That right there is why I think the whole ending leans way, WAY too hard on the 'bitter' part of bittersweet. Other than minor characters like Bronn or Podrick, the only endings that appear mostly happy are those of the Starks, and specifically Arya and Sansa. But Arya is leaving her family again even though that was the WHOLE point of her storyline in Braavos ("A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I'm going home"). And Sansa is Queen in the North (which I'll be honest is the only part of the finale that didn't totally piss me off), but she's ruling alone. There are **ZERO** other named characters in the shot with her. Not even Brienne, who was *sworn to Sansa by Catelyn*. But no, she's at the Small Council, I guess because the optics of an all-male council after Cersei and Dany both got the Mad Queen treatment would be bad.
Not trying to defend the show (specially as a book reader and Dorne fan), but you've cut the beginning and it IS important. "When winter comes and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." Winter came and apparently (for the show?) went away, and during this event, the pack was together. After that, it wasn't much needed anymore. However, not even going on about how Winter should last years and years (because there is this doubt about winter - "does winter bring the white walkers, or do they make winter come?"), but there is a lot of symbolism in ASOIAF/GOT about characters and their house sigils. Much like a wolf, Ned Stark was loyal to the only woman he had in his life officially, but the loyalty to his own blood made him lie about it and keep this secret for the rest of his life. Much like wolves, the Starks work better when they're together and in the North, their home. When they get separated, even though it's not Winter yet, things go terribly wrong. If they had stayed in the North together and Ned refused being Hand, none of them would have to die. In fact, the North would have Ned, Robb etc to lead them to the war against the White Walkers. Separating the pack after they tried to hard to go back home and stick together just seems.... wrong. Arya fought so hard to go back to her home, but she just leaves and promises to not come back. Bran isn't even Bran anymore, the little kid who constantly defied rules just to try and see his home and his father again in visions - nothing. Jon - yeah, he was never really a Stark, but Winterfell was his home and he was so ready to break his vows and fight besides Robb for it. He had the North AND the Stark blood in him, but I guess he had no choice over his own ending bc the show didn't know what to do with him after shitting on the idea of him being a protagonist because fuck logic, we want to subvert expectations!!! Sansa is the only one who actually stood by the North and her home, and being honest - she never even liked it as a kid. She was never too close to her brothers anyways. She was constantly shown as more of a trout than a wolf, and Lady dying so early set the tone for it, but I can kinda accept the show's choices since they gave her Jeyne Poole's arc. Idk man, this whole symbolism just got thrown in the dumpster and it makes me sad too.
RandomTipsyLemon hellll no lol there’s so much shit they could’ve adapted into the show that would’ve given them exponentially more nuance then what they had in season 8. Young griff and the Blackfyres are cut out entirely, lady stone heart is cut, pretty much everything about Eurons entire character is cut out, Victorian isn’t even in the fucking show which sucks, the entirety of Sansas storyline in feast for crows is cut out in order to remarry her to Ramsey so she can be raped. There’s so much shit that they left out of the show that would’ve not only given them nuance but it also would’ve just made the show longer giving George an opportunity to actually finish the books or at least give them more detailed outlines of what to do with the later seasons. Instead they rushed past pretty much all of feast for crows and Dance of Dragons.
@@sergiomendoza4040 exactly I hated that they omitted storylines from a AFFC and ADWD, if they didn't want to do the amount of seasons needed to fully adapt the books then they shouldn't have been given this project (GRRM knew they didn't want as many seasons as he thought they needed so he shouldn't have given it to them) or they should've handed it to someone else who still had passion for the story.
That moment when the dragon sees it's dead mother and the man that killed her but poignantly understands that the throne was the catalyst behind the thirst for power which drove the destiny of it's characters in the most profound manner ROAR
My biggest issue is the fact that Arya can literally impersonate anyone, so when she and Sansa successfully plot to kill Littlefinger (the only person who played all sides), they didn’t take his face. She could have easily impersonated Littlefinger, sneak into the Red Keep, kill Cersei for Dany in exchange for the north’s liberation and everything would have been fine.
imagine if that happened and Arya encountered Jaime (who already escaped to be with Cersei) and they dueled, would be much better than the euron Vs Jaime crap
🤣😂 you and all those 873 likes are retards!! you guys miss all the details. how the hell would Littlefinger sneak into the red keeps when he is public enemy. you retards forgot he declared partners with house stark back in season ^ episode 10. yall all retards
@@Katzenkaiser4 yup. I told everyone who would listen that it was the best television show ever made... and it wasn't even close. That was somewhere in season 5....ha.
@@Katzenkaiser4which will happen when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves
Littlefinger’s death probably angered me the most. The fact he got outsmarted that easily despite how well established it was how smart he was was infuriating. How the hell did I figure out Sansa and Arya were plotting to kill him but he didn’t?
My best explanation would be that he severely underestimated Sansa but that makes no sense considering he literally tells her not to underestimate people and be surprised
Disclaimer: Im a bit late to the party so I got to binge watch the entire thing (thank god or i would have probably burnt my eyes out if I was hit by season 8 straight out of the oven) tbh i just accepted the show ended in season 4, the other seasons are just parodies. I remember just powering through season 5-8 like its some kind of tedious chore, I was hate watching at that point. I remember watching season 1-4 in like 2 days, short sleeps, and even in my dreams the show was playing, I got so invested that i triggered a lucid dream where i was overseeing GOT interact, AND THEY WERE IN CHARACTER LMAOOO, ENGLISH AINT EVEN MY MOTHER TONGUE yet I can remember tyrion and ned having a playful banter in my dream, the setting was apt as well. GOT is the best show I ever watched so seeing it deteriorate slowly from season 5 onwards led me accumulating enough dread in my soul to lose faith in tv shows. I was not into tv shows back then so GOT was a painful start.
Actually there's a deleted scene of Bran telling his sisters about his scheme and wants to tear them apart and I can't believe that they didn't show that scene so it would more make sense! I can't believe that Littlefinger is stupid enough to send Sansa back to Winterfell when The Boltons who killed his childhood crush, Caitlyn who's also Sansa's mom in Red Wedding! And he's assumed Ramsay is a good boy to take care of Sansa? Look at that guy's face! That doesn't look like a guy who can be trusted. Fucking really? Even Book Littlefinger is smart enough to hide Sansa by making her as his alleged bastard daughter. If you're really love Caitlyn very much, why did you do that? And Littlefinger's story arc for the last 3 seasons is becoming Sansa's Pedophile Simp! Are you fucking kidding me?
The thing that makes me so angry about this show is how pointless and useless everything surrounding John Snow turned out to be. John IS the song of Ice and Fire. He is the child of Lyanna Stark (Ice) and Rheagar Targaryen (Fire). The entire story is built upon his secret lineage, the fact that he is the true heir to the Iron throne by a legitimate but secret marriage. This reveal should have been MASSIVE. His ability to ride a dragon should have been a monumental scene, similar to the type of scene that Dany was given. The revelation of his lineage was THE revelation of the show, he has a higher claim than even Dany; TEN YEARS IN THE MAKING - but it was diminished significantly. The prophecies, him being brought back to life, The Prince That Was Promised - this all goes absolutely nowhere, and had no purpose whatsoever in his destiny. And the final nail in the coffin is that John returns to the fucking wall like the nobody bastard he started as. Everything about his arc amounts to NOTHING. What a trash ending. An ending so bad it managed to undo the entire legacy of what would have been the greatest show of all time.
oh and he went back to a wall that was there to prevent the walkers from going south, now that there's no more walkers wtf do they need the wall or people to watch it?? it has a massive hole in it and it was created with magic, so they couldn't make it again and why would they if there's no more zombie?? all the wildlong were already south. nothing makes sense nothingggg
Absolutely, at least have him lead the white walkers like Aragorn did for the dead and then have them battle it put with Daenarys and the dragons. Then it would be a TRUE song of ice and fire.
It's also so infuriating how they managed Tyrion. He once was the smartest, wittiest character only rivaled by Varys and Petys and still he always had the edge. He was such an amazing character because despite being an "imp", the unwanted son and a villain in many peoples eyes, he was still a kind mand who was always a hindred steps ahead. But then, as soon as he starts counseling for Daenerys, all of a sudden EVERY SINGLE one of his plans, fail. And the perfectionist Queen who doesn't tolerate those kinds of mistakes decides to keep him even after he fucked up like 5 times in a row. Tyrion from the book would've conquered the world the moment he met Daenerys, but they just hard nerfed him.
The only thing he did was seeing jamie fucking his sister to start the conflict between stark and lanistar. But it was jaime who throwed bran out of the window. So dissapointing
Dude this was the BEST SEASON ever! How can you disrespect a character like that?! What do you mean by Bran did nothing? He sat and flew crows hey! -_-
@Lizzy Swan Great character development exactly! Finally someone who understands! Bran falls out of the window learns how to turn his eyes white, gets Summer and Hodor killed, again flies crows, looks emotionless etc etc. He has the greatest story of all. All hail Bran the Broken🙌🙌
She might have vaguely heard about the Iron Fleet when the Sand Snakes and Yara were captured by them. She very likely did not know that upgraded, more advanced versions of the Scorpion anti-Dragon ballistae were installed on the ships of Euron's fleet. The harsh consequences of not having good intel. Perhaps Bran has only so much synaptic bandwidth and didn't have time to review those time files, particularly since he was preoccupied with events in Winterfell.
A K this would be true, except for the fact that the master of whispers TOLD her about it, and her advisors even convinced her to not launch a preemptive attack against the fleet, it’s just awful writing by D&D
What's awful is that everything else this season was amazing. The writing was the only aspect that was a disappointment. The acting, music, cinematography, visuals and action were all incredible, arguably the best of all the seasons. If it weren't for the bullshit writing this season would have been the best of them all, the velocity would have surpassed everything else in TV history.
"I don't even feel like I watched the ending of this show, it was so unsatisfying." This is exactly how I feel, I still can't even accept what we got as an ending. There was no closure or satisfaction at all and it was so unbelievably insulting to the viewers intelligence.
It is such a shame that this show was gonna go down as the greatest television show ever made, but now it's the biggest joke and biggest disappointment in television history.
1,000%. Will be studied on how not to conclude a good series. Completely killed the fandom. Conventions for Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings exist decades later. Zero for GoT.
True. It was starting to surpass Breaking Bad for me, and then… no. Went from a 10/10 to an 8 or 9, and I often forget about it when I discuss my favorite shows.
What was the point of R+L=J? That was the center of a main plot and he ends up back in the stupid North? He didn’t even get to kill the Knight King and return to the North. What was the point of Bran (Until we could flashback and see Jon’s parentage), his story is the WORST. Jon AND Sam have better stories than Bran, and everyone else actually. Damn, Davos has a better story.
So apparently, they should have ended the series at episode 3 of Season 8, in order to preserve the importance and centrality of the Night King to the story? That would have solved that problem, right?
@@stephaniefromvirginia8744 What was the point of the Golden Company? All the gold looted from High Garden was used to pay for them. Now there's an investment that went up in smoke.
D&D: We thought we were writing Harry Potter and a good plot didn’t matter. Imagine our surprise in Season Eight when we finally realized we were writing Game of Thrones. It was like, Hey wait, Game of What?
I’ve liked Brienne all throughout the show. I’m barely ok with her falling in love with Jamie, but her breaking down into tears when he rode away and refusing to do anything about it was terrible. Especially after only spending like 2 days romantically involved with him.
Disagree. She spent literally years doubting this man. Her walls fall slowly and when she finally really lets him in he leaves. Her not being emotional about that would’ve been weird af
@@jakecollin5499 Crying is obviously ok, but Brienne just standing there not saying anything after Jamie characterised himself as the worst person alive is not. He showed her and others compassion. She cared for him. Character development thrown into the trash can within 2 minutes.
Yeah i'm never going to get the disappointment people have with Tough Iconoclastic Upright Rebel Lady Figure having layers of complexity to her that might make her cry over a dude.
@@thedacardea416 yeah I’ve kinda softened on this scene over time, my main problem now is her not doing anything after the betrayal except making sure he’s remembered fondly
Why do any of the other kingdoms bother? The targ dynasty (the rightful heirs to the iron throne, even Bobby B had to find he was related in order to have a claim) is gone. Nothing is keeping them from all dissolving into divided countries proper again
It's crazy how they were granted independence by the first Stark king and everyone was fine and didn't instantly get mad at this extremely preferential treatment. Like damn we got a Stark king and the first thing he does is kiss the ass of the north at the cost of everyone else
Tara Jones leading up to season 7 I remember almost every cast member was saying best season to date. Not One cast member said this about s8 except Emilia in a sarcastic way.
