You finally found the right bug to go along with your routine. Be careful and stay away from the keto withdraw sugary muffins, it might completely destabilize your mind. I can see how tampering with your own food might help with a poisoning delusion you might be experiencing commonly. I hope the best for you and stay healthy.
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day. For help with schizophrenia: Vitamins B6,B12 Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract) Omega-3 Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health. Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
Essentially, this emphasizes the importance of treating medical keto just as seriously as medication. Experimenting with it or straying from your clinician's advice really isn't a good idea with medication, and the same goes for medical keto. Thank you for sharing!
so true, worked with a keto kids' dietitian and the numbers for each nutrient are so important. Keto for epileptic children is so totally a medicine. It is not like most diets but has strict parameters
Which is why I'm wondering why the heck she would do this....why would you take risks with your mental like that when you have such a serious mental illness???
@@jsjameson Good point and I brought this up with my SO. There could be any number of things going on here and I think by not heeding her doctor’s advice should serve as a lesson to viewers. Perhaps they thought it could goose the channel; perhaps her body’s quick positive response to Keto was informing, but I doubt they treated this as a stunt. Curiosity, with CAUTION. ✌️
I’m scared for her. Why did she try something she was warned not to? I thought she was getting off the charts ketones on her own so why did she want to augment it? To what aim? I don’t understand . Also, this idea that she will never be able to eat carbs again for fear of psychosis. Really??
You can't really compare antipsychotic medication and "medical keto"... one is an actual medicine proven to work, the other is a diet that has no connection to mental health.
I'm so sorry to hear this happened. "For the sake of the channel" isn't a good reason to risk your health. What you do has lots of value and you don't have to worry about adding more by doing things your health care professionals recommended against.
Ive been doing keto for about 6 years now and its been a big game changer for my mental health and keeping me out of psychosis and when I first started and went out of ketosis I experienced similar things. Ive been able to lower my dose and a med change and Ive been pretty stable.
Hang in there, my sister in schizoaffective disorder. I know too well how rough psychotic symptoms can be, and how unsettling a sudden spike in them can be (I'm currently almost six months into the middle of my first psychotic episode that's made it out of the acute phase - it's also the first time I've ever been medicated with antipsychotics following a mid-30s late diagnosis). That feeling of vulnerability when you realize how narrow the margin of error is... that's completely valid, and working through those feelings is important. Remembering not to dwell on them too much and trying not to sit in them/unpack them during an uptick in psychotic symptoms can be really, really difficult. Rest as well as you can, and update us soon. 💜
I couldn’t ignore your reaction, when your husband had mentioned the percentage and your emotional status. Your not being over sensitive, your strong and a great mother. Keep staying strong and resilient❤️
Before your journey, I had absolutely no idea how amazing the keto diet is. I always thought it was used as a weight loss tool and I was so wrong. Who knew a medical keto diet and producing your own ketones would affect your mental health so drastically? Thank you for your honesty and allowing this to be a learning moment.
For the sake of yourself and your family it is important to discuss changes with your psychiatrist. I commend you for doing that. Medication levels take time and decreases should be monitored by a trusted psychiatrist. I'd like to share my insight as a daughter of a mother with schizo affective disorder as it was really hard on us kids to go though all the ups and downs. Stability is essential for the health of the whole family. Long term trauma from my mother's illness and my father's inability to be everything to everyone (desire to keep the family together and my mother denying help and fighting with us) sadly affected us permanently. The early years are formative for a childs development and kids need a lot of love and attention. I wish I had a stable parent who was present but I was passed around to other family, alone with an unwell parent or home with a loving stable dad who was distracted and working hard to keep us afloat. I share this to offer that additional perspective to consider. I see in you some refreshing insight in your illness, ability to discuss it and a determination to listen to doctors. Please try to work fighting the temptations to try other things instead focus on balance for your family. Later in I became a parent and I learned first hand what it is like to deal with impairment. I had PPP after my second child birthed just before the pandemic and it was hard to do but I took my window of insight to seek help meaning hospitalization. It was so hard but important for myself and my relationships and I knew early intervention had better outcomes. It also gave me compassion for experiencing both sides of living with an unwell parent and being a mentally unwell parent. 10 days later I was back to cuddling my baby and I do not regret it. Please keep up the good dialogue and all the healthy things you are doing and when you reach a balance stick with it. You can improve your life but you can also improve your families life and relationship long-term by providing stability. The advances in medicine have come so far. My mother finally was a healthy part of my life for the last yr of her life as a grandma when she accepted her illness and allowed the drs to give her weekly visits and injections to stabilize her medicine levels and reduce the urge to go off meds again. Previously she hit rock bottom which included jail, periodic homelessness, and finally a year in a high level mental health facility to stabilize. It was scary and heart breaking. As a kid one day mom is home when we get back from school then at night mom shaves her head, mom cooks dinner then mom runs down street naked, mom gets groceries then we quickly leave the full cart cause ppl are following us, mom is tired then mom is chasing dad and throwing things at him for trying to help her take her meds, mom takes us to church mom yells at me to run cause Satan is here, mom says no hugs cause hugging is incest, mom says she is fine and we are the problem, mom finally takes meds and sleeps for days and we pick up slack and walk on egg shells waiting. For a kid each time the levels are good or off it is uncertain. As we know re-establishing levels takes longer to achieve and sometimes it take higher doses. The injection method was easier for my mom and she wished she did it sooner. The new meds gave her insight and ability to cope with minimal symptoms. Its sad the journey it took to get there but we know schizo affective is difficult to treat and I treasure that my mom faced it and gave healing to us all. I understand people have different experiences and I share from a place of kindness to add to the discussion for the sake of children. I hope others read this with that in mind. I really admire your courage and see many lovely qualities in your family. I hope your this plan helps your metabolic health improving your overall health so you find what works and stick to it. Enjoy your beautiful family. Wishing you all good things.
So sorry you two had this experience. I see that the brand you used has sucralose and "natural flavors," both of which can cause the sugary taste and raise glucose levels Lately I have discovered "natural flavors" can include maltodextrin and other sweet-tasting substances which do not have to be revealed on labels if the amount used is below a certain threshold. I hope this possibly explains your responses. I love hearing your story and life-changing results from ketosis.😊
A couple of things: maltodextrin is a carbohydrate and does raise glucose levels, but has to be explicitly labeled on ingredient labels (it is not considered a natural flavor), and sucralose (according to the Mayo Clinic) does not raise glucose levels. Both of them do taste sweet. Some of the confusion about sucralose is because the specific consumer product *Splenda* is composed of a small amount of sucralose and a large amount of maltodextrin, so it does raise glucose levels (because of the maltodextrin, not the sucralose).
sucralose is gross and I bet our brains can react to it the same way as sugar because psychological impressions can be so strong in some neurodivergent people it can cause a physical reaction
I don’t get it, what’s the point of a keto supplement that comes with carbs!? That sounds dangerous to me, but the supplement industry is the Wild West, with close to no regulations.
Have faith Lauren, you can't avoid all the holes in the road but you are learning well how to navigate, you're brilliant, brave and inspiring and you bring a lot of hope - even long lost - back to a lot of people ❤❤❤
I had some bad episodes when using sports products on my mountain treks. Since then, I try to avoid all "magic" products like tablets and powders which promise to make me superman. The truth is there's no better source for nutrients than real food. Without side-effects and damage, if not abused. Also, pushing the body too much can be harmful, and I learned that the hard way, getting into severe burnout because of pushing myself to do more than I actually could at that time, skipping sleep for work, ignoring food & water & other basic needs... Took me years to recover and it left its marks. Ands yes, that contains ketones, but I don't know if there are enough studies regarding how they are digested and what they turn into before transitioning to the bloodstream or what happens with them in the liver. However, you were courageous enough to do this experiment, which I wouldn't have ever done and actually proved that they can be very unhealthy, which is very valuable information. I hope your video gets to as many people as possible.
