When Sonic Generations Came to the 3DS
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:33 Dimps/Sonic On 3DS
05:28 The Low Production Values
07:47 The Mediocre Mechanics
11:03 The Slapdash Level Design/Stage Choices
15:56 What Could Have Been
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Classic Sonic getting the homing attack right as they ran out of good level design is the funniest shit I've never noticed
Lmfaoooooo
The last two classic levels are amazing.
@@pinksemporium3175 You mean those in The Classic Era or the Modern Era, 'Cause i loved both Water Palace And Tropical Resort a lot!!!
@@ZackMaster98
Modern era.
@@pinksemporium3175 Yeah, that's what i thought, i loved these levels, Specially Tropical Resort!!!
Sonic Generations 3DS is a pretty decent game. I still prefer the console and PC version but I like the stages from the 3DS version well enough and the boss choices were interesting.
It's the only other time they acknowledged Mushroom Hill so I have to give it credit for that
@@HarvestHollows SPOILERS: it was also in the two live action sonic movies
@@HarvestHollows They acknowledged it in Sonic heroes when Knuckles was talking about mushroom forests in his Island
For me it was disappointing as fuck. I remember I was so excited when I got it because had the PC version but I couldn't play it because my laptop back then could barely run it. I thought at least I'd get to experience it in 3ds as a nice portable Sonic platformer but it really let me down how cheap it was. And the fact that both Sonics were 2D was soo lame. Sonic Colors did a way better job at making you feel like you kinda had a console Sonic game on the go.
@@Kaplykos I mean I get it ,it's your opinion but saying colors did it better is a no for me what did you expect it's a hand held if you felt that you was getting a console experience handheld feel you have put your expectations to high especially knowing this is sega . The 3ds was better than colors ds in ways and colors was aswell both had pros and cons the 3ds couldn't handle 3D esc sonic levels look at lost world that's literally a mario game generations is a High speed esc game you can't get made at the 3ds for having both 2d you should be mad at the console versions for that I even had some idiot call the game trash as a whole just because it didn't come out on the psp regardless hell nowadays with the help of redreem and Aethersx2 you can play dreamcast games and ps2 games at optimal/full speed on your phones 9/10 your phone is more powerful than the base 3ds and psp combined just goes to show the 3ds is weak as shit they did good on the levels not amazing but good enough to play .
I read an interview somewhere where they asked Iizuka why this "Handheld" celebration didn't have gameboy advance or Game Gear games represented, iizuka chuckled and said something like "The game gear games? Those are too old"
Right. So best replace them with something more trendy and new like...Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1, 1991. Sigh.
It’s also referenced right in the very video, around 12:50
@@ExtraordinaryFate ah, as a visual. Oops. Only tend to listen to video's.
Man... I REEALLY don't like Iizuka
But everyone knows Green Hill zone,thats the difference
Amen to that, everyone knows green hill zone, and we don't want to upset them with new or different things. Let's shove in Green Hill Zone in all Sonic games from now on and don't upset people with unique and interesting concepts.
And thus the 2010 era of Sonic truly began.
The online race mode was incredible back in the day. It was so cool how you got to not only compete with others, but get their player card with their miis, game records, how long they've been a Sonic fan, and their favorite characters and games.
Also Dimps nailed Classic Sonic's physics better than Sonic Team.
And now nobody plays the online, which makes me sad.
Didn't Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal and Fire and Ice had a similar online race mode?
@@smashmaster521 wtf are you on about? It takes 10 seconds to find a match
@@simplecovenant bro wdym
I don't think Dimps' reputation in the fanbase is as negative as you say, the Advance trilogy and the Rush trilogy are still considered "underrated masterpieces" by many fans, fans that also begs for their Remasters as well
I think the only games made by Dimps that everyone universally hates is Sonic 4 Ep.1, and Lost World 3DS to some extent
Even LW 3DS has its fans. Sure Dimps had their weaknesses, like certain level design tropes, but they had a ton of strengths too. I feel like most people only remember them for Sonic 4 since that was their only console game that wasn't overshadowed by a bigger HD version (even though it was supposed to be a mobile game).
@@Legoluigi26 I imagined those fans existed, that's why I said "to some extent", but I don't enjoy playing most of Dimps' games because of their level design philosophy, but I still appreciate how much they tried to change the regular 2D formula with innovative mechanics
Like Amy in Advance 1, the pre-boost in 2, partner system in 3, the Boost in Rush, the pirate atmosphere in Rush Adventure, and better writing in Colors, even their different takes on Generations and Lost World are kinda neat
I do not enjoy a single Sonic game made by DIMPS.
I agree with you that their reputation isn't as negative as you say. Everywhere I go, people love the DIMPS games. I've always felt like the minority in disliking them. If there really are other DIMPS dislikers out there, please take me to them, I want to return to my people.
I'm not just talking about Sonic 4 episode 1 either. Don't like the Advance games. Don't like Rush. Don't like Sonic 4 episode 2. Don't even like Pocket Adventure. If it's Sonic the Hedgehog and it's made by DIMPS, I want absolutely nothing to do with it.
@@mjc0961 ...wait, DIMPS made the Sonic game on NeoGeo Pocket Color, too!? Wasn't aware of that.
