I have both the 770 and the 1770, had the 770 for 5 years, great sound for the price, but for me the 1770 is a solid step up and a better headphone. The mid bass kicks alot harder, more details, and more refined treble, while the 770 has more airy treble. Not only music, but in gaming there is so much more punch in games like Battlefield, and more details, easier to hear footsteps etc. But they need some EQ, and a decent sound card, dac/amp.
I'm long time 770 user too. I've used 1990 and Ananda before 1770 as well. To me 1770 sounded very bad compared to other 3. I felt like mids and highs are recessed, no air and constant bass. Bass felt good when it comes to explosions in games/movies but that 770's air and room/soundstage quality was missing. It sounded very off with music as well.
@@musicxxa6678 Hey bro, I like to listen to a lot of electronic music, especially goa trance which doesn't have insane bass but has lots of psychedelic melodies, I'm thinking in getting the 770, what's your opinion?
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I actually prefer the looks of 770's over the newer 1770's. The "all black" look is cool, but there's just something cool aesthetically about the OG grey pads on the 770. Maybe I'm just tired of seeing almost every headphone come out with black cups/pads these days. They both look great though.
really did not like the 1770s (they went back to the shop). The sound balance was terrible and the bass is way too heavy. Also clarity in the 770s was much better. Save yourself some money and stick with the good old 770s that have stood the test of time.
I am kind of in a similar position. Only thing I did prefer about the DT 1770 over the 770, is the detail retrieval and a slightly more full-bodied sound, and also, the quality of the bass slam in certain scenarios. I do agree though that the bass can be a bit too much at times. I have been using the DT 1770 Pros on and off for a year or so, and at the time, I did A-B test both of these headphones together. I am going to try the 770s again, as I don't think I can justify the price of the 1770s for what you get in return. Did you use Chronos eq?
I have the DT1770’s and also the Hifiman Aryas and the Fii0 FH7 iems. The Aryas are perfection, the FH7s great fun but if I’m listening to hard, fast rock (eg Sonic Youth - dirty boots / mote) the the DT1770s are my choice. They bash you with the bass and treble and make sure you know you’re alive. They definitely have a place for the right listener.
Waiting for DT 1770 Pro, and Topping D30 Pro. I think these and my Topping A30 Pro (siCk) will be great friends. Headphones Wednesday, D30 Pro September 2nd. Fun. What are you powering these with? You need a solid hp amp to get 250 ohm phones to reach their sonic potential.
To be honest I would never get these, even being a big fan and user of Beyer cans. For this price I would probably get entry level planars or something else. I've been using DT770 pro 80 and 250 ohm for more than 15 years with Sennheiser 600's & Dan Clark Closed X in between. That is my permanent trio since around 2005. I believe the dt770 Pro's to be the best closed headphones under $500 easily. The soundstage is unreal. Also, with a bit of EQing, you can shape that gorgeous, natural spacious hi res sound to a more "flattened" sonic shape if you so choose. Great channel !
My biggest complaint about the 1770 pro is the cable, by god it has the weakest, noisiest, most flimsy connector construction ever. It's the achilles heal for me, whenever I move my head I can hear it crying out, in mandarin. Everything else about the headphones are awesome, but the cable and connector is just plain terrible.
After watching your review i’m convinced you’re talking about entirely different headphones. The bass and detail on both pairs of DT 1770 pros that I have tried is crisp and phenomenally detailed with an amp capable of driving them properly. My experience and analytical comparisons are basically the opposite of yours. Very weird. Maybe some quality control issues?
3rd, my DT 1990 Pros sounded meh with my Presonus 1810C interested, with my RME fireface Ucx 2, totally amazing, so reviewer had a sub par amp, also reviewing from non professional view point
Is there a reason why gamers buy a gaming headphones instead of a high quality headphone? I'm looking at the the DT 770 pro 80 ohm as a headphone for general use such as gaming, Spotify and TH-cam videos
Usually they have more bass than studio headphones and come with mics. Higher end gaming headphones also usually have the ability to customise eq settings.
the dt770 falls right in my budget, however i can get the dt1770 for only a 100 euros more while it retails for 300 more. I have a solid amp/dac, do you guys think the extra 100 euros investment is worth it for someone who purely enjoys music?