Before I ever heard of the Keto diet, I used to notice that certain foods or drinks would affect my mood. I then had a delusion for years that I was "allergic" to almost everything. That led to me being too thin for years. So sorry to hear about your difficulties. I hope that you're feeling all better soon. Thank you so much for introducing me to the Keto diet for mental health. I went out last night and felt the most "normal" I've felt in years. I feel that Keto played a large role in that.
Getting knocked out of ketosis is such a hard thing when you’re mental health requires a higher level of ketones and lower level of glucose in your blood. I had a similar discussion with my partner a few months ago. Unfortunately, my downswing was harsh and lasted a bit longer until I was back in ketosis. Treat this diet as seriously as you treat taking your medication or as seriously as you make sure you get enough sleep.
And then there’s some of us who actually have a lot of food allergies with no delusions.. and people think we are mental. I’m so glad you are feeling better On keto.
Omg, you poor thing! But I do love how your supportive husband chimes in that you scored 3 goals, after you said the game was fine. Like, no, it was more than fine, you did great. But I'm so sorry you started getting psychosis symptoms from taking that supplement. Thank you for sharing your experience with us, Lauren.
When i first started it took me 2 weeks to get back to baseline. It's way faster now, as you stay keto, you'll get better. Most of us who do this for mental health make those experiences. Glad you caught it early
Thanks for sharing this info, Lauren. This is a good reminder to all of us that supplements are not always regulated and do not always have the consumers’ best interests in mind. I hope you feel better soon! ❤
Bro! I'm so excited the ketosis experiment is still working well for you. It sucks that you took the exogenous ketones and almost got sick but it's great confirmation that it's worth the hard work you're putting into the diet. Your channel is so inspiring to me right now.
Glutathione levels are much lower in schizophrenia. Tgf beta acutely depletes glutathione from cells. Tgf beta is produced in hyperglycemia, by the kidney, and is implicated in diabetic kidney disease. So it's possible that a blood sugar spike kicks off tgf beta which then depletes glutathione, resulting in psychosis. Also matches: tgf beta lowers glutathione causing lung disease. Tgf beta increased in iron overload. Tgf beta lowered by agmatine. Nicotine increases tgf beta. Cannabis psychosis linked to glutathione/tgf beta
It's interesting because her ketones were still pretty robust at 1.4, but the blood sugar may have messed things up, which is why researchers are specifically looking at the glucose to ketone index as have more correlation with mood control than ketones alone. How about caffeine? Any other culprits? Speaking of cannabis, I personally endured a cannabis induced psychotic episode
It was the medication reduction, the issues can hit up to 4 weeks later. A 40% cut is way too much. You need to go slower to avoid most of the withdrawal issues. Please get more information about safe tapering as psychiatrists lack the proper training. (It's usually 10% reduction of the previous dose every 4-6 weeks or even less. Hyperbolic. Even people who took those drugs for sleep issues can get withdrawal psychosis.)
I learned something interesting while i had a shoulder injury. If i had any inflammatory foods i would get the worst migraine of my life (which was weekly for 2 years). I thought i was prone to migraines for a while. But my injury was directed related. So it made me very aware of foods that cause inflammation. But one day i went to a Chinese medicine doc and she completely fixed my shoulder. It was crazy because it only took one session. Pain id had for 2 years was gone and i no longer got migraines from trigger foods. My point is when you have an "injury" it cant really handle "bad" food like the rest of the body can. It flairs up quicker ir at least the concequences are more immediate. Maybe schizophrenia is akin it a brain "injury" of sorts. I don't want to use that word but im trying to make a point how when we have a "weak point" it needs extra care to be ok.
What works for one may not work for another, the same with interventions and medication. Difficult to comprehend and accept especially mid episode due to the nature of the illness itself. Catch 22 really. Thank you for sharing the lesson Rob and Lauren x
Sucralose is a non-nutritive sweetener, meaning it isn't absorbed into the body. As a type 2 diabetic, I use it frequently and I don't have spikes in my blood glucose numbers.
Don't be hard on yourself. You are human and allowed to make a mistake. I make mistakes with my GAD all the time. Mostly because I have multiple chronic conditions and they all seem to overlap. Take a deep breath, step back, and breathe. You can get through this, you will get through this. It is just a bump in the road.
Soooo interesting! Why did Nicole say not to do this experiment? I'm so curious why they negatively affected you and Rob? I'm SO glad you seemed to be able to bounce back after that mishap with your ketone levels. I hope you got some rest now!!! ❤
Honestly this whole experiment feels like watching a trainwreck happening ... I have schizoaffective disorder as well and I'd never put my body and mind through this for the sake of a TH-cam channel.
Seriously. The most simple explanation is reducing med intake. It's concerning to see so many people with this or a similar mental illness, or family members, being so skeptical of psychiatric treatment (like it's bad) and blaming sugar or whatever for a near-psychosis experience. This channel is almost serving misinformation and not caring about how it affects its audience.
I agree. Is there any actual peer reviewed evidence for this? It seems like a fad diet and I have seen people trying to keto for various reasons - it does not seem to end well for any of them. I have always loved this channel for it's scientifically based information and was really alarmed at the idea of replacing medication with a diet change essentially - my aunt has so often tried to push supplements amongst other "natural* approaches, but it just does not work for mental illness. I have bipolar and if I had tried to swap out my meds for something like this, I would probably no longer be alive.
Hi there, I so appreciate your channel. I have been wondering for a while, if people are aware of the dangers of Ketones in light of those who have Type 1 Diabetes like my son? For people like him, we do everything in our power to avoid Ketones at all costs, which we were taught at diagnosis 12 years ago. Ketones are often also how people are diagnosed initially with Type 1 Diabetes. The most dangerous is when a person’s Ketones are so high, they go into DKA. This can actually lead to death, more rapidly than one might expect. If not understood or treated in time. Fruity breath, weight loss, faintness, unusually frequent need to urinate, extreme thirst, weakness, dizziness, fatigue, stomach pain, glassy eyed look, all those are symptoms associated with Ketones. I know my son, and all Type 1’s, feel very very sick within hours when they have Ketones. They can get them from simply fighting a virus, or high blood sugar, or insulin pump failure. We then have to adjust with extra insulin and other treatment protocols until all Ketones are gone. Type 1 Diabetes i very different from Type 2. It is an auto-immune disease not caused by poor diet/ exercise and cannot be cured. One needs insulin injections or insulin pump 24/7. I’ve been debating to share, because I know your journey is not about Type 1 Diabetes; yet again it felt too important to not give a mention, just for safety’s sake. I really admire your honesty about your challenging but inspiring journey living with Schizophrenia- and I wish you nothing but love, kindness and support. Thanks for listening 💖 -Saskia
It sounds very wise to be forgiving to yourself for the mistakes that happens along the way. You learn more from your mistakes than doing things “perfectly”. Also, better that the mistakes happen early while you’re still on medication, even if reduced. If you would have done this particular mistake earlier, you might not have noticed any symptoms. It’s so inspiring to follow your journey, thank you for your honesty along the way. I truly hope this intervention is going to work for you long term!
super awesome knowing there's something that helps your mental health. Through watching you and people in the comments, I learned the keto diet actually helps people with these disorders. wishing you the best!
You are doing so great. You can work through this hiccup. You have identified the problem and you can fix it. That is important. You can do this. You are aware of what works and what doesn't. I just wanted you to know that. Hiccups are a part of life. You are Doing Fabulous! 🎉🎉😊😊
I'm sorry you are struggling. It's difficult when experimenting with lower doses of medication. Every little difference must be analyzed (sometimes you get stuck here). There's always hyper vigilance and anxiety. I am happy that keto is working for you though.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I strongly recommend in future that, if tempted to experiment with anything else, to seek professional medical advice before doing so. I hope that you soon feel better. Thank you for sharing this story.
