LA Drivers Hate Tesla Autopilot on the Model Y
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- Putting Tesla’s Autopilot to the ultimate test in my Model Y: Bad Los Angeles Drivers! LA drivers are notoriously bad. They drive fast, get distracted easily, and are always trying to get everywhere faster than everyone else. Tesla’s Autopilot is cautious, and sometimes feels like a student driver, so how does it stack up?
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I recently got the Full Self Driving or FSD update for my Tesla Model Y and Tesla Autopilot. Today, I’m putting it to the test. I drove across Los Angeles going from East LA to West LA with the purpose of putting Navigate on Autopilot to the test.
Tesla advertises Navigate on Autopilot as having the ability to drive you from freeway onramp to offramp all on its own. It has its quirks, but overall this feature does a great job with Auto Lane Changing doing especially well.
In this video I walk you through some of the good edge cases and the bad edge cases that I experience in my drives with Tesla Autopilot in LA.
You’ll see times when the Model Y does Phantom Braking. Times when the Model Y takes merges incredibly slow and angers drivers behind and around me. Also, there are a couple really close calls where Autopilot nearly gets in an accident, and I take over entirely. I’m glad it wasn’t an accident in one of those “Autopilot Accident” videos, and overall I’m glad that in general, Autopilot seems to do incredibly well.
Tesla’s Full Self Driving package includes:
Auto Lane Change
Autopark
Navigate on Autopilot
Recognize and Respond to Traffic Lights and Stop Signs
Summon
And soon: Autosteer on City Streets.
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Good video. But I think you (and most people to be honest) spend to much time worrying about what the car is doing when it comes to distance in relation to other vehicles. Specifically side distances. The car is processing data at a rate that is impossible for a human to even come close to. Roughly 250fps that's one every 4 milliseconds. People have a typical reaction time of about 250 milliseconds possibly 200 with a Adrenalin spike. The car sees a frame to frame to frame change in 8 milliseconds. Say it takes another 20 or so to process a reaction. It is still at least 5 or 6 times faster than a human. My point? I would trust the car more than most humans.
At 2:04 the Orange truck swerves slightly into the lane. The autopilot picked that up but you didn't. This is why it is better than a human.
It looks like an Antifa thug with a can of paint could send a tesla off the road with just a few sprays on the pavement? That is a scary thought.
Maybe change your TH-cam handle to "Car Conspiracies"
How is it slow for your taste? What other self driving cars have you driven? Freaking moron...
The 360 camera adds a lot of value for analyzing situations. Haven't seen anyone else do that. (Seven months later edit: I'm talking about the setup the vlogger here created, not the car's built-in sensors).
You don't watch many auto reviews, do you? The 360 camera as a dashcam sort of thing is actually a very common feature right now. I remember it being in high-end Mercedes cars since about 2012. Obviously, it was then mostly used for the "top-down" parking view, not any self-driving capabilities, hence the high-end part. It was basically an expensive novelty with *fat* profit margins.
Frankey2310 I think he is talking about the GoPro max on the roof which is used to analyze the behavior of autopilot in the commentary afterwards.
Nice video and info. What camera and set up did you us on top of the car?
@@Frankey2310 he is talking about the go pro on the roof
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2:05 The Penske truck was encroaching into your lane and was going significantly slower than you. That was no phantom braking. That was keeping you safe. My assumption would have been that the truck driver either wasn't paying attention or he was intending on fully entering your lane. I would have been cautious approaching him as was your car. Your Tesla got it right.
That’s what he said
Maybe that’s the correct thing to do if he wasn’t driving in LA. It’s actually more dangerous here to drive defensively because you can get rear ended easily or get someone angry (ergo they start making irrational choices on the road). The best way to handle large trucks drifting into your lane is to check the the empty lane to your side, see if there’s no cars next to you. If there aren’t, drift into that lane a little and speed up to quickly pass the truck. You reduce the risk of hitting the truck AND reduce the risk of getting rear ended.