What software should I be using to get the most out of the headphones? I've got a Rode AI-1 audio interface, just wanting to get the most out of the sound as I don't have anything to mix/balance audio and right now it sounds very flat
As for Beyer ear pads, I find that the pleather tends to become hotter after having them on awhile, compared to the velour. As for any treble problems, I find swapping the stock pads for Dekoni Hybrid a good improvement.
I think i lack some understanding of headphones terminology. From hearing your review, I get the impression that the 1770s kind of fail as studio headphones. Or am I wrong?
This is gonna be controversial... Ive had both. Get the dt770 pro 250 Ohms and don't look back. It's actually better than the dt1770 pro.. Only issue is the cable is not detachable.
@@Gamez4eveR 770 better than 1770, 1990 destroys both. 770 have bigger soundstage than both but 1990 technicality is superb. 1990 very aggressive though. 770 is like a cinema theater headphone with soundstage/room feeling, deep bass, crisp airy highs. 1990 is like a party monster. Thumps like a beast but can be overwhelming.
@@musicxxa6678 I feel like I'm gonna get the 1990s down the line, but I must get the Audioquest Nighthawk Carbons before they're sold out forever - from what I've read they're pretty much exactly what I'm looking for.
Made the step precisely from DT770 to DT1770. EQing 1770 was a real bitch... that treble peak, man... even after I got it about where I wanted, it still raises its head from time to time, especially in S-pronunciations. I EQ'd 770 and 1770 very differently, but I'm still missing 770's overall treble response which I can't achieve with 1770. The 1770 gives more detail, but sure is a hot one. I'm much more pleased with 1770's bass response. I paid ~400eur for new 1770, for the full price I wouldn't even consider them. I don't regret buying them, but they are a mixed bag.
1:57 reviewers need to stop praising some imaginary metal build or increase in build quality in the new beyer series... the cups are plastic on the new models too, so no improvement here; the headband and yokes were metal already on the dt770 anyway, so no improvement again. if anything, we now get a big weight increase (from 270g to 388g) and a huge price increase (4x) making it less comfortable than its predecessor without being more premium at all. 2:15 "beyerdynamic design is excellent and should not cause you any issues" not true. the new design has a bigger less comfortable headband that now goes inside the yoke locks, putting pressure on 2 small screws in a plastic threading! yes you read that right: plastic threadings, like in easy to wear out and let the screws loose. this part is more likely to fail than the previous design.
I can confirm both weight and the feeling way worse with the new Beyer's. They are heavy, feels smaller and stiffer on your head. Older ones are light, big and plushy.
for sound quality, the dt1990 is the best and dt1770 is the worst. dt770 and dt990 are still good with better build quality and less weight for cheaper.
@@testek3053 I currently have 990s and 1990s side by side. The only thing 1990 do better is soundstage, bass extension and mids. The 990s are more open/airy. They don’t have that scoop at around 4-5K , that 1990s do. The treble on dt990s is clearer but more subilant, after EQ-ing the treble on both of them and removing that peek, the 990s are actually more detailed for some reason. For my personal preferences, I like the more open and airy presentation of the 990s, compared to the slightly closed off, darker 1990s.
@@SugaFree2387 i own both and i've a/b tested them a lot. i can say that's not the only things dt1990 does better. new tesla driver is faster, managing more precision in the transients and more cleaner detail retrieval. also, tesla driver is more powerful, managing a better pucnh and slam. this one makes a huge difference in the result when driven with a decent amp. i agree with you that dt990 is more v-shaped so it sounds more airy and bassier out of the box (or some may say boomy and sibilant), but if you eq both you can still get air on the dt1990 without losing the benefits of bass extension and the amazing speed and slam of the tesla driver (things you can't replicate with eq).
@@testek3053 Idk that punch you’re talking about isn’t really that present to me compared to the 990s. I personally use A pads, but maybe with the B pads it’s there. In terms of power, I use a Topping A90, which should be powerful enough I think.
1990 is actually quite good but you need to be ready for it's exciting sound. 1770 is totally crap in my opinion. 770 is legendary and one of my all time favourite. Better than 1770.
Now the DT700 ProX is out, which is a mid priced set, it is probably a better bet than the 1770s or 770s. It has great sound, works with normal home studio line levels, has great build/looks and removable mini XLR connectors.
