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What are your thoughts? Is the extra heat and noise worth it and it's fine? Or should Apple have just made it right from the start...?
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Max Tech. very informative video.When the new 14 inch Macbook Pro releases,do check it's thermals and if the fans are connected to the heat sink or not
Is it me or could your laptop be kinda funky? because i tried to play 4k 60 fps video in chrome and my temps were at 71-72 max. and the spikes i get were not like yours. its really weird ~
You can’t watch 4K TH-cam on safari. Those 4K videos you loaded were only 1080p. Chrome is actually playing the video in 4K.
Can you guys test with that useless fan unplugged or blocked, I would like to see how truly passive cooling this macbook air can do
It is criminal for apple to release the Macbook Air without any proper cooling. i think they have done it deliberately to make people spend more money on the Pro. Yes you can use the Air for daily tasks but it should not be reaching temperatures that high just when watching a few youtube videos. I'm using a £200 Windows Notebook and I have no overheating issues so for a laptop that is £1000 it is a joke and i completely agree with you Max. The only thing is, it is pointless using Safari to watch 4k as it does not playback at 4K. Only chrome can do this hence why the temperature rose so quickly. I'm waiting for the 14" Macbook Pro and the new iMac
Can’t believe I have to be careful about opening a few tabs and videos in a $1,000 laptop in 2020
Im done , thats what i thought ::D:D:D:D:D:
Good news! The M1 macs fix this
@@PoIarism Is the M1 worth buying? Is there any problems with this model please. I was thinking about buying the MacBook Air i3 or i5 but heard so much about them overheating. I want to put my cds on iTunes,store my photos on there & burn the odd CD. What do you suggest?
lol... feeling like 1985 all over again
You can’t watch 4K TH-cam with safari. Just because the title says 4K doesn’t mean that’s what it’s playing in. It’s only playing in 1080p. Chrome is actually playing the videos in 4K which is why the temps are higher.
So true
yep and also the fact that it will be using software decoding in youtube for anything above 1080p, make it consumes much more performance
He didn't play the video in 4K in Safari. He knows Safari will max out the 4k videos at 1080p. He did that and then open chrome so that he can compare Temp of Safari for 1080p vs Chrome's temp at 4k 60. Duhhh...
@@sttv1570 So what's the point of that test? To show rendering a 4k60 video takes more processing power than 1080p60?
@@sttv1570 That's extremely stupid and makes zero sense.
Macbook Air 2020 needs "air"
Lol 😂 Word.
My air went off reading this
Yeap, this machine is a JOKE, its my first time I see a computer where the cooler is separate of processor, CONGRATULATIONS APPLE !
Ronja Sebastian 😂 lmao the truth
😂😂
I can't recall other manufacturer to have done this , putting a fan in the laptop and not connecting it to the CPU
Alex Michael well that a good point but reason for it because intel confirmed it to be only 10watts but in some heavy tasks the cpu ramps up and it just exceeds 10watts when its turbo boosting which the cooler it self is only capable of 10watts of heat dissipation and as a result it heats up than usual and get thermal throttled
@@hasirucjay5521 intel measures TDP at base frequency.If the cpu is running at higher frequency,it will have higher TDP.
Hasiru C Jay Those aren’t heavy tasks. ZOOM on this MacBook is running hot. All those tasks run faster and cooler on my 300€ Lenovo Laptop.
@@hasirucjay5521 i love apple products. But this laptop is a no no for me.
Think of it as a nearly fan less computer.
The fan is for the overall airflow.
But I do wish it would either be 100% fan less and/or less cpu heat
I just returned my 2020 i5 MBA. I wasn't as concerned about the overheating as I was for the disruptive fan noise on work video conferencing sessions. Whether it be Zoom, BlueJeans or TeamLink, others were hearing my fans! For a brand new computer that was unacceptable. Using my trusty 2017 iPad for tele-conferencing now and there doesn't seem to be overheating and obviously no fan noise since there are no fans in it.
More than ever we need 13" MacBook Pro refresh. Macbook Air had so much potential
Agree!
It's a good PC and thankfully people are helping us to understand its limits.
People like you are the problem.....quit trying to make the MacBook Air act like a MacBook Pro and then most of these problems magically go away.
ricky v it’s not a PC lol
Honestly for regular use cases the base i3 MacBook Air is just fine
The reason why MacBook Air got higher temp in chrome is probably because MacOS doesn’t support hardware decoding vp9 content. In safari, youtube only provide h.264 content, which can be hw decoded by mba. This is also why TH-cam on the Safari or other iOS devices can’t play 4K content.
Have you tried the new Edge on MacOS? Might seem strange to use Microsoft's browser but it ought to give a Chrome-like experience while being a bit less resource intensive.
It's now a great chrome substitute
I bought the 2020 MacBook Air, used it for a week, then returned it. It had the core i7, it just wasn't worth it. Every session, it got ridiculously hot for no reason, from really basic things, notes, safari, etc. and that made it throttle. It really could have been the best ultrabook of the year if they had incorporated a proper cooling system.
Same problem, MBA 2020 overheats easily
I have the i3 and it isn't that much better.
Forgive me for saying this, but did do the SMC/PRAM reset ? Its automatically done on the new M1 which is stupid... I Would call that "more restrictive" but that is Apple right?
automate it and "see, we are HELPING you"
(...my ass you are) 😆 Give me the old 2019 MBA anyway where you can MANUALLY press keys to reset SMC.
Max you should team up with OWC and have them make a aftermarket cooling system for the 2020 air
jeremy burton yep I wonder how hard it would be, I think it’s really doable. Of course it should not cost more than the difference of price with a MBP 😅
Vincintosh True. And the thing is in my country, the new Macbook Air vs Macbook Pro 13 touch Bar base model are almost at the same price. But one doesn't have a connected heat sink, while the other one has 😂
ST TV no way 😂
I ordered my new MacBook Air 2020 with i7 and 16 gb ram before I saw the videos about how heat the laptop could be. And I find now it is really fine.
