You finally found the right bug to go along with your routine. Be careful and stay away from the keto withdraw sugary muffins, it might completely destabilize your mind. I can see how tampering with your own food might help with a poisoning delusion you might be experiencing commonly. I hope the best for you and stay healthy.
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day. For help with schizophrenia: Vitamins B6,B12 Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract) Omega-3 Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health. Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
Essentially, this emphasizes the importance of treating medical keto just as seriously as medication. Experimenting with it or straying from your clinician's advice really isn't a good idea with medication, and the same goes for medical keto. Thank you for sharing!
so true, worked with a keto kids' dietitian and the numbers for each nutrient are so important. Keto for epileptic children is so totally a medicine. It is not like most diets but has strict parameters
Which is why I'm wondering why the heck she would do this....why would you take risks with your mental like that when you have such a serious mental illness???
@@jsjameson Good point and I brought this up with my SO. There could be any number of things going on here and I think by not heeding her doctor’s advice should serve as a lesson to viewers. Perhaps they thought it could goose the channel; perhaps her body’s quick positive response to Keto was informing, but I doubt they treated this as a stunt. Curiosity, with CAUTION. ✌️
I’m scared for her. Why did she try something she was warned not to? I thought she was getting off the charts ketones on her own so why did she want to augment it? To what aim? I don’t understand . Also, this idea that she will never be able to eat carbs again for fear of psychosis. Really??
You can't really compare antipsychotic medication and "medical keto"... one is an actual medicine proven to work, the other is a diet that has no connection to mental health.
I'm so sorry to hear this happened. "For the sake of the channel" isn't a good reason to risk your health. What you do has lots of value and you don't have to worry about adding more by doing things your health care professionals recommended against.
Ive been doing keto for about 6 years now and its been a big game changer for my mental health and keeping me out of psychosis and when I first started and went out of ketosis I experienced similar things. Ive been able to lower my dose and a med change and Ive been pretty stable.
Hang in there, my sister in schizoaffective disorder. I know too well how rough psychotic symptoms can be, and how unsettling a sudden spike in them can be (I'm currently almost six months into the middle of my first psychotic episode that's made it out of the acute phase - it's also the first time I've ever been medicated with antipsychotics following a mid-30s late diagnosis). That feeling of vulnerability when you realize how narrow the margin of error is... that's completely valid, and working through those feelings is important. Remembering not to dwell on them too much and trying not to sit in them/unpack them during an uptick in psychotic symptoms can be really, really difficult. Rest as well as you can, and update us soon. 💜
So sorry you two had this experience. I see that the brand you used has sucralose and "natural flavors," both of which can cause the sugary taste and raise glucose levels Lately I have discovered "natural flavors" can include maltodextrin and other sweet-tasting substances which do not have to be revealed on labels if the amount used is below a certain threshold. I hope this possibly explains your responses. I love hearing your story and life-changing results from ketosis.😊
A couple of things: maltodextrin is a carbohydrate and does raise glucose levels, but has to be explicitly labeled on ingredient labels (it is not considered a natural flavor), and sucralose (according to the Mayo Clinic) does not raise glucose levels. Both of them do taste sweet. Some of the confusion about sucralose is because the specific consumer product *Splenda* is composed of a small amount of sucralose and a large amount of maltodextrin, so it does raise glucose levels (because of the maltodextrin, not the sucralose).
sucralose is gross and I bet our brains can react to it the same way as sugar because psychological impressions can be so strong in some neurodivergent people it can cause a physical reaction
I don’t get it, what’s the point of a keto supplement that comes with carbs!? That sounds dangerous to me, but the supplement industry is the Wild West, with close to no regulations.
I couldn’t ignore your reaction, when your husband had mentioned the percentage and your emotional status. Your not being over sensitive, your strong and a great mother. Keep staying strong and resilient❤️
Have faith Lauren, you can't avoid all the holes in the road but you are learning well how to navigate, you're brilliant, brave and inspiring and you bring a lot of hope - even long lost - back to a lot of people ❤❤❤
I had some bad episodes when using sports products on my mountain treks. Since then, I try to avoid all "magic" products like tablets and powders which promise to make me superman. The truth is there's no better source for nutrients than real food. Without side-effects and damage, if not abused. Also, pushing the body too much can be harmful, and I learned that the hard way, getting into severe burnout because of pushing myself to do more than I actually could at that time, skipping sleep for work, ignoring food & water & other basic needs... Took me years to recover and it left its marks. Ands yes, that contains ketones, but I don't know if there are enough studies regarding how they are digested and what they turn into before transitioning to the bloodstream or what happens with them in the liver. However, you were courageous enough to do this experiment, which I wouldn't have ever done and actually proved that they can be very unhealthy, which is very valuable information. I hope your video gets to as many people as possible.
Before your journey, I had absolutely no idea how amazing the keto diet is. I always thought it was used as a weight loss tool and I was so wrong. Who knew a medical keto diet and producing your own ketones would affect your mental health so drastically? Thank you for your honesty and allowing this to be a learning moment.
Before I ever heard of the Keto diet, I used to notice that certain foods or drinks would affect my mood. I then had a delusion for years that I was "allergic" to almost everything. That led to me being too thin for years. So sorry to hear about your difficulties. I hope that you're feeling all better soon. Thank you so much for introducing me to the Keto diet for mental health. I went out last night and felt the most "normal" I've felt in years. I feel that Keto played a large role in that.
Getting knocked out of ketosis is such a hard thing when you’re mental health requires a higher level of ketones and lower level of glucose in your blood. I had a similar discussion with my partner a few months ago. Unfortunately, my downswing was harsh and lasted a bit longer until I was back in ketosis. Treat this diet as seriously as you treat taking your medication or as seriously as you make sure you get enough sleep.
And then there’s some of us who actually have a lot of food allergies with no delusions.. and people think we are mental. I’m so glad you are feeling better On keto.
