UPDATE: 1. When installing the grip, pay closer attention to use the screws that are included with the base and not the grip. They are slightly larger and will hold better. 2. With this, it is unlikely the grip can separate. 3. My reference to the part wearing out due to use, was reference to an extreme case and a general statement rather than highlighting a specific case. 4. The current version of the NXT base includes ball bearings internally for the gimbal action. 5. and finally, as I said numerous times in the video, ABS plastic is not an indication of cheap construction. TLDR. I think the NXT is a great value, I believe they are built well and are solid performer.
7:50 - forward: Speaking from experience with these sticks. You need to be careful "which" screws you use to fasten the grip to the base. Contrary to intuitive assumption, the screws for fastening the grip to the base, do NOT come in the grip's box. Yes, there are three screws that come in that box and yes, they "look" like the right size, but they're NOT. You MUST use the screws that come with the BASE. They are only a little bigger, but bite much deeper into the plastic well to give a much firmer and tighter fasten. So much so that you actually need to use a little force to secure it all the way down. Not too much, but plenty for what you should normally expect. So make sure you're using the correct screws from the base and NOT the screws that come with the grip. The problem with the screws that come with the grip is that they are not labelled and I'm still not entirely sure what they're for, but my best guess is, I think they are spares for the grip's housing. The screws for fastening the grip to the base will be in the Base's box and those will be clearly labelled. I'm a little embarrassed to admit that it took me way too long to figure that out after frustratingly trying to secure the grip to the base with the screws that came with the grip and thinking "these are so loose, how do they expect these to hold firm?". Using the correct screws, I've not had any issues with using this stick and base. And yes, they hold just fine even if picked up by the grip, even if I wouldn't necessarily recommend it out of common sense. Hope this helps.
My right stick pulled out of the base when I got a bit too excited dogfighting over Jumptown the other weekend. The wire wasn't damaged, but I'm definitely going to have to take it apart and check those screws.
I broke the included hex driver trying to use those bigger screws to secure the grip to the base. Thankfully, this was my second stick and the smaller ones still fit.
I have HOSAS with these. Worth it. OK maybe there's better out there, but not for the money your spending. Plus they are available. They also have an Aussie website now. I've had them for 2 years of almost constant use, daily play multi hours, only thing I've had to do is replace the occasional spring, 3 so far in total across 2 sticks just plomped on the desk, and I have big hands. They give multiple spares of those in all weights. Both mine are premiums. I've never had the grip pull out of the base. Ever. Yes I'm the guy who is commenting in the comments. Sure I'd love some virpils but I also like being married, know what I mean..
Happy too read a comment from someone using them on a daily basis! Got me more calm :) Do they give extra springs in the package or can you order some somewhere?
@@danielschmidt1990 they come with spare 10s 20s and 30s 2 each I think. They are good at responding to queries and they include a couple of spare buttons and stuff. The numbers are the spring stiffness so you can play around for a light medium or heavy touch.
One of the things I liked about these sticks is the grips are really good for Star Citizen even if plastic. But really, my main concern for the plastic construction is in the base, not the grip. And what I found on the VKB website when I was researching these, is that VKB actually sell conversion kits for to allow you to attach the Space Combat Grip onto their higher end Gunfighter bases. I didn't have the money to go full pelt into their ecosystem from the start, but I really liked the pro-consumer upgrade path and the interoperability they had in their designs. I have EVOs now and I really like them. Although I am still tuning them. But I like them enough that I'm seriously considering upgrading them to the gunfighter bases in the future.
This was my primary reason for getting the NXT originally, the Kosmosima grip is the same one you'd find elsewhere in their catalogue and even prior to the original release they confirmed it would be compatible in the future with said kit. VKB making things adjustable, compatible, upgradeable and so on is a very good reason to support them IMO. I'm not a hardcore player right now in terms of hours, nor am I particularly hard on my gear or super invested in a sim rig yet, so it fits the bill in terms of quality at the price and pure usability...I'd personally never advise even a beginner get anything less after using them for a few months with the inexpensive upgrade to the EVO bases in the interim. Once I'm able to and the time is right, I'll also very likely pick up the Gunfigher bases for the final upgrade.
@@flockofwildcactus I have had dual GF3 and Kosmosima Pro's for over a year now and I literally can't stand flying any other way now, especially with the Omni throttle adapter.
I've had my NXTs since Oct of 21 and have been very happy with them. I had neither the bankroll to go Virpil, nor the space to have a dedicated rig to mount them right. I just have an office chair and desk, and have to use that desk for a multitude of tasks. I fly in SC multiple times per week, sometimes every day, and I've had zero issue with them. Just as accurate with no drift as when I bought them. SOMEday I'll get a full Virpil setup going, but for now the NXTs have been great.
Best thing about these sticks is that if you decide you really like the grip and want the nxts bigger brother you can buy the gunfighter III base plus nxt conversion kit and upgrade the gladiator to the gunfighter when you have the money. Freakin great products
After going through 2 z-axis failures on a dual TM T16000M setup in just six months I took the leap up to the NXT Gladiator Premiums and was blown away at the quality at this price point. They are SOOO much better and it's been over a year without a single issue. I don't play enough to justify the budget for serious high end sticks so the NXT's were a perfect middle ground and I'd never go back to a cheaper stick again. These sticks are a perfect compromise, IMO.
I have such fond memories of the T16000Ms, but they were literally my first and only experience using a dual stick setup. Had an absolutely blast. Now looking to get back into the game and my T16000Ms have been collecting dust for years, so definitely time to upgrade.
I have to disagree with you about the sticks being only people that don't use it much. I have used mines for more than 12h gaming daily on more than 1 occasion and in almost 2 years nothing has broken and works wonderfully. I will keep my opinion that it's not worth it to buy virprils for what you get. Just because a product is plastic doesn't mean it is bad because this is actually premium plastic no cheap plastic like the T16ks. Those are pure garbage and i broke 4 of them in a month...
I understand your opinion. My point was… compared to others, these will wear you quicker. Oiled metal cams, vs greased ABS. It’s just physics DF. I am happy you commented and offered this feedback.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yes it is but that doesn't mean that the product is bad. Besides that you have to consider that not everyone is able to spend 1k on a virpril set and why would you spend 1k plus wait over a month when you can get get a product that in terms of price plus / quality is 10x better than virpril and where they out of the box offer you tons of spares and good support plus only wait 1 or 2 weeks max which virpril just doesn't do
@@DF-fg1cz it isn’t bad, but is worse than others if you compare it against them. Objectively, not in value per money spend. And the point is, that he tries to give people a basis they can make an informed purchase decision on. If you play sc a lot, and can afford something with a cam profile and metal gimbal, you probably want to invest a bit more into it, at least for the right hand. The chance that stuff will break is also a lot higher, and the way the spring is attached to the NXT is a lot more fragile than either gunfighter or warbrd base. Does that mean that it WILL break for sure? No, ofc not. You might be careful with it, knowing that it’s not a metal piece. But not everyone buying an NXT is aware how many compromises VKB had to come up with to make such a great device at such a low price. This is something that seems to be ignored in almost all vids about the Gladiator, mostly probably because they are made by people who haven’t used metal gimbal sticks before.
I'm so glad you've reviewed these. I own these as a pair and I have never looked back perfect for surfing the verse! It's a cheap yet worthwhile level to enjoy Star Citizen.
Fantastic review! Your last point is exactly what I did - I was coming from mouse and keyboard and wanted to test out dual sticks without spending a boatload of money AND by getting a decent product. My NXTs did just that. Agreed with everything in this video. THANK YOU!!
I'm still sporting the T16000m and about to do the exact same thing as you just did. Did you find the placement of switches and change of keybinds to be much of a learning curve?
@@tripperdan not at all, took a bit to figure out how i wanted to bind it exactly but thats a given. swapped out the default springs for the softer ones though. bit annoyed that you can't change the detend when centering the stick but whatever
Was recommended this to me whilst watching a video from CrimsonGamer (an Elite TH-camr), lost my X-56 HOTAS when I moved out of Florida (lost apartment to roommates, kicked out of friend's family house, fun times and ones I hope to leave behind in 2022!) and he spoke of the VKBs, so I figured I'd go to the one man I trust on joystick knowledge, and I was not disappointed! In the future I'd love to move to VIRPRILs, but going from a HOTAS to a HOSAS, I want to give the VKBs their run. I don't play Elite everyday (that home improvement sales associate life, yo) so wear 'n tear won't be an issue, however to see how they fair up with (careful!) LAN party transportation and of course some FA-Off Elite combat will be a true testament. Thank you for making this review video, I think I got my sights set!
I've had the pre-evo version of these for a couple years now with the premium grips. I'm not a daily player, and I don't play rough. This replaced an X55 stick/throttle that was nearly dead after 6 years of mild use. I will step up to virpil alphas in a couple years when I can play more consistently - because the alphas look like the type of stick I'd like to have as far as SC is concerned. I am very much into the bindings and want to keep my fingers off the keyboard as much as possible. (I've been thinking about a custom keyboard design for a while too, I'm that kind of nerd) I lifted my left hand stick once. I think i used the screws that came with the stick and not the base. But it didn't lift completely "out" so I was able to reseat it with no damage to the wire. Point to point though? The sticks are *very* consistent and very accurate. Thumb sticks work well but I wish I could get better curves on them. Calibration is nice and doesn't drift once set. All in all, I was very, very pleased with the set and I see someone who takes care of these (ie putting a little grease on the plastic every once in a while after use) and keeping them clean and dust free getting, many, many years of use out of them as a primary control set... and once you move up to better sticks, being able to use these as a solid set of backup sticks or for having a second gaming station for friends to use when they come over for a visit.
I've been using a set of "GNX EVO Omni Throttle w/ SCG Left Premium" and a "Gladiator NXT EVO ‘Space Combat Edition’ w/ SCG Premium Right grip" for over a month now and... Well VKB needs to work on their product names, but, I am very satisfied with them. Other than to say, I ended up going for the 45" tilt "omni throttle" variant for my left hand, over the straight up and down version, for a more intuitive throttle feel for my simple brain to more easily grasp the complexity of space flight. And I would recommend the slight increase in cost, for the more intuitive set up. Beyond that, my thoughts align with what was said so no need be redundant, HOWEVER. I think a few aspects were glossed over in this review. One being the depth and complexity of the software. If you follow VKBs start up guides, it will go smoothly and simply. Yet, what I feel sets these aside from other sticks in the "sub $1,000 a set" category is the ability to customize every input in every way you could think of. It is NOT user friendly however, most of the modifiers do not have explanations of what they do, so you'll have to do some reading to know not only what you're looking at, but, how to take advantage of it, but all of this is to say, the functionality runs deep. And another point missed that I see value in, is the additional modules VKB makes, that can be integrated directly into the base of these sticks by removing the side panels and plugging them into the sticks board, to make one larger device with still only needing to run one cable. Although I haven't tried these modules, if these sticks hold up over the coming months, I look forward to getting even more capability out of these sticks, when I upgrade the bases with additional modules, and will be able to bind all necessary control binds, and will be able to forget the original key board based ones for good. A set of Gladiators goes for about the same price as a single complete Virpil. Although you can't expect full metal construction, for half the price I feel as though you get well over 90% of the features. Once again, very satisfied with my purchase, and, have no problem recommending them.