Why not the pro
with those specs, you should be looking at getting a pro
@@miralsehamy7928 already have one, just my last MBA is 7 years old. Need a new one for other works :)
I have the i5 and haven’t had many issues. The fans kicked up maybe a handful of times since I’ve had it to the point where it was really noticeable. But it didn’t slow me down at all. I use it for web browsing, document editing, and TH-cam. I also use it for work (working from home for now) all day. I’m very happy with it.
I bought i3 version and have been having same problems, today went to apple service they confirmed an obvious heat(+ impossible to watch 4k 60 fps at all) issue too and reported accordingly , will send it back to apple tomorrow.
Same!! I returned it. Disappointing performance. It could have been the best laptop of the year...
What’s the point of having a fan if you’re not gonna have it connected to the cpu? And what’s up with the useless heat sink ?? 🙄🙄🙄
HP Spectre 13.3 also does that. www.pcworld.com/article/3084723/hp-spectre-133-laptop-review-thin-doesnt-have-to-mean-compromise.html
From the article “From this picture, we can see what looks like the fins from a heat pipe that is attached to the CPU, but again, the fans don’t directly interface with it“
Intel Y series cpu used in 2020 MBA does not require active colling. And the fan is just for air ventilation (passive cooling). Intel i3 would be a better choice for normal stuffs since it has only 9W TDP compared to 10W TDP in i5/i7 models.
Aman Jaiswal I cant really agree with that, the entire video is trying to prove the MacBook Air is too hot.
Edit: saying its 10W TDP is pretty useless for Intel chips because it always get way higher than that.
thien nguyen my point is to prove connecting the fan to the heat sink is not a necessity. You comment seems to imply that the MacBook Air need a better cooling system, which I also agree on. But the way to a better cooling system, as proven by spectre 13.3, is not just connecting the fan to the heat sink.
thien nguyen True, from photos of the ifixit teardown there seemed to have no other paths for the air to go through due to the battery basically touching the bottom panel, so I would guess the sealing is good. But of course I don’t have equipment to really measure it accurately, I hope someone would test that out. Still, that might be the reason why a lot of laptop makers still choose to go through the hassle of connecting it to the fan while very few laptops don’t.
Thank you for this video and being pretty much the only channel on TH-cam showing an actual honest review about this laptop.
Honesty made me subscribe; keep up the good work Bro.
Can you buy a 10 cm copper heat pipe and attach it with thermal glue on the heatsink and on the metal bit in front of the fan?
The fan blows air inward, not outward, so even attaching a heat pipe to the fan will not do much to exhaust hot air out (as traditional fans do).
@@ethanHat no, the fan takes air from inside the case and throws it outside the computer , it s like a normal fan
I feel the same way about my 2015 MacBook Pro. It gets hot and stays hot. Of course I am coming from a Mac Pro tower, so I am used to machine that runs cooler. Good work here Max.
Madison Prasad I know PCs will get warm/hot. When they stay at 60-70, or more C, that’s an issue. :(
Geez i have 2015mbp also and it overheats even in 360p video calls ffs
MustafaPlayzTr Mine gets hot because of the AMD R7 card mostly. If I use it with the Iris Pro only it’s decent. :(
Mmmh, mine hardly ever gets hot, even when I run calculations in Stata, have 30tabs open, an external display connected and Spotify on. But mine runs with 16GB RAM and 512storage so that might be the problem with yours?
Madison Prasad Correct, 80% of the time. It’s running at 50C.
You are very thorough, very much appreciate your work 👍🏼
I had to return mine because it’s just not good for any one that want to do a little more then what the IPad can :/ the heat problem is real!
But Apple fan Boys will defend it "it's not for" heavy multi tasking", you need a MBP, not a MBA, this is not apples fault"
In which world is watching a TH-cam video or sharing you monitor in zoom a heavy task?
Apple won't chance when these fan boys never critisize apple
@@supercunthunt7756 Sigh, agree. I really wanted the MBA to be my travel companion and spec it out to a i7, 16gb ram but even with that it just feels laggy even with common moderate multi tasking like having 10 tabs on safari plus using page at the same time.
Forget about photoshop, it will just not work well enough without frustration.
Honestly its very disappointing :/
@@supercunthunt7756 agree. I did the same. All I can do now is wait for the next version. I HOPE Apple fix this problem which in 2020 is insane!!
This is the best review.
Other reviewer mostly just go with 'the best' please buy.
Keep it up, this review is the most professional review.
no its not. i just returned my i5 model. its a piece of garbage. I would only recommend the i3 to most people. I only had 5 tabs on safari, spotify/music app, spotify, and mac photos app and discord. this thing was at 80 - 100 degrees constantly. constant stuttering and its just not a great experience. One thing ive been using alot is screensharing and video calling for work due to covid-19. and the macbook air sucks when it comes to screensharing. The first 2 - 5 minutes it screenshares at full quality. but then the temps hit 100 and the boost clocks drop significantly. The screenshare is then running at 5-10fps with the fans blaring at full speed and temps at 100 degrees.
AhmadStpats I agree. My i5 has the same issue especially during video calls. The fans run super loud and I will be returning tomorrow
I returned my MBA 2020 as well. It was supposed to replace my mid-2014 MBA and this old MBA does a better job at cooling itself and does not slow down and stutter like the 2020 one. I tested it on both systems on multitasking like Spotify, Chrome, FIgma (for my design and UI work) and video calls with my screen being shared with my colleagues.