@@jjgen736 I think she was speaking from the viewpoint of her character. Same with the other actors who said it was disappointing. I could be wrong but actors don't usually shit talk things they're in. It's just bad business ethics, especially before something is released
If you think about it, this show ended in the most Game of Thrones way possible. But instead of killing off a bunch of well loved characters it killed off the whole fanbase.
@curio honestly, I have rewatched it a few times and I just skipped the last 2 seasons no problem. The shittiness of Seasons 7 and 8 don't diminish the incredible things from the first 6 seasons for me
I still think Disney coming to Benioff and Weiss and pitching them the Star Wars trilogy was what started it. Disney execs wanted Game of Thrones to be toast, and what better way then to manipulate the creators into fucking it over.
When I heard that the writers caught up to books I was like “Oh I’m sure it’ll still be fine, they’ve been writing these characters for ages” then I watched one episode and I felt all positivity drain out of me across that one episode and I just stopped. My mum and dad continued and after the last episode of the series my mum was livid and dad wouldn’t even let me ask, just immediately shut me down when I asked “what was so bad”. That’s how I found out just how bad it was
@@dustinjackson3318Reader here. I read the books all together after seeing the show. And I think it was worse for me, than for those who read them when they came out. Aside from characters not appearing on the show, and unless Martin changes everything he's previously written, the story is going in a completely different direction.
I heard of an story that at season 7 George told the show runners they needed at least 12 seasons in total to do the Song of Ice and Fire properly. But D&D swore they could do it in 8, and well, we see how that ended up. I didn’t watch the show but I remember all the insane disappointment from friends. I’m currently reading the series though
As disappointing as the last two seasons were, I would highly recommend watching the show once you’ve finished the books. It really is some of the best television to ever exist. Also, if you haven’t already, I’d also recommend reading Fire & Blood and then watching House of the Dragon. Ooh and then read A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms with Dunk and Egg! Also, A World of Fire and Ice is an amazing companion book! The amount of detail GRR Martin puts into his world building is mind boggling!
Pretty sure Dumb and dumber actually wanted to do 7 seasons but HBO was like come on bruh you can do 8 and then they said we will do 13 episodes and no more and HBO said okay if that’s what will be needed. They just wanted it to be over. Honestly I think it would have been better if they just fully got there way. Kinda think they knew what they did was bad but just didn’t care
Pilou (Euron's actor) was allowed to choose his own costume after his first appearance. He wanted to look like a rockstar (he said so in an interview). Pilou's train of thought was similar to D&D's.
Tyrion: "Bran, you should be king". Bran: "I can't be king". Tyrion: "But you must be king". Bran: "K" Bran: "Tyrion, you will be hand". Tyrion: "I can't be hand". Bran: "But you must be hand". Tyrion: "K"
You could consider Grey Worm/The Unsullied as a whole other character arc/plot that screwed up the ending; they occupied Kings Landing, held Jon as prisoner for killing their queen despite being free men, and demanded he serve justice. With how Jon's claim to the throne existed, he should have had no reasosn to serve time or justice, and got sent to a Nights Watch that the realm no longer had need for. Then what do they do? They pack up a ship and leave for Naath. There was no reason for them to keep Jon, occupy Kings Landing, only to leave when they had no reason to stay in the first place. Just seems like D&D had no real clue what to do with them.
D&D had no clue what to do with the entire series once they ran out of books and dialogue FROM the books to use. Once they were on their own, they were terrible. I think that Game of Thrones is more of a testament to GRRM's writing ability than D&D's directing prowess. It was basically two monkeys given a piano that plays it's own music as long as they put batteries in it, but once the batteries ran out, they still had no idea how to use and essentially shit on the piano, flung it against the wall and walked away from it.
this was the craziest bit for me,he just killed a queen grey worms saviour,and he is told not to speak as he is a prisoner...then he decides all of their fates and everyone agrees its up to him?????wtf
@@slyceth You mean the scene when the mountain make the head of the Viper explode?? This was the best scene ever aired on TV's. Grow up, it was never meant to be a show for little children.
When the actor who played Bran did the reading prior to Season 8, he seriously felt that someone gave him a prank script, it was that bad. Sadly for him and everyone else, it was the real thing.
Fact that actors other writers and producers gave different ideas and D&D ego got in the way shows how much they didn't care about anyone and everything. The actor who played ser barastain selmy spoke up against the direction his character was going compared to the books D&D just killed off his character cuz they got butt hurt.
Night King had no impact on the story either. He was literally there only to make Dany´s army weaker so she can use that as an argument in the fight with Jon. The funniest thing ever that they did not even continue with the whole "i lost my army" considering the fact that she had them again in the KL.
Tyrion fucks up a lot but fixes all his mistakes at last in seasons 5 to 6. In season 7 and 8 I'm still wondering to this day why Dany didn't throw him off the highest roof
My issue with that is when Jon was King in the North she heard him order every male & female to train in combat. She's 5'9" (taller than Jon & Arya) and able bodied and it was an apocalypse and she had people who could've taught her at least the basics of self defense but she refused.
I just finished the series today, how does nobody talk about how we saw thousands of people get wiped out by the white walkers, basically everyone, yet after they kill the night king their armies are perfectly fine? I thought there was going to be some creative way they would have to defeat cersei due to lack of numbers. But no, just a regular old battle with a massive army. Hell, their plan was to surround the city!? WHERE DID THIS ARMY COME FROM
JRR Marting: For a good story, this should take somewhere between 10-12 seasons D&D: Nope, 7 it is HBO: DUDES! NO! NO! NO! Our money! D&D: Okay... 8. But take it or leave it. HBO: "... okay."
This show used to be referenced CONSTANTLY, it was almost as quotable as Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. Now nobody references it anymore. You’d think if the show ended on good or at least decent terms, people would still reference and joke about it. Literally the only time you hear people talking about Game of Thrones now is when they’re talking about how badly the ending of that show was fucked up
If people manage to guess your ending before it happens, it doesn’t necessarily just mean you are overly predictable. It just means your story made sense and the conclusion is logical. If you subvert expectations by doing something wildly different, that isn’t clever. It makes your story absolutely insane.
As disappointing as the last seasons were i think my biggest letdown was Selmy's death. Here's a man who can win 1v1 against Brienne, the Hound, Jaime, the Mountain, Oberyn, Jon & Robert and who could still very possibly kill half of them if they all banded together against him, and he dies getting shoved around by a mob of paper masked nobodies. Shame.
D&D didn't just kill the show, they killed its rewatchability. If the show had lived up to the hype until the very ending, it would've become a timeless classic. But thanks to D&D, rewatching it, knowing how it ends, will never be worth it.
Can confirm... I was ok with the battle; except arya killing the night king when that was JOHN'S story. But killing the dragon out of NOWHERE? Now jamie? And now missandei. I just cannot. When they cut the scene right before Bran tells arya and sansa about Jon... This is the hottest pile of fucking garbage I've seen and I regret rewatching the show. Its just shit scene after shit scene, after shit scene. There's no moment of sweetness, satisfaction. If you're thinking of rewatching it... don't.
D&D didn't make the series "jump the shark", because that phrase implies pushing an established plot structure too far. They simply didn't give a fuck, They ignored established plot structures (or didn't understand them), and so blithely wiped out seasons-long arches, as well as all seven seasons of previous, detailed plot development. They weren't interested, and and they didn't even bother pretending they were. It's still *so* frustrating. It feels like spending seven years investing in a special, beloved pet project, then at the last minute having some disinterested expert come in, take control, drop a massive, steaming dump on it, and walk away.
I really hate when people say “They ran out of books.” D&D didn’t even adapt the material from the books! If they had the show would’ve been much better and probably could’ve went 11 seasons. They didn’t have to make up nonsense if they just adapted the book material that they had! They didn’t run out of material they just didn’t adapt it. They had more than enough material.
I feel this cuz one character in my book im writing is suppose to be the smartest person in the world but im just a stupid high school kid so writing is kind of hard
@@yodelingshrimp8316 Have you ever watch death note? I hear it's a great anime, I'm not saying fashion your character off of it but it should at least help.
I'm assuming that it will be an entire novel for the Whyte story line to wrap up and an entire book for the Dany v Cersei to wrap up. And like huge 1000+ books for both. So the books seem like they are on the right track in terms of pacing and being more consistent. Edit. I'm sure he's fretting quite a bit over wrapping up in 2 novels time. He may have to cut books in half again. Did that work for the last two novels? Yes and no.
@@igiveyouthefacts I'm assuming they were following the way things happen in the unwritten books. Winds of winter is likely the big showdown with the White walkers and a dream of spring is likely the showdown with Cersei. GRRM got the idea from lord of the rings. The issue though, is that they compressed both of these plots into the last two seasons but gave too much weight to the whites and didn't have enough time to flesh out the battle for Kings Landing.
It was a big mistake like 10 years ago when everyone started praising media for "subverting expectations". If the twist can be anticipated from the plot's direction and themes, that's not a mistake, that is good. That means it's a good, coherent story. Subverting those expectations can also be a good thing, if you either 1) subvert common tropes in ways that are logical for your story, or 2) foreshadow a narrative twist subtly enough where it's still there, but may not be apparent on a first watch. 1) is a Ned Stark's death in GoT. 2) is Sixth Sense. The last season (or two) of GoT is just a twist for the sake of a twist, it is the equivalent of wattpad writers throwing a tantrum over someone guessing their ending.
Or even a time jump! Have the last episode or two take place after she’s been queen a few years. But D&D had her lose her mind overnight bc her nephew didn’t want to bone her anymore.
@@bangtanruinedmylifeinabeau5616 because they wanted to work on their fantasy show where the confederacy and slavery still existed. thank god that never worked out.
although i agree it was badly done, i still think there were hints of her insanity all around. first showing the targaryen nature, the ‘flipping a coin’ analogy, then showing the way she often makes mistakes, especially with the ruling of mereen. the way she snapped and burned all the masters, along with the way jorah, barristan, and later tyrion were all trying to suppress her rashest impulses. with all of them gone she faces the final enemy, and therefore snaps on westeros
@@lucasnyman5424 she was definitely headed that way, but they went from gradually ramping up towards The Mad Queen to straight vertical climb into the stratosphere. This guy did a rewrite of just the Battle of Winterfell episode and the last two episodes that actually makes sense, and fit into the constraints of the short season. It can be done, but D&D weren’t interested in trying. th-cam.com/video/UJaI95_ATw0/w-d-xo.html
I also never understood grey worm in the end. He actually gains a heart in the later seasons and then decides to kill innocent civilians and poor people even tho that’s what he was against from the beginning. All because he was following his queen. Made no sense
Tbf as stupid it was to make bran king that line actually kinda made sense in that context. Grey worm tells them they can pick a king (idk why the biggest lords of westeros suddenly need grey worms approval for aynthing) and then when they do he immediately tries to shit on the first thing the "king" does. It felt like grey worm needs some sort of a reminder that at the end of the day he's a nobody because he was acting like he owns westeros
What bugs me is quote "Wy do you think i came all this way?" As Brans response for Tyrions question if he'll be the king... he doesnt want to be one and he did all that nothing just to be one? I have missed something or i really dont know
@@PlesnivejSejra lol and in the very same scene he goes on to say "i dont want to be king" and none of the 15 people sitting there seem to pick up on this fuckery
Brandon Stark: I'm not Brandon Stark anymore, I can never be lord of anything, I'm the three eye raven. Tyrion: hey Brandon Stark, wanna be king? Brandon Stark: Yes, being king is my destiny, I'm Brandon Stark, son of Ned Stark.
@@hellowill Then Bran later has the audacity to say "why do you think I came all this way?" so instead of backing the true king you proclaimed earlier, his whole plan was to take the crown from Jon. What a joke
Not to mention Jon, even though I'm usurping your throne, you will also go back to the Night's Watch... What the fuck. This season totally mind fucked me. I swear they shot it all different had it all ready and then some how all servers pcs IOS etc. Crashed and the the REAL season eight was lost for ever... Yeah in my dreams where Daenerys still desstroys Kingslanding, and I get to watch her sit the Iron Throne. 😖
@Kessroy He only sees the past, not the future. It made no sense for him to say that. The writers constantly did this thing where they asked themselves "whats the most quotably in-character thing this character could say right now?" and just did that no matter how out of place or ridiculous it was taken in larger context.
