Apparently, the mantis that "already threw it's weapon" is actually suppose to be like that! Sonic CD's time travel mechanic works on enemies as well - specifically, badniks in the past will always be in perfect condition, present badniks will be in *mostly* good condition, and most future badniks won't be working. The more you know, correct me if I'm wrong on any details.
In the final fever there’s no actual badniks. Sorry meant there’s no badniks for the first part of metallic madness the second part your forced to fight them even if you in the good future
Honestly, your rule about it being okay to defeat bosses makes me think that it's okay to defeat those three lightning bug boys. That's a pretty clear-cut mini-boss fight, even if the bosses in question are just ordinary badniks. Having said that, I appreciate the dedication to an unimpeachable stance! Good luck on the next one.
“Act 2 is just screaming ‘Hey, I’m just like Scrap Brain Act 2!’” Fun fact, all of the Sonic CD rounds except Wacky Workbench are arguable just more colorful versions of Sonic 1 stages. Green Hill -> Palmtree Panic Marble -> Quartz Quadrant Spring Yard -> Collision Chaos Labyrinth -> Tidal Tempest Star Light -> Stardust Speedway Scrap Brain -> Metallic Madness
You know what's weird about the platform stilts? They appear in Mania but not in Metallic Madness, even though it appears as well. They were put in Lava Reef instead. That's not the only mechanic from Metallic Madness that got moved to a different Zone either, the multidirectional tubes were used in Chemical Plant instead.
If those badniks are required to face the boss no matter what, then it should be possible because they aren’t normal enemies that just give points and spawn flowers, they are a part of the boss, so by all means it IS possible
You may be able to trigger the boss spawn through manipulating the trigger itself. One thing to mention, is that the boss spawn is linked to the door, so if you can open the door without killing the enemies you could fight the boss (I'm pretty sure) You could maybe manipulate the game into thinking YOUR death is the enemy's death therefore the door opens the next time you go to it. This is all just a theory tho.
You’re right, about the pc version. It is possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a badnik, just not for the pc version. So you should have said: “is it possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a single badnik? Yes, but only if you have the original for Sega cd.”
Well the PC version is the one released in 1996, so it's a direct port of the Sega CD original, with some performance improvements. That's why the phasing through wall glitch still works.
@@comicfan1324So if we used that logic of yours . The enemies you have to beat to unlock a room in Sonic Rush games count as a type of a boss ? Man , you fell of .
In sonic CD if you run at max speed running into a badnick in any way defeats it even if you didn't attack it so you must have changed to maximum speed when you damage boosted
Another one that's completely impossible: Sonic Heroes, Hero Story/True Ending. Maniac Mansion has a segment where Sonic has to use his homing attack across several enemies to cross a bottomless pit.
I just did this challenge and it is EXTREMELY easy besides the impossible room. Even wacky workbench isn't too bad if you stay low and jump between platforms. Also you can just jump out of the ice from the ww air vents without taking damage, making them very useful.
Some people might argue that Metal Sonic counts as a badnik but if you think about it. Metal slams itself into the wall and is defeated from the impact.
@@morgankasper5227 Dude, it says CAN he, not he WILL. Not everything it possible. (Also the video may be bad in your opinion, but it's not as bad as your spelling).
One other thing you didn't seem to realize about Sonic CD's mechanics is that you can avoid taking damage from the freezers in Wacky Workbench simply by timing a jump right when the ice block you're stuck in hits the ground. Not sure if that would've made it easier to run through this challenge, but it's worth knowing none-the-less.
