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Thanks for the video but after what I just saw, I doubt I'm going to order a Tesla anytime soon. You confirmed Reuters' recent report that Teslas have been misreporting their range estimates.
Yup. When I was meeting up with a group of EV owners for a cool road trip for desert wild flowers I stopped at a SC to add some range. When I pulled in a tow truck had a Model Y at 90 degrees to parking direction so blocking four or five chargers. Turns out the driver had plenty of range to drop a passenger at the airport and get back home . But that was at EPA rated range. She drove 85 mph up and down hills and ran out of juice less than a mile from the Super Charger. I don't drive like Gjeebs and would have made the whole trip portal to portal without charging at either a SC or level two. Not bragging here just pointing out there are different choices. Personally if I wanted to drive 80mph I likely would have added kWhs at the first charger they passed. From there there is no stress for the rest of the journey. I think having been through Jerome that you could make it back down the hill with more range than when you started up initially. The key is to go up at 10% below the posted speed limit.
my now former hybrid suv similar size to the model Y, gets 38mpg around town at 60-65mph about 36-38mpg at 70-72 gets about 32mpg at 77-80 gets about 27-28mpg
As mentioned with roof rack and wheels having a 20inch diameter being a contributing factor, the Aero Dynamics of the wheel plays a bigger role than most people think. Looks like you have aftermarket rims, with the wheels spinning full time, it is creating drag and a lot of it. I have the 19inch Geminis with aftermarket Aero Hub kit, proving to provide more efficiency than even the Stock Aero Kit. By estimates, another 15mile range over the course of 300miles on avg. Again, this is just adding proper Aero Hub Covers.
I just did a 233 mile same day out and back in my dual motor Model Y Long Range. I got 245 Wh/mile (with headwinds and crosswinds going, and no winds coming back because the wind had died off, air conditioner on a nice cool 71F, 19 inch wheels) and that implies a range of 306 miles. I couldn't be more pleased
I just bought a dual LR Y and cruise at 70 car was burning energy at over 310 kw which is freaking me out because my model 3 can do the same and use about 235 kw
@@jollyrodger1537 I don't know if 235 kW is normal or not for the 3. Sounds really low. But 310 kW is not that abnormal under certain conditions. I drove 51 miles yesterday in mixed driving and got 293 kW for the day. It wasn't that cold, but I had snow tires on, with the heat set at 72F.
@@TonyMiguel-ko7cz My fueling costs for my Model Y are 75% less than the similar sized gas car it replaced in the summer, and 67% less in the winter. Plus no oil changes, no transmission fluid changes, no spark plug changes, brakes last 200,000 miles because most braking is done by regen not friction brakes, etc., etc. My running costs are much lower in my Tesla, and yes I am ecstatic about that! .
The roof rack, 20 inch wheels and the highway speeds over 80mph trash your range. You could have chosen to remove your roof rack, put on those 19’s and kept your speed to a more leisurely 70 mph or less. You would.d have easily made the round trip without the need for supercharging. Also we plan stops with destination chargers installed. Make life easy.
Why? The car tells you what to do. Just as had they mapped their trip on their car, they'd have been given a better plan than the ignorant one they put together for themselves. If they wanted their car to save them from their own disinterest in understanding what they were doing, they had to get its advice by asking it what to do. They didn't, and they got burned. Maybe next time they'll read the manual and/or get advice from someone with more experienced. Maybe not. Depends on how smart they are, and whether they learn from their mistakes.
I am someone that has decided to go on a renting challenge through HERTZ. I am a gold member and the manager at my local Hertz told me that he could basically get any variant of model three or model Y that I needed. So after six months, I’ve rented a standard range Tesla model 3, Standard Range Tesla model, Y, Long Range, Tesla model 3 Long Range, Tesla model Y Long Range. I have to say the model 3 Long Range Dual Motor 2022 model was by far my most favorite Tesla. The sheer power of the vehicle combined with 358 miles of range, reduced my range, anxiety by a metric ton. There is absolutely nothing I do not like about this model of Tesla in this configuration. The Tesla model Y long range would be my second pic. The model Y long range had less range than the model three long range. Model Y was also heavier so 0 to 60 times were slightly less. I was able to rent these Tesla’s for anywhere from $38 a day to $52 a day. Considering the amount of gas you do not have to buy it makes it well worth it to rent a Tesla and for that matter buy a Tesla!
If Tesla's upgrade of the Model 3 includes switching to a lift gate in the rear they will sell a _ _ _ _ ton of them. Why? It will improve the efficiency a good 100%. Example, watching a customer load an armchair into the rear of his new Ionic 5. Many people, like myself, will still buy Ys because of the added space. But the 3 might become the fourth best selling vehicle on the planet. More space, crazy good range and less money to own.
I did the same thing. Rented a lot of Teslas thru Hertz. It only cost me $30 to $50 per day. It’s a great way to try them all out. The Model 3 is definitely my favorite.
I recently rented a 3 from hertz. From Vegas-Death Valley-San Fran-San Diego l. The whole experience was awesome. I didn’t have too much charging anxiety, thanks to Teslas navigation system.
One thing people don't realize is that the stated range for EV's are if they are charged to 100%. The recommended charging percentage to preserve maximum battery health is between 40% to 80%. So realistically if you were planning on taking a long trip you are able to charge to 100% at home before you start your trip. Once out on the road you are pretty much stuck to only charging up to 80% anyways because if etiquette or don't want to sit for the last 20% of which the charging slows down. So take into consideration if you buy an EV that the real range is more realistically 20% less than what they state. And in cold climates it will be less also.
Exactly! I think it's false marketing to say these cars have 300 plus miles of range when they advise customers to not use that full range. Also, my MP3 at a 90% charge only shows 232-250 miles (depending on weather. Neither comes close to what Tesla advertises.