Everyone here with Schizophrenia or Schizoeffective disorder don't be going off your medication. I am 50 years old been living with the illness since l was 19. In my experience staying on anti psychotic medication is the best way to control symptoms. Well eating more protein, less carbs and sugar is good for health and weight. In my long experience taking medication is best for controlling symptoms. Why are you resting taking medication? Accept your diagnosis and take the medication. Live your life.
You can't figure out what causes what if you change two or more factors at the same time. The ingredients to the bottle of exogenous ketones must tell you why it tastes so sweet; I'm surprised that you don't know what these are.
it's amazing how you can rely on this experience now and be really optimistic about your health, and your projects, and your future. I am SOOOOOOO happy that it seems really work for you. The keto diet WORKS on your symptoms.
I think you sharing how you are feeling and managing right now is very helpful. I personally had a negative experience with the keto diet, but if it helps anyone else, great. I am concerned about anyone reducing medication before seeing any consistent positive results in a dietary/metabolic change.
I'm Bipolar type 2, and everytime I do keto I get rapid manic episodes, losing weight can be tough because of this. I've found a happy middle ground while trying to lose weight post partum, I'm on my typical meds butttt I just lowered my bread and pasta intake, I can have rice and fruit and veg just not the others. I also limit red meat because that also triggers it, and stick to a good sleep schedule ❤
Wow!! this is so fascinating. i hope that things even out for you and you feel balance again soon. And yes, what an incredible lesson, to realise just how massively the medical keto diet is impacting you in a beneficial way. Thank you so much for sharing so honestly.... be gentle with yourself as you recover from this blip :)
I use to watch her in the beginning but now I don’t enjoy the content I understand wanting to try different things but I think not being stable is very Dangerous for her and can lead to hospitalization. I wish she would just stick to her meds and maybe just healthy eating. I think it would be better for her
It might also has to with the fact that the ketones produced internally are regulated at all times by your body's metabolism, while taking an exogenous amount of ketones might have taken your metabolism out of balance and so your endogenous ketone production made halt to try and restore it. Thank you so much for the information that you are providing and I wish you all the best.
Sometimes, exercise can cause a downer feeling. It just means you are exhausted. Breath deeply, rest well and don't let this be more than being tired unless it happens for a long period the next day.
Ok so Allmax KetoCuts contains an artificial sweetener called, Sucralose, which is also found in Splenda. It is known to raise glucose levels and insulin in the body which explains why your glucose levels were much higher than usual, although 120 is still not considered dangerously high. This also explains why you were feeling extra anxious/weird and very tired the next day. You basically experienced an unexpected sugar high and crashed. I know a lot about this topic being in the medical field and suffering from Generalized Anxiety and Panic Attack disorders along with a few other mental disorders/illnesses. Although I am advised to stay away from Caffeine I find artificial sweeteners like Sucrose and Aspartame ( phenylalanine) to be even more dangerous! I hope you are feeling much better now, but please promise never to take that stuff again!
This this this. There appears to be not enough regulation when it comes to certain ingredients or proper testing of them - esp when it’s part of a lucrative industry. We need to be careful and know that while many may be able to tolerate a certain level of toxicity within our bodies, there are many who cannot. And that’s ok! Except no one is looking out for those exceptions to the rule, so we have to do it ourselves. Or for each other.
It's amazing to see how keto has helped you so far! Med reductions are a very good sign! I just started a gluten free diet and have an 80% reduction in symptoms even though I haven't been completely consistent with it. I'm motivated to go completely gf now and will post results.
I have learned the hard way that some body processes take months or even years to change. It is certainly not a good idea to do too many changes in a short time to boost the effect. I fully believe that your diet has an effect on your mental health - but if you believe in this effectiveness one should really avoid such short term stunts.
Having been in pyschosis in 2020 and coming of meds for a year and having symptoms of it coming back o went back on meds. Do you not think being on meds is going to be better than risking getting unwell again? I am interested in this you are very brave
Excuse me for my ignorance, but aren't ketones simply an indication that your body is in ketosis? In other words your body produces ketones as an alternative fuel source when it runs out of glycogen stores, so to me it doesn't make sense that drinking that fuel source would encourage your body to produce more. Either way this was an interesting experiment, thank you for sharing your experience!
Oh my god so much info from your experience! And finally you did so well you took the supl so now you know. Everything is new for your body and I suppose it needs time to be stronger to adjust to your new lifestyle to be more stable. Be insistive and patient and give time. For sure it will come the day when you wont be in ketosis but you wont feel those big fall outs. I wish helth strength to you and all the people that are strangling. Your destiny is to be a big teacher.
I am schizophrenic and have been sectioned 5 times. I get seriously ill. I am trying a vegan diet just like you’re trying the keto diet. I’ve done a lot of research into the vegan diet like you have keto. I now take B12, D3, Omega 3 algae oil tablet and have vegan protein powder in my smoothies. I will say that I cut each meat out individually over years so my gut microbium adjusted gradually. I drink oat milk and some soya in tea (I think I’ll drink lab grown dairy when it’s sold). I also feel really really great spiritually as well. I feel great. Watch chefs like Derek Sano and Rainbow Plant Life on TH-cam and make the switch for the animals, yourself and the environment. You’ll feel great as I do. I don’t no longer suffer much with schizophrenia since I went vegan.
Well, dang it, this was a punch to the solar plexus. Many thanks to you for letting us know how it went, and we all wish you a quick return to a stable, reliable place!
People with various levels of experience may have strong opinions to share . But this is your treatment after all . I think most of us just want you to experiment with what works , and just know we are concerned and supporting your steps back to firmer ground as you try out different approaches . Only so much can be done from a distance , but we are out here , sending you support thru this uncertain time .
Can you explain how psychosis happens for you? Because when I think of psychosis I think of delusions and hallucinations. What beginning stages of psychosis are you referring to? What is exactly happening for you? Because from the outside it’s not always noticeable, but I don’t want to dismiss your experience.
I have bipolar one with psychotic features so I can somewhat relate but I’m always intrigued by others experiences. I tried the keto diet once for managing it but it wasn’t sustainable for me especially because I still live with my parents and they wouldn’t cater to me when my mom made dinner every night.
Wonder if taking exogenous ketones shuts down your body's production of ketones. I wonder the same thing about antioxidants (among other things) - your body produces its own antioxidants, and by supplementing it may stop producing its own (the body likes homeostasis and would react by downregulating their production).
I bought a pint of whiskey against my better judgement and kind of lost control for a night. Been taking my medication. Acknowledge what's happening helps.
IMHO the potentially offending ingredients in Keto Cuts is the sucralose. This is a sugar substitute that significantly raises blood glucose and/or insulin in SOME people. There’s also the natural and artificial flavours, which is a potential concern.
To be fair her blood sugar of 127-or whatever- is not high. I thought she mentioned that after exercise she went down in her readings anyway ( low ketones) I can’t remember which video now. My question is how safe it is to always want to be in the highest state of ketosis anyway? Or to continuously and obsessively monitor your ketones to the point that one deviation is the cause of all your mental woe’s. And why does she laugh after acknowledging she did something she was advised not to do? It’s really not funny because a lot of people are looking to these videos as life changing and the end goal is medication elimination.