Mr. Johnson in a split second decision breaking is always the right choice over swerving... always. It is the person behinds responsibility to travel a a safe distance whether you like it or not, and just because you live in a big, bad, busy city is no excuse. Once a majority of cars on the road are self driving, no one will make shit decisions and thus everyone will be orders of magnitude safer.
@@mr.johnson8974 Tesla however shouldn't do that, simply the self driving car should just get rear ended if thats the case. It needs to drive within the rules no matter if the rules are more or less dangerous for the area of operation, first because of liability but second because a departure from the rule "for safety reasons" needs to be proven to be safer and that requires data.
Data that just doesn't exist currently.
@@nocare “doesn’t exist” because the worst cases people ‘don’t know what hit them’.
As a Commercial Driver, that “phantom breaking” is actually noticing the cars drifting. I can tell what other drivers are thinking with that subtle drift when they are looking to merge left or right.
Human drivers don’t realize that they slightly drift when they look in their mirrors.
It takes a lot of practice and driving time to notice those little drifts, and why it is important to be attentive at all times while driving, and why being distracted for even a moment can create a catastrophe.
Also, most accidents happen because people don’t leave “2 seconds” of space between them and the driver in front of them and using your cell phone while driving.
No need to rush! You get to your destination quicker if you drive at a safe pace and in a safe fashion rather than driving in a way that will eventually need a “detour” to the hospital.
Also, trucks leave space in front of them because it takes a lot more time for them to stop.
Don’t be an idiot trying to get a insurance payout from brake checking a Truck.
That insurance payout will be going toward your funeral if you are lucky, and your lifetime vacation in a hospital bed with an equivalent IQ of a vegetable if you are not...
Drive like all the drivers are out to kill you, because some of them actually are.
don't think their engineers have done very much driving. Until all vehicles can communicate with each other in real time, no computer will be able to do what one old fat truck driver can do for millions of miles accident free. Every vehicle on the the road would have to have this tech and all the roads would have to be properly marked and maintained. It seems like their programming is thinking any idiot can do it just because the engineers do it. I mean they should probably be charged for attempted homicide just for getting on the road.I personally feel that if you are too damned lazy to assume responsibility for your vehicle then you don't belong on the road.
@@daciefusjones8128 You have zero idea about the statistics around car accidents and have built a narrative in your head based entirely on anecdotal evidence (i.e. 'your experience').
Leave the engineering to the engineers. You enjoy your time in your truck with all your accident free 'responsible' driving.
The phantom breaking is a well known false positive from the road sign overhead combined with the shadow on the road. For a split second the road sign is picked up on the radar as a moving object.
It's a known issue that has improved over time but still not perfect.
@@daciefusjones8128 A Tesla with autopilot is 9x safer than a normal car, so clearly the engineers have gotten something right so far, and I'm betting it will continue in the future.
@@DvApps A Tesla with autopilot is 9x safer than an average driver, maybe? Including "student drivers" as mentioned?
good thing for autopilot is they don't get into asleep while driving and they don't drive drunk or drug.
10:11 the shutter speed of the Go Pro and the yellow car's speed were exactly lined up
and made it look like the tires weren't moving
*k a r*
Nice catch
@1:29 the car knows you're in a bling spot
good point. all this phantom may have a reason, instead of the car braking for no reason
The other car didn't indicate nor did it start to change lanes. It shoudn't have braked.
@@dummy3333 you must not have ever driven before
@@downshift83 Care to explain why you think that? Or just out of reasons? Or are you telling that you must brake each time you get in a vehicle's blind spot?
@@dummy3333 exactly. the Tesla was already about to pass the other car and instead of continuing with the pass to leave the vehicles blind spot it breaks? makes no sense.
From an engineering perspective, the question is not whether or not others got mad at you, but rather, were its actions safer. It could careless about the emotional state of the people behind you as long as it is transporting you safely from A to B.
"Ever noticed that anyone driving slower than you is an idiot, but anyone driving faster than you is a maniac?" - George Carlin
I think his point is that if your actions on the road make others mad, they're more likely to do something irrational and potentially dangerous around you
a common unsafe driving behavior is unjustified speed change or maneuver.