Train is also electric. Cool. I went from Heilbronn to Frankfurt in my Rented Model Y dual motor. Total distance was 149KM or about 90 miles. Charge went from 96-38 percent. Under 40 percent you are looking for a charger for sure. Cost will be around 40-50 bucks to charge it back up if you can find a charger. Not the same as in the states. Parking space is a hot commodity and any space has a car in it. Electric or not! Found a Edeka store with 10 stations to charge. Problem there is when the store closes, they put the gates down so you can not get in to charge or you will be trapped in if charging when they close. There is a Tesla dealer in town and they have the exact Tesla Y with a posted range of 433km? That has to be a in the city range. Like I said, we went 90 miles on a 96 percent charge and anyone in their right mind with 38 percent showing will start looking for a charge station. Ridiculous to say the least. These EV;s are nowhere near useful except in town for commuting. A 75k commuter car. Wow!! Love the power!!
3 people. The baby is light but baby gears :) A/C, hills, hot tire psi, any customizations drawing more power, sentry/dash-cam(?), etc. Many reasons to explain factors for shorter range
Been to Jerome, AZ many times, it’s just down the road from me here in Flagstaff, and the road is STEEP! My Lexus SUV only gets 416 mi. range on a full tank, but only gets about 1/2 that, when we drive to Jerome. Buying a Model Y today, selling the o’l Lexus. Looking forward to all-EV!
Smoke’m while you gott’em. Enjoy the burgers & fried food while u can! Completed a 2K mile road trip a few weeks ago in our 22 M3. Car worked as designed. As an old engineer I always pad the car’s computed read out with a safety factor. Surplus charge is like money: It’s Always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
We just got a model y in our family. Have to charge the thing every other day seemingly. Not driving anywhere close to 300 miles. Ive seen a 6 mile round trip eat up 4% of the battery. Ideal california conditions and chill mode acceleration. Very cool car. The every other day charging and awful UI are really my only complaints. I do hope it will last a while, we still have our 03 excursion v10 that handles all our towing needs 08 mustang 4.6 is what use for daily. I wonder if the model Y will still be working in 2039
What a spectacularly beautiful clear video with great sound!!!!!! Thank you for this road trip in your area. You know I will be in your area for a long road trip in another two weeks.
Yes! Finally a youtuber who doesn't say "left lane is the fast lane". It's exactly as you said it. "left lane is the passing lane". Doesn't matter if you are cruising at 100mph. If you are done passing, you move over to the right.
Driving 100 mph would get you 100 miles or less. Not sure why Tesla doesn’t match the advertised range. 😅 Maybe because the advertised range is for 60 mph speeds ? 🤔
Just add a stop to your destination for the supercharger in Cordes Lakes after you leave Jerome Then you will know what your battery life will be when you get there.
Mpg ratings are out of date and so thus as are EV ratings since they calculate off of mpg. Mpg ratings are based off of 55 miles per hour of which was the average speed limit decades ago. Now the average speed limits are between 65-70. So in reality 55 no longer applies as you are not able to drive that much slower than the speed limit without getting ticketed or causing road rage. Highway mpg ratings need to be adjusted using 65 mph.
316 miles is EPA rated for 65 mph highway driving, so driving at 82 mph you'll be using 26% more energy and at 85 mph, 31% more. Checks out with your real world range: adjusting for 82 mph driving, expected range is 199 miles so 94%->3% is 91% of 199 miles = 181 miles. The tyres and roof rack probably account for the bulk of remaining losses as you mentioned. Great video, fun family trip and real world charging explanation.
@@Gjeebs Ah ok, so then the additional losses from the roof rack are probably more significant, especially at higher speeds. Example scenario where the average speed is still 66 mph and yet the energy expended due to some higher speed accounts for the higher overall range loss (in brackets is the EPA energy rate multiple due to drag increasing with the square of the speed): 70 minutes @ 82 mph (1.59x) 30 minutes @ 76 mph (1.37x) 30 minutes @ 55 mph (0.72x) 30 minutes @ 30 mph (0.21x) Average speed: 66 mph Total EPA Range used: 227 miles Actual distance travelled: 176 miles
@@lespaulranger hi, 35 what? I checked the official EPA test cycles and it looks like they don't drive at a constant speed. Average speed goes from 21.2 mph for City, A/C and Cold Temp test cycles, to 48.4 mph for the Highway and High Speed test cycles. Then they multiply range by a fudge factor of 0.7 to estimate real-world range. So i don't know why I thought the Tesla range estimates were done using a constant 65 mph. Maybe that's just what makes sense based on real world driving at 65 mph usually achieving Tesla's predicted range on an average summer's day.
Currently In Colorado typing this. Drove our 2022 model Y long range 20 inch wheels from Tampa Florida to Denver Colorado. Roughly 1900 miles each way. We custom ordered this vehicle. Also got the fsd subscription for this trip and I think it’s pretty useless. The regular cruise control is more then good enough and for future road trips I probably won’t be subscribing as it’s not needed. I have my settings set to sport and aggressive acceleration. I’ll charge 5-10 percent over if I plan on being under 80 mph or less on the freeway. During our sprint through Kansas it was dead and empty and I had active cruise set to 85mph as that’s the max and charged 10 percent over recommended amount at the very least. When I say recommended amount I mean when you get the notification that says you have enough battery to get to the next destination I’ll go 10 percent over whatever percentage where at. By doing this I arrive with usually 10-20 percent. I think lowest was 9 percent. My vehicle is blacked out. Black rims, black paint, side windows are 25 percent tint, front windshield is 30 percent tint I have a roof cover that keeps sunlight from beaming through the glass roof. I put this cover up during road trips and whenever summer hits in Florida. Summers in Florida gets HOT. Doing a lot of mountain driving in Colorado and iv been charging as much as I can. Unfortunately my wife’s family doesn’t have a fast charger so iv been using the super charger here to charge up to 80 percent and then charging over night with the 12 volt charger (usually get 60 miles overnight only) so I’m never able to get a full battery. That being said. Cara been great. Love it don’t regret bringing this over a gas car. Requires a bit more planning for example tomorrow we are doing 150 miles through some mountain so I charged up to 270 miles at the super charger and now will let the remaining amount charge over night so in the morning I have a full battery to work with. This is new territory so I’m playing it safe and over charging imo. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Took our Mercedes’ suv to Michigan from Tampa and that ran me 600 dollars in gas one way? That was a few years back so don’t quote me but it was some stupid number. But the reason I’m saying this is because from Florida to Colorado which is a thousand miles more then florida to Detroit. It only cost me 200 bucks. 😆. Love how cheap and relaxing this trip was. Sorry for the long message!
