Dune: Part Two (2024) | BOOK READER FIRST TIME REACTION & REVIEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- Manny and Fabio react to and discuss Dune: Part Two (2024)!
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First off - thank you all for watching!
A bit of a disclaimer for anyone staying to watch the post-discussion: after reading the discussion in this thread, I'm seeing certain things in a new light and I've more or less backtracked on the idea of the prophecy/Lisan al Gaib as being "real" or legitimate. Keep in mind I never read past Dune 1 so I don't have the added context of what comes after, but I'm willing to admit I'm one of those people who "drank the Kool-Aid" and bought into the idea of the legend being real. While I didn't necessarily view Paul as this benevolent hero or savior, I did lean towards the liberation of the Fremen people as an overall good thing. So I think I bought into the idea of the story being about fighting for the freedom of one's people and standing up against the corruption of government/world powers.
If anything, the prophecy ended up being self-fulfilling.
In fairness, I never said I saw it as a good thing, since the destruction and war that Paul had foreseen ended up being inevitable (and the film really leaned into that idea). I did think Paul's warpath and desire for revenge was supposed to be seen in a negative light. Dune as a tragic cautionary tale makes complete sense (but I can see how many would come away with the wrong idea, myself included), and Denis' writing choices in this film really highlight that. I can't wait to read Dune Messiah.
Ever watch the 4k fan edit of the 80s version? Edit by spicediver. Would love to see your views on it (forgiving the old graphics, but they did what they could at the time)
@@thinkbeyond3457I never sat down and watched it start to finish, but I have seen a fair bit through clips of certain key scenes. Wasn't a fan unfortunately, and I say that as a pretty big David Lynch fan (tbf even he wasn't proud of it).
@ChannelNamePending699 That fan edit includes all deleted and even raw unfinished scenes they could find to compile it into a much longer and complete movie (for example, the extration of the water of life scene that wasn't in the theatrical cut). Not saying it can compete with these new movies but I still enjoy it (other than the Roblox combat shield graphics 🤣)
@@thinkbeyond3457Maybe I'll give it another shot! The edit does sound promising. I do remember liking the casting of Kyle MacLachlan as Paul, having been a big fan or him in Twin Peaks. He was definitely the best part of the movie for me.
Like the reaction, but your playback box for the film is way small.
“Every two minutes there’s a screensaver-worthy shot.” I’m pretty sure I said the same thing after seeing it opening night lol best way to sum up this masterpiece.
Agreed! 😊
I made the shot with Paul in his black cloak and the worm breaching in the background my computer Lock Screen.
@@Roach_Dogg_JR that’s my favorite shot of the movie. Can’t find one that’s high res to make my wallpaper though.. where’d you find it? Lol
Probably the best movie ive seen for that "Every Frame A Painting" aspect is The Lighthouse by Robert Eggers. You can legitimately skip to any point in the movie and you have a beautiful short worthy of framing and hanging on your wall. It's insane.
@@Shmotivated I took a full screen screenshot of the trailer on TH-cam at max quality (it’s in the trailer for a fraction of a second). It’s not perfect but the shot is very blurry/out of focus anyway so it doesn’t look to bad imo.
On a side note I love how the wind is blowing Paul’s cloak, and how the Sandworm “breaches” and turns downward in the same direction, it creates a very nice horizontal symmetry, almost like they are mirroring each other. It really add some subtle feeling of just… badassery.
11:33 I love that there’s a moment of silence and then you hear Chani laughing just before the ornithopter crashes.
IKR!? Absolutely amazing
Yes. They're a couple of happy kids at that moment.
51:59 "I feel like I need to...think..about..life."
Couldn't relate to this thought more after watching this film for the first time 😂
The arena scene was shot on black-and-white infrared to give the effect of what Geidi Prime's black sun would look like visually, and to suggest that this stark lighting situation would probably have on all inhabitants of that world psychologically.
Man I did think the contrast was way too harsh to be just grayscale, infrared cameras makes way more sense. Really smart way to portray a world under a black sun, props to Denis (or whoever came up with that idea).
I love how Denis makes the world of Dune feel relatable by keeping the set designs simple, using mostly lighting to emphasize his characters. This makes the story feel grounded in both the future and the past in a way that I see certain reminders of Earth history and cultures (ancient Egypt, Spain, Asia, etc.).