I agree with almost all of this. Yeah the writing went downhill, but in defense of seasons 5 and 6, season 5 was more of a build up season to everything that happens in 6 and beyond, they might have balanced it better but it was still good. For season 6, the reason Cersei decided to blow them up and she changed was because of the Walk of Shame. The whole city saw her walk naked and she was brutally humiliated, and the whole continent would sure as hell hear about it. And she was never loved. I can see how that kind of trauma and anger would end up with her being mad and not giving a shit about subtlety anymore. But yeah… it was VERY weird how that kind of blatant despotism didn’t result in a rebellion by the people in Kings Landing, and how come most of the other lords didn’t think it was an issue later on. I think the scene was well earned, but the aftermath was horribly handled.
@@Sough I mean several of them have had that reaction. Oh hell all of them probably have that reaction, even if they don't say it in front of a camera.
Still someone show me how great writing could have saved it with only 6 episodes left.. it couldn't. Especially if they didn't kill off the white walkers so easily
Jon has always had a hero's journey. Not after the show drifted away from the books. He has had a hero's journey since book 1, it's just so subtly written, hidden deep beneath all the other big stuff happening in the series. He is the ultimate main character of the series, after all he is literally the song(son) of ice (lyanna) and fire (rhaegar). It was a fresh and creative interpretation of the hero's journey concept, and D&D just subverted our expectations by having him do absolutely nothing of importance in the culmination of the plot he's been integral to since season 1, the very reason he got fkn resurrected for. Thanks a lot.
He's going to be an anti-hero, dnd didn't understand that necromancy is not a good thing and that those reanimated through dark magic will never be the same people afterward. We already have an example of this who is not Jon.
@@SchrollShepard untrue! A lot of Japanese light novels are adapted into manga while the LN is still running. An example of this is The Devil Is A Part-Timer. Not all anime originate from manga :)
@@tessieract I never said all anime comes from manga, what are you talking about, friend? You're definitely right, but generally speaking a manga won't have anything to catch up to, because chances are it's the original source. Thanks for the correction, however.
@@wihoemhae i'd watch at least 1-6. Things does start to become suspicious after 4 but IMO it doesn't really go to shit until S7. 7 and 8 are just an absolute mess, ESPECIALLY season 8.
@@wihoemhae I concur watch 1 to 6 Season 7 starts to go downhill and rushes many storylines yet is still 100x better than the utter train crash that is Season 8.
I don't like how the show turned into world war z it doesn't feel like game of thrones I think the white walkers should be more magical then swarming the world with zombies
I knew that this show was dead back in season 7. When John Snow and his merry men go north of the wall to try and find the white walkers to bring one of the dead back. That was absolutely terrible
In 36 years I have NEVER seen something that was such a phenomenon, leave the public zeitgeist so quickly. This is a show that took over media around the world and yet here we are, barely a year later, and it’s almost never mentioned anymore. It goes to show how a messed up ending can completely ruin a piece of works legacy.
DarksUper3DgeLord Toufiq not at all. Even with the ending, seasons 1-6 were so well done the show remains one of the best shows of all time. People who think otherwise, or were that disappointed by the ending, never understood the show in the first place. And your comment confirms you are one of those people. If you really understood the show, you wouldn’t say, “cringey af”.
@@jking4973 imagine if they ended breaking bad by curing Walter whites cancer, having his family all love him and go and live together in a massive mansion and its all fine. That's how badly they ended game of thrones, you may disagree but that's my opinion. If you enjoyed the ending then fair play to you 👏
At one point when young Ned hears Bran and turns around and it cuts to the ravens face i honestly thought …. Did Bran just realise he may be able to influence the past if he can in somewhat interact with it ? Imagine the potential
Aaaaaand an entire season of dick jokes is all we got. My imagination exploded after that episode and they couldn’t be bothered to use it for ANYTHING.
“Danny’s fall to the dark side is more abrupt and jarring than Anakin Skywalker’s. And yet somehow she still has a higher body count.” This killed me😂😂🤣🤣
It makes me cry and laugh. Anakin started falling to the dark side since episode 2 when he slaughtered a village...but it was years prior. Dany becomes a Sith Lord in one episode and with no time lapse in between.
@@v-mouse You missed the part when Anakin slaughtered an entier village to say such a thing ? The joke about Vader having low body count was compared to Daenerys who killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE on her dragon while turning dark side in like an hour.
I was actually offended by Tyrion saying Bran should be king because he had the best story. Myself and a large chunk of the fandom had been complaining for years that his story was the worst. In the show, anyway. It's slightly better in the books. Still not great though. Interesting how he ate Jojen, but not all that interesting.
Daenerys and Brans chapters are really fun and interesting to follow in my opinion. I LOVE Brans chapters, we really get a new view of the magic side of the world and in Daenerys chapters you learn more about the culture and politics of Essos and there are DRAGONS! What more can you ask for.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human Imo brans story was good until after theon came and he left and then it went to shit. The only thing good is the Hodor arc and Aegon Targaryen reveal. I think they went by really well tbh. After Brans story got even worse lmao he really had so much potential. I always thought he'd become a badass like what Aryas meant to be. I'd love to see him use his powers properly and same with Arya.
13:39 Not to mention that the surrender bells directly contradicts one of the few good things that D&D wrote themselves all the way back in season 2 for the Battle of the Blackwater.
It’s crazy how this show had SUCH a bad ending that it literally erased itself from pop culture. This show went from “mainstream, one of the most popular TV shows, almost as quotable as Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, most people know about it” to “mostly forgotten, hasn’t been popular in years, literally never referenced anymore, only actually remembered by disgruntled people who used to be fans”. It was so shitty it literally undid the show’s entire legacy and reputation, now it’s just “that one show that everyone used to watch”. I don’t think a bad ending on that scale has been replicated before, nor do I think it will be again. It’s THE most infamous show ending ever.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 i did but I did speed up a little, skipped all the talks. I kept the excellent scene of the beatifull ladies 😂👍. So it took me like 10 minutes to watch each episode and the fighting scenes. But i skipped all the talks
Ok Google, how do I keep 6 kingdoms together in a union when none of them have any motivation to stay and they just learned you can simply ask to leave?
Boldevin As soon as Bran gave his consent for the North to split from the rest of the realm, that should have been the end of the Seven Kingdoms right then and there. Yara and the Dornish Prince (two people representing two kingdoms with a LONG history of fighting for independence) should have risen up out of their seats and declared their independence as well.
@@randomnamegbji to be fair the new system does have its perks for people who stay. if you leave you get to rule your kingdom but if you stay you have a chance of ruling all 6.
The turn for Cersai made sense. She was pushed to the point where she knew being subtle wasn't working so she decided to say f it. I think it was a good charcter development from her. Too bad they did nothing with her after
I agree, the issue is basically nothing came from such a dramatic act. The people just kinda forgot they were cheering on a populist theocratic movment and hated Cersie. Many nobles got killed, the only effect was the Tyrrells switching side just to be easily destroyed in the next episode and forgotten too. Tommon dying should have affected Cersie alot more too, since she caused it
@@Nathan-jh1ho it's like they forgot about how big the city was and just made the city into some short of caricature of itself. Never going into any depth after she blew most of it up.
Breaking Bad had the most satisfying ending of all shows. And that series never had any books or material to adapt from. You just need better writers, that's all.
@@miguelvarona463 GoT is more complex??? Bwahahaha, lol. It might be on much bigger scale - but Breaking Bad is far more complex and deep show. you can even make Connection with fucking God or Jesus with some characters. Fucking swimming pools have depth behind them.
I absolutely agree, I couldn't agree anymore. The hole last season left a wierd feeling in me, an empty space, that literally shouts for itself to be filled.
Wonderful summary - couldn't agree more. Another thought about Jon Snow - I would rather have seen more power in learning his real identity as the true male heir to the throne and Denarys stepping aside because of that truth, regardless of her wanting to 'break the wheel'. Everyone but she and Tyrion wanted him to lead, so I would like to have seen him set aside his claim of 'not wanting it', the same way he accepted to be Commander of the Night's Watch. I agreed with Denarys' death at Jon's hand because it avoided more war but then to not automatically be King and especially become a prisoner of the Dothraki was my greatest disappointment. It erased everything his mother and Eddard Stark had done to keep him alive. It negated everything he had done to fight the undead and gave no purpose to his resurrection. Maybe I wanted more of a Return Of The King event like with Aragorn's story in LOTR. By ignoring him like this, rather than a 'better world for everyone', we were left with a dull ordinary world; Bran and Sansa ruling and the Small Council discussing routine city government affairs. We watch these shows to be entertained and that's not entertaining. Eight years and to close like this? Yawn. After watching the behind the scenes features of the last season, I think everyone just got tired of producing the show for so long and ran out of gas. They didn't have anything left so they just threw together an easy ending to be done with it all.
I disagree on the Cersei thing, the Sparrows were a perfect foil for her because the high Sparrow couldnt be corrupted or manipulated through her regular tactics, that's why she had to blow them up, although it would've been more interesting to see her face more consequences as a result of such a bold move but i do think it makes sense why ahe would do it.
@@kosmo7411 _> they forced dnd to fit to much into 1 season_ Except even if this was true, there's plenty of wasted screen time. And this is no excuse for gross inconsistency anyway.
Creative_Plays hbo wanted at least 10 seasons (it was their golden goose), but D&D wanted to go and do new Star Wars saga, and were so hung up with themselves to let other team finish those seasons.
Freys were seen as motherfuckers for 7 seasons, they died in 2 minutes without any expectation, was that a problem ? More than 2 hours have been gave for the preparation and the fight itself of the long night against the dead (episode 2 and 3 of season 8, I don't even mention episode 1), this is enough.
It’s not enough. It’s nowhere near enough. The first two episodes were just people walking and talking. You probably liked it cause you never liked the white walker storyline. There’s a pattern showing with people defending this shit.
@@clem72tro The Freys weren't magical or mysterious. We know most of what's important about the Freys when they were first introduced. We have known practically nothing about the white walkers or Night king besides a few things like them taking the babies and all but we never got a true motive. Sure they said he wants to destroy all life or whatever, but we never actually see that from the Night King. The Night King was built up since season one - he was seen as impossible to kill and yet he dies on the very first attack south by one blow to the chest in the middle of his undead army.
Imagine _Game of Thrones_ as if you’re dining at an elegant restaurant. The appetizers are delectable-some of the best food you've ever tasted. The main course is second to none. You’re on cloud nine. Dessert arrives, expecting another hole in one, and it disappoints. No, it's not crummy. It's not on par with what was served before. Now comes the digestif, but instead of the after-dinner drinks, the manager walks up to you and randomly douses you in chocolate syrup.
I'd put it in terms of eating the best food I've ever had. While eating the desert, I suddenly noticing the taste and texture is off, and see I've ate part of a dead cockroach with maggots in it. Proceeds to throw up the whole thing
Instead of Danny "kinda forgetting" the fleet they should have killed the dragon in the attack on Kings Landing, the literal next episode, and use it as a catalyst to her destroying the city. It's such a simple fix it's crazy no one thought about it.
Even with the story they went with, all they had to do was put the ships there in the open. Dany sees them and flies in to torch them (because that was the plan all along) and once she is close they uncover the weapons that were hidden and shot the dragon down.
Kishibe Rohan they should have had the bells ring then Cersei blow up wildfire in the city killing Missandei and a hidden ballista kills rhaegal. But even then I only see her burning the RK.
This is the show that gave non-anime/manga people a taste of what it feels like to watch a Anime that had to split from the manga halfway through because it wasn't finished yet.
to be honest Full Metal Alchemist was not as bad as this! they also knew when and how to end it in a quick and timely manner, but i feel you. One Anime that nailed this concept was Gintama where they spent half a season going back and covering missed Gag arcs/chapters. The anime crew called it the Split Arc as it changed directions from the main plot. however, Gintama got lucky since they Mangaka Sorachi provided these comedy chapters.
@@sweetyfri That's why I hardly watch anime now, and read a lot of manga, and even Light Novels. Everytime they announce a new adaptation, I quickly take a grasp of the source, get hooked, and when the anime is aired, I completly pass it, because I hate "original endings". Same will happen to me in the upcoming Wheel of Time series, and some other fantasy adaptations. I will keep the good memories of the books, instead of reliving this bitter experience, and wasting years of my time.
I think GRRM realized that D&D didn’t care about his vision, so he gave them a fake ending and waited for the show to finish so he could deviate. I think GRRM pulled off a great trick AND still got his cut. Man’s a genius
Idk it’s weird to think the GRRM wanted the show to fail, he probably wanted it to succeed as much as anyone. However I’m sure he’s changed his plan after how bad the ending of the show was.