Wacky Workbench is nowhere near the hell that is Labyrinth, Metropolis, Sandopolis, Wing Fortress, Stardust Speedway CD, Metallic Madness CD, et cetera. Unless you were talking about exactly this type of runs (no destroying badniks)
well im not really surprised you got this far. tbh I was surprised how the run ended. I haven't seen a playthrough of this game before so I didn't know about those 3 enemys and I thought you would beable to make it to the end. also sence you were at the end of the game you didn't have to play any more to find the minimum number of enemys you had to destroy@@GottaBeFrank
3:07 This game makes me motion sickness. These colors are all intertwined with running, jumping and sonic movement around the 360° rings. They didn't have to exaggerate that much to show off the ability of the Sega Genesis CD because it looked like vomiting 😑😑😑😑
Question: Do you prefer the US or JP soundtrack? For this video, the music switches. You used the JP music for background music in Palmtree Panic, and the JP good future music for Collision Chaos, but Tidal Tempest and Quartz Quadrant have their US counterparts for background music and so forth.
I like both, but I prefer the Japanese soundtrack. My choices for music in the video is just picking my favorites from both soundtracks, or picking something that fits that part of the video.
![[OLD] Can You Beat Sonic Lost World WITHOUT Defeating a Badnik?!](/img/n.gif)
Apparently, the mantis that "already threw it's weapon" is actually suppose to be like that!
Sonic CD's time travel mechanic works on enemies as well - specifically, badniks in the past will always be in perfect condition, present badniks will be in *mostly* good condition, and most future badniks won't be working.
The more you know, correct me if I'm wrong on any details.
You are very correct!
For me I think in future, there should different locations for badniks and they be slightly more powerful
It is GMC but future sonic busted them up in the present destroying parts of them making their condition worst
Go to the first place for a long time to get a job and the other hand
In the final fever there’s no actual badniks. Sorry meant there’s no badniks for the first part of metallic madness the second part your forced to fight them even if you in the good future
Honestly, your rule about it being okay to defeat bosses makes me think that it's okay to defeat those three lightning bug boys. That's a pretty clear-cut mini-boss fight, even if the bosses in question are just ordinary badniks. Having said that, I appreciate the dedication to an unimpeachable stance! Good luck on the next one.
Yea it’s a mini boss
… hmm. Food for thought.
“Act 2 is just screaming ‘Hey, I’m just like Scrap Brain Act 2!’”
Fun fact, all of the Sonic CD rounds except Wacky Workbench are arguable just more colorful versions of Sonic 1 stages.
Green Hill -> Palmtree Panic
Marble -> Quartz Quadrant
Spring Yard -> Collision Chaos
Labyrinth -> Tidal Tempest
Star Light -> Stardust Speedway
Scrap Brain -> Metallic Madness
They are derived from Sonic 1, but still find a way to stand out, visually. I think it's great.
GHZ- PPZ
MZ- R2(?)
SYZ-CCZ
LZ-TTZ
SLZ-SSZ
SBZ-MMZ
Quartz Quadrant is more like mystic cave, R2 would be marble
Wacky Workbench is Spring Yard on steroids
About that is the words are like metalic madness 2 m's
"I gave up and fell onto some spikes." Basically me whenever things don't go my way.
Yes finally!
Also tip for Sonic mania without defeating a badnick. Use the partner clip for encore mode in the metal sonic fight phase 1
We burn it to the test!
Billehbawb already did that the Lowest Score Challenge video
Stardust Speedway Act 1????
@@rjrozeTV sssslllhusutuxjyhdhrjdjtjuzjfpppppsotiisjtjdfj
@@rjrozeTV stardust speedway zone act 2
That's devistating, literally the second last room of the entire game...
also dont worry folks, if you get all stones, its still a good ending!
I got a rock outside my house, do I win?
@Ryan Rohlfs yes
@Ryan Rohlfs but I GOT A ALL TIME ROCKS I TAPED CLOCKS ON MY 7 ROCKS AND IM SIRE I WON
Ryan Rohlfs Someawesomechicken was making a joke
You can beat the game without defeating a badnik because you said you need to defeat the bosses I say the Metallic Madness Boss is a boss
Eyyy good to see this out!
Yeah. Now I need to go into hiding before the Sonic 3 requests appear... too late.
Do sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles separate
@@CallumIsAwesome - Why? He may as well do them together. Especially as that was how the game was originally intended.