@@DragoonMS Not exactly; Pocket Adventure actually predates Dimps being founded, but the staff there previously worked at SNK*, where some of them worked on Pocket Adventure, and I imagine that Sega chose Dimps to develop Sonic Advance for that reason.
*Dimps' founding members also included former Capcom staff, just so we're clear.
I still enjoy this version of Generations a lot even if I do think the console version is better. That being said, I do agree it was horribly missed potential that they didn't lean more into that handheld history thing, so it was definitely interesting to see the results of that poll you made for what people thought should represent the handheld games in this. I will say that even though Radical Highway is a Shadow stage, its still cool having it in Generations, especially for the Rival Battle against Shadow because it makes it a reference to the intro cutscene for Sonic Adventure 2: Battle which took place there.
Sonic colour ds still my favorite
I like imagining both Generations games happening in one story, in order of zones and such
I mean I can’t just pretend the amazing Big Arm battle isn’t there lolll
I actually played the 3ds version first, and while it wasn't mindblowing, it was still a good time for what it was, and I liked how it brought back levels from the handheld games for the boost era, even if I never played rush or colors (either version). I suppose it also helped that I played it BEFORE the PC version, so I wasn't comparing it to that during my playthrough.
Also, the time eater is legitimately a decent final boss fight in the 3ds version. It actually feels like a BOSS FIGHT where you have to actively dodge large, highly-telegraphed attacks rather than chasing it through an endless tunnel while it poots out hotboxes you have to avoid while your friends yell about the homing shots (they could at least have some variety in their warnings, or at least not always use the term "homing shot"). Overall, nothing to write home about, but it's still kinda funny that the oft-forgotten 3ds port has a significantly better final boss fight than the otherwise superior console/pc version.
Ikr, just like Colors, where the DS Ver. Has A Better Final Boss and Also A Secret True Boss than the Wii Ver.!!!
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ive actually never beaten time eater as a kid for years on the ds, he would just spam his attacks and i would lose because i would run out of rings
Apparently this game had _6 months_ of development time, which explains a lot. That's geinuinly stunning in every manner. For as lackluster as this game sort of is, I respect Dimps a lot for managing to make this game as is.
Wow that's pretty crazy
There was a psp version that was cancelled
@@champion1859 To be fair, Devil May Cry 2 was also developed in 6 months, and while it's absolutely terrible, it could have been *even worse.*
I feel like the newfound hatred for Dimps is a relatively recent development. Prior the Sonic 4: Episode 1, Dimps was referred by much of the fanbase, and their output on GBA and DS was even enjoyed by critics!
Yeah Sonic Four really soured peoples expectations with Dimps despite how absolutely godlike they were with the GBA and DS games
@@dantemustdie00and Sonic 4 is just mediocre. There is way worse
Going with idea of the all handheld version of Gens 3DS
I would really like a stage based off of Tails Adventure, Like I know Sonic never actually went there, but I think that it is such a unique and overlooked aspect of Sonic's history that I think it kinda deserves a level
Why not a bonus unlockable tails stage?
Imagine someone making a whole Sonic Generations 2 with those popular votes from each of the consoles. I would love to see that.
This game was one of the only 3DS games I had back in the day, so I remember playing it a ton but eventually getting insanely bored of it. It’s still not bad at all though, and certainly much better than Lost World 3DS
Lost World 3DS started with a decent amount of promise. The controls are WAY better than the Wii U version, and Sonic is actually pretty fun to control, but then you get a few worlds in and the level design shits the bed so hard that it loses all of the potential it had to be a good game.
That snowball level is infamous for very good reason.
@@huntercrunch94 I actually think the snowball level is my only hated level in that game
i actually preferred the Lost world 3DS version
@@StevenJones851 SAME!
@@Sonderasf Agreed! It actally feels like a true 3D handheld Sonic game.
I would've loved:
- Ice Mountain from Advance since Generations was lacking in ice stages
- Techno Base from Advance 2 for its digital theme
- Mirage Road from Rush for its Egypt theme
- Sky Babylon from Rush Adventure because it's my fav stage in the game
- Asteroid Coaster was perfectly climactic
Nah imo Water Palace was definitely the right choice for Rush. Back 2 Back is incredibly iconic
I agree with Sky Babylon though
absolutely sky babylon, that stage is iconic. The defining stage of rush adventure
What about Advance 3? Me personally, I would've picked Route 99, Twinkle Snow, Cyber Track, or Chaos Angel.
Sky babylon would be quite late into generations so that makes sense, it's a cool level
I actually loved this game as a kid. I remember trying to get the fastest speed on radical highway act 2 for days on end. I also got a lot of mileage out of the online mode where you would race against another player. If I remember correctly, it was a pretty clean multiplayer experience
i agreed this version was very fun
Got a lot of fond memories with this version as it was among the first six games I got for my 3DS, especially once I got hooked on the online multiplayer, and it ended up being my first exposure to parts of the Adventure games. That said, despite my fondness for the game, which I made clear in the server, I really would've preferred some actual handheld representation worth a damn, especially after having played all of them. The discussion of what we could've had was pretty fun, and I hope that someone can make a game that pays tribute to Sonic's handheld legacy.