I know this wouldn't apply for absolutely everything but good writing is definitely one of the most important parts for a lot of TV shows games and whatever else you can think of. Two games that always come to my mind are the elder scrolls oblivion and knights of the old Republic,the graphics and the combat and a lot of other mechanics in these games haven't really aged that well,but they are still considered some of the best games of all time even today because they have good writing. A lot of people still enjoy playing these games me included.
The saddest part was it was probably the best produced media production to this day, from the acting to its visuals. But the writing was straight out of a high school classroom. Such wasted potential.
That kind of sums up John's character. My family is mad at each other :( Kings are fighting each other :( People are picking on my friend :( A man is hurting his kids :( Wildings hate me because the Watch loves me :( The Watch hates me because Wildlings love me :( Dragon Queen hates me because the North loves me :( North hates me because the Dragon Queen loves me :( blah blah blah, you get the idea. Such a whimpering little bitch.
"Sansa is mad at Daenerys because she didn't like her, Daenerys is mad at everybody, JON IS JUST SAD BECAUSE EVERYONE IS MAD AT EACH OTHER" This was a typical quote hahahahaha
Sansa in season 7 and 8 was just a stubborn bitch who was sulky every time things didn't go the way she wanted them to and she was a total pain in the a**.
Xerafi sure Sansa wasn’t the best at times in 7&8, however Daenerys was that x10, she took any chance she could to bitch and moan, it’s all she’s ever done and it was unbearable in 7&8, at least Sansa had some genuine reasons to bitch like resting soldiers after battling the literal reincarnation of death
@@oelaty9116you can't be serious rn? Sansa is the one who bitches and moans 24/7 over dumb shit dany only bitches when Jon didn't bend the knee for literally 2.5s after that she got over it and faced the real threat head on, Sansa is the one constantly bitching especially about Daenerys who has done nothing but help the north
the fact that Dany lost a dragon fighting with the Night King was not enough for her TO NOT FORGET THE FLEET, i mean they ruined the character cuz she loved her dragons. Also there was little remorse on dragons death she just moved on, THATS TOTALLY NOT DANY. Another thing they ruined about her character was her compassion and love for people, at the end she just went like a madman totally not like her. Her whole point of taking the Seven Kingdoms was to achieve this purpose and the end she was hanging around begging Jon to not tell anyone cuz she JUST WANTED THE THRONE. THAT WAS NOT HERRRR AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot about Varys. The ultimate Master of Whisperers, who had outlived at least 4 KINGS, all the while pulling strings and conspiring... Was burnt to death because he didn't spread secrets well enough.
Kinda true but his death was beacause he trusted tyrion with his secrets, something i dont believe he's ever done with someone else and he got betrayed for it. But his death was really disappointing.
Varys went from master manipulator, someone who operated vast networks of spies, someone who never revealed much, kept their cards hidden etc. To explicitly revealing plans, having loud conversations with other characters without keeping anything to himself, and then finally even when he knew time was up he just sat there waiting to be killed like a moron.
@@alisaurus4224 Pretty sure he doesn't work linearly and already has a lot of stuff roughly written out for Book 7 as well, so if he bites the dust we should at least see a rough cut of what would have been the ending even if we don't get it with too many details and some useless fat on it that he didn't have time to cut away
if you are reading comments sorted by newest first, i just wanna remind you "a dance with dragons" came out 12 years ago. even in 12 years gorge couldnt finish the 6th book
"the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives" and then all the Starks go solo, are totally alone and separated from one another.
That right there is why I think the whole ending leans way, WAY too hard on the 'bitter' part of bittersweet. Other than minor characters like Bronn or Podrick, the only endings that appear mostly happy are those of the Starks, and specifically Arya and Sansa. But Arya is leaving her family again even though that was the WHOLE point of her storyline in Braavos ("A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I'm going home"). And Sansa is Queen in the North (which I'll be honest is the only part of the finale that didn't totally piss me off), but she's ruling alone. There are **ZERO** other named characters in the shot with her. Not even Brienne, who was *sworn to Sansa by Catelyn*. But no, she's at the Small Council, I guess because the optics of an all-male council after Cersei and Dany both got the Mad Queen treatment would be bad.
Not trying to defend the show (specially as a book reader and Dorne fan), but you've cut the beginning and it IS important. "When winter comes and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." Winter came and apparently (for the show?) went away, and during this event, the pack was together. After that, it wasn't much needed anymore.
However, not even going on about how Winter should last years and years (because there is this doubt about winter - "does winter bring the white walkers, or do they make winter come?"), but there is a lot of symbolism in ASOIAF/GOT about characters and their house sigils. Much like a wolf, Ned Stark was loyal to the only woman he had in his life officially, but the loyalty to his own blood made him lie about it and keep this secret for the rest of his life. Much like wolves, the Starks work better when they're together and in the North, their home. When they get separated, even though it's not Winter yet, things go terribly wrong. If they had stayed in the North together and Ned refused being Hand, none of them would have to die. In fact, the North would have Ned, Robb etc to lead them to the war against the White Walkers. Separating the pack after they tried to hard to go back home and stick together just seems.... wrong. Arya fought so hard to go back to her home, but she just leaves and promises to not come back. Bran isn't even Bran anymore, the little kid who constantly defied rules just to try and see his home and his father again in visions - nothing. Jon - yeah, he was never really a Stark, but Winterfell was his home and he was so ready to break his vows and fight besides Robb for it. He had the North AND the Stark blood in him, but I guess he had no choice over his own ending bc the show didn't know what to do with him after shitting on the idea of him being a protagonist because fuck logic, we want to subvert expectations!!! Sansa is the only one who actually stood by the North and her home, and being honest - she never even liked it as a kid. She was never too close to her brothers anyways. She was constantly shown as more of a trout than a wolf, and Lady dying so early set the tone for it, but I can kinda accept the show's choices since they gave her Jeyne Poole's arc. Idk man, this whole symbolism just got thrown in the dumpster and it makes me sad too.
But the pack can't survive anyways, there will never have others Starks because there is no male Stark who can father children.
@@aevenstar100 spit the truth ,my friend
They go their own ways until they all come back together in season 8. And the Starks survive.
“They ran outta books” pretty much sums it up.
@@JinMeowsoon so they just stop giving a shit ? that sounds even worst than them running out of books
RandomTipsyLemon hellll no lol there’s so much shit they could’ve adapted into the show that would’ve given them exponentially more nuance then what they had in season 8. Young griff and the Blackfyres are cut out entirely, lady stone heart is cut, pretty much everything about Eurons entire character is cut out, Victorian isn’t even in the fucking show which sucks, the entirety of Sansas storyline in feast for crows is cut out in order to remarry her to Ramsey so she can be raped. There’s so much shit that they left out of the show that would’ve not only given them nuance but it also would’ve just made the show longer giving George an opportunity to actually finish the books or at least give them more detailed outlines of what to do with the later seasons. Instead they rushed past pretty much all of feast for crows and Dance of Dragons.
That’s no excuse. They’re supposed to be writers. Write.
@@JinMeowsoon I know right? I've been reading the last 2 books and I don't remember any scenes from those books in the show
@@sergiomendoza4040 exactly I hated that they omitted storylines from a AFFC and ADWD, if they didn't want to do the amount of seasons needed to fully adapt the books then they shouldn't have been given this project (GRRM knew they didn't want as many seasons as he thought they needed so he shouldn't have given it to them) or they should've handed it to someone else who still had passion for the story.
Love how dragons can understand symbolism but can’t see hundreds of pirate ships with massive dragon killing crossbows mounted in the front
We got a good meme out of it though. Stupid pointy chair!!!!
Dragons have better media literacy than vision
Exactly like wtf were they just hiding behind the island and all of a sudden SUPRISE!
Ballistae
That moment when the dragon sees it's dead mother and the man that killed her but poignantly understands that the throne was the catalyst behind the thirst for power which drove the destiny of it's characters in the most profound manner ROAR
My biggest issue is the fact that Arya can literally impersonate anyone, so when she and Sansa successfully plot to kill Littlefinger (the only person who played all sides), they didn’t take his face. She could have easily impersonated Littlefinger, sneak into the Red Keep, kill Cersei for Dany in exchange for the north’s liberation and everything would have been fine.
Arya only face change other body cant
Sounds just like riding the eagles in LoTR
@@he.236 rly? it doesnt stop her to "be" Walder Frey
imagine if that happened and Arya encountered Jaime (who already escaped to be with Cersei) and they dueled, would be much better than the euron Vs Jaime crap
🤣😂 you and all those 873 likes are retards!! you guys miss all the details. how the hell would Littlefinger sneak into the red keeps when he is public enemy. you retards forgot he declared partners with house stark back in season ^ episode 10. yall all retards
Arya went west, Jon went north, Drogon went east and the show went south
HAHA I actually spat my tea out 😂
Somebody already posted this before you somewhere.
@@ajanaya8055 yeah on r/freefolk
Jon shoulda just gone down on Dany and all woulda gone well
I’ve never seen this before but I’m almost positive you’re not clever enough for it . Probably stole it from Reddit
I'm convinced Dany only burned down the city because they thought it would look cool
To be fair it looked really fuckin cool.
@@eonsislept207 it did look cool
But without a real reason
Yep!
they went with the "rule of cool" from pen&papers...... and rolled a nat20
Most of the things that happened... happened because the writers thought it would look cool.
Just stopped by in 2024 to be pissed again. Bravo.
yeah we will never fully recover from this lol
@@Katzenkaiser4 yup. I told everyone who would listen that it was the best television show ever made... and it wasn't even close. That was somewhere in season 5....ha.
What if they redo season 8 and then go all the way up to season 10? Sounds good but highly unlikely to happen.
@@Infiltrator_it´s time to move on brother. the only hope left is martin finishing the damn books
@@Katzenkaiser4which will happen when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves
Littlefinger’s death probably angered me the most. The fact he got outsmarted that easily despite how well established it was how smart he was was infuriating. How the hell did I figure out Sansa and Arya were plotting to kill him but he didn’t?
My best explanation would be that he severely underestimated Sansa but that makes no sense considering he literally tells her not to underestimate people and be surprised
Littlefinger died by the hands of bad writing poor fans
@@Hogsmeat same with the night king
Disclaimer: Im a bit late to the party so I got to binge watch the entire thing (thank god or i would have probably burnt my eyes out if I was hit by season 8 straight out of the oven)
tbh i just accepted the show ended in season 4, the other seasons are just parodies. I remember just powering through season 5-8 like its some kind of tedious chore, I was hate watching at that point. I remember watching season 1-4 in like 2 days, short sleeps, and even in my dreams the show was playing, I got so invested that i triggered a lucid dream where i was overseeing GOT interact, AND THEY WERE IN CHARACTER LMAOOO, ENGLISH AINT EVEN MY MOTHER TONGUE yet I can remember tyrion and ned having a playful banter in my dream, the setting was apt as well. GOT is the best show I ever watched so seeing it deteriorate slowly from season 5 onwards led me accumulating enough dread in my soul to lose faith in tv shows. I was not into tv shows back then so GOT was a painful start.
Actually there's a deleted scene of Bran telling his sisters about his scheme and wants to tear them apart and I can't believe that they didn't show that scene so it would more make sense!
I can't believe that Littlefinger is stupid enough to send Sansa back to Winterfell when The Boltons who killed his childhood crush, Caitlyn who's also Sansa's mom in Red Wedding! And he's assumed Ramsay is a good boy to take care of Sansa? Look at that guy's face! That doesn't look like a guy who can be trusted. Fucking really?
Even Book Littlefinger is smart enough to hide Sansa by making her as his alleged bastard daughter.
If you're really love Caitlyn very much, why did you do that?
And Littlefinger's story arc for the last 3 seasons is becoming Sansa's Pedophile Simp! Are you fucking kidding me?
I love Emilia Clarke for that interview.
“Best season ever” *cringe face* 😂
Big props to Nathalie Emmanuel keeping it completely straight faced knowing she wants a career after this
yeah they were just taking the piss at this point.
Not as good as Peter Dinklage's
"A sniper is pointing a gun to my head, please help"-face, when he was obligated to praise D&D for their 'skill'.
Jacob I feel so bad for her.
I may hate Dany, but i love Emilia Clarke so much, she's a national treasure, a gift to humanity
7 years: Winter is coming
5 seconds: *Winter left the chat*
After season 8: SPRING HAS COME!
*Winter is going home to Rethink its Life.*
@@JackRendar Winter: "Screw you guys, I'm going home."