LOL! I’m a Virginian… we do ride the left lane a lot because our interstates are always so heavily-traveled. I-81 has some of the heaviest truck traffic in the country and I-95 is the most traveled in general.
My model y isn’t great either, if range is important then the model 3 is the best choice. My wife’s lifetime efficiency average in her rwd lfp model 3 is 119%\ 116wh per km. on highway trips she always averages between 126% and 163% efficiency.
the epa wltp range is not advertisement, thats a standard of which the manufacturer has no say over, it is there to compare. just with the range in traditional vehicles, this range is not achieved normally.
You used about 54 kWh and 91% of your battery. If I am doing the math right your battery is showing 59-60 kWh usable when full? That can't be right since your battery new should be about 78-79 kWh usable. That's huge degradation.. interested to see a battery test. Thoughts on this?
I get the range issue, I have a 3 & a Y, I find in the summer with AC and my led foot I get less mileage. Testing this at 60 MPH I get very close to advertised. In winter it is worse as we should not drive without heat. But I love Tesla so much that this is not an issue for me as I leave home fully charged every morning with no worries at all. I have never seen a gas station in years and don't know what gas costs today. Road trips will require planning, but this will improve over time as the EV way of life matures.
@@aantonicbut charging stations will increase and improve, that is not a car dependency. Car software is always improving as well also improving the car over time.
@@aantonic not the same as patches. These are updates that add functionality and improvements of existing functionality also fix the so called recalls by changing code. Just not the same as patching.
Avg speed doesn't tell full story, the acceleration consumes a lot of power. To get max range, you need to do very slow acceleration and less regenerate breaking
With 2 adults 3 kids on flat road with 70 MPH cruising speed steadily, cabin climate management is off, 43 psi tire pressure, weather 65F, day time I am getting 310 Watt hours/ mile. Measured by driving 160 miles straight. My car is 2023 MY long range, no additional accessories outside of car added.
My y 307.52 mile range minus 20 percent of top range minus 20 percent of bottom range so 307 minus 40 percent equals 184 miles and I get 70 percent of that equals 130 that sucks
lol. Of course it's bad range. The technology along with the affordability isn't anywhere near a decent gas milage automobile. Let's use the Tesla model 3 LR which is there cheapest long range go getter. This car costs brand new with basically no options about 49,000 dollars. In Arizona out the door price would be about 53,000. Let's compare that to a nissan versa sr. Yes, a nissan versa sr is not the car a Tesla 3 is with all the bells and whistles but this video and conversation is about range, as pretty much the vast majority of them are on youtube. A fully loaded versa sr which is no slouch when it comes to bells and whistles in and of itself goes for about 23,000. Out the door pricing in Arizona would put it at about 25,000. That's a difference of 28,000 dollars. How much gas can you purchase for 28,000 dollars?! Better yet, what can somebody do with an extra 28,000 thousand dollars?! But I digress, driving 15,000 miles in a year NOT using a supercharger would cost about 450 in electricity for the model 3 LR. It would cost about 1,950 to fuel up the versa at 5.00 a gallon. That's a difference of 1,500 dollars. 1,500 X 10 years is 15,000. So in 10 years when both cars have 150,000 miles on them somebody driving an ICE would still have almost 10 years to go before they were at the break even price of the Tesla. But this isn't exactly true, in reality, the insurance and the registration on a Tesla will be much more expensive then the versa for the life of the car year in and year out. This cost will be about half the amount, thousands of dollars. Financing the car? It will be about half the amount again (thousands of dollars). But what about the dreaded maintenance cost of an ICE? It's expected that a versa owner will spend about 5,500 dollars in 10 years on maintenance. The model 3? About 3,500. So that's a 2,000 dollar difference over 10 years. Then there's this, if you were to put 28,000 in a simple interest bearing account and only got back 3% after 10 years you would have about 9,500 dollars. In 20 years? 22,500, that's compound interest at work and it's almost the entire price of the nissan versa you paid for 20 years ago. Let's discuss range, the versa's fuel capacity is 11 gallons, fill up the tank and you can hop right in the car without putting some stupid aero caps on or worrying about the roof racks and drive at a constant speed with serious elevation gains and 20 mph winds at 70 mph for about 375 miles. Light wind and mild elevation gains? About 425 miles. About to run out of fuel? You don't need to plan were your next charging station is just jump off at the next exit, fill up in about 15 minutes, stretch your legs, get something to drink in the store if you wish and you are right back on your way. Try that with a Tesla. From 0-100% at a supercharger takes over an hour and it ain't free. It'll cost you 20-25 bucks to add just 250 miles of range of course for the 3 LR it will be even more than that. So now on your trips across the U.S. that don't take you back home like here, the price to charge your tesla just went up dramatically. You just added to the cost of ownership. And let's not forget that using a supercharger in the first place is hard on your battery and is not recommend with any frequency. Then there's battery degradation which needs to be factored in. When these cars or any electric cars come close to mimicking what something very affordable and much smarter to own such as the versa then we will have something.
Gjeebs/ great info, we are in Glendale Az for the week and wanted to explore somewhere new. We are taking the green canyon train ride tomorrow with Jerome and cottonwood too-. Any good hiking trails in the area? We rented a 2022 model 3 performance for the week
AC at full blast and high speed driving around 70 to 80 gonna reduce your range by like 50 or 70 miles.. I got a model 3 long range.. and with a speed of 60mph and AC either off or at 1 speed I can get 351 mile range out of the 358 I’m sure it could do more then 358 if I don’t use Santry mode.. I have on in public places..
Rated Range is defined using specific conditions. I believe 74 mph, flat, no wind, certainly no luggage carrier on the rooftop, are some of the conditions.
Was happy to see your emotional side there for a while. I also choke up when I talk about my daughters or even telling them I love you when looking at their eyes. You gained a subscriber!
I bought a tesla for daily in town use not traveling. Just so a little homework and you wont be surprised. Also that VA driver was passing the other vehicle just not as fast to your standard. Also take the roof rack off if you are not using it.