I was running Saitek's X45 HOTAS for mechwarrior back around 2004 or so. Used it for star citzen until about last year. The electricals got byorked due to age and power would flicker off and on and randomly give maxed throttle position inputs, a little hard to low fly or dog fight with that. I loved that HOTAS setup simply because of how long it lasted for me, and the memories with time. I have since moved up to twin NXT's. They've made low flying on planets and dog fighting much more enjoyable. If they last half as long as the old X45's I'll be pleased with the value they've provided. I've got a little cash put aside for some higher end gear for when I can justify it to myself by playing more frequently. For now I'm just pleased with how HOSAS feels.
I love my NXT; wish I had more time to fly. It's around 18 months old now. Never had a problem with it. This stick is as robust and accurate as the day I purchased it. As a flight simmer rather than space simmer the clutch actually helps ease loads on the wrist making it very comfortable over long periods.
Hooray! The Great Noob has come down to the peasants to sample our wares 😁. The hero we don't deserve. Jokes aside, solid review as always! I went with what I feel is a great compromise - Virpil right stick and NXT Omni left.
I've had my NXT since the first batch (non EVO) came out almost 2 years ago. It's seen a lot of hard use with Star Wars Squadrons, and almost daily use with DCS. I never had any issues with the stick pulling out of the base. I suggest anyone who buys one to watch the quick setup video on VKB's YT channel, as it shows very clearly which screws to use.
I've been eyeing these for a while but going from the North American website to the Australian website there is a nearly $100 mark up on top of the conversion rate. $165 USD = $246 AUD The price listed on the VKB Australian website is $325 AUD + shipping on top of it. If its Australian stock I understand that there are import fees but I'm not sure if it even is, or if it's a bit of a money grab with the price jump.
I've been using a pair of those since december 2022. Never had an issue with pretty intensive usage. They offer a lot of binds, are very comfy to use on the long run and are a nobrainer at this price point, beating the T16k by a mile. I'm moving up the foodchain this month for a pair of Virpils WrBrd + Constellation Alpha because I want more precision and more options, the plastic base of the EVO gives a rugged and "sticky" feel and I want a less pronounced center bump. It doesn't lessen the fact that the VKBs are an incredibly good value option for midrange simmers that don't want to spend 1k on their joystic setup. Enjoy.
Great to see you reviewing some vkb gear. For the gunfighters I hope you take a look at the MCGU since it’s one of the best grips currently on the market.
One other point about the materials of the stick, and they don't advertise this enough on any of their pages, so you aren't to blame for missing it, but all of the mobile components in the base aren't just made of durable ABS, but fiberglass reinforced ABS, making it considerably stronger than normal plastic, allowing the sticks to bear more force than their less expensive counterparts, although metal would still be stronger.
I thought the review hit many valuable points, was rich in worthy opinion that linked to applicable items considered at this price range and was a fair assessment. Great job! 👍
I use the NXT with 3 modules, and I have also used virpil. I honestly prefer the VKB. As does my buddy who uses one of each constantly in dual stick. These sticks are great
@@AgnosiaAgnosis Alpha. The Alpha just felt loose and sloppy to me, even when adjusting it. Also, weirdly enough, the actual alpha sticks felt kind of cheap to me, while the plastics used in the NXT feel really solid and the action on the stick feels really tight which i like, and its also physically smaller which makes it, in my opinion, much easier to get to all of the buttons. Plus you can do some really cool stuff like connect all of the modules to it to make some really unique flight panels. I used to mount these to my chair with monster tech chair mounts, but that was just super inconvenient unless you only use that chair and PC for SC and flight games. I use my PC 90% of the time for something else so they just got in the way. So now my set up is two sticks, and 3 panels all mounted together and i put a USB hub on the back of the vertical flight panel i mounted and when I want to play SC, I just slap it on my table and plug in 1 cable and im good to go. and I have all the buttons and throttle sticks i can ask for. All for less than the price of 1 alpha grip and base.
I'd bought the standard edition Gladiator NXT when it first came out and have about 300-400 hours in, maybe more. It still centers exactly, and I mean exactly(!!) to the point and so far I've never had to put in even a small artificial deadzone. It even survived my own stupidity on one occasion, when I was rather "forcibly" dismantling the grip due to what turned out had just been a software issue which now has been resolved, thanks to the support guy who sent me a beta driver. That and apart from the slighty bent base plate, which isn't an issue using a mount or a small screw clamp (though they surely would have sent a free replacement, had I asked for it) I've never had any issues. Coming from joysticks of wider known brands and even similar or higher price range, it's precision, feel and sturdieness, not to mention the exchangeable buttons and hats etc., should one break someday, truly is a game changer and my next stick will very likely also be a VKB one!
very nice review. i have dual nxt premiums and simply love them. i moved up from from twin t16ks. i am usually very smooth on gear so up to now all is good. with Canadian conversion, import charges they were the best choice for me. leaves me until game release to get better ones :)
@@NOOBIFIER1337 After speaking to some of the top PvP pilots out there (most of them using VKB NXT'S btw) I came to the conclusion that dual stick is indeed the way to go but it doesn't have to be Virpil. Though there is talk about the "meta" being stick for movement and mouse for aim. Never tried it myself but I can see why it's said and might give that a try since my aim with sticks is horrible, then again I don't have NXT's, yet.
I have been looking at VKB for bout a year now. Thanks for the video and I appreciate ur insider's/experience in this equipment. I always wanted some unbiased opinion of VKB.👍
I'm very happy with my NXTs, which I bought a year ago after building my first pc. But I know myself and I know I am starting to trick myself into going highend sooner than later. This video helped me cement that desire :)
Such nice sticks. I bought the GLADIATOR NXT EVO ‘SPACE COMBAT EDITION’ left and right versions. I must say, omg what a great sticks and they operate smooth and it all feels as a pro. Not like the cheep Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Hotas, but they are good to start with. I'm planning to get me the VKB rudders as well and maybe some more in the future also ;-)
Also, it would be nice to mention that with an omni throttle configuration, this set can play any flight Sims (space or atmospheric) very competently, with an unsprung Y axis and Omni Throttle on my left I play DCS, Ace combat, everspace 2, star scamizen, project wingman, Mechwarrior, IL-2 series, really any HOTAS game. It's a wonderful cheap solution to cover all your hotas needs, imo. But I did get a Stream Deck for a button box in DCS, other than that I've had 0 issues mapping everything I need to the sticks where I want. Without ever having to touch a keyboard except to text chat. Just wish they had an encoder and a break lever on the sticks (not base) like the alphas, can't get everything for a bargain, I suppose. 😂
You could bump you main hand to a gunfighter and Modern combat grip and sell your gladiator to recuperate some cost. But I’d love to see the gladiators with an option for the modern combat grip from the get go.
@@lostnwalmart9110 I'd REALLY love a modern combat grip b/c i mostly fly MiG/Su in DCS. I'm honestly, kind of debating the winwing f16 low tier throttle, but want to wait for VKBs to drop, I can deal with SteamDeck+Gladiator for now, but yeah GF/MCG is def on my radar
@@lostnwalmart9110 also, having trouble selling an NXT I already have after upgrading my Left to an EVO Omni, but can't get any buyers. It was lightly used for like 2 months, lol
@@lilbippy7691 Damn sorry to hear that figured people would be all over some good value gear, especially if they don't have to pay vkb shipping costs haha.
I've had mine for around 2 years and it still functions like it's brand new. I've got over 2,000 hours in DCS with it. I've used it in Star citizen but mainly have stuck to mouse and keyboard since at the moment I've only had a hotas setup paired with a virpil mongoose cm3. HOTAS is less than ideal for 6 degrees of movement. I've upgraded to a gunfighter mk4 ultimate and need to buy a left handed grip for the NXT. I can see me breaking it eventually in Star citizen as you have to use quick change of directions for front, back, and side to side thrust inputs. A real flight Sim like dcs doesn't really require quick, constant, and abrupt changes of direction so I'm curious to how long it will hold up. My NXT premium has most certainly served me flawlessly. It's very precise for a cheap stick with very direct and tactile hat switches and a pretty great analog axis
Thank you for this review @TheNOOBIFIER1337 I'm looking forward to your VKB Gunfighter Mk. III review and the comparison. Like many others I'm using two T16000m right now and want to upgrade later this year. The three joysticks I have in mind are the NXT Evo SCG, the Gladiator Mk. III and the Virpil Constellation Alpha. I would highly appreciate, if you could compare the pros and cons of these joysticks in the future, because I think many people also have these joysticks in mind, when upgrading or buying new joysticks. Thank you very much and have a great day.
@noob I don't actually think there is a hard detent (or detent at all, soft if anything), I think what you're experiencing is a mismatch in the dampeners, because the Y axis actually had TWO dampeners with 2 SEPERATE adjustment screws, one on the top half and one on the bottom half, causes a shift in resistance as you pass through it if you only adjust one, this can make it feel like it has a harder detent than is actually there. I have a hard time telling center without a spring on my left Evo omni throttle, because my resistence on both are very similar to each other. I honestly didn't think there is any detent and just the springs returned the stick to neutral... I could be wrong though, I'm sure you have much more experience with this sort of thing... There is, however only 1 dampener on the x axis, so only 1 screw and 1 resistance level to adjust and no change in resistance moving left to right as there is front to back. Anyway, great videos! Love to see vkb get the love the deserve and you have to push them for more info on their dedicated throttle we are all salivating for!
The way there are two cams, one on each side connected to the springs, it will always have a transition bump. It is a way to make cheaper, simple return. I appreciate your taking the time to comment.
No problems if you have Big Hands and remove the Palm Rest Rubber completely! I have used the Warthog - Will never go back to it (except still using the Trottle). This one feels more precise, much more! And it includes a very exact and easy to use Twist. If it breaks some day (using it extensively for a year) I will buy the same again or repair it myself. The best table stick I ever had.
Good review. I like that you discussed some of your opinions being based on your coming from higher end equipment. I've been using a pair of SCGs on the Gunfighter III base for some time now and have been very pleased. I look forward to your future reviews.
Well there is something you need to consider, everyone else that dosn't live in the US or EU. For you guys these might be a more premium entry level, but for us, that's our consumer dream and top of the line achievement. Just so you have an idea, a set of these will cost as much as 1 month of rent and I live in an expensive area. Kind of sad actually hearing someone calling something that I aspire to purchase with great effort as entry, but hey, it's the truth not mad about it, just sad.