Thanks for sharing this info, Lauren. This is a good reminder to all of us that supplements are not always regulated and do not always have the consumers’ best interests in mind. I hope you feel better soon! ❤
When i first started it took me 2 weeks to get back to baseline. It's way faster now, as you stay keto, you'll get better. Most of us who do this for mental health make those experiences. Glad you caught it early
For the sake of yourself and your family it is important to discuss changes with your psychiatrist. I commend you for doing that. Medication levels take time and decreases should be monitored by a trusted psychiatrist. I'd like to share my insight as a daughter of a mother with schizo affective disorder as it was really hard on us kids to go though all the ups and downs. Stability is essential for the health of the whole family. Long term trauma from my mother's illness and my father's inability to be everything to everyone (desire to keep the family together and my mother denying help and fighting with us) sadly affected us permanently. The early years are formative for a childs development and kids need a lot of love and attention. I wish I had a stable parent who was present but I was passed around to other family, alone with an unwell parent or home with a loving stable dad who was distracted and working hard to keep us afloat. I share this to offer that additional perspective to consider. I see in you some refreshing insight in your illness, ability to discuss it and a determination to listen to doctors. Please try to work fighting the temptations to try other things instead focus on balance for your family. Later in I became a parent and I learned first hand what it is like to deal with impairment. I had PPP after my second child birthed just before the pandemic and it was hard to do but I took my window of insight to seek help meaning hospitalization. It was so hard but important for myself and my relationships and I knew early intervention had better outcomes. It also gave me compassion for experiencing both sides of living with an unwell parent and being a mentally unwell parent. 10 days later I was back to cuddling my baby and I do not regret it. Please keep up the good dialogue and all the healthy things you are doing and when you reach a balance stick with it. You can improve your life but you can also improve your families life and relationship long-term by providing stability. The advances in medicine have come so far. My mother finally was a healthy part of my life for the last yr of her life as a grandma when she accepted her illness and allowed the drs to give her weekly visits and injections to stabilize her medicine levels and reduce the urge to go off meds again. Previously she hit rock bottom which included jail, periodic homelessness, and finally a year in a high level mental health facility to stabilize. It was scary and heart breaking. As a kid one day mom is home when we get back from school then at night mom shaves her head, mom cooks dinner then mom runs down street naked, mom gets groceries then we quickly leave the full cart cause ppl are following us, mom is tired then mom is chasing dad and throwing things at him for trying to help her take her meds, mom takes us to church mom yells at me to run cause Satan is here, mom says no hugs cause hugging is incest, mom says she is fine and we are the problem, mom finally takes meds and sleeps for days and we pick up slack and walk on egg shells waiting. For a kid each time the levels are good or off it is uncertain. As we know re-establishing levels takes longer to achieve and sometimes it take higher doses. The injection method was easier for my mom and she wished she did it sooner. The new meds gave her insight and ability to cope with minimal symptoms. Its sad the journey it took to get there but we know schizo affective is difficult to treat and I treasure that my mom faced it and gave healing to us all. I understand people have different experiences and I share from a place of kindness to add to the discussion for the sake of children. I hope others read this with that in mind. I really admire your courage and see many lovely qualities in your family. I hope your this plan helps your metabolic health improving your overall health so you find what works and stick to it. Enjoy your beautiful family. Wishing you all good things.
Bro! I'm so excited the ketosis experiment is still working well for you. It sucks that you took the exogenous ketones and almost got sick but it's great confirmation that it's worth the hard work you're putting into the diet. Your channel is so inspiring to me right now.
I learned something interesting while i had a shoulder injury. If i had any inflammatory foods i would get the worst migraine of my life (which was weekly for 2 years). I thought i was prone to migraines for a while. But my injury was directed related. So it made me very aware of foods that cause inflammation. But one day i went to a Chinese medicine doc and she completely fixed my shoulder. It was crazy because it only took one session. Pain id had for 2 years was gone and i no longer got migraines from trigger foods. My point is when you have an "injury" it cant really handle "bad" food like the rest of the body can. It flairs up quicker ir at least the concequences are more immediate. Maybe schizophrenia is akin it a brain "injury" of sorts. I don't want to use that word but im trying to make a point how when we have a "weak point" it needs extra care to be ok.
Glutathione levels are much lower in schizophrenia. Tgf beta acutely depletes glutathione from cells. Tgf beta is produced in hyperglycemia, by the kidney, and is implicated in diabetic kidney disease. So it's possible that a blood sugar spike kicks off tgf beta which then depletes glutathione, resulting in psychosis. Also matches: tgf beta lowers glutathione causing lung disease. Tgf beta increased in iron overload. Tgf beta lowered by agmatine. Nicotine increases tgf beta. Cannabis psychosis linked to glutathione/tgf beta
It's interesting because her ketones were still pretty robust at 1.4, but the blood sugar may have messed things up, which is why researchers are specifically looking at the glucose to ketone index as have more correlation with mood control than ketones alone. How about caffeine? Any other culprits? Speaking of cannabis, I personally endured a cannabis induced psychotic episode
Omg, you poor thing! But I do love how your supportive husband chimes in that you scored 3 goals, after you said the game was fine. Like, no, it was more than fine, you did great. But I'm so sorry you started getting psychosis symptoms from taking that supplement. Thank you for sharing your experience with us, Lauren.
Sucralose is a non-nutritive sweetener, meaning it isn't absorbed into the body. As a type 2 diabetic, I use it frequently and I don't have spikes in my blood glucose numbers.
super awesome knowing there's something that helps your mental health. Through watching you and people in the comments, I learned the keto diet actually helps people with these disorders. wishing you the best!
What works for one may not work for another, the same with interventions and medication. Difficult to comprehend and accept especially mid episode due to the nature of the illness itself. Catch 22 really. Thank you for sharing the lesson Rob and Lauren x
It sounds very wise to be forgiving to yourself for the mistakes that happens along the way. You learn more from your mistakes than doing things “perfectly”. Also, better that the mistakes happen early while you’re still on medication, even if reduced. If you would have done this particular mistake earlier, you might not have noticed any symptoms. It’s so inspiring to follow your journey, thank you for your honesty along the way. I truly hope this intervention is going to work for you long term!
You are doing so great. You can work through this hiccup. You have identified the problem and you can fix it. That is important. You can do this. You are aware of what works and what doesn't. I just wanted you to know that. Hiccups are a part of life. You are Doing Fabulous! 🎉🎉😊😊
Soooo interesting! Why did Nicole say not to do this experiment? I'm so curious why they negatively affected you and Rob? I'm SO glad you seemed to be able to bounce back after that mishap with your ketone levels. I hope you got some rest now!!! ❤
Don't be hard on yourself. You are human and allowed to make a mistake. I make mistakes with my GAD all the time. Mostly because I have multiple chronic conditions and they all seem to overlap. Take a deep breath, step back, and breathe. You can get through this, you will get through this. It is just a bump in the road.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I strongly recommend in future that, if tempted to experiment with anything else, to seek professional medical advice before doing so. I hope that you soon feel better. Thank you for sharing this story.
I think you sharing how you are feeling and managing right now is very helpful. I personally had a negative experience with the keto diet, but if it helps anyone else, great. I am concerned about anyone reducing medication before seeing any consistent positive results in a dietary/metabolic change.
Hi there, I so appreciate your channel. I have been wondering for a while, if people are aware of the dangers of Ketones in light of those who have Type 1 Diabetes like my son? For people like him, we do everything in our power to avoid Ketones at all costs, which we were taught at diagnosis 12 years ago. Ketones are often also how people are diagnosed initially with Type 1 Diabetes. The most dangerous is when a person’s Ketones are so high, they go into DKA. This can actually lead to death, more rapidly than one might expect. If not understood or treated in time. Fruity breath, weight loss, faintness, unusually frequent need to urinate, extreme thirst, weakness, dizziness, fatigue, stomach pain, glassy eyed look, all those are symptoms associated with Ketones. I know my son, and all Type 1’s, feel very very sick within hours when they have Ketones. They can get them from simply fighting a virus, or high blood sugar, or insulin pump failure. We then have to adjust with extra insulin and other treatment protocols until all Ketones are gone. Type 1 Diabetes i very different from Type 2. It is an auto-immune disease not caused by poor diet/ exercise and cannot be cured. One needs insulin injections or insulin pump 24/7. I’ve been debating to share, because I know your journey is not about Type 1 Diabetes; yet again it felt too important to not give a mention, just for safety’s sake. I really admire your honesty about your challenging but inspiring journey living with Schizophrenia- and I wish you nothing but love, kindness and support. Thanks for listening 💖 -Saskia
it's amazing how you can rely on this experience now and be really optimistic about your health, and your projects, and your future. I am SOOOOOOO happy that it seems really work for you. The keto diet WORKS on your symptoms.