@@lahmyaj i understand what apple is trying to do with the fan, its not a cpu fan but more of a case fan, think of an exhaust fan at the back of a tower computer. Thats what they were going for. HOWEVER, the issues with the air could have easily been fixed with a heatpipe. The case fan design is just a decision they decided to go for, for whatever reason. But now looking at the options when buying a macbook from apple. the macbook air i3 at $900 from select retailers is actually a very good deal. If you think you are future proofing your macbook air by buying the i5 variant, you are making a mistake. Just get the $1,299 macbook pro. Even though its using 8t gen CPUs, the 8th gen CPUS still crush the I5 on the macbook air due to its thermal constraints.
@@julesactually yes the older macbook airs have much better cooling than retina macbook airs. If you are upgrading from the 2014 MBA, go for the 2 thunderbolt port pro.
Wow. Thanks for sharing! I was suposse to get a i5. I will save more money and get the 16 pro. The 13 pro. Its not a good value
When it comes to using the iPad Pro as a secondary screen for the MBA 2020 , would there be a noticeable performance difference between the i3 dual core and i5 quad core?
It does have a difference when performing multiple tasks (which you will be obviously doing if you are using the second screen) but it's not that noticeable.
My 2011 MBP regularly hit 95-100C while editing. I had that machine for 5 years before got a desktop.
Thanks for the video! I would say that if you need a minimum amount of performance, you should not buy this machine. However, if your workflow only includes really basics stuffs, you should consider the air. But I consider that watching 4K video is still basic.
I was gaming Warcraft 3 Reforged on default settings and it got at most to 81°C. I also got the same temperature when I played with an external monitor. I am using the Turbo Boost Switcher for measuring. I have the model with i5 processor and 16 GB memory.
I've just ordered the i5 and 16gb, do you still reccommend after 3 months? Is is getting overheated a lot? I'm watching these videos and worrying so much
@@FeooTubee I think it's not. They're just opens MacBook and testing. When you using on real life you won't realize the heat that much.
the biggest problem for me with the temps being high is that it will destroy it self. it will not last long when it runs at 100 degree under normal use.
berend folkers
Apple geniuses can repair it for $800 by replacing the logic board
Kim Jeyong I don’t see that as a good thing, I might as well buy another laptop for less
@@kimjeyong2474 say that again... But slowly..
It's so much easier to just buy another laptop that runs cooler all the time.
Max my man, you HAVE TO do a series of videos between the i5 MBA and the brand new entry level MBP released today. Based on the atrocious specs, I have a feeling that the MBA might actually be faster than the new MBP lol
This is a chip that can and has been in fanless machines like the 12 inch MacBook. I have the 2020 i5 MacBook Air and for everyday normal tasks the thing never gets above warm and I never hear the fans. If you're using chrome, that thing sucks on all computers.
MercuryLS3 absolutely the same for me
So when i use google chrome Browser, the MBA Will Overheat?
what are your daily tasks ?
I have the i5 air, and it has no problem whatsoever with Firefox. It's a purely chrome problem.
@@winstonmulyawansetiabudi1739 Normal everyday tasks include web browsing, TH-cam, Netflix, office apps, Spotify, messaging, email. Certain apps like Chrome used to cripple my old Macbooks Pros too, ones with "good cooling", the fans used to blast and ram used to be sucked up. Years ago I switched to using Safari and I've been happy ever since, low ram usage, low CPU usage, fast web browsing, secure, pop-ups killed (with Wipr) and much longer battery life vs. chrome. If you're looking to do intense workloads over a long period of time, the MBA is not for you and never has been, there's MBP's for that. I've seen people compare XPS's to MBA's on TH-cam even though the MBA is considerably cheaper and is marketed as an everyday notebook for light tasks, the comparisons should be with a MBP.
Even though Apple put a fan in the 2020 MBA, there's no need for one for regular tasks since this is a low power chip like the ones in discontinued fanless MacBook 12inch.
60 degrees instantly just opening safari. No issues, yep.
Add to this skype, slack, email, word.
And while you're using your computer it constantly overheats, what future proofing we're talking about when the longevity of this computer is at doubt.
Pondo Pondo do you recommend MacBook Pro base model instead. I need it for college work and Netflix lol
@@danielbryan92 it should be able to handle college but video or photo editing might be too much for it. Netflix will also run great.
ChurroFoodSnacks how many years do u think I can get out of it with the my MacBook Air 2020 model
@@danielbryan92 probably 4 years or 5. Max to 6 years. While you browse safari, you can feel the heat sink(which is below the number keys) get warm but nothing too serious to worry about. I'd recommend getting the i5 due to better processing power and it will last you longer on the long run. I did once run Zoom last week since I got it last Saturday and it did get hot and the fan started to kick in but did nothing. I should mention that I wasn't charging the Mac and there were 92+ participants in the meeting so that was one of the reasons. but using it normally it should last you 4-6 years. I hope this helps you decide!
ChurroFoodSnacks is it possible to just get away with the iPad Pro 11 inch. Or will I need to keep my MacBook Air as well in your opinion.
I was getting an i3 for the screen and keyboard, after I saw your overheating video I tested a 2019 mba and the two cores limited the multitasking I could do. The main slowdowns were switching between programs which requires a burst of power, not enough to heat up and throttle.
i actually respect the fact that you tried to answer the difference on the result
Apple be like... introducing iCool
Apple : write that down , write that down
hahahaha yeah, iCool price going to be $ 999,00
ICOOL 1 fan for $999 and 2 fans for $1299.
To those who saying "its normal for New MBA to get that hot and loud when playing 1440p/4K videos", let me tell you something. I once used the "old" Macbook 12 2017 which was fanless, with low powered cpu & super low powered graphic. Guess what? When playing 1440p videos or 4k at 30, the temp never gets to 100. Mind you this Mac is fanless (passively cooling) & has a basic internal graphic card. So, there is no excuse the new Air with so much power & graphics, should be making loud noise and gets hot like crazy when playing 1440/4k videos. Come on...just playing a video, not making a 2 hours 4K video editing. If Apple purposely thermal throttle the Air to seperate it from Pro, just make it fanless in the first place. Why bother putting a fan there without a connected heat sink? And why bother putting a quad core processor? Even if Apple put a 6-core processor in the Air, Apple fans will still defend it blindly and saying "oh its not a pro machine. It should be doing only typing or watch netflix".
