especially considering the money spent while waiting for it to charge, the extra insurance expense, and the cost of the vehicle.
If your pulling a trailer that is approximately 20-24 feet long and have to recharge at a charging station it is very difficult to charge with a trailer in tow. Your trailer will stick out to far at a charging station and your'd need to unhook and find a place to park your trailer before charging.
@@raytycker1656 A 6 cylinder diesel generator should do the trick. Stopping to fill up the generator tank with diesel is so much easier than stopping to charge the batteries. Wait...........
@@bobhenry6159 you can fill a generator in 3 minutes instead of charging for 3 days. On top of that ,diesel is more efficient than coal because that is what's burned to make the power to charge that battery.
Great video...really appreciated all the details (particularly the time & cost info). One of the big unanswered questions for me is - what is your time worth? I have a VW Touareg TDI that with a full tank at the start of the trip - would have made that roundtrip without stopping for fuel. Typically get around 600 miles with 90 to empty ( I try not to push it past that). My total cost of the trip for me would be around $100-$115 for diesel - but - I would have over an 1.5 hours of my time back without waiting, searching or worrying about how to get home. How much $$$ is that worth? At the point, my time is worth more than the difference.. The Lightening is perfect for the urban environment. If I rarely ever left ""town" - I would consider one.
What is his time worth ?? Well if you consider 95% of the time he will charge at home. On a yearly basis he will have MORE time. As he will charge at night while sleeping.
Math exam? Let's see. Truck says 100 miles of range and it's 50 miles to home. Yep, I'll make it. Truck says 50 miles of range and it's 100 miles to home. Nope, need to charge. Doesn't seem too strenuous to me. Ha.
Tim - PROPS - doing the road trip with the whole family as a first experience of distance EV travel!! Street cred - you’ve got it! EV road tripping has a very real learning curve. I’ve done it a little and it still is a PLAN CAREFULLY exercise. A help is staying overnight at a place that has Level 2 chargering available to customers. It makes the morning start easy, knowing it’s full at the beginning of the day.
I truly appreciate this video. It has shown me more than any other review that the cost of EV public charging is nearly equal to the price of gasoline for a pickup truck. (I live in Texas, so fuel is cheaper here - averaging about $3.15 around Dallas). With the up-front price of the EV, plus the cost of public charging, plus electrical rates rising, I don't see an electric vehicle as a smart buy for those of us who live in the "exurbs" or country. If I lived within 20 miles of work, and rarely drove outside of the city, it would make complete sense, but just wouldn't work for my situation or for many of my family members that live about 80 miles outside of the Dallas metro.
Right? And ya didn't even mention how much I would hate my wife having to wait 30 charging at this place and that place like heck not fuel up and get out. The 5 minutes I spend at the gas station is enough time not my top choice to loiter.
@@Koogz406 but given where these charging stations are, the time is negligible. You plug in while shopping or eating somewhere. It honestly takes me nearly as long to get fuel at Costco or Buc-ee's, etc because they're the "cheap" stations. And 99% of the time, you'd be charging at home, unless you live in an apartment. The cost is still the biggest problem.
@@GKMess42 I get that but only "if" I have something I need to do. My parents live 700 miles away and I drive only stopping one time so it would add hours to my trip and just extra stress for me I don't wanna have to turn off the AC to make it to a charging station or have to stop and waste money and my time waiting on the charge.
@@Koogz406 you and I are on the same page. I live an average of 50 miles one-way from everything I do, and most of the area I drive doesn't have charging stations. I want my next vehicle to be a road-trip and family vehicle. In short, an electric would not work for me for now. Also, I find paying more than $30k for any consumer vehicle to be insane, but not much choice there anymore.
I have a 2001 Chevy Tahoe. I get 16 mi to the gallon on the highway. After all the calculations I would have spent $40 more on this trip and 10 minutes at the gas station. Plus I wouldn't have the monthly payment for the $90,000 vehicle, and No stress worrying about where I could find electric chargers. I don't understand why people buy these vehicles. Great video and thank you for all the information. You did a good job.
@@cybertrk it's amusing you think charging will be less expensive as time goes on. As more people have these, and more stations are required, prices inevitably will increase. And that power has to be generated by.... you guessed it.
@@elche1976 They will have to reduce the costs. Right now there are limited number if charging stations. As more companies get involved in supplying the stations and more people using them the prices will drop. If not fewer people will travel the new expensive stations won't get any money to pay the bill it cost to install them. Remember eventually there will be as many charging stations as there are gas stations.
@@pstoneking3418 you think they will have to reduce the costs? I'm not even angry at hearing that. I'm just baffled that you actually believe that. When they have you and others like you hooked... they're going to squeeze you dry. Where do you think this electricity comes from?
@@pstoneking3418 ... dude... when everyone is relying on electricity and charging the prices will go up. Supply and demand. Rates are "low" at the charging stations now only because there are so few EV's out there and a high price would scare people away. I still don't think even with todays rates in would save a penny.
This is helpful. Thank you. I don't think a traveler should have to worry about his range. I'll keep my piston engine for the foreseeable future. Electric cars are a product whose time has not yet come.
If you live in a city or don’t have to travel far, I can see the EV working but in a rural area like I live, I’m just not willing to make my day and schedule revolve around charging times. I do however think a hybrid (power boost) makes a lot of sense for those of us in rural areas that put on a lot of miles.
@@cybertrk #1, it’s not recommended to charge the battery to 100%. #2, how do you know how many miles I or many other citizens in this area drive? We live 6 hours from the nearest major city, we’re in the oil fields where trucks literally run from sun up to sun down and some all night too. That’s how many ppl make their living here. #3 there is A LOT of towing and hauling going on here. What do you think that towing will do to that EV range? #4 how many fast charging stations do you think are in a rural area like this? I think EVs are neat, shoot, I’d love to have one as a toy but just not practical for this region right now.
@@cybertrk 230 miles is really not that far a day you got a remember unless you got that $10,000 charger system you’re gonna be there for days charging it on a 110 charger sorry but that’s the way it is takes days to charge with a 110 charger
Semi's already have this technology as part of their adaptive cruise control package. I drove a 21 Freightliner and it was literally like a pinball bouncing back and forth between the solid line of the shoulder and the striping separating the middle lanes.
Yeah. I wanted to like the Maverick, but one of the big problems I had with it was the comfort of the drivers seat. I drive a 2014 Ford Focus, and the Focus has more space for a large guy like me than the Maverick, which is insane, and disappointing. Maybe next gen they'll improve the cabin, but hard to say with the cost of everything going up.
@@joed3264 I'm a bit shorter and wider. LOL. I also can't stand transmission knobs, for multiple reasons. Give me a column shift or at least a center console one.
Absolutely charming, heartwarming video with your beautiful family, I greatly appreciate your integrity, wisdom and truth in reference to the Ford F 150 Lightning and EV vehicles in general, superbly done, and so much fun to watch. Very informative indeed.
@@terrybrockway5376 the bigger you go, the heavier you get so the less overall EV range you can drive with the additional weight. Generators aren’t light.
I did a Lake Tahoe run to Missoula Montana in my Lariat ER, yeah I was a little nervous. But after this trip, it really got the me over the range anxiety hump. There seemed to be an EA charger every 100 miles or so. BTW for $4 a month join EA and it’s 31 cents a Kw.