I make good money, and am quite happy to spend it on pointless crap when I feel like it, but even I can't justify £1000+ on joysticks and mounts. I've got it, the money is there, but fuck that it's simply too much for what I need.
I know pilots that liked the NXTs and they have companion control panels you can bolt together to make a whole custom control bar. The software is about as powerful as VIrpil's and some support color coded layers so you could have hundreds of controls. Like the higher end stuff, you are expected to open them and mess with things and they sell parts and upgrade kits for some things with good guides on their YT channel. I bought the Gunfighter 3's with the Kosmosima Pro grips and love them, and the Omni grip made them even better. The Pro comes with parts to let you mod the grip buttons and hats and all the cams/springs available are included. IMO if you can't get Virpil for some where you live due to import issues or cost the VKB lines are a great meeting in the middle for a step up from basic gear and touches into the important features of the high-end stuff like metal parts and mag sensors with serviceable assemblies on the top lines.
Thanks for this video. I know this is 5months old now, but there isn't a ton of recent content on these and this helped greatly on my decision to "pull the trigger" on a pair of these. I can't afford the higher end stuff without saving for a very long time, but was able to get two of these after a month and a half. Hopefully they can hold up to my strong casual star citizen gameplay.
You can actually use epoxy on those screws without making it permanent. Put some epoxy in each hole before you put the screws in and then put grease or even show polish on the screws and make sure you cover it all. Then screw it in and once cured just loosen the screws half a turn, then re tighten. I've used this same method one screws and epoxy quite a bit for other hobbies I'm in and it has always worked.
Loved the video. You hit the nail on the head and I’m glad you gave them an honest try. I am quite enamored with them as a Segway to something bigger and better later. I am sure both NXT and Virpil will have newer better stuff by the time when SC when goes live. The NXTs are my alpha sticks. Their longevity will likely be a big factor in how long the remain the key part of my kit.
Just sucks that my right stick has a factory issue (that I can repair myself, but I can't be bothered yet). Something to do with the magnetic sensor on the Y axis not being properly secured. Edit: I'm talking about the previous generation, GNXT. Not Evo.
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I'm not yet sold on the HOSAS setup, but I'm a current user of a HOTAM setup, with a CH pro Throttle on my left hand (modded to have a center stop) and a mouse on my right. I've been considering the NXT Omni for a while now, for which the center stop won't be a problem, but a feature. They seem to be in the right spot for my needs.
I couldn't justify a thousand in sticks for a $45 MR. I picked up a pair of Premium NXTs last year and I reckon they're still probably the best value around if you don't have Virpil money. I highly recommend finding a button template for each stick and printing them out to place under your monitor so you can keep your binds straight as you're learning. Also, HCS is relatively cheap for a solution that can offload a lot of the commands so that you can keep your hands on the sticks. I still use it for power management (when my hands are generally rather busy) and for non-combat functions that are less-often used.
Since my Evo had two sets of grip screws (one longer, one shorter) and VKB advised to use the shorter ones, this is what I did. Never had the grip feel like it would separate and it's been on there very solidly since I got this stick back in March. And that's with an hour or two minimum of daily use. All in all, this thing feels rather solid to me (KG-12/WW2 grip) and, from an end-user perspective, I'd put it up there with my MS SW FF2 when it comes to build quality and materials used. And my FF2 is still in perfect condition after well over a decade of regular use. The only things I miss about the FF2 is its ability to disable spring force on the fly by removing my finger from the FF sensor on the grip and its ability to be used on the desktop without any sort of velcro or other aid. Its large footprint and high weight made that possible. The Evo's base is neither heavy nor large enough to stay stable under all conditions on the desktop - I had to "nail it down" to my desk with velcro before I bought a mount for it.
Thanks, I believe my issue was I tested the base for about 15 minutes when I first started, found them to be good, and then switched to monstertech. I didn’t really push the sticks to the limit when they were mounted to the included base, so it is great there are those 4 holes.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yup... it sure is. On a side note re mounts: I went Gunfighter last week but had the Evo mounted on a VKB short mount. Which I kinda, sorta would rather recommend for central mounting the Evo because VKB's GL adapter-plate allows you to rotate the stick (in its entirety) left and right. Rotating it left as far as it would go made flying central stick a lot more comfortable IMO. Waited several weeks for VKB EU to restock the GL mount because I wanted that feature and I don't think you can rotate the stick on a Monstertech - though I could be wrong there. :)
I just got this on the recommendation that it was good for petite and or small hands seeing as I'm 5'2 glad your analysis seems to align with most of the recommendations I was getting. Great channel, subbed. This is simply entry level for me, as I do plan on upgrading later but I didn't want to break the bank and not like a hobby than slowly build my way into. That being said, looking forward to getting back into simming again since I haven't done any of it since the good ol days of Falcon 4.0 and Top Gun: Fire At Will. Great!
Awesome review, I agree more or less with everything you brought forward. I myself decided to go with these sticks (my left is the omni throttle version though) for the simple reason that, I had been away from SC/Elite and really any flight sim for quite a number of years, probably since 2016-2017, and I wasn't 100% sure if I'd stick to it long term. Value for the money with the evo's is great. They're far an above the general entry point with the thrustmaster t16000's for example, they feel decent, and get the job done. Another thing I appreciate with the evo's is the modularity. I can very quickly and easily change out the analog stick for example to a hat if I want, or if down the road I want to upgrade but without having to purchase an entirely new set, I can simply get the gunfighter gimbals and transfer the grips. I agree they're nowhere near as smooth as an all metal gimbal with a cam to your liking like par with the virpils, but for what they are, they preform perfectly fine, and I'll use these any day over my old 16000's or even my old warthog Hotas. I also quite appreciate their software and what it can allow you to do with the sticks and how customizable they can be. Like making the analog stick function as a mouse so I can click on switches in the cockpit on the fly if I want to do so without taking my hands off the sticks to hold F. As always great video, great insight, and most importantly no bullshit to be found haha Cheers!
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I have to say I love it. All the benefits of a stick, but in the feel of a throttle. Typically most throttle have all their buttons/switches on the base, in this case they're all available (minus the very few obviously on the base with the VKB's) on the grip still. You get access to all the axis just like a normal straight stick, but in a very comfortable neutral position for the wrist. I would say the main thing that will throw some folks off, it did me for a couple hours, is the twist action if you use it. Instead of the typical twist left/right feel, it's a twist up/down now as the grip is angled side way. Another thing I like, and this may lead me to getting an omni right, is how the leverage works on the base. The grip sitting technically lower, I noticed when not mounted, I had a lot less occurrences of accidentally tipping the base to the side when making any stronger aggressive movements on the grip to the left/right. The biggest aspect for me though is, as mentioned, how neutral it keeps your wrists, it is extremely comfortable like that for me personally. To add to this, as you mentioned in this review, you can also lock the axis with the plate and use the clutch tension to basically make yourself a true throttle but with the benefits of the buttons primarily being grip located, for those that prefer that sensation.
Long standing SC player ( 2.4) been playing with KB/M the whole time... watched an older video you did with the logi 3d pros... ( before nxts and such) I wanted to see if I really felt it was that much different.. so i bought 2 sticks and wow the difference even with crap-tastic 35 dollar sticks. after 1 night of flight with these sticks I then looked up more of your review videos.. falling onto the Virpil Alpha Primes... needless to say I bought a R & L set with WarBRD bases.. and its really down to your review. I was already interested but your review put the nail in the coffin for me that the extra price would be worth it. And i was not wrong. Its amazing and a whole new game... in the end what im basically saying is THANK YOU for your extensive reviews , as im sure im not alone in you being the decider on a purchase of great monetary value :)
I recently got the t16km dual pack as my first step into dual sticks, or any sticks for that matter, for star citizen. Always had virpil or vkb as an endgoal setup when/if I got used to sticks vs kb&m. First 2-3 evenings of flying was just trying to wrap my head round what axis does what, after roughly a month I am feeling more at home with sticks and I am noticing some issues with the t16km's, specifically the VERY pronounced and harsh center bump. You might as well use keyboard to fine adjust your heading or aim.. I have tried the cable tie mod to the springs on the sticks, amd while it significantly reduces the bump, it only results in drifting and I cannot calibrate it away. How does these vkb's compare to the t16km's in relation to force required to move them and the center bump? Now that I feel more confident in dual sticks, I am annoyed over the lack of control and precision with the t16km's.
After wasting money on two t.16000m's only to find out they have a massive center bumps, The tflight hotas one/4 controller with the rudder pedals is the best for starting in my opinion as they are great for console and have a smaller bump, though I personally recommend finding a stronger custom spring for the rudder pedals and also suggest buying third party parts for the throttle if you hate it's INTENTIONAL center bump.
I bought a T16000M HOTAS kit a number of years ago, and man, it's just bad. The throttle suffered stiction when trying to make small adjustments, too many of the controls are on the throttle rather than the stick, the stick started producing spurious rotation signals after minimal use, and the stick is just too large (and it's not like I have small hands). Until it broke, I had better experiences with an old Saitek AV8R stick. I've been getting into X4 lately, so last week I ordered a single NXT Evo SCG, as it seems to be better in every possible way. Looking forward to it turning up. If I like it, I may add an omni-throttle in the future.
+BrianMP5T *The Virtual Engineering Bureau MPO has a closer approach than VirPil Controls to the HOSAS at the WSO station in the Boeing F-18 Delta/Foxtrot.* The dual Space Combat Grips are also available in the Gunfighter MkIII Series.
I got two Gladiator NXTs for when Alpha 3.14 came out and I've absolutely loved them. They work absolutely seamlessly with Star Citizen, just takes a bit of setting up keybinds between them but once you get your binds into a comfortable place, these things rock. Can't recommend this line of flight sticks enough
Bit late to the game but I bought a single T16000m years ago when they were priced much cheaper, amazon ca tells me I payed December 1, 2014 Total $57.48 and this is in CAD not USD and played elite dangerous for years with this stick daily for hours doing combat in my vulture and some space trucking etc its still works great, uses the same Mars sensors and was the defacto best entry stick to buy...the issue is because they were so popular the price of these skyrocketed over the years...so my point is if you can find some used t1600m for like 20$ or 40$ cad they are still very much worth it.
I would say, to anyone who is seriously considering buying hardware at £150 - £300 (or more) they will watch the whole video and appreciate the effort you put in the review. They will likely buy them over most other entry level sticks (like I did). I have these sticks, and you taught me things about them.
I bought dual NXT EVO Premiums and loved them. Stepped up my game and bought right SCG Gunfighter and noticed how much more smoother the metal cams were!!!