I've been comparing the 1770 pro to the new 700 Pro X, its a tough choice, I only care about how good they are for mixing/mastering. Have you found any comparison videos or tried both?
@@530pm Probably the 700s, mostly cause they’re cheaper and newer. They might come up with a new version of the 1770s in the following years too, they’ve been out since 2016. 🤷♂️
@@misflow i imagine theyll be called 2770. For now im still looking into a closed back pair to go along with my 6xx and 1990, thinking on picking up the 700 for more use case scenarios then the 1770
This is a good review. Exactly my thoughts. I like 770 way more than this and i actually shocked that DT 1990 is significantly better than this. It's like a 1 tier above headphone to me but they use same driver.
It’s more like they designed everything first for the 1990, then after, they just put the closed back on and didn’t tune the sound properly for the 1770
@@falsecatalyst3936 not true at all. 1770 is better than 770 in every way. much better sub bass extension and more detail in general. audiophile world is filled with tone deaf people it seems. not to mention 1770 has much better build quality and will last you long time, something that cheap china loving audiophiles never take into consideration. rugged build is important.
@@teemuvesala9575 I didn't make any mention of the 770? Not doubting the build quality of Beyer's 1000 series, I was just saying that they tuned the 1990 better than they did the 1770
@@zach4994 it's got the same drivers as the 990 in an 880 enclosure. They added a fleece insert thingy to dampen the treble spike so it's less V shaped.
dt1990: better sound quality, new tesla drivers, heavier, less comfortable, more expensive, lesser build quality, detachable cable. dt990: v-shaped sound quality still good but not as good as new tesla drivers, lighter, most comfortable, 4x less expensive, better build quality, non-detachable cable. both have the infamous btp though.
most Apple made products are poo. These are pro mixing headphone. like comparing wagyu steak to chicken fingers. from what i know, air pods have super boosted low end and everything sounds muddy
@@alwysz9390 Thanks.. I have a pair of DT 1770 PROs, but the need to be repaired (no sound on the left channel).. was trying to decide whether to get the APM or fix the 1770s. Your comment helped.
if you're applying EQ curves to this or any headphone without using a linear phase eq of the highest quality, you are deluding yourself, any perceived improvement in audio quality would certainly be wiped out by phase smearing present in a traditional eq, and if you can't hear that you certainly shouldn't be evaluating the quality or lack there of in headphones to begin with
I find this and the DT 1990 pro design very appealing, they have an early 20th century German industrial design look that makes me want them.
Thanks for getting to the point
Amazing review, you are really good in front of the camera, clear concise and articulate
Main issue with these cans is the price... too many great cans under that price point that are arguably just outright better.
Where is the link for eq setting?
I have both the 770 and the 1770, had the 770 for 5 years, great sound for the price, but for me the 1770 is a solid step up and a better headphone. The mid bass kicks alot harder, more details, and more refined treble, while the 770 has more airy treble. Not only music, but in gaming there is so much more punch in games like Battlefield, and more details, easier to hear footsteps etc.
But they need some EQ, and a decent sound card, dac/amp.
I'm long time 770 user too. I've used 1990 and Ananda before 1770 as well. To me 1770 sounded very bad compared to other 3. I felt like mids and highs are recessed, no air and constant bass. Bass felt good when it comes to explosions in games/movies but that 770's air and room/soundstage quality was missing. It sounded very off with music as well.
@@musicxxa6678 Hey bro, I like to listen to a lot of electronic music, especially goa trance which doesn't have insane bass but has lots of psychedelic melodies, I'm thinking in getting the 770, what's your opinion?
@@Netinterspace I recommend Fidelio X2 for it if you are ok with open back headphones.
dt770 pro or 1770 pro for gaming?
@@DrFlexit DT 1770 PRO if you have a good DAC/Soundcard and you also need to EQ it. If no DAC or a good sound card, go for the 770 80Ohm.
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I actually prefer the looks of 770's over the newer 1770's. The "all black" look is cool, but there's just something cool aesthetically about the OG grey pads on the 770. Maybe I'm just tired of seeing almost every headphone come out with black cups/pads these days. They both look great though.
Those grey velour pads were definitely an iconic look to me, shame Beyer changed its brands to the stealth black designs across the board.