Pain in the butt. Let's stop, wait , go shopping, and enjoy the parking lot to make sure we get home. Good thing you are not doing truck stuff. It is a beautiful machine no doubt, just not practical for the working man or a boater who likes to travel to different lakes.
I barely recognized Tim without his 'Pickup Trucks Plus Suv Talk' hat. Another surprising point for me was he paid .43 per KWH, OMG electricity on the road aint' cheap! At home, I pay .07 per KWH.
Here in Central California we pay .31 kWh to start, then .39 kWh. It goes up from there, especially if you’re charging your oversized golf cart every day.
@@DanBCooper Dan - I hate to mention this to you, but there are a lot of people trying to find out where you are, probably a good thing you have sunglasses on in the picture, but maybe you shouldn't just tell everyone you are in California (I'm just trying to help). Having said that, I know a few folks who live down in CA who pay similar high amounts for electricity.
Tim, perhaps I missed something but when you made the statement of 559 miles for $82 of charging cost I believe there might’ve been a mistake made. Correct me if I’m wrong but you started with a charged vehicle and ended with a vehicle that was basically depleted. I believe you should have filled the vehicle up to the same percentage at the end of your trip to get an accurate account on how much money it actually cost. No different then with a gas vehicle. You would stop at a gas station close to home, fuel up, complete your trip, and then fuel up at the end.
You can’t look at it that way. First, I charge at home. Second, there are no superchargers in my area. EVs are different than gas models and this changes everything about testing them.
I was thinking the same thing. When you are trying to determine total cost for the trip you need to factor in the initial charge. No different than gas. Just because my tank was full when I pulled out of the garage doesn’t mean I don’t have to figure that cost in. Yes, you charged at home but there is still a cost associated with it. I have a 2019 Tundra Crewmax with a 32 gallon tank. Currently $125.00 to fill it up. That gets me roughly 500 miles. Not very efficient. Tim beats me hands down regardless but on that same 579 mile trip I only need to stop once for 5 minutes to fill the tank again. The pissing match, at the end of the day, is meaningless. No single vehicle is going to suit every need. Determine for yourself what your priorities and preferences are and make your buying choice accordingly. That is, until the government tells you what you can buy. We can then all carpool in the EV to the broom factory wearing our grey jumpsuits.
@@handontheplow Color me stupid and I'm no math genius but his first stop cost $23 and gave him 100mi of calculated range, $0.23/mi. If your Tundra gets 500mi on $125 that's $0.25/mi. Just a random observation...
@Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk the irony is in the additional battery capacity required, increases weight, which reduces range and efficiency. I agree. EV's are cool, especially for local driving, but long haul trips really require something more sensible.
@@iviaverick52 right. Hydrogen is the solution for long haul towing. Ford CEO Farley even stated that in public. Toyota is working on it and so is GM as well as Ram.
Will those batteries loose range as they get older, like a cell phone battery doesn’t last as long after a couple years and lots of charges? Also, what is life expectancy of the truck battery?
Yes they will. There is a mandatory 10 year warranty regarding the battery. I'd expect it'd need atleast 2 battery swaps in that time with normal use. Who could stand driving an ev that long without dying from stress and range anxiety I have no clue.
First your wife is great! 👍 You seemed to catch the charging stations without others waiting. It could have been much longer if there were lines of others charging.
I’m sorry, but there is literally nothing appealing about owning an EV to me. Pay more, less convenience, and range anxiety. Plus I really don’t want to spend that much time at Walmart.
Agree. Green hydrogen fuel cells are the answer as there is no pathway to net zero emissions without extensive use of green hydrogen fuel cells which in this type of vehicle have 500 to 700 miles of range and refills in less than 6 minutes.
Great video Tim...mmmm yeah...what...um yeah that's horrible on edge all the time...can't enjoy a road trip like that...terrible way to go on a vacation....definitely not for me...absolutely no fun with that vehicle..watch this..check that..check this....that would make me crazy...thanks for the video...keep them coming
I am learning that the EV's are being supported and promoted by food and snack places at the charging points. I now see that we are going to see an increase in diabetes and obesity directly attributed to the 1-2 recharge times needed by these vehicles every 2-3 hours. In the old days we planned stops around fun things and interesting sites. Now your whole trip is planned around charging stations and food while waiting for hours on recharging.
@@wilmarbarrick3194 But instead of rolling thru Mickey D's the old lady is going to say "Let's walk across the street to Red Lobster since we have to wait 1+ hours to charge" So the food bill goes from $35 to $95
I like the Route 66 analogy. I think that’s the mindset you have to have for those longer distance trip probably for the next 3-5 years for sure (maybe longer) depending on your area and/or State. I live in Texas and outside your major metropolitans this is not an EV friendly state. I’m not sure it will be I’m in an area the nearest fast charger is 70+ miles away. I have a day 4 reservation that still hasn’t been fulfilled by Ford but they told me that I’m going to be able to build it soon. I have a 2022 Powerboost and the dealerships here are price gouging as much as $20k so I’m not sure if I’ll convert (even though I’ve waited almost 2 years). I’m looking at an out of state option. Thanks for the video. Love the dynamic of you and the wife commenting on this. It’s adds to the entertainment and gives different perspectives.
I drive a 2017 F150 XLT Supercab 2WD with 5.0 and 6 spd auto. The truck has 150,000 miles, and has only had oil changes, brakes and two sets of tires. Overall it has been great, reliable transportation. Last week, it just completed a round-trip drive from Niagara Falls, NY to Long Beach, CA. The truck averaged 22.8 MPG over the entire trip. It is has the 24 gallon tank, so can typically go about 550 miles on a full tank. Considering this is about 2,500 miles each way, this would be ten tanks of 87 octane gasoline. Assuming about 10 minutes for fill-up, even call it 12 minutes, total time spent for "recharge" for a 5,000 mile return trip would be about _2 hours._ Gasoline stations were abundant everywhere, with exception of some parts of northeastern Colorado and eastern Utah. Used A/C at times and defrost and heat in the CO and UT mountains. *Daily driving time was 14 hours and 800 miles, for a three day drive each way.* *_How long would this drive take with an electric F150 ?"_*
Like your comment caption said, we need interchangeable batteries, where you pull into a station and drop your dead one and put in a fresh charged one. In and out in 5 minutes. The problem is the batteries would have to be standardized. As humans we are no longer smart enough to do this.
Yes plug in charging only is a stupid idea. Swappable battery packs with a plug in option much better idea. Almost seems like they want to limit your Movement. Imagine how screwed city dwellers with street parking and apartment dwellers will be having these vehicles. No where to charge they'll have to sit at Walmart and charge for hours while wasting money in Walmart waiting.
You discovered a new use case for the frunk. A place to put stinky things that you don’t want to blow out the truck bed - like Chinese food! Lol. But also, everybody should slow life down a little. Take a bit longer while driving long trips and enjoy it. It’s a glorified golf cart. Some things will be better (cheap fuel, torque, zero maintenance, fill at home) some things worse. Go to a place where everybody drives golf carts like Port Aransas and you’ll see there’s a way it works and is pretty fun. The simplicity is relaxing.