The same things that affect the range in an EV also affect the mileage on a ICE car, and vice-versa. However, when you need to refill an ICE car, it takes 5/10 minutes, you can fill it completely and have another full tank of range. EVs, according to the recommendations, you should let it go to 10-20% and charge it to 80%, which gives you less range than the maximum.
ICE is more efficient in challenging environments vs EV. My EV will use significantly more power then my ICE in equivalent challenging areas, like hills.
@@caingalata4132 That's not true at all. ICE engines are around 20-30% efficient at best , while electric motors are above 90%. The battery and the weight are the limiting factors , not efficiency.
Tip of the year for Gjeebs...wait for it...here it comes...When you want to collapse (or expand) the turns on the navigation, you don't have to swipe up (I used to do that all the time) you just tap the top of the guidance...in your case the tap the 18 miles N Fain Road....instead of "Up, Up at 6:00"
I own a Model 3 and what most people don't take into consideration is how your car has to turn on when it's left out in the heat for long periods with takes energy from the car. Great video and beautiful family.
Hey i have a question i have the 2023 model y LR and i just got out of a supercharger and charged at 100% and got only 318 miles i thought this car should of gotten 330 miles like it states on the website you have any info on this ?
I just saw an add where they say teslas over tue air update have decreased the range on model s so i am wondering if they decreased my range on my model y 🤔
I think people need to understand that EV is not for everyone. People that like to do road trips should reconsider or adjust and accept the inconveniences of EV and road trips. I bought a model y because we mostly do short trips and local errands. If we had longer trips in our plans, I would buy a Plug in hybrid (rav4 prime) or a hybrid. Heck, if I lived in places where gasoline was cheap, I would consider diesel. Buying an EV and making videos about range anxiety is the same as buying a wedding shoe and using it for hiking. It will work, but it's gonna be painful. The technology is just not there yet. Eventually we will have 10 min fast charging, 600 miles range. But we are at least a decade away from that.
ahahha. With the curse of twins, I had 3 kids in diapers at the same time, and I was only 20, making 10 an hour. You don't know what a hell morning is.
Another great video. Got a used model 3 last year. How long is the train ride? Going to NM this summer from Los Angeles....would love to taek the kdis!
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Thanks for the video but after what I just saw, I doubt I'm going to order a Tesla anytime soon. You confirmed Reuters' recent report that Teslas have been misreporting their range estimates.
Power usage due to air drag is proportional to speed squared, so going 80 instead of65 mph uses about 50% more power. True for gas cars too.
this is correct
Yup. When I was meeting up with a group of EV owners for a cool road trip for desert wild flowers I stopped at a SC to add some range. When I pulled in a tow truck had a Model Y at 90 degrees to parking direction so blocking four or five chargers. Turns out the driver had plenty of range to drop a passenger at the airport and get back home . But that was at EPA rated range. She drove 85 mph up and down hills and ran out of juice less than a mile from the Super Charger. I don't drive like Gjeebs and would have made the whole trip portal to portal without charging at either a SC or level two. Not bragging here just pointing out there are different choices. Personally if I wanted to drive 80mph I likely would have added kWhs at the first charger they passed. From there there is no stress for the rest of the journey. I think having been through Jerome that you could make it back down the hill with more range than when you started up initially. The key is to go up at 10% below the posted speed limit.
Word has it ICE cars become more efficient when under load (driving faster), so the story is a bit different
@@abraxastulammo9940 Not that kind of partial load, not pass the threshold where you start getting advantages.
my now former hybrid suv similar size to the model Y, gets 38mpg around town
at 60-65mph about 36-38mpg
at 70-72 gets about 32mpg
at 77-80 gets about 27-28mpg
Congrats on the young one, Gjeebs!!
Thank you very much!
I sold my Tesla S and bought a TeslaY lr with of course white seats and am very happy with the car. Norway
Norway is an amazing place to own an EV. You must get excellent range at the lower speeds.
I just bought the model y in Norway 20 minutts ago
@@Duerdeilig try to sell it next year, jhahaha
@@aantonic here we are😂😂😂🤣
can’t wait to pick up model y long range awd in early september 😊
As mentioned with roof rack and wheels having a 20inch diameter being a contributing factor, the Aero Dynamics of the wheel plays a bigger role than most people think. Looks like you have aftermarket rims, with the wheels spinning full time, it is creating drag and a lot of it. I have the 19inch Geminis with aftermarket Aero Hub kit, proving to provide more efficiency than even the Stock Aero Kit. By estimates, another 15mile range over the course of 300miles on avg. Again, this is just adding proper Aero Hub Covers.
Where did you those aero hub covers ?
@@Rockster1989Amazon
Great video, Thanks!
Really appreciate that!
I just did a 233 mile same day out and back in my dual motor Model Y Long Range. I got 245 Wh/mile (with headwinds and crosswinds going, and no winds coming back because the wind had died off, air conditioner on a nice cool 71F, 19 inch wheels) and that implies a range of 306 miles. I couldn't be more pleased
I just bought a dual LR Y and cruise at 70 car was burning energy at over 310 kw which is freaking me out because my model 3 can do the same and use about 235 kw
@@jollyrodger1537 I don't know if 235 kW is normal or not for the 3. Sounds really low. But 310 kW is not that abnormal under certain conditions. I drove 51 miles yesterday in mixed driving and got 293 kW for the day. It wasn't that cold, but I had snow tires on, with the heat set at 72F.
@@777Outriggerif your boss pays you 30 percent less of your usual salary you will be ecstatic? 😂
@@TonyMiguel-ko7cz My fueling costs for my Model Y are 75% less than the similar sized gas car it replaced in the summer, and 67% less in the winter. Plus no oil changes, no transmission fluid changes, no spark plug changes, brakes last 200,000 miles because most braking is done by regen not friction brakes, etc., etc. My running costs are much lower in my Tesla, and yes I am ecstatic about that! .
The roof rack, 20 inch wheels and the highway speeds over 80mph trash your range. You could have chosen to remove your roof rack, put on those 19’s and kept your speed to a more leisurely 70 mph or less. You would.d have easily made the round trip without the need for supercharging. Also we plan stops with destination chargers installed. Make life easy.