These are premium sticks - Virpils are for old guys with way to much money. I had mine for 2 years greats sticks but 2 of these will cost you a pretty penny £400-£450 when you also include postage and the omni extension. Also these sticks won't break - I totally disagree with you on that one and that's with 2 years HEAVY use. You shouldn't be lifting any stick straight up.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 he is a bit extreme but he is right. It always depends on the perspective and you have a lot of experience and probably a lot higher niveau of what you consider premium. Love your vids
@@NOOBIFIER1337 The actual product is named that, we'll the premium version. Lol. I think this video has made more people look at more expensive sticks when there's really no need. These sticks are perfect. Use any extra money on other hardware like tracking or a better monitor first before blowing the lot on Virpils.
Went from T16000M (with TWCS) to one Gunfighter 3 Ultimate...zero regret. It has amazing fidelity of control and comes with all the cam pieces and springs to tune it. Waiting for VKB to release TECS, as the thumb joystick is precisely what I need for strafing. I thought about getting the NXT with Omni/Gunfighter...so tempting...but I prefer the traditional sliding throttle, which means I'll have to wait a while. I've modified the TWCS to be as good as it can get and that will have to do.
one thing to consider its not really 300 shipping to north America is around 60 dollars add tax depending on your state makes these more a 400 dollar package but they do have alot of compatibility with games ranging from star citizen, arma 3, dcs, elite dangerous and more. which cant be said for all the units more expensive or in the same price bracket.
Looks like a pretty decent stick for the money. Virpils look to be much more solidly built, albeit for more money (I have two Deltas at present). As I've mentioned before though, I want the stick itself to act as a joystick (i.e. spring-centered), but I _really_ want some sort of throttle control* _on_ the stick. Having it on the base is mostly useless, because you need to take your hand off the stick to use it. Having it on the stick means that you can instantly set it to whatever value you want, without your needing to hold it there. Star Citizen speed limiters and mining lasers (not to mention accel limiter) benefit greatly from this. I have a theory that joystick manufacturers refuse to add this to their sticks, because they feel it would detract from their throttle sales. But if one did, they would immediately win my loyalty. If a manufacturer made a modular system that would allow me to attach whatever controls I wanted in a fixed set of places on the stick, even better. *Slider, rotary control, or single-axis non-centering thumbstick, whatever...but it should be operable with one thumb, should operate as an axis/analog control, and should stay where you set it.
I own the old NXT without the dry clutches. I have played through the entirety of TIE Fighter's DOS CD rom edition on medium difficulty plus many bouts of X-wing vs Tie Fighter, Descent, Overload, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw, Freespace, X-wing Alliance, Project Wingman, Ace Combat 7, etc. and am currently going through Wing Commander and expansions with it. Some of these games are much harder on a stick than Star Citizen (the TIE Fighter/X-wing games in particular necessitate to yank the stick in opposite directions to evade enemy fighters and Wing Commander uses an afterburner slide that also requires to yank the stick very hard in one direction) so any worry about solidity is misplaced, the bump compared to old CH Products sticks is negligible and frankly I never minded it in the first place.
I still got the T16000m because it is the most affordable to get when the throttle and pedals are bundled together, and I want to get basic muscle memory set in. It can also be used as a backup if the primary stick fails, or used as a second stick.
I have had no problems with my NXTs. Much better Sticks that the 3d extreme pro. I could not afford the really high end sticks. I love that I can buy any part to fix my stick. What I understand is that I can upgrade to the Gun fighter base. Then latter get a gun fighter stick. I am not sure if it is worth upgrading like this so any thoughts you have on piece meal upgrading would be very helpful.
Thanks! Still hoping you can review the Gunfighter with MCG Ultimate as most reviews of the MCG are of the plastic pro version. With the Constellation Alpha Prime out the MCG Ultimate (with Z axis module) seems like it would be the main competitor and curious how it compares on Gunfighter base to Virpil. No left handed version of the MCG is a downer but the Kosmosima grips as a left-hand option at least have a good button layout.
Just ordered one of these to use as a combo with a throttle. I chose these cuz they were supposedly a step up from the x52 I am using. I was looking into virpil until I learned you hd to buy the stick and a base separate.
Cost wise. a single Virpile stick will cost the same as two of the NXT evos if you want a stick from virpil with the same feature set or exceed it. They're just not worth it unless you really have cash to burn.
Good looking out and nice review! I honestly slept on them and these in favor of my tried and true T16000's! Might look at them as an upgrade and then step into a better set!
Coming from a pair of T16k's and with a small budget I'm thinking of getting the NXT Evo's and adding in the GNX WW2 Throttle because I don't like using the little encoders for throttle/speedlimiter. The fact that it connects to the sticks means I don't have to upgrade my MNSTRtech chair mounts aside from getting a pair of new plates.
How bad is this middle hump? I tried out the thrustmaster t16000m and it's middle hump was extremely bad for precision. I was very interesting in this stick but not if it has the same critical flaw for near center position accuracy.
Facts on the comment about spend a ton of money and just flying on keyboard . My brother bought a carack and still no sticks. Just seem weird to spend that much on a ship and not have at least a hotas
I am using KB+stick with this one. Its my 1st stick and I love it. Its good enough so that a player can really see if he wants to fly with a stick or not while being cheap enough to afford as an experiment. Using it for a year from time to time, its still in good shape. No issues with the grip. Can hold the base's weight fine. Its the best entry level joystick that will give you full performance of a proper one although with a few bumps here and there and worse durability. Base is too small, I tended to rock it sideways before I got used to it. Center zone is too bumpy. Button central press force too high. But c'on, its waaay better then the competition for the price.
Thanks for this comprehensive review. In most cases, has confirmed my hypotheses based on looking at specs, etc. Pleasantly surprised to hear about the perceived quality of the hat-switches. Rather looking forward to seeing your analysis of the Gunfighters and perhaps a comparison there versus Virpil Alpha Primes w/ CM3 bases :)
Their Z grip is called OMNI THROTTLE and yes you can use a left hand one with the x axis locked (or not) and no spring on the Y axis for throttle input that stays where you put it and still have twist for up/down 6dof
Fair concerns with the sticks, but I've had mine for two years and always pick it up by the grip. I use mine on my desk and switching from space flight to fps i just pick the stick up and set it under my monitor. So, for every SC play session I pick it up by the stick multiple times. I've never had any problems. As far as the value proposition. There is nothing even close to these when it comes to the value they provide. Pretty much the only other sick in that price category is the x52 series. Which is awful. Everything else below them is equally awful. Everything above them is twice the price. If the nxts provide a close experience to those above it at half the price then it seems to be a non brainer for me. I wish virpil would try to make a counter product to them
you've been lucky so far, but one pickup with a slight bit too much force and you'll end up having to repair them. I would definitely recommend not continuing to pick them up that way lol
i wouldn't call Extreme3D a mistake for a budget start. they're $30 US and when combined with an SC starter pack makes for a $105 entry to the game with HOSAS which is already a very high price for just trying out a new game. I think that someone who buys a starter pack, decides they like it, but are on a budget and want to just try HOSAS then the Extreme3D's are a great second with VKB being a natural third step if you decide you really love the game. for someone who buys an Idris or Kraken right in their first year, then yes i agree with you, but for the vast majority of people who spending less than $200 on the game, then VKB's are good second set of sticks as they cost over $250 for a pair.
The sticks I wish I got, instead of my still unopened T16K sticks, as they seemed like a great alternative to the super-budget end. However, I do have very big hands, and I'm rarely able to try before I buy.
It really is not that hard to take these sticks and either find a small metal shop that will work with you, or someone with even a desktop CNC to make the metal replacement parts and do your own upgrade. That is what I did and having my own CNC made it super easy to take the parts, make measurements and then cut out my own aluminum replacement parts for the more prone to breaking components and I have never been happier. Worth noting to I only invested about $70 in aluminum plate and someone hard core enough could even do this with a drill, sander or grinder and a metal blade hacksaw. O you will need a tap and die to thread any needed screw mounts.
T16000 price was so inflated when I started that vkb nxt was the same price (not the premium) Minus shipping (ouch). the thing I hate about mine is the bump that's it so far. Ps I REALLY hate the bump it actually affects accuracy when shooting. I've gotten around this finally after using the left stick moving the craft to lock in the pixel perfect movement necessary to land shots in dogfights
Yeah, that middle bump has to do with the way the cams are actually one per side. It makes it pronounced. The T16000m is very "Bumpless" but dammit, its super cheaply made. Thanks for the comment.
UPDATE: 1. When installing the grip, pay closer attention to use the screws that are included with the base and not the grip. They are slightly larger and will hold better. 2. With this, it is unlikely the grip can separate. 3. My reference to the part wearing out due to use, was reference to an extreme case and a general statement rather than highlighting a specific case. 4. The current version of the NXT base includes ball bearings internally for the gimbal action. 5. and finally, as I said numerous times in the video, ABS plastic is not an indication of cheap construction. TLDR. I think the NXT is a great value, I believe they are built well and are solid performer.
In regards to product design, I would honeslty consider replacing the weakpoint with metal parts.
7:50 - forward: Speaking from experience with these sticks. You need to be careful "which" screws you use to fasten the grip to the base. Contrary to intuitive assumption, the screws for fastening the grip to the base, do NOT come in the grip's box. Yes, there are three screws that come in that box and yes, they "look" like the right size, but they're NOT. You MUST use the screws that come with the BASE. They are only a little bigger, but bite much deeper into the plastic well to give a much firmer and tighter fasten. So much so that you actually need to use a little force to secure it all the way down. Not too much, but plenty for what you should normally expect. So make sure you're using the correct screws from the base and NOT the screws that come with the grip.
The problem with the screws that come with the grip is that they are not labelled and I'm still not entirely sure what they're for, but my best guess is, I think they are spares for the grip's housing. The screws for fastening the grip to the base will be in the Base's box and those will be clearly labelled. I'm a little embarrassed to admit that it took me way too long to figure that out after frustratingly trying to secure the grip to the base with the screws that came with the grip and thinking "these are so loose, how do they expect these to hold firm?". Using the correct screws, I've not had any issues with using this stick and base. And yes, they hold just fine even if picked up by the grip, even if I wouldn't necessarily recommend it out of common sense.
Hope this helps.
Ah that might explain the trouble others had. I used the base screws as well and yup no issues.
My right stick pulled out of the base when I got a bit too excited dogfighting over Jumptown the other weekend. The wire wasn't damaged, but I'm definitely going to have to take it apart and check those screws.
Oufff - i've got to check that immediately on my stick.
@@Jandl009 Chinese.
I broke the included hex driver trying to use those bigger screws to secure the grip to the base. Thankfully, this was my second stick and the smaller ones still fit.
I have HOSAS with these. Worth it.
OK maybe there's better out there, but not for the money your spending. Plus they are available.
They also have an Aussie website now.
I've had them for 2 years of almost constant use, daily play multi hours, only thing I've had to do is replace the occasional spring, 3 so far in total across 2 sticks just plomped on the desk, and I have big hands. They give multiple spares of those in all weights.
Both mine are premiums. I've never had the grip pull out of the base. Ever. Yes I'm the guy who is commenting in the comments.