Is my math right on this. So...$23 could get you 6.38 gallons of gas at $3.60 per gallon.(And it took 30 minutes of your time to get that $23 of electricty) Those 6.38 gallons of gas in say a Powerboost, should get you 134 miles of travel at 21mpg (which you should be able to get). And you could fill that 6.38 gallons in about 3 minutes. How much less is a Powerboost vs Lightening? How much is 27 minutes of your time worth (the difference in time in putting in electricity vs gasoline)? I'm so glad I ordered a Powerboost. So with the Powerboost, you fill faster, you can travel further per dollar, and you have less stress. What are the advantages of the Lightening?
actually you can carry 2 electric generators that can be linked to charge 220. Not exactly cheap but it will charge you at level 2. And they are also coming out with the charging suitcases. Pay a monthly fee, and you can grab one and take it with you. Just return it and grab another. obviously we need infrastructure, but it is happening!!!
I’m not big on EVs but I don’t want to see families stranded on the side of the road in winter time. Maybe if you put a soft folding tonneau cover it’ll help reduce the drag and get more range. I have one on my truck and it makes a difference mpg wise.
@@phileasler5401 Just a suggestion. Take it or leave it. Might work for the Lightning. What would I know, I only manage 23-25 mpg in my V8 Ram 1500 with it doing a 4 hr trip in the winter going through hill country doing the limit.
The changes you made to adapt to the situation is a indicator of how we would have to change so much in our lives to deal with what is happening. But no leaders in our society are willing to say so. Everyone seems to think we can keep our lifestyle and it will be okay.
For comparison........... $3.09/gallon (current price at my local station) at 30Mpg & a15 gallon tank, a gas vehicle would do it at 10.3 cents a mile and one 10 minute stop for fuel
What the general public doesn’t realize is how expensive these can be to road trip. Also no one realizes that you will never get the epa/MFG “estimate”. Best I ever got in my Tesla model 3 dual motor long range was 270 miles. 40 miles short of Tesla’s estimate.
I'm sure others have told you in the comments below, but with the EA pass ($4 a month, you only pay .31 cents per KW. Which a huge difference from .43 cents per KW you are paying on this video. Also, just like ICE, EVs have a hidden buffer after the battery reaches 0%. On the Lightning it's about 20 miles to provide you a way to get a charger even after your battery says 0% left.
@@gelu88 Again, commenting on something you have no idea about. My freakin 7 year old Tesla loses less than 10% range in the blistering cold. You need to stop spreading the garbage in your head since you have 0 real world experiences.
"Found On Road Dead" (battery level) is soon replacing the old "Fix Or Repair Daily" that was the old Ford joke. I love my 21 Powerboost and it has performed flawlessly for 9,000 miles and 15 months. Averages 22 mpg in mixed driving.
You probably paid a min of 10k more for the electric version. It will probably take 100k Miles of driving till you break even then soon after that the battery will need replacement and your screwed
Basically in rural areas like western Nebraska the EV is not the right vehicle for the job and probably won’t be feasible for at least a decade. Bigger question is what happens in the winter? How much worse is that range anxiety when you have to drive through a snowstorm or happen to get stuck?
Watching you enter the Holiday Inn on the navigation screen was painful. Have tried that on a Tesla ? Simply press a button and say where you want to go.
I feel like it’s used to like haul a 4 wheeler if needed like how the average family uses an f-150. In my opinion as times go on it will be just as good as gas and probably better
Thank you for all this value information. That's why I dont believe on EV's. They are for daily commute. That technology, in my opinion, still needs 2 more decades of development. The worst is that we are being forced into it. With these prices??? Goshh.
There’s a lot of surprises on a road trip. Constitution, auto Accidents, weather. Maybe you need a diesel generator in the bed. Makes about as much sense as EVs.
Yea, too much planning and headache for me. What about at night when some of these places are closed for business or the one and only charging station is Out of Order or there is 5 Cars in front of you or you are sitting in a traffic jam for hours in 95-degree weather You are SOL! There are so many Variables to this that NO ONE is talking about. $0.14 a mile for Charging, I can drive my 5.7 Toyota for $0.21 per Mile on that trip with High Gas prices, fill up in 10 Mins and be gone. I just am not seeing the Benefit of these EV's, you're not saving the Planet with these Fat charging cords, that is not even an Argument at this point in the game and its Early in the Game at the Moment.
I really enjoy your videos! I am a Service Director for a Chev GMC Buick dealership in Castle Rock. I totally stumbled onto your channel while researching the Lightning . I also own a house just south of yours. Wave the next time you see a Huskers side by side going by, or someone stops at your drive thinking you are having a garage sale when you are actually only cleaning your garage out. Lol. Let me know if you want to test a Hummer EV out.
I think once you can use the Tesla charging network it will make things much much easier. Tesla did it right, I would love to get a Lightening but can’t deal with the shady charging options.
My 2021 hemi ram would have made the whole trip for the same money. Would have stopped once for 5 minutes and shaved 1 hour and 35 minutes off the trip. And would have 3/4 of a tank left!
10:39 EV fast charge stations need to add windshield squeegees if they expect people to road trip with EVs. They’re only at gas stations. I would still end up at a gas station anyway just to clean the windshield.
I envy the kid in the back seat. Headphones to drawn out the EV talk. You should be on a family vacation singing and enjoying the country side. Instead your sweating getting stranded.
I can trash the range anxiety goes away after a year or so. Eventually you figure out the car and it’s your new normal but I do remember the early days of owning an ev
Not a long distance option yet. The anxiety would make the trip unenjoyable for me. And the thought of hanging around a charging station during a trip is a deal breaker. I want to get where I'm going as fast as legally possible. I won't even get off the freeway for fuel unless the station is on my side. And battery degradation? How long till it only holds half a charge? Thanks for being an early adopter. If I was thinking about this truck, I'd probably reconsider.
Plus have been money well spent to get the larger battery pack. 230 miles is just not enough in my eyes. I reserved a Silverado RST. It’s supposed to have minimum 400 miles of range (640 KM) on a full charge. But let’s see when it’s actually out. So far their numbers have been modest. Back in January they said minimum 664 horsepower with max power mode. They were not kidding, now they are saying 754 horsepower! 90 HP more. So I’m hoping the range is actually better then 400 miles. If they can get it to 450 miles that’s would be awesome. Even at 400 miles it’s really good for a truck. For me, 230 mile range I would be freaking out all the time. The smaller batteries forces you to have to power up at the faster chargers. Which costs you more money! So anyone watching, get the bigger battery
I thought the marketed range was up to 400 miles. I interpreted that as being on a city duty cycle where EVs generally get the best economy. I may be wrong there, but given the range we see from other way more aerodynamic sedans I think that might be the case.
Remember all estimated mileage ranges are 60% city driving 40% highway driving. Varies because of highway speeds used in there calculations. I can get 2 4 miles per kwh driving all 55 mph highway that's around 315 mile range. All city driving I've gotten as good as 3.3 miles per kwh that's around 432 mile range. 70 mph highway average 2 miles per kwh that's around 262 mile range. The better your driving habits are the more range you'll get. One pedal driving will gain range in city and stop & go traffic. Not much on highway.
Eh, I would have spent that money anyway. We always have to stop and eat in a gas vehicle as well. Now the coat, I wouldn't have bought, but I kind of like the coat, so....
I don't see why people keep bringing up the cost of operation of an EV vs the ICE equivalent. Every new EV on the market has an increased cost up front to pay for at least 3-4 years of gas/maintenance for the identical ICE version. It's easy to see the price differences with manufacturers that have identical vehicles in both powertrains (F150, Silverado, Hyundai, Kia, etc.). It's harder for Tesla, but you can easily get a comparably equipped Accord or Camry for thousands less than a Model 3.