My favorite is when drivers get mad at you because your not going fast enough. Problem is how can you get mad at someone for going the maximum speed limit? Also if your driving in right lane as long as someone is going the minimum required you have no right to get upset with them. After all you do not pay for their fuel bill.
It should also not worsen traffic by creating situations which cause other drivers to react.
Suddenly slowing down for no apparent reason is not safe behavior, no matter how you look at it. Surprising other drivers is always a bad idea.
2:25 Better to swerve into the left lane instead of slowing down? Absolutely not.
Seriously lol, i was looking for this comment. How would it be better to swerve into another lane vs slowing down a few mph?
Yeah no way I definitely would slow down than risk hitting one in the next lane even if it's clear
I think it’s better to go into the left lane. Especially if you are aware the left lane is clear and empty
@@jperng Not especially, better ONLY if you know left is open.
@@jperng tell the sob hanging out in your blind spot for the past two miles that you were “aware that the lane was clear and empty” when you hit her.
7:44 "This Prius is coming up really fast."
I'll take "Sentences Never Used Before in the English Language" for $1000
Hey, some of us who own or have owned a Prius dont drive like old women, we drive the car like a conventional 2 litre vehicle as per the manufacturers spec.
Imagine when all cars are self driving and they can actually communicate with eachother and coordinate their movements. I hope Telsa adds that to their self driving so if you just happen to be surrounded by other Teslas it's a super flawless experience.
I like this concept on paper, but I have a lot of doubts about realistically solving all the security and safety implications regarding intra-vehicle communication and coordination
Mercedes introduced car to car communication in the W213 E Class when it launched just over 4 years ago. It'll send information to other Mercedes with car to x communication about obstacles and accidents and reroute them or warn ahead of time so that the systems can be primed for that specific issue in that location.
imagine if all the cars were on autopilot! all the cars could start accelerating at the same time, same speed! increased efficiency!
@@aaavng1885 No need for intersections/traffic lights either, they would all just cross at the same time while avoiding each other.
@@DvApps ehhh pedestrians still need to cross roads though
That super wide camera angle camera on the roof looked amazing!
Thanks! GoPro Max
"This Prius is coming up really fast" That's the first time I've ever heard those words used together in a sentence like that.
Clearly you've never driven in California. I've seen a Geo Metro passing everybody at 85-90 out here as well. I'm guessing it was the 1.3l 4cyl model.
The "phantom braking" at 1:30 could be to avoid the blindspot of the car to your right.
I have noticed that sometimes when driving under an overpass like a bridge or street signs the car will 'phantom brake' like at 1:30. It happens every now and then. I'm not sure why.
Ya the car turned in to his blind spot, the car was getting ready to possibly avoid the collision
@@cspaceinfinity0116 That makes zero sense, it shouldn't have braked, that's the point of the video.
That makes zero sense, it shouldn't have braked, that's the point of the video.
@@dummy3333 It braked because the blindspot of the driver, closeby to the left side of the driver was what it was in, it breaked so that it wasnt in the blindspot. Meaning that the driver could see the tesla, while if he was in the blindspot, the driver could have turned into the tesla
I'm looking at the roads , my good the lines are so warn and bad , i'm amazed about it that it could pick up what a lane is.
Cant expect anything good from California is a communist state.
@@k3th.b.w122 my eyes can't roll hard enough.
Like other systems, it will use a the clearest adjacent line. It doesn't need 2 lines. These systems don't even need lines if there's other cars since it follows the other cars. Every carmaker's system does it this way.
Why aren't the road markings maintained?
@@k3th.b.w122 Come to las vegas then. Most of the roads here have no lines or are so worn you can't see them.
Seems like the car is doing its job.
9:00 "I find myself reaching for the accelerator more than the brakes." YES!!! This is annoying but a good sign that the AI is actually more cautious (and potentially safer) than a human.
Tesla, being the defensive driver for the aggressive drivers out there🤣
Ehh in some situations it safer to accelerate. For instance when merging in front of other cars it's important to have equal or higher speed than the car you're merging in front of.