Winter was coming
Winter Came
Winter saw it was not okay
Winter said : NOT TODAY
winter picked up his ball and said screw you guys im going home
The thing that makes me so angry about this show is how pointless and useless everything surrounding John Snow turned out to be. John IS the song of Ice and Fire. He is the child of Lyanna Stark (Ice) and Rheagar Targaryen (Fire). The entire story is built upon his secret lineage, the fact that he is the true heir to the Iron throne by a legitimate but secret marriage. This reveal should have been MASSIVE. His ability to ride a dragon should have been a monumental scene, similar to the type of scene that Dany was given. The revelation of his lineage was THE revelation of the show, he has a higher claim than even Dany; TEN YEARS IN THE MAKING - but it was diminished significantly. The prophecies, him being brought back to life, The Prince That Was Promised - this all goes absolutely nowhere, and had no purpose whatsoever in his destiny.
And the final nail in the coffin is that John returns to the fucking wall like the nobody bastard he started as. Everything about his arc amounts to NOTHING.
What a trash ending. An ending so bad it managed to undo the entire legacy of what would have been the greatest show of all time.
oh and he went back to a wall that was there to prevent the walkers from going south, now that there's no more walkers wtf do they need the wall or people to watch it?? it has a massive hole in it and it was created with magic, so they couldn't make it again and why would they if there's no more zombie?? all the wildlong were already south. nothing makes sense nothingggg
Absolutely, at least have him lead the white walkers like Aragorn did for the dead and then have them battle it put with Daenarys and the dragons. Then it would be a TRUE song of ice and fire.
But the strong career waman must be higher to screw up the culture even more.
Targaryens lost their right to the Throne with Baratheon’s Rebellion.
@@mirziyobwasn’t he sent to the wall for his vein of killing danny by the unsullied
It's also so infuriating how they managed Tyrion. He once was the smartest, wittiest character only rivaled by Varys and Petys and still he always had the edge.
He was such an amazing character because despite being an "imp", the unwanted son and a villain in many peoples eyes, he was still a kind mand who was always a hindred steps ahead.
But then, as soon as he starts counseling for Daenerys, all of a sudden EVERY SINGLE one of his plans, fail. And the perfectionist Queen who doesn't tolerate those kinds of mistakes decides to keep him even after he fucked up like 5 times in a row.
Tyrion from the book would've conquered the world the moment he met Daenerys, but they just hard nerfed him.
Bran did nothing for a whole season? Bran did nothing for the entire show.
The only thing he did was seeing jamie fucking his sister to start the conflict between stark and lanistar. But it was jaime who throwed bran out of the window.
So dissapointing
@@lordofcastamere9376 so, he could have died after the first episode and nothing important would have changed...
Worst character in the entire show
Dude this was the BEST SEASON ever! How can you disrespect a character like that?! What do you mean by Bran did nothing?
He sat and flew crows hey! -_-
@Lizzy Swan Great character development exactly! Finally someone who understands! Bran falls out of the window learns how to turn his eyes white, gets Summer and Hodor killed, again flies crows, looks emotionless etc etc. He has the greatest story of all. All hail Bran the Broken🙌🙌
Reason why Dany couldn’t see the iron fleet: “SHE FORGOT”...... many brain cells were lost at that moment
She might have vaguely heard about the Iron Fleet when the Sand Snakes and Yara were captured by them. She very likely did not know that upgraded, more advanced versions of the Scorpion anti-Dragon ballistae were installed on the ships of Euron's fleet. The harsh consequences of not having good intel. Perhaps Bran has only so much synaptic bandwidth and didn't have time to review those time files, particularly since he was preoccupied with events in Winterfell.
A K this would be true, except for the fact that the master of whispers TOLD her about it, and her advisors even convinced her to not launch a preemptive attack against the fleet, it’s just awful writing by D&D
Mr. Benioff, or Weiss, or whatever you are, you forgot you were a writer.
What's awful is that everything else this season was amazing. The writing was the only aspect that was a disappointment. The acting, music, cinematography, visuals and action were all incredible, arguably the best of all the seasons. If it weren't for the bullshit writing this season would have been the best of them all, the velocity would have surpassed everything else in TV history.
I’d rather they made the excuse, “Itvwas a surprise ambush.”
"I don't even feel like I watched the ending of this show, it was so unsatisfying." This is exactly how I feel, I still can't even accept what we got as an ending. There was no closure or satisfaction at all and it was so unbelievably insulting to the viewers intelligence.
It is such a shame that this show was gonna go down as the greatest television show ever made, but now it's the biggest joke and biggest disappointment in television history.
1,000%. Will be studied on how not to conclude a good series. Completely killed the fandom. Conventions for Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings exist decades later. Zero for GoT.
True. It was starting to surpass Breaking Bad for me, and then… no. Went from a 10/10 to an 8 or 9, and I often forget about it when I discuss my favorite shows.
Everyone: "what was the point of the white walkers in the show?"
...
D&D: "we kind of forgot the white walkers were in the show."
What was the point of R+L=J? That was the center of a main plot and he ends up back in the stupid North? He didn’t even get to kill the Knight King and return to the North.
What was the point of Bran (Until we could flashback and see Jon’s parentage), his story is the WORST. Jon AND Sam have better stories than Bran, and everyone else actually. Damn, Davos has a better story.
So apparently, they should have ended the series at episode 3 of Season 8, in order to preserve the importance and centrality of the Night King to the story? That would have solved that problem, right?
@@stephaniefromvirginia8744 What was the point of the Golden Company? All the gold looted from High Garden was used to pay for them. Now there's an investment that went up in smoke.
@@stephaniefromvirginia8744 The fucking direwolves have a better story than bran.
D&D: We thought we were writing Harry Potter and a good plot didn’t matter. Imagine our surprise in Season Eight when we finally realized we were writing Game of Thrones. It was like, Hey wait, Game of What?
"Jon is sad because everyone is mad at each other"
I burst out laughing at that
@Michael Artemis They didn't have the balls to release an inside episode, so we will never know how they will justify that.
I read that in David Benioff's voice. Just like when he says "Dany kinda forgot"
*sits there with a confused face staring at all the sassy women in his life*
Me too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, we should do a parody together of this bullshit 😅😅
I was laughing so hard and now reading your comment Im laughing about it again. Jons gloomy face when he says that was priceless
I’ve liked Brienne all throughout the show. I’m barely ok with her falling in love with Jamie, but her breaking down into tears when he rode away and refusing to do anything about it was terrible. Especially after only spending like 2 days romantically involved with him.
Disagree. She spent literally years doubting this man. Her walls fall slowly and when she finally really lets him in he leaves. Her not being emotional about that would’ve been weird af
@@jakecollin5499 Crying is obviously ok, but Brienne just standing there not saying anything after Jamie characterised himself as the worst person alive is not. He showed her and others compassion. She cared for him. Character development thrown into the trash can within 2 minutes.
@@albatross7075um or maybe that’s just what he ended up being like in the end? no “character development”
Yeah i'm never going to get the disappointment people have with Tough Iconoclastic Upright Rebel Lady Figure having layers of complexity to her that might make her cry over a dude.
@@thedacardea416 yeah I’ve kinda softened on this scene over time, my main problem now is her not doing anything after the betrayal except making sure he’s remembered fondly
It's crazy how Winterfell refused to join the Seven Kingdoms when a frickin' Stark sat on the throne.
And the Iron Islands didn't make a point of declaring independence.
Why do any of the other kingdoms bother? The targ dynasty (the rightful heirs to the iron throne, even Bobby B had to find he was related in order to have a claim) is gone. Nothing is keeping them from all dissolving into divided countries proper again
@@redbloodcell4047neither does Dorne who fought the longest for independence
It's crazy how they were granted independence by the first Stark king and everyone was fine and didn't instantly get mad at this extremely preferential treatment. Like damn we got a Stark king and the first thing he does is kiss the ass of the north at the cost of everyone else
In every interview about season 8, the cast looks like they're being held hostage
Tara Jones leading up to season 7 I remember almost every cast member was saying best season to date. Not One cast member said this about s8 except Emilia in a sarcastic way.
That one Peter Dinklage interview was hard to watch. It was so awkward and obvious he didn't mean what he was saying
@@jjgen736 I think she was speaking from the viewpoint of her character. Same with the other actors who said it was disappointing. I could be wrong but actors don't usually shit talk things they're in. It's just bad business ethics, especially before something is released
@Cherry Muse There were HBO snipers aiming at his head. It is known.
I really enjoyed this last season. Now I know why it was terrible and awful. But I enjoyed it nonetheless.
If you think about it, this show ended in the most Game of Thrones way possible. But instead of killing off a bunch of well loved characters it killed off the whole fanbase.
@curio honestly, I have rewatched it a few times and I just skipped the last 2 seasons no problem. The shittiness of Seasons 7 and 8 don't diminish the incredible things from the first 6 seasons for me
Lol!! Sooo well said!!! I don’t even freaking care about their prequel now. I refuse to watch it.
@@techeepeach9272 why as the guy above just said the first 6 seasons where still incredible
im sure they can do it again in the prequal
I still think Disney coming to Benioff and Weiss and pitching them the Star Wars trilogy was what started it. Disney execs wanted Game of Thrones to be toast, and what better way then to manipulate the creators into fucking it over.
'shocked weebay meme' seriously tho spittin straight facts
When I heard that the writers caught up to books I was like “Oh I’m sure it’ll still be fine, they’ve been writing these characters for ages” then I watched one episode and I felt all positivity drain out of me across that one episode and I just stopped. My mum and dad continued and after the last episode of the series my mum was livid and dad wouldn’t even let me ask, just immediately shut me down when I asked “what was so bad”. That’s how I found out just how bad it was
Book readers have the worst take about any show based on a book.
@@dustinjackson3318 yep, that's TOTALLY what happened there.
Lol such a goofy ass hOt TaKe 🤪
@@dustinjackson3318Reader here.
I read the books all together after seeing the show.
And I think it was worse for me, than for those who read them when they came out.
Aside from characters not appearing on the show, and unless Martin changes everything he's previously written, the story is going in a completely different direction.
I heard of an story that at season 7 George told the show runners they needed at least 12 seasons in total to do the Song of Ice and Fire properly. But D&D swore they could do it in 8, and well, we see how that ended up.
I didn’t watch the show but I remember all the insane disappointment from friends. I’m currently reading the series though
As disappointing as the last two seasons were, I would highly recommend watching the show once you’ve finished the books. It really is some of the best television to ever exist. Also, if you haven’t already, I’d also recommend reading Fire & Blood and then watching House of the Dragon. Ooh and then read A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms with Dunk and Egg! Also, A World of Fire and Ice is an amazing companion book! The amount of detail GRR Martin puts into his world building is mind boggling!
Pretty sure Dumb and dumber actually wanted to do 7 seasons but HBO was like come on bruh you can do 8 and then they said we will do 13 episodes and no more and HBO said okay if that’s what will be needed. They just wanted it to be over. Honestly I think it would have been better if they just fully got there way. Kinda think they knew what they did was bad but just didn’t care
Wow be prepared to greater disappointment because storylines are really not finished to this day with no book release in sight.
Apparently George said that he wanted 10 seasons to actually finish the job properly
"He feels like a guy who just wandered onto the set from another show."
Best description of Euron Greyjoy ever.
Milo Cooper tbh he’s like the opposite version of Daryl Dixon
Eroun Greyjoy is the Creed Bratton of GoT
Pilou (Euron's actor) was allowed to choose his own costume after his first appearance. He wanted to look like a rockstar (he said so in an interview). Pilou's train of thought was similar to D&D's.
He killed some of the worst characters on the show so that gives him a semi-pass for me.
But what show? My guess is Black Flag.
Tyrion: "Bran, you should be king".
Bran: "I can't be king".
Tyrion: "But you must be king".
Bran: "K"
Bran: "Tyrion, you will be hand".
Tyrion: "I can't be hand".
Bran: "But you must be hand".
Tyrion: "K"
😂😂😂
POOPY
😂😂
Pure gold.
You sir won the internet
You could consider Grey Worm/The Unsullied as a whole other character arc/plot that screwed up the ending; they occupied Kings Landing, held Jon as prisoner for killing their queen despite being free men, and demanded he serve justice. With how Jon's claim to the throne existed, he should have had no reasosn to serve time or justice, and got sent to a Nights Watch that the realm no longer had need for. Then what do they do? They pack up a ship and leave for Naath. There was no reason for them to keep Jon, occupy Kings Landing, only to leave when they had no reason to stay in the first place. Just seems like D&D had no real clue what to do with them.