EVs aren't great if you tow long distances or live in a rural area. Good thing most people live in Metropolitan areas. The other thing that wasn't mentioned is that most people buying these have two incomes and a car for each adult driver. The EV can handle the local daily driving with big savings. That's why my Expedition stays parked and we drive an EV everywhere. It's hundreds in gas savings each month.
Totally agree, EV is a great second car for the family that is lugging kids all around town and need something for that job without having to worry about as much maintenance and gas prices
I will show my age. This reminds me of 1988 when I was given my first company car a diesel powered olds 88. Back then finding diesel fuel anywhere but a truck stop was next to impossible. Only a man with a personality like yours could put up with ruining a family trip by worrying about where to find a charging station. You sir are a saint! Can not wait until the libs figure this out and scream at the sky. Good luck with your new toy.
They did it completely backwards costing us much much more! You build the Infrastructure 1ST to handle all the cars( California black-out comes to mind) letting the oil company know was the worst mistake ever, not to mention we will always need oil it's not going away.
Keep your EV…cost for battery replacement, the way batteries react when it is really hot or really cold, and then cost. My current vehicle is 12 years old 200k miles and have only spent 6k on major repairs. When my overall cost was 28k
I don't even own an EV and I feel the anxiety.
If you have ever driven a diesel, it is almost the same. I went from an F250 diesel to a lightning and I experience no range anxiety because diesel isn't available at every gas station. Very similar.
Sounds exactly what I experienced. This is why EV's are an actual nightmare unless you are in the middle of a giant metropolitan city and only drive 10 miles to work. Outside of that, and if you like your money, EV's are a complete waste and a nightmare to own. Thank Tim great video!
Ev’s are best first experienced as cars… (Tesla model 3)
This way you get long range, cheap charging, and the highest efficiency.
For long distance drives it makes no sense to use a pickup truck at all… except for, in this case, they wanted to test it out and see how it felt.
@@cybertrk EVERY EV on the market today is a loser when compared to a same size gas model.
Fake fud not true
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci facts.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci The fact I only pay $4 to drive 100 miles charging at home. No ICE vehicle maintenance, no fumes, no gas stations, no noise, more power than any other F150, and it can tow up to 10,000lbs, built in 9 6 kw gasless generator. How do you figure ?
So it’s the perfect truck for someone who lives in a city and doesn’t leave very often who also doesn’t need a truck who wants to spend too much for a vehicle to look cool… got it. 👍🏼😂
Doesn't that describe half of all truck owners?
@@gelu88 I’m in south Texas, most of the trucks around here get worked to some degree but even those that don’t work much put in some miles. Everything down here is measured in hours of drive time, not miles necessarily
@@gelu88 you are correct. Most but their trucks to be status symbols, aka pavement princesses. Let those people waste their extra money on the inflated ev trucks. They can continue being pavement princesses and bragging about charge times.
@@bud6681 south Texas is not a majority
@@cybertrk never said it was a majority but that’s why EV trucks won’t be a viable solution down here or anywhere else outside of a simple commuter vehicle (all be it short commutes) for a long time. Practicality and convenience.
Yes we all want to enjoy our stops at Wal-Mart and subway for hours lol
We can post TikTok vids of "People of Walmart"
If you are 'saving' any money, you are spending more than the difference at WalMart since you are hanging out there so often. 🙃
PS: In the EV world, charger locations dictate your road trip = you stop/eat where you charge, instead of where you want to stop. Plus right now you likely have to go out of your way to even do that-
The Power Boost would’ve made the trip with 100 miles to spare and no range anxiety for about $20 more. The hybrids seem a better option for rural areas.
Nah, lot more $ then electricity
I was thinking that too. When I'm down to 150 miles of range in my power boost it starts to feel like I'm close to empty. I love the range it has, especially when towing. I towed my popup tent trailer ( only 2k lbs) from just north of the grapevine on I-5 to San Diego (180 miles) and got 22 mpg, a couple of weeks ago. Pretty sweet. Tim is right though, the EV is in the model T stage and will quickly become much better.
Long distance trips at $.43/kwh the power boost would be cheaper to drive on a trip.
I agree I love my powerboost I would not trade mind in for a ev they suck
If he had charged to 100% at his hotel overnight it would have saved a lot of time and money. L2 is half to a quarter the cost of a DC fast charger.
What a pain. Seems like having to do a trip like that at night would not be fun
immagining my 24hr drive to florida taking 36 with charging, and costing extra in hotels, stopping to eff around walmart and spend a buncha money all the while paying about the same as what I would if i just bought a hybrid... unreal...
@@666dynomax hybrid is the way
If there was an accident and you were stuck in freezing temps how would you rate it?
And think about how much worse this could be if you were driving into a strong headwind. Or you had to sit in stopped traffic with heat or a/c running. Or you had to go like 400 or 500 miles to this wedding. A trip that would take you half a day with a gas engine will now take you two days with an EV.
Not mention you will get half the range in winter. Plus what about snow n salt causing those batteries to combust.
@@raytycker1656 road salt hates everything
@@gregoryeverson741 yes but from what I've read electric/coal cars that got flooded down in Florida just started catching fire from the salt water. Chemical reaction.
Ridiculous you spend more time charging than you do driving
@@raytycker1656 Half the range? I lose 30 miles of range in the cold. Get a grip on reality. Do some research as to how well the battery compartments are sealed. You can still traverse streams with them. You seriously believe Ev doubles the drive time? Keep sniffing your gas fumes and GO TRUMP!!!
Great video. Confirmed my surmises about EV ownership. In other words, they are not good for people who live in rural areas or make long trips. And they are generally a PITA.
Also, I’m not sure there is a huge dollar savings, especially considering the money spent while waiting for it to charge, the extra insurance expense, and the cost of the vehicle.
If your pulling a trailer that is approximately 20-24 feet long and have to recharge at a charging station it is very difficult to charge with a trailer in tow. Your trailer will stick out to far at a charging station and your'd need to unhook and find a place to park your trailer before charging.
Simply haul a generator in the bed and charge while driving👍
@@raytycker1656 A 6 cylinder diesel generator should do the trick. Stopping to fill up the generator tank with diesel is so much easier than stopping to charge the batteries. Wait...........
@@bobhenry6159 you can fill a generator in 3 minutes instead of charging for 3 days. On top of that ,diesel is more efficient than coal because that is what's burned to make the power to charge that battery.
@@raytycker1656 Ummm...buy a diesel truck and save money on the $10,000 generator. loll
@@bobhenry6159 I mean when I can no longer get a piston driven truck.
Great video...really appreciated all the details (particularly the time & cost info). One of the big unanswered questions for me is - what is your time worth? I have a VW Touareg TDI that with a full tank at the start of the trip - would have made that roundtrip without stopping for fuel. Typically get around 600 miles with 90 to empty ( I try not to push it past that). My total cost of the trip for me would be around $100-$115 for diesel - but - I would have over an 1.5 hours of my time back without waiting, searching or worrying about how to get home. How much $$$ is that worth? At the point, my time is worth more than the difference.. The Lightening is perfect for the urban environment. If I rarely ever left ""town" - I would consider one.
