I really wanted an engine builder/tuner to comment on this engine - so a massive THANKS Rob ! When I heard the info on the gen 3, I thought like you, Suzuki have helped the aftermarket tuning world here. I mean the gen 1 and 2 are damn durable units, Suzuki have made it stronger still !!! I think it shows that Suzuki really did make a turbo version to evaluate what to do on the gen 3 ..... then potential cost made them move away from the turbo, but they left the strengthening additions. ECU aside, this bike is ready for so many upgrades, boosted and NA. For people who just like riding the gen 3 will be a nicer bike to ride, day to day, a wider torque band will do that. Looking forward to your first video on boosting this new version, I hope you can unlock the ECU, as some of the anti wheelie/ spin functions could be helpful (?).... thanks again for the great video 👍🙂
I think you are bang on the money with your analysis of what Suzuki have done. I am on my 2nd Gen 2 Busa , awesome motorcycle not just a straight liner. I look forward to seeing more of your videos. We'll done sir keep up the good work. 🇬🇧🏴👍🏻
Paper hp chasers don't have a clue. Suzuki outsmarted the Euro5 and gentleman's agreement with the Gen3. It took a while to come up with something but they did it. I feel the Gen3 has ungodly amounts of hidden power waiting to be discovered. Just wait and see...
Thanks for sharing this perspective. I’ve watched 100+ videos on the gen3 and no one went into depth like this ♥️ now I can understand my new 2022 Busa better! - Amy
Really like your channel and the information you share. I recall Suzuki releasing some patents years ago showing the now quick shifter and even some turbo patents. The creators even mentioned that they tested some turbo examples, bigger motor examples but decided a more improved 1340cc with better oil passages, etc was better. However you look at, this new new motor design is the future of whats left to come like you said..
Thank you. I really feel like that’s the writing on the wall. How soon? No telling. I knew about the turbo patents you speak of. Seems like a huge waste of money in r@d to come out with and updated more reliable engine that’s identical to the previous generation. With emissions, I doubt we will ever see any substantial increase in displacement. Engine efficiency will likely be the road taken. Turbos get efficiency over 100%, so seems like the solid play for the Busa.
I expected the gen 3 to have at least 220 horsepower. Despite the gen 3 having top technology on board, I am disappointed. you can't have less horsepower than a gsx-r 1000. come on suzuki. we want a real beast that is the fastest of all production motorcycles. like the gen 1 in 1999.
So there's not going to be Frankenstein engines like gen 1+2 for setups? Seems like a relatively easy fix, especially if the header profile is the same for gen 3. Means that regardless of cams if you want to bore it out you'll still need a gen 1 head unless you have endless money to throw away.
Gen 1 cylinders you mean. I’m sure exhaust port spacing is the same, so aftermarket exhausts can be had quickly. Like I said in the video I don’t think we will see anything over gen 2 hp numbers until the cams are addressed.
No doubt suzuki made a stronger bike, I'm a die hard suzuki person. GSXR1100, DRZ400E, GSXR 1000 05, Hayabusa 1397cc, yosh cams, JE pistons, air shifter etc, built by Johnny Cheese . I have a ZX14R now for the last 7 years, I know suzuki doesn't have Kawasaki Heavy Industries money, but with the H2, H2SX H2R etc suzuki had a chance with the B-King concept supercharger, as many hayabusa are sold, way more than ZX14R's, they could have done more. I might buy a turbo hayabusa if they produce one, but a good, clean used H2 sounds like the way to go now !
Instead of just making ignorant comments, perhaps you’d like to share with the class what you see wrong with my logic. Unshrouding valves for less turbulent flow into the cylinders is common practice on basic head porting on other platforms. It’s also common knowledge that removing material from a combustion chamber increases its volume. But go ahead and shoot holes in my logic, maybe you can teach me something. After all, that’s the whole point of this part of my channel. Teaching and learning.