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So true
Omg. I feel like an idiot. I really thought she was your sister. Been gone a while
u meant he could compromise
@@stankitzz no he meant if you fuck around you find out 😂
Interstate highway signs need to indicate exits where superchargers are located. Similar to the signs that Shia lodging, fuel, food etc.
I think that will start to happen. I've seen a few
They do in California for ev stations
Why? The car tells you what to do. Just as had they mapped their trip on their car, they'd have been given a better plan than the ignorant one they put together for themselves. If they wanted their car to save them from their own disinterest in understanding what they were doing, they had to get its advice by asking it what to do. They didn't, and they got burned. Maybe next time they'll read the manual and/or get advice from someone with more experienced. Maybe not. Depends on how smart they are, and whether they learn from their mistakes.
When the wife is right, she’s right……Correct Jamie @ 6:18 we rather see you! 😂
From Walnut Creek Ca to San diego ~ 500 miles. Took the 5 all the way. Had to stop 4 times to recharge. ~15 min each each charge. 2022 Model Y LR
So practically you got 170 miles between each charge
@@avvarutheja just about so
Too many stops for me. I would say 2 at the most. You could've gotten there 30 mins sooner and with kids even better.
@Hang Nguyen then you need either lucid car or gas car
You can definitely drive that distance and charge just once.
I am someone that has decided to go on a renting challenge through HERTZ. I am a gold member and the manager at my local Hertz told me that he could basically get any variant of model three or model Y that I needed. So after six months, I’ve rented a standard range Tesla model 3, Standard Range Tesla model, Y, Long Range, Tesla model 3 Long Range, Tesla model Y Long Range. I have to say the model 3 Long Range Dual Motor 2022 model was by far my most favorite Tesla. The sheer power of the vehicle combined with 358 miles of range, reduced my range, anxiety by a metric ton. There is absolutely nothing I do not like about this model of Tesla in this configuration. The Tesla model Y long range would be my second pic. The model Y long range had less range than the model three long range. Model Y was also heavier so 0 to 60 times were slightly less. I was able to rent these Tesla’s for anywhere from $38 a day to $52 a day. Considering the amount of gas you do not have to buy it makes it well worth it to rent a Tesla and for that matter buy a Tesla!
If Tesla's upgrade of the Model 3 includes switching to a lift gate in the rear they will sell a _ _ _ _ ton of them. Why? It will improve the efficiency a good 100%. Example, watching a customer load an armchair into the rear of his new Ionic 5. Many people, like myself, will still buy Ys because of the added space. But the 3 might become the fourth best selling vehicle on the planet. More space, crazy good range and less money to own.
I bought a 2022 long range model 3 with 30k miles for 38k. Love this car and I got a solid deal
I did the same thing. Rented a lot of Teslas thru Hertz. It only cost me $30 to $50 per day. It’s a great way to try them all out. The Model 3 is definitely my favorite.
@@vickykennel7414 dam dude really a Tesla hater
I recently rented a 3 from hertz. From Vegas-Death Valley-San Fran-San Diego l. The whole experience was awesome. I didn’t have too much charging anxiety, thanks to Teslas navigation system.
1:00 Italian I believe, not Spanish. And I'm assuming it makes it sound more special so they can charge more. 😄
Gjeebs, sport mode does *not* alter the ratio of the steering rack. (just the weighting)
One thing people don't realize is that the stated range for EV's are if they are charged to 100%. The recommended charging percentage to preserve maximum battery health is between 40% to 80%. So realistically if you were planning on taking a long trip you are able to charge to 100% at home before you start your trip. Once out on the road you are pretty much stuck to only charging up to 80% anyways because if etiquette or don't want to sit for the last 20% of which the charging slows down.
So take into consideration if you buy an EV that the real range is more realistically 20% less than what they state. And in cold climates it will be less also.
Exactly! I think it's false marketing to say these cars have 300 plus miles of range when they advise customers to not use that full range. Also, my MP3 at a 90% charge only shows 232-250 miles (depending on weather. Neither comes close to what Tesla advertises.
Train is also electric. Cool. I went from Heilbronn to Frankfurt in my Rented Model Y dual motor. Total distance was 149KM or about 90 miles. Charge went from 96-38 percent. Under 40 percent you are looking for a charger for sure. Cost will be around 40-50 bucks to charge it back up if you can find a charger. Not the same as in the states. Parking space is a hot commodity and any space has a car in it. Electric or not! Found a Edeka store with 10 stations to charge. Problem there is when the store closes, they put the gates down so you can not get in to charge or you will be trapped in if charging when they close. There is a Tesla dealer in town and they have the exact Tesla Y with a posted range of 433km? That has to be a in the city range. Like I said, we went 90 miles on a 96 percent charge and anyone in their right mind with 38 percent showing will start looking for a charge station. Ridiculous to say the least. These EV;s are nowhere near useful except in town for commuting. A 75k commuter car. Wow!! Love the power!!
3 people. The baby is light but baby gears :)
A/C, hills, hot tire psi, any customizations drawing more power, sentry/dash-cam(?), etc. Many reasons to explain factors for shorter range
Been to Jerome, AZ many times, it’s just down the road from me here in Flagstaff, and the road is STEEP! My Lexus SUV only gets 416 mi. range on a full tank, but only gets about 1/2 that, when we drive to Jerome. Buying a Model Y today, selling the o’l Lexus. Looking forward to all-EV!
Why is the seat so far forward?
Hahahahah that coffee blowout statement so true...... I'm so scared to even smell coffee if I have to go on a long road trip! 😅
Smoke’m while you gott’em. Enjoy the burgers & fried food while u can! Completed a 2K mile road trip a few weeks ago in our 22 M3. Car worked as designed. As an old engineer I always pad the car’s computed read out with a safety factor. Surplus charge is like money: It’s Always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Hi! I watched your video, and at 2:17, I noticed a Black disk w/cord and red lettering that looked like IE. What accessory is this?
We just got a model y in our family. Have to charge the thing every other day seemingly.
Not driving anywhere close to 300 miles. Ive seen a 6 mile round trip eat up 4% of the battery.
Ideal california conditions and chill mode acceleration.
Very cool car. The every other day charging and awful UI are really my only complaints.