What is his time worth ?? Well if you consider 95% of the time he will charge at home. On a yearly basis he will have MORE time. As he will charge at night while sleeping.
Got to love taking a Math exam every time you drive an EV just so you can make it home.
No s***
Math exam? Let's see. Truck says 100 miles of range and it's 50 miles to home. Yep, I'll make it. Truck says 50 miles of range and it's 100 miles to home. Nope, need to charge. Doesn't seem too strenuous to me. Ha.
It really is the model T of EVs.
Good point on the winter thing. Also with more EVs I wonder if there is gunna be a long wait for charging stations
You bet there will be. They're not going to put in 300 Million chargers across the country. You ll sit for days waiting for a charger.
Where do you plug it in when the grid goes down???
@@johnjaco5544 to the gas generators lol
Tim - PROPS - doing the road trip with the whole family as a first experience of distance EV travel!! Street cred - you’ve got it!
EV road tripping has a very real learning curve. I’ve done it a little and it still is a PLAN CAREFULLY exercise.
A help is staying overnight at a place that has Level 2 chargering available to customers. It makes the morning start easy, knowing it’s full at the beginning of the day.
Or…or… stay with me here…just drive a real truck with a diesel!
As a business owner my time is worth much more than for few bucks in gas I would save.
I truly appreciate this video. It has shown me more than any other review that the cost of EV public charging is nearly equal to the price of gasoline for a pickup truck. (I live in Texas, so fuel is cheaper here - averaging about $3.15 around Dallas).
With the up-front price of the EV, plus the cost of public charging, plus electrical rates rising, I don't see an electric vehicle as a smart buy for those of us who live in the "exurbs" or country.
If I lived within 20 miles of work, and rarely drove outside of the city, it would make complete sense, but just wouldn't work for my situation or for many of my family members that live about 80 miles outside of the Dallas metro.
Right? And ya didn't even mention how much I would hate my wife having to wait 30 charging at this place and that place like heck not fuel up and get out. The 5 minutes I spend at the gas station is enough time not my top choice to loiter.
@@Koogz406 but given where these charging stations are, the time is negligible. You plug in while shopping or eating somewhere. It honestly takes me nearly as long to get fuel at Costco or Buc-ee's, etc because they're the "cheap" stations.
And 99% of the time, you'd be charging at home, unless you live in an apartment.
The cost is still the biggest problem.
@@GKMess42 I get that but only "if" I have something I need to do. My parents live 700 miles away and I drive only stopping one time so it would add hours to my trip and just extra stress for me I don't wanna have to turn off the AC to make it to a charging station or have to stop and waste money and my time waiting on the charge.
@@GKMess42 for a daily work commuter I get it and it would work for sure but the up front cost and the longevity and not worth the cash to me
@@Koogz406 you and I are on the same page. I live an average of 50 miles one-way from everything I do, and most of the area I drive doesn't have charging stations. I want my next vehicle to be a road-trip and family vehicle. In short, an electric would not work for me for now.
Also, I find paying more than $30k for any consumer vehicle to be insane, but not much choice there anymore.
Always remember that the chargers rates slow down quite a but after 80% soc.
I have a 2001 Chevy Tahoe. I get 16 mi to the gallon on the highway. After all the calculations I would have spent $40 more on this trip and 10 minutes at the gas station. Plus I wouldn't have the monthly payment for the $90,000 vehicle, and No stress worrying about where I could find electric chargers. I don't understand why people buy these vehicles.
Great video and thank you for all the information. You did a good job.
That trip costed $82 - thats equivalent to an ICE vehicle averaging 30 mpg at $4.25 a gallon !
Electrify America rips people off, once Tesla opens their supercharger to everyone it’ll be half the cost.
@@cybertrk it's amusing you think charging will be less expensive as time goes on. As more people have these, and more stations are required, prices inevitably will increase. And that power has to be generated by.... you guessed it.
@@elche1976 They will have to reduce the costs. Right now there are limited number if charging stations. As more companies get involved in supplying the stations and more people using them the prices will drop. If not fewer people will travel the new expensive stations won't get any money to pay the bill it cost to install them. Remember eventually there will be as many charging stations as there are gas stations.
@@pstoneking3418 you think they will have to reduce the costs? I'm not even angry at hearing that. I'm just baffled that you actually believe that.
When they have you and others like you hooked... they're going to squeeze you dry. Where do you think this electricity comes from?
@@pstoneking3418 ... dude... when everyone is relying on electricity and charging the prices will go up. Supply and demand. Rates are "low" at the charging stations now only because there are so few EV's out there and a high price would scare people away. I still don't think even with todays rates in would save a penny.
This is helpful. Thank you. I don't think a traveler should have to worry about his range. I'll keep my piston engine for the foreseeable future. Electric cars are a product whose time has not yet come.
If you live in a city or don’t have to travel far, I can see the EV working but in a rural area like I live, I’m just not willing to make my day and schedule revolve around charging times. I do however think a hybrid (power boost) makes a lot of sense for those of us in rural areas that put on a lot of miles.
Love my PB, awesome range.
You don’t drive 230 miles+ every day.
You charge at home while you sleep… everyday, full in the morning.
@@cybertrk #1, it’s not recommended to charge the battery to 100%. #2, how do you know how many miles I or many other citizens in this area drive? We live 6 hours from the nearest major city, we’re in the oil fields where trucks literally run from sun up to sun down and some all night too. That’s how many ppl make their living here. #3 there is A LOT of towing and hauling going on here. What do you think that towing will do to that EV range? #4 how many fast charging stations do you think are in a rural area like this?
I think EVs are neat, shoot, I’d love to have one as a toy but just not practical for this region right now.
@@cybertrk how do you know?
@@cybertrk 230 miles is really not that far a day you got a remember unless you got that $10,000 charger system you’re gonna be there for days charging it on a 110 charger sorry but that’s the way it is takes days to charge with a 110 charger
Semi's already have this technology as part of their adaptive cruise control package. I drove a 21 Freightliner and it was literally like a pinball bouncing back and forth between the solid line of the shoulder and the striping separating the middle lanes.
My Ford Maverick Hybrid would have made that same trip for $42. No anxiety.
Yeah. I wanted to like the Maverick, but one of the big problems I had with it was the comfort of the drivers seat.
I drive a 2014 Ford Focus, and the Focus has more space for a large guy like me than the Maverick, which is insane, and disappointing.
Maybe next gen they'll improve the cabin, but hard to say with the cost of everything going up.
@@GKMess42 You must be a big guy lol. I am 6'1" 220lbs. Plenty of room for me.
@@joed3264 I'm a bit shorter and wider. LOL.
I also can't stand transmission knobs, for multiple reasons. Give me a column shift or at least a center console one.
@@GKMess42 It actually works well. It does not have a stop for park, reverse or drive.
Absolutely charming, heartwarming video with your beautiful family, I greatly appreciate your integrity, wisdom and truth in reference to the Ford F 150 Lightning and EV vehicles in general, superbly done, and so much fun to watch. Very informative indeed.
$23 for 107 miles of range. For $23 of gas my 2012 Ford Focus would go 222 miles.
Don't forget you started with a full charge, when you get home add the amount to get back to a full charge, then you will have the cost of the trip.
Charging at home costs next to nothing. You can charge this truck from 0-100 for about $14 where I live.
@@Thanos88888 yeh but it takes half a day to do it...