P/s: I am not an Apple hater. I owned MBA 2019 before with the same cooling problem and I can tell you I just couldn't stand the heat and noise!
i completely agree. the fact that Max said Chrome reaching 97C with 1 tab playing a 1440p video (or 99C with 1 tab playing 4k60 video) isn't a "normal" use case is just hilarious.
how many people run Chrome with 1 tab only? smfh this channel is a joke sometimes.
The regular Apple customer is not supposed to question the hardware!!
@@derek400004 even my 400 € 6 yrs old lenovo can open 60 tasks and Play HD TH-cam videos with cae simulation simultaneously.
What's the point in buying such an expensive apple MBA when all you should do is typing a letter?
@SuperCunthunt No offence but why are you comparing this to your old Lenovo laptop? This one has a 2K reso screen if I’m not wrong and yours probably has like a 720P or 1080P. I don’t own a Macbook yet but seeing some of these non-logical comparisons is just absurd.
@@samueltan2003 the point he was trying to make is even a 6-year old Lenovo laptop can open 60 tasks and play HD videos on TH-cam simultaneously - which Apple's latest MacBook Air cannot do without reaching 100C. and costs about $1K USD.
Thanks for the review, you're not the only one who mentioned the useless fan. I did already put down an order for an i7-16GB MBA 2020, as the specs showed so much potential even for a mid to heavy load of jobs. I'm glad I canceled my order before it was shipped. I had problems with a lot of windows laptops claiming to be able to finish heavy loads - heat issues.
1:57 Bro, teach me how to watch 4K videos from Safari.🙃 how did you do it? 🤔from Google Chrome get. how about Safari?😅
Bro safari plays 4K, you just have to add an extension to the safari.
Last month I saw this video and I don't trust him about an overheating issue until I bought it myself. For me, just browsing the youtube and 3 safari tabs cause that Macbook Air to get 80c - 90c temperature every time. I don't understand why they don't fix this issue. So I decide to sell it and go get the Macbook Pro even though it's the 8th gen i5. Now I've been using the Macbook Pro for a week and it runs cooler and no fan noise issue anymore.
What kinda tasks were you running on the air? I'm on a tight budget and planning on getting a laptop for basic browsing (multiple tabs open), TH-cam, Netlifx and maybe typing on word or excel and emails. Do you think the air is still okay to run these stuff? Thanks
Naleenaa R Naleenaa R Air is still okay to run more than you want but the problem is it’s thermal. If you okay to work on a hot machine like this so that’s fine but if you want to use it for more than 3-4 years, i think it’s not gonna work fine just like the MacBook Pro.
atikanbenz' I see.. what about zoom calls? Does it get really hot and loud when you're watching Netflix or on TH-cam or having multiple tabs open on safari while having Spotify playing in the background? Is the heat bearable or you can't even touch the keyboard or hear the music over the loud fans spinning? Also, i3 or i5 quad core? Or should I just get an iPad Pro with the keyboard? The MBP is a little too expensive for me
@@naleenaar5442 Yes, it's getting hotter when you do a video conference, the fan will spin so loud but not loud enough to interrupt your speaker. You can still touch the keyboard or place your hand on the palm rest but the heat is getting too much at the under of laptop. It's okay if you place it on a desk but whenever you have to use it on your lap, you'll surely feel the heat. About i3 or i5, I recommend you to get the i3 because it's powerful enough to runs all your stuff. The i5 has more processor but it's not worth paying until you have to run some heavy stuff such as video editing or some lightweight games. I'm not sure where do you live but in my country, the MacBook Pro price is just $100 more than the iPad pro with magic keyboard so I recommend you to get the MacBook Pro because it's suited your usability. But if you want to save that $100, go get the iPad Pro. You'll get a better front-facing camera, long-life battery, and more mobility.
atikanbenz' atikanbenz' wow that's really detailed, thanks man. So back to my question, if I'm gonna be running basic tasks like browsing with multiple apps, music and typing, the Air i3 is good enough? Also, you mentioned that it got overheat when you had only 3 tabs on safari?! Is that for real??
a lot of people suggest the MBA 2020 for students, but i got the i3 version recently and could not stand the heat issue! while watching a prerecorded lecture for 30-45 mins and taking notes using pages, it felt like the laptop was frying itself so i returned it on the 14th day and am waiting to purchase MBP
Seriously!? Oh my. I was about to purchase this. But when i saw some negative comments, maybe il discontinue it. I might get the pro too
I try out the i5 Model with 512GB SSD. I open Safari with 5 tabs (for Research like Wikipedia) one tab was TH-cam. After 2 Mins of watching in 1080p, they Keyboard Starts getting very warm. I will buy the base MBP 2020
Bodo Schafskäse is the base a better option for this overheating?
i 'm thinking to buy i3 macbook air. Can any one tell -what temp does i3 model heats on using 4-6 crome tabs for 2-3 hours.? please.
@@abhinashkumaryadav7262 i don't know the specific temp but whenever i touched it, if i left my finger too long it would have definitely been unbearable
I have a 2019 i5 MBA and had tons of overheating problems and slowdowns, even on the OS alone. I am in a country in where you can't return a product once you bought it, so I tried my best to make it work; my 2014 MBP 13" had worked fine for 5 years. So I tried reinstalling OSX and when I went to the disk utility to format, it said that my SSD had a partition and 5 dependencies, which was really weird. Long story short I deleted all the partitions, created a new one with no dependencies, installed Catalina and my MBA now FLIES. Seriously, I went from not being able to have Lr, Ps and a video playing in the background at the same time, to having all of them open with several other background stuff as well (like mail, Spotify and What'sApp) with no slowdowns and no overheat (unless I push Ps really hard, but that's expected.)