I do hope it will last a while, we still have our 03 excursion v10 that handles all our towing needs
08 mustang 4.6 is what use for daily. I wonder if the model Y will still be working in 2039
Dude, you are one of the funniest TH-camrs I watch. Your subtle humor is MUCH appreciated. Haha
How's the comfort and noise on long road trips?
For sure speeds over 75 will kill your range. Just put it on ap and enjoy the ride.
What a spectacularly beautiful clear video with great sound!!!!!! Thank you for this road trip in your area. You know I will be in your area for a long road trip in another two weeks.
Yes! Finally a youtuber who doesn't say "left lane is the fast lane". It's exactly as you said it. "left lane is the passing lane". Doesn't matter if you are cruising at 100mph. If you are done passing, you move over to the right.
The only way we ever get close to EPA range is if we keep it below 65 mph which is not really possible these days. Thanks for the video.
Yea it's extremely hard
My brother always decimates the range when he drives the Y.
I always tease him that he plays his music too loud and it's draining all the battery 😂
@@manz7860 LOL
You are not sure if there are chargers? Sooooo use the screen and check. Very easy to do.
Driving 100 mph would get you 100 miles or less. Not sure why Tesla doesn’t match the advertised range. 😅
Maybe because the advertised range is for 60 mph speeds ? 🤔
Just add a stop to your destination for the supercharger in Cordes Lakes after you leave Jerome Then you will know what your battery life will be when you get there.
Mpg ratings are out of date and so thus as are EV ratings since they calculate off of mpg. Mpg ratings are based off of 55 miles per hour of which was the average speed limit decades ago. Now the average speed limits are between 65-70. So in reality 55 no longer applies as you are not able to drive that much slower than the speed limit without getting ticketed or causing road rage. Highway mpg ratings need to be adjusted using 65 mph.
It's the lactose dude! There straight black coffee at McDonald's is the deal.. ;)
"might make me blow out"!!! hahah had me bent over! lol
316 miles is EPA rated for 65 mph highway driving, so driving at 82 mph you'll be using 26% more energy and at 85 mph, 31% more.
Checks out with your real world range: adjusting for 82 mph driving, expected range is 199 miles so 94%->3% is 91% of 199 miles = 181 miles.
The tyres and roof rack probably account for the bulk of remaining losses as you mentioned.
Great video, fun family trip and real world charging explanation.
AVG speed going there was 66mph
@@Gjeebs more like 76! lol! You're flying man!
@@Gjeebs Ah ok, so then the additional losses from the roof rack are probably more significant, especially at higher speeds.
Example scenario where the average speed is still 66 mph and yet the energy expended due to some higher speed accounts for the higher overall range loss (in brackets is the EPA energy rate multiple due to drag increasing with the square of the speed):
70 minutes @ 82 mph (1.59x)
30 minutes @ 76 mph (1.37x)
30 minutes @ 55 mph (0.72x)
30 minutes @ 30 mph (0.21x)
Average speed: 66 mph
Total EPA Range used: 227 miles
Actual distance travelled: 176 miles
Epa driving averages on highway closer to 35
@@lespaulranger hi, 35 what? I checked the official EPA test cycles and it looks like they don't drive at a constant speed. Average speed goes from 21.2 mph for City, A/C and Cold Temp test cycles, to 48.4 mph for the Highway and High Speed test cycles. Then they multiply range by a fudge factor of 0.7 to estimate real-world range.
So i don't know why I thought the Tesla range estimates were done using a constant 65 mph. Maybe that's just what makes sense based on real world driving at 65 mph usually achieving Tesla's predicted range on an average summer's day.
Starbucks uses Italian for the names, not Spanish. Italy is known for good coffee, as Howard Schultz discovered in 1983 when he visited.
That chair is my number one recommendation for new parents, life changing
Currently In Colorado typing this.
Drove our 2022 model Y long range 20 inch wheels from Tampa Florida to Denver Colorado. Roughly 1900 miles each way. We custom ordered this vehicle. Also got the fsd subscription for this trip and I think it’s pretty useless. The regular cruise control is more then good enough and for future road trips I probably won’t be subscribing as it’s not needed.
I have my settings set to sport and aggressive acceleration. I’ll charge 5-10 percent over if I plan on being under 80 mph or less on the freeway. During our sprint through Kansas it was dead and empty and I had active cruise set to 85mph as that’s the max and charged 10 percent over recommended amount at the very least. When I say recommended amount I mean when you get the notification that says you have enough battery to get to the next destination I’ll go 10 percent over whatever percentage where at. By doing this I arrive with usually 10-20 percent. I think lowest was 9 percent.
My vehicle is blacked out.
Black rims, black paint, side windows are 25 percent tint, front windshield is 30 percent tint I have a roof cover that keeps sunlight from beaming through the glass roof. I put this cover up during road trips and whenever summer hits in Florida. Summers in Florida gets HOT.
Doing a lot of mountain driving in Colorado and iv been charging as much as I can. Unfortunately my wife’s family doesn’t have a fast charger so iv been using the super charger here to charge up to 80 percent and then charging over night with the 12 volt charger (usually get 60 miles overnight only) so I’m never able to get a full battery. That being said. Cara been great. Love it don’t regret bringing this over a gas car. Requires a bit more planning for example tomorrow we are doing 150 miles through some mountain so I charged up to 270 miles at the super charger and now will let the remaining amount charge over night so in the morning I have a full battery to work with. This is new territory so I’m playing it safe and over charging imo. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
Took our Mercedes’ suv to Michigan from Tampa and that ran me 600 dollars in gas one way? That was a few years back so don’t quote me but it was some stupid number. But the reason I’m saying this is because from Florida to Colorado which is a thousand miles more then florida to Detroit. It only cost me 200 bucks. 😆. Love how cheap and relaxing this trip was. Sorry for the long message!
You always crack me up at least once per video! A stand-up (or is that sit-down) comedian in a Tesla.
Thank you for the link and info. can you share your add-on device like head-up display on how you connect it.
what's that thing behind your steering wheel?
You know you can recharge it right?
LOL! I’m a Virginian… we do ride the left lane a lot because our interstates are always so heavily-traveled. I-81 has some of the heaviest truck traffic in the country and I-95 is the most traveled in general.