I have also switched diet to primarily carnivore, dairy, eggs, etc mainly due to being affected by psoriasis - Now 1-2 months in. Why all the sweeteners and artificial additives ?? I find my hunger much more easy to control, and I feel/see my body not reacting well to them. So I just made a choice - an easy one actually; Avoid it if at all possible. Yes, things aren't as sweet - but sweet isn't the only taste one can enjoy. I found that UHT treated milk/cream is much sweeter than normal pasteurized - so if coffee NEEDS to be sweet, the caramelsation during the UHT process provides that bit of extra sweetness (which is probably why so many does not like the taste of UHT milk to begin with - it's sweeter) So do youself a favour - drop all products containing sweeteners and artificial - possibly unlisted and unknown - artificial compounds.
Thank you for going through this to help us all. I have schizophrenia and I have always been mainly paleo and mostly keto but since you started I have been eating mostly keto to see if it helps
Hey Lauren, I’m so glad you’re body seems to be finding its way back to homeostasis. I think it’s telling that you found yourself slipping a bit last night, but getting back on the routine seems to have nipped it in the bud. I’m just wondering if you can maybe share more daily mean info and especially how you measure out your macros. I struggle a lot with my own brain chemistry (different challenge), but I want to go back on Keto (it was helpful but not sustainable last time). I am not great at staying organized, so it’s challenging to try to make sure everything is balanced. Being able to try what you try would make it a bit easier to follow. Plus, I’m in your region, so I can probably buy the same products you do (yay). ❤️
I’m so happy you are trying keto. The establishment medical community is so stuck in the past and chooses to ignore the millions of people benefiting from keto or carnivore. They are so resistant to any sort of change. I’ve followed you for a long time and seen some of the dramatic lows in your life and when you were trying keto I was so hopeful and praying you benefit from it. I just want you to be well forever whether that is from keto, your meds or a combination of both. Just stick to diet keto and not any extra crap. All the on store keto snacks and supplements are not good.
The established medical community has produced a number of studies that verifies this diet to be quite effective, for some, at significantly improving symptoms.
This is why it tasted so sweet. Sucralose which is in your drink is derived from sugar through a multi-step manufacturing process that selectively substitutes three atoms of chlorine for three hydroxyl groups on the sugar molecule. This change produces a sweetener that has no calories, yet is 600 times sweeter than sucrose.
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day. For help with schizophrenia: Vitamins B6,B12 Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract) Omega-3 Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health. Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
Artificial sweeteners don’t have calories, but your stomach has “taste buds” sort of. And it can taste sweetness, even in the absence of normal sugar carbohydrates. When your stomach tastes sweetness, it prepares your digestive system for carb digestion processes. So it sorta makes sense it pulled your digestive system away from ketogenic digestion.
My son do keto/carnivore. We he cheat (bread or processed food) I can notice the difference very quickly. Hope more people can stick to keto for healing purposes
I consumed an extra serving of caffeine today due to the colder weather and experienced an unwanted reaction just a short while ago. Fortunately it didnt last long and realized what a unpleasant effect it had on me. Still need to titrate. Thanks Rob and Lauren for sharing your experiences. 👍
Pre mixes of anything are subject to additional ingredients, like many others said sucralose is in it. I'd always go with a pure chemical (keytone) and a scale, then mix it yourself, if you ever try to do this again. Sorry this happened.
Lauren, how's your blinking side effect with the medical keto diet/ lowered medication? This whole process is amazing and significant, and I thank you for documenting it all
Medical doctor here - I would imagine this was caused by the artificial sweetener causing a large insulin spike. Not sure how this lowered ketosis but it would make sense if the body "thought" it was getting a large influx of sugar.
Respectfully and I apologize if I came across negative with my last post . I have mental health problems for 40 + years . I looked for every option possible about not having to live on these meds all my life. Only in the past 4 years my pcp did a DNA test that checked if the meds I was on work based on my DNA. A few did not completely match . They slowly got me off those that didn't match , and I felt and still feel so much better. I'm still on 3 meds a day . I also tried to take a multi vitamin every day and it set off anxiety and more than usual negative thoughts. I'm happy you were able to reduce the amount of medication, but sometimes the true facts are we need helpers that other's people don't need. I eat healthy foods and fruits and vegetables. No fast foods or caffeine or smoking or drinking . Please be safe and careful, and always listen to your heart . It's OK not to be ok, but you and your husband are enough together. Thanks for trying different ways to improve your health and lives with healthy foods, but the chemicals imbalances happen and that's life for us living with mental illness.
Just to say I’ve tried other brands of ketones and they’ve raised my levels quickly to 4 or above according to the keto mojo, so some of them definitely work. I like the brand Real Ketones. Not that you need them. I’m so glad this diet is working for you!!
That non-medical ingredients list including 'Natural and Artificial Flavors' looks scary to me. People have had incredible results with elimination diets, strict carnivore diets being an increasing popular example. While some stick with such diets for years, even a lifetime. A number of people gradually reintroduce foods into their diets. Reintroduced foods often surprise people, discovering that seemingly healthy foods cause them issues, or that they can now tolerate foods that used to be problematic. Food can be your medicine and/or poison. I'd be especially weary of processed foods. Wish you all the best on your journey.
Everytime i get a psychosis, i get worse. My brain takes damages, i can’t do the same as before, and my symptoms worsens. Is that just me? Maybe I should say, that i have epilepsy aswell and my brain may actually get braindamage every time
I use to run ultra marathons, hike 100+ km ultra hikes, run 6 times a week. Now i am having a hard time leaving my House, the neorolagist are saying i probably have a damageds nervous system, and i can barely feel music anymore. (Relapsed in 2020)
You reminded me of the cooking channel: Victoria's Keto Kitchen, because she has epilepsy too. She's said that the diet prevents her seizures extremely effective. I'm going to mix up one of her baking flour blends today and see if it works for popovers. It worked fine for biscuits and scones.
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You finally found the right bug to go along with your routine. Be careful and stay away from the keto withdraw sugary muffins, it might completely destabilize your mind. I can see how tampering with your own food might help with a poisoning delusion you might be experiencing commonly. I hope the best for you and stay healthy.
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day.
For help with schizophrenia:
Vitamins B6,B12
Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract)
Omega-3
Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health.
Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
Thankyou means so much 🙏🏼x
Urine has ketones. There is also methyl ethyl ketone.
Essentially, this emphasizes the importance of treating medical keto just as seriously as medication. Experimenting with it or straying from your clinician's advice really isn't a good idea with medication, and the same goes for medical keto. Thank you for sharing!
so true, worked with a keto kids' dietitian and the numbers for each nutrient are so important. Keto for epileptic children is so totally a medicine. It is not like most diets but has strict parameters
Which is why I'm wondering why the heck she would do this....why would you take risks with your mental like that when you have such a serious mental illness???
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Good point and I brought this up with my SO. There could be any number of things going on here and I think by not heeding her doctor’s advice should serve as a lesson to viewers. Perhaps they thought it could goose the channel; perhaps her body’s quick positive response to Keto was informing, but I doubt they treated this as a stunt.
Curiosity, with CAUTION.
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I’m scared for her. Why did she try something she was warned not to? I thought she was getting off the charts ketones on her own so why did she want to augment it? To what aim? I don’t understand . Also, this idea that she will never be able to eat carbs again for fear of psychosis. Really??
You can't really compare antipsychotic medication and "medical keto"... one is an actual medicine proven to work, the other is a diet that has no connection to mental health.
I'm so sorry to hear this happened. "For the sake of the channel" isn't a good reason to risk your health. What you do has lots of value and you don't have to worry about adding more by doing things your health care professionals recommended against.
They way you served this info was like watching a soccer mom reveal that she took psychedelics before church 💜
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Ive been doing keto for about 6 years now and its been a big game changer for my mental health and keeping me out of psychosis and when I first started and went out of ketosis I experienced similar things. Ive been able to lower my dose and a med change and Ive been pretty stable.
how high of a dose are you on
Aww Lauren, thanks for your honesty 🙏❤x
Hang in there, my sister in schizoaffective disorder. I know too well how rough psychotic symptoms can be, and how unsettling a sudden spike in them can be (I'm currently almost six months into the middle of my first psychotic episode that's made it out of the acute phase - it's also the first time I've ever been medicated with antipsychotics following a mid-30s late diagnosis).