So hey, if you have overheating issues you might as well try this. It will take around an hour of your time but if my theory is correct, those phantom disks dependencies were causing a severe overhead generating too much heat, which is now gone. I'm enjoying my MBA A LOT now and my workflow is waaaaaaay faster too.
You should pop over to MacRoumers and see how we are dropping the temp of the 2018-2020 MBA and getting 15% more power of of it. Its a long thread but starts to get really fun around page 40 forums.macrumors.com/threads/2020-air-heatsink.2227066/page-40
@@lee_carter page 40.. lol :D
I just got a brand new MBA 2020 and after being on a Zoom call in safari for 30 minutes, my fan was incredibly loud and got up to 7000rpm. Would not recommend the MBA for the price you pay
I just bought this MacBook with the i5 today. I’ve been reading mixed reviews saying that some people have heating issues and some don’t. When it arrives and I do some testing on my own, I’ll make sure to edit this comment and say what’s going on. If it has over heating issues, I will return it.
Scott Strain thanks. I’m looking to upgrade my iPad Pro 2018 and hoping to also be able to code on the new air
Please keep us updated 🙌
Pilates Bumps Beyond in your case I’d just get the MacBook Pro mine is the 2018 quad core with two fans. I thought my machine running at 70 at max was hot af when video editing and recording ps4 stuff for my other channel. It’s a shame because since these MacBooks are metal it heat soaks causing the Touch Bar and whole laptop to just be uncomfortable to use once it’s past 60c. It doesn’t matter what you use either Air, Pro 13 15 they all suffer from heat soaking issues because of the metal design.
Looking forward to seeing your update
Im waiting for you
Let’s just be real. That “simple” heat pipe is gotten rid by design, because it would crushed the upcoming MBP sales. The same reason why the lower end MBP 2020 comes with a 8th gen processor, and only the higher end get the 10th gen. Apple is a business company, and in the business side they’re doing great, jerk move but smart.
You said it all.
Luca Fancello
How is a 10th gen processor „for videoediting“?
Those Intel low power CPUs suck in general, even the iGPU is not great.
If you are a video editor then get a Workstation PC with a Ryzen Processor for the same cost as MacBook Air.
Even Macs and Final Cut can’t beat a 12 core workstation for $1500.
The $6000 Mac Pro probably could but value wise it’s as horrible as Apples thermal design.
Martin Sauer
Most people buy it for macos though
nigward
But why.
The only things you can do on MacOS that you can’t do on Windows/Linux is either
1) using Apple only creative Apps which most people don’t need
2) develop Mac OS, iOS Apps with Xcode
3) use features within the eco system
1. is not really a reason since there are more than a dozen alternatives on Windows / Linux
2. well not everyone is developing for iOS and if you want to develop Apps you can do so for Android since it has way higher market share
3. literally only valid point.
Also video editing is no reason to get an overpriced Mac with Final Cut when you can get a big Workstation with 12 cores for the same money which renders your videos even faster than a Mac does (same goes for Ryzen 4000 laptops)
Basically milking their loyal customers dry
I wish some third party make custom heatsink fan heatpipe to solve heating issue of this 2020 MBA
Would you suggest a i3 or i5? I want to keep the mba for a few years. Would love to hear a response
My 2020 i5 fan kicked in really loud for just Zoom and screen record app running. Others were able to hear fan through internal mic
I wanna buy one but i was discouraged to do so because of this hotness issue. Lol
Your video was very helpful in my purchase decision, I purchased the MBA with the i3 las Saturday.
Alberto García Guajardo When it arrives, can u share your experiments with me. butiamwhovian@gmail.com
Hello, I just wanted to ask you a question. I'm giving my brother the 13" MacBook Pro from 2017, because I just can't stand the keyboard and I prefer a lighter computer, much interested in the new MacBook Air. However, on occasion, and not often, I do put videos up on TH-cam from iMovie. And also use apps like, 4k video download and DVD ripper...Am I going about doing the right thing by purchasing the new air? Especially since I seldom use those power boosting apps? I should also note, I always delete files and videos from my computer after I am down with them, or I put them on an external hard drive, so that should should help with keeping enough free space. I am about worried though when it comes to those power boosting apps...Will it significantly slow down, say when I share a file or convert some thing on iMovies or dvd ripper? Please let me know what you think. I really want that new air and not the new pro. But can only afford the i3.
I’m not sure why you would even spend $1000 on a Mac that isn’t suitable for anything beyond basic video watching and web browsing? Why not just get a $300 iPad for that? It’s not okay that a machine at this price can’t handle even light productivity or gaming without the fans deafening you imo
You clearly haven’t heard the mba fan. It’s one btw.
The MacBook Air was designed mainly for basic tasks. I highly doubt that people who buy one are intending on watching 4K 60 video
MacOS, keyboard, bigger screen
Will P why not? Most people consider watching video a pretty basic task (which it is). The Air does include a high resolution screen. I believe if you have the 4K Netflix plan it defaults to that resolution if your connection is good enough to support it
KeraptisBlah the screen is 1080 buddy. You can’t see anything more than 1080p on a macbook air screen.
what program do you use to see the temp/fan speed?
Thanks for this video 😊 Could you please run a test how hot the macbook gets when using geforce now?
Max, is there an after market option to buy a fan that has a heat sync to the CPU?
Jason Ong
I don’t think so since it’s Apple.
Also im pretty sure Apple has some kind of mechanism in their hardware that detects unofficial hardware making the MacBook not booting anymore
If you want it repaired it’s $600
(Was some sarcasm, but I could imagine Apple actually doing this)
Cooling is a big part of these laptops and I don't understand why such big brands as Apple are ignoring it. If that heatsink covering that quad core chip what a bit larger and the Max operating temperature never crossed 70c then this would have been the perfect machine for a lot of people. If by just playing a 4k video video this machine hits 100c, then final cut or any sort of photo editing will burn this thing.