Love your humor man. Dry as the desert. Love it
Yup that's what I had noticed on my Model 3 LR as well. If you drive uphill, the battery will deplete in a couple of hours or less.
“176 range out of that charge”
94%
Did you buy the shirt on Amazon? Lol I have the same shirt. Nice taste.
My model y isn’t great either, if range is important then the model 3 is the best choice.
My wife’s lifetime efficiency average in her rwd lfp model 3 is 119%\ 116wh per km. on highway trips she always averages between 126% and 163% efficiency.
the epa wltp range is not advertisement, thats a standard of which the manufacturer has no say over, it is there to compare.
just with the range in traditional vehicles, this range is not achieved normally.
You used about 54 kWh and 91% of your battery. If I am doing the math right your battery is showing 59-60 kWh usable when full? That can't be right since your battery new should be about 78-79 kWh usable. That's huge degradation.. interested to see a battery test. Thoughts on this?
The tires wear out twice as fast as well
Hi love the channel what is that device behind the steering wheel with a red M on it ?
It's this: Teslogics: lddy.no/1ecay
Code: Gjeebs
She’s right you know. We all want to see more Jamie!❤
Agree
Lately, Georgians driving in Florida are back-asswards about the left lane as well.
I get the range issue, I have a 3 & a Y, I find in the summer with AC and my led foot I get less mileage. Testing this at 60 MPH I get very close to advertised. In winter it is worse as we should not drive without heat. But I love Tesla so much that this is not an issue for me as I leave home fully charged every morning with no worries at all. I have never seen a gas station in years and don't know what gas costs today. Road trips will require planning, but this will improve over time as the EV way of life matures.
ev will mature, but not your ev. You will have to buy a new MATURE ev in the future.... so smart people are still waiting
@@aantonicbut charging stations will increase and improve, that is not a car dependency. Car software is always improving as well also improving the car over time.
@@thomashammel524 same Windows updates slowing your pc down ....ups making work better
@@aantonic not the same as patches. These are updates that add functionality and improvements of existing functionality also fix the so called recalls by changing code. Just not the same as patching.
whats the little red thing behind your steering wheel..?
Any car gets terrible range at 80 mph. Drive 70 and it dramatically improves!
Not really
Not true mate. I did a road trip from Connecticut to New Orleans in my BMW X3. Sometimes go beyond 90mph n didnt see a thing.
But then what’s the point if you’re getting this thing to have fun. These things need another 2-300 miles of range to satisfy most people.
Which baby seat mirror are you using? Struggling to find one for my model 3
How fast were you traveling? Speed impacts range big time.
avg 66mph
Avg speed doesn't tell full story, the acceleration consumes a lot of power. To get max range, you need to do very slow acceleration and less regenerate breaking
With 2 adults 3 kids on flat road with 70 MPH cruising speed steadily, cabin climate management is off, 43 psi tire pressure, weather 65F, day time I am getting 310 Watt hours/ mile. Measured by driving 160 miles straight. My car is 2023 MY long range, no additional accessories outside of car added.
If you were going an avg of 66mph then you must have been going 75-85mph for that high of an avg. or are you just guessing that’s your avg?
@@CB-bi1be I think this guy just wanted to make a video with a controversial title😊
Jamie; “ I’m not paid enough “ !! 😂😂
I don't mind driving my ev, but refuse to do math on a road trip or vacation. My 2nd is a Ford Maverick hybrid. 🙂
My y 307.52 mile range minus 20 percent of top range minus 20 percent of bottom range so 307 minus 40 percent equals 184 miles and I get 70 percent of that equals 130 that sucks
Just get Toyota RAV 4 Prime or Toyota Crown Hybrid Max and call it a day.
I thought it is 300+ range, false advertisement. Tesla owners should collectivelly sue Tesla and Elon. I never get close to 200 miles range on my MYP.
Starbucks used Italian, not Spanish for drink size. Venti means 20 in Italian.
lol. Of course it's bad range. The technology along with the affordability isn't anywhere near a decent gas milage automobile.
Let's use the Tesla model 3 LR which is there cheapest long range go getter. This car costs brand new with basically no options about 49,000 dollars. In Arizona out the door price would be about 53,000. Let's compare that to a nissan versa sr. Yes, a nissan versa sr is not the car a Tesla 3 is with all the bells and whistles but this video and conversation is about range, as pretty much the vast majority of them are on youtube.
A fully loaded versa sr which is no slouch when it comes to bells and whistles in and of itself goes for about 23,000. Out the door pricing in Arizona would put it at about 25,000. That's a difference of 28,000 dollars. How much gas can you purchase for 28,000 dollars?! Better yet, what can somebody do with an extra 28,000 thousand dollars?! But I digress, driving 15,000 miles in a year NOT using a supercharger would cost about 450 in electricity for the model 3 LR. It would cost about 1,950 to fuel up the versa at 5.00 a gallon. That's a difference of 1,500 dollars. 1,500 X 10 years is 15,000. So in 10 years when both cars have 150,000 miles on them somebody driving an ICE would still have almost 10 years to go before they were at the break even price of the Tesla.
But this isn't exactly true, in reality, the insurance and the registration on a Tesla will be much more expensive then the versa for the life of the car year in and year out. This cost will be about half the amount, thousands of dollars. Financing the car? It will be about half the amount again (thousands of dollars). But what about the dreaded maintenance cost of an ICE? It's expected that a versa owner will spend about 5,500 dollars in 10 years on maintenance. The model 3? About 3,500. So that's a 2,000 dollar difference over 10 years. Then there's this, if you were to put 28,000 in a simple interest bearing account and only got back 3% after 10 years you would have about 9,500 dollars. In 20 years? 22,500, that's compound interest at work and it's almost the entire price of the nissan versa you paid for 20 years ago.
Let's discuss range, the versa's fuel capacity is 11 gallons, fill up the tank and you can hop right in the car without putting some stupid aero caps on or worrying about the roof racks and drive at a constant speed with serious elevation gains and 20 mph winds at 70 mph for about 375 miles. Light wind and mild elevation gains? About 425 miles. About to run out of fuel? You don't need to plan were your next charging station is just jump off at the next exit, fill up in about 15 minutes, stretch your legs, get something to drink in the store if you wish and you are right back on your way. Try that with a Tesla. From 0-100% at a supercharger takes over an hour and it ain't free.