"Rabban is not having a good time" could be an alternate tagline for this movie 😂
8:18 Both that smile and the shy gesture just gave out so much excitement and relatable rapture. True fan there.
The old Reverend Mother scene has the right energy, it's just done in way you would expect it to be as a reader.
I had to try REALLY hard to not just gush about everything we were seeing and accidentally spoil things for Fabio. My friend Josh, who has read the series, was sitting off to the side though and you might have noticed I kept looking at him like, "you seeing this shit?" 😂
Christopher Walken became Christopher Kneelin
Herbert wrote Dune with very much the "false prophet" idea, after the book came out he was dissapointed that most people didn't get what he intended, so he doubled down on it writing "Messiah".
This! Im dabbling with the audiobook for Dune Messiah at the moment just to get a glimpse of what we may see to come in a third installment from Denis. It's fascinating.
@@Musabre don't think it will be that similar tbh
@@jaredloveys9617 No but i expect some story beats to essentially be the same overrall. Im excited to see what they do with it, for real.
At the end of the book he fulfilled his promise and gave the green paradise
The reveal of Alia about had me in tears in the theater. Denis knows what he's doing. That was for the fans of the books. 33:38
It's hard to tell but I was a little emotional when they showed her. I know that portraying her the way she was in the book would've been impossible, but I really appreciate that they included that scene, at least to give us *something*.
In the book, he was 15 when he joined the Freman. He then spent three years with them so by the time he confronted the Emperor, he was 18. The movie compresses all of that into a very short time frame. I understand why in the narrative of the story that Denis made that decision.
It's probably mentioned by others, but Denis' change for Chani was so that we could have some sort of push back to Paul. Chani being a 'relatively' minor character in the book, not really having much to do , was co-opted to serve as our eyes and our viewpoint of Paul's journey. It's a common movie trick really to co opt characters or combine them to provide a neater screenplay. The book is obviously quite dense and a nightmare to turn into one film (lookin at you david lynch haha).
Personally I LOVE Zendaya as Chani, her acting in this was subtle brilliance. So much conveyed in simple facial expressions and glances. That last scene with paul and the final scenes are honestly heartbreaking and tragic in context of what's happened and what is now to come.
Cheers!
Yeah in hindsight the changes to Chani's character made for a far more compelling arc. I'm excited to see what happens with her in the next film.
The Worm appearing in theaters was an absolute experience.
It's still in IMAX, it's worth a second viewing. Also, the shot's at the gladiator arena were shot in infrared or something, representing Geidi Prime's black sun.
Great reaction, and I loved the discussion afterwards. It's been a rare treat to find these Dune reactions with a person that has read the books; and even better alongside with a person who hasn't which leads to a great conversation describing the contrasts between the films and book.
HIGHLY recommend seeing this in Dolby or IMAX if you can. I saw it once in each and couldn't wait for it to come out. 11/10
the experience of watching in iMAX is amazing, unforgettable, you leave the cinema feeling sad because the film is over
Oh, in the book, the prophecy about the Lisan al-Gaib was planted by the Bene Gesserit (Missionara Protectiva) as well; by giving more agency to the Fremen and showing the whole thing from Chani's perspective, they just made it more clear in the movie. Btw, the Kwisatz Haderach (the real product of the BG breeding program) is not the same as the Lisan al-Gaib (the "fake Messiah" figure)
I thought they were the same? The BG have been spreading that fake prophecy on every planet (on Arrakis this figure is the Lisan Al Gaib) for thousands of years and then secretly trying to create this very messiah themselves that they’ll control through a secretive breeding programme (Kwisatz Haderach) and then when he arrives all the peoples of the universe where they’ve spread this fake prophecy will see him as their messiah and the BG will basically control the known universe with him on the throne
Great point. Kwisatz Haderach is a genetic experiment; lisan al-gaib is a social engineering experiment. Both by the BG, but with subtly different consequences.
the greyscale on giede prime was filmed in infrared because of the “black sun” referenced at the beginning of the scene. If a white star emits visible light within the color spectrum, then a black star would absorb the colors, not emit them.
Genius. 🔥
The black and white part was actually filmed in infrared. This is why the skin looks a bit translucent.
Denis Villeneuve wanted to convey Frank Herbert's warning about a charismatic leader, which a lot of readers of the first book missed. In the book, Chani is almost in the shadow, just following whatever Paul does. But, in the movie, Chani is used as some sort of resistance in order to show the danger of Paul and religious fanaticism to the audience. The next movie will conclude Paul's arc. After Dune Part 2 came out, some people thought the movie had a white savior narrative. But, that is the exact opposite of what the movie is about. Paul is no savior.