Hey max I would recommend you to replace the stock thermal paste on this mac book air with liquid metal and please make a video about it. That might help you drop 10-20c load temperatures.
bloomfield295
Apple and other big companies are doing this on purpose.
They get money by selling their devices.
Do you think Apple got worth $1 trillion by selling well built devices that last 5 years?
Nonono. Big part of their income are repair costs.
And with that horrible thermal design they either get more repair costs from overheating CPUs or they push their customers to buy more expensive MacBooks.
I have an i5 MacBook Air and use it for school work. Have word, chrome, email open all at once and multi task between all apps.... no issues with my system 🤷♂️
Luis C same here. The fans only ramp up if I’m doing something cpu intensive, which isn’t often. Even when the fans run, it’s not super loud or annoying. The moment I stop doing those tasks the fans stop.
Jay Catterson what kind of intensive things make the fans run loud? Also could you post a vid of the fans running? Im trying to hear the loudness but no one has posted a vid:/
J Y things like photo or video editing, heavy multitasking while doing video calls, stuff like that. It doesn’t happen often on my MacBook Air so I’m not even concerned. As for a video of the fan noise, it just sounds like a computer fan runninh, not loud like a roaring 747 taking off.
Jay Catterson hmm I see thx, do you have the 2020?
Yeah, the thermal problems are way overrated
My first Mac is the 16-in i9 with 16GB. I am very very disappointed bec it suddenly becomes very slow with basic apps open. Sudden high CPU usage even though heat reading is just around 50-60 degrees celcius. The only thing the resolves it is manually maxing the fan speed. But today, the speakers are popping. D:
Hey, great video! Which app do you use to show cpu temperature and fan speed?
I’m extremely disappointed to keep hearing about this heat issue. It’s bad for some and seems not for others. Regardless I’ve spent %$2000 and on an i5 as a gift which hasn’t arrived yet and I am contemplating he not open and return the computer sticking to his current windows system. It’s completely unacceptable to be having to worry about overheating when doing what the air is designed for. Over time this is going to impact the longevity. I’m really torn on what to do.
bar10 ml its fine bro, normal tasks u dont feel any heat. But when i do facetime and work in a word document the bottom has a little warmth on it but its definitly not too hot!
Washeido I really appreciate your response. I know lap tops get warm but the warmth you are feeling is probably a fraction of what’s going on inside. Face Time and word are what it’s designed for. My friend is going to try it out for the 14 day return period and I’m trying to convince him to go for the i pad pro with the new magic keyboard. Granted there are still limitations but from what I’m finding out the pro tablet can pretty much do everything. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. Cheers from London
Thank you for the videos about this subject. I must say that in the Apple store I tried using quite a few native apps next to each other on multiple MBA’s but couldn’t hear the fans kicking in. Nevertheless it’s good to be informed about its limitations.
The Apple Stores are air conditioned. Try using one outside or in a room with a higher temperature. Thermodynamics (?) in play here. Higher ambient temperature means the air being inhaled has less cooling capacity. Humidity may also be a factor as AC units tend to remove a lot of water from the air.
So one factor missing from these tests is a standard air temperature and humidity, something most people can't control. No scientific controls...
Thx bro. I canceled my i5 air.
I think that MBP Basic is the best choice for me.
I see linux tech tips benching it with different cooling solution and discovering that the cpu heatblockhave an issue and no fighting correctly
Removing a little of copper under the heatblock will increase the cooling efficiency
I read many german reviews. They recommend an i3 Model instead of an i5 model because of heat issues. Otherwise they said the new MB Pro would be a better choice than a MB Air with an i5. Can you agree?
Yes. If you buy a MacBook Air, keep it i3.
Hey can u please tell me whether the heating issue is with i3 MAC 2020 too?? Or it is only with i5 model?
Both have heating issues. Which supergenius in Apple thought that not connecting the heatsink to the fan is a brilliant idea?
alex clarke I agree it’s definitely a weird decision but because of it I think the MBA i3 is the best only for light use. Not hardcore but editing, watching, and multitasking
Aniket bhardwaj i have the MBA i3 and I’m not having horrible issues like described in the video. Yes the fan turns on if I play a game for a while but it’s not loud. I would only recommend the i3 for student use. Light work only! No hardcore gaming, editing, and watching.
You basically doubled down on your own conclusion, which is fine. But in my opinion, the core i5 model is still worth it if you can afford that extra $100. Yeah you get a hotter, louder system, but that’s expected when you get a more powerful laptop. Extra performance is always worth it for any task, even for basic productivity tasks and that’s a good thing. Also, people like me are willing to upgrade the performance just to future-proof their computer. You may disagree with that notion, but people still do it and it’s still a good idea.It’s true that Apple could have done better with the cooling system and they should definitely be called out for it, but it shouldn’t be a deal breaker. Also, no body plays Fortnite on a MacBook Air. So why do that pointless test? Overall, I still think TheJuan&Only has the better conclusion.
Totally agree
I had my top spec Air arrive yesterday. I was so stoked. I set it up to restore from my time machine in my bedroom upstairs and I can hear the fan in the kitchen. I’m half an hour into its life. It’s going back tomorrow. WTF.
updated 13" macbook pros with magic keyboard and up to 10th gen intel CPUs came out. cant wait for your review.
What about ram in this case? Should I instead go with an i3 with 16gb ram for more speed? Or is the 8gb more than sufficient for basic use with multiple tabs open?
My MBA on doing nothing mode has use 11.4Gb (10 tabs on chrome, spotify, mail, terminal, messenger)
Changed my mind. Won't buy this one now.