Sonic Generations was my second 3DS game.
Wait Generations 3DS had online multiplayer?!
@@skibot9974 Yes. I played a fair amount of it.
@@smashmaster521 how’d I miss that as a kid
Generations was pretty fun on 3DS
For Gens 3D, I think I’d like a Green Hill with heavy Bridge Zone elements, perhaps more realized in the Act 2 of the game.
And add some of Jungle Zone's vines and logs on the top route.
Fun fact in special stage 1, you can press and hold boost the entire time without ever changing directions and you will complete the special stage
I enjoyed them game a lot.
And your final segment on how to improve the game with stage choices was a really nice addition!!
I would've picked machine labyrinth for the rush adventure stage being an interesting idea with some cool gimick's to mess about with and the great music in the original. For colours i agree that asteroid coaster is the best stage for having it last as it feels like a dangerous environment that is a real challenge to get through in both versions with the roller coaster sections being a great set-piece to use. Finally for rush Leaf storm is a great opening level to introduce people to the mechanics with a great sense of speed with a outstanding music track in the form of "Right There Ride On".( Also minor note on the form for the rush stage roster leaf storm is named leaf forest which i don't know if that was localisation or an error on J's part.)
Dude, it has been a while since I last watched. But! You sound so mature and also happy. Glad to be back!
Great work as always and looking good man it's nice when we get to see you in your videos
One thing I really like about this version of Generations are the 3d models in the text cutscenes. They look great
I admit the 3DS game could've been better, giving Sonic Heroes their own stage instead of just using menu theme music, special stages and Egg Emperor boss. They could've evened out the Adventure and Modern era since they only have 2 stages each and add the Game Gear Games.
I still love the 3DS versions of Casino Night Zone and Emerald Coast. The Rival Battles being fought in Casino Night, Radical Highway and Tropical Resort was a lazy decision too, feeling more like a Time Attack. Stardust Speedway, Final Rush and Crisis City would've looked cool on the 3DS.
Happy to hear a new video is coming soon! I really like these Sonic videos and I have yet to check out your other content but I'm definitely going to now! You cover other games I care about so I won't just stick around for the sonic content which I mostly had been. I still kinda hope we get a handheld generations like game but that's not happening...officially I'm sure someone will do something like that one day if it doesn't already exist and plus even if it doesn't I can probably find a lot of hand held stages modded in the normal generations because modding is popular there.
20:27 "It's pretty clear that Blaze should be the rival."
Well, uh, I wanted Johnny. Blaze is already an NPC in the console version so I think making her a rival would be inconsistent. PLUS, he'd be the most fitting rival for a race rival battle
Facts
J’s reviews: ”we aren’t here to talk about anything exciting”
*Shows a bandit raccoon*
*“You sly cooper…”*
New fans: "huh this is Sonic's generations"
Old fans: "this is sonic rush 4??"
I won't lie, I am happy to see you branching into different topics and I've loved watching your videos on Spider-Man, TMNT, Ratchet & Clank, Megaman X and even the RE series, but I still got all giddy and excited when I saw this video on my notifications! You're right though, good things come to those who wait, and I'm excited for this journey to continue, but hope you'll enjoy making these Sonic videos without having to sacrifice other projects!
This is a completely different game from the console version and I still have to get it.
Was JUST watching a video of yours (Sonic Riders to be exact) LMAO great work with all your uploads!!!
The stand out for 3ds was the final boss for sure. That time eater fight was so fun and exciting! Generations on console only mildly irritated me with its stages but only cause they all felt flooded with "lush first stages / plant life stages" and "urban city stages". They could have mixed it up with say, Lost world for the adventure stage, or aquarium park for the colors stage. Just my opinions though, id even hate to say goodbye to speed highway but city escape is so iconic.
This is the version I grew up with! I remember being so disappointed when I found out it wasn't a 3d platformer on 3ds. I only owned Nintendo consoles but Gens was the first game to make me want to own a non Nintendo console.
Did you like 3DS Lost World?
@@bortverde No I actually never played that one until 3 years ago and it sucks lmao. Controls are better than Wii U but level design is not very good imo
I've ony played Rush and Colors DS and of those two I've only played Rush once. I love Asteroid Coaster from DS and I'm glad you and your patrons picked it. It's my favorite stage in Colors, and a solid way to end that game and to see it re-done in Generations 3DS would have made me grin.
Gens 3DS was my first Sonic Game, despite already being a sonic fan somehow. I popped it into my 3DS a while back and it notified me that I’ve completed the story 30 times since 2011. Love the game to death.
17:31 That was one of the easiest final bosses I've ever encountered! What in the world made you think this was difficult?
Idk man. That boss fight looks really difficult
I just played the final boss of Sonic Generations on the 3DS and I can confidently say that you are DEAD WRONG. That boss was really difficult to beat and a lot of fun.
I’m so excited for more sonic content!!! Also will you be talking about sonic and Mario at the Olympics as one of the spin-off videos?
Heres my take on a better 3DS Gens
Classic Era:
Sonic 1GG: Green Hill - I would choose Bridge because its more iconic in the GG version but definitly the "promotional material" argument is more heavy. Act 2 could use a more cavern and mountain design like the OG Act 2 in the game.