@@BoostedCyclePerformance bigger combustion chamber lowers compression , it does not increase cylinder volume. It increases residual gases , not fresh charge , so makes less power. But for boost you must lower compression because of knock , so it is a compromise , like always. You must also change cam overlap because of lower compression.
@@V8Lenny I think you may have missed a few things that I said in the video. The gen 3 and gen 2 have the same 12.5:1 compression in stock form. I never said anything about larger chambers having anything to do with cylinder volume. I did say that because the chambers are larger, that there had to be changes to the pistons in order to make up the difference in compression with larger chambers. The gen2 and Gen3 engines have the same bore and stroke. That’s why I showed the new pistons vs old to show that the gen 3 has more material on the face of it to keep the compression the same with the larger chambers.
You’re only partially right. I said in BOOSTED applications the larger the chamber, the more air you can cram in, that means more fuel can be burned, which means more power.
I really wanted an engine builder/tuner to comment on this engine - so a massive THANKS Rob ! When I heard the info on the gen 3, I thought like you, Suzuki have helped the aftermarket tuning world here. I mean the gen 1 and 2 are damn durable units, Suzuki have made it stronger still !!!
I think it shows that Suzuki really did make a turbo version to evaluate what to do on the gen 3 ..... then potential cost made them move away from the turbo, but they left the strengthening additions. ECU aside, this bike is ready for so many upgrades, boosted and NA. For people who just like riding the gen 3 will be a nicer bike to ride, day to day, a wider torque band will do that.
Looking forward to your first video on boosting this new version, I hope you can unlock the ECU, as some of the anti wheelie/ spin functions could be helpful (?).... thanks again for the great video 👍🙂
You’re very welcome. Thanks for watching. I’m excited to see what this does with some boost.
I think you are bang on the money with your analysis of what Suzuki have done.
I am on my 2nd Gen 2 Busa , awesome motorcycle not just a straight liner.
I look forward to seeing more of your videos. We'll done sir keep up the good work. 🇬🇧🏴👍🏻
Thanks for watching.
Owner of the second generation 2008 ( nice colour 😊 ) and i think the Busa have lots of power already without turbo. Thanks for the video. 👍
Paper hp chasers don't have a clue. Suzuki outsmarted the Euro5 and gentleman's agreement with the Gen3. It took a while to come up with something but they did it. I feel the Gen3 has ungodly amounts of hidden power waiting to be discovered. Just wait and see...
Thanks for sharing this perspective. I’ve watched 100+ videos on the gen3 and no one went into depth like this ♥️ now I can understand my new 2022 Busa better! - Amy
Thanks for watching! Glad to help.
I hope there is hidden
HP I raced one with my gen2 that has simple mods . Pipe .Sprint filter.PGR tune.short stacks. Smoked it bad.
Love hayabusas
Really like your channel and the information you share. I recall Suzuki releasing some patents years ago showing the now quick shifter and even some turbo patents. The creators even mentioned that they tested some turbo examples, bigger motor examples but decided a more improved 1340cc with better oil passages, etc was better. However you look at, this new new motor design is the future of whats left to come like you said..
Thank you. I really feel like that’s the writing on the wall. How soon? No telling. I knew about the turbo patents you speak of. Seems like a huge waste of money in r@d to come out with and updated more reliable engine that’s identical to the previous generation. With emissions, I doubt we will ever see any substantial increase in displacement. Engine efficiency will likely be the road taken. Turbos get efficiency over 100%, so seems like the solid play for the Busa.
Thanks for your Info, as I’m doing a Boosted Busa next week
yea the busa's are meant to be boosted. It's a strong engine.
It’s similar to the gen 2 so it’s came to turbo.I have a turbo Busa. It’s addicting.
@sen Yes, you can put a turbo on it. Stock internals won’t make 400 hp.
I expected the gen 3 to have at least 220 horsepower. Despite the gen 3 having top technology on board, I am disappointed. you can't have less horsepower than a gsx-r 1000. come on suzuki. we want a real beast that is the fastest of all production motorcycles. like the gen 1 in 1999.