D&D had no clue what to do with the entire series once they ran out of books and dialogue FROM the books to use.
Once they were on their own, they were terrible. I think that Game of Thrones is more of a testament to GRRM's writing ability than D&D's directing prowess. It was basically two monkeys given a piano that plays it's own music as long as they put batteries in it, but once the batteries ran out, they still had no idea how to use and essentially shit on the piano, flung it against the wall and walked away from it.
The show runners straight rushed to end it because they were set to make Star Wars movies. They fucked GOT up so bad that they lost Star Wars
*Tyrion:* It's not for you to decide.
*Grey Worm:* YOU ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK!
*Tyrion:* 'he speaks for 3 minutes and decides the Fate of Westeros'
this was the craziest bit for me,he just killed a queen grey worms saviour,and he is told not to speak as he is a prisoner...then he decides all of their fates and everyone agrees its up to him?????wtf
Grey worm: *pikachu face*
Brad Headband
I know, why would anyone listen to anymore of Tyrion’s bad advice.
Bran: I dont want to be king
Tyrion: Bran pls be king
Bran: Why do you think i came all this way
bravo dabid, bravo
"I DONT WANT THA THROOOONE!! SHES MA KWEEEN!"
-Jon for all of szn 8
My Brudas where is da kweeen?
the spiciest taco 😂so true
Did anyone else just automatically read that with an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice?
Someone visits r/freefolk
@@slyceth You mean the scene when the mountain make the head of the Viper explode?? This was the best scene ever aired on TV's. Grow up, it was never meant to be a show for little children.
When the actor who played Bran did the reading prior to Season 8, he seriously felt that someone gave him a prank script, it was that bad. Sadly for him and everyone else, it was the real thing.
If you watch the video of the casts doing table reading on Season 8, you can see Varys' actor immediately flipped his script after learns how he dies.
Fact that actors other writers and producers gave different ideas and D&D ego got in the way shows how much they didn't care about anyone and everything. The actor who played ser barastain selmy spoke up against the direction his character was going compared to the books D&D just killed off his character cuz they got butt hurt.
This TH-cam video was written better then the last season and I’m not joking
Jon being a Targaryen had no impact on the story really
Absolutely. Except making everyone uncomfortable with the incest
MilkPudding even tho nobody really had a problem with the incest yet it was used as an excuse to create drama
Night King had no impact on the story either. He was literally there only to make Dany´s army weaker so she can use that as an argument in the fight with Jon. The funniest thing ever that they did not even continue with the whole "i lost my army" considering the fact that she had them again in the KL.
It lets him stealth past Drogon lmao
had ahuge impact on dany's decision to destroy King's Landing and her choice to rule through fear instead of love.
What I find funny is how smart Tyrion is as a drunk in the earlier seasons but gets dumber and dumber as he sobers up lmao
Tyrion fucks up a lot but fixes all his mistakes at last in seasons 5 to 6. In season 7 and 8 I'm still wondering to this day why Dany didn't throw him off the highest roof
@@smileandnodd supercuts delight said the same thing, he was like does alcohol make him smart
💀
Wine is the equivalent of charisma points in GOT
He did say "I drink and I know things" so, maybe he actually meant it. He drinks, and then he knows things
One of my biggest pet peeves was Sansa doing nothing in the crypt when she was given a knife and there were people getting massacred down there
My issue with that is when Jon was King in the North she heard him order every male & female to train in combat. She's 5'9" (taller than Jon & Arya) and able bodied and it was an apocalypse and she had people who could've taught her at least the basics of self defense but she refused.
What I want to know is how the fuck skeletons managed to smash through solid stone
Out of everything that happened in that episode that’s what annoyed you the most 💀
I just finished the series today, how does nobody talk about how we saw thousands of people get wiped out by the white walkers, basically everyone, yet after they kill the night king their armies are perfectly fine? I thought there was going to be some creative way they would have to defeat cersei due to lack of numbers. But no, just a regular old battle with a massive army. Hell, their plan was to surround the city!? WHERE DID THIS ARMY COME FROM
HBO: you got 10 episodes to wrap this up
D&D: 6 take it or leave it
Ryan: man babies
JRR Marting: For a good story, this should take somewhere between 10-12 seasons
D&D: Nope, 7 it is
HBO: DUDES! NO! NO! NO! Our money!
D&D: Okay... 8. But take it or leave it.
HBO: "... okay."
@@MaJuV 8 but the last 2 are pretty much half seasons
HBO: No wait, guys, that's not how you haggle. See, I'm supposed to set a low number and you're supposed to set a high...
D&D: Yes.
@@Lupostehgreat Six for this, you must be mad!
And now its like GoT never existed. A massive cultural influence vanished into thin air. What a bad ending can do to a show is truly astonishing
Influence?
Not for those of us who enjoyed it. I loved every minute of it.
@@Thomas-kj1fk Well, but most of the viewers hated it
this. No one talks about it. No one cares. Its truly amazing how you can kill one of the most influential shows in the history of tv with 6 episodes.
This show used to be referenced CONSTANTLY, it was almost as quotable as Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. Now nobody references it anymore. You’d think if the show ended on good or at least decent terms, people would still reference and joke about it. Literally the only time you hear people talking about Game of Thrones now is when they’re talking about how badly the ending of that show was fucked up
If people manage to guess your ending before it happens, it doesn’t necessarily just mean you are overly predictable. It just means your story made sense and the conclusion is logical.
If you subvert expectations by doing something wildly different, that isn’t clever. It makes your story absolutely insane.
As disappointing as the last seasons were i think my biggest letdown was Selmy's death. Here's a man who can win 1v1 against Brienne, the Hound, Jaime, the Mountain, Oberyn, Jon & Robert and who could still very possibly kill half of them if they all banded together against him, and he dies getting shoved around by a mob of paper masked nobodies. Shame.
It was when i tapped out. For me, 😊it was the first deathbon the show that felt badly written and kinda dumb.
D&D didn't just kill the show, they killed its rewatchability. If the show had lived up to the hype until the very ending, it would've become a timeless classic. But thanks to D&D, rewatching it, knowing how it ends, will never be worth it.
Can confirm... I was ok with the battle; except arya killing the night king when that was JOHN'S story.
But killing the dragon out of NOWHERE? Now jamie? And now missandei. I just cannot. When they cut the scene right before Bran tells arya and sansa about Jon...
This is the hottest pile of fucking garbage I've seen and I regret rewatching the show. Its just shit scene after shit scene, after shit scene. There's no moment of sweetness, satisfaction.
If you're thinking of rewatching it... don't.
@@Ava-ns4go I rewatch it, then I stop at about season 8, episode 2 and then make up my own ending in my head.
Not only that. They kind of ruined the book ending as well, as if the ending is the same, there is no surprise :(
D&D didn't make the series "jump the shark", because that phrase implies pushing an established plot structure too far. They simply didn't give a fuck, They ignored established plot structures (or didn't understand them), and so blithely wiped out seasons-long arches, as well as all seven seasons of previous, detailed plot development. They weren't interested, and and they didn't even bother pretending they were.
It's still *so* frustrating. It feels like spending seven years investing in a special, beloved pet project, then at the last minute having some disinterested expert come in, take control, drop a massive, steaming dump on it, and walk away.
Truth. I wanted to rewatch to see the early seasons, but then I got mad that the end sucked and I just didn't bother, lol.
Season 8 Its like doing your homework 5 minutes before class.
have you tried doing your homework in 30 seconds?
Perfect 👍
Seen some one else comment this good job
Bell inglese viterbese
EXACTLY!
You are very smart for seeing these points and being able to articulate them in a clear way to your audience. Good job!
I really hate when people say “They ran out of books.” D&D didn’t even adapt the material from the books! If they had the show would’ve been much better and probably could’ve went 11 seasons. They didn’t have to make up nonsense if they just adapted the book material that they had! They didn’t run out of material they just didn’t adapt it. They had more than enough material.
The real problem is that as a writer it's impossible to write characters that are smarter than you are.
I feel this cuz one character in my book im writing is suppose to be the smartest person in the world but im just a stupid high school kid so writing is kind of hard
This is a very underrated comment.
@@yodelingshrimp8316 Have you ever watch death note? I hear it's a great anime, I'm not saying fashion your character off of it but it should at least help.
@@omnianimator8468 ya i need to finish it and i get what you mean
@Cthulhu All-Spark ill keep that in mind. thx
My biggest issue is that they been talking about “Winter is Coming” since episode 1 and Winter is over in one episode???
I'm assuming that it will be an entire novel for the Whyte story line to wrap up and an entire book for the Dany v Cersei to wrap up. And like huge 1000+ books for both. So the books seem like they are on the right track in terms of pacing and being more consistent.
Edit. I'm sure he's fretting quite a bit over wrapping up in 2 novels time. He may have to cut books in half again. Did that work for the last two novels? Yes and no.
@@Bradley_Lute Have you seen GRRM. That dude is going to die before he finish his books. All of us will be left disappointed.
I agree they built up the Night King for so long just for him to die in episode 3. They should have made him the last villain to die not Cersei
@@igiveyouthefacts I'm assuming they were following the way things happen in the unwritten books. Winds of winter is likely the big showdown with the White walkers and a dream of spring is likely the showdown with Cersei. GRRM got the idea from lord of the rings. The issue though, is that they compressed both of these plots into the last two seasons but gave too much weight to the whites and didn't have enough time to flesh out the battle for Kings Landing.
Climate change. Duh /s
It was a big mistake like 10 years ago when everyone started praising media for "subverting expectations".
If the twist can be anticipated from the plot's direction and themes, that's not a mistake, that is good. That means it's a good, coherent story.
Subverting those expectations can also be a good thing, if you either 1) subvert common tropes in ways that are logical for your story, or 2) foreshadow a narrative twist subtly enough where it's still there, but may not be apparent on a first watch. 1) is a Ned Stark's death in GoT. 2) is Sixth Sense. The last season (or two) of GoT is just a twist for the sake of a twist, it is the equivalent of wattpad writers throwing a tantrum over someone guessing their ending.
The end of GoT is like when Robot Chicken makes fun of M Night Shamalan when something happens and he pops up to say what a twist
"I'm sure in a few years, we'll get the real, official ending"
Oh, you sweet summer child.
It would have been so cool if Danny gradually went crazy over like 4 more seasons but instead they did it all in 2 episodes
Why would D&D do that to my queen 😔👊🏽
Or even a time jump! Have the last episode or two take place after she’s been queen a few years. But D&D had her lose her mind overnight bc her nephew didn’t want to bone her anymore.
@@bangtanruinedmylifeinabeau5616 because they wanted to work on their fantasy show where the confederacy and slavery still existed. thank god that never worked out.
although i agree it was badly done, i still think there were hints of her insanity all around. first showing the targaryen nature, the ‘flipping a coin’ analogy, then showing the way she often makes mistakes, especially with the ruling of mereen. the way she snapped and burned all the masters, along with the way jorah, barristan, and later tyrion were all trying to suppress her rashest impulses. with all of them gone she faces the final enemy, and therefore snaps on westeros
@@lucasnyman5424 she was definitely headed that way, but they went from gradually ramping up towards The Mad Queen to straight vertical climb into the stratosphere.
This guy did a rewrite of just the Battle of Winterfell episode and the last two episodes that actually makes sense, and fit into the constraints of the short season. It can be done, but D&D weren’t interested in trying.
th-cam.com/video/UJaI95_ATw0/w-d-xo.html
*tyrion :* we should all be ruled by this creepy kid in wheelchair over there....bran the broken
*literally everyone who isn't from the north :* who??
C Vox yea that’s basically what happened and also you forgot they voted for him king even though they know nothing about him
He's Ned Stark's son, people know him
Not to mention about who the fuck tells all Westeros about Bran being the Three Eyes Raven and how did they know what does three eyes raven mean?
WHOMST?
Someone who literally said “I can’t relate to people, I mostly live in the past now”
I also never understood grey worm in the end. He actually gains a heart in the later seasons and then decides to kill innocent civilians and poor people even tho that’s what he was against from the beginning. All because he was following his queen. Made no sense
Howdy from 2023, still waiting on that sixth book...
Bran: "Yes, I can. I'M KING."
"Any man who must say, 'I am the king' is no true king."