Great review and probably the most fair I’ve heard. Great stuff chrono
really did not like the 1770s (they went back to the shop). The sound balance was terrible and the bass is way too heavy. Also clarity in the 770s was much better. Save yourself some money and stick with the good old 770s that have stood the test of time.
I am kind of in a similar position. Only thing I did prefer about the DT 1770 over the 770, is the detail retrieval and a slightly more full-bodied sound, and also, the quality of the bass slam in certain scenarios. I do agree though that the bass can be a bit too much at times. I have been using the DT 1770 Pros on and off for a year or so, and at the time, I did A-B test both of these headphones together. I am going to try the 770s again, as I don't think I can justify the price of the 1770s for what you get in return.
Did you use Chronos eq?
I have the DT1770’s and also the Hifiman Aryas and the Fii0 FH7 iems. The Aryas are perfection, the FH7s great fun but if I’m listening to hard, fast rock (eg Sonic Youth - dirty boots / mote) the the DT1770s are my choice. They bash you with the bass and treble and make sure you know you’re alive. They definitely have a place for the right listener.
Waiting for DT 1770 Pro,
and Topping D30 Pro. I think these and my Topping A30 Pro (siCk) will
be great friends. Headphones Wednesday, D30 Pro September 2nd.
Fun.
What are you powering these with?
You need a solid hp amp to get 250 ohm phones to reach their sonic potential.
To be honest I would never get these, even being a big fan and user of Beyer cans. For this price I would probably get entry level planars or something else.
I've been using DT770 pro 80 and 250 ohm for more than 15 years with Sennheiser 600's & Dan Clark Closed X in between. That is my permanent trio since around 2005.
I believe the dt770 Pro's to be the best closed headphones under $500 easily. The soundstage is unreal. Also, with a bit of EQing, you can shape that gorgeous, natural spacious hi res sound to a more "flattened" sonic shape if you so choose. Great channel !
My biggest complaint about the 1770 pro is the cable, by god it has the weakest, noisiest, most flimsy connector construction ever. It's the achilles heal for me, whenever I move my head I can hear it crying out, in mandarin. Everything else about the headphones are awesome, but the cable and connector is just plain terrible.
Please do a comparison with the Drop DT 177X GO
Following.
After watching your review i’m convinced you’re talking about entirely different headphones. The bass and detail on both pairs of DT 1770 pros that I have tried is crisp and phenomenally detailed with an amp capable of driving them properly. My experience and analytical comparisons are basically the opposite of yours. Very weird. Maybe some quality control issues?
I second this. The detail on the DT 1770 pro is miles better than the DT 770.
3rd, my DT 1990 Pros sounded meh with my Presonus 1810C interested, with my RME fireface Ucx 2, totally amazing, so reviewer had a sub par amp, also reviewing from non professional view point
Is there a reason why gamers buy a gaming headphones instead of a high quality headphone? I'm looking at the the DT 770 pro 80 ohm as a headphone for general use such as gaming, Spotify and TH-cam videos
Usually they have more bass than studio headphones and come with mics. Higher end gaming headphones also usually have the ability to customise eq settings.
I use the 250 ohms for gaming never go back way better and just get a cheap xlr mic set-up
I heard both and in my opinion the price is not worth it.
Couldn't hear that much of a difference.
But maybe if it's better like this haha
In germany they always go for 390€, that's about Sundara pricing.
never buy hifiman the build quality is trash and they fall apart within 2 years every time. cheap china junk.
the dt770 falls right in my budget, however i can get the dt1770 for only a 100 euros more while it retails for 300 more. I have a solid amp/dac, do you guys think the extra 100 euros investment is worth it for someone who purely enjoys music?
i'm confused he is confused which is which?
Although you admit you have no professional listening experience, your review is one of the more "professional" ones out there! Thanks a lot for that!
metal571 being a bit mild
The driver stopped working again! For the second time. After they replace it i will sell them.
Great review Chrono. Back to Mid-Fi headphones, huh?
Now I can foresee the SRH1540 review coming. 😉
Especially there is a discount on amazon now
From my own perspective i prefer it over my emu teak do you agree with me ?
Wish these were reduced in price. Especially after 6 years.
What software should I be using to get the most out of the headphones? I've got a Rode AI-1 audio interface, just wanting to get the most out of the sound as I don't have anything to mix/balance audio and right now it sounds very flat
Sonar works Id
reference
What's the name of the music playing in the background?