Sure I'd love some virpils but I also like being married, know what I mean..
Happy too read a comment from someone using them on a daily basis! Got me more calm :) Do they give extra springs in the package or can you order some somewhere?
@@danielschmidt1990 they come with spare 10s 20s and 30s 2 each I think. They are good at responding to queries and they include a couple of spare buttons and stuff.
The numbers are the spring stiffness so you can play around for a light medium or heavy touch.
One of the things I liked about these sticks is the grips are really good for Star Citizen even if plastic. But really, my main concern for the plastic construction is in the base, not the grip. And what I found on the VKB website when I was researching these, is that VKB actually sell conversion kits for to allow you to attach the Space Combat Grip onto their higher end Gunfighter bases. I didn't have the money to go full pelt into their ecosystem from the start, but I really liked the pro-consumer upgrade path and the interoperability they had in their designs. I have EVOs now and I really like them. Although I am still tuning them. But I like them enough that I'm seriously considering upgrading them to the gunfighter bases in the future.
This was my primary reason for getting the NXT originally, the Kosmosima grip is the same one you'd find elsewhere in their catalogue and even prior to the original release they confirmed it would be compatible in the future with said kit. VKB making things adjustable, compatible, upgradeable and so on is a very good reason to support them IMO. I'm not a hardcore player right now in terms of hours, nor am I particularly hard on my gear or super invested in a sim rig yet, so it fits the bill in terms of quality at the price and pure usability...I'd personally never advise even a beginner get anything less after using them for a few months with the inexpensive upgrade to the EVO bases in the interim. Once I'm able to and the time is right, I'll also very likely pick up the Gunfigher bases for the final upgrade.
@@flockofwildcactus I have had dual GF3 and Kosmosima Pro's for over a year now and I literally can't stand flying any other way now, especially with the Omni throttle adapter.
@@eltreum1 Exactly! When I get the new bases, I'd also get the OmniThrottle kit to try as well, I'm hearing good things 😊
I've had my NXTs since Oct of 21 and have been very happy with them. I had neither the bankroll to go Virpil, nor the space to have a dedicated rig to mount them right. I just have an office chair and desk, and have to use that desk for a multitude of tasks. I fly in SC multiple times per week, sometimes every day, and I've had zero issue with them. Just as accurate with no drift as when I bought them. SOMEday I'll get a full Virpil setup going, but for now the NXTs have been great.
Best thing about these sticks is that if you decide you really like the grip and want the nxts bigger brother you can buy the gunfighter III base plus nxt conversion kit and upgrade the gladiator to the gunfighter when you have the money. Freakin great products
After going through 2 z-axis failures on a dual TM T16000M setup in just six months I took the leap up to the NXT Gladiator Premiums and was blown away at the quality at this price point. They are SOOO much better and it's been over a year without a single issue. I don't play enough to justify the budget for serious high end sticks so the NXT's were a perfect middle ground and I'd never go back to a cheaper stick again. These sticks are a perfect compromise, IMO.
I have such fond memories of the T16000Ms, but they were literally my first and only experience using a dual stick setup. Had an absolutely blast.
Now looking to get back into the game and my T16000Ms have been collecting dust for years, so definitely time to upgrade.
I have to disagree with you about the sticks being only people that don't use it much. I have used mines for more than 12h gaming daily on more than 1 occasion and in almost 2 years nothing has broken and works wonderfully. I will keep my opinion that it's not worth it to buy virprils for what you get. Just because a product is plastic doesn't mean it is bad because this is actually premium plastic no cheap plastic like the T16ks. Those are pure garbage and i broke 4 of them in a month...
I understand your opinion. My point was… compared to others, these will wear you quicker. Oiled metal cams, vs greased ABS. It’s just physics DF. I am happy you commented and offered this feedback.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yes it is but that doesn't mean that the product is bad. Besides that you have to consider that not everyone is able to spend 1k on a virpril set and why would you spend 1k plus wait over a month when you can get get a product that in terms of price plus / quality is 10x better than virpril and where they out of the box offer you tons of spares and good support plus only wait 1 or 2 weeks max which virpril just doesn't do
@@DF-fg1cz it isn’t bad, but is worse than others if you compare it against them. Objectively, not in value per money spend.
And the point is, that he tries to give people a basis they can make an informed purchase decision on.
If you play sc a lot, and can afford something with a cam profile and metal gimbal, you probably want to invest a bit more into it, at least for the right hand.
The chance that stuff will break is also a lot higher, and the way the spring is attached to the NXT is a lot more fragile than either gunfighter or warbrd base.
Does that mean that it WILL break for sure? No, ofc not. You might be careful with it, knowing that it’s not a metal piece.
But not everyone buying an NXT is aware how many compromises VKB had to come up with to make such a great device at such a low price.
This is something that seems to be ignored in almost all vids about the Gladiator, mostly probably because they are made by people who haven’t used metal gimbal sticks before.
Premium plastic hahahahaha ABS? PC?
@@AgnosiaAgnosis ABS is one of the best polymers available for this sort of thing.
I'm so glad you've reviewed these. I own these as a pair and I have never looked back perfect for surfing the verse!
It's a cheap yet worthwhile level to enjoy Star Citizen.
Glad you like them! and thanks for the comment. They are perfectly good for the money.
Couldn't have said it better, best value for the money!
Fantastic review! Your last point is exactly what I did - I was coming from mouse and keyboard and wanted to test out dual sticks without spending a boatload of money AND by getting a decent product. My NXTs did just that. Agreed with everything in this video. THANK YOU!!
I have an NXT and adore it. I use it with a t16 throttle and it's great for the next 5 years of alpha for the PU.
switched to this from a t16000m, very happy with that choice and a great step up in value. agree with everything said here
A solid upgrade patch for sure.
I'm still sporting the T16000m and about to do the exact same thing as you just did. Did you find the placement of switches and change of keybinds to be much of a learning curve?
@@tripperdan not at all, took a bit to figure out how i wanted to bind it exactly but thats a given. swapped out the default springs for the softer ones though. bit annoyed that you can't change the detend when centering the stick but whatever
@@McHox awesome, thx McHox
Finally someone talking about these sticks. I've been sitting on edge forever.
Was recommended this to me whilst watching a video from CrimsonGamer (an Elite TH-camr), lost my X-56 HOTAS when I moved out of Florida (lost apartment to roommates, kicked out of friend's family house, fun times and ones I hope to leave behind in 2022!) and he spoke of the VKBs, so I figured I'd go to the one man I trust on joystick knowledge, and I was not disappointed!
In the future I'd love to move to VIRPRILs, but going from a HOTAS to a HOSAS, I want to give the VKBs their run. I don't play Elite everyday (that home improvement sales associate life, yo) so wear 'n tear won't be an issue, however to see how they fair up with (careful!) LAN party transportation and of course some FA-Off Elite combat will be a true testament.
Thank you for making this review video, I think I got my sights set!
I've had the pre-evo version of these for a couple years now with the premium grips. I'm not a daily player, and I don't play rough. This replaced an X55 stick/throttle that was nearly dead after 6 years of mild use. I will step up to virpil alphas in a couple years when I can play more consistently - because the alphas look like the type of stick I'd like to have as far as SC is concerned. I am very much into the bindings and want to keep my fingers off the keyboard as much as possible. (I've been thinking about a custom keyboard design for a while too, I'm that kind of nerd)
I lifted my left hand stick once. I think i used the screws that came with the stick and not the base. But it didn't lift completely "out" so I was able to reseat it with no damage to the wire. Point to point though? The sticks are *very* consistent and very accurate. Thumb sticks work well but I wish I could get better curves on them. Calibration is nice and doesn't drift once set. All in all, I was very, very pleased with the set and I see someone who takes care of these (ie putting a little grease on the plastic every once in a while after use) and keeping them clean and dust free getting, many, many years of use out of them as a primary control set... and once you move up to better sticks, being able to use these as a solid set of backup sticks or for having a second gaming station for friends to use when they come over for a visit.
I've been using a set of "GNX EVO Omni Throttle w/ SCG Left Premium" and a "Gladiator NXT EVO ‘Space Combat Edition’ w/ SCG Premium Right grip" for over a month now and... Well VKB needs to work on their product names, but, I am very satisfied with them. Other than to say, I ended up going for the 45" tilt "omni throttle" variant for my left hand, over the straight up and down version, for a more intuitive throttle feel for my simple brain to more easily grasp the complexity of space flight. And I would recommend the slight increase in cost, for the more intuitive set up.
Beyond that, my thoughts align with what was said so no need be redundant, HOWEVER. I think a few aspects were glossed over in this review. One being the depth and complexity of the software. If you follow VKBs start up guides, it will go smoothly and simply. Yet, what I feel sets these aside from other sticks in the "sub $1,000 a set" category is the ability to customize every input in every way you could think of. It is NOT user friendly however, most of the modifiers do not have explanations of what they do, so you'll have to do some reading to know not only what you're looking at, but, how to take advantage of it, but all of this is to say, the functionality runs deep.
And another point missed that I see value in, is the additional modules VKB makes, that can be integrated directly into the base of these sticks by removing the side panels and plugging them into the sticks board, to make one larger device with still only needing to run one cable. Although I haven't tried these modules, if these sticks hold up over the coming months, I look forward to getting even more capability out of these sticks, when I upgrade the bases with additional modules, and will be able to bind all necessary control binds, and will be able to forget the original key board based ones for good.
A set of Gladiators goes for about the same price as a single complete Virpil. Although you can't expect full metal construction, for half the price I feel as though you get well over 90% of the features. Once again, very satisfied with my purchase, and, have no problem recommending them.
I was running Saitek's X45 HOTAS for mechwarrior back around 2004 or so. Used it for star citzen until about last year. The electricals got byorked due to age and power would flicker off and on and randomly give maxed throttle position inputs, a little hard to low fly or dog fight with that. I loved that HOTAS setup simply because of how long it lasted for me, and the memories with time. I have since moved up to twin NXT's. They've made low flying on planets and dog fighting much more enjoyable. If they last half as long as the old X45's I'll be pleased with the value they've provided.
I've got a little cash put aside for some higher end gear for when I can justify it to myself by playing more frequently. For now I'm just pleased with how HOSAS feels.
There is metal on the main axis', ball bearings. The original NXT was plastic on plastic for friction points.
I rock Dual VKB NXT Pre's, love them. Bang for buck, they feel on point. To me they feel premium af, so I can't imagine what Virpils feel like... 😅
much different!! I don't have Virpils (i have these NXTs and they're great!), but I did try them and the feel is... very premium. hahah!
I've tried Virpils and yes, they feel nicer, but NOT EVEN CLOSE to 2x-3x nicer. I have no desire to upgrade from my dual NXTs at all
I love my NXT; wish I had more time to fly. It's around 18 months old now. Never had a problem with it. This stick is as robust and accurate as the day I purchased it. As a flight simmer rather than space simmer the clutch actually helps ease loads on the wrist making it very comfortable over long periods.