Sonic Chaos: Gigalopolis - Why Chaos instead of Sonic 2GG? Because I think it would be more sensical instead of another "console port" even tho it really isnt, besides Chaos in Japan is called "Sonic & Tails", so for the third zone been from "Sonic & Tails 2" which IS Triple Trouble JP name, it would make more sense as an exclusive duology for the GG. Gigalopolis because it makes a nice parallel to Chemical Plant and Casino Night in the OG games, which are city levels, and definitly it one of the most iconic next to Sleeping Egg.
Sonic Triple Trouble: Sunset Park - Ofc it is and you know why
Rival: Fang on Subspace - Yeah same reason as you said.
Boss: Blast Final Boss on Silver Castle - If we are gonna have a Blast mention in the game, IMO this boss is more iconic than the Chaos one, simply because its WAY MORE HARDER and frustating.
Dreamcast/GBA Era
All zones you mentioned fit perfectly.
Rival: Gemerl on Route 99 - Why Gemerl instead of Emerl? Because Emerl is dead, and would be a hard punch seen him again. Also using Route 99 here would be perfect since the Advance 3 zone would be Chaos Angel, and Route 99 fits with the "Rival battles mentioning the Rivals games"
Boss: Ultimate Gemerl - Yes repeating Gemerl twice, but like I said, we cant use Emerl. Why not another Eggman fight? Because like in console and 3DS, he aint the second boss, it cant be him, he only appears in the third one. I thought of using Mecha Knuckles or just Knuckles himself from Advance 2, but clearly the second boss needs to be something impactfull like Perfect Chaos and Biolizard, so Ultimate Gemerl. Idk if its going to be on Chaos Angel or Exception, because how would Sonic walk in Exception Zone if theres no ground?
Modern Era
All zones fit perfectly, Rivals and Boss too
I like the idea of the revamped stage order here
I personally would have the stages be:
- Green Hill (GG)
- Sky High
- Giga(lo)polis
- Rival vs. Fang, and a boss against Atomic Destroyer's boss, taking 10 hits as opposed to the usual 8.
- Secret Base
- Music Plant
- Chaos Angel
- Rival vs. Emerl, and a boss against the Egg Gravity.
- Huge Crisis
- Blizzard Peaks
- Asteroid Coaster
- Rival vs. Blaze, and a boss against Ghost Titan, renamed "Egg Titan" as Whisker isn't the one controlling it; it's Eggman himself.
Yes! A new sonic video, I had to immediately drop everything and watch, it felt like it had been generations since I’ve seen you, not that I hated your other videos but just that I love sonic.
Also I think I’m the only one to vote for a sonic blast stage!
I find it funny and ironic that Sonic Rush got representation in the 3DS version but not Sonic Rush Adventure
As someone who grew up with Generations 3DS and are recently replaying, I got say that while I see what you mean, I still thoroughly love Generations 3DS. I can definitely see its flaws but part of me still sees it through the lens of that 6 y/o on his birthday going into GameStop with his dad, getting Sonic Generations 3DS on his birthday (which so happened to be Jun. 23) and playing the hell outta that game.
I think the main reason they didn’t compress the cutscenes is because the stages are different so a lot of them wouldn’t make a lot of sense
So glad you did a "what could have been" segment
During quarantine when I was bored out of my mind, I made a fanmade ending credits staff roll for a Sonic Generations handheld version, and I chose Bridge Zone, Gimmick Mountain, Gigapolis (I never played Chaos, TT, or Blast, so I just sort of picked a random one.) Casino Paradise, Music Park, Twinkle Snow, Water Palace, Pirates Island and Asteroid Coaster. You can image while watching this that I was so happy to see that my stage choices weren't far off from everyone else's!
Doing a sort of "recasting" for Sonic Generations' levels, boss fights, and characters is something I've luckily already thought of and done in the past, so it was pretty easy for my to pick my answers for the form. Anyway, these were my picks and the rationale behind them.
Game Gear Era
Sonic 1 - Bridge Zone: This would immediately inform the player that what they're about to play is going to be similar to the console experience, but different in such a cool way. It's the perfect introduction.
Sonic 2 - Underground Zone: Something about this zone always struck me as the perfect second stage for a Sonic game(yes, I know this is the first in this game).
Sonic Chaos - Sleeping Egg Zone: It has such a uniquely surreal aesthetic for a Sonic game, and Chaos could use the representation.
Rival Fight - Fang/Nack: As was said, he's something different, plus he was a major player in Triple Trouble and this would be a good excuse to use his hoverbike, the Marvelous Queen.
Boss Fight - Marve-shupopolous-gou(aka the train): It's an excuse to hear that awesome music, and there's nothing else like Sunset Park Zone in the rest of the series.
Gameboy Advance Era
Sonic Advance 1 - Secret Base Zone: The music and look are both especially stand-out for this game.
Sonic Advance 2 - Music Plant Zone: C'mon, what do I even need to say here?
Sonic Advance 3 - Chaos Angel Zone: I haven't played the game yet myself, but I'd agree that it feels like a good, climactic choice from what I've seen of it.
Rival Fight - Emerl: An easy opportunity for Battle representation that leads in to Sonic Advance 3, but I haven't played Battle, so this fight would take place... wherever the most fitting location is in Sonic Battle for a fight/race against Emerl.