I still wanted a 1500cc turbo charged from the factory 🏭 ....an "Avante Gaurde" model
how did you edit the comment and still get the spelling wrong??
Nice video,thanks.
Any update on any of this? Thinking of getting a 22 busa. Any new tunes available? Anybody had success with a turbo?
So there's not going to be Frankenstein engines like gen 1+2 for setups? Seems like a relatively easy fix, especially if the header profile is the same for gen 3. Means that regardless of cams if you want to bore it out you'll still need a gen 1 head unless you have endless money to throw away.
Gen 1 cylinders you mean. I’m sure exhaust port spacing is the same, so aftermarket exhausts can be had quickly. Like I said in the video I don’t think we will see anything over gen 2 hp numbers until the cams are addressed.
Awesome video thanks
Thanks for watching!
Do you just do busa turbo builds Do you zx10 builds
Busa’s and B-kings primarily. But occasionally I like to bring in an oddball.
Supppppper excited
Rob I have a 1980 gsx 1100 will that engine take a turbo
yes you can buy turbo kits for them google. very similar to the bandit and hayabusa.
No doubt suzuki made a stronger bike, I'm a die hard suzuki person. GSXR1100, DRZ400E, GSXR 1000 05, Hayabusa 1397cc, yosh cams, JE pistons, air shifter etc, built by Johnny Cheese . I have a ZX14R now for the last 7 years, I know suzuki doesn't have Kawasaki Heavy Industries money, but with the H2, H2SX H2R etc suzuki had a chance with the B-King concept supercharger, as many hayabusa are sold, way more than ZX14R's, they could have done more. I might buy a turbo hayabusa if they produce one, but a good, clean used H2 sounds like the way to go now !
Too bad the h2’s stock engine modded blow up ... trust me I build them monthly
@@caperformance_motorsports is boosted h2 beat highly modified turbobusa in a drag race?
So if I get one to boost it will need a Holley ecu?
No, you don’t need one. Until the stock ecus get hacked, the only option is to run a power commander PCV PTi.
Why did Suzuki doing just turboed Hayabusa
Good info!!!
Suzuki is telling us ........ just give it some boost loool
That’s what I’m saying.
I hope this guy doesnt design cylinder heads , especially combustion chambers.
Instead of just making ignorant comments, perhaps you’d like to share with the class what you see wrong with my logic. Unshrouding valves for less turbulent flow into the cylinders is common practice on basic head porting on other platforms. It’s also common knowledge that removing material from a combustion chamber increases its volume. But go ahead and shoot holes in my logic, maybe you can teach me something. After all, that’s the whole point of this part of my channel. Teaching and learning.
@@BoostedCyclePerformance bigger combustion chamber lowers compression , it does not increase cylinder volume. It increases residual gases , not fresh charge , so makes less power. But for boost you must lower compression because of knock , so it is a compromise , like always. You must also change cam overlap because of lower compression.
@@V8Lenny I think you may have missed a few things that I said in the video. The gen 3 and gen 2 have the same 12.5:1 compression in stock form. I never said anything about larger chambers having anything to do with cylinder volume. I did say that because the chambers are larger, that there had to be changes to the pistons in order to make up the difference in compression with larger chambers. The gen2 and Gen3 engines have the same bore and stroke. That’s why I showed the new pistons vs old to show that the gen 3 has more material on the face of it to keep the compression the same with the larger chambers.
@@BoostedCyclePerformance but you said with bigger chamber you get more air into cylinder.
You’re only partially right. I said in BOOSTED applications the larger the chamber, the more air you can cram in, that means more fuel can be burned, which means more power.
Can you turbo my 2011 Ninja 250r ? Yes I'm serious .
I can. But I won’t.
@@BoostedCyclePerformance youre an OG for this comment.
@@1DS9 just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
gen 3 busa spit in face fans
Honda cbr 1000rr has more hp than he piece of crap, zx14r is way better lmao