Hooray! The Great Noob has come down to the peasants to sample our wares 😁. The hero we don't deserve. Jokes aside, solid review as always! I went with what I feel is a great compromise - Virpil right stick and NXT Omni left.
I've had my NXT since the first batch (non EVO) came out almost 2 years ago. It's seen a lot of hard use with Star Wars Squadrons, and almost daily use with DCS. I never had any issues with the stick pulling out of the base. I suggest anyone who buys one to watch the quick setup video on VKB's YT channel, as it shows very clearly which screws to use.
Glad you are giving VKB some love. I use the NXT, and really enjoy them.
I've been eyeing these for a while but going from the North American website to the Australian website there is a nearly $100 mark up on top of the conversion rate.
$165 USD = $246 AUD
The price listed on the VKB Australian website is $325 AUD + shipping on top of it. If its Australian stock I understand that there are import fees but I'm not sure if it even is, or if it's a bit of a money grab with the price jump.
I've been using a pair of those since december 2022. Never had an issue with pretty intensive usage. They offer a lot of binds, are very comfy to use on the long run and are a nobrainer at this price point, beating the T16k by a mile. I'm moving up the foodchain this month for a pair of Virpils WrBrd + Constellation Alpha because I want more precision and more options, the plastic base of the EVO gives a rugged and "sticky" feel and I want a less pronounced center bump.
It doesn't lessen the fact that the VKBs are an incredibly good value option for midrange simmers that don't want to spend 1k on their joystic setup. Enjoy.
Great to see you reviewing some vkb gear. For the gunfighters I hope you take a look at the MCGU since it’s one of the best grips currently on the market.
That is sitting on my bench for review
One other point about the materials of the stick, and they don't advertise this enough on any of their pages, so you aren't to blame for missing it, but all of the mobile components in the base aren't just made of durable ABS, but fiberglass reinforced ABS, making it considerably stronger than normal plastic, allowing the sticks to bear more force than their less expensive counterparts, although metal would still be stronger.
I thought the review hit many valuable points, was rich in worthy opinion that linked to applicable items considered at this price range and was a fair assessment. Great job! 👍
I have had these for a year and they are a dream to use. so much now, that I hesitate to switch. just great sticks all around.
Mine are in the mail! Upgrading from 3D Pro. These are the best my budget permits rn. I'm not going to miss key controlled throttle!!
you won't be disappointed!
I use the NXT with 3 modules, and I have also used virpil. I honestly prefer the VKB. As does my buddy who uses one of each constantly in dual stick. These sticks are great
What virpil? Why u like these better?
@@AgnosiaAgnosis Alpha. The Alpha just felt loose and sloppy to me, even when adjusting it. Also, weirdly enough, the actual alpha sticks felt kind of cheap to me, while the plastics used in the NXT feel really solid and the action on the stick feels really tight which i like, and its also physically smaller which makes it, in my opinion, much easier to get to all of the buttons. Plus you can do some really cool stuff like connect all of the modules to it to make some really unique flight panels. I used to mount these to my chair with monster tech chair mounts, but that was just super inconvenient unless you only use that chair and PC for SC and flight games. I use my PC 90% of the time for something else so they just got in the way. So now my set up is two sticks, and 3 panels all mounted together and i put a USB hub on the back of the vertical flight panel i mounted and when I want to play SC, I just slap it on my table and plug in 1 cable and im good to go. and I have all the buttons and throttle sticks i can ask for. All for less than the price of 1 alpha grip and base.
@@pikkon38 wow sweet sounding setup. I refuse to give China more than a couple bucks. I have the alpha prime otw . What base did you use the warthog?
@@AgnosiaAgnosis Base for what? The NXT comes with its own base. The alpha base I used was the warBRD I think.
@@pikkon38 that's what I meant warbird
I'd bought the standard edition Gladiator NXT when it first came out and have about 300-400 hours in, maybe more. It still centers exactly, and I mean exactly(!!) to the point and so far I've never had to put in even a small artificial deadzone. It even survived my own stupidity on one occasion, when I was rather "forcibly" dismantling the grip due to what turned out had just been a software issue which now has been resolved, thanks to the support guy who sent me a beta driver. That and apart from the slighty bent base plate, which isn't an issue using a mount or a small screw clamp (though they surely would have sent a free replacement, had I asked for it) I've never had any issues. Coming from joysticks of wider known brands and even similar or higher price range, it's precision, feel and sturdieness, not to mention the exchangeable buttons and hats etc., should one break someday, truly is a game changer and my next stick will very likely also be a VKB one!
very nice review. i have dual nxt premiums and simply love them. i moved up from from twin t16ks. i am usually very smooth on gear so up to now all is good. with Canadian conversion, import charges they were the best choice for me. leaves me until game release to get better ones :)
Thanks for sharing. Im sure these will last and obviously be superior to keyboard and mouse.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 After speaking to some of the top PvP pilots out there (most of them using VKB NXT'S btw) I came to the conclusion that dual stick is indeed the way to go but it doesn't have to be Virpil. Though there is talk about the "meta" being stick for movement and mouse for aim. Never tried it myself but I can see why it's said and might give that a try since my aim with sticks is horrible, then again I don't have NXT's, yet.
@@arnoldnym2466 HOSAM
I have been looking at VKB for bout a year now. Thanks for the video and I appreciate ur insider's/experience in this equipment. I always wanted some unbiased opinion of VKB.👍
Another great feature for these is the grips can be removed and put on the Gladiators if you choose to upgrade, allowing you to just buy the base.
I'm very happy with my NXTs, which I bought a year ago after building my first pc. But I know myself and I know I am starting to trick myself into going highend sooner than later. This video helped me cement that desire :)
Such nice sticks. I bought the GLADIATOR NXT EVO ‘SPACE COMBAT EDITION’ left and right versions. I must say, omg what a great sticks and they operate smooth and it all feels as a pro. Not like the cheep Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Hotas, but they are good to start with.
I'm planning to get me the VKB rudders as well and maybe some more in the future also ;-)
Also, it would be nice to mention that with an omni throttle configuration, this set can play any flight Sims (space or atmospheric) very competently, with an unsprung Y axis and Omni Throttle on my left I play DCS, Ace combat, everspace 2, star scamizen, project wingman, Mechwarrior, IL-2 series, really any HOTAS game. It's a wonderful cheap solution to cover all your hotas needs, imo.
But I did get a Stream Deck for a button box in DCS, other than that I've had 0 issues mapping everything I need to the sticks where I want. Without ever having to touch a keyboard except to text chat.
Just wish they had an encoder and a break lever on the sticks (not base) like the alphas, can't get everything for a bargain, I suppose. 😂
You could bump you main hand to a gunfighter and Modern combat grip and sell your gladiator to recuperate some cost. But I’d love to see the gladiators with an option for the modern combat grip from the get go.
@@lostnwalmart9110 I'd REALLY love a modern combat grip b/c i mostly fly MiG/Su in DCS. I'm honestly, kind of debating the winwing f16 low tier throttle, but want to wait for VKBs to drop, I can deal with SteamDeck+Gladiator for now, but yeah GF/MCG is def on my radar
@@lostnwalmart9110 also, having trouble selling an NXT I already have after upgrading my Left to an EVO Omni, but can't get any buyers. It was lightly used for like 2 months, lol
@@lilbippy7691 Damn sorry to hear that figured people would be all over some good value gear, especially if they don't have to pay vkb shipping costs haha.
@@lostnwalmart9110 yeah, I guess I just don't know where to sell them, they're up on a few hots discords and local Craigslist, etc
I've had mine for around 2 years and it still functions like it's brand new. I've got over 2,000 hours in DCS with it. I've used it in Star citizen but mainly have stuck to mouse and keyboard since at the moment I've only had a hotas setup paired with a virpil mongoose cm3. HOTAS is less than ideal for 6 degrees of movement. I've upgraded to a gunfighter mk4 ultimate and need to buy a left handed grip for the NXT. I can see me breaking it eventually in Star citizen as you have to use quick change of directions for front, back, and side to side thrust inputs. A real flight Sim like dcs doesn't really require quick, constant, and abrupt changes of direction so I'm curious to how long it will hold up.
My NXT premium has most certainly served me flawlessly. It's very precise for a cheap stick with very direct and tactile hat switches and a pretty great analog axis
Thank you for this review @TheNOOBIFIER1337 I'm looking forward to your VKB Gunfighter Mk. III review and the comparison.
Like many others I'm using two T16000m right now and want to upgrade later this year. The three joysticks I have in mind are the NXT Evo SCG, the Gladiator Mk. III and the Virpil Constellation Alpha.
I would highly appreciate, if you could compare the pros and cons of these joysticks in the future, because I think many people also have these joysticks in mind, when upgrading or buying new joysticks. Thank you very much and have a great day.
this seems perfect though for EVERYTHING in MSF 2020. Thank you for the review AND the UPDATE comment. Cheers!
@noob I don't actually think there is a hard detent (or detent at all, soft if anything), I think what you're experiencing is a mismatch in the dampeners, because the Y axis actually had TWO dampeners with 2 SEPERATE adjustment screws, one on the top half and one on the bottom half, causes a shift in resistance as you pass through it if you only adjust one, this can make it feel like it has a harder detent than is actually there. I have a hard time telling center without a spring on my left Evo omni throttle, because my resistence on both are very similar to each other.
I honestly didn't think there is any detent and just the springs returned the stick to neutral... I could be wrong though, I'm sure you have much more experience with this sort of thing...
There is, however only 1 dampener on the x axis, so only 1 screw and 1 resistance level to adjust and no change in resistance moving left to right as there is front to back.
Anyway, great videos! Love to see vkb get the love the deserve and you have to push them for more info on their dedicated throttle we are all salivating for!
The way there are two cams, one on each side connected to the springs, it will always have a transition bump. It is a way to make cheaper, simple return. I appreciate your taking the time to comment.
No problems if you have Big Hands and remove the Palm Rest Rubber completely! I have used the Warthog - Will never go back to it (except still using the Trottle). This one feels more precise, much more! And it includes a very exact and easy to use Twist. If it breaks some day (using it extensively for a year) I will buy the same again or repair it myself. The best table stick I ever had.
Good review. I like that you discussed some of your opinions being based on your coming from higher end equipment. I've been using a pair of SCGs on the Gunfighter III base for some time now and have been very pleased. I look forward to your future reviews.
Thanks for the support
Well there is something you need to consider, everyone else that dosn't live in the US or EU. For you guys these might be a more premium entry level, but for us, that's our consumer dream and top of the line achievement. Just so you have an idea, a set of these will cost as much as 1 month of rent and I live in an expensive area. Kind of sad actually hearing someone calling something that I aspire to purchase with great effort as entry, but hey, it's the truth not mad about it, just sad.