Little more heat better than fragile glass crackful 1200$ Laptop screen 😉
SuliMan 90 Well, you still need to take into consideration other factors for the Mbpro. Like how it’s brighter, more color accurate, better across multi core use. Having good thermals is an important criteria for any computer in general whether it be a pc build, or a laptop of any kind.
@@suliman9058 Lol the macbook air also has a very fragile screen
I have the pretty much base 2019 13 inch and it overheats fast. Like after using iMovie for 30 seconds not a joke. What should I do. You didn’t put a link and I don’t want to open my laptop
Watching this from MacBook Air 2020 Base model. Bought it a few hours ago.. Working perfectly fine for me.
Saranjeet Singh i3?
Have you experienced the same? I am about to buy one too but i am afraid 😟 and might upgrade to a Pro maybe
I don’t think that heat is an issue because the users of this machine won’t run into this issue. I think Apple designed this machine with a thermal limit to prevent people from using this system for loads it was not designed for. I have software engineer and had two use my 2013/14 MacBook Air as a backup to my 2018 maxed our MacBook Pro. There is BARELY a difference. PHP/JavaScript/CSS/HTML5 coding runs smooth. Program startup is slower but not by a lot. I was even thinking of buying another MacBook Air.
Well, my mba 2020 runs at 80 degrees just by watching this video... it's trash im returning it. The fan is useless and loud so...
I can’t even run MS Teams with the camera on. The i3 gets so loud and hot nobody can heat me
What people seem to misunderstand about the air is the use case with heat issues. For the people who say they have no high temps or fans spinning like they hear from these test, that's because you AREN'T performing the tasks that cause the computer to be pushed. That's editing, rendering, heavily threaded applications that run complicated algorithms for longer than 5 seconds.
"Future proofing" means nothing if you can't change the hardware. What's to future proof? It either works, or it doesn't. 2 years down the line, that will not change in any positive way.
Almost every TH-camr has confirmed the Air gets HOT 🥵 so let’s agree there’s a problem with the unit. DON’T BUY THE AIR let Apple fix it. No brainer no sales recall and fix it the heating issue.
Tbh, not many TH-camrs have said it gets hot. Many have said it gets hot during extreme tasks. I see this as a software side issue, like in some versions of iOS 13 where iPhone 7s where heating a lot.
@@chrischaralambous7167 omg yes my iphone 7 get hot while playing light game, and after i updated the os it get slow, i sell it after 6 months of use
Both MacBook Air and MacBook pro overheats.i used to have a MacBook pro and it overheated a lot
Is it possible you got a defective piece. No kidding these things happen. I've seen a lot of tests but your MBA looks a bit odd.
You are my no.1 apple products reviewer in TH-cam worldwide. Salute and respect
Great video ! honest true review as always
Love how you’re advising us when Apple doesn’t do something well with their macbooks or other products. You guys were the only channel who I thought was really able to describe the heating issue to us in detail and a fix around it. Don’t mind the hate from other because there will always be some. Keep up the great work 👍
Hate is publicity and all publicity is good. (:
Sheepish Lord Explain please?
Paying more to future-proof hardware equipment is none-sense. Byu hardware you can afford and need, and that works great as a package. The technology changes to quickly to pay extra for something that will have half the value in few years.
Choosing Mac Air with 4-core is a strange decision.
If you own a laptop that's still butter smooth to use 5 years later then it's called future-proofing.
Why would anyone think 2 core CPU is acceptable in 2020? It's just a marketing strategy to convince people that their product is cheap but if you want to have decent specs and experience with it you'll have to pay extra. The most intersting part is that price difference of 2020 MBA between i3 and i5 is only 100 dollars while what customers should focus on is RAM upgrade instead of CPU cuz 8GB of RAM is the bottleneck of light weight multitasking. And the upgrade to 16GB is much more pricey than 100 dollars.
Back to CPU and overheating issue. I'm not sure what to argue about this. Overheating is indeed exaggerated cuz most people out there doesn't watch 4k videos on a daily basis. Nor would they play games on an ultrabook. But other tasks like multiple word documents and browser tabs won't stress CPU that much if you use quad core i5 instead of i3.
Waldemar Ishibashi It’s not the same price spec for spec.
@@Char1es4k You are right. I think I wasn't direct enough.
I meant paying extra for features someone doesn't need at the time of purchase. It is generally better to buy worse equipment and replace it more often.
I agree with RAM and the rest of your message.
I also do not hate on Apple. I might own one in the future...
@@anthonyharris955 Another one...
Let me change my post again ;)
thanks for this, I agree with you, I cannot understand how people can recommend it...it has an issue, we can't overlook it just because it is an Apple product...they charge a lot of money, we should demand comparable performance...
Very well explained . Even I was in fixed to get an i3 or i5 ? Ur video did helped me find the right one for me.👍
Well we have the option of not using chrome. I use linux and i never use chrome so no problem for me.
Fahim islam
Linux is the best thing that happened in the last decades.
Every 10 year old Laptop can run it and it’s free.
True bro my pc with 2nd gen i3 handles all my Android development like a champ
Fahim islam
And I doubt it gets as hot as the MacBook Air^^
Seem like we have to wait till 2020 macbook pro 14” upgrade to gain more performance over the 2020 macbook air. Much appreciate your support for community and keep up the good work @Max Tech. Hoping to see upcoming videos on macbook air 2020 and macbook pro 14” 2020 when its released.
Hello Max, could you please order the new Macbook Pro with 10th gen I5? Thank you.
I am glad you criticized Apple. One of my old engineering managers once said “It takes about the same effort to do something right as it is to do wrong.” There is no excuse here. Apple, you need to do better.
What’s the name of this fan app? Please, thanks
Tg Fan pro
I ordered MacBook Air i3 with 16 gb ram...I need basic office suites, very light video editing and basic media consumption. The i3 with 16 GB ram will help with running apps. As well, when I have larger video editing (usually on 1080p) then I have my 5,1 Mac Pro to do some heavier lifting. I’m a teacher so the i3 is perfect for teacher/students.