What is your favorite budget iem for just under 100 dollar?
Which did you ended up getting?
First?
Resolve, please review and comparison of DT1770Pro with DT177x Go.
Just picked a set up for $315.00. Schwing
Great video! Your content is high quality. Congrats! Btw, can you tell me what is the name or model of the headphone stand that you used in the video?
Use sonar works to calibrate
As for Beyer ear pads, I find that the pleather tends to become hotter after having them on awhile, compared to the velour.
As for any treble problems, I find swapping the stock pads for Dekoni Hybrid a good improvement.
Great review and thanks for posting. But what the f--k's 'pleather' ...lol funny way to pronounce 'plastic' !
It is Plastic Leather, Pleather!
@@lundsweden.... Lol...there's no such thing. It's basically plastic given a bullshit name. There is no leather involvement whatsoever!
700
I think i lack some understanding of headphones terminology. From hearing your review, I get the impression that the 1770s kind of fail as studio headphones. Or am I wrong?
Does anyone know the background music in the beginning?
new mic?
This is gonna be controversial... Ive had both. Get the dt770 pro 250 Ohms and don't look back. It's actually better than the dt1770 pro.. Only issue is the cable is not detachable.
Not controversial at all. I think I've never seen anybody who had both say that the 1770 are better than the 770.
What do you find to be better on the 770? I'm looking to get my first Beyer's and I can go up to a 1990. I have an HD560S.
@@Gamez4eveR 770 better than 1770, 1990 destroys both. 770 have bigger soundstage than both but 1990 technicality is superb. 1990 very aggressive though. 770 is like a cinema theater headphone with soundstage/room feeling, deep bass, crisp airy highs. 1990 is like a party monster. Thumps like a beast but can be overwhelming.
@@musicxxa6678 thumps like a beast is the reason why i enjoy my dt1990 so much!
@@musicxxa6678 I feel like I'm gonna get the 1990s down the line, but I must get the Audioquest Nighthawk Carbons before they're sold out forever - from what I've read they're pretty much exactly what I'm looking for.
Made the step precisely from DT770 to DT1770. EQing 1770 was a real bitch... that treble peak, man... even after I got it about where I wanted, it still raises its head from time to time, especially in S-pronunciations.
I EQ'd 770 and 1770 very differently, but I'm still missing 770's overall treble response which I can't achieve with 1770. The 1770 gives more detail, but sure is a hot one. I'm much more pleased with 1770's bass response.
I paid ~400eur for new 1770, for the full price I wouldn't even consider them. I don't regret buying them, but they are a mixed bag.
1:57 reviewers need to stop praising some imaginary metal build or increase in build quality in the new beyer series... the cups are plastic on the new models too, so no improvement here; the headband and yokes were metal already on the dt770 anyway, so no improvement again. if anything, we now get a big weight increase (from 270g to 388g) and a huge price increase (4x) making it less comfortable than its predecessor without being more premium at all.
2:15 "beyerdynamic design is excellent and should not cause you any issues" not true. the new design has a bigger less comfortable headband that now goes inside the yoke locks, putting pressure on 2 small screws in a plastic threading! yes you read that right: plastic threadings, like in easy to wear out and let the screws loose. this part is more likely to fail than the previous design.
+1
I can confirm both weight and the feeling way worse with the new Beyer's. They are heavy, feels smaller and stiffer on your head. Older ones are light, big and plushy.
I’ll be honest, I’ve always thought that the 770s 80ohm and dt990s were better that 1770 and 1990.
for sound quality, the dt1990 is the best and dt1770 is the worst. dt770 and dt990 are still good with better build quality and less weight for cheaper.
@@testek3053 I currently have 990s and 1990s side by side. The only thing 1990 do better is soundstage, bass extension and mids. The 990s are more open/airy. They don’t have that scoop at around 4-5K , that 1990s do. The treble on dt990s is clearer but more subilant, after EQ-ing the treble on both of them and removing that peek, the 990s are actually more detailed for some reason. For my personal preferences, I like the more open and airy presentation of the 990s, compared to the slightly closed off, darker 1990s.