In drivers ed, they teach you to match traffic speed, especially during rush hour. More likely to cause an accident if you don’t.
If we get enough AI drivers on the road, maybe everyone will have to chill a bit. That would be good.
I guess it's one of the consequences of growing up in LA traffic and commuting for several years. But all of the "bad drivers" moments you posted seemed pretty normal. Hell, with some of the more aggressive drivers I've witness, these drivers seem tame by comparison.
Agreed. The AMG driver didn’t seem all that aggressive to me. Even signaling a ok distance away.
Lalo, I was thinking the same thing. That traffic was pretty light and tame....and here in New England, those would all be normal lane changes.
"what else are you going to do" ?
Well you can start by driving on the slow lane, since you are driving slow.
When used as a driver assist feature (as intended at this point) instead of driver replacement, the system is indispensable as a safety enhancement feature.
Really well thought out video production and content to share, some of the best I have seen on auto pilot - you picked lots of good edge scenarios to walk (drive) through. Nicely done!
I've heard somewhere that Teslas do that "phantom breaking" when there is a big static object in their vision - like a tunnel entrance or highway signs hanging over the road.
Great video as always! Phantom braking happened right before the sign overhead - so a 4mph brake to hedge that being something big and covering the entire lane
Thanks! And interesting.
I thought the same.
The same at 2:02 . I feel like breaking would always avoid a possible collision, if that truck continued the turn. For 1sec, it looked as if the turn was just about to happen. We're probably talking about laser speed data, being processed almost immediately. Good call for me ! Haha
I felt (watching the whole video) that the auto pilot assures you'll be in the best spot if sh*t happens. It looked quite precautious dealing with most of the scenarios, even being pushed to some inconvenient situations. It pursues the best "chances" all around, not just "looking" at the nearest car. Everything for safety, even running slow.. Wouldn't that be less strange if (in the future) every car had auto pilot ? You would be relaxed knowing the time of arrival. Want to get there faster ? Manual mode and you're on your own BUT, statistically, you're now less safe. They're years ahead of our auto pilot knowledge and experience. Tesla is just completely revolutionary to the whole industry, not just the electric sector. It gets better and better, I'm loving it ! (Aspiring owner here, motorcycle for now)
By the way, another GREAT video, thanks for that ! The fact that you're creating this content.. this is such a treasure for future and current Tesla drivers. You're using your own car and time to demonstrate all this possibilities. Amazing work Ryan !
@@OliveTreeCreations Consider watching Dirty tesla too if you are really interested in autopilot like me. Maybe you are already watching him 😂
Actually I'm not 😅 Thank you @@TechSpyYt I'll watch it for sure !
“Prius coming quickly” well... that was a surprise.
you definitely don't hear that too often!!
Thank you for the video. Awesome coverage of all the possible scenarios and occurrences during different real life situations. Please keep up with great work!
I love this car, it allows me to navigate through CHAZ in a much more relaxed state.
Shadow from the overhead sign caused the phantom brake.
It should also be using radar to verify the camera's view.
@@SDav21 wouldn't you rather have it at least begin to react before the verification comes through?
I feel like Tesla should incorporate radar and cameras for autopilot.
@@TheRiptaco It shouldn't have to. If the radar isn't sensing a stationary object it should then continue. I don't know what tesla is doing. But there was even that one incident where it didn't stop for a turned over truck. It shouldn't be using camera only. Radar would've made it stop.
@@TheRiptaco Just like a plane on autopilot, a car needs multiple sources for confirming a scenario. A plane has at least 3 sensors to determine its airspeed, trajectory and pitch. It takes the readings from all 3 to confirm. If one is faulty, but the other 2 shows a certain scenario, it uses the 2 that concur. Other carmakers, like Mercedes, use 2 forward facing cameras (stereo cameras) together with short, medium and long range radar (incorporated behind the the Mercedes star badge). It works together to rule out errors in instances where a camera doesn't provide enough information. Other carmakers restrict their systems more however as they are risk averse such that they follow laws very strictly especially to avoid people blaming their system versus themselves. Even a plane needs a pilot. Same like a car. Even if the carmakers activate all their cars' ability to drive itself a pilot is always required. Until laws change, until people are more educated, until there's universal standards on how autonomous cars should act in certain scenarios and how it will determine what is safe and/or courteous, these systems will remain merely as ASSIST systems to relieve strain off drivers on long journeys but still making sure they're fully present and attentive.