Hello, I'm looking at the 2020 Macbook Air for MS office, Live conferencing and web browsing. Will it overheat?
I remember seeing linus put this macbook to the test while water cooling it to prevent heat throttling and he find out that is not only the heat, the cpu is also caped by software so you will never really use the quad core at is full potential
Totally agreed! I just returned a 2020 Macbook Air with quad-core i5 CPU and 16 GB ram, due to its disappointing performance. While running a tiny NLP task for school homework, it took about 270 seconds to finish, whereas the 2017 12-in Macbook with dual-core i5 and 8GB ram finished the same task in 250 seconds. Seems doubling CPU cores and ram doesn't do any good on 2020 Air.
I am very glad to see such an honest test and review channel on TH-cam where majority of review channels just expose positives and stay kinda in the advertisement zone. It is OK not to recommend a product to everyone. This product seems to have some flaws which definitely be a disappointment for many customers. Great job for warming them as well! Thanks
Could you please tell me the name of the soft he's using for monitoring temperature? Thanks.
I think it is intel power gadget
Meet Choudhary thank you so much for your comment. :)
Yesterday I found out the exact thing
They are Tg Fan pro
iState Menus 6
he replied it to somebody else
he uses intel power gadget only during the stress test
@@meetchoudhary1 Hi! I've downloaded TG Fan and it is what I need, a temp sensor that I can see in the menu bar. Thanks for all. Maybe I will try with iState Menus and will let you know which is better. Thanks again
@@Mauricio-Mau Glad to help you😊😊
Great points and I don’t like any equipment that has to strain to do normal applications and I never misuse or abuse anything so I would not choose this one.❗️👍✅
well done. I wont get the i5 version but the i3 or even wait for the new macbook pro
Separating Sink and Fan without a pipe is a stupid design, isn't it?
深學
That’s why I just use my own built Desktop PCs.
My workstation PC has Ryzen 9 12C/24T processor, 32GB Ram and 4 TB storage.
Total cost was 1300€, almost the same as a MacBook Air...
And under full load max Temp was around 67C.
Those glued together laptops are just pure rip off.
Either they perform bad or if one tiny thing fails Apple charges you $600+ for a repair.
I need a new mac. Which one should i buy if its just for School, netflix, yt etc? :)
Emilie Nielsen mac Book air 2020 i3 8 gb ram 256gb Storage should Be Perfect for you
Get some $500 windows laptop.
No need for the extra cost of a Mac.
Dude you saved me, I completely understand when cpu runs 100c almost all the time it will eventually kill the cpu and overtime will make the future use much slower, anyway I cancelled mac book air and ordered pro!! Thanks cheers!
This could have been a best buy if the fan had been connected to the heatsink. I hope Apple updates it soon, it’s ridiculous to have such thermal design after they did such a good job with the 16” Pro (although since 2016 we’ve seen poor thermals from them)
I have to disagree with this video completely, I own the I5 Model of MBA. I purchased it about 2 weeks after they came out. You don’t buy a MBA for games, or video rendering. I run Visual Studio, Xcode, Microsoft Office, and pages and don’t have this issue. I keep Pages on a separate desktop allows, I have Outlook, 6 or more tabs open in Safari & Xcode open with no issues. The only time I have an issue is when I open an iOS simulator with Xcode. Google Chrome is a resource intensive application, when Safari does the same thing. I have Chrome on the MBA I think I have only had to use it once, cause a Safari wouldn’t render the page correctly. Very rarely do I have a throttling issue, or the computer gets too hot on my lap.
David Mullins and fun run crazy ?
Nunzio They can if the CPU gets hot enough. Only time I hear them is running a simulator or compiling code. Most things I do on the MBA you don’t ever hear them. They never get as loud as my Dell G7 computer.
I TOTALLY AGREE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THIS HATE I OWN ONE MYSELF TOO AND I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. Actually, I've never had any problems with any Apple Mac. My Windows PCs always fail to shut down sometimes, idk why
What kind of futuring proofing is something without a future...The computer will cook itself to death. That MBA has less cooling than a raspberry pi.
coming from a person who uses a MacBook air daily for school. Multitasking, multiple tabs, and my fan has ONLY CAME ON ONCE! I don't believe it overheats like everyone says it does. I use an I3 base model and I love it more then the MacBook Pro I have used in the past.
my computer overheated with downloading SIMS 4 which THE MACBOOK AIR ISNT MADE FOR GAMING. Running tests on a computer that isn't made for the stuff you're doing purposely makes it heat up. it's natural for a computer to heat up!!
As we said. The i3 runs cooler and quieter than the i5 or i7 which have twice then amount of cores. Enjoy your Air!
@@MaxTechOfficial I have an i3 and get the complete opposite to Dakota. I honestly feel people who say "the fan doesn't come on" are literally just not hearing it - it comes on more than you think, you just need to use an app to monitor it. I have done hours (and hours) of testing on my i3 and it gets hot quick!. An easy example is to load ign.com and scroll up and down the webpage. Your CPU temps will go up and up and up. Also, after watching Juan's video he seems to do a lot of loading web pages or apps and then just leaves it to settle before saying "oh the temps do go up but they go back down" - when you load a webpage or app you actually want to navigate it and this would be a far more useful test. In my results, temps rise and rise when actually USING the laptop and navigating the stuff you loaded. Another good example is the news app. Load it, but then actually scroll up and down on it - temps get very hot with this one (no idea why tbh). This is the first Macbook I've ever owned and saved for (which took me a while) and I completely regret buying it. £1000 and they didn't even included a heat pipe/sink!?!? Like why? Can anyone actually explain why this is ever EVER a good idea. Max, please revisit and do another video explaining to people my results (or test them yourself) that even simple browsing can cause high temps - (all was done using Safari)