Wow!! this is so fascinating. i hope that things even out for you and you feel balance again soon. And yes, what an incredible lesson, to realise just how massively the medical keto diet is impacting you in a beneficial way. Thank you so much for sharing so honestly.... be gentle with yourself as you recover from this blip :)
Ok so Allmax KetoCuts contains an artificial sweetener called, Sucralose, which is also found in Splenda. It is known to raise glucose levels and insulin in the body which explains why your glucose levels were much higher than usual, although 120 is still not considered dangerously high. This also explains why you were feeling extra anxious/weird and very tired the next day. You basically experienced an unexpected sugar high and crashed. I know a lot about this topic being in the medical field and suffering from Generalized Anxiety and Panic Attack disorders along with a few other mental disorders/illnesses. Although I am advised to stay away from Caffeine I find artificial sweeteners like Sucrose and Aspartame ( phenylalanine) to be even more dangerous! I hope you are feeling much better now, but please promise never to take that stuff again!
This this this. There appears to be not enough regulation when it comes to certain ingredients or proper testing of them - esp when it’s part of a lucrative industry. We need to be careful and know that while many may be able to tolerate a certain level of toxicity within our bodies, there are many who cannot. And that’s ok! Except no one is looking out for those exceptions to the rule, so we have to do it ourselves. Or for each other.
I'm Bipolar type 2, and everytime I do keto I get rapid manic episodes, losing weight can be tough because of this. I've found a happy middle ground while trying to lose weight post partum, I'm on my typical meds butttt I just lowered my bread and pasta intake, I can have rice and fruit and veg just not the others. I also limit red meat because that also triggers it, and stick to a good sleep schedule ❤
I'm sorry you are struggling. It's difficult when experimenting with lower doses of medication. Every little difference must be analyzed (sometimes you get stuck here). There's always hyper vigilance and anxiety. I am happy that keto is working for you though.
It's amazing to see how keto has helped you so far! Med reductions are a very good sign! I just started a gluten free diet and have an 80% reduction in symptoms even though I haven't been completely consistent with it. I'm motivated to go completely gf now and will post results.
Thank you for going through this to help us all. I have schizophrenia and I have always been mainly paleo and mostly keto but since you started I have been eating mostly keto to see if it helps
Sometimes, exercise can cause a downer feeling. It just means you are exhausted. Breath deeply, rest well and don't let this be more than being tired unless it happens for a long period the next day.
Having been in pyschosis in 2020 and coming of meds for a year and having symptoms of it coming back o went back on meds. Do you not think being on meds is going to be better than risking getting unwell again? I am interested in this you are very brave
Oh my god so much info from your experience! And finally you did so well you took the supl so now you know. Everything is new for your body and I suppose it needs time to be stronger to adjust to your new lifestyle to be more stable. Be insistive and patient and give time. For sure it will come the day when you wont be in ketosis but you wont feel those big fall outs. I wish helth strength to you and all the people that are strangling. Your destiny is to be a big teacher.
I have learned the hard way that some body processes take months or even years to change. It is certainly not a good idea to do too many changes in a short time to boost the effect. I fully believe that your diet has an effect on your mental health - but if you believe in this effectiveness one should really avoid such short term stunts.
It might also has to with the fact that the ketones produced internally are regulated at all times by your body's metabolism, while taking an exogenous amount of ketones might have taken your metabolism out of balance and so your endogenous ketone production made halt to try and restore it. Thank you so much for the information that you are providing and I wish you all the best.
Well, dang it, this was a punch to the solar plexus. Many thanks to you for letting us know how it went, and we all wish you a quick return to a stable, reliable place!
People with various levels of experience may have strong opinions to share . But this is your treatment after all . I think most of us just want you to experiment with what works , and just know we are concerned and supporting your steps back to firmer ground as you try out different approaches . Only so much can be done from a distance , but we are out here , sending you support thru this uncertain time .
I consumed an extra serving of caffeine today due to the colder weather and experienced an unwanted reaction just a short while ago. Fortunately it didnt last long and realized what a unpleasant effect it had on me. Still need to titrate. Thanks Rob and Lauren for sharing your experiences. 👍
Hey Lauren, I’m so glad you’re body seems to be finding its way back to homeostasis. I think it’s telling that you found yourself slipping a bit last night, but getting back on the routine seems to have nipped it in the bud. I’m just wondering if you can maybe share more daily mean info and especially how you measure out your macros. I struggle a lot with my own brain chemistry (different challenge), but I want to go back on Keto (it was helpful but not sustainable last time). I am not great at staying organized, so it’s challenging to try to make sure everything is balanced. Being able to try what you try would make it a bit easier to follow. Plus, I’m in your region, so I can probably buy the same products you do (yay). ❤️
This is why it tasted so sweet. Sucralose which is in your drink is derived from sugar through a multi-step manufacturing process that selectively substitutes three atoms of chlorine for three hydroxyl groups on the sugar molecule. This change produces a sweetener that has no calories, yet is 600 times sweeter than sucrose.
Honestly this whole experiment feels like watching a trainwreck happening ... I have schizoaffective disorder as well and I'd never put my body and mind through this for the sake of a TH-cam channel.
Seriously. The most simple explanation is reducing med intake. It's concerning to see so many people with this or a similar mental illness, or family members, being so skeptical of psychiatric treatment (like it's bad) and blaming sugar or whatever for a near-psychosis experience. This channel is almost serving misinformation and not caring about how it affects its audience.
I agree. Is there any actual peer reviewed evidence for this? It seems like a fad diet and I have seen people trying to keto for various reasons - it does not seem to end well for any of them. I have always loved this channel for it's scientifically based information and was really alarmed at the idea of replacing medication with a diet change essentially - my aunt has so often tried to push supplements amongst other "natural* approaches, but it just does not work for mental illness. I have bipolar and if I had tried to swap out my meds for something like this, I would probably no longer be alive.
You can't figure out what causes what if you change two or more factors at the same time. The ingredients to the bottle of exogenous ketones must tell you why it tastes so sweet; I'm surprised that you don't know what these are.
I've noticed that people have different things that can get them ok without meds. One dude went to a spiritual healing center, was fine after that. I had to completely flush my system with water, fruits, go a dif direction w/ my job, visit some graves, travel, all sorts of stuff, - but I have slowly been getting out of this cyclical hospitalization. I have also found sometimes it's people in our lives that we need to get away from because of various reasons. Health also definitely was a factor, I checked out things like Bacopa Monnieri, Cordyceps, etc. Also, swearing a lot helps until you get the frustrations out. I find if we keep ourselves from full expression, there's unresolved feelings. Negative outlooks are blown out of proportion, and can be useful if leveraged to analyze things.
Great comment! I’ve found all of these things helpful to explore, and resonate with that idea that everyone has a personal “portfolio” of things that work for them. Your last point about getting friendly with anger and other emotions that are perceived as “negative” has been key to my process. I’m glad you are finding what works for you and moving out of the cycle! ❤
you raise an important point. many of our problems are emotional and subconscious. If your medication is too heavy it makes you dull and you are not able to deal with your problems and you are constantly depressed and in conflict. If it is too light then these problems overwhelm you and might go into psychosis. The problems might also be spiritual, you might look for troubles for some reasons and need to readjust your view of life, expect a good outcome to events
Pre mixes of anything are subject to additional ingredients, like many others said sucralose is in it. I'd always go with a pure chemical (keytone) and a scale, then mix it yourself, if you ever try to do this again. Sorry this happened.