Awesome video! Saw you pulled into the service center while I was leaving a few days ago, keep up the good content!
Hands down the best Tesla video I have seen! Knowing and seeing exactly how it handles busy traffic and merges was a huge help. Thanks!
Love your use of cams around the car to show different views of what’s going on. Great job.
Looks like in almost every case you showed there was an overhead sign that cast a shadow on the road. The car does this with bridges sometimes as well.
so the overhead gantries shadow causes breaking?
I noticed that too!
yes, overhead signs sometimes cause phantom braking, especially since the stoplight function was introduced.
This right here, shadow braking I notice happens when I cross through shadows all the time.
katakisLives shadow combined with the large radar signature.
8:27 Even though it wasn't really a nice move, it's impressive that it made it, although there wasn't much space.
By the way, I really like you camera angles
Love this! We need more reviewers out there for Tesla to look at in order for them to make the improvements and adjustments needed. Cheers!
So informative! I learned a lot from your video and thanks for making it.
This video was awesome. Loved every second.
You'll notice that the speed that Autopilot takes 'sharp' turns seems to change from version to version. For the first 6 months I had my car it would constantly go too fast into hard corners and then freak out and disengage. The last couple versions they really slowed it down and seem to be putting an artificial 'speed limit' on turns where it previously would disengage. Unfortunately, it tends to hold that speed far longer than it needs to and doesn't accelerate out of the turn like a normal driver would. I suspect that since they've been clearly working on 'hard turning' issue that in the next few months you'll see them try to rectify the prolonged slowness once the vehicle starts to exit a turn.
What an excellent video. I am still in a lease for my RDX but looking at this for my next car in about a year. Learning a lot from your videos, very well filmed esp this one!
my 2019 Avalon does the fantom braking and also needing to put my foot down to speed up a good amount. I think its just the systems being OVERYL cautious a bit too much. maybe in another 5 years they will get better. but for long highway drives its really nice.
What an awesome video, one of my favorites because autopilot is something that makes me feel very uncomfortable. Please do more like this .
Thanks Ryan
only had the tesla a week and dont think Im ready to trust autopilot yet. Am I crazy not to use it?
Dam , I love the LA freeways, whenever I'm stressed and need to unwind, I drive onto the LA Freeways
azspotfree. Sarcasm intended 😁
Yea 10 mph
Thank you. Good coverage of characteristics. Matches my experiences very closely.
Very fair and accurate assessment of the current state of autopilot. I like what you mentioned ".. used more of the accelerator than brake..." Pretty much tells the mindset of the Tesla : to be defensive as the society unfairly scrutinize the way it has to be "perfect, yet safe" driver. Hope this timid and overly cautious tendency can be improved quickly. Thank you for your excellent video.
"phantom breaking" It sees multiple cars behind you & front of you & take safest possible decision for you .
10:25 Wheels on the Subaru are magically sliding down the freeway
I enjoy your videos being both good in content and the fact they appear frank and unbiased. Many videos produced out there clearly have an agenda and/or are sponsored. Thank you for another interesting video. Keep up the good work.
This was a very informative video. Thank you for all your work in putting this together. I reserved a Model Y and am both excited and nervous about FSD.
2:05 the car acts right. I would do the same. When about to pass I alway notice if the car next to me has intention to change lane(without signals), by looking at its tires if they touch my lane.
5:40 I've heard that Autopilot sometimes breaks for large overhead signs, so that might have been the reason for the steering.
Perhaps the Autopilot "thinks" the sign is going to fall down in front of the car, or worse, fall ON the car.
