VKB GLADIATOR NXT EVO Review | 2 Years With An Omni Throttle Star Citizen Set Up
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Could you at some point make a video about the setup and keybinds you use for this setup? This is what I plan on getting for a hosas setup and it would be such a great starting point for me.
They just launched a new dedicated throttle as well. I worked with them to bring the Gladiator Mkl & Mkll Review to the US market back in the day at launch. Still use the Mkll from time to time. Really great company to work with. Great quality products for a very competitive price.
Here's a tip for getting a solid base. I see you're getting some tilt action of your base plates 02:30 Try setting them down on a clean hard surface with a 3/8" ball of kneadable eraser (artist's eraser) at each corner. Put the ball under the plate and push down hard to the table. It will semi-permanently adhere the base with around 40lbs of force.
Great tip, thanks for sharing
You could probably do this with any kind of tac puddy. Some people use it for putting up posters.
The VKB NXT Evo Premium set is one of the best accessories I've purchased. And their support is awesome.
mine stopped working within a month
@@maxium0839Somehow I don’t really believe you, unless you handled very roughly or screwed up while assembling it. They are just so reliable.
@@maxium08392 year warranty 🥱
@@maxium0839You should definitely contact your vendor. There's a 2 year warranty on these sticks.
Really? Both? @@maxium0839
Great review. My wife bought them for me as a Christmas gift. Still wrapping my head around setup, keybindings, etc. But so far a massive step up from my Saitek X52 pro.
Thanks for the video Mac! This helps immensely with settling on my throttle choice, not just for SC but a few flight sims as well.
Nice review. I love my VKB sticks! I burned through three T16000m sticks back when I first backed Star Citizen nine years ago. After the third failed, I went hunting for a new stick and found the VKB Gladiator, the predecessor to the NXT line. That first VKB stick is still going strong, now with numerous upgrades, plus I've added a couple VKB Gunfighters, an NXT throttle console, and various grips to my collection! Plus their software allows sooo much customization... that's where I add curves, tune deadzones, and such. I fly dual stick with both sticks vertically oriented. But now you have me wondering about the Omni throttle 45° setup. May have to give it a shot! 😂
Grabbed this setup and used your code helped save on the crazy shipping. Keep up the great content! Always appreciated your vulture piloting!
Just stopping by to say I am extremely happy with my dual VKB sticks. I too upgraded from the T16000s. I had to take my T16000s apart multiple times to clean and relube them. They were a constant headache to maintain in working order. I haven't had any issues with my VKB sticks. One thing I do wish that they would offer are custom dust covers for the sticks.
I use 2 slow cooker liners (3 to 8 quart). They fit perfectly and you can still admire them though the clear plastic. 😎
I just upgraded to these and absolutely love them!
I 110% agree with everything SMB said about this setup, even the part about the T16000 breaking within a year of using them. I have also ben using the VKB dual stick setup for a little over 2 years and can agree they are the best setup for flight/space sim for the price. The amount of buttons and side extensions to further increase those button options is hard to beat. The one thing I did recently add but have not had a chance to use it it their peddles for further immersive flight experience, I will use these once our house is finished being built and I can start on my flight sim setup. These truly are the best sticks for the price point. Awesome review!!!
Just bought both of these and buying the pedals this week. Amazingly solid products. Highly recommend!
Got my VKBs NXT Premium and Omni arriving in the morning......can't wait to get them setup!
Thank you for this review! I JUST got into Star Citizen a week ago ( and streaming within the last 6 months! ) and while I am pretty decent with KB&M, the bigger ships are presenting challenges. Your review really helped me decide on what I should be looking at for what to get, and I greatly appreciate it. Also - new subscriber! Looking forward to checking out your streams!
Great job Mac! Thanks!❤
Excellent review! Thank you for investing the time and effort into outting this together. I've been looking to upgrade from Keyboard and mouse into sticks and it seems like this set up would be a great fit for me.
You won't regret it
Hadn’t used sticks in years but I can hand on heart say that these sticks have been by best StarCitizen purchase I’ve made, apart from a PC to run the game. The sticks are really rugged and feel great. Loads of buttons. They make the game so immersive.