I have also switched diet to primarily carnivore, dairy, eggs, etc mainly due to being affected by psoriasis - Now 1-2 months in. Why all the sweeteners and artificial additives ?? I find my hunger much more easy to control, and I feel/see my body not reacting well to them. So I just made a choice - an easy one actually; Avoid it if at all possible. Yes, things aren't as sweet - but sweet isn't the only taste one can enjoy. I found that UHT treated milk/cream is much sweeter than normal pasteurized - so if coffee NEEDS to be sweet, the caramelsation during the UHT process provides that bit of extra sweetness (which is probably why so many does not like the taste of UHT milk to begin with - it's sweeter) So do youself a favour - drop all products containing sweeteners and artificial - possibly unlisted and unknown - artificial compounds.
Artificial sweeteners don’t have calories, but your stomach has “taste buds” sort of. And it can taste sweetness, even in the absence of normal sugar carbohydrates. When your stomach tastes sweetness, it prepares your digestive system for carb digestion processes. So it sorta makes sense it pulled your digestive system away from ketogenic digestion.
I am schizophrenic and have been sectioned 5 times. I get seriously ill. I am trying a vegan diet just like you’re trying the keto diet. I’ve done a lot of research into the vegan diet like you have keto. I now take B12, D3, Omega 3 algae oil tablet and have vegan protein powder in my smoothies. I will say that I cut each meat out individually over years so my gut microbium adjusted gradually. I drink oat milk and some soya in tea (I think I’ll drink lab grown dairy when it’s sold). I also feel really really great spiritually as well. I feel great. Watch chefs like Derek Sano and Rainbow Plant Life on TH-cam and make the switch for the animals, yourself and the environment. You’ll feel great as I do. I don’t no longer suffer much with schizophrenia since I went vegan.
She's not a doctor, she's a nutritional consultant/coach or smth. This whole diet is an experiment at the end of the day... some things work, some don't.
Just to say I’ve tried other brands of ketones and they’ve raised my levels quickly to 4 or above according to the keto mojo, so some of them definitely work. I like the brand Real Ketones. Not that you need them. I’m so glad this diet is working for you!!
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day. For help with schizophrenia: Vitamins B6,B12 Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract) Omega-3 Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health. Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
My son do keto/carnivore. We he cheat (bread or processed food) I can notice the difference very quickly. Hope more people can stick to keto for healing purposes
IMHO the potentially offending ingredients in Keto Cuts is the sucralose. This is a sugar substitute that significantly raises blood glucose and/or insulin in SOME people. There’s also the natural and artificial flavours, which is a potential concern.
To be fair her blood sugar of 127-or whatever- is not high. I thought she mentioned that after exercise she went down in her readings anyway ( low ketones) I can’t remember which video now. My question is how safe it is to always want to be in the highest state of ketosis anyway? Or to continuously and obsessively monitor your ketones to the point that one deviation is the cause of all your mental woe’s. And why does she laugh after acknowledging she did something she was advised not to do? It’s really not funny because a lot of people are looking to these videos as life changing and the end goal is medication elimination.
Lauren, how's your blinking side effect with the medical keto diet/ lowered medication? This whole process is amazing and significant, and I thank you for documenting it all
I’m 5 months in, and it seems that sometimes my body makes less ketones than other times, independent of diet changes. I am trying to figure out how I stay in deeper ketosis longer term.
Wonder if taking exogenous ketones shuts down your body's production of ketones. I wonder the same thing about antioxidants (among other things) - your body produces its own antioxidants, and by supplementing it may stop producing its own (the body likes homeostasis and would react by downregulating their production).
Respectfully and I apologize if I came across negative with my last post . I have mental health problems for 40 + years . I looked for every option possible about not having to live on these meds all my life. Only in the past 4 years my pcp did a DNA test that checked if the meds I was on work based on my DNA. A few did not completely match . They slowly got me off those that didn't match , and I felt and still feel so much better. I'm still on 3 meds a day . I also tried to take a multi vitamin every day and it set off anxiety and more than usual negative thoughts. I'm happy you were able to reduce the amount of medication, but sometimes the true facts are we need helpers that other's people don't need. I eat healthy foods and fruits and vegetables. No fast foods or caffeine or smoking or drinking . Please be safe and careful, and always listen to your heart . It's OK not to be ok, but you and your husband are enough together. Thanks for trying different ways to improve your health and lives with healthy foods, but the chemicals imbalances happen and that's life for us living with mental illness.
When something is sweet it can really affect you just like regular sugar even if it’s something that supposedly doesn’t affect your insulin levels. I found that out the hard way with using natural No calorie sweeteners. You can get all those things in their separately and make you own ketone blend that tastes basically like nothing.
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You finally found the right bug to go along with your routine. Be careful and stay away from the keto withdraw sugary muffins, it might completely destabilize your mind. I can see how tampering with your own food might help with a poisoning delusion you might be experiencing commonly. I hope the best for you and stay healthy.
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day.
For help with schizophrenia:
Vitamins B6,B12
Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract)
Omega-3
Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health.
Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
Thankyou means so much 🙏🏼x
Urine has ketones. There is also methyl ethyl ketone.
Essentially, this emphasizes the importance of treating medical keto just as seriously as medication. Experimenting with it or straying from your clinician's advice really isn't a good idea with medication, and the same goes for medical keto. Thank you for sharing!
so true, worked with a keto kids' dietitian and the numbers for each nutrient are so important. Keto for epileptic children is so totally a medicine. It is not like most diets but has strict parameters
Which is why I'm wondering why the heck she would do this....why would you take risks with your mental like that when you have such a serious mental illness???
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Good point and I brought this up with my SO. There could be any number of things going on here and I think by not heeding her doctor’s advice should serve as a lesson to viewers. Perhaps they thought it could goose the channel; perhaps her body’s quick positive response to Keto was informing, but I doubt they treated this as a stunt.
Curiosity, with CAUTION.
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I’m scared for her. Why did she try something she was warned not to? I thought she was getting off the charts ketones on her own so why did she want to augment it? To what aim? I don’t understand . Also, this idea that she will never be able to eat carbs again for fear of psychosis. Really??
You can't really compare antipsychotic medication and "medical keto"... one is an actual medicine proven to work, the other is a diet that has no connection to mental health.
I'm so sorry to hear this happened. "For the sake of the channel" isn't a good reason to risk your health. What you do has lots of value and you don't have to worry about adding more by doing things your health care professionals recommended against.
Ive been doing keto for about 6 years now and its been a big game changer for my mental health and keeping me out of psychosis and when I first started and went out of ketosis I experienced similar things. Ive been able to lower my dose and a med change and Ive been pretty stable.
how high of a dose are you on
Aww Lauren, thanks for your honesty 🙏❤x
They way you served this info was like watching a soccer mom reveal that she took psychedelics before church 💜
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Hang in there, my sister in schizoaffective disorder. I know too well how rough psychotic symptoms can be, and how unsettling a sudden spike in them can be (I'm currently almost six months into the middle of my first psychotic episode that's made it out of the acute phase - it's also the first time I've ever been medicated with antipsychotics following a mid-30s late diagnosis).