- Tywin Lannister
Tbf as stupid it was to make bran king that line actually kinda made sense in that context. Grey worm tells them they can pick a king (idk why the biggest lords of westeros suddenly need grey worms approval for aynthing) and then when they do he immediately tries to shit on the first thing the "king" does. It felt like grey worm needs some sort of a reminder that at the end of the day he's a nobody because he was acting like he owns westeros
What bugs me is quote "Wy do you think i came all this way?" As Brans response for Tyrions question if he'll be the king... he doesnt want to be one and he did all that nothing just to be one? I have missed something or i really dont know
@@PlesnivejSejra lol and in the very same scene he goes on to say "i dont want to be king" and none of the 15 people sitting there seem to pick up on this fuckery
Power is power. - Cercei Lannister
@@peterumathum4903 exactly! And here i always thought im simple consumer and i wont see these kind of bad writings...
Brandon Stark: I'm not Brandon Stark anymore, I can never be lord of anything, I'm the three eye raven.
Tyrion: hey Brandon Stark, wanna be king?
Brandon Stark: Yes, being king is my destiny, I'm Brandon Stark, son of Ned Stark.
Don't forgot Samwell saying Jon is the only true king, and Bran himself confirming it
@@hellowill Then Bran later has the audacity to say "why do you think I came all this way?" so instead of backing the true king you proclaimed earlier, his whole plan was to take the crown from Jon. What a joke
Not to mention Jon, even though I'm usurping your throne, you will also go back to the Night's Watch... What the fuck. This season totally mind fucked me. I swear they shot it all different had it all ready and then some how all servers pcs IOS etc. Crashed and the the REAL season eight was lost for ever... Yeah in my dreams where Daenerys still desstroys Kingslanding, and I get to watch her sit the Iron Throne. 😖
@Kessroy He only sees the past, not the future. It made no sense for him to say that. The writers constantly did this thing where they asked themselves "whats the most quotably in-character thing this character could say right now?" and just did that no matter how out of place or ridiculous it was taken in larger context.
@Kessroy i don't remember that, was that in the show? the only dreams i remember him having were nonsensical.
I agree with almost all of this. Yeah the writing went downhill, but in defense of seasons 5 and 6, season 5 was more of a build up season to everything that happens in 6 and beyond, they might have balanced it better but it was still good. For season 6, the reason Cersei decided to blow them up and she changed was because of the Walk of Shame. The whole city saw her walk naked and she was brutally humiliated, and the whole continent would sure as hell hear about it. And she was never loved. I can see how that kind of trauma and anger would end up with her being mad and not giving a shit about subtlety anymore. But yeah… it was VERY weird how that kind of blatant despotism didn’t result in a rebellion by the people in Kings Landing, and how come most of the other lords didn’t think it was an issue later on. I think the scene was well earned, but the aftermath was horribly handled.
Only good thing about season 8 is that it motivated me to read the books,because I knew George will make much better ending.
You know when emilia Clark can't find the positive side of season 8 no one can
Actually really respect her for a moment of honesty rather than fake shilling
True....
Apparently she was so upset when she read the scripts for the final season she cried, went for a walk, and called friends and family.
@@Sough I mean several of them have had that reaction. Oh hell all of them probably have that reaction, even if they don't say it in front of a camera.
Best season ever!!!! Emilia Clark's demeanor said it all.
First Bran went out the window
Then Tommen went out the window
Then writing went too
Still someone show me how great writing could have saved it with only 6 episodes left.. it couldn't. Especially if they didn't kill off the white walkers so easily
Michael Xz
It's a shame the show couldn't : /
Ser Writing of House Benioffandweiss is truly the worst character in Game of Thrones.
The writing went out the window long before Tommen. Remember the bad p00sy, the north remembers
SerNoddicusTheGallant truth!!
Jon has always had a hero's journey. Not after the show drifted away from the books. He has had a hero's journey since book 1, it's just so subtly written, hidden deep beneath all the other big stuff happening in the series. He is the ultimate main character of the series, after all he is literally the song(son) of ice (lyanna) and fire (rhaegar). It was a fresh and creative interpretation of the hero's journey concept, and D&D just subverted our expectations by having him do absolutely nothing of importance in the culmination of the plot he's been integral to since season 1, the very reason he got fkn resurrected for. Thanks a lot.
He's going to be an anti-hero, dnd didn't understand that necromancy is not a good thing and that those reanimated through dark magic will never be the same people afterward. We already have an example of this who is not Jon.
i thought it was a song of ice and fire as in jon (ice) and dany (fire)
@@RED-my9hlme too i really dont believe azor ahai is jon or only jon
it happens nearly with every tv shows. chaos multiplies as the show's universe expands, it's hard to not flop a show.
I just don’t understand why ANY show gets made if the story line isn’t fully thought out. Completely setting it up for failure.
Imagine if D&D had gone the mange/anime route and gave us a bunch of beach and hot springs episodes until books caught up
I'm not even sure that would be worse, actually.
p.s. Manga don't do that since they don't have to wait for any books to catch up
@@SchrollShepard Yea thats what I meant with 'manga/anime' namely talking about the anime adaptations of manga
Weeb smh
@@SchrollShepard untrue! A lot of Japanese light novels are adapted into manga while the LN is still running. An example of this is The Devil Is A Part-Timer. Not all anime originate from manga :)
@@tessieract I never said all anime comes from manga, what are you talking about, friend?
You're definitely right, but generally speaking a manga won't have anything to catch up to, because chances are it's the original source.
Thanks for the correction, however.
The final season was so bad nobody talks about the show as a whole anymore, it looks like it never existed.
Except for us, still furiously obsessed cos of our collective storytelling blue balls.
i'll be watching got for the first time, what seasons should i only watch to avoid the bad writing?
@@wihoemhae watch the first 4 seasons then drop it
@@wihoemhae i'd watch at least 1-6. Things does start to become suspicious after 4 but IMO it doesn't really go to shit until S7. 7 and 8 are just an absolute mess, ESPECIALLY season 8.
@@wihoemhae I concur watch 1 to 6
Season 7 starts to go downhill and rushes many storylines yet is still 100x better than the utter train crash that is Season 8.
The whole arya killing the night king upset me so much. Was hoping we would learn more about the night king
I don't like how the show turned into world war z it doesn't feel like game of thrones I think the white walkers should be more magical then swarming the world with zombies
I thought when Danerys started incineration people was a foreshadowing of her being the mad queen.
The "I never really cared for the people" line is where i gave up completely
Right?!
Protecting the f*cking innocents was his whole f*cking deal!!
I knew that this show was dead back in season 7. When John Snow and his merry men go north of the wall to try and find the white walkers to bring one of the dead back. That was absolutely terrible
Me too. I was like "what f is this" it felt as Cersei bewitched Jaime with her vagina.
Made me wanna throw my whole tv away. Just throw it all away. Fkn D&D... 🤬
pat waddington finally!!! Someone that agrees?
In 36 years I have NEVER seen something that was such a phenomenon, leave the public zeitgeist so quickly. This is a show that took over media around the world and yet here we are, barely a year later, and it’s almost never mentioned anymore. It goes to show how a messed up ending can completely ruin a piece of works legacy.
So fucking true
ya no joke... even mentioning Game of thrones at this point is cringey af.
DarksUper3DgeLord Toufiq not at all. Even with the ending, seasons 1-6 were so well done the show remains one of the best shows of all time. People who think otherwise, or were that disappointed by the ending, never understood the show in the first place. And your comment confirms you are one of those people. If you really understood the show, you wouldn’t say, “cringey af”.
@@jking4973 imagine if they ended breaking bad by curing Walter whites cancer, having his family all love him and go and live together in a massive mansion and its all fine. That's how badly they ended game of thrones, you may disagree but that's my opinion. If you enjoyed the ending then fair play to you 👏
@@Jamesmac95 y'all are trying to speak logically to a stan account with a Daenerys avatar.
The fact that during table reads actors and other writers and producer's spoke up and gave different ideas and D&D just let their ego get in the way.
At one point when young Ned hears Bran and turns around and it cuts to the ravens face i honestly thought ….
Did Bran just realise he may be able to influence the past if he can in somewhat interact with it ?
Imagine the potential
Aaaaaand an entire season of dick jokes is all we got. My imagination exploded after that episode and they couldn’t be bothered to use it for ANYTHING.
“Danny’s fall to the dark side is more abrupt and jarring than Anakin Skywalker’s. And yet somehow she still has a higher body count.”
This killed me😂😂🤣🤣
It makes me cry and laugh. Anakin started falling to the dark side since episode 2 when he slaughtered a village...but it was years prior. Dany becomes a Sith Lord in one episode and with no time lapse in between.
Just like Daenerys apparently
true. Darth Vader has a pretty low body count. Everbody killed more. Even Brienne killed more.
@@v-mouse You missed the part when Anakin slaughtered an entier village to say such a thing ? The joke about Vader having low body count was compared to Daenerys who killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE on her dragon while turning dark side in like an hour.
I'm talking about Darth Vader not Anakin. AS Darth Vader he has not been very successful as a "great Villain".
"She's the most boring character to follow."
Me: "laughs in Bran."
I was actually offended by Tyrion saying Bran should be king because he had the best story.
Myself and a large chunk of the fandom had been complaining for years that his story was the worst.
In the show, anyway. It's slightly better in the books. Still not great though. Interesting how he ate Jojen, but not all that interesting.
Daenerys and Brans chapters are really fun and interesting to follow in my opinion. I LOVE Brans chapters, we really get a new view of the magic side of the world and in Daenerys chapters you learn more about the culture and politics of Essos and there are DRAGONS! What more can you ask for.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human How are his chapters not interesting???
I’ve only read the first book so far but bran is really interesting imo
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human Imo brans story was good until after theon came and he left and then it went to shit. The only thing good is the Hodor arc and Aegon Targaryen reveal. I think they went by really well tbh. After Brans story got even worse lmao he really had so much potential. I always thought he'd become a badass like what Aryas meant to be. I'd love to see him use his powers properly and same with Arya.
This is such a good explanation. I laughed countess times with all the funny edits & comments! Good stuff here💯
13:39 Not to mention that the surrender bells directly contradicts one of the few good things that D&D wrote themselves all the way back in season 2 for the Battle of the Blackwater.
It’s crazy how this show had SUCH a bad ending that it literally erased itself from pop culture. This show went from “mainstream, one of the most popular TV shows, almost as quotable as Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, most people know about it” to “mostly forgotten, hasn’t been popular in years, literally never referenced anymore, only actually remembered by disgruntled people who used to be fans”. It was so shitty it literally undid the show’s entire legacy and reputation, now it’s just “that one show that everyone used to watch”. I don’t think a bad ending on that scale has been replicated before, nor do I think it will be again. It’s THE most infamous show ending ever.
Imma gonne watch game of thrones for the first time today wish me luck
@@Moesie man don't waste your time but hey you were warned
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 i did but I did speed up a little, skipped all the talks. I kept the excellent scene of the beatifull ladies 😂👍.
So it took me like 10 minutes to watch each episode and the fighting scenes. But i skipped all the talks
It's nearly identical to how Dexter was some of the best TV ever capped off by a horribly written ending. Only on an infinitely larger scale.
@@Moesie incredible troll lmao
I can't believe they elected a Google server to be King of the six Kingdoms
That some foreshadowing for the real world
Ok Google, how do I keep 6 kingdoms together in a union when none of them have any motivation to stay and they just learned you can simply ask to leave?
Boldevin you need to have level 6 in bad writing, done
Boldevin As soon as Bran gave his consent for the North to split from the rest of the realm, that should have been the end of the Seven Kingdoms right then and there. Yara and the Dornish Prince (two people representing two kingdoms with a LONG history of fighting for independence) should have risen up out of their seats and declared their independence as well.
@@randomnamegbji to be fair the new system does have its perks for people who stay. if you leave you get to rule your kingdom but if you stay you have a chance of ruling all 6.
3 years in I'm just gonna wait for Game of Thrones: Brotherhood
The turn for Cersai made sense. She was pushed to the point where she knew being subtle wasn't working so she decided to say f it. I think it was a good charcter development from her. Too bad they did nothing with her after
I agree, the issue is basically nothing came from such a dramatic act. The people just kinda forgot they were cheering on a populist theocratic movment and hated Cersie. Many nobles got killed, the only effect was the Tyrrells switching side just to be easily destroyed in the next episode and forgotten too. Tommon dying should have affected Cersie alot more too, since she caused it
@@Nathan-jh1ho it's like they forgot about how big the city was and just made the city into some short of caricature of itself. Never going into any depth after she blew most of it up.
Breaking Bad had the most satisfying ending of all shows. And that series never had any books or material to adapt from. You just need better writers, that's all.