That feeling of vulnerability when you realize how narrow the margin of error is... that's completely valid, and working through those feelings is important. Remembering not to dwell on them too much and trying not to sit in them/unpack them during an uptick in psychotic symptoms can be really, really difficult.
Rest as well as you can, and update us soon. 💜
I couldn’t ignore your reaction, when your husband had mentioned the percentage and your emotional status. Your not being over sensitive, your strong and a great mother. Keep staying strong and resilient❤️
Before your journey, I had absolutely no idea how amazing the keto diet is. I always thought it was used as a weight loss tool and I was so wrong. Who knew a medical keto diet and producing your own ketones would affect your mental health so drastically? Thank you for your honesty and allowing this to be a learning moment.
For the sake of yourself and your family it is important to discuss changes with your psychiatrist. I commend you for doing that. Medication levels take time and decreases should be monitored by a trusted psychiatrist.
I'd like to share my insight as a daughter of a mother with schizo affective disorder as it was really hard on us kids to go though all the ups and downs. Stability is essential for the health of the whole family. Long term trauma from my mother's illness and my father's inability to be everything to everyone (desire to keep the family together and my mother denying help and fighting with us) sadly affected us permanently. The early years are formative for a childs development and kids need a lot of love and attention. I wish I had a stable parent who was present but I was passed around to other family, alone with an unwell parent or home with a loving stable dad who was distracted and working hard to keep us afloat. I share this to offer that additional perspective to consider.
I see in you some refreshing insight in your illness, ability to discuss it and a determination to listen to doctors. Please try to work fighting the temptations to try other things instead focus on balance for your family.
Later in I became a parent and I learned first hand what it is like to deal with impairment. I had PPP after my second child birthed just before the pandemic and it was hard to do but I took my window of insight to seek help meaning hospitalization. It was so hard but important for myself and my relationships and I knew early intervention had better outcomes. It also gave me compassion for experiencing both sides of living with an unwell parent and being a mentally unwell parent. 10 days later I was back to cuddling my baby and I do not regret it.
Please keep up the good dialogue and all the healthy things you are doing and when you reach a balance stick with it. You can improve your life but you can also improve your families life and relationship long-term by providing stability. The advances in medicine have come so far. My mother finally was a healthy part of my life for the last yr of her life as a grandma when she accepted her illness and allowed the drs to give her weekly visits and injections to stabilize her medicine levels and reduce the urge to go off meds again. Previously she hit rock bottom which included jail, periodic homelessness, and finally a year in a high level mental health facility to stabilize. It was scary and heart breaking. As a kid one day mom is home when we get back from school then at night mom shaves her head, mom cooks dinner then mom runs down street naked, mom gets groceries then we quickly leave the full cart cause ppl are following us, mom is tired then mom is chasing dad and throwing things at him for trying to help her take her meds, mom takes us to church mom yells at me to run cause Satan is here, mom says no hugs cause hugging is incest, mom says she is fine and we are the problem, mom finally takes meds and sleeps for days and we pick up slack and walk on egg shells waiting. For a kid each time the levels are good or off it is uncertain. As we know re-establishing levels takes longer to achieve and sometimes it take higher doses. The injection method was easier for my mom and she wished she did it sooner. The new meds gave her insight and ability to cope with minimal symptoms. Its sad the journey it took to get there but we know schizo affective is difficult to treat and I treasure that my mom faced it and gave healing to us all.
I understand people have different experiences and I share from a place of kindness to add to the discussion for the sake of children. I hope others read this with that in mind.
I really admire your courage and see many lovely qualities in your family. I hope your this plan helps your metabolic health improving your overall health so you find what works and stick to it. Enjoy your beautiful family. Wishing you all good things.
So sorry you two had this experience. I see that the brand you used has sucralose and "natural flavors," both of which can cause the sugary taste and raise glucose levels Lately I have discovered "natural flavors" can include maltodextrin and other sweet-tasting substances which do not have to be revealed on labels if the amount used is below a certain threshold. I hope this possibly explains your responses. I love hearing your story and life-changing results from ketosis.😊
A couple of things: maltodextrin is a carbohydrate and does raise glucose levels, but has to be explicitly labeled on ingredient labels (it is not considered a natural flavor), and sucralose (according to the Mayo Clinic) does not raise glucose levels. Both of them do taste sweet. Some of the confusion about sucralose is because the specific consumer product *Splenda* is composed of a small amount of sucralose and a large amount of maltodextrin, so it does raise glucose levels (because of the maltodextrin, not the sucralose).
sucralose is gross and I bet our brains can react to it the same way as sugar because psychological impressions can be so strong in some neurodivergent people it can cause a physical reaction
additionally, it could be the case that the MCT powder has cyclodextrin or other carbohydrates that act to absorb/carry the oil.
I don’t get it, what’s the point of a keto supplement that comes with carbs!? That sounds dangerous to me, but the supplement industry is the Wild West, with close to no regulations.
Have faith Lauren, you can't avoid all the holes in the road but you are learning well how to navigate, you're brilliant, brave and inspiring and you bring a lot of hope - even long lost - back to a lot of people ❤❤❤
I had some bad episodes when using sports products on my mountain treks. Since then, I try to avoid all "magic" products like tablets and powders which promise to make me superman. The truth is there's no better source for nutrients than real food. Without side-effects and damage, if not abused.
Also, pushing the body too much can be harmful, and I learned that the hard way, getting into severe burnout because of pushing myself to do more than I actually could at that time, skipping sleep for work, ignoring food & water & other basic needs... Took me years to recover and it left its marks. Ands yes, that contains ketones, but I don't know if there are enough studies regarding how they are digested and what they turn into before transitioning to the bloodstream or what happens with them in the liver.
However, you were courageous enough to do this experiment, which I wouldn't have ever done and actually proved that they can be very unhealthy, which is very valuable information. I hope your video gets to as many people as possible.
Before I ever heard of the Keto diet, I used to notice that certain foods or drinks would affect my mood. I then had a delusion for years that I was "allergic" to almost everything. That led to me being too thin for years.
So sorry to hear about your difficulties. I hope that you're feeling all better soon.
Thank you so much for introducing me to the Keto diet for mental health. I went out last night and felt the most "normal" I've felt in years. I feel that Keto played a large role in that.
Yaaaaaaayyyy,congrats :)
@@Julia_Berrrlin Thanks 😊
Getting knocked out of ketosis is such a hard thing when you’re mental health requires a higher level of ketones and lower level of glucose in your blood.
I had a similar discussion with my partner a few months ago. Unfortunately, my downswing was harsh and lasted a bit longer until I was back in ketosis.
Treat this diet as seriously as you treat taking your medication or as seriously as you make sure you get enough sleep.
I’m glad you noticed some benefits.
And then there’s some of us who actually have a lot of food allergies with no delusions.. and people think we are mental. I’m so glad you are feeling better
On keto.
I love how you model productive conversation and intervention! It's really inspiring
Omg, you poor thing! But I do love how your supportive husband chimes in that you scored 3 goals, after you said the game was fine. Like, no, it was more than fine, you did great. But I'm so sorry you started getting psychosis symptoms from taking that supplement. Thank you for sharing your experience with us, Lauren.
When i first started it took me 2 weeks to get back to baseline. It's way faster now, as you stay keto, you'll get better. Most of us who do this for mental health make those experiences. Glad you caught it early
Wow, I'm so sorry you went through that. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I love how supportive Rob is.
That was scary, Lauren. I'm glad you are improving. Best wishes.