That feeling of vulnerability when you realize how narrow the margin of error is... that's completely valid, and working through those feelings is important. Remembering not to dwell on them too much and trying not to sit in them/unpack them during an uptick in psychotic symptoms can be really, really difficult.
Rest as well as you can, and update us soon. 💜
So sorry you two had this experience. I see that the brand you used has sucralose and "natural flavors," both of which can cause the sugary taste and raise glucose levels Lately I have discovered "natural flavors" can include maltodextrin and other sweet-tasting substances which do not have to be revealed on labels if the amount used is below a certain threshold. I hope this possibly explains your responses. I love hearing your story and life-changing results from ketosis.😊
A couple of things: maltodextrin is a carbohydrate and does raise glucose levels, but has to be explicitly labeled on ingredient labels (it is not considered a natural flavor), and sucralose (according to the Mayo Clinic) does not raise glucose levels. Both of them do taste sweet. Some of the confusion about sucralose is because the specific consumer product *Splenda* is composed of a small amount of sucralose and a large amount of maltodextrin, so it does raise glucose levels (because of the maltodextrin, not the sucralose).
sucralose is gross and I bet our brains can react to it the same way as sugar because psychological impressions can be so strong in some neurodivergent people it can cause a physical reaction
additionally, it could be the case that the MCT powder has cyclodextrin or other carbohydrates that act to absorb/carry the oil.
I don’t get it, what’s the point of a keto supplement that comes with carbs!? That sounds dangerous to me, but the supplement industry is the Wild West, with close to no regulations.
I couldn’t ignore your reaction, when your husband had mentioned the percentage and your emotional status. Your not being over sensitive, your strong and a great mother. Keep staying strong and resilient❤️
Have faith Lauren, you can't avoid all the holes in the road but you are learning well how to navigate, you're brilliant, brave and inspiring and you bring a lot of hope - even long lost - back to a lot of people ❤❤❤
I had some bad episodes when using sports products on my mountain treks. Since then, I try to avoid all "magic" products like tablets and powders which promise to make me superman. The truth is there's no better source for nutrients than real food. Without side-effects and damage, if not abused.
Also, pushing the body too much can be harmful, and I learned that the hard way, getting into severe burnout because of pushing myself to do more than I actually could at that time, skipping sleep for work, ignoring food & water & other basic needs... Took me years to recover and it left its marks. Ands yes, that contains ketones, but I don't know if there are enough studies regarding how they are digested and what they turn into before transitioning to the bloodstream or what happens with them in the liver.
However, you were courageous enough to do this experiment, which I wouldn't have ever done and actually proved that they can be very unhealthy, which is very valuable information. I hope your video gets to as many people as possible.
Before your journey, I had absolutely no idea how amazing the keto diet is. I always thought it was used as a weight loss tool and I was so wrong. Who knew a medical keto diet and producing your own ketones would affect your mental health so drastically? Thank you for your honesty and allowing this to be a learning moment.
Before I ever heard of the Keto diet, I used to notice that certain foods or drinks would affect my mood. I then had a delusion for years that I was "allergic" to almost everything. That led to me being too thin for years.
So sorry to hear about your difficulties. I hope that you're feeling all better soon.
Thank you so much for introducing me to the Keto diet for mental health. I went out last night and felt the most "normal" I've felt in years. I feel that Keto played a large role in that.
Yaaaaaaayyyy,congrats :)
@@Julia_Berrrlin Thanks 😊
Getting knocked out of ketosis is such a hard thing when you’re mental health requires a higher level of ketones and lower level of glucose in your blood.
I had a similar discussion with my partner a few months ago. Unfortunately, my downswing was harsh and lasted a bit longer until I was back in ketosis.
Treat this diet as seriously as you treat taking your medication or as seriously as you make sure you get enough sleep.
I’m glad you noticed some benefits.
And then there’s some of us who actually have a lot of food allergies with no delusions.. and people think we are mental. I’m so glad you are feeling better
On keto.
I love how you model productive conversation and intervention! It's really inspiring
Thanks for sharing this info, Lauren. This is a good reminder to all of us that supplements are not always regulated and do not always have the consumers’ best interests in mind. I hope you feel better soon! ❤
When i first started it took me 2 weeks to get back to baseline. It's way faster now, as you stay keto, you'll get better. Most of us who do this for mental health make those experiences. Glad you caught it early
For the sake of yourself and your family it is important to discuss changes with your psychiatrist. I commend you for doing that. Medication levels take time and decreases should be monitored by a trusted psychiatrist.
I'd like to share my insight as a daughter of a mother with schizo affective disorder as it was really hard on us kids to go though all the ups and downs. Stability is essential for the health of the whole family. Long term trauma from my mother's illness and my father's inability to be everything to everyone (desire to keep the family together and my mother denying help and fighting with us) sadly affected us permanently. The early years are formative for a childs development and kids need a lot of love and attention. I wish I had a stable parent who was present but I was passed around to other family, alone with an unwell parent or home with a loving stable dad who was distracted and working hard to keep us afloat. I share this to offer that additional perspective to consider.
I see in you some refreshing insight in your illness, ability to discuss it and a determination to listen to doctors. Please try to work fighting the temptations to try other things instead focus on balance for your family.
Later in I became a parent and I learned first hand what it is like to deal with impairment. I had PPP after my second child birthed just before the pandemic and it was hard to do but I took my window of insight to seek help meaning hospitalization. It was so hard but important for myself and my relationships and I knew early intervention had better outcomes. It also gave me compassion for experiencing both sides of living with an unwell parent and being a mentally unwell parent. 10 days later I was back to cuddling my baby and I do not regret it.
Please keep up the good dialogue and all the healthy things you are doing and when you reach a balance stick with it. You can improve your life but you can also improve your families life and relationship long-term by providing stability. The advances in medicine have come so far. My mother finally was a healthy part of my life for the last yr of her life as a grandma when she accepted her illness and allowed the drs to give her weekly visits and injections to stabilize her medicine levels and reduce the urge to go off meds again. Previously she hit rock bottom which included jail, periodic homelessness, and finally a year in a high level mental health facility to stabilize. It was scary and heart breaking. As a kid one day mom is home when we get back from school then at night mom shaves her head, mom cooks dinner then mom runs down street naked, mom gets groceries then we quickly leave the full cart cause ppl are following us, mom is tired then mom is chasing dad and throwing things at him for trying to help her take her meds, mom takes us to church mom yells at me to run cause Satan is here, mom says no hugs cause hugging is incest, mom says she is fine and we are the problem, mom finally takes meds and sleeps for days and we pick up slack and walk on egg shells waiting. For a kid each time the levels are good or off it is uncertain. As we know re-establishing levels takes longer to achieve and sometimes it take higher doses. The injection method was easier for my mom and she wished she did it sooner. The new meds gave her insight and ability to cope with minimal symptoms. Its sad the journey it took to get there but we know schizo affective is difficult to treat and I treasure that my mom faced it and gave healing to us all.