After reading Dune, while I didn't necessarily view Paul as this benevolent hero or savior, I did lean towards the liberation of the Fremen people as an overall good thing. So I think I bought into the idea of the story being about fighting for the freedom of one's people and standing up against the corruption of government/world powers. I did think Paul's warpath and desire for revenge was supposed to be seen in a negative light though. Dune as a cautionary tales makes complete sense (but I can see how many would come away with the wrong idea, myself included), and Denis' writing choices in this film really highlight that. I can't wait to read Dune Messiah.
I love seeing people watch this movie! You guys are great, I could see you getting pumped and it’s like I’m watching it again for the first time. Good job boys, glad you enjoyed it too 👍
Hey Manny, I definitely recommend reading the second book (Messiah) before the third movie comes out. Herbert's main motivation for the second book was that fans in the 1970s were misunderstanding the Paul Atreides arc as a hero's journey, when in fact it's a tragic cautionary tale about misplaced faith in saviors/cult leaders. And from what Villeneuve has said in interviews, he's very much leaning into this aspect of the story (main reason Chani was so different from the original book). And since the whole story in the first place is an allegory for western powers fighting to control oil in the middle east (meaning Fremen are stand-ins for Saudi Bedouins -- meaning their religion is a stand-in for Islam) there could be some controversy to be stirred up if any director of a western film went that direction with it. Notice how the word "jihad" never appeared in either film, even though it did many times in the book.
Thank you for this comnent, that puts lots of things a whole new light for me. After reading Dune, while I didn't necessarily view Paul as this benevolent hero or savior, I did lean towards the liberation of the Fremen people as an overall good thing. So I think I bought into the idea of the story being about fighting for the freedom of one's people and standing up against the corruption of government/world powers. I did think Paul's warpath and desire for revenge was supposed to be seen in a negative light though. Dune as a cautionary tales makes complete sense (but I can see how many would come away with the wrong idea, myself included), and Denis' writing choices in this film really highlight that. I can't wait to read Dune Messiah.
@@ChannelNamePending699 Manny, Jezus man, you totally nailed the central theme of the political problem Villeneuve has right now -- you got this really fast, I'm impressed. A Hollywood problem indeed. The liberation of the Fremen is a "good thing" and resonates with the reader, you felt it, just like I felt it in the early '80s when I read it. But what happens if today the "Fremen" are the very people who flew planes into the World Trade Center 46 years after this book was published? And 20 years before these movies were made? What do we do with that? And by extension, what does Hollywood do with it? Nobody with money wants any living person to make that connection, least of all you and me. But they do want us to keep going to the movies, don't they. I think these films are the best things to happen to SciFi since Star Wars. But there's some shit we have to own along the way. And I think you're smart enough to get it. Thanks for the reacting channel -- most are full of morons, and I'm glad to meet you brother.
My interpretation of Denis way to handle the importance of water through part 1&2 is that he shows it to us through the eyes of the Atreides. Easing it in as an experience more then bonking our heads with it, and I personally can appreciate this where the previous watch gives the rerun another experience. Replay value++.
I talked about that a bit in my review of Dune 1, how we are viewing the Fremen though the Atreides perspective and and so the importance of water is still a really new concept for them. I did appreciate that that theme was more emphasized in Dune 2.
I do think another way part two emphasizes water's importance is another visual way (a lot of it is visual, not explained in exposition) ...but it's when you see Alia as an adult, and she's on Arrakis: but she's on a beach. It contrasts back to when Paul tells Chani that rain falls from the sky on Caladan & everywhere she sees sand, it's like an ocean of water...and she just cannot picture it. So then in the vision of the future, where in the near future Alia is on a terraformed Arrakis where there's maybe an entire ocean....that is powerful to me.
In the novel, the prophecy is implanted as well over generations, even centuries. So, yes, it's like the book in being a question of how much the prophecy is self-fulfilling for the sisterhood to engineer a superbeing, and how much is propaganda.
"drinking the cool-aid", Denis talked about how he tried to honor Frank Herbert's original plan for Dune which was to warn against charismatic messiah figures. Apparently Frank was annoyed that people didn't interpret it the way he intended, instead seeing Paul as a saviour figure, a hero, etc.