I had the same impression, it was just being cautious because of the overhead sign, just in case it was wrong about it's assessment
I think the car’s response for the Penske truck was appropriate. Slowing down to get behind the truck puts you in a safer position than getting into another lane (while maintaining speed); it’s possible that the erratic truck driver would’ve changed lanes again just as easily, where you would’ve been just as close to a collision as you were before. Slowing down puts more distance between you and the truck.
Nice video. I lived and worked in LA for 31 years. I moved to Texas in 2005. It's fun for me to see streets and intersections that I recognize.
Autopilot is basically safer than a teenage driver but makes some choices that a teenage driver would in a safer way.
Safer than risky drivers maybe, but maybe not safer than all.
R he said teenage not all
i have my tesla set to mad max and i have never come to a position where my car accelerated slowly and my car has never had phantom breaking so i would say that my car drives like someone who’s been driving for years and knows exactly what they are doing
Maybe needs a sticker to put on the bumper saying "warning auto pilot driver" like my bright yellow reflective one that says "Please Be Patient STUDENT DRIVER" that I put on when my 16 year old daughter is practicing driving with me.
@@skateguy50 hmm
5:30 it could have been that overhanging sign. My M3 brakes for overhead bridges...
I am waiting for a delivery of my model three your videos are very helpful, I think full self driving has a ways to go before the perfection mode, however auto pilot seems like it does a good job.
Thank you for your non-biased videos. That’s what I like about your videos! I’m sure that might be what others hate about your videos but I hope not.
The Tesla cars "feel" like they ride the right (outside) of the lane only because we, the drivers, usually ride the left (inside) of the lanes. The computer drives better than we do.
In germany you are supposed to drive on the right side of your lane. But we are also only allowed to overtake left (there are exceptions) wich is much safer than overtaking left and right.
@@danielwlodawer1282 lane != road
@@iuby2617
Lane is not road.
We drive on the right side of the road. We are supposed to use the utmost right lane if we are not overtaking. Also we should drive on the right side of the lane.
@@danielwlodawer1282 "lane is not road" is what I said, but i've never heard about being supposed to drive on the ride side of the lane xD
Point in favor of a center driver's seat, a la the McLaren F1.
We have never had an electric car, but we now plan on a MY. That technology is really getting awesome.
Awesome! I love it.
You don't need an electric car for this technology. Why is it that people think this is exclusive to an electric car???
@@SDav21 Not the problem of ICE cars themselves but traditional car manufacturers happen to lag behind tesla in terms of self driving R&D
@@SDav21 Tesla's neural networks are far superior to other car makers'. Their cars are also superior. Take one for a test drive.
@@Mark-rt6fy No they don't. Their systems are capable of full self driving too. However they add more restrictions due to being more risk averse until laws make it legal and until people are more educated. Teslas don't even have great pedestrian detection as shown by those videos where they compared it and they're not even stopping when there's a large over turned truck right in front of it. That to me sounds like tesla is lagging behind. There's even a channel called tesla guy or something like that. He shows the autoparking of the model 3. It is positively miserable. Cars from 7 years ago find and park better than tesla's efforts. Where does this thing about self driving come about that tesla is ahead??? Because they make more of it available in "beta" making people think it can do more than it can when it can't? That's dangerous and reckless. But that seems to be the tesla way. They do it for marketing and to fool the ignorant into thinking they drive themselves when they don't. Tesla owners and fans generally seem to know very little about other carmakers self driving. Mercedes even had a self driving car in the 90s with project prometheus. They've been collecting self driving data before tesla even existed. Even now, tesla doesn't sell cars in every country in the world nor do they sell enough of them to even build a proper data set. Other carmakers have self driving cars in every country in the world collecting data even in countries in Africa, India etc. Every country has different rules and people drive differently. Having a data set just from the US is not going to help them much.
Ryan, excellent Tesla autopilot review vids. I watch your channel on a regular basis.
Thanks s bunch!
It was really useful!
“This Prius is coming up really fast”
"AutoPilot" users should put a "student driver" sticker
Indeed. Because at this point the automation is still a student.
Excellent presentation, learned a lot.