I understand people have different experiences and I share from a place of kindness to add to the discussion for the sake of children. I hope others read this with that in mind.
I really admire your courage and see many lovely qualities in your family. I hope your this plan helps your metabolic health improving your overall health so you find what works and stick to it. Enjoy your beautiful family. Wishing you all good things.
I love how supportive Rob is.
Wow, I'm so sorry you went through that. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Bro! I'm so excited the ketosis experiment is still working well for you. It sucks that you took the exogenous ketones and almost got sick but it's great confirmation that it's worth the hard work you're putting into the diet.
Your channel is so inspiring to me right now.
Hope you get well soon Lauren your such am inspiration to others ❤
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I learned something interesting while i had a shoulder injury. If i had any inflammatory foods i would get the worst migraine of my life (which was weekly for 2 years). I thought i was prone to migraines for a while. But my injury was directed related. So it made me very aware of foods that cause inflammation. But one day i went to a Chinese medicine doc and she completely fixed my shoulder. It was crazy because it only took one session. Pain id had for 2 years was gone and i no longer got migraines from trigger foods. My point is when you have an "injury" it cant really handle "bad" food like the rest of the body can. It flairs up quicker ir at least the concequences are more immediate. Maybe schizophrenia is akin it a brain "injury" of sorts. I don't want to use that word but im trying to make a point how when we have a "weak point" it needs extra care to be ok.
Glutathione levels are much lower in schizophrenia. Tgf beta acutely depletes glutathione from cells. Tgf beta is produced in hyperglycemia, by the kidney, and is implicated in diabetic kidney disease. So it's possible that a blood sugar spike kicks off tgf beta which then depletes glutathione, resulting in psychosis.
Also matches: tgf beta lowers glutathione causing lung disease. Tgf beta increased in iron overload. Tgf beta lowered by agmatine. Nicotine increases tgf beta. Cannabis psychosis linked to glutathione/tgf beta
It’s interesting because I have a mutation in TGFBR1 that can increase TGFB levels
It's interesting because her ketones were still pretty robust at 1.4, but the blood sugar may have messed things up, which is why researchers are specifically looking at the glucose to ketone index as have more correlation with mood control than ketones alone. How about caffeine? Any other culprits?
Speaking of cannabis, I personally endured a cannabis induced psychotic episode
Go figure caffeine actually reduces tgf beta
You seem helluh confident.One does well when you really know the solution/resolve.
That was scary, Lauren. I'm glad you are improving. Best wishes.
Omg, you poor thing! But I do love how your supportive husband chimes in that you scored 3 goals, after you said the game was fine. Like, no, it was more than fine, you did great. But I'm so sorry you started getting psychosis symptoms from taking that supplement. Thank you for sharing your experience with us, Lauren.
BG at 127 "extremely high" this type-1 diabetic be rolling on floor laughing. 😆😆😆
It has sucralose in it. A form of sugar. And a lot of caffeine.
ooooh you're right ! we often look for sugar and we forgot how caffeine can affect insulin sensitivity !
Sucralose is a non-nutritive sweetener, meaning it isn't absorbed into the body. As a type 2 diabetic, I use it frequently and I don't have spikes in my blood glucose numbers.
When I saw she was taking Coffee I was way surprised
@@Marc001in some people, the body will still respond to the sweetness as if it was sugar and may produce an insulin response.
Oo caffeine: we learned the hard way that caffeine is a huge mistake with our daughter’s schizoaffective disorder.
super awesome knowing there's something that helps your mental health. Through watching you and people in the comments, I learned the keto diet actually helps people with these disorders. wishing you the best!
What works for one may not work for another, the same with interventions and medication. Difficult to comprehend and accept especially mid episode due to the nature of the illness itself. Catch 22 really.
Thank you for sharing the lesson Rob and Lauren x
It sounds very wise to be forgiving to yourself for the mistakes that happens along the way. You learn more from your mistakes than doing things “perfectly”. Also, better that the mistakes happen early while you’re still on medication, even if reduced. If you would have done this particular mistake earlier, you might not have noticed any symptoms. It’s so inspiring to follow your journey, thank you for your honesty along the way. I truly hope this intervention is going to work for you long term!
So glad you’re feeling better! It sounds like this drink isn’t for someone wanting to “stay” in ketosis. Thank you for sharing your experience.
You are doing so great. You can work through this hiccup. You have identified the problem and you can fix it. That is important. You can do this. You are aware of what works and what doesn't. I just wanted you to know that. Hiccups are a part of life. You are Doing Fabulous! 🎉🎉😊😊
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with metabolic interventions!! 💜
Dont panic, you were long on strong medication, lowering meds does changes, they recommend gradual lowering over years depending on symptoms
Soooo interesting! Why did Nicole say not to do this experiment? I'm so curious why they negatively affected you and Rob? I'm SO glad you seemed to be able to bounce back after that mishap with your ketone levels. I hope you got some rest now!!! ❤
Don't be hard on yourself. You are human and allowed to make a mistake. I make mistakes with my GAD all the time. Mostly because I have multiple chronic conditions and they all seem to overlap. Take a deep breath, step back, and breathe. You can get through this, you will get through this. It is just a bump in the road.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I strongly recommend in future that, if tempted to experiment with anything else, to seek professional medical advice before doing so. I hope that you soon feel better. Thank you for sharing this story.
Praying things get well soon ❤ I know it's hard to not rush when one has a chronic illness. Bless you! 😄
Wow! That really shows the effectiveness of ketogen diet in your case! Mindblowing! 😳😱
I knew this would work - thank god! Wish my sister would listen to me about this.
I wish your sister would listen to appropriately qualified medical professionals
I think you sharing how you are feeling and managing right now is very helpful. I personally had a negative experience with the keto diet, but if it helps anyone else, great. I am concerned about anyone reducing medication before seeing any consistent positive results in a dietary/metabolic change.
Hi there, I so appreciate your channel. I have been wondering for a while, if people are aware of the dangers of Ketones in light of those who have Type 1 Diabetes like my son? For people like him, we do everything in our power to avoid Ketones at all costs, which we were taught at diagnosis 12 years ago. Ketones are often also how people are diagnosed initially with Type 1 Diabetes. The most dangerous is when a person’s Ketones are so high, they go into DKA. This can actually lead to death, more rapidly than one might expect. If not understood or treated in time. Fruity breath, weight loss, faintness, unusually frequent need to urinate, extreme thirst, weakness, dizziness, fatigue, stomach pain, glassy eyed look, all those are symptoms associated with Ketones.
I know my son, and all Type 1’s, feel very very sick within hours when they have Ketones. They can get them from simply fighting a virus, or high blood sugar, or insulin pump failure. We then have to adjust with extra insulin and other treatment protocols until all Ketones are gone. Type 1 Diabetes i very different from Type 2. It is an auto-immune disease not caused by poor diet/ exercise and cannot be cured. One needs insulin injections or insulin pump 24/7. I’ve been debating to share, because I know your journey is not about Type 1 Diabetes; yet again it felt too important to not give a mention, just for safety’s sake. I really admire your honesty about your challenging but inspiring journey living with Schizophrenia- and I wish you nothing but love, kindness and support. Thanks for listening 💖 -Saskia
I'm following your adventur day after day. I find it very impressive. Don't give up! 👍
it's amazing how you can rely on this experience now and be really optimistic about your health, and your projects, and your future. I am SOOOOOOO happy that it seems really work for you. The keto diet WORKS on your symptoms.