Thanks for sharing this info, Lauren. This is a good reminder to all of us that supplements are not always regulated and do not always have the consumers’ best interests in mind. I hope you feel better soon! ❤
Bro! I'm so excited the ketosis experiment is still working well for you. It sucks that you took the exogenous ketones and almost got sick but it's great confirmation that it's worth the hard work you're putting into the diet.
Your channel is so inspiring to me right now.
Hope you get well soon Lauren your such am inspiration to others ❤
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So glad you’re feeling better! It sounds like this drink isn’t for someone wanting to “stay” in ketosis. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Glutathione levels are much lower in schizophrenia. Tgf beta acutely depletes glutathione from cells. Tgf beta is produced in hyperglycemia, by the kidney, and is implicated in diabetic kidney disease. So it's possible that a blood sugar spike kicks off tgf beta which then depletes glutathione, resulting in psychosis.
Also matches: tgf beta lowers glutathione causing lung disease. Tgf beta increased in iron overload. Tgf beta lowered by agmatine. Nicotine increases tgf beta. Cannabis psychosis linked to glutathione/tgf beta
It’s interesting because I have a mutation in TGFBR1 that can increase TGFB levels
It's interesting because her ketones were still pretty robust at 1.4, but the blood sugar may have messed things up, which is why researchers are specifically looking at the glucose to ketone index as have more correlation with mood control than ketones alone. How about caffeine? Any other culprits?
Speaking of cannabis, I personally endured a cannabis induced psychotic episode
Go figure caffeine actually reduces tgf beta
It was the medication reduction, the issues can hit up to 4 weeks later. A 40% cut is way too much. You need to go slower to avoid most of the withdrawal issues.
Please get more information about safe tapering as psychiatrists lack the proper training. (It's usually 10% reduction of the previous dose every 4-6 weeks or even less. Hyperbolic. Even people who took those drugs for sleep issues can get withdrawal psychosis.)
Right
I learned something interesting while i had a shoulder injury. If i had any inflammatory foods i would get the worst migraine of my life (which was weekly for 2 years). I thought i was prone to migraines for a while. But my injury was directed related. So it made me very aware of foods that cause inflammation. But one day i went to a Chinese medicine doc and she completely fixed my shoulder. It was crazy because it only took one session. Pain id had for 2 years was gone and i no longer got migraines from trigger foods. My point is when you have an "injury" it cant really handle "bad" food like the rest of the body can. It flairs up quicker ir at least the concequences are more immediate. Maybe schizophrenia is akin it a brain "injury" of sorts. I don't want to use that word but im trying to make a point how when we have a "weak point" it needs extra care to be ok.
What works for one may not work for another, the same with interventions and medication. Difficult to comprehend and accept especially mid episode due to the nature of the illness itself. Catch 22 really.
Thank you for sharing the lesson Rob and Lauren x
It has sucralose in it. A form of sugar. And a lot of caffeine.
ooooh you're right ! we often look for sugar and we forgot how caffeine can affect insulin sensitivity !
Sucralose is a non-nutritive sweetener, meaning it isn't absorbed into the body. As a type 2 diabetic, I use it frequently and I don't have spikes in my blood glucose numbers.
When I saw she was taking Coffee I was way surprised
@@Marc001in some people, the body will still respond to the sweetness as if it was sugar and may produce an insulin response.
Oo caffeine: we learned the hard way that caffeine is a huge mistake with our daughter’s schizoaffective disorder.
I bet this video is going to help a lot of people! Thank you so much for sharing your journey with us and being open about the ups and downs.
Don't be hard on yourself. You are human and allowed to make a mistake. I make mistakes with my GAD all the time. Mostly because I have multiple chronic conditions and they all seem to overlap. Take a deep breath, step back, and breathe. You can get through this, you will get through this. It is just a bump in the road.
You seem helluh confident.One does well when you really know the solution/resolve.
Soooo interesting! Why did Nicole say not to do this experiment? I'm so curious why they negatively affected you and Rob? I'm SO glad you seemed to be able to bounce back after that mishap with your ketone levels. I hope you got some rest now!!! ❤
Honestly this whole experiment feels like watching a trainwreck happening ... I have schizoaffective disorder as well and I'd never put my body and mind through this for the sake of a TH-cam channel.
Seriously. The most simple explanation is reducing med intake. It's concerning to see so many people with this or a similar mental illness, or family members, being so skeptical of psychiatric treatment (like it's bad) and blaming sugar or whatever for a near-psychosis experience.
This channel is almost serving misinformation and not caring about how it affects its audience.
I agree. Is there any actual peer reviewed evidence for this? It seems like a fad diet and I have seen people trying to keto for various reasons - it does not seem to end well for any of them. I have always loved this channel for it's scientifically based information and was really alarmed at the idea of replacing medication with a diet change essentially - my aunt has so often tried to push supplements amongst other "natural* approaches, but it just does not work for mental illness. I have bipolar and if I had tried to swap out my meds for something like this, I would probably no longer be alive.
Agree, a train wreck waiting to happen!! Just take your meds and stop this BS!!
Hi there, I so appreciate your channel. I have been wondering for a while, if people are aware of the dangers of Ketones in light of those who have Type 1 Diabetes like my son? For people like him, we do everything in our power to avoid Ketones at all costs, which we were taught at diagnosis 12 years ago. Ketones are often also how people are diagnosed initially with Type 1 Diabetes. The most dangerous is when a person’s Ketones are so high, they go into DKA. This can actually lead to death, more rapidly than one might expect. If not understood or treated in time. Fruity breath, weight loss, faintness, unusually frequent need to urinate, extreme thirst, weakness, dizziness, fatigue, stomach pain, glassy eyed look, all those are symptoms associated with Ketones.
I know my son, and all Type 1’s, feel very very sick within hours when they have Ketones. They can get them from simply fighting a virus, or high blood sugar, or insulin pump failure. We then have to adjust with extra insulin and other treatment protocols until all Ketones are gone. Type 1 Diabetes i very different from Type 2. It is an auto-immune disease not caused by poor diet/ exercise and cannot be cured. One needs insulin injections or insulin pump 24/7. I’ve been debating to share, because I know your journey is not about Type 1 Diabetes; yet again it felt too important to not give a mention, just for safety’s sake. I really admire your honesty about your challenging but inspiring journey living with Schizophrenia- and I wish you nothing but love, kindness and support. Thanks for listening 💖 -Saskia
It sounds very wise to be forgiving to yourself for the mistakes that happens along the way. You learn more from your mistakes than doing things “perfectly”. Also, better that the mistakes happen early while you’re still on medication, even if reduced. If you would have done this particular mistake earlier, you might not have noticed any symptoms. It’s so inspiring to follow your journey, thank you for your honesty along the way. I truly hope this intervention is going to work for you long term!
super awesome knowing there's something that helps your mental health. Through watching you and people in the comments, I learned the keto diet actually helps people with these disorders. wishing you the best!
You are doing so great. You can work through this hiccup. You have identified the problem and you can fix it. That is important. You can do this. You are aware of what works and what doesn't. I just wanted you to know that. Hiccups are a part of life. You are Doing Fabulous! 🎉🎉😊😊
Dont panic, you were long on strong medication, lowering meds does changes, they recommend gradual lowering over years depending on symptoms
I'm sorry you are struggling. It's difficult when experimenting with lower doses of medication. Every little difference must be analyzed (sometimes you get stuck here). There's always hyper vigilance and anxiety. I am happy that keto is working for you though.
Praying things get well soon ❤ I know it's hard to not rush when one has a chronic illness. Bless you! 😄
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I strongly recommend in future that, if tempted to experiment with anything else, to seek professional medical advice before doing so. I hope that you soon feel better. Thank you for sharing this story.