I make good money, and am quite happy to spend it on pointless crap when I feel like it, but even I can't justify £1000+ on joysticks and mounts. I've got it, the money is there, but fuck that it's simply too much for what I need.
Can we play for Xbox Series x? Thanks.
I know pilots that liked the NXTs and they have companion control panels you can bolt together to make a whole custom control bar. The software is about as powerful as VIrpil's and some support color coded layers so you could have hundreds of controls. Like the higher end stuff, you are expected to open them and mess with things and they sell parts and upgrade kits for some things with good guides on their YT channel. I bought the Gunfighter 3's with the Kosmosima Pro grips and love them, and the Omni grip made them even better. The Pro comes with parts to let you mod the grip buttons and hats and all the cams/springs available are included. IMO if you can't get Virpil for some where you live due to import issues or cost the VKB lines are a great meeting in the middle for a step up from basic gear and touches into the important features of the high-end stuff like metal parts and mag sensors with serviceable assemblies on the top lines.
I bought them to replace my T16000 HOTAS. Best decision ever.
It's not cheap but you can feel the quality, even if it's plastic.
Thanks for this video. I know this is 5months old now, but there isn't a ton of recent content on these and this helped greatly on my decision to "pull the trigger" on a pair of these. I can't afford the higher end stuff without saving for a very long time, but was able to get two of these after a month and a half. Hopefully they can hold up to my strong casual star citizen gameplay.
I've had mine for 3 years and I love them no issues and play every day
You can actually use epoxy on those screws without making it permanent. Put some epoxy in each hole before you put the screws in and then put grease or even show polish on the screws and make sure you cover it all. Then screw it in and once cured just loosen the screws half a turn, then re tighten. I've used this same method one screws and epoxy quite a bit for other hobbies I'm in and it has always worked.
There is also that the sticks themselves are so inexpensive that simply gluing them has minimal risk. If you break it or it fails, just replace
Loved the video. You hit the nail on the head and I’m glad you gave them an honest try. I am quite enamored with them as a Segway to something bigger and better later. I am sure both NXT and Virpil will have newer better stuff by the time when SC when goes live. The NXTs are my alpha sticks. Their longevity will likely be a big factor in how long the remain the key part of my kit.
I really feel they are great and certainly as I said in the video, destroy the low end of the market.
Just sucks that my right stick has a factory issue (that I can repair myself, but I can't be bothered yet). Something to do with the magnetic sensor on the Y axis not being properly secured.
Edit: I'm talking about the previous generation, GNXT. Not Evo.
I'm not yet sold on the HOSAS setup, but I'm a current user of a HOTAM setup, with a CH pro Throttle on my left hand (modded to have a center stop) and a mouse on my right.
I've been considering the NXT Omni for a while now, for which the center stop won't be a problem, but a feature. They seem to be in the right spot for my needs.
I love my nxt didn't realize it had that top right front button until your video lol.
I couldn't justify a thousand in sticks for a $45 MR. I picked up a pair of Premium NXTs last year and I reckon they're still probably the best value around if you don't have Virpil money. I highly recommend finding a button template for each stick and printing them out to place under your monitor so you can keep your binds straight as you're learning. Also, HCS is relatively cheap for a solution that can offload a lot of the commands so that you can keep your hands on the sticks. I still use it for power management (when my hands are generally rather busy) and for non-combat functions that are less-often used.
Since my Evo had two sets of grip screws (one longer, one shorter) and VKB advised to use the shorter ones, this is what I did. Never had the grip feel like it would separate and it's been on there very solidly since I got this stick back in March. And that's with an hour or two minimum of daily use. All in all, this thing feels rather solid to me (KG-12/WW2 grip) and, from an end-user perspective, I'd put it up there with my MS SW FF2 when it comes to build quality and materials used. And my FF2 is still in perfect condition after well over a decade of regular use.
The only things I miss about the FF2 is its ability to disable spring force on the fly by removing my finger from the FF sensor on the grip and its ability to be used on the desktop without any sort of velcro or other aid. Its large footprint and high weight made that possible. The Evo's base is neither heavy nor large enough to stay stable under all conditions on the desktop - I had to "nail it down" to my desk with velcro before I bought a mount for it.
Thanks, I believe my issue was I tested the base for about 15 minutes when I first started, found them to be good, and then switched to monstertech. I didn’t really push the sticks to the limit when they were mounted to the included base, so it is great there are those 4 holes.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yup... it sure is. On a side note re mounts: I went Gunfighter last week but had the Evo mounted on a VKB short mount. Which I kinda, sorta would rather recommend for central mounting the Evo because VKB's GL adapter-plate allows you to rotate the stick (in its entirety) left and right. Rotating it left as far as it would go made flying central stick a lot more comfortable IMO. Waited several weeks for VKB EU to restock the GL mount because I wanted that feature and I don't think you can rotate the stick on a Monstertech - though I could be wrong there. :)
@@1SaG the holes are oval, so yes you can rotate about 35deg.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Oops... guess I could've gone Monstertech after all... lol. Thanks for the info!
I just got this on the recommendation that it was good for petite and or small hands seeing as I'm 5'2 glad your analysis seems to align with most of the recommendations I was getting. Great channel, subbed. This is simply entry level for me, as I do plan on upgrading later but I didn't want to break the bank and not like a hobby than slowly build my way into. That being said, looking forward to getting back into simming again since I haven't done any of it since the good ol days of Falcon 4.0 and Top Gun: Fire At Will. Great!
Awesome review, I agree more or less with everything you brought forward. I myself decided to go with these sticks (my left is the omni throttle version though) for the simple reason that, I had been away from SC/Elite and really any flight sim for quite a number of years, probably since 2016-2017, and I wasn't 100% sure if I'd stick to it long term. Value for the money with the evo's is great. They're far an above the general entry point with the thrustmaster t16000's for example, they feel decent, and get the job done. Another thing I appreciate with the evo's is the modularity. I can very quickly and easily change out the analog stick for example to a hat if I want, or if down the road I want to upgrade but without having to purchase an entirely new set, I can simply get the gunfighter gimbals and transfer the grips. I agree they're nowhere near as smooth as an all metal gimbal with a cam to your liking like par with the virpils, but for what they are, they preform perfectly fine, and I'll use these any day over my old 16000's or even my old warthog Hotas. I also quite appreciate their software and what it can allow you to do with the sticks and how customizable they can be. Like making the analog stick function as a mouse so I can click on switches in the cockpit on the fly if I want to do so without taking my hands off the sticks to hold F.
As always great video, great insight, and most importantly no bullshit to be found haha
Cheers!
Thanks very much. How do you like using Omni?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I have to say I love it. All the benefits of a stick, but in the feel of a throttle. Typically most throttle have all their buttons/switches on the base, in this case they're all available (minus the very few obviously on the base with the VKB's) on the grip still. You get access to all the axis just like a normal straight stick, but in a very comfortable neutral position for the wrist. I would say the main thing that will throw some folks off, it did me for a couple hours, is the twist action if you use it. Instead of the typical twist left/right feel, it's a twist up/down now as the grip is angled side way. Another thing I like, and this may lead me to getting an omni right, is how the leverage works on the base. The grip sitting technically lower, I noticed when not mounted, I had a lot less occurrences of accidentally tipping the base to the side when making any stronger aggressive movements on the grip to the left/right. The biggest aspect for me though is, as mentioned, how neutral it keeps your wrists, it is extremely comfortable like that for me personally.
To add to this, as you mentioned in this review, you can also lock the axis with the plate and use the clutch tension to basically make yourself a true throttle but with the benefits of the buttons primarily being grip located, for those that prefer that sensation.
Long standing SC player ( 2.4) been playing with KB/M the whole time... watched an older video you did with the logi 3d pros... ( before nxts and such) I wanted to see if I really felt it was that much different.. so i bought 2 sticks and wow the difference even with crap-tastic 35 dollar sticks. after 1 night of flight with these sticks I then looked up more of your review videos.. falling onto the Virpil Alpha Primes... needless to say I bought a R & L set with WarBRD bases.. and its really down to your review. I was already interested but your review put the nail in the coffin for me that the extra price would be worth it. And i was not wrong. Its amazing and a whole new game... in the end what im basically saying is THANK YOU for your extensive reviews , as im sure im not alone in you being the decider on a purchase of great monetary value :)
I recently got the t16km dual pack as my first step into dual sticks, or any sticks for that matter, for star citizen.
Always had virpil or vkb as an endgoal setup when/if I got used to sticks vs kb&m.
First 2-3 evenings of flying was just trying to wrap my head round what axis does what, after roughly a month I am feeling more at home with sticks and I am noticing some issues with the t16km's, specifically the VERY pronounced and harsh center bump.
You might as well use keyboard to fine adjust your heading or aim..
I have tried the cable tie mod to the springs on the sticks, amd while it significantly reduces the bump, it only results in drifting and I cannot calibrate it away.
How does these vkb's compare to the t16km's in relation to force required to move them and the center bump?
Now that I feel more confident in dual sticks, I am annoyed over the lack of control and precision with the t16km's.
After wasting money on two t.16000m's only to find out they have a massive center bumps, The tflight hotas one/4 controller with the rudder pedals is the best for starting in my opinion as they are great for console and have a smaller bump, though I personally recommend finding a stronger custom spring for the rudder pedals and also suggest buying third party parts for the throttle if you hate it's INTENTIONAL center bump.
I bought a T16000M HOTAS kit a number of years ago, and man, it's just bad. The throttle suffered stiction when trying to make small adjustments, too many of the controls are on the throttle rather than the stick, the stick started producing spurious rotation signals after minimal use, and the stick is just too large (and it's not like I have small hands). Until it broke, I had better experiences with an old Saitek AV8R stick.
I've been getting into X4 lately, so last week I ordered a single NXT Evo SCG, as it seems to be better in every possible way. Looking forward to it turning up. If I like it, I may add an omni-throttle in the future.
+BrianMP5T *The Virtual Engineering Bureau MPO has a closer approach than VirPil Controls to the HOSAS at the WSO station in the Boeing F-18 Delta/Foxtrot.* The dual Space Combat Grips are also available in the Gunfighter MkIII Series.
Thanks so much for this in-depth show of the nxts.
I got two Gladiator NXTs for when Alpha 3.14 came out and I've absolutely loved them. They work absolutely seamlessly with Star Citizen, just takes a bit of setting up keybinds between them but once you get your binds into a comfortable place, these things rock. Can't recommend this line of flight sticks enough
Bit late to the game but I bought a single T16000m years ago when they were priced much cheaper, amazon ca tells me I payed December 1, 2014 Total $57.48 and this is in CAD not USD and played elite dangerous for years with this stick daily for hours doing combat in my vulture and some space trucking etc its still works great, uses the same Mars sensors and was the defacto best entry stick to buy...the issue is because they were so popular the price of these skyrocketed over the years...so my point is if you can find some used t1600m for like 20$ or 40$ cad they are still very much worth it.