Boss Fight - G-Merl: I'm picking this over an Eggman fight for more character representation. A recreation of the Super Sonic fight(without Super Sonic) makes the most sense to me.
DS Era
Sonic Rush - Water Palace: Generations 3DS already had the right idea here, and it means multiple zones can be shown for this game(you'll see what I mean in a moment).
Sonic Rush Adventure - Haunted Ship: Capitalizing on the pirate theming alongside ghosts seems like a good idea here.
Sonic Colors - Asteroid Coaster: Having a more climactic finish over Planet Wisp or Tropical Resort is a must for me, another plus being the DS exclusive features.
Rival Fight - Blaze: This is what I meant about Zone representation because aside from being the obvious choice, this also means showing off Dead Line.
Boss Fight - Nega Mother Wisp: This is to keep up with my theme of holding off on Eggman until the end, and I don't think there are any other non-Eggman bosses in this era iconic enough to take this spot.
On a final note, I want to take an idea I heard from JebTube(so credit goes to him for a lot of this) to give this game a dedicated final level. Maybe this issue has already been rectified with Asteroid Coaster, but even so, the final era being given a climactic finish is good in its own right, and I think it would be neat for Generations to have a new, realized zone for its ending. I'm not really sure exactly what this would be, but I'm thinking maybe the bulk of it would be the purple clock space with stage gimmicks from all the previous stages(with a new coat of paint based on the visual design of the purple clock space) which could be broken up by white space where you switch between modern and classic Sonic with hourglasses like in Sonic Unleashed. This stage idea would also apply to the console game, using gimmicks from the stage set in that game.
My proposal for a climax stage was Time Vortex which has you go through parts of several different zones. Also it's likely the reason we didn't get a stage from Rush Adventure is because it happened in Blaze's World. I don't think Colors really needed to be represented in Generations & really I thought both versions of Generations were halfbaked games. Imagine if Tails & Knuckles were playable alternatives to Classic Sonic, while Shadow & Blaze were unlockable alternatives to playing as Modern Sonic.
Oh my, I have so many memories on the sonic colors 3ds port, it was amazing to be honest with you.
The 3DS version of Generations was the one I grew up with.
At the time I didn't know much about Sonic's history or what games he was in, I just saw Sonic, played through a bunch of levels and thought they were original to the game not even aware that it was made for Sonic's anniversary. For a while I wasn't able to be the Time Eater but that's because I was *extremely* impatient and was paying attention to what the boss was doing.
Even though it would probably be nice to include Fang and Blaze in the 3DS version, I feel that what we got almost perfectly represented Sonic Rivals as each of the rivals from that game are the same ones present in Generations even down to using their own abilities to try and stop the player from passing them or continuing.
What I would've preferred is if each stage you raced a rival in was from either of the Sonic Rivals games remixed and modified to fit both Classic and Modern Sonic's gameplay as the physics for both games are drastically different from Sonic Rivals 1&2.
However, there might be some evidence that some bits and pieces of 3DS version of Generations could potentially be the scrapped PSP version of Generations as the model quality is way too low for 3DS and looks like something that would be seen in the Sonic Rivals series on top of the fact a disk containing some data from that scrapped version as a image of what looks like an early version of Mushroom Hill. (It should be noted that a good portion of the data on the same disk was reported to be heavily damaged and a good portion of data leftover was removed leaving behind a select few screenshots, one of them being an early look at Mushroom Hill.)
The models used in cutscenes and the results screen seem to fit more with other 3DS games at the time, still being low poly but not to the point to where it looks off although there's a bit of a goof with Classic Sonic's model.
If you were to look at footage of Generations 3DS without the blurry resolution or had Classic Sonic's models on hand and paid close attention to the bottom of Classic Sonic's shoes you'll notice that the texture for them is the same as Modern Sonic's which doesn't make sense given Classic Sonic's shoes never had actual soles on the bottom of them.
You really do sound like a more energetic Cosmonaut Variety Hour, and I love it. As he reviews mainly movies and you review video games, it creates a real nice contrast
Loved the ending discussion of theoretical handheld generations. I had many similar choices to the patrons and actually made a document a while back listing every single stage I would want from each of the handheld games. I think the only ones not mentioned were for mecha green hill zone from chaos. As for bosses, the ones I would have wanted for the classic era would have been either final bosses from pocket adventure or the Battle Kuku commander as both are more obscure games (also Tails Adventure is a Gamegear game). We were in agreement to have Knack as a rival. For Adventure, we agreed on having Emerl and Gemerl although I was not comfortable having both as bosses since I thought they were the same character at the time so I also thought of Imperator IX from Dark Brotherhood as a boss to fit with the theme of having the middle boss not be eggman. Finally, for the modern era I want to say Blaze was probably the best choice and makes so much sense. I personally chose Johnny as the rival. The boss I went with was the Egg Wizard from Sonic Rush Adventure. If I had to fit your criteria of only having bosses from the represented games, the choice of the Sonic Chaos boss would be good, although I personally think it is not that intimidating. Maybe the three mechs from triple trouble too? Also, part of me thought classic knuckles would be a good boss originally as the first rival battle, even though Knack is better.