@@KingMrBigE so what? If it charges while I'm sleeping, does it really matter if it takes a while?
@@Thanos88888 yes because it's all relative...
Such a large inconvenience to stop 3 times in 24 hours to go 300 miles. My car gets 34 mpg and to go 107 miles at $3.50 cost me $11
Rather than a smoker’s life revolving around the next cigarette, the EV owner’s life revolves around the next charge.
Would be nice to have a generator in the bed. Like a 5-gallon gas jug in the back for emergencies.
I just don't see it. It would take an hour or better to get 2-3 miles of range. So not worth it.
Maybe a bigger generator? 😊
@@terrybrockway5376 the bigger you go, the heavier you get so the less overall EV range you can drive with the additional weight. Generators aren’t light.
I did a Lake Tahoe run to Missoula Montana in my Lariat ER, yeah I was a little nervous. But after this trip, it really got the me over the range anxiety hump. There seemed to be an EA charger every 100 miles or so. BTW for $4 a month join EA and it’s 31 cents a Kw.
Try it in winter time
@@johnjaco5544 No way!! Lol.
You don't need enough charge to make it home... you just need to get within AAA tow package range.
LOL. True.
Fud alert
I imagine at some point there will be trucks with giant batteries to fast-charge your dead EV on the side of the road, for an exorbitant fee.
You can only flat bed a lightning. Will damage motors for even a short tow .
@@phileasler5401 truth denier alert.
Pain in the butt. Let's stop, wait , go shopping, and enjoy the parking lot to make sure we get home. Good thing you are not doing truck stuff. It is a beautiful machine no doubt, just not practical for the working man or a boater who likes to travel to different lakes.
That "door chime" drove me nuts. Why do different sounds than the gas trucks? Just my own opinion on the sound...
I barely recognized Tim without his 'Pickup Trucks Plus Suv Talk' hat. Another surprising point for me was he paid .43 per KWH, OMG electricity on the road aint' cheap! At home, I pay .07 per KWH.
I was trying to be incognito with no hat! LOL
Electrify America is highway robbery.
Tesla supercharger in that area is probably $0.15 per kWh
@@Pickuptrucktalk instead you achieved incognitive. 😁jk
Here in Central California we pay .31 kWh to start, then .39 kWh. It goes up from there, especially if you’re charging your oversized golf cart every day.
@@DanBCooper Dan - I hate to mention this to you, but there are a lot of people trying to find out where you are, probably a good thing you have sunglasses on in the picture, but maybe you shouldn't just tell everyone you are in California (I'm just trying to help). Having said that, I know a few folks who live down in CA who pay similar high amounts for electricity.
Tim, perhaps I missed something but when you made the statement of 559 miles for $82 of charging cost I believe there might’ve been a mistake made. Correct me if I’m wrong but you started with a charged vehicle and ended with a vehicle that was basically depleted. I believe you should have filled the vehicle up to the same percentage at the end of your trip to get an accurate account on how much money it actually cost. No different then with a gas vehicle. You would stop at a gas station close to home, fuel up, complete your trip, and then fuel up at the end.
You can’t look at it that way. First, I charge at home. Second, there are no superchargers in my area.
EVs are different than gas models and this changes everything about testing them.
I was thinking the same thing. When you are trying to determine total cost for the trip you need to factor in the initial charge. No different than gas. Just because my tank was full when I pulled out of the garage doesn’t mean I don’t have to figure that cost in. Yes, you charged at home but there is still a cost associated with it.
I have a 2019 Tundra Crewmax with a 32 gallon tank. Currently $125.00 to fill it up. That gets me roughly 500 miles. Not very efficient. Tim beats me hands down regardless but on that same 579 mile trip I only need to stop once for 5 minutes to fill the tank again.
The pissing match, at the end of the day, is meaningless. No single vehicle is going to suit every need. Determine for yourself what your priorities and preferences are and make your buying choice accordingly. That is, until the government tells you what you can buy. We can then all carpool in the EV to the broom factory wearing our grey jumpsuits.
@@handontheplow Color me stupid and I'm no math genius but his first stop cost $23 and gave him 100mi of calculated range, $0.23/mi. If your Tundra gets 500mi on $125 that's $0.25/mi. Just a random observation...
@@jims4036 Maybe I had too much to drink and didn’t listen to Tim close enough. I will need to watch it again and do some more of that math stuff.
When an EV can go 500 miles on a single charge while towing 10k lbs, then I'll consider buying one.
That's not going to happen. It is going to go hydrogen for towing.
@Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk the irony is in the additional battery capacity required, increases weight, which reduces range and efficiency. I agree. EV's are cool, especially for local driving, but long haul trips really require something more sensible.
@@iviaverick52 right. Hydrogen is the solution for long haul towing. Ford CEO Farley even stated that in public. Toyota is working on it and so is GM as well as Ram.
I’m ready for a plug in hybrid truck not a full electric truck just yet.
I'm keeping my trusted V-8.
This electric car thing looks like insanity! Who would have time to do this when you're travling.
Will those batteries loose range as they get older, like a cell phone battery doesn’t last as long after a couple years and lots of charges? Also, what is life expectancy of the truck battery?
Yes they will. There is a mandatory 10 year warranty regarding the battery. I'd expect it'd need atleast 2 battery swaps in that time with normal use. Who could stand driving an ev that long without dying from stress and range anxiety I have no clue.
@@triedproven9908 how much is a battery swap? Cost wise, will it be worth buying a used ev if you need to budget big $$$ to replace batteries?
@@dmanmb Cant speak for the Lighting BUT a Hummer EVs battery cost is 30K plus installation.
Hilarious watching Tim as a passenger...
First your wife is great! 👍
You seemed to catch the charging stations without others waiting. It could have been much longer if there were lines of others charging.
I’m sorry, but there is literally nothing appealing about owning an EV to me. Pay more, less convenience, and range anxiety. Plus I really don’t want to spend that much time at Walmart.
Agree. Green hydrogen fuel cells are the answer as there is no pathway to net zero emissions without extensive use of green hydrogen fuel cells which in this type of vehicle have 500 to 700 miles of range and refills in less than 6 minutes.
Great video Tim...mmmm yeah...what...um yeah that's horrible on edge all the time...can't enjoy a road trip like that...terrible way to go on a vacation....definitely not for me...absolutely no fun with that vehicle..watch this..check that..check this....that would make me crazy...thanks for the video...keep them coming
Great video…. Thanks for the info. And awesome family by the way!
I am learning that the EV's are being supported and promoted by food and snack places at the charging points. I now see that we are going to see an increase in diabetes and obesity directly attributed to the 1-2 recharge times needed by these vehicles every 2-3 hours. In the old days we planned stops around fun things and interesting sites. Now your whole trip is planned around charging stations and food while waiting for hours on recharging.
Like there are no food and snacks near gas stations.🤣
@@wilmarbarrick3194 But instead of rolling thru Mickey D's the old lady is going to say "Let's walk across the street to Red Lobster since we have to wait 1+ hours to charge"
So the food bill goes from $35 to $95
Fud alert
@@phileasler5401 Phil, your fud comments only out you as a denier. Facts > your feelings. Grow some thicker skin, male Karen.