I have 2 vkb at a 45 degree with a vkb pedal. It's my favorite setup yet.
just ordered the left hand stick to go dual stick got a hotas warthog right so feel this improvement will work well for me.
I am loving my Dual NXT Omnis. Game changer for me!
Can you use the x axis well? Is there a bias towards one side? What have you mapped to the x axis?
Yes, I have been running dual OMNI sticks and totally love it! So much more relaxed and feels more natural. Well worth the upgrade for sure! Mounting wise I designed and 3D printed a system that slides over my arm rests on my chair and is the perfect option as the sticks turn with me and my chair and dont have to worry about them banging into anything.
What do you think about dual Omni-Throttles? I was thinking that also so any feedback would be helpful! TIA
@@DeutsBouiI have dual Omni sticks and love them, it feels more natural and comfortable and puts less strain on your wrists with twisting. Some things to consider though. One issue I have had is that the Omni sticks are a little less stable on a desk without a mount. I've never tipped them over but quick movements can unsettle them. Another is that I believe the mounting of the stick to base is plastic so it's unadivised to remove the Omni sticks if you want the traditional stick layout.
Thanks for the feedback @@TheCrazyDodsworth
@@DeutsBoui Sorry buddy, dont pay attention to replies. Honestly I love the dual omni setup. It really makes for a relaxing game day. I used to get hand cramps from the vertical aligned stick, but putting it more inline with a relaxed hand position just made sense and I will never go back to a vertical stick! For as cheap as it is to get the omni setup it is well worth giving it a try and its super simple to install and swap out.
i would totally pay you for some of the same chair mounts, I have one of those large L-shape desk with the monitor in the corner straight area. i cant use traditional chair mounts bc it leaves my chair to far away from my keyboard when i transition to FPS and cant use desk mounts bc its either to close to the desk when moving either stick on outside movement and bumps the desktop or when you move the mounts in more the hardware prevents my keyboard and mouse from being close enough to not get back issues when FPS
Thank you for the video. I just ordered it using your code. ;)
I have the identical setup as you. That 45-degree left stick made vertical strafing far more intuitive than my old conventional left stick with Z-axis. I also feel the spring-loaded rotary dial (bottom left) is a big plus over the old design. I use down for exit seat and up for open outer doors. Errands (like looting or deliveries) in a Pisces are insanely quick.
I first had the Warthog, and one thing bothered me about the Thrustmaster products - you need to run the TARGET software in the background to fully utilize its features in SC. Throttle profiles and switch behavior needed tweaking, because the SC options don't have the range of controls needed to dial it in (for my taste).
VKB has customizing software, but the profiles are saved within the device - no need to run background software while playing SC. This might be an issue for those who need different profiles for different games, but loading the different profiles per game would occur with either product.
I'd love to see a dual omni throttle setup. I've been thinking of going for that setup. Gives me Mech vibes from all the 90's Mecha anime I grew up watching.
Best timing with that review:) I just planning to upgrade my t.16000 and do not know if grab Omni or regular. Thx
I did hear from thrusmaster Airbus that they have Rudder twitching issues that people say its an easy fix but it returns again and cannot be fixed. I checked out the X56 Logitech and heard they were no good. I talked to my brother and he told me not to buy Thrustmaster nor the Logitech, go with the VKB. You'll never go wrong with it. So I made my Decision and will purchase them myself this week. Hopefully.
I bought dual T16000m's and got exactly 2 weeks out of them before the z-axis started acting up on the right stick. I didn't mistreat them or go gorilla hands on them. They're just a bad design imo. Got 10 year plus old joysticks here that still work over the T16000m's. After watching some reviews I decided to order 2 of the VKB's. Can't wait to get these babies and jump back into Star Citizen. Great job on your review.
I’m going to be getting these in the next few months, and I was considering doing both the axis. Or at least buying the Z axis adapter so I can switch back if I want to. Also, your discount code still works.
Very cool review. I have the NXT Throttle with the WWII Joystick….. I just really prefer the WWII stick. The trigger is so much better….. then I have the module with the start button on the right and the FSM I think it’s called in the left, everything on Predator mounts. Absolutely brilliant setup. There simply isn’t anything out there for the price for the controller.