I've read that he wrote Dune Messiah, the sequel, to double down on the idea that Paul is a warning, rather than a hero to celebrate.
Denis Villeneuve has also talked about how his changes and adaptations are actually quite jarring for himself to get used to, as he's a mega fan of the books, but Movies gotta Movie so, stuff has to get altered. :) At least he's honest about it, can respect that.
After reading Dune, while I didn't necessarily view Paul as this benevolent hero or savior, I did lean towards the liberation of the Fremen people as an overall good thing. So I think I bought into the idea of the story being about fighting for the freedom of one's people and standing up against the corruption of government/world powers. I did think Paul's warpath and desire for revenge was supposed to be seen in a negative light though. Dune as a cautionary tales makes complete sense (but I can see how many would come away with the wrong idea, myself included), and Denis' writing choices in this film really highlight that. I can't wait to read Dune Messiah.
@@ChannelNamePending699 Ive been dipping into the audibook of Messiah lately as im so impatiant to know what happens next, but part of me wants to wait for denis' version first for maximum surprise haha. I can say it's brilliant stuff regardless.
@@MusabreI first read Dune in like 2016 and then reread it in anticipation for Part 2. I kinda wish I hadn’t. I found myself comparing the movie to the book too much (at least with the first viewing- I’ve seen it 4 more times and I’m fully onboard with the movie now). That being said, I think I might hold off on reading Messiah until I’ve seen the next movie because I’d really like to go in blind this time and then read it. But then again the movie is probably at least 4 years away and I don’t know if I can wait that long lol
@@YVLIVS It's a tough call to make haha. Im a few chapters in but i i think im more than likely to leave it til Denis' version is done first like you say.
This from someone who read the lord of the rings between movies 2 and 3, spoiling the grand ending for myself like an idiot xD
I loved watching you watch and comment on this movie. Just an FYI: Denis revealed in Dune Part One interviews he restrained Timothee from being full on Maud'Dib. He diminished a lot of Paul's abilities because he wanted Paul in Part Two to have a steep arc. When they got the green light for Part Two Denis texted Timothee with "It's Maud'Dib time." Can't wait for Part Three to see what surprises Denis has for these characters.
That's amazing and pretty funny. I too am super stoked to see how Denis adapts the characters for part 3. I know it wont match the book entirely, but that's part of the fun with movie adaptations i think :)
It definitely shows - the change in Paul is so dramatic between films one and two, and Timothee's more subdued performance in Dune 1 only makes his presence and energy in Dune 2 that much more impactful.
The best reaction I've seen so far
The prophecy is a fabrication of the Bene Gesserit. Paul has real powers because he is the Kwisatz Haderch, the result of the BG breeding program but he is not a divine messiah. He ends up pretending that he is this messianic figure because that is the only way to use Fremen fanaticism as a weapon to defeat his enemies. But the terrible consequence of this choice is the triggering of this Holy War that Paul wanted to avoid and which will make him a more bloodthirsty tyrant than his enemies.
Dune is a cautionary tale against charismatic leaders and messianic figures. One line from the book sums up well what is at the heart of the story of the tragedy of Paul's story - No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero.
Furthermore, most of the film's changes from the novel aim to adapt for a visual medium Paul's inner conflict, which is the main conflict of the story (between Paul's humanity and his terrible purpose which leads to the Holy War). In the book this conflict is mainly in Paul's internal monologues. The film depicts the conflict by the characters of Chani, Stilgar and Jessica and the North-South division between Fremens.
Excellent summary.
High key, go to your local theater on a weekday. Split the bill with a few friends or a group, and rent out a theater for the day. Worth it, I think usually it’s not to expensive to rent out a theater in most places. I would wager you could do a double header if it’s a place that serves food and do dune part 1&2 back to back (obv call ahead)
I saw it four times in theaters. Twice in imax twice at a larger than regular screen more premium theater in my area. It’s so damn good. That scene in the war council, as soon as he shows up on the worm that whole thing is just mint. Pure cinema. It is still playing here and I hope it will for awhile (poor things played until beginning on April here on weekends so I have hopes)
In the book the prophesy is absolutely not real.