5 minutes at a pump I can add 300 miles range to my pick up :)
I like the Route 66 analogy. I think that’s the mindset you have to have for those longer distance trip probably for the next 3-5 years for sure (maybe longer) depending on your area and/or State. I live in Texas and outside your major metropolitans this is not an EV friendly state. I’m not sure it will be I’m in an area the nearest fast charger is 70+ miles away. I have a day 4 reservation that still hasn’t been fulfilled by Ford but they told me that I’m going to be able to build it soon. I have a 2022 Powerboost and the dealerships here are price gouging as much as $20k so I’m not sure if I’ll convert (even though I’ve waited almost 2 years). I’m looking at an out of state option. Thanks for the video. Love the dynamic of you and the wife commenting on this. It’s adds to the entertainment and gives different perspectives.
I drive a 2017 F150 XLT Supercab 2WD with 5.0 and 6 spd auto. The truck has 150,000 miles, and has only had oil changes, brakes and two sets of tires. Overall it has been great, reliable transportation. Last week, it just completed a round-trip drive from Niagara Falls, NY to Long Beach, CA. The truck averaged 22.8 MPG over the entire trip. It is has the 24 gallon tank, so can typically go about 550 miles on a full tank. Considering this is about 2,500 miles each way, this would be ten tanks of 87 octane gasoline. Assuming about 10 minutes for fill-up, even call it 12 minutes, total time spent for "recharge" for a 5,000 mile return trip would be about _2 hours._ Gasoline stations were abundant everywhere, with exception of some parts of northeastern Colorado and eastern Utah. Used A/C at times and defrost and heat in the CO and UT mountains.
*Daily driving time was 14 hours and 800 miles, for a three day drive each way.*
*_How long would this drive take with an electric F150 ?"_*
Like your comment caption said, we need interchangeable batteries, where you pull into a station and drop your dead one and put in a fresh charged one. In and out in 5 minutes. The problem is the batteries would have to be standardized. As humans we are no longer smart enough to do this.
Yes plug in charging only is a stupid idea. Swappable battery packs with a plug in option much better idea. Almost seems like they want to limit your Movement. Imagine how screwed city dwellers with street parking and apartment dwellers will be having these vehicles. No where to charge they'll have to sit at Walmart and charge for hours while wasting money in Walmart waiting.
How much would it extend your milage if you dropped from 70mph (120 kph approx)to 60 mph(100 kph)
About 2-3 miles.
gaining 2-3 more miles isnt worth it if it takes you 10more mins to get there
Let’s talk about our range every 5 minutes.
Thank you for sharing. Good video
Ha ha ha ha
So this is like a expensive golf cart, good for riding around the neighborhood!
You discovered a new use case for the frunk. A place to put stinky things that you don’t want to blow out the truck bed - like Chinese food! Lol. But also, everybody should slow life down a little. Take a bit longer while driving long trips and enjoy it. It’s a glorified golf cart. Some things will be better (cheap fuel, torque, zero maintenance, fill at home) some things worse. Go to a place where everybody drives golf carts like Port Aransas and you’ll see there’s a way it works and is pretty fun. The simplicity is relaxing.
Is my math right on this. So...$23 could get you 6.38 gallons of gas at $3.60 per gallon.(And it took 30 minutes of your time to get that $23 of electricty) Those 6.38 gallons of gas in say a Powerboost, should get you 134 miles of travel at 21mpg (which you should be able to get). And you could fill that 6.38 gallons in about 3 minutes. How much less is a Powerboost vs Lightening? How much is 27 minutes of your time worth (the difference in time in putting in electricity vs gasoline)? I'm so glad I ordered a Powerboost. So with the Powerboost, you fill faster, you can travel further per dollar, and you have less stress. What are the advantages of the Lightening?
It’s a better virtue signal.
Ok Tim. So now try to do that same trip towing an 18’ boat.
I have to laugh when I see people at paid charge stations sitting in their cars twiddling their thumbs waiting!
actually you can carry 2 electric generators that can be linked to charge 220. Not exactly cheap but it will charge you at level 2. And they are also coming out with the charging suitcases. Pay a monthly fee, and you can grab one and take it with you. Just return it and grab another. obviously we need infrastructure, but it is happening!!!
I’m not big on EVs but I don’t want to see families stranded on the side of the road in winter time. Maybe if you put a soft folding tonneau cover it’ll help reduce the drag and get more range. I have one on my truck and it makes a difference mpg wise.
The covers actually don’t make any difference in ice, weather & elevation, and mostly speed
@@phileasler5401 Just a suggestion. Take it or leave it. Might work for the Lightning. What would I know, I only manage 23-25 mpg in my V8 Ram 1500 with it doing a 4 hr trip in the winter going through hill country doing the limit.
Tonneau cover would definitely improve the range. I'll be getting one for my lightning.
The changes you made to adapt to the situation is a indicator of how we would have to change so much in our lives to deal with what is happening.
But no leaders in our society are willing to say so. Everyone seems to think we can keep our lifestyle and it will be okay.
The leaders dont want you to have a life
It’s good around Town are like where I live short trips about 75 miles one way.
For comparison........... $3.09/gallon (current price at my local station) at 30Mpg & a15 gallon tank, a gas vehicle would do it at 10.3 cents a mile and one 10 minute stop for fuel
What the general public doesn’t realize is how expensive these can be to road trip. Also no one realizes that you will never get the epa/MFG “estimate”. Best I ever got in my Tesla model 3 dual motor long range was 270 miles. 40 miles short of Tesla’s estimate.
Need full size pickup with a plug-in hybrid technology we do not have the inter structure for full ev yet
I'm sure others have told you in the comments below, but with the EA pass ($4 a month, you only pay .31 cents per KW. Which a huge difference from .43 cents per KW you are paying on this video. Also, just like ICE, EVs have a hidden buffer after the battery reaches 0%. On the Lightning it's about 20 miles to provide you a way to get a charger even after your battery says 0% left.
What about cold weather and battery life. Like in Nebraska when it gets to 5 below zero. How does that change things?
It affects things for sure. I’m hearing 5-10% range reduction. I’m hoping to get an EV over the winter to see first hand the range loss.
You lose 20 to 30% range.
Does ford heat the battery compartment? To protect the ion battery. I wonder
@@tomomeara363 yup. Batteries are heated and cooled to operate at an optimum temperature.
@@gelu88 Again, commenting on something you have no idea about.
My freakin 7 year old Tesla loses less than 10% range in the blistering cold.
You need to stop spreading the garbage in your head since you have 0 real world experiences.
Imagine if you were towing something?
"Found On Road Dead" (battery level) is soon replacing the old "Fix Or Repair Daily" that was the old Ford joke. I love my 21 Powerboost and it has performed flawlessly for 9,000 miles and 15 months. Averages 22 mpg in mixed driving.
You probably paid a min of 10k more for the electric version. It will probably take 100k Miles of driving till you break even then soon after that the battery will need replacement and your screwed
Not ready for prime time use for the careless person on a quick haul..seems like paying more for less and going backwards
Basically in rural areas like western Nebraska the EV is not the right vehicle for the job and probably won’t be feasible for at least a decade. Bigger question is what happens in the winter? How much worse is that range anxiety when you have to drive through a snowstorm or happen to get stuck?
Watching you enter the Holiday Inn on the navigation screen was painful. Have tried that on a Tesla ? Simply press a button and say where you want to go.
I feel like it’s used to like haul a 4 wheeler if needed like how the average family uses an f-150. In my opinion as times go on it will be just as good as gas and probably better
For local use it's definitely already better than any ICE vehicle.