When you said subscribe Your channel subscribe button glowed first time seeing that cool feature
honestly having a hands on setup period is amazing regardless of the ones you use. i personally prefer hotas as i have recently upgraded from a x52 to a x56. i believe its on how you typically wanna play with your controls. great video.
I was just thinking about buying dual sticks. Looks like I found my answer
I think what makes things a little challenging is when you want to transition from flight to fps. That’s why I bought desk mount for the dual stick setup. I just bought the Omni throttle adapter I can’t wait to get it. I don’t see a reason for me to get the SEM because I heard that the left Omni throttle contacts it when you move the stick full left.
Thanks for the video! May I ask how you configured your left hand omni? Which springs? And how did you set up the clutches?
Love your stuff
LOVE my NXT's! Best gaming purchase I've made. I went with 45's on both sticks and highly recommend it😊
Can you use x axis well with your 45‘s, is there a bias to one side?
@@AW-po7jr maybe some bias at first, hard to remember, I'm very use to the feel of them now. They are thoughtfully constructed so the center of the stick is set directly below the center of your hand and in line with your wrist when you're gripping them.
No regrets getting both 45's. It's also easier on my wrists when playing long sessions.
@@DeadlyInsite thank you for your quick response! Very much appreciated!
Are you satisfied with the accuracy? I have 16000 m Dual Joystick and accuracy is not their forte. What did you bind to the x axis an both sticks? I would want to bind roll on the left x axis and yaw on the right x axis.
@@AW-po7jr regarding accuracy, they are, in my opinion, quite accurate. You'll need to spend some time tuning them to your needs to get the most out of them, but VKB has several good guides to help you do that pretty easily.
Not the best sticks money can buy I guess but way higher quality and better than any sticks I've owned. No regrets:)
thanks Mac, used your code
About the big hands thing, i wear i size 15 ring and my hands fit ok, my problem was the default springs, i went with the heavy tension and everything has been great.
I use the same setup bro!!! I also got the rudders :D fucking amazing for SC and i'm sure other games!
Cool stuff, I think I will get a pair too. P.s. which screen is that?
I have been looking at a HOSAS setup with Gladiator NXTs for a while.
I been using HOSAS T16000 past 6 months and are still fine. However when i do a big PC upgrade when the 5 series cards come out i will also be upgrading to these sticks
I’ve had a T16,000 M hotas for about three years, and while it served me, well, I’ve been keeping an eye on Facebook marketplace for gladiators, and I managed to find a great deal. It’s a huge huge upgrade from the stick, especially, you have so many more controls at a reachable spot, and it’s so much smoother and more precise. I recommend taking a look for some used ones and just watching the market to see if any good deals come up.
I have the X52 hotas and seeing you play im sold on getting them. The X52 is not what everybody say it is. It just gives you a flight experience. But PVP youre a floating boat and duck. For SC you need the duel set up, and this one is the one for me. I dont want Virpls if i spelled it right. But i dont want them due to the lack of button options so here we are lol
Top tip - start off with a single joystick for the right hand (replacing the mouse) with your keyboard. This setup works very well. You'll ultimately end up wanting two sticks (because it feels brilliant), but this is a nice 'easy in' to analog control, to kick off with. Can confirm VKBs are fantastic.
For alot of games hosam is better and is tied with sosas, hokas isnt realy a thing. Pedals make it even better
I actually started with the opposite config ( HOSAM) and it was a great way to get used to the handling of stick flight slowly until I eventually lucked into a $150 Virpil Conni stick.
Also 200% pedals are amazing
I had my NXTs dialed-in as far as bindings go but just had to throw a lot of that out the window with the changes in 3.20. I really need CIG to lock down their mode and control changes so that we are not stuck rebinding and tweaking our setups every time a patch is released.
You've got that right. There's a game called Hunternet where you can map binds from in game (as in while you're looking out of the cockpit) and it's a really nice option.
Very nice but i would always go with Virpil Constallation Alpha Prime
The thing is, depending on location and shipping costs, buying the cheaper alternatives like 2 Thrustmaster 16000 for example you end up spending around maybe half of what you could have saved up for Gladiators on something that isn't just worse, but also extremely bare-bones and known to break very fast.