God you just brought back some nostalgic memories. I loved this game and played it for 2 months same with lost world, I respect your opinion though and see where you’re coming from. I’m going to save this to my nostalgia playlist. DON’T DELETE IT
this was the very first game i got for my newly obtained 3ds back when i was 5, and i really enjoyed it for what it was because back then i thought that sonic was a racing franchise (due to the very first sonic game i ever played being sonic and sega all stars racing) and not knowing of the past sonic games
looking back on this now, i can see why i enjoyed it, but i can also see how this can be improved in many ways that could have made the experience better for both new and old sonic fans at the time
very interesting vid, especially the "what could have been" part, i always thought it be neat for console generations to just have a 4th era for handheld that way the game can be alittle longer with extra content. but this idea seems alot more fitting
I really loved the whole section where you thought of different levels that have been placed in this version. Reminds me of a thought I've always had which I'll leave here if anyone wants to humor me. What if in some alternate reality, in the long wait between Forces and Frontiers, Sega decided to add an entire new era to Generations as DLC? The three games featured would be Sonic Lost World, Sonic Mania, and Sonic Forces. What levels do you think would be the best to feature in the hypothetical DLC pack?
I'd say it would be
- either Silent Forest (Zone 2) or Des(s)ert Ruins (Zone 2) for their originality
- Studiopolis for Mania because the level is so iconic
- Metropolitan Highway / Null Space for Forces because the setting looks cool (and Sunset Height looks a bit too much like Crisis City)
- Infinite for the rival
- Heavy/Phantom King for the boss
@@phil2160 Agree!!!
11:28 Actually in console Generations you unlock the homing attack JUST for getting all red rings in classic planet wisp
skidaddle skidoodle your idea will be a fangame in a couple of years hopefully. Especially love the idea of different rival fights
3:29 I personally can't wait for that story, given how you often use ace attorney music in your videos with occaisional footage from the trilogy here and there😉
This game was the first Sonic game I finally beat, so I remember it fondly.
I still have a lot of nostalgia for generations 3DS (the first sonic game I owned besides a pirated version of sonic heroes lol) but I respect that being a homage to handheld sonic history would have been a better direction for the game
On the topic of handheld ports, I wish the mobile port of Unleashed, albeit with extra content, came to the DS.
Gave this game to a friend, wasn't that into it but I do like that it has different level choices, as well as different bossfights
I think your picks for the stage, rival and boss roaster were perfect, but I would pick the Rush era boss to be Egg King (the fake final boss from rush).
The Bomber Barbara remix it could have... Oh, and it's also a very cool and epic fight in my opinion.
That mention of Sunset park reminded me, I'm pretty sure "The Inlet" from Sonic 06 is a remix of Sunset Park act 3. It even has a game gear amen break.
weird that no mention about Time Eater's boss battle in 3DS, which is agreed by many tht is much better than it's main counterpart, very good video but still would love to see your impressions and comparison in this matter
I just have finished Generatiosn for the 3DS a few days ago, this will be interesting to watch
Also, IMO, the game feels pretty solid and the music is a banger as always. I didn't knew about the reference to old ds sonic games at the time i finished it, but it was still enjoyable. Also, the Bosses and it's music where so good i could replay them again and again
I would personally pick Sky Babylon for the Rush Adventure stage mainly because it's like an alternate Sky Sanctuary zone and they could do some cool things with the fire like it was done in Rush Adventure. Also, the music is legendary so there's that. 😂
Woah man, all I wanted in generations 3ds was faithful 3d recreations of the 2d zones and that's what I got. So, so good!
8:38 But on 3DS you can do the "accel spinatack", just jump and roll and jump and roll again, everytime you roll you will get more momentum and go faster
Personally, this is more fun than the broken spindash simply because momentum exists, combine that with Time Attack and the online versus that encourage speedrun, and it ends up being a much more fun formula than on console.
If the game had more levels and a better level design (I hate Radical Highway), even with the other problems, it would be a much better game than the console version in my opinion
I actually really love this game! All your points are hella valid but I honestly find the more neutered gameplay just a lot more fun to pick up and play at my leisure. Tbf I'm super biased, this was my introduction into the entire series and got me really invested in everything about it as a 5th grader lol. The missions that unlocked the model viewer, the art viewer and tons of music tracks that you could just play through headphones with the system closed were a great way to get elementary me locked into everything about the series. Me and a friend would race and compare our stage times, not to mention the online racing function too. I'm certainly nostalgia goggling a bit here, but I think saying it's a cheap cash-grab might be doing it a bit of a disservice lol, but coming off of Colors DS I can see where you're coming from. I will admit that like all the later classic stages in the game aside from Tropical Park are absolute bores though, they didn't do him much justice.
How awesome would it have been to fight Fang The Sniper again after so long, and to actually hear a voice actor portraying him? His bossfight would be every encounter with him in Sonic Triple Trouble combined, until he snags the Chaos Emerald and tries to escape on his airbike, the Marvellous Queen. You chase him down while dodging all the projectiles he shoots at you, and the more damage you do to his bike, the more smoke rises from it, until finally, it blows up, he drops the Emerald, and is sent flying into the screen for a comedic 3D effect.