@@SugaFree2387 i own both and i've a/b tested them a lot. i can say that's not the only things dt1990 does better. new tesla driver is faster, managing more precision in the transients and more cleaner detail retrieval. also, tesla driver is more powerful, managing a better pucnh and slam. this one makes a huge difference in the result when driven with a decent amp.
i agree with you that dt990 is more v-shaped so it sounds more airy and bassier out of the box (or some may say boomy and sibilant), but if you eq both you can still get air on the dt1990 without losing the benefits of bass extension and the amazing speed and slam of the tesla driver (things you can't replicate with eq).
@@testek3053 Idk that punch you’re talking about isn’t really that present to me compared to the 990s. I personally use A pads, but maybe with the B pads it’s there. In terms of power, I use a Topping A90, which should be powerful enough I think.
1990 is actually quite good but you need to be ready for it's exciting sound. 1770 is totally crap in my opinion. 770 is legendary and one of my all time favourite. Better than 1770.
I think I want these headphones for just movie watching and listening to music.
Now the DT700 ProX is out, which is a mid priced set, it is probably a better bet than the 1770s or 770s. It has great sound, works with normal home studio line levels, has great build/looks and removable mini XLR connectors.
I've been comparing the 1770 pro to the new 700 Pro X, its a tough choice, I only care about how good they are for mixing/mastering. Have you found any comparison videos or tried both?
@@misflow which one would you choose if only one
@@530pm Probably the 700s, mostly cause they’re cheaper and newer. They might come up with a new version of the 1770s in the following years too, they’ve been out since 2016. 🤷♂️
@@misflow i imagine theyll be called 2770. For now im still looking into a closed back pair to go along with my 6xx and 1990, thinking on picking up the 700 for more use case scenarios then the 1770
@@530pm I thought the 700's sounded closed in and boring compared to 1770.
Metal 571 Edition 🤔
This is a good review. Exactly my thoughts. I like 770 way more than this and i actually shocked that DT 1990 is significantly better than this. It's like a 1 tier above headphone to me but they use same driver.
It’s more like they designed everything first for the 1990, then after, they just put the closed back on and didn’t tune the sound properly for the 1770
@@falsecatalyst3936 not true at all. 1770 is better than 770 in every way. much better sub bass extension and more detail in general. audiophile world is filled with tone deaf people it seems. not to mention 1770 has much better build quality and will last you long time, something that cheap china loving audiophiles never take into consideration. rugged build is important.
@@teemuvesala9575 I didn't make any mention of the 770? Not doubting the build quality of Beyer's 1000 series, I was just saying that they tuned the 1990 better than they did the 1770
@@falsecatalyst3936 not on my opinion... 1770 sounds much like closed back 1990.
@@teemuvesala9575 well sound is subjective, so if you feel like it’s good, then it’s good
How does this compare to the DT 990 pros? I have a few friends with these and I was looking for something with less of a v-shaped curve.
Have a look at the Beyerdynamic TYGRs
@@Farpun Hmm, never knew that they had a gaming brand, neat!
@@zach4994 it's got the same drivers as the 990 in an 880 enclosure. They added a fleece insert thingy to dampen the treble spike so it's less V shaped.
dt1990: better sound quality, new tesla drivers, heavier, less comfortable, more expensive, lesser build quality, detachable cable. dt990: v-shaped sound quality still good but not as good as new tesla drivers, lighter, most comfortable, 4x less expensive, better build quality, non-detachable cable. both have the infamous btp though.
I would like to know how the 1770 Pros compare to the Apple AirPods Max in SQ
most Apple made products are poo. These are pro mixing headphone. like comparing wagyu steak to chicken fingers. from what i know, air pods have super boosted low end and everything sounds muddy
@@alwysz9390 Thanks.. I have a pair of DT 1770 PROs, but the need to be repaired (no sound on the left channel).. was trying to decide whether to get the APM or fix the 1770s. Your comment helped.
@@wakkowarner9522 actually just bought my 1770s and i love them. if you can , def fix your beyerdynamics 100% worth
air pods are garbage
if you're applying EQ curves to this or any headphone without using a linear phase eq of the highest quality, you are deluding yourself, any perceived improvement in audio quality would certainly be wiped out by phase smearing present in a traditional eq, and if you can't hear that you certainly shouldn't be evaluating the quality or lack there of in headphones to begin with