Virpil has the omni throttle option too, but they do exclusively premium, unlike VKB which do both budget and premium.
However, last I checked VKB don't have a metal Z attachment for the omni configuration, which is disappointing if you want to go all-premium price range.
I have a good solution for your mounting problem.
Get chair mounts that replace your arm rests.
I really want to buy a set of gladiator evo sticks but i'm worried what setup will be the best suited for the future flight model
Can you do a video with all the settings you have and how to set them up
I have the Gladiator MK.II and love it but i wouldnt mean a left hand stick too
I just ordered the gladiator Omni hope it pairs well with my warthog. Would it be a good idea for me to later on get the throttle later or just use the Omni for throttle
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Not sure if you covered this but do you or have you used pedals and if so do you find them more beneficial or just a waste?
2:59 T16000 from Thrustmaster*
how were you looking in different directions while you were flying?
How do you feel about double omni-throttle? I'm thinking about ordering them for myself for my christmas 'gift' to myself, i'm currently on HOSAM with a T16000m thrustmaster and a razer trinity mouse and want to get into Hosas but not sure if I should do 1 Omni+1 Stick or 2 Omni since they're basically just sticks.
I'm someone who started with space sims with Wing Commander back in the early 90s. I probably spend more time collecting controllers these days than actually playing with them. I've flown with old school two button analog dos sticks, Saitek x45, CH Fighterstick USB & Throttle, the VKB Gunfighter III and the Gladiator NXT EVO.
And Gladiator is definitely dollar for dollar money you can spend. The only thing I would say is that is to look at the Gunfighter and see if that system has the extra features you want. If you want those extra features then you may want to skip the Gladiator.
Before I mention what those features are I'd like to point out a few things you don't lose out on or that the Gladiator has going for it vs the Gunfighter.
1) You get a selection of inputs directly on the base. - I can't mention this enough but you get a number of convenient extra input right on the base of the Gladiator that the Gunfighter does not have. If you decide you want, say, a throttle encoder to set a cruising speed for your ship with a gunfighter you'll need to buy an extra device or use the keyboard.
2) The get the same grip quality. Because they're the same grips. You can even buy an adapter to put your Gladiator grip onto a gunfighter base should you decide to switch later.
Namely what those extra features come down to the following:
1) You want quick grip changes. - You can change the Gladiator's grips but you have to change three self tapping screws that are accessed after removing the base plate so it's not fast. The gunfighter has you tightening a side mounted screw that you can switch.
2) You want grip extensions. - You can have a 100m or 200m extension with a gunfighter stick. This ties back into part of the reason why the gunfighter doesn't have controls on it. With it being hard to tell where exactly the base will be it makes more sense not to include those inputs on the base when there's an upper limit to how many axes and buttons windows will support on one device.
3) You want to be able to change the center detent and the response curve. The gunfighter comes with cams you can switch out that. You have two sets, Avia and Space that come in a soft and hard detent center option. Avia cams get harder to move the closer you get to the extreme edges where as Space cams have a linear tension from center to edges. The cams can be placed on each of the x and y axis and don't have to be matched as a set.
4) You want more spring options. The gunfighter axes can have two springs on each axis where as the gladiator can only have one spring per axis. This is mainly because you will need strong springs for longer stick extensions. But this does mean you've got more tension options.
5) You want the Modern Combat Grip. This is the one grip that is not sold configured for the Gladiator. Simply put this thing is a massive chonky beast that would not be a good fit for the Gladiator base. The space combat grip takes a lot of cues from this type of real-world grip but the space combat grip has streamlined and re-imagined it for a more sci-fi look that is coincidentally has less weight and production cost. The MCG is not. And it's gigantic. Things like a real pinky break, more swapable hats / ministicks.
6) You want a smaller footprint for mounting in a cockpit. So this is not going to be universal. You could easily mount a Gladiator in a cockpit too. But sometimes in a cockpit, where you've got dedicated places to mount extra controls and such the extra space the gladiator dedicates to the base can actually get in the way. For example if you are trying to do a center-stick setup the smaller footprint and an extension can make that MUCH easier.