When all these cars are communicating with each other, which they will eventually, all of the problems will go away. It is also interesting to see the computer-like way the car reacts to situations, not necessarily bad, just different than people would.
"LA Drivers Hate Tesla Autopilot on the Model Y"... LA drivers hate EVERYONE LOL
auto pilot seems like having a teenager with a learners permit drive you around
Yea nowhere near prime time and I find it hard to believe Tesla will have this full self driving in a year...
@@claus1225 Neither of them are claiming to have an "autopilot", just driving assistance and they do that just fine just like a Tesla. Elon is always too optimistic on these things, I don't believe in a full competent autopilot before 2023.
13orrax...Yep, and it’ll learn quickly.
To be fair, the host also seems like a beginner learning how to optimize using Autopilot.
@@TheFPSPower He's only saying that because that's what his lawyers are telling him to say.
Good review - Burbank and the surrounding freeways are a bit tricky. Good thing traffic was very light.
Thanks for the insight on AP
I love that Elon Musk is making the self driving technology more advanced and smarter just can't wait to grow up and buy all the Telsa's including the Telsa Roadster
It's so nice seeing footage from places that I live
While AutoPilot can handle the majority of situations fine, its the minority that are the challenge. Think inclement weather, construction, accidents, etc. (the .01%). Until it can handle these situations consistently and accurately, FSD is a ways off.
The fact that it still has trouble on a sunny, 5-wide LA highway, does not bode well for this. Elon's promise of FSD by the end of the year is ridiculous.
no one listens to elon's promises cuz they are always late just like the responding to traffic lights update was last year. I own a tesla and FSD does not have too many problems. Sure, the occasional phantom stop but as long as you don't confuse the car it's perfectly fine.
ummmm....inclement weather, construction, accidents, etc. (the .01%).
are the most important situations and happen more than .01% of the time its like 30% of the time.
how many times do you see those situations? actually A LOT. smh....
Problem is I honestly cant see the system dealing well at round abouts , or pulling out at stop signs . Been following people for years saying it's going to get there but I just dont see it been better then a fancy cruise control
It is way better than them. Surely
The name makes a good marketing, lot of people underestimate what other brand already can do with their lane assistance etc. They seem to be more careful with implementing lanechange abilities to their cars.
@@TechSpyYt better yes ,8k better no
Do you think this shit happens over night? Lmao. Autopilot came out 2015. It has seen quite the improvement since then.
"Make all the cars behind me mad" . LOL. funniest quote.
Phantom breaking and not yielding at all when cars either merge into your lane or does a lane change are what scares me on autopilot.
this man has the perfect head and beard.
😂 I can’t disagree.
This post is a reflection of on going stupidity found on many of the nation’s highways. The good news is that in time such stupidity will fade and at some point disappear.
Maybe not. The designers may find they need to continually make the auto-pilot software more aggressive to be able to deal with other human drivers. Eventually when all cars are autonomous, we might have the computers getting all agro with each other. Buyers also might start demanding more agressive software that would get them to their destination quicker.
Good demonstration of the current condition of Tesla Autopilot! I love this feature, trust this feature(totaled a model x on autopilot), and I use it everyday I drive it. The scenario scare me the most is when it drive in the side lane of the freeway, it gets really really close to the walls pops out for a bridge or something else. It was like 6 -12 inch! Slowly I start to trust it on those close approach but still, it was really scary.
Nice Job Ryan. I’m really enjoying those new camera angles and 360s.
Thanks!
Best testla channel. Not only praising how "good" it is, but actually pointing out the issues also. 50k+ investment is still quite big for some. Thanks for all the info.
I suggest Jack Massey Welsh
Keep your eye on the speed limit/recommendation (yellow signs) when you’re criticizing the follow distance being too long. On one occasion you were criticizing the follow distance for being too far behind the car in front of you even though the car was going 27 as you clearly drove past a yellow 20 mph sign. One of the reasons self driving cars will be much safer than human drivers is that they will actually follow the rules of the road. It may seem wrong from the human perspective, but it is actually the correct way to drive.