It was created and spread by the Missionaria Protectiva, a group of ancient bene gesserit who seeded superstitions across the galaxy to help future bene gesserit in whatever their goals might be. In the book, Jessica ruminates about the ancient woman who must have given up everything for her benefit, a woman she'd never know, thousands of years in the future. What might be mixing you up, is that the bene gesserit are trying to create a Kwisatz Haderach, someone who can see the future and guide humanity, like Paul. This isn't prophesy either, they're literally making it happen with their breeding program, its a science to them. The Missionaria Protectiva knew that the subject of the Lisan Al-Gaib prophesy and the result of the Kwisatz Haderach plan would be the same person (I think), since the prophesy refers to a young man and his bene gesserit mother, and bene gesserit only very selectively have male children, and there's some other parts of the prophesies that most likely reference his limited prescience (like "he shall know your ways as if born to them"). Either way, its all constructed by the bene gesserit, no actual prophesy.
Chani is a true patriot! and her son will rule over mankind as God-Emperor for 3000 years! I love shit like this
„what do you do?“ „die?“ 😂 Love your reaction!! It was fun to watch along with you guys
It’s still out in IMAX, I’m sure you can check it out one of these weekends
The Kwisatz Haderach is a very real product of the Bene Gesserit breeding program and is not the same as the Mahdi/Lisan al Gaib (a "false messiah/prophet" figure)
You can still check out part 2 in theatres! Seeing it in the proper IMAX ratio is a completely different experience, this is like a weird cropped version
It wasn't cropped, we watched it on a TV and I just edited it down for the video. But I do have plans to see it in IMAX as soon as I can.
I just mean the aspect ratio of the non IMAX digital copy (which is the only one available currently unfortunately) is literally a cropped version compared to what they shot in the imax camera on the day. Seeing 30% extra of the worms or 30% more of the colosseum on Gedi Prime for example, definitely worth it and feels like a different experience if you can find it in imax. No critique of your video!
I was rewatching Part 1 and I recognized the guy who ordered the soldiers to turn their shield on (maybe he was a captain or lieutenant idk) when they first land on Arrakis as the last Atreides fighter against Feyd. Amazing continuity.
Lt. Lanville. Roger Yuan fight coordinator for all the sequences for both films!
@@JamesSmith-hw6tl YOOO that's amazing. Thanks for the fun fact!
27:40 the Fremen are now doing the same "disarming" spin move that Jessica used agaisnt Stilgar in part 1, a subtle way to show Jessica and Paul have been training the Fremen in the "weirding way"
Nice catch!
My son and I watched it in the fan early preview on IMAX and you could hear a pin drop on that theater when the final fight started. Two women audibly gasped “Noooo!” when he said “I’ll take the hand of your daughter.” They also left out that chani and Paul had a baby that was murdered, but with the timeline it makes sense since they definitely speed up the entire second half to avoid the Alia situation.
You have to see it in theaters for the sound alone. Loved your reaction.
Love y'all enthusiastic reaction!
And love the discussion after the movie, especially with a person who's not read the book
The weird guys in the arena are picadors. In corridas, they assist the matador by tiring the bull stabbing its back with a long pike. Same purpose here. The hook left in the slave is poisoned and therefore weakens them. That's why Feyd was angry, he wanted to fight him fair and square.
Stilgar is the master of glazing
Great reaction you're the first person who is read the book that I've seen a reaction from. And you get what's going on it's really great to watch someone just fall in love with this movie.
I agree with you the changes that they made and the things they left out fit the movie as a story. Having read the book way back in the late 70s I thought this couldn't be made into a decent movie. They tried it in 1984 and it didn't work for me. They made a miniseries out of it but the casting and the special effects were not there. And frankly it didn't feel like the book. This captures the spirit of the book.
45:12 holy shit I missed The line where Paul kills the baron, You die like an animal, Paul of course was proved human. The Baron not so. The ultimate Dume diss.
Neither Rabban nor the Baron could have passed the box test.
Feyd Rautha was an incredible character, almost had me rooting for him to win the fights.
I was definitely rooting for him versus Léa Seydoux, psycho though he was...
Watching this movie in IMAX was a totally different experience. I was completely immersed in the movie at times. The only downside to this movie is you cant watch it for the first time again.
It is being brought back to IMAX past April 19 and you live nearby LA California it’s gonna be at the AMC universal city walk .
They've started popping it off at cinemas again in the UK recently too, it's getting massive traction over here.
Another change they made was that the emperor was the one that killed Rabban. When the Baron comes in to see the emperor Rabban's head is sitting in front of him. And another change was that Paul's sister was already born in the books by the time meets the emperor, and if she kills the Baron.