7) You want that all metal construction. I think the Gladiator construction is perfectly fine. CH sticks have been made from heavy plastic exteriors with metal bearings where needed and CH sticks from the 90s are still happily trucking along. And the gladiator is using magnetic sensors for it's major axes so it's going to have very low wear and tear. But if you want want an even more overbuilt base that is even easier to service as a user the gunfighter is that. That said I think very, very few people will ever notice any difference here. If you don't care about anything I mentioned in 1-6 and you're just getting a gunfighter because it's metal, I'd say just get the Gladiator and save your money.
I'd love to upgrade from my old ch setup. But the game isn't making enough progress for me to buy more hardware for it at this time. Nice video though
I'm about to order a set, but I'm unsure if I should go for two normal sticks or one omni and one normal. It's for star citizen and I fly mostly fighters but also some bigger ships. Any ideas?
Can having two different one work ? i want the 45 angle one on my left hand and the mk2 with few button and 2 trigger on the right
I'd have purchased VKB by now. But they're never in stock anywhere.
Why was your top left light flashing? Mine has never done that.
Would you suggest only one Omni or both Omni?
Bummer, missed out on the code. I ordered mine couple of day ago.
Thank you for a great review Im still rocking the T16000m dual sticks they are ok ish not failed me yet but having the left stick on a 45deg looks and sounds great. but looking at VKB or Virpil the choice is how long have I got to save up LOL speeding way too much on PC upgrade this year
I’ve just moved off of the T16000 onto Virpils. The deadzone on the Z axis was seriously affecting my accuracy, the Virpils are next level god tier
@@OneDarkEnigma86 thanks for the info
I am thinking about getting the throttle, can anyone tell me how the feel of the different axes works? If you push forward/back, does it stay in place like a normal throttle axis? And then if you push the throttle left or right, does it spring back to center? Is there a way to lock/unlock or spring/unspring either axis direction? Edit: Nevermind I found you can do ALL OF THE THINGS. WOW!
Do you have site where can buy them
I'm thinking about getting 2 sticks, so wondering if 2 sticks are better than 1 stick and one sideways one (forgot what those are called) like in the video. If anyone can give me an answer I'd appreciate that. From what I understand the sideways one is good if you play a lot of Flight Simulators, but if it's mainly for SC, 2 sticks (like the right one in the vid) are preferred. Do I have that right?
i'm about to purchase this stick setup just need a little more info. How do you manage your keyboard and mouse for when you are transitioning to FPS play. Do you find it comfortable to operate sitting on your desktop or would you prefer going with a desk mount. Im leaning on the deskmount option only issue is im one of those bigger L-shaped desk designed to put the monitor in the middle of the curve. I currently have T16000 and throttle and have it on the desktop but get frustrated with the right stick moving around when in combat and having to move the right stick out of the way every time i land or go FPS.
I’m looking at buying some too, their are chair mounts for the flight sticks I’m looking into from “monster tech” so they sit on your chair instead of taking up desk space. Look well priced compared to the vkb mounts as well might end up going for those.
I'm glad I'm not prone to epileptic seizures...
3:50 - just as an info point, Virpil also offer a z-axis adapter for their sticks so you can set up with an omnithrottle like this :) I've been flying with that setup for quite a while now, very pleased and as you say, best of both worlds. Doesn't work very well for regular flight sims though, so anyone playing both should expect to find the need for a dedicated throttle too.
Can you drop your settings?
If you've had those sticks 2 years, you're never mounting em 🤣
I love my VKB's but the software leaves a lot to be desired, added the omni throttle which is definitely a worthwhile upgrade. Anyone wanting to dib their toe into HOSAS with T1600's i suggest dont bother, just go straight for these. The T1600 will break inside a year, you'll buy these anyway then you'll need to get used to the new maps, speaking of which i highly recommend subliminals maps.
Is it only in euros?