When I have low blood sugar I get anxious immediately. So it makes sense that this effected you as quickly as well!
So glad you are OK now! Thanks for all you do!
I bet this video is going to help a lot of people! Thank you so much for sharing your journey with us and being open about the ups and downs.
Wow!! this is so fascinating. i hope that things even out for you and you feel balance again soon. And yes, what an incredible lesson, to realise just how massively the medical keto diet is impacting you in a beneficial way. Thank you so much for sharing so honestly.... be gentle with yourself as you recover from this blip :)
Ok so Allmax KetoCuts contains an artificial sweetener called, Sucralose, which is also found in Splenda. It is known to raise glucose levels and insulin in the body which explains why your glucose levels were much higher than usual, although 120 is still not considered dangerously high. This also explains why you were feeling extra anxious/weird and very tired the next day. You basically experienced an unexpected sugar high and crashed. I know a lot about this topic being in the medical field and suffering from Generalized Anxiety and Panic Attack disorders along with a few other mental disorders/illnesses. Although I am advised to stay away from Caffeine I find artificial sweeteners like Sucrose and Aspartame ( phenylalanine) to be even more dangerous! I hope you are feeling much better now, but please promise never to take that stuff again!
This this this. There appears to be not enough regulation when it comes to certain ingredients or proper testing of them - esp when it’s part of a lucrative industry. We need to be careful and know that while many may be able to tolerate a certain level of toxicity within our bodies, there are many who cannot. And that’s ok! Except no one is looking out for those exceptions to the rule, so we have to do it ourselves. Or for each other.
@@joeyshabbadoo you are absolutely right! Nobody is going to look out better for us than us ourselves.
I'm Bipolar type 2, and everytime I do keto I get rapid manic episodes, losing weight can be tough because of this. I've found a happy middle ground while trying to lose weight post partum, I'm on my typical meds butttt I just lowered my bread and pasta intake, I can have rice and fruit and veg just not the others. I also limit red meat because that also triggers it, and stick to a good sleep schedule ❤
I'm sorry you are struggling. It's difficult when experimenting with lower doses of medication. Every little difference must be analyzed (sometimes you get stuck here). There's always hyper vigilance and anxiety. I am happy that keto is working for you though.
I've just checked the label, there is sucralose in it, it's written in the bottom right corner of the label, he's definitely the culprit.
It's amazing to see how keto has helped you so far! Med reductions are a very good sign! I just started a gluten free diet and have an 80% reduction in symptoms even though I haven't been completely consistent with it. I'm motivated to go completely gf now and will post results.
I hope you continue to feel better! Sending healing thoughts and glad it didn’t keep you from getting back into ketosis! 🤗🙏🏼
Thank you for going through this to help us all. I have schizophrenia and I have always been mainly paleo and mostly keto but since you started I have been eating mostly keto to see if it helps
glad you are feeling better now, stay well 💚
Sometimes, exercise can cause a downer feeling. It just means you are exhausted. Breath deeply, rest well and don't let this be more than being tired unless it happens for a long period the next day.
You learned something pretty important and valuable information for those hoping to try medical keto. I am glad your mistake wasn’t too detrimental.
Having been in pyschosis in 2020 and coming of meds for a year and having symptoms of it coming back o went back on meds. Do you not think being on meds is going to be better than risking getting unwell again? I am interested in this you are very brave
Oh my god so much info from your experience! And finally you did so well you took the supl so now you know. Everything is new for your body and I suppose it needs time to be stronger to adjust to your new lifestyle to be more stable. Be insistive and patient and give time. For sure it will come the day when you wont be in ketosis but you wont feel those big fall outs. I wish helth strength to you and all the people that are strangling. Your destiny is to be a big teacher.
Thank you for the heads up.
I love your chair! Looks so comfy. ❤
Thanks for sharing, I hope you're doing better
Please do be careful. You are walking on a fine line and doing it well!❤😊
I have learned the hard way that some body processes take months or even years to change. It is certainly not a good idea to do too many changes in a short time to boost the effect. I fully believe that your diet has an effect on your mental health - but if you believe in this effectiveness one should really avoid such short term stunts.
I’m glad both of you are okay! Thanks for sharing.
It might also has to with the fact that the ketones produced internally are regulated at all times by your body's metabolism, while taking an exogenous amount of ketones might have taken your metabolism out of balance and so your endogenous ketone production made halt to try and restore it. Thank you so much for the information that you are providing and I wish you all the best.
Well, dang it, this was a punch to the solar plexus. Many thanks to you for letting us know how it went, and we all wish you a quick return to a stable, reliable place!
People with various levels of experience may have strong opinions to share . But this is your treatment after all . I think most of us just want you to experiment with what works , and just know we are concerned and supporting your steps back to firmer ground as you try out different approaches . Only so much can be done from a distance , but we are out here , sending you support thru this uncertain time .
Hoping all is well and back to ketogenic normal. Worried about you.
I consumed an extra serving of caffeine today due to the colder weather and experienced an unwanted reaction just a short while ago. Fortunately it didnt last long and realized what a unpleasant effect it had on me. Still need to titrate. Thanks Rob and Lauren for sharing your experiences. 👍
Hey Lauren, I’m so glad you’re body seems to be finding its way back to homeostasis. I think it’s telling that you found yourself slipping a bit last night, but getting back on the routine seems to have nipped it in the bud.
I’m just wondering if you can maybe share more daily mean info and especially how you measure out your macros. I struggle a lot with my own brain chemistry (different challenge), but I want to go back on Keto (it was helpful but not sustainable last time). I am not great at staying organized, so it’s challenging to try to make sure everything is balanced. Being able to try what you try would make it a bit easier to follow. Plus, I’m in your region, so I can probably buy the same products you do (yay). ❤️
Oh. Ha. Your video prior to this looks to be exactly what I asked more. Sorry! More of those, plz!
This is why it tasted so sweet. Sucralose which is in your drink is derived from sugar through a multi-step manufacturing process that selectively substitutes three atoms of chlorine for three hydroxyl groups on the sugar molecule. This change produces a sweetener that has no calories, yet is 600 times sweeter than sucrose.
At least you knew the reason. Learn from it and move on. Good luck with the rest of this journey, Lauren ❤
if your tapering off your meds ...make sure tell doctor....!!
Honestly this whole experiment feels like watching a trainwreck happening ... I have schizoaffective disorder as well and I'd never put my body and mind through this for the sake of a TH-cam channel.
Seriously. The most simple explanation is reducing med intake. It's concerning to see so many people with this or a similar mental illness, or family members, being so skeptical of psychiatric treatment (like it's bad) and blaming sugar or whatever for a near-psychosis experience.
This channel is almost serving misinformation and not caring about how it affects its audience.
I agree. Is there any actual peer reviewed evidence for this? It seems like a fad diet and I have seen people trying to keto for various reasons - it does not seem to end well for any of them. I have always loved this channel for it's scientifically based information and was really alarmed at the idea of replacing medication with a diet change essentially - my aunt has so often tried to push supplements amongst other "natural* approaches, but it just does not work for mental illness. I have bipolar and if I had tried to swap out my meds for something like this, I would probably no longer be alive.