I'm following your adventur day after day. I find it very impressive. Don't give up! 👍
Wow! That really shows the effectiveness of ketogen diet in your case! Mindblowing! 😳😱
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with metabolic interventions!! 💜
Everyone here with Schizophrenia or Schizoeffective disorder don't be going off your medication. I am 50 years old been living with the illness since l was 19. In my experience staying on anti psychotic medication is the best way to control symptoms. Well eating more protein, less carbs and sugar is good for health and weight. In my long experience taking medication is best for controlling symptoms. Why are you resting taking medication? Accept your diagnosis and take the medication. Live your life.
You can't figure out what causes what if you change two or more factors at the same time. The ingredients to the bottle of exogenous ketones must tell you why it tastes so sweet; I'm surprised that you don't know what these are.
it's amazing how you can rely on this experience now and be really optimistic about your health, and your projects, and your future. I am SOOOOOOO happy that it seems really work for you. The keto diet WORKS on your symptoms.
I think you sharing how you are feeling and managing right now is very helpful. I personally had a negative experience with the keto diet, but if it helps anyone else, great. I am concerned about anyone reducing medication before seeing any consistent positive results in a dietary/metabolic change.
I'm Bipolar type 2, and everytime I do keto I get rapid manic episodes, losing weight can be tough because of this. I've found a happy middle ground while trying to lose weight post partum, I'm on my typical meds butttt I just lowered my bread and pasta intake, I can have rice and fruit and veg just not the others. I also limit red meat because that also triggers it, and stick to a good sleep schedule ❤
Wow!! this is so fascinating. i hope that things even out for you and you feel balance again soon. And yes, what an incredible lesson, to realise just how massively the medical keto diet is impacting you in a beneficial way. Thank you so much for sharing so honestly.... be gentle with yourself as you recover from this blip :)
When I have low blood sugar I get anxious immediately. So it makes sense that this effected you as quickly as well!
I use to watch her in the beginning but now I don’t enjoy the content I understand wanting to try different things but I think not being stable is very Dangerous for her and can lead to hospitalization.
I wish she would just stick to her meds and maybe just healthy eating. I think it would be better for her
I knew this would work - thank god! Wish my sister would listen to me about this.
I wish your sister would listen to appropriately qualified medical professionals
It might also has to with the fact that the ketones produced internally are regulated at all times by your body's metabolism, while taking an exogenous amount of ketones might have taken your metabolism out of balance and so your endogenous ketone production made halt to try and restore it. Thank you so much for the information that you are providing and I wish you all the best.
Sometimes, exercise can cause a downer feeling. It just means you are exhausted. Breath deeply, rest well and don't let this be more than being tired unless it happens for a long period the next day.
Ok so Allmax KetoCuts contains an artificial sweetener called, Sucralose, which is also found in Splenda. It is known to raise glucose levels and insulin in the body which explains why your glucose levels were much higher than usual, although 120 is still not considered dangerously high. This also explains why you were feeling extra anxious/weird and very tired the next day. You basically experienced an unexpected sugar high and crashed. I know a lot about this topic being in the medical field and suffering from Generalized Anxiety and Panic Attack disorders along with a few other mental disorders/illnesses. Although I am advised to stay away from Caffeine I find artificial sweeteners like Sucrose and Aspartame ( phenylalanine) to be even more dangerous! I hope you are feeling much better now, but please promise never to take that stuff again!
This this this. There appears to be not enough regulation when it comes to certain ingredients or proper testing of them - esp when it’s part of a lucrative industry. We need to be careful and know that while many may be able to tolerate a certain level of toxicity within our bodies, there are many who cannot. And that’s ok! Except no one is looking out for those exceptions to the rule, so we have to do it ourselves. Or for each other.
@@joeyshabbadoo you are absolutely right! Nobody is going to look out better for us than us ourselves.
It's amazing to see how keto has helped you so far! Med reductions are a very good sign! I just started a gluten free diet and have an 80% reduction in symptoms even though I haven't been completely consistent with it. I'm motivated to go completely gf now and will post results.
From a neurological standpoint a blood sugar of 127 is much less concerning than one of 70 or below.
I have learned the hard way that some body processes take months or even years to change. It is certainly not a good idea to do too many changes in a short time to boost the effect. I fully believe that your diet has an effect on your mental health - but if you believe in this effectiveness one should really avoid such short term stunts.
Having been in pyschosis in 2020 and coming of meds for a year and having symptoms of it coming back o went back on meds. Do you not think being on meds is going to be better than risking getting unwell again? I am interested in this you are very brave
I've just checked the label, there is sucralose in it, it's written in the bottom right corner of the label, he's definitely the culprit.
I hope you continue to feel better! Sending healing thoughts and glad it didn’t keep you from getting back into ketosis! 🤗🙏🏼
Excuse me for my ignorance, but aren't ketones simply an indication that your body is in ketosis? In other words your body produces ketones as an alternative fuel source when it runs out of glycogen stores, so to me it doesn't make sense that drinking that fuel source would encourage your body to produce more. Either way this was an interesting experiment, thank you for sharing your experience!
Thank you for the heads up.
I love your chair! Looks so comfy. ❤
You learned something pretty important and valuable information for those hoping to try medical keto. I am glad your mistake wasn’t too detrimental.
Oh my god so much info from your experience! And finally you did so well you took the supl so now you know. Everything is new for your body and I suppose it needs time to be stronger to adjust to your new lifestyle to be more stable. Be insistive and patient and give time. For sure it will come the day when you wont be in ketosis but you wont feel those big fall outs. I wish helth strength to you and all the people that are strangling. Your destiny is to be a big teacher.
So glad you are OK now! Thanks for all you do!
I am schizophrenic and have been sectioned 5 times. I get seriously ill. I am trying a vegan diet just like you’re trying the keto diet. I’ve done a lot of research into the vegan diet like you have keto. I now take B12, D3, Omega 3 algae oil tablet and have vegan protein powder in my smoothies. I will say that I cut each meat out individually over years so my gut microbium adjusted gradually. I drink oat milk and some soya in tea (I think I’ll drink lab grown dairy when it’s sold). I also feel really really great spiritually as well. I feel great. Watch chefs like Derek Sano and Rainbow Plant Life on TH-cam and make the switch for the animals, yourself and the environment. You’ll feel great as I do. I don’t no longer suffer much with schizophrenia since I went vegan.
Well, dang it, this was a punch to the solar plexus. Many thanks to you for letting us know how it went, and we all wish you a quick return to a stable, reliable place!
BG at 127 "extremely high" this type-1 diabetic be rolling on floor laughing. 😆😆😆
I’m glad both of you are okay! Thanks for sharing.
People with various levels of experience may have strong opinions to share . But this is your treatment after all . I think most of us just want you to experiment with what works , and just know we are concerned and supporting your steps back to firmer ground as you try out different approaches . Only so much can be done from a distance , but we are out here , sending you support thru this uncertain time .
Can you explain how psychosis happens for you? Because when I think of psychosis I think of delusions and hallucinations. What beginning stages of psychosis are you referring to? What is exactly happening for you? Because from the outside it’s not always noticeable, but I don’t want to dismiss your experience.
I have bipolar one with psychotic features so I can somewhat relate but I’m always intrigued by others experiences. I tried the keto diet once for managing it but it wasn’t sustainable for me especially because I still live with my parents and they wouldn’t cater to me when my mom made dinner every night.
Wonder if taking exogenous ketones shuts down your body's production of ketones. I wonder the same thing about antioxidants (among other things) - your body produces its own antioxidants, and by supplementing it may stop producing its own (the body likes homeostasis and would react by downregulating their production).
I bought a pint of whiskey against my better judgement and kind of lost control for a night. Been taking my medication. Acknowledge what's happening helps.