Now I can't stop thinking of Spider-Man fighting Paul Atreides over Chani/MJ!😅
Of course another change that was made from book to movie is that Feyd was the one attempting to assassinate the Baron, not the other way around. The conversation that they have after the gladiatorial arena fight kind of happens in the book but after the Baron finally gets fed up with Fayd's attempts on his life.
good news, dune 2 is still in theaters!
The movie actually got it pretty close to the book with the "prophecy". It was planted by an arm of the Bene Gesserit called the Missionaria Protectiva. They did this on planets like Dune to be used if needed by the sisters so they could survive by tapping into the prophecy.
Another big difference is the time lapse versus the book and movie. It's several years of Paul disrupting spice production that draws the emperor. Paul has a son that is actually killed by the Sadekar and
Alia, Paul's sister. Is 9 years old when he attacks the emperor. So they've been on Arrakis for more than 10 years.😂
Best reaction for dune 2 right now!
Something they also gloss over in the movie versus book is the use of Lasguns. If there are Shields being used in an area and that Lasgun should come in contact with the shield there would be a thermonuclear explosion which is why they didn't use Lasguns in the desert either.
You guys were great! Keep it up!
Wonderful reaction! Hot foot it to the IMAX while you can, it’s absolutely worth it.
Paul turned Christopher Walkin into Christopher Kneelin.
this was a great movie theater experience! I wish yall could’ve seen it in theaters
It's still in theatres where I am, so I plan on seeing it next week!
@@ChannelNamePending699 yayyyy! Everyone watched in IMAX, but I watched in Dolby Atmos great experience for a great movie
56:31
You’re right…and that comes back to bite her, later down the line.
In the book the use of atomic weapons was forbidden. If one of the Houses used atomix in war they would pay a very heavy price. Paul gets around this by not using the atomics on the Harkonnens, but on the shield wall.
Frank Herbert wrote the Dune books as a WARNING to beware of leaders being propped up on pedestals in the form of religion, politics, etc, and to not become too dependent on them. After he wrote Dune, most people did not get that message and so he wrote the sequel, Dune: Messiah to portray Paul losing control of the forces he unleashed and to show that even with noble intentions, how terrible it can become and to not act like leaders are perfect and flawless.
This is a beautiful film, I think this will be a classic. very good reaction guy’s
19:01 I don’t know if you saw the 1984 movie, but the Harkonnens all had red hair in that version.
The crazy black costumed attendants in the arena on Giedi Prime are picadores, like in a bull fight, wounding the victims.
great reaction!
Something that they do in the movies, that you would never do in the books, is if you were a Harkonnen or Freman you would never use shields in the desert because it would attract the worms.
As it was written!
21:33 Austin Butler. He was in the Elvis biopic.
Yes, the Bene Gesserit in the books, just like they show in the movies, can control their bodies to the point where they can determine the sex of a child.
I personally really loved both movies but in the first movie I wish they would have left more of the entry and manipulation from the book. When you see the Saudakar floating up the side of those rocks, of course it's not in the book, but I would guess that they're using the same technology that Baron Vladimir Harkonnen uses to float. Just an FYI in case it wasn't explained well enough, Jessica was the "bound concubine" of Duke Leto not his wife, they never married.
Even wide screen tv's don't even come close. It's an injustice to watch Dune 2 other vmax
Another difference is Paul writing a worm. In Fremen kulture 12 year old children ride the worms for the first time.
I'm sad that they didn't incorporate the death of their son into the story... It would have deepend Chani and Paul relationship. I know that the timeline is shortened, but they could have make her at least have miscarriage. It would have worked great within this adaptation.
I was also disappointed they left little Leto out, but I'm not sure it would've fit with the movie's version of the story. In the book, the son's death is a big part of what leads Paul to finally accept the prophecy - and the fact that we never even meet him makes him more or less a plot device. In the film, Paul's dilemma seems to be choosing between a life with Chani or the prophecy. When he sees that potential future of Arrakis, with a fully grown Alia standing in front of the ocean, he commits to prophecy. But in doing so, he loses himself, the Paul that Chani loved, and in turn loses her.
Paul is older in the movies than the book.
Well, the book takes place over three or four years, so Paul goes from 15 to 19ish. It makes sense, given that Villeneuve shortened the timeline, for Paul to be the top end of that.