Thank you for all this value information. That's why I dont believe on EV's. They are for daily commute. That technology, in my opinion, still needs 2 more decades of development. The worst is that we are being forced into it. With these prices??? Goshh.
There’s a lot of surprises on a road trip. Constitution, auto Accidents, weather. Maybe you need a diesel generator in the bed. Makes about as much sense as EVs.
Yea, too much planning and headache for me. What about at night when some of these places are closed for business or the one and
only charging station is Out of Order or there is 5 Cars in front of you or you are sitting in a traffic jam for hours in 95-degree weather
You are SOL! There are so many Variables to this that NO ONE is talking about.
$0.14 a mile for Charging, I can drive my 5.7 Toyota for $0.21 per Mile on that trip with High Gas prices, fill up in 10 Mins and be gone.
I just am not seeing the Benefit of these EV's, you're not saving the Planet with these Fat charging cords, that is not
even an Argument at this point in the game and its Early in the Game at the Moment.
I really enjoy your videos! I am a Service Director for a Chev GMC Buick dealership in Castle Rock. I totally stumbled onto your channel while researching the Lightning . I also own a house just south of yours. Wave the next time you see a Huskers side by side going by, or someone stops at your drive thinking you are having a garage sale when you are actually only cleaning your garage out. Lol. Let me know if you want to test a Hummer EV out.
I just canceled my reservation today.
We are not ready for this yet the technology is not there yet not to mention the charging stations like you said in the rural areas
So basically you have to plan ans calculate every trip. How fun.
I think once you can use the Tesla charging network it will make things much much easier. Tesla did it right, I would love to get a Lightening but can’t deal with the shady charging options.
I think it’s going to take a while longer for non-Tesla auto makers to catch up with both mapping and the charging network. It will happen eventually.
My 2021 hemi ram would have made the whole trip for the same money. Would have stopped once for 5 minutes and shaved 1 hour and 35 minutes off the trip. And would have 3/4 of a tank left!
Nice video, you're experiencing pretty much the same as other EV Lighting user are going through.
10:39 EV fast charge stations need to add windshield squeegees if they expect people to road trip with EVs. They’re only at gas stations. I would still end up at a gas station anyway just to clean the windshield.
I actually legit thought the same damn thing. The windshield is filled with bugs.
I envy the kid in the back seat. Headphones to drawn out the EV talk. You should be on a family vacation singing and enjoying the country side. Instead your sweating getting stranded.
Fantastic Vid.
I can trash the range anxiety goes away after a year or so. Eventually you figure out the car and it’s your new normal but I do remember the early days of owning an ev
Not a long distance option yet. The anxiety would make the trip unenjoyable for me. And the thought of hanging around a charging station during a trip is a deal breaker. I want to get where I'm going as fast as legally possible. I won't even get off the freeway for fuel unless the station is on my side. And battery degradation? How long till it only holds half a charge? Thanks for being an early adopter. If I was thinking about this truck, I'd probably reconsider.
Plus have been money well spent to get the larger battery pack. 230 miles is just not enough in my eyes. I reserved a Silverado RST. It’s supposed to have minimum 400 miles of range (640 KM) on a full charge. But let’s see when it’s actually out. So far their numbers have been modest. Back in January they said minimum 664 horsepower with max power mode. They were not kidding, now they are saying 754 horsepower! 90 HP more. So I’m hoping the range is actually better then 400 miles. If they can get it to 450 miles that’s would be awesome. Even at 400 miles it’s really good for a truck. For me, 230 mile range I would be freaking out all the time. The smaller batteries forces you to have to power up at the faster chargers. Which costs you more money! So anyone watching, get the bigger battery
I thought the marketed range was up to 400 miles. I interpreted that as being on a city duty cycle where EVs generally get the best economy. I may be wrong there, but given the range we see from other way more aerodynamic sedans I think that might be the case.
The 230 miles is good for county fleet vehicles where they never leave the county.
This is the bigger battery. The Platinum only comes with the extended range battery.
@@Pickuptrucktalk At that truck is what, $10K more in price?
Remember all estimated mileage ranges are 60% city driving 40% highway driving. Varies because of highway speeds used in there calculations. I can get 2 4 miles per kwh driving all 55 mph highway that's around 315 mile range. All city driving I've gotten as good as 3.3 miles per kwh that's around 432 mile range. 70 mph highway average 2 miles per kwh that's around 262 mile range. The better your driving habits are the more range you'll get. One pedal driving will gain range in city and stop & go traffic. Not much on highway.
What about adding up the cost of food and snacks to this? Along with the cost of electristy
You don’t eat?
Eh, I would have spent that money anyway. We always have to stop and eat in a gas vehicle as well. Now the coat, I wouldn't have bought, but I kind of like the coat, so....
Plus you'll end up with extra needless expensive hotel stays
I don't see why people keep bringing up the cost of operation of an EV vs the ICE equivalent. Every new EV on the market has an increased cost up front to pay for at least 3-4 years of gas/maintenance for the identical ICE version. It's easy to see the price differences with manufacturers that have identical vehicles in both powertrains (F150, Silverado, Hyundai, Kia, etc.). It's harder for Tesla, but you can easily get a comparably equipped Accord or Camry for thousands less than a Model 3.
my ICE car cost me 18K (3yrs old) a new Ecar is around 60K+ (i will not buy a used Ecar)
EVs aren't great if you tow long distances or live in a rural area. Good thing most people live in Metropolitan areas. The other thing that wasn't mentioned is that most people buying these have two incomes and a car for each adult driver. The EV can handle the local daily driving with big savings. That's why my Expedition stays parked and we drive an EV everywhere. It's hundreds in gas savings each month.
Totally agree, EV is a great second car for the family that is lugging kids all around town and need something for that job without having to worry about as much maintenance and gas prices
I’ll stick with my 5.0 V8 F150…
This video convinced me that an EV would only be worth it if it was a 3rd vehicle in my household. It's just a niche vehicle with some cool factor.
I will show my age. This reminds me of 1988 when I was given my first company car a diesel powered olds 88. Back then finding diesel fuel anywhere but a truck stop was next to impossible. Only a man with a personality like yours could put up with ruining a family trip by worrying about where to find a charging station. You sir are a saint! Can not wait until the libs figure this out and scream at the sky. Good luck with your new toy.
If you're smart you return that truck to the dealership
I think electric is great if it works, but... Give me gas or diesel until it makes sense
Yep, I remember getting diesel at the pumps where the semi fuel was. The fuel nozzle was to big for my 6.9 ford. But I made it work.
Constant focusing on range, charging time, miles, just crazy. I’ll take my hybrid with 14-gallon tank and 580 miles of range.
They did it completely backwards costing us much much more! You build the Infrastructure 1ST to handle all the cars( California black-out comes to mind) letting the oil company know was the worst mistake ever, not to mention we will always need oil it's not going away.
How much will you lose trying to sell a used ev150 that didn't really work well for the average truck driver? jus wondering
Who knows at this point. There isn't enough data to talk about resale.
Keep your EV…cost for battery replacement, the way batteries react when it is really hot or really cold, and then cost.
My current vehicle is 12 years old 200k miles and have only spent 6k on major repairs. When my overall cost was 28k
F150 lightning battery pack to replace is well over $30,000.00 . EV scam.