As for who would voice him, while my answer is different now with which voice actors are available (assuming they ever do bring him back), back in 2011 I think Michael Sinterniklaas would be a good pick. He's got the range that allows him to portray Fang as sinister at times, and hysteric at others when his plans go down the drain. If we're talking about Fang in a new Sonic game, my answer would be Chris Patton in a heartbeat, but considering the time Generations 3DS was released, I think Michael Sinterniklaas, Spike Spencer, Brian Beacock and Sam Riegel would all be worth auditioning for the role.
What's sad is that this is one of the many chances SEGA have had to bring this character back as a regular villain in the franchise, and that's not even counting his cancelled appearances.
Instead of Shadow driving vehicles slower than himself and sporting realistic guns in his own games, why didn't they focus on the abilities Shadow already has, like time and space manipulation, and his melee combat prowess? That way, if Fang ever came back, or starred in his own game, he'd not only have a gun that's stylised to fit in with the Sonic universe (maybe even have multiple ammo types), but you could wreak havoc on the roads with his Marvellous Queen.
Instead of making a redundant rival character in Sonic Rush Adventure who literally serves the same function Fang once did... you get the idea. Fang is said to have come from another dimension, so this could've been the Sol Dimension. He could've been a notorious wanted criminal who's avoided arrest by hopping between Dimensions. Instead of fighting Johnny the generic, you're now challenging Fang for the Emeralds, while he uses every dirty trick in the book to try and win against Sonic.
After Sonic Generations, we got Forces and Team Sonic Racing. Starting with the former, while Forces has a lot of issues that needed addressing and changing much earlier in development, I do like the idea of Eggman bringing back villains from the past, in addition to the new villain Infinite. Assuming they abandonded the daft Phantom Ruby clone idea, it'd be great if we saw the likes of Metal Knuckles, Gmerl, and of course, Fang, all with their own reasons for joining. Where Chaos would be manipulated by Eggman, the robot villains programmed to kill Sonic, and Shadow acting as a double-agent to help the resistance, Fang would be in it for the money. He'd side with the highest bidder, and would catch onto Shadow's betrayal and force him to retreat. And of course, when the going gets tough and things don't work out for him, Fang would possibly side with the resistance, and then make his escape into subspace before he can be apprehended for his treacherous nature.
Remember how Fang was playable in the first Sonic racing game to be released in the west? Well, what if Team Sonic Racing called back to that game, by having Fang return? This time, he's driving a redesigned kart version of his Marvellous Queen, and his partners would be his fellow Hooligans Bark and Bean. Fang would be out to steal whatever prize and riches were available, so of course he'd jump at the chance to take part in the race, with Bark and Bean serving to keep him from botching his own plans. And their voice actors? Easy. Chris Patton as Fang, Kaiji Tang as Bark, and Ben Diskin as Bean.
A Wii/ PS2 version of Generations would’ve honestly been more preferable to this version; in fact it’d probably have a way better stage selection than Gens. 3DS:
- Star Light (Sonic 1)
- Aquatic Ruin (Sonic 2)
- Flying Battery (Sonic 3)
- Windy Valley (Sonic Adventure)
- Crazy Gadget (Sonic Adventure 2)
- Grand Metropolis (Sonic Heroes)
- Sand Oasis (Secret Rings)
- Cool Edge (Unleashed SD)
- Camelot Castle (Black Knight)
That was a thing. I’m pretty sure it was turned into Colors somewhere along development
In defense of the part on radical highway where you're just running in a straight line it gives you a chance to appreciate the arches! Lol not saying I'm impressed, but somebody wanted you to get a good look at those!
I, for one, can't believe people don't see Aquarium Park as iconic! Personally, it was my favorite zone on Colors DS! I'm still figuring out how I feel about the Colors Ultimate stages, even though it's been a year since I got it.
The best part about this game are the music remixes, Casino Night Act 2 and Water Palace Act 2 are probably the highlights for me
What’s crazy is Generations 3DS was finished in less than a year. Dimps had to create 2 games (Colors DS, and Gens 3DS) while Sonic Team split into 2 teams (Colors team and Gens team).
The funny thing about it this game is that when you go to the extras area it plays the Xbox 360 home menu sound (when you press the Xbox button)
Nice, I cameo'd in the vid (MetalSonic30 here).
I won't lie, I do regret some of my stage choices. I said Haunted Ship, but Pirates' Island would be the better stage for sure. Although I still think Gemerl is a better rival boss than Emerl on the simple fact that Gemerl is still alive (like the rivals Sonic fights in the console version) and he was a reoccurring rival boss in Advance 3 itself, improving with each encounter. Plus, like Metal Sonic, Gemerl ended up being the final boss (the same can be said for Emerl, but he was heroic up until he glitched out in that game. XD)
tropical resort act II has my favorite stage theme out of both generations soundtrack
Funnily enough this was and has been my first and only experience with Generations, i remember enjoying it when I was younger
This game was my reintroduction to the series. After watching this video, I realized why the first 3 stages stood out for me. For the rest of the game, I blindly enjoyed it because of how much I enjoyed the level design in the first chunk of the game.