Matthew Nescio yeah but its not there yet.. once all cars are self driving they’ll be able to drive faster than the car can keep us comfy in our little seat. The speed limit should be higher but the world is filled w morons
It never gets not weird seeing my city in a video 😂
Awesome video! Really gets me excited for the future of autopilot
The first phantom breaking DOES have a reason. Go to 1:41, and you will see a white or silver car approach behind another car less than 1 car of spacing. It's anticipating a potential accident, and reducing speed to ensure it could come to a complete stop in case of a collision.
It DOES have a reason, but it wasn't that. The reason is the overhead signage. The autopilot doesn't seem to "know" how high the vehicle is, or whether the sign is floating above the road, or part of something that is on the road.
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Would you dare to try autopilot on the 60 going from downtown to Diamond Bar in either direction?
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I might have missed it but when you do autopilot/FSD videos put in what version of software your downloaded last.
I suggest that this video had more upside than down. If anything it shows that FAD will err on the side on the line of cautious. Could you please reframe from using click bait in your titles
@@aussie_al lol it is TH-cam the only way you can get people to stop using click-bait is by not clicking. We are reinforcing it.
A great video, the 360 camera on the roof makes it stand out, really good stuff!😅
1:29 This Phantom breaking is related to the detection bug with over the road signs, or entering's of a tunnel.
Thanks Ryan
The random seeming breaking is because of the overhead signs on the highway, and bridges. It tends to check really carefuly when deciding to go under things, not to get it wrong to run into something.
the phantom braking was because of the overhead highway sign... it does it for viaducts also affected by lighting... in the "phantom steering" event... you can see an overhead sign over the lane you were merging into as well. If your driving involves going east in the morning and west in the afternoon... it often gives up when there sun is too close to the road (high glare.) and the frequency of phantom events is much higher as well.
VERY helpful video!! Thanks.
It breaks when ur car goes under a big overhead road sign, happens to me too. For a split second it reads it as a object and thinks it might cause a crash. The convolution also neural network needs more training data for these banners and bridges like situations where going under the object is fine.
The riding the outside on the lane on tighter highway turns drives me insane. Also, drivers usually take tighter turns on the inside, so me being on the outside and them on the inside, I've gotten way to close for comfort many times.
Good video as usual!
I have experiencing that the car(model 3) is phantom breaking a lot, thats really annoying, especially at high speeds.
And roads without lines or merging lane are really scary!
Roundabout, gravel roads, snow or rainy days are still out of the question.
First phantom brake was probably picking up the long signs on top as traffic lights. I get phantom braked sometimes passing those road signs and ezpass equipments.
Just having Autopilot only and no FSD, the Phantom Braking I get is pretty scary, you explained it so well.
this probably the best your video yet :)
I completely agree about the frustration of phantom breaking. It happens way too often and quite frankly, it can be dangerous at times. Tesla really needs to figure out this problem and fix it.
Ryan, great video. I noticed that the phantom breaking or lane change hesitation you mentioned seemed to coincide with overhead street signs. Not sure if there is a correlation there, but maybe take note for future to see if that is indeed the case. It appeared to be in the video cuts I saw that most times when there was an issue, there was an overhead sign approaching.
Thanks! That does seem to be what most people are noticing so I'll be sure to pay attention in the future.
For "phantom braking" it's sort of a system glitch everytime you drive under a bridge or cross under large roadsigns the sensors assumes theres a barrier so it slows down slightly before the systems realize theres no barrier and starts accelerating.
Notice the correlation between the phantom braking and when theres an overpass or a roadsign that stretches over all lanes on the freeway
I am amazed bij how good the autopilot is doing its job while the road lines are so bad
I live in the Netherlands and for the most part our roads and road lines are very good.
but still i have sometimes ghost brakes in my Model 3
Thanks Ryan. Great Video.
Great info, the world needs to know this.
9:58 if you look in the video, just a few seconds after at 10:01, auto pilot is actually slowing you down to the recommended speed, and the sign off to the left of the screen for the ramp that your are turning on to.
Good video! The slowness/student driving the car chooses to do is honestly the reason why human judgment will always be needed.