Well that is a good point
And I've noticed I'm surrounded by my fav youtubers
You know what's weird about the platform stilts? They appear in Mania but not in Metallic Madness, even though it appears as well. They were put in Lava Reef instead. That's not the only mechanic from Metallic Madness that got moved to a different Zone either, the multidirectional tubes were used in Chemical Plant instead.
Sonic cd true pacifist path
They’re already at the surface
And bad ending
This is actually the sonic true genocide
14:29 Labyrinth zone, scrap brain zone act 3, and metropolis zone explained in one sentence
Sandoplis zone 2 marble garden
@@Persac7 carnival night*
@@Persac7Keep Marble Garden out of this !
@@Persac7 marble garden is
easy
@@bovaworld9529 that's also easy
If those badniks are required to face the boss no matter what, then it should be possible because they aren’t normal enemies that just give points and spawn flowers, they are a part of the boss, so by all means it IS possible
4:57 Picture taken moments before disaster
The quartz rock actually fell on the snail and killed it, and you triggered the rovk to fall. Now you have to restart.
s/
Oh yeah. If you go fast enough before time traveling, you are invincible.
You may be able to trigger the boss spawn through manipulating the trigger itself. One thing to mention, is that the boss spawn is linked to the door, so if you can open the door without killing the enemies you could fight the boss (I'm pretty sure)
You could maybe manipulate the game into thinking YOUR death is the enemy's death therefore the door opens the next time you go to it. This is all just a theory tho.
A GAME THEORY!!! :D
You’re right, about the pc version. It is possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a badnik, just not for the pc version. So you should have said: “is it possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a single badnik? Yes, but only if you have the original for Sega cd.”
Well the PC version is the one released in 1996, so it's a direct port of the Sega CD original, with some performance improvements. That's why the phasing through wall glitch still works.
12:55 Rip
12:56 Personally I always saw this as a mini-boss
I usually call it a mini-boss if the music changes for the fight.
@Knuckles Channel 3 & Knuckles
Good point: But I think if killing an enemy is the only to unlock a room, I’d still consider that a mini-boss.
I was wondering what u do there is thought it was dodge and wait
But it was sanic fucks up more enemy's but it's a mini boss
@@GottaBeFrank i have a question. why are you & garrolus64 called luckycoin?
@@comicfan1324So if we used that logic of yours .
The enemies you have to beat to unlock a room in Sonic Rush games count as a type of a boss ?
Man , you fell of .
Sonic CD is actually pretty underrated.
The lightning bugs were obviously a mini boss
In sonic CD if you run at max speed running into a badnick in any way defeats it even if you didn't attack it so you must have changed to maximum speed when you damage boosted
All zones I know that have purple juice:tidal tempest bad future,aquatic ruin bad future
i think i requested this? im not sure but this is awesome!
Aw shit, here we go again
Worst place in the world, Rolling Heights Ballas country.
I ain't represented Grove Street in 5 years
But the Ballas won't give a shit
*gets in bike*
wow, the robot firefly badniks sure have a creative name !
hotaru literal means firefly in japanese, sega got lazy 😔
Still better than Motobug. A bug with a motor on it.
I didn't know Sonic Mania took so many sprites from CD and of course edited them so they're more Mania like until this video.
Thanks for covering this game happy to see it get covered in this challenge can't wait to see what other games will get covered in this challenge
Me: *makes a really bad joke!*
Everyone around me’s thoughts: 14:29
Relatable comment.
Lol
5:32
Did someone say springtrap?
I have an idea! Can you beat (Sonic game of your choice) while defeating every badnik?
Dang,you almost finish the game but because of that stupid trio badnik,you fail.
Well,next challenge,sonic 3&K & sonic mania plus.
Do your best man.
Sonic mania would impossible cuz you must defeat the silver sonics
@@Al-AmeenAdewunmi In Sonic Mania he does. It's the little badniks that Metal Sonic throw at you.
they are part of the miniboss so they dont count
Planters Panic-Easy
Collision Chaos-ok
Tidal Tempest-decent
Quartz Quardrant-semi-hard
Wacky Workbench-HARD
Stardust Speedway-pretty hard
Metallic Madness-INSANE
👌
Not planters panic, palmtree panic
Another one that's completely impossible: Sonic Heroes, Hero Story/True Ending. Maniac Mansion has a segment where Sonic has to use his homing attack across several enemies to cross a bottomless pit.