It was a missed opportunity not to have terminal velocity act 2 as a full level for the final level on console they should have put planet wisp on the 3ds instead
Personally I though Gens3DS was fine, not as great as the HD version, but still a good time.
If I were to select stages so the game would be a more faithful homage to handheld Sonic games, I'd select :
- either Green Hill or Bridge zone for Sonic 1
- Scrambled Egg for Sonic 2 (it was mainly for the music honnestly)
- Sunset Park for Triple Trouble
- Fang as the Classic Era rival (taking place in TT's special stage)
- a Sonic Chaos boss, to represent the game (probably Gigantopolis' boss)
- Angel Island for Advance 1
- Music Plant for Advance 2
- Cyber Track for Advance 3
- Gmerl for the Advance Era rival (taking place in Chaos Angel / Altar Emerald)
- Super Eggrobo Z (from Advance 2) as the boss
- still Water Palace for Rush
- Haunted Ship for Rush Adventure
- either keep Tropical Resort or have Starlight Carnival for Colours DS
- Blaze as the Rush Era rival (in Dead Line)
- Nega Mother Wisp as the boss (considering the boss was both a secret final boss and DS exclusive, it's better fitting)
I think the argument could be made that silver as a boss is justified. Since 06 was erased from the timeline, his first appearance is from rivals- a psp game
But if I'm being honest, I would've loved to see blaze be the rival
2 great things about sonic generations is the chaos emerald levels because of the music and overall it was fun and the big arm boss battle theme like it was fire if you haven’t heard it plz do
This was a surprise of a video but I thoroughly enjoyed it! I remember playing Sonic Generations on my friend’s 3DS back in Freshmen year of High School and getting that obnoxious S rank on Radical Highway Act 1 for him. Now in terms of Sonic Lost World, that’s going to be a big one I’m looking forward to because it’ll be a neat callback to J’s utter hatred towards that game and being his least favourite Sonic game in the Meta era (yes, worse than Forces and worse than Boom). I’m also excited for the RE4 video especially because that’s the Resident Evil fan favourite and one of the best among the series.
Otherwise this was a great video to get my day going :)
Personally speaking, I'm looking forward to J covering Free Riders.
Because that game, not counting crappy ports, is probably the worst game in the franchise.
I remember ranting the 3ds one from the library and I think it was my first sonic game and also later on I played the 360 one and I loved it
Hello Fresh. Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.
Great video! Sonic Generations 3DS would've been much better if they used the stages from your Patreon poll, so weird that ultimately only choose just 1 handheld stage for the game :/
The first thing I thought of when you started talking about that poll was that there was potential for somebody to choose Green Hill four times in a row.
man i missed these reviews they were my jam back in 2021
And now Shadow is coming to Generations
Also a Switch release at 30FPS and GameCube level graphics
i had my own 3ds my uncle had a 3ds with this game on it and i played it all the time. such good memories
Honestly, I think that a mix of what is there and what could be there would be cool. I'd love to see Asteroid Coaster and the Nega Wisp Armour for the DS return but I'd love to play the Biolizard fight
This was one of my first sonic games
i took the form, for my picks i just went with what i thought was most iconic and my favorites
Handheld Sonic games, from Advance to DS, are criminally underrated. I would love if Sega came out with a collection release.
yo J got a sponsor and free food while reviewing sonic he living the dream
Oh man! i always love to share my opinion on how the stage roster could had been in the 3DS version, so let me do just that:
Classic Era:
-Mecha Green Hill Zone
-Aqua Lake Zone
-Sunset Park Zone
Boss Battle: Nack and Eggman (why not combining that ultra difficult Eggman final boss with Nack spicing up the fight here and there?)
GBA Era:
-Secret Base
-Hot Crater
-Cyber Track
Boss Battle: the final boss of Sonic Advance 3
DS Era:
-Water Palace
-Sky Babylon
-Asteroid Coaster
Boss Battle: The Nega Wisp Armor and the Nega Mother Wisp
I mean i kinda see the boss battles of this game as a combination of different bosses into one like a tag team battle against Sonic, like Eggman in the 8-bit era of handleheld he could be on his bipedal robot thing from Sonic Triple Trouble while you have Nack jumping into the foreground to fight you first with his attacks while Eggman shoots you with his mech from the back from time to time, once you hit Nack a certain ammount of times he jumps into the background or gets pulled by eggman itself and eggman jumps in to do the job by himself, the same thing happends when Nack just gets tired of being on the back and kicks eggman out of the fight so he can continue fighting you until you defeat both of them.
The same thing can go for all the battles, like for the GBA one it could be just like it is in SA3 but mid fight Gemerl just gets off the mech and turns into the final thing he becomes and starts fighting you on his own attacking eggman to get him out of his way and then eggman does the same thing, same for the Nega Wisp Armor and the Nega Mother Wisp, what im saying is they could had gone the same route the final fight on Sonic Mania went, having the Heavy King and Eggman fighting for the control of the Phantom Ruby while also trying to get rid of Sonic at the same time.
Fun fact. Modern Sonic's Water Palace is basically exactly the layout of Water Palace Act 1 from Sonic Rush.
This is really good broski
I honestly thought the series was over after the "Being a happy Sonic Fan" video, thank god I was wrong cause I really missed these.