One of the interesting things is to watch the different reactions of reactors on the movie one and two Dune. Those who read the books tend to want to see the exact book on screen, and those who have never read the book are not always particularly capable of Understanding the nuances of both films. Mostly I don’t want to hear about the book during the film. Denis, Who is the fan of the books For many many years before he made these films has taken the time to mix content of the book with good filmmaking. Internal conversations cannot make a full film. It has to be a mix, and I think Denis has done a beautiful job.
Timothy C was also GREAT in "The King"...the sad part about gladiators is the majority (if not all) of them were slaves, not many people would fight to the death willingly but there is probably some🤔
In the book, Paul was with the Fremen for years. Him and Chani had a kid. And the thing that made him embrace the prophecy is that the kid got killed.
I felt that they could have done a small time jump and included that. Along with Paul’s sister.
I didn’t like that changes to Chani, and her relationship with Paul.
Other than that. It was a fantastic movie. The Feyd part was amazing.
Here’s the thing, Denis talked about how if there was a longer time jump between the death of his father the Wound wouldn’t feel as fresh for the characees
It is impossible to film a 2 year old as smart as an adult.
@@travisgray8376 she doesn't know IF the prophecy is real or not. she just believes that if there is anyone who should lead her people, it should be one of their own, not some outsider who came to ravage their land for resources without giving anything back. the prophecy existed long before both chani and paul were born and just like other religions and religious beliefs, at some point as a young person you have to choose whether you believe in these things or not. now are they real? maybe they are and maybe they arent but that is precisely why it makes sense that there are people like chani who disagree and do not believe and people like stilgar who do. its literally a mirror of our own society and world.
If you don't like the changes to Chani, you should really look up Denis' explanation why he did it. I fully agree with his reasoning. It made for a much better movie , because let's be honest here... In the book Chani has very little personality beyond "Yes, Paul". The most personality she ever showed was taking challengers on herself instead of letting Paul do it, and when she woke Paul up after he took the water of life. Two scenes that wouldn't fill more than page in 500+ page book, doesn't give her much personality.
@@Kyljys-pt4up I'm not stupid I haven't lived under a rock I know stuff I can research I can use Google I'm not uninformed like U fucks making excuses
Loved this reaction. Insightful comments, not needless talking
2:11 You should see king.
third movie coming up!
Guy on the right has a great voice for voice acting.
Really? Interesting. I never thought of Paul the way you did when I read the books. He was a very privileged, intelligent, educated, talented, and charismatic teenager, but not intimidating, especially before the water of life.That said, when your and your entire immediate family become reverend mothers, that's another beast entirely.
You're right, Paul before water of life and Paul after are almost two different people, in a way. When I think of Paul I primarily think of Paul Muad'Dib the warlord, the version of him from the end of the book that is prepared to unleash a bloody war across the galaxy in his name, who is certainly intimidating. I guess in that sense Timothée did capture the earlier innocence and privileged nature of Paul perfectly, but almost so well that I had a hard time picturing him portraying the Paul that we would come to know later.
1000 times better in VMAX or the equivalent from other theatres.
We don't have VMAX where I'm at, but we did get a chance to see it in IMAX after this!
Keep reading the books, man. It's not a supernatural universe.
do they go back to Caladan? when he says lead them to paradise?
No. He means to kill them all.
you have been pronouncing them correctly ( at least according to the arabic pronounciation ) the actors are not all pronouncing the arabic words correctly
Too many reactors do not give Paoul’s walk up the stairs to kill his grandfather its full view. it is too often edited.
Rabban is a bad boss. Stilgar is my favorite.
What digital version of the movie is this?
Amazon Prime Video
@@ChannelNamePending699 strange, my subtitles look completely different, the spelling and font is all wack on mine
Bad audio
How do you guys suck at remembering actors’ names??
Most people only know the most famous actors names like for example DiCaprio, Hanks, Pitt, Cruise, Jolie, Roberts. If you know them all congrats to you bro
Come on man, it's not a big deal, Im a total movie buff and i still brainfart over famous actors names now and then. Chill.
Celebrity brain rot lmao when watching a movie disregard the actors until the credits are finished, when the curtains close.
Nah fully they were gassing all the actors too much 😂
I like Dune part 2 and how it allowed the audience to question what was going on in the story through Paul’s resistance at first and especially through Chani. I came out of the theater extremely disliking Jessica, distrusting Paul and siding with Chani. I am interested to see what will be portrayed in a part 3 and what my takeaway will be from the story portrayed