IMHO the potentially offending ingredients in Keto Cuts is the sucralose. This is a sugar substitute that significantly raises blood glucose and/or insulin in SOME people. There’s also the natural and artificial flavours, which is a potential concern.
To be fair her blood sugar of 127-or whatever- is not high. I thought she mentioned that after exercise she went down in her readings anyway ( low ketones) I can’t remember which video now. My question is how safe it is to always want to be in the highest state of ketosis anyway? Or to continuously and obsessively monitor your ketones to the point that one deviation is the cause of all your mental woe’s. And why does she laugh after acknowledging she did something she was advised not to do? It’s really not funny because a lot of people are looking to these videos as life changing and the end goal is medication elimination.
I have also switched diet to primarily carnivore, dairy, eggs, etc mainly due to being affected by psoriasis - Now 1-2 months in.
Why all the sweeteners and artificial additives ?? I find my hunger much more easy to control, and I feel/see my body not reacting well to them.
So I just made a choice - an easy one actually; Avoid it if at all possible. Yes, things aren't as sweet - but sweet isn't the only taste one can enjoy.
I found that UHT treated milk/cream is much sweeter than normal pasteurized - so if coffee NEEDS to be sweet, the caramelsation during the UHT process provides that bit of extra sweetness (which is probably why so many does not like the taste of UHT milk to begin with - it's sweeter)
So do youself a favour - drop all products containing sweeteners and artificial - possibly unlisted and unknown - artificial compounds.
Thank you for going through this to help us all. I have schizophrenia and I have always been mainly paleo and mostly keto but since you started I have been eating mostly keto to see if it helps
if your tapering off your meds ...make sure tell doctor....!!
Hey Lauren, I’m so glad you’re body seems to be finding its way back to homeostasis. I think it’s telling that you found yourself slipping a bit last night, but getting back on the routine seems to have nipped it in the bud.
I’m just wondering if you can maybe share more daily mean info and especially how you measure out your macros. I struggle a lot with my own brain chemistry (different challenge), but I want to go back on Keto (it was helpful but not sustainable last time). I am not great at staying organized, so it’s challenging to try to make sure everything is balanced. Being able to try what you try would make it a bit easier to follow. Plus, I’m in your region, so I can probably buy the same products you do (yay). ❤️
Oh. Ha. Your video prior to this looks to be exactly what I asked more. Sorry! More of those, plz!
I’m so happy you are trying keto. The establishment medical community is so stuck in the past and chooses to ignore the millions of people benefiting from keto or carnivore. They are so resistant to any sort of change. I’ve followed you for a long time and seen some of the dramatic lows in your life and when you were trying keto I was so hopeful and praying you benefit from it. I just want you to be well forever whether that is from keto, your meds or a combination of both. Just stick to diet keto and not any extra crap. All the on store keto snacks and supplements are not good.
The established medical community has produced a number of studies that verifies this diet to be quite effective, for some, at significantly improving symptoms.
This is why it tasted so sweet. Sucralose which is in your drink is derived from sugar through a multi-step manufacturing process that selectively substitutes three atoms of chlorine for three hydroxyl groups on the sugar molecule. This change produces a sweetener that has no calories, yet is 600 times sweeter than sucrose.
glad you are feeling better now, stay well 💚
I've been struggling with schizophrenia for 3 years and not one med put me into remission. I don't know who needs to hear this but I started taking them yesterday and immediately, all my brain fog, all my anxieties, all my delirium, all of my symptoms are so negligible that I believe this is going to be permanent so long as I take them with my Seroquel and Prozac every day.
For help with schizophrenia:
Vitamins B6,B12
Mushroom complex(reishi extract, cordyceps extract, lions mane extract)
Omega-3
Take these once a day and issues with memory, anxiety, general brain and heart health.
Also COVID causes vitamin b deficiencies as well and I think that's why there's so many mental health conditions attached to COVID.
Artificial sweeteners don’t have calories, but your stomach has “taste buds” sort of. And it can taste sweetness, even in the absence of normal sugar carbohydrates. When your stomach tastes sweetness, it prepares your digestive system for carb digestion processes. So it sorta makes sense it pulled your digestive system away from ketogenic digestion.
Thanks for sharing, I hope you're doing better
My son do keto/carnivore. We he cheat (bread or processed food) I can notice the difference very quickly. Hope more people can stick to keto for healing purposes
I consumed an extra serving of caffeine today due to the colder weather and experienced an unwanted reaction just a short while ago. Fortunately it didnt last long and realized what a unpleasant effect it had on me. Still need to titrate. Thanks Rob and Lauren for sharing your experiences. 👍
Please do be careful. You are walking on a fine line and doing it well!❤😊
Pre mixes of anything are subject to additional ingredients, like many others said sucralose is in it. I'd always go with a pure chemical (keytone) and a scale, then mix it yourself, if you ever try to do this again. Sorry this happened.
Lauren, how's your blinking side effect with the medical keto diet/ lowered medication? This whole process is amazing and significant, and I thank you for documenting it all
Thanks!
Medical doctor here - I would imagine this was caused by the artificial sweetener causing a large insulin spike. Not sure how this lowered ketosis but it would make sense if the body "thought" it was getting a large influx of sugar.
Respectfully and I apologize if I came across negative with my last post . I have mental health problems for 40 + years . I looked for every option possible about not having to live on these meds all my life. Only in the past 4 years my pcp did a DNA test that checked if the meds I was on work based on my DNA. A few did not completely match . They slowly got me off those that didn't match , and I felt and still feel so much better. I'm still on 3 meds a day . I also tried to take a multi vitamin every day and it set off anxiety and more than usual negative thoughts. I'm happy you were able to reduce the amount of medication, but sometimes the true facts are we need helpers that other's people don't need. I eat healthy foods and fruits and vegetables. No fast foods or caffeine or smoking or drinking . Please be safe and careful, and always listen to your heart . It's OK not to be ok, but you and your husband are enough together. Thanks for trying different ways to improve your health and lives with healthy foods, but the chemicals imbalances happen and that's life for us living with mental illness.
Just to say I’ve tried other brands of ketones and they’ve raised my levels quickly to 4 or above according to the keto mojo, so some of them definitely work. I like the brand Real Ketones. Not that you need them.
I’m so glad this diet is working for you!!
That non-medical ingredients list including 'Natural and Artificial Flavors' looks scary to me.
People have had incredible results with elimination diets, strict carnivore diets being an increasing popular example. While some stick with such diets for years, even a lifetime. A number of people gradually reintroduce foods into their diets. Reintroduced foods often surprise people, discovering that seemingly healthy foods cause them issues, or that they can now tolerate foods that used to be problematic.
Food can be your medicine and/or poison. I'd be especially weary of processed foods.
Wish you all the best on your journey.
Everytime i get a psychosis, i get worse. My brain takes damages, i can’t do the same as before, and my symptoms worsens. Is that just me? Maybe I should say, that i have epilepsy aswell and my brain may actually get braindamage every time
It's not just you at all.
what do you mean by psychosis? It's a very broad definition.
@@kevinroy1736 total loss of reality
I use to run ultra marathons, hike 100+ km ultra hikes, run 6 times a week. Now i am having a hard time leaving my House, the neorolagist are saying i probably have a damageds nervous system, and i can barely feel music anymore. (Relapsed in 2020)
You reminded me of the cooking channel: Victoria's Keto Kitchen, because she has epilepsy too. She's said that the diet prevents her seizures extremely effective. I'm going to mix up one of her baking flour blends today and see if it works for popovers. It worked fine for biscuits and scones.
my sisters loser bf broke up with her and she has stopped taking her meds. Wonder what kind of ride we're in for this time.
Hi Lauren, could you do an in-depth video on how to do the medical keto diet for those who are interested?
Hoping all is well and back to ketogenic normal. Worried about you.