I would say, to anyone who is seriously considering buying hardware at £150 - £300 (or more) they will watch the whole video and appreciate the effort you put in the review. They will likely buy them over most other entry level sticks (like I did).
I have these sticks, and you taught me things about them.
Thanks for watching to the end. They are great sticks for the money, no problem.
I bought dual NXT EVO Premiums and loved them. Stepped up my game and bought right SCG Gunfighter and noticed how much more smoother the metal cams were!!!
The metal is fantastic
These are premium sticks - Virpils are for old guys with way to much money. I had mine for 2 years greats sticks but 2 of these will cost you a pretty penny £400-£450 when you also include postage and the omni extension. Also these sticks won't break - I totally disagree with you on that one and that's with 2 years HEAVY use. You shouldn't be lifting any stick straight up.
No, they are Entry Level. That would be like saying "Toyota Echo" is Premium... What would you call an AUDI RS6 then? "Super Duper Premium"? lol
@@NOOBIFIER1337 he is a bit extreme but he is right. It always depends on the perspective and you have a lot of experience and probably a lot higher niveau of what you consider premium. Love your vids
@@NOOBIFIER1337 The actual product is named that, we'll the premium version. Lol. I think this video has made more people look at more expensive sticks when there's really no need. These sticks are perfect. Use any extra money on other hardware like tracking or a better monitor first before blowing the lot on Virpils.
When is the last time you've driven a Toyota echo
@@NOOBIFIER1337 that last comment is dripping in elitism and condescension. Be better.
Went from T16000M (with TWCS) to one Gunfighter 3 Ultimate...zero regret. It has amazing fidelity of control and comes with all the cam pieces and springs to tune it.
Waiting for VKB to release TECS, as the thumb joystick is precisely what I need for strafing. I thought about getting the NXT with Omni/Gunfighter...so tempting...but I prefer the traditional sliding throttle, which means I'll have to wait a while. I've modified the TWCS to be as good as it can get and that will have to do.
one thing to consider its not really 300 shipping to north America is around 60 dollars add tax depending on your state makes these more a 400 dollar package but they do have alot of compatibility with games ranging from star citizen, arma 3, dcs, elite dangerous and more. which cant be said for all the units more expensive or in the same price bracket.
Order them from VKB USA instead.
Exactly what I've been looking into, perfect timing. Thanks, Noob! Hope to pick up a set of these to start moving away from Mouse/Keyboard play.
Looks like a pretty decent stick for the money. Virpils look to be much more solidly built, albeit for more money (I have two Deltas at present). As I've mentioned before though, I want the stick itself to act as a joystick (i.e. spring-centered), but I _really_ want some sort of throttle control* _on_ the stick. Having it on the base is mostly useless, because you need to take your hand off the stick to use it. Having it on the stick means that you can instantly set it to whatever value you want, without your needing to hold it there. Star Citizen speed limiters and mining lasers (not to mention accel limiter) benefit greatly from this.
I have a theory that joystick manufacturers refuse to add this to their sticks, because they feel it would detract from their throttle sales. But if one did, they would immediately win my loyalty. If a manufacturer made a modular system that would allow me to attach whatever controls I wanted in a fixed set of places on the stick, even better.
*Slider, rotary control, or single-axis non-centering thumbstick, whatever...but it should be operable with one thumb, should operate as an axis/analog control, and should stay where you set it.
The mini wheel on Alpha and Delta somewhat do this function for many. I appreciate your comment and insight.
Nice gear for the price. I like that these are sort of in between. Cant justify the cost of the better units yet.
I own the old NXT without the dry clutches.
I have played through the entirety of TIE Fighter's DOS CD rom edition on medium difficulty plus many bouts of X-wing vs Tie Fighter, Descent, Overload, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw, Freespace, X-wing Alliance, Project Wingman, Ace Combat 7, etc. and am currently going through Wing Commander and expansions with it.
Some of these games are much harder on a stick than Star Citizen (the TIE Fighter/X-wing games in particular necessitate to yank the stick in opposite directions to evade enemy fighters and Wing Commander uses an afterburner slide that also requires to yank the stick very hard in one direction) so any worry about solidity is misplaced, the bump compared to old CH Products sticks is negligible and frankly I never minded it in the first place.
I still got the T16000m because it is the most affordable to get when the throttle and pedals are bundled together, and I want to get basic muscle memory set in. It can also be used as a backup if the primary stick fails, or used as a second stick.
I have had no problems with my NXTs. Much better Sticks that the 3d extreme pro. I could not afford the really high end sticks. I love that I can buy any part to fix my stick. What I understand is that I can upgrade to the Gun fighter base. Then latter get a gun fighter stick. I am not sure if it is worth upgrading like this so any thoughts you have on piece meal upgrading would be very helpful.
I am happy things worked out like that
Thanks! Still hoping you can review the Gunfighter with MCG Ultimate as most reviews of the MCG are of the plastic pro version. With the Constellation Alpha Prime out the MCG Ultimate (with Z axis module) seems like it would be the main competitor and curious how it compares on Gunfighter base to Virpil. No left handed version of the MCG is a downer but the Kosmosima grips as a left-hand option at least have a good button layout.
I have that grips as well. It will be reviewed after the SCG
can you turn the ministick push function into just a button and not a cycle between hat and ministick?
Just ordered one of these to use as a combo with a throttle. I chose these cuz they were supposedly a step up from the x52 I am using. I was looking into virpil until I learned you hd to buy the stick and a base separate.
I want to test Omni Next
Cost wise. a single Virpile stick will cost the same as two of the NXT evos if you want a stick from virpil with the same feature set or exceed it. They're just not worth it unless you really have cash to burn.
same same.. just started using mine.. ( x52 is going to be a hand me down )
Where did you get the rig where you mounted the joystics and keyboard etc? And, next question, are there any cheeper variants of these as well? :p
Monstertech
Good looking out and nice review! I honestly slept on them and these in favor of my tried and true T16000's! Might look at them as an upgrade and then step into a better set!
What's the difference with the Evo version? What did they improve?
Coming from a pair of T16k's and with a small budget I'm thinking of getting the NXT Evo's and adding in the GNX WW2 Throttle because I don't like using the little encoders for throttle/speedlimiter. The fact that it connects to the sticks means I don't have to upgrade my MNSTRtech chair mounts aside from getting a pair of new plates.
How bad is this middle hump? I tried out the thrustmaster t16000m and it's middle hump was extremely bad for precision. I was very interesting in this stick but not if it has the same critical flaw for near center position accuracy.
The middle hump IMO is too pronounced on NTX.
Facts on the comment about spend a ton of money and just flying on keyboard . My brother bought a carack and still no sticks. Just seem weird to spend that much on a ship and not have at least a hotas
I am using KB+stick with this one. Its my 1st stick and I love it. Its good enough so that a player can really see if he wants to fly with a stick or not while being cheap enough to afford as an experiment. Using it for a year from time to time, its still in good shape. No issues with the grip. Can hold the base's weight fine. Its the best entry level joystick that will give you full performance of a proper one although with a few bumps here and there and worse durability.
Base is too small, I tended to rock it sideways before I got used to it. Center zone is too bumpy. Button central press force too high. But c'on, its waaay better then the competition for the price.
For $300 and with a history of lasting 2+ years that ain't bad.
Thanks for this comprehensive review. In most cases, has confirmed my hypotheses based on looking at specs, etc. Pleasantly surprised to hear about the perceived quality of the hat-switches.
Rather looking forward to seeing your analysis of the Gunfighters and perhaps a comparison there versus Virpil Alpha Primes w/ CM3 bases :)
Thanks, the review will be first and then the comparison will be part of joystick fight
Dang so that means I can't attach this to a z grip to make it more like a throttle? Cause that would be awesome.
You can, I will be doing a review on that in the future. It IS an option
Their Z grip is called OMNI THROTTLE and yes you can use a left hand one with the x axis locked (or not) and no spring on the Y axis for throttle input that stays where you put it and still have twist for up/down 6dof
A long time coming! I love mine
Fair concerns with the sticks, but I've had mine for two years and always pick it up by the grip. I use mine on my desk and switching from space flight to fps i just pick the stick up and set it under my monitor. So, for every SC play session I pick it up by the stick multiple times. I've never had any problems.
As far as the value proposition. There is nothing even close to these when it comes to the value they provide. Pretty much the only other sick in that price category is the x52 series. Which is awful. Everything else below them is equally awful. Everything above them is twice the price. If the nxts provide a close experience to those above it at half the price then it seems to be a non brainer for me.
I wish virpil would try to make a counter product to them
you've been lucky so far, but one pickup with a slight bit too much force and you'll end up having to repair them. I would definitely recommend not continuing to pick them up that way lol
best review ive seen so far thank you
Great video! Hoping to see Waffle Iron reviews soon!
Agreed, bring on the waffle iron reviews. The citizens of the verse need to know!
i wouldn't call Extreme3D a mistake for a budget start. they're $30 US and when combined with an SC starter pack makes for a $105 entry to the game with HOSAS which is already a very high price for just trying out a new game. I think that someone who buys a starter pack, decides they like it, but are on a budget and want to just try HOSAS then the Extreme3D's are a great second with VKB being a natural third step if you decide you really love the game.
for someone who buys an Idris or Kraken right in their first year, then yes i agree with you, but for the vast majority of people who spending less than $200 on the game, then VKB's are good second set of sticks as they cost over $250 for a pair.
I would like to buy the NXT besided the Logitech, but it doesnt sell to my country
Would you buy these before a thrustmaster warthog for a couple bucks more?
Yes, of course.
The sticks I wish I got, instead of my still unopened T16K sticks, as they seemed like a great alternative to the super-budget end. However, I do have very big hands, and I'm rarely able to try before I buy.
It really is not that hard to take these sticks and either find a small metal shop that will work with you, or someone with even a desktop CNC to make the metal replacement parts and do your own upgrade. That is what I did and having my own CNC made it super easy to take the parts, make measurements and then cut out my own aluminum replacement parts for the more prone to breaking components and I have never been happier. Worth noting to I only invested about $70 in aluminum plate and someone hard core enough could even do this with a drill, sander or grinder and a metal blade hacksaw. O you will need a tap and die to thread any needed screw mounts.
Just buy Virpil then, they are all metal
T16000 price was so inflated when I started that vkb nxt was the same price (not the premium) Minus shipping (ouch). the thing I hate about mine is the bump that's it so far. Ps I REALLY hate the bump it actually affects accuracy when shooting. I've gotten around this finally after using the left stick moving the craft to lock in the pixel perfect movement necessary to land shots in dogfights
Yeah, that middle bump has to do with the way the cams are actually one per side. It makes it pronounced. The T16000m is very "Bumpless" but dammit, its super cheaply made. Thanks for the comment.