What monitor are you using? looks nice
Samsung g9. It’s great and now SC supports UW and HDR its even better 👌
@@SuperMacBrother This comment inspired me to buy a 48" OLED monitor for black friday, cheers. 😉
How do you not get motion sickness with that wide screen? The scaling is awful and objects moving center to side as you turn are stretched and zoomed in... I tried ultra wide gaming myself, and I couldn't find a singe setup mitigating this issue...
where are you flying in game?
my real question is, can the throttle one be just a joystick ? so could you get both hands tilted and use them as a twinstick setup ?
yes
your pc specs link doesn't work m8
What is the iPad looking thing with buttons?
Elgato Stream Deck
I can’t recommend the Virpil Constellation Alpha Primes enough. AMAZING quality and super accurate
Can I have a real dual stick experience with that? :-O
I personally prefer Virpil's build quality and design...
Virpils are better but they also come with over twice the price
@@maukku1572 And it also seems that the higher you go in price/quality, the more redundant features / diminishing returns you get.
VKB seems to be that perfect middle-ground between value and function.
I just wish that they'd release a module that has metal toggle-switches, that feeling of flipping a loud metal switch is unbeatable.
For star citizen, the best settup is to get some desk mounts so your arms are in a more ergonomic position and you can play for alot longer without cramping. Also get some pedals for throttle so you dont have to have one stick at an angle, unless u plan on getting 2 angled for ergonomics. Have Right twist locked, with the axis on pitch and yaw, with the left stick having up/down and left right strafe on the axis and roll on twist, with thrust on pedals. This has been found to be the best settup for accuracy when figthing.
Huh. I would think thrust would be better mapped to left Y axis and roll mapped to pedals. And then keeping left twist open for up down strafe.
@robbhays8077 no because you need more conteoll over roll in pvp, pedals have the least fine grain control so sure best suited to thrust
Привет, что за монитор ты используешь?
Samsung g9 👍
What monitor is that?
Samsung g9 👍
VKB is made in China and cannot be bought from US retailers. Shipping for 2 joysticks was 68 bucks during the holiday season in 2023. They also have a disclaimer that that a 25% import tax may apply at customs. What a shame.
For the US you will not incur any additional fees if the price of your order is under $800. My order had a $57 shipping fee which is understandable as it's FedEx International Express.
Damn, I’m 6’6 with pretty large hands, I was about to order the stick but now I’m not sure if it’s too small for me or not :/
How is it going with the sticks?
@@AW-po7jr I ended up getting the VKB Gunfighter mk4 and Stecs, way more than I planned on spending, but it’s been well worth it, they are great products and fit well in my hands
That was what you would give away LOL 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Why are all throttle sticks designed for the LEFT side?
You can get an Omni throttle adaptor for the right stick as well
sadly im fucking brazilian ... so sad seeing thoose top tier products so faaaaaarr from us! bcs of cost but most for availability! PLS VKB, send us some. IDK!!! we keep thinking and planing our consume goals for maybe when we travel to the us or europe, by trip ofc... and thn come back to brazil with them hoping it dont get absurdly TAXED by our shit government. BUUUUUUUUUT im sure soon i ll be able to buy one of ths somehow.
i have one hotas x, wich is absurdly rare already here! and expensive kakakakakaka imagine a hotas x costing more thn ur minimal wage. dealing with thoose miss throttle , i ended up just using the stick and W A S D for axes engine movement
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yo can i get a free stick setup? im poor. every vid ive seen of these the person reviewing them says they got them for free
How is ABS not cheap? It's a standard plastic.
just the case is ABS, although it's a decent feeling result, I wouldn't be concerned about that. The gimbal is glass fiber reinforced polyamide so it should be pretty strong. It's still plastic though, so if you think you will ever have to replace the stick once outside of the 2 year warranty, you should get the VKB Gunfighter model or something else with metal parts. It doesn't look like they sell replacement gimbal parts on their website.
You do sound much older than what I'm seeing. ~~confusing
Wise and refined? 😉
Their software setup video lol ? Honestly though their software blows and the sticks are mediocre. Spared no expense on my PC build this year so will stick with Virpils. Also if their stick assembly is so straight forward why dont they just send them assembled?
3:00 the t16000m isnt logitec, is thrustmaster
The discount code still works, thank you sir for mentioning it @SuperMacBrother