It'll cost you 20-25 bucks to add just 250 miles of range of course for the 3 LR it will be even more than that. So now on your trips across the U.S. that don't take you back home like here, the price to charge your tesla just went up dramatically. You just added to the cost of ownership. And let's not forget that using a supercharger in the first place is hard on your battery and is not recommend with any frequency. Then there's battery degradation which needs to be factored in. When these cars or any electric cars come close to mimicking what something very affordable and much smarter to own such as the versa then we will have something.
Spanish. Italian. Starbucks. Same thing 😂😂😂😂
Gjeebs/ great info, we are in Glendale Az for the week and wanted to explore somewhere new. We are taking the green canyon train ride tomorrow with Jerome and cottonwood too-. Any good hiking trails in the area? We rented a 2022 model 3 performance for the week
Resale value of a Tesla with Pee is not good 🙂
Highway driving in Virginia is a nightmare, left lane squatters are the standard, not the exception.
i ordered my Model Y last week they say it will be in Hawaii in June but not counting on it
AC at full blast and high speed driving around 70 to 80 gonna reduce your range by like 50 or 70 miles.. I got a model 3 long range.. and with a speed of 60mph and AC either off or at 1 speed I can get 351 mile range out of the 358 I’m sure it could do more then 358 if I don’t use Santry mode.. I have on in public places..
Tested a etron. Mice’s but the frunk is ridiculous small.
Rated Range is defined using specific conditions. I believe 74 mph, flat, no wind, certainly no luggage carrier on the rooftop, are some of the conditions.
Rated range / aka lies
Why not using Autopilot?
Was happy to see your emotional side there for a while. I also choke up when I talk about my daughters or even telling them I love you when looking at their eyes.
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Yea being a parent will do that to you. You just love them so much
I'm going to buy a model Y this fall. Got to say, I really enjoy your videos. Keep them coming!
Don’t if you do road trips
Range is fine. I hate doing marathon drives without stopping anyway.
You should get a model S man. Its very very effecient compared to my Model 3 performance.
I bought a tesla for daily in town use not traveling. Just so a little homework and you wont be surprised. Also that VA driver was passing the other vehicle just not as fast to your standard. Also take the roof rack off if you are not using it.
The same things that affect the range in an EV also affect the mileage on a ICE car, and vice-versa.
However, when you need to refill an ICE car, it takes 5/10 minutes, you can fill it completely and have another full tank of range.
EVs, according to the recommendations, you should let it go to 10-20% and charge it to 80%, which gives you less range than the maximum.
ICE is more efficient in challenging environments vs EV. My EV will use significantly more power then my ICE in equivalent challenging areas, like hills.
@@caingalata4132 That's not true at all. ICE engines are around 20-30% efficient at best , while electric motors are above 90%. The battery and the weight are the limiting factors , not efficiency.
Tip of the year for Gjeebs...wait for it...here it comes...When you want to collapse (or expand) the turns on the navigation, you don't have to swipe up (I used to do that all the time) you just tap the top of the guidance...in your case the tap the 18 miles N Fain Road....instead of "Up, Up at 6:00"
I own a Model 3 and what most people don't take into consideration is how your car has to turn on when it's left out in the heat for long periods with takes energy from the car.
Great video and beautiful family.
Thank you for reminding me why I didn’t order the white. There are too many bugs in Pa.
Really fun video, thanks for sharing. Loved the Willy Wonka re-creation 🤙
Is it something wrong with her left eye?
Can’t believe a dude just looked over to see you doing a blowout. Happy to see the train blowout area as well. Very detailed. 😂😂
No respect!
He was probably checking for something dead in there 😂
I can't believe anyone uses a HWY rest stop rest room. OK maybe to pee. Period.
the range like all cars is based on going 55 mph,, not over 80 mph lol
Hey i have a question i have the 2023 model y LR and i just got out of a supercharger and charged at 100% and got only 318 miles i thought this car should of gotten 330 miles like it states on the website you have any info on this ?
It will fluctuate. Do you have the 20" wheels? If so 318 is the rated range
@@Gjeebs no i have the gemini wheels
I just saw an add where they say teslas over tue air update have decreased the range on model s so i am wondering if they decreased my range on my model y 🤔
@@Yasermiami keep buying Tesla.... good for you, heheh. I drive over 1000km with only one tank of diesel, yeah u heard it right
I think people need to understand that EV is not for everyone. People that like to do road trips should reconsider or adjust and accept the inconveniences of EV and road trips.
I bought a model y because we mostly do short trips and local errands. If we had longer trips in our plans, I would buy a Plug in hybrid (rav4 prime) or a hybrid. Heck, if I lived in places where gasoline was cheap, I would consider diesel.
Buying an EV and making videos about range anxiety is the same as buying a wedding shoe and using it for hiking. It will work, but it's gonna be painful.
The technology is just not there yet. Eventually we will have 10 min fast charging, 600 miles range. But we are at least a decade away from that.
Tesla is notorious for 5-10 percent lower range than stated. No surprise here
54kWh using 91% of the battery means that you only have 59kWh usable?! That 10kWh less than my 2021 MY with 52k miles… 🤔🤔 and 15kWh less then when new
This is still efficient in my opinion. not sure why this is perceived as bad range
300 miles advertised and 176 real world miles. Real bummer!! At least they have a lot of chargers. I will keep my tesla stock for now.
i have MYP23,303 ad but 240 in real. then it will go down to 190s when i am driving 90MPH 😅
ahahha. With the curse of twins, I had 3 kids in diapers at the same time, and I was only 20, making 10 an hour. You don't know what a hell morning is.
God bless you
Jerome is a cool spot. Only been there once but would go again and skip the burger spot.
terrible range. I bought model y SR with Byd blades... now even when driving in cities the range is terrible. I hate this.
Another great video. Got a used model 3 last year. How long is the train ride? Going to NM this summer from Los Angeles....would love to taek the kdis!
The train ride is 4 hours round trip. I bet they would love it
Hey Ben it's Nate from high school I like your video bye
Hey Nate, thanks for checking in