I just did this challenge and it is EXTREMELY easy besides the impossible room. Even wacky workbench isn't too bad if you stay low and jump between platforms.
Also you can just jump out of the ice from the ww air vents without taking damage, making them very useful.
Me: *reads title*
Also me: bruh in metallic madness zone 3 you have to defeat a badnik to continue
Some people might argue that Metal Sonic counts as a badnik but if you think about it. Metal slams itself into the wall and is defeated from the impact.
Having those three badniks right before the final boss of the game is still the most evil thing Robotnik has ever done.
12:55 That moment when you realize you have to defeat 3 badniks to make the door open to go to the final boss
Do Sonic 3 And Knuckles Without Killing A Badnik
E did it
4:13 Yes perhaps you did hit a badnik just pause at the right time.
When I'm not sure, I look at the score when I start each attempt, then look when I need to. If it changes during the level, then I know to restart.
@@GottaBeFrank well i tried doing the game without doing anything i just jumped and i got to the end somehow
rip, Great video.
(You may be right, the person who designed that level is a-)
no its horible video cause he failed and tahts unrealistic
@@morgankasper5227 Dude, it says CAN he, not he WILL. Not everything it possible. (Also the video may be bad in your opinion, but it's not as bad as your spelling).
a bad person
Whoever designed every casino/carnival levels are a-.
Hotaru: "I'ma end this man's whole career."
Knuckles gets 3 points and Eggman gets 1 point
Him: Windows 95 edition.
My mother when I was a kid: ThAt'S aInChEInT
My good sir, I take personal offense that you called it an unprettier instead of a killswitch
Same move, different name.
@@GottaBeFrank I know, I'm joking😂 Did you see All Out last night?
Yeah. It was pretty good. The 2nd half of the show was amazing!
You're a true Sonic fan, because you know every enemies' names.
One other thing you didn't seem to realize about Sonic CD's mechanics is that you can avoid taking damage from the freezers in Wacky Workbench simply by timing a jump right when the ice block you're stuck in hits the ground. Not sure if that would've made it easier to run through this challenge, but it's worth knowing none-the-less.
Oh shit, that's how that works? I thought it was based on how far you fell.
or you could just mash the button
Cool use of both regional soundtracks! While I prefer our original one overall the American one still has some bangers.
I would have thought it might be possible. I hardly ever hit the things in this game.
I recently did my first good ending run for Sonic CD and I was going for robot generators and, long story short, I hate wacky workbench as well
It is not a fun zone.
Wacky Workbench is definitely the worst zone, especially act one
9:42 and there’s a badnik flying In the tunnel and I destroyed it
It was a hotaru
A "heated" battle with Dr. Eggman. I see what you did there.
😁
"It's *time* to travel back in time"
~knuckles channel 3 & knuckles
Wacky Workbench is nowhere near the hell that is Labyrinth, Metropolis, Sandopolis, Wing Fortress, Stardust Speedway CD, Metallic Madness CD, et cetera. Unless you were talking about exactly this type of runs (no destroying badniks)
If you think about it,Sega was more advanced than Nintendo back then,they had a console that got high quality music 3 years before Nintendo.
Mannnnn this thing needs more likes
Yay! Let's do this again!
The long awaited sequel
Spring traps: All your attempt are belong to us
“then metal sonic kidnaps her...”
*”...anyways.”*
It’s weird how in sonic cd sonic looks like him from sonic mania when he Was under water I don’t know why? but it’s cool
wacky workbench is my favorite zone because of the floor and music
I guess you could say you... Worked that sucker to death.