Agree, a train wreck waiting to happen!! Just take your meds and stop this BS!!
You can't figure out what causes what if you change two or more factors at the same time. The ingredients to the bottle of exogenous ketones must tell you why it tastes so sweet; I'm surprised that you don't know what these are.
Wishing you feel better darling 🎈
Thanks!
I've noticed that people have different things that can get them ok without meds. One dude went to a spiritual healing center, was fine after that. I had to completely flush my system with water, fruits, go a dif direction w/ my job, visit some graves, travel, all sorts of stuff, - but I have slowly been getting out of this cyclical hospitalization. I have also found sometimes it's people in our lives that we need to get away from because of various reasons. Health also definitely was a factor, I checked out things like Bacopa Monnieri, Cordyceps, etc. Also, swearing a lot helps until you get the frustrations out. I find if we keep ourselves from full expression, there's unresolved feelings. Negative outlooks are blown out of proportion, and can be useful if leveraged to analyze things.
Great comment! I’ve found all of these things helpful to explore, and resonate with that idea that everyone has a personal “portfolio” of things that work for them. Your last point about getting friendly with anger and other emotions that are perceived as “negative” has been key to my process. I’m glad you are finding what works for you and moving out of the cycle! ❤
Yes. Do all the things that give you the best fighting chance.
you raise an important point. many of our problems are emotional and subconscious. If your medication is too heavy it makes you dull and you are not able to deal with your problems and you are constantly depressed and in conflict. If it is too light then these problems overwhelm you and might go into psychosis.
The problems might also be spiritual, you might look for troubles for some reasons and need to readjust your view of life, expect a good outcome to events
Pre mixes of anything are subject to additional ingredients, like many others said sucralose is in it. I'd always go with a pure chemical (keytone) and a scale, then mix it yourself, if you ever try to do this again. Sorry this happened.
I have also switched diet to primarily carnivore, dairy, eggs, etc mainly due to being affected by psoriasis - Now 1-2 months in.
Why all the sweeteners and artificial additives ?? I find my hunger much more easy to control, and I feel/see my body not reacting well to them.
So I just made a choice - an easy one actually; Avoid it if at all possible. Yes, things aren't as sweet - but sweet isn't the only taste one can enjoy.
I found that UHT treated milk/cream is much sweeter than normal pasteurized - so if coffee NEEDS to be sweet, the caramelsation during the UHT process provides that bit of extra sweetness (which is probably why so many does not like the taste of UHT milk to begin with - it's sweeter)
So do youself a favour - drop all products containing sweeteners and artificial - possibly unlisted and unknown - artificial compounds.
Sorry your not well take care best wishes to you and your husband and family.
Artificial sweeteners don’t have calories, but your stomach has “taste buds” sort of. And it can taste sweetness, even in the absence of normal sugar carbohydrates. When your stomach tastes sweetness, it prepares your digestive system for carb digestion processes. So it sorta makes sense it pulled your digestive system away from ketogenic digestion.
I am schizophrenic and have been sectioned 5 times. I get seriously ill. I am trying a vegan diet just like you’re trying the keto diet. I’ve done a lot of research into the vegan diet like you have keto. I now take B12, D3, Omega 3 algae oil tablet and have vegan protein powder in my smoothies. I will say that I cut each meat out individually over years so my gut microbium adjusted gradually. I drink oat milk and some soya in tea (I think I’ll drink lab grown dairy when it’s sold). I also feel really really great spiritually as well. I feel great. Watch chefs like Derek Sano and Rainbow Plant Life on TH-cam and make the switch for the animals, yourself and the environment. You’ll feel great as I do. I don’t no longer suffer much with schizophrenia since I went vegan.
There's something to be said for listening to your doctor ❤
Hello. Beyond illogical.
She's not a doctor, she's a nutritional consultant/coach or smth. This whole diet is an experiment at the end of the day... some things work, some don't.
Just to say I’ve tried other brands of ketones and they’ve raised my levels quickly to 4 or above according to the keto mojo, so some of them definitely work. I like the brand Real Ketones. Not that you need them.
I’m so glad this diet is working for you!!
Take care thanks for sharing 👍
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day.
For help with schizophrenia:
Vitamins B6,B12
Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract)
Omega-3
Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health.
Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
You are not that sick..you function ....nothing compared to the degree of mental illness I'm in all my life
My son do keto/carnivore. We he cheat (bread or processed food) I can notice the difference very quickly. Hope more people can stick to keto for healing purposes
IMHO the potentially offending ingredients in Keto Cuts is the sucralose. This is a sugar substitute that significantly raises blood glucose and/or insulin in SOME people. There’s also the natural and artificial flavours, which is a potential concern.
To be fair her blood sugar of 127-or whatever- is not high. I thought she mentioned that after exercise she went down in her readings anyway ( low ketones) I can’t remember which video now. My question is how safe it is to always want to be in the highest state of ketosis anyway? Or to continuously and obsessively monitor your ketones to the point that one deviation is the cause of all your mental woe’s. And why does she laugh after acknowledging she did something she was advised not to do? It’s really not funny because a lot of people are looking to these videos as life changing and the end goal is medication elimination.
I guess Rob should try first as the effect wouldn’t be so detrimental.
Dr Berry says those are a waste of money.
Hi Lauren, could you do an in-depth video on how to do the medical keto diet for those who are interested?
Lauren, how's your blinking side effect with the medical keto diet/ lowered medication? This whole process is amazing and significant, and I thank you for documenting it all
I’m 5 months in, and it seems that sometimes my body makes less ketones than other times, independent of diet changes. I am trying to figure out how I stay in deeper ketosis longer term.
There are many factors influencing ketosis: stress, sleep, disease, exercise, pregnancy even the female cycle throws hormones of
@@Julia_Berrrlin yes stress is definitely a huge part.
Wonder if taking exogenous ketones shuts down your body's production of ketones. I wonder the same thing about antioxidants (among other things) - your body produces its own antioxidants, and by supplementing it may stop producing its own (the body likes homeostasis and would react by downregulating their production).
Respectfully and I apologize if I came across negative with my last post . I have mental health problems for 40 + years . I looked for every option possible about not having to live on these meds all my life. Only in the past 4 years my pcp did a DNA test that checked if the meds I was on work based on my DNA. A few did not completely match . They slowly got me off those that didn't match , and I felt and still feel so much better. I'm still on 3 meds a day . I also tried to take a multi vitamin every day and it set off anxiety and more than usual negative thoughts. I'm happy you were able to reduce the amount of medication, but sometimes the true facts are we need helpers that other's people don't need. I eat healthy foods and fruits and vegetables. No fast foods or caffeine or smoking or drinking . Please be safe and careful, and always listen to your heart . It's OK not to be ok, but you and your husband are enough together. Thanks for trying different ways to improve your health and lives with healthy foods, but the chemicals imbalances happen and that's life for us living with mental illness.
When something is sweet it can really affect you just like regular sugar even if it’s something that supposedly doesn’t affect your insulin levels. I found that out the hard way with using natural No calorie sweeteners. You can get all those things in their separately and make you own ketone blend that tastes basically like nothing.
Congratulations on scoring 3 goals! I am sure you will work out the rest.