Breaking Bad is also the greatest show of all time.. GoT tried but failed..
There are only 5 characters also and a very common storyline(selling drugs to help your family), GoT is way more complex
@@miguelvarona463 Ah yes breaking bad only has 5 characters. All the other cast were ghosts all along.
@@MrWhite-ru3oz Lmao it says something when people are still pissed about game of thrones
@@miguelvarona463 GoT is more complex??? Bwahahaha, lol.
It might be on much bigger scale - but Breaking Bad is far more complex and deep show. you can even make Connection with fucking God or Jesus with some characters. Fucking swimming pools have depth behind them.
dude that 35 minutes was more satisfying than the last season of GOT
I litteraly didn't want the video to end
I am watching at 4 am and thought I am seeing a 10 minute video, until I saw your comment. 😂
I absolutely agree, I couldn't agree anymore. The hole last season left a wierd feeling in me, an empty space, that literally shouts for itself to be filled.
I don't want to agree with that, but I feel like I do. However, I think the commentary in this video is a bit too critical.
fuck yes
Wonderful summary - couldn't agree more. Another thought about Jon Snow - I would rather have seen more power in learning his real identity as the true male heir to the throne and Denarys stepping aside because of that truth, regardless of her wanting to 'break the wheel'. Everyone but she and Tyrion wanted him to lead, so I would like to have seen him set aside his claim of 'not wanting it', the same way he accepted to be Commander of the Night's Watch. I agreed with Denarys' death at Jon's hand because it avoided more war but then to not automatically be King and especially become a prisoner of the Dothraki was my greatest disappointment. It erased everything his mother and Eddard Stark had done to keep him alive. It negated everything he had done to fight the undead and gave no purpose to his resurrection. Maybe I wanted more of a Return Of The King event like with Aragorn's story in LOTR. By ignoring him like this, rather than a 'better world for everyone', we were left with a dull ordinary world; Bran and Sansa ruling and the Small Council discussing routine city government affairs. We watch these shows to be entertained and that's not entertaining. Eight years and to close like this? Yawn. After watching the behind the scenes features of the last season, I think everyone just got tired of producing the show for so long and ran out of gas. They didn't have anything left so they just threw together an easy ending to be done with it all.
I disagree on the Cersei thing, the Sparrows were a perfect foil for her because the high Sparrow couldnt be corrupted or manipulated through her regular tactics, that's why she had to blow them up, although it would've been more interesting to see her face more consequences as a result of such a bold move but i do think it makes sense why ahe would do it.
"We wanted to surprise the fans, so we Kinda killed the show." D&D
hbo killed the show, they forced dnd to fit to much into 1 season
@@beianli4620 OMG really??
@@kosmo7411
_> they forced dnd to fit to much into 1 season_
Except even if this was true, there's plenty of wasted screen time.
And this is no excuse for gross inconsistency anyway.
@@beianli4620 If only they had the same attitude towards Rome a couple of years ago.
Creative_Plays hbo wanted at least 10 seasons (it was their golden goose), but D&D wanted to go and do new Star Wars saga, and were so hung up with themselves to let other team finish those seasons.
Season 1-7: The dead are a really, really big problem!
Season 8: They gone now, lol.
You mean they wrapped up a storyline in the final season of the show?! Those fuckers.
Freys were seen as motherfuckers for 7 seasons, they died in 2 minutes without any expectation, was that a problem ? More than 2 hours have been gave for the preparation and the fight itself of the long night against the dead (episode 2 and 3 of season 8, I don't even mention episode 1), this is enough.
It’s not enough. It’s nowhere near enough. The first two episodes were just people walking and talking. You probably liked it cause you never liked the white walker storyline. There’s a pattern showing with people defending this shit.
@@clem72tro The Freys weren't magical or mysterious. We know most of what's important about the Freys when they were first introduced. We have known practically nothing about the white walkers or Night king besides a few things like them taking the babies and all but we never got a true motive. Sure they said he wants to destroy all life or whatever, but we never actually see that from the Night King.
The Night King was built up since season one - he was seen as impossible to kill and yet he dies on the very first attack south by one blow to the chest in the middle of his undead army.
@JamieLan2011And if the White Walkers are defeated in one night in the book, what are you going to say about that?
Imagine _Game of Thrones_ as if you’re dining at an elegant restaurant. The appetizers are delectable-some of the best food you've ever tasted. The main course is second to none. You’re on cloud nine. Dessert arrives, expecting another hole in one, and it disappoints. No, it's not crummy. It's not on par with what was served before. Now comes the digestif, but instead of the after-dinner drinks, the manager walks up to you and randomly douses you in chocolate syrup.
I'd put it in terms of eating the best food I've ever had. While eating the desert, I suddenly noticing the taste and texture is off, and see I've ate part of a dead cockroach with maggots in it. Proceeds to throw up the whole thing
love the outro 😂😻
- not bc the video is over though. the video was great 😊 thank you!
Instead of Danny "kinda forgetting" the fleet they should have killed the dragon in the attack on Kings Landing, the literal next episode, and use it as a catalyst to her destroying the city.
It's such a simple fix it's crazy no one thought about it.
Kishibe Rohan that’s exactly what I thought after watching episode 5. In Addition, they also should have killed missandei at the start of episode 5
Yes, that would have worked flawlessly! Don't know about the "mad ruler" thing, but it would have motivated the slaughter.
Even with the story they went with, all they had to do was put the ships there in the open. Dany sees them and flies in to torch them (because that was the plan all along) and once she is close they uncover the weapons that were hidden and shot the dragon down.
Are you the Real Rohan Kishibe?
Kishibe Rohan they should have had the bells ring then Cersei blow up wildfire in the city killing Missandei and a hidden ballista kills rhaegal. But even then I only see her burning the RK.
This is the show that gave non-anime/manga people a taste of what it feels like to watch a Anime that had to split from the manga halfway through because it wasn't finished yet.
to be honest Full Metal Alchemist was not as bad as this! they also knew when and how to end it in a quick and timely manner, but i feel you.
One Anime that nailed this concept was Gintama where they spent half a season going back and covering missed Gag arcs/chapters. The anime crew called it the Split Arc as it changed directions from the main plot. however, Gintama got lucky since they Mangaka Sorachi provided these comedy chapters.
Maybe watch videos before commenting.. He said that exact thing at the beginning of this video...
Maybe D&D should have taken notes from the staff of FMA 2003, they had even less to work with and made it even better than mangahood.
@Rando don't forget the original Hellsing anime too. That one went South real quick.
@@sweetyfri That's why I hardly watch anime now, and read a lot of manga, and even Light Novels. Everytime they announce a new adaptation, I quickly take a grasp of the source, get hooked, and when the anime is aired, I completly pass it, because I hate "original endings". Same will happen to me in the upcoming Wheel of Time series, and some other fantasy adaptations. I will keep the good memories of the books,
instead of reliving this bitter experience, and wasting years of my time.
I think GRRM realized that D&D didn’t care about his vision, so he gave them a fake ending and waited for the show to finish so he could deviate. I think GRRM pulled off a great trick AND still got his cut. Man’s a genius
Idk it’s weird to think the GRRM wanted the show to fail, he probably wanted it to succeed as much as anyone. However I’m sure he’s changed his plan after how bad the ending of the show was.
The adaptation went its own way years before the last season.
I know this wouldn't apply for absolutely everything but good writing is definitely one of the most important parts for a lot of TV shows games and whatever else you can think of. Two games that always come to my mind are the elder scrolls oblivion and knights of the old Republic,the graphics and the combat and a lot of other mechanics in these games haven't really aged that well,but they are still considered some of the best games of all time even today because they have good writing. A lot of people still enjoy playing these games me included.
foreshadowing does not equal character development!.
I too saw that video
The development was already there
Aaaayyyyyeeeee gang
@@upg5147 That is not what development means
@@wondermonkeys09 Explain
Season 7: I'm the worst GOT season ever.
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Season 8: hold my Starbucks cup.
*hold my starbucks cup and water bottle.
Season 7 wasn't that bad imho lol.
@@DuskSkullin and arya.
@@DuskSkullin But Season 7 episode 6 was soo stupid that it made the entire Season look dumb.
hold my script
"And my bottle of water."
I’m sure I’ve said it before but I love the use of Aesop’s beat in the background
The saddest part was it was probably the best produced media production to this day, from the acting to its visuals. But the writing was straight out of a high school classroom. Such wasted potential.
"Jon is sad that everybody is mad at eachother." Just sums up the season so well
Yea, I giggled when he said that.
That kind of sums up John's character.
My family is mad at each other :(
Kings are fighting each other :(
People are picking on my friend :(
A man is hurting his kids :(
Wildings hate me because the Watch loves me :(
The Watch hates me because Wildlings love me :(
Dragon Queen hates me because the North loves me :(
North hates me because the Dragon Queen loves me :(
blah blah blah, you get the idea. Such a whimpering little bitch.
yeah, I kek'd hard
reason why Jon should have been king.
Jon is better than everyone else cause he's just sad, not mad.
@@colonelcider8292
But he's also not that bright:/ And has very little capable people on his side.
"Sansa is mad at Daenerys because she didn't like her, Daenerys is mad at everybody, JON IS JUST SAD BECAUSE EVERYONE IS MAD AT EACH OTHER"
This was a typical quote hahahahaha
@Dardan Gashi
Yeah Poor punkass Jon played and used by everybody and never fitted in anywhere.
Sansa in season 7 and 8 was just a stubborn bitch who was sulky every time things didn't go the way she wanted them to and she was a total pain in the a**.
Xerafi sure Sansa wasn’t the best at times in 7&8, however Daenerys was that x10, she took any chance she could to bitch and moan, it’s all she’s ever done and it was unbearable in 7&8, at least Sansa had some genuine reasons to bitch like resting soldiers after battling the literal reincarnation of death
@@oelaty9116you can't be serious rn? Sansa is the one who bitches and moans 24/7 over dumb shit dany only bitches when Jon didn't bend the knee for literally 2.5s after that she got over it and faced the real threat head on, Sansa is the one constantly bitching especially about Daenerys who has done nothing but help the north
Lumist
10/10 comment. You’re totally right.
Your "Ending-Theme" was an overkill like that one Denaerys brought to King's Landing. 😁 👍👍
the fact that Dany lost a dragon fighting with the Night King was not enough for her TO NOT FORGET THE FLEET, i mean they ruined the character cuz she loved her dragons. Also there was little remorse on dragons death she just moved on, THATS TOTALLY NOT DANY.
Another thing they ruined about her character was her compassion and love for people, at the end she just went like a madman totally not like her. Her whole point of taking the Seven Kingdoms was to achieve this purpose and the end she was hanging around begging Jon to not tell anyone cuz she JUST WANTED THE THRONE.
THAT WAS NOT HERRRR AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot about Varys. The ultimate Master of Whisperers, who had outlived at least 4 KINGS, all the while pulling strings and conspiring... Was burnt to death because he didn't spread secrets well enough.
Kinda true but his death was beacause he trusted tyrion with his secrets, something i dont believe he's ever done with someone else and he got betrayed for it. But his death was really disappointing.
His death was part of his plan to persuade john that he should be king
and LF
Sam Cooper or didn’t leave when he knew she was gonna find out. They failed varys and little finger they deserved so much better.
Varys went from master manipulator, someone who operated vast networks of spies, someone who never revealed much, kept their cards hidden etc. To explicitly revealing plans, having loud conversations with other characters without keeping anything to himself, and then finally even when he knew time was up he just sat there waiting to be killed like a moron.
2 years later, Martin still hasn't finished Winds of Winter. Man is 72. I hope he survives.
Just hope he doesn't fallow miura to the grave, berserk is never going to get an ending now and miura was younger and more in shape than martin is
I think he mayyyy finish Book 6, or at least has enough of it written to publish when he croaks. I don’t think we’ll ever see Book 7.
@@alisaurus4224 he promised TWOW by December 2021. Don't know if ADOS will ever be released. Probably if he worked on it instead of the prequels 🤦🏻♂️
@@alisaurus4224 Pretty sure he doesn't work linearly and already has a lot of stuff roughly written out for Book 7 as well, so if he bites the dust we should at least see a rough cut of what would have been the ending even if we don't get it with too many details and some useless fat on it that he didn't have time to cut away
Avg. Life expectancy in UK is 87.6 , so hope for best.
3 years later and I’m still waiting for this “few years” to bare fruit and give us another book.
if you are reading comments sorted by newest first, i just wanna remind you "a dance with dragons" came out 12 years ago. even in 12 years gorge couldnt finish the 6th book