At least it’s over
FINALLY A NEW NOT DEFEATING A BADNIK VIDEO YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
In sonic mania. The fire fly mod boss can be beaten if you wait the fire fly after a few hits
Creepy sonic be like:
Wait. You dont defeating badink?
It feel like a troll when you have to defeat three badniks before proceed to fight final boss in the game
It is technically possible to beat the game if you're on PC or Mobile versions were even if you do clip through you can still activate the boss
Your videos are like when you order 6 piece chicken nugget but then get 10 (which is a good thing)
This is the greatest compliment I have ever received for my videos. Thank you.
@@GottaBeFrank you are welcome
well look on the bright side! you made it so far in the challenge! and we now know that the minimum you have to detroy is 3!
Yeah. I'm surprised that it was possible to get that far.
well im not really surprised you got this far. tbh I was surprised how the run ended. I haven't seen a playthrough of this game before so I didn't know about those 3 enemys and I thought you would beable to make it to the end. also sence you were at the end of the game you didn't have to play any more to find the minimum number of enemys you had to destroy@@GottaBeFrank
Final I have been waiting for ever.
We're the intro.
Who would've thought that Sonic CD of all games would be imposible without defeating regular enemies .
4:43 make sure you pause before you press the time stamp
Rip for the failed event.
The whole without defeating a badnik series is influenced by Sonic Mania without defeating a badnik
Is... is this a serious comment? I hope not.
You have to watch TAS of this game, it uses level wrap into the boss in last act. So it might be possible
Every TAS I've seen of it shows the Hotaru rooms because the boss will not spawn until they are defeated.
Random guy: u fat
Me:
Guy: u ugly
Me:
Guy: ur forehead is so big that you could land a helicopter on it
Me:
Guy: Wacky Workbe--
Me: **PuLLs OuT AxE**
the lightbulb thingies are needed to defeat in metalic madness so its possible
Animal in Robots:SONIC! help us!
And that's how sonic became metal sonic in the bad future
Even if you beat the game it would still show sonic in the end credits killing badniks
3:07 This game makes me motion sickness. These colors are all intertwined with running, jumping and sonic movement around the 360° rings. They didn't have to exaggerate that much to show off the ability of the Sega Genesis CD because it looked like vomiting 😑😑😑😑
1:28 and here I thought you can cheat. Though you through it all
Question: Do you prefer the US or JP soundtrack? For this video, the music switches. You used the JP music for background music in Palmtree Panic, and the JP good future music for Collision Chaos, but Tidal Tempest and Quartz Quadrant have their US counterparts for background music and so forth.
I like both, but I prefer the Japanese soundtrack. My choices for music in the video is just picking my favorites from both soundtracks, or picking something that fits that part of the video.
@@GottaBeFrank I didn't expect a reply this fast, but that makes sense. I prefer the JP soundtrack too.
@@GottaBeFrank i prefer the us soundtrack for stardust speedway good future
mario=clear pipe
sonic= transparent tube
12:57
When will you do sonic mania?
At least you can beat it with only 3 badniks destroyed
Awesome Video
Technically, when you destroy a Badnik generator, you don't destroy a badnik, so that leaves the Good Future up for grabs!
You destroy all of them at once.
It still count as defeating a badnik
6:20
*what the f happened to the floor*
Where is the next one I've been waiting for months
I wondered about the yellow o, realized it was a reference to the sonic rings
Yeah. I thought it would look better than the normal text.
Beating Sonic games without paying an invoice for Eggmans robots
Can't imagine what your face must've looked like when you got to the end lol
I knew it would be a run-ender, but I wanted to try and see if I could bypass that. It was worth a shot.
1:11 this is the first time I have ever seen the save screen of a version of sonic cd that isn't the 2011 remaster...
Yeah. It really shows its age.
5:32 am I the only one who imagined the spring being springtrap’s hand? (FNAF 3)
Will sonic 3 be sonic 3 and knuckles?
Haven't decided yet.
12:56 sonic exe game over music makes sense with this part
But... that is from Sonic CD's US soundtrack.
@@GottaBeFrank I know but it's also from that as well. Good job BTW