Since a lot of us can't escape the curse of terrible manga ending, here's a list of series (manga or anime) i think have a decent to genuienly amazing ending that i believe most people would enjoy A Silent Voice Akira (manga) Assassination Classroom Chainsaw Man (Part 1) Cowbow Bebop Cyberpunk Edgerunners Darker than black (season 1) Death Note Death Parade Fate/Zero Fruits Baskets Fullmetal Alchemist (Brotherhood and manga) Hellsing (Ultimate and manga) Hell's Paradise Horimiya Mob Psycho 100 Nausicaa and the valley of the wind (manga) Nier Autonata Ver 1.1a Pandora Hearts (manga) Psycho pass (season 1) ReLIFE (manga) Spice and wolf (manga) Stein's Gate Summer Ghost Summertime rendering The Garden of Sinners The Tatami Galaxy Tokyo Ghoul and Tokyo Ghoul:Re (manga) Trigun and Trigun Maximum (manga) Violet Evergaden (anime and movie 1) Vivy Fluorite Eye's Song
@@Mia-nk1kg I believe that the way it ended in both the anime and manga fits the story and characters Two different takes for people who wanted to see two different directions on Lights downfall i wont deny that the quality took a dip at the midpoint, but there is still some aspects of the second half that is genuinely well written and it doesn't deserve the hate it got just because it replaced a more beloved characters story.
@@kermitwithamustache3885 I completely agree with your perspective. The conclusion of Death Note stirred up quite a commotion when it was initially released. It’s like how AOT’s ending was believed to be garbage until the anime.
@@Kuudere-Kun It all depends on your writing style really. Some writers have to outline everything and others might outline the bare minimum and start drafting. It's often referred to as Plotter or Pantser. Though it's more of a spectrum then a duality. Neither is "best", both approaches have pros and cons. Plotting saves time in the long run because you have to edit and rewrite less, but it can make the story less organic. Pantsing can give the story a more organic feel, and requires less initial time to start, but often requires much more editing and rewriting. Pantsing isn't a great method for serials though because it require a lot of editing and rewriting from the start of the story which isn't possible when you publish daily/weekly/monthly. All in all though it depends on what kind of story and format you're writing and your preferences as a writer.
@Kuudere-Kun i think its good to write as you go along. But no matter what, always have a clear ending in mind as you write along towards the ending. If you dont have a clear ending, the story wouldnt have a clear direction, but hey thats just my opinion
sometimes it can’t be helped because editors and publishers may force the authors to make enormous changes to the story, for better or for worse. jjk for example and even naruto (editor was how sasuke was created)
@@chirantanroy1323 I disagree I found the themes of the series to be brilliantly portrayed , and how the writing improves massively with each part is very endearing to read trough
@@kermitwithamustache3885 Eh, I'd argue [Spoilers] I didn't really like part 8's ending, we never know what happened to Holly afterwards. Did she die? Is she still in a coma? Is there a possibility for her to wake up? Does Josuke visit her? Part 5 was also kinda meh in my opinion, but that's because I do not believe Giorno is fit to be a gang leader nor do I think he deserves it.
There’s a reason jjba is a gigachad series, both in manga and anime form, araki makes a new story every arc to avoid burnout, and when he established himself enough, he moved to a monthly schedule, which made steel ball run literally only second best compared to berserk, and his endings basically always hit, even in the first part, which was pretty mid overall, and the ending of the third part was literally so good that literally everybody in the anime/manga community has seen the “oh? You’re approaching me?” Scene.
This would probably also explain why so many western superhero comics have uneven quality stories. Since aside from reboots, for the most part series like Superman or X-men have been around for decades and don't have endings, and have gone through countless writers who write uneven quality stories during their time on the series.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but apparently, mangaka need to inform their editors with an estimation on how many chapters they need for their ending ahead of time so they can schedule new series. Oftentimes, they underestimate how many chapters they need and endings get rushed to shit.
It’s literally inherent to the medium, weekly-release stories are going to incentivize chapter-by-chapter hype and cliffhangers over long-term buildup. Telling a story that is both exciting week to week *and* has amazing long-term payoff requires either excellent planning and the commitment to stick with that plan no matter what (incredibly difficult given the nature of storytelling), or requires the author to simply be able to make stuff up on the spot that just *works* (requires incredible skill and talent). Oftentimes what will happen is the author will have a rough idea for how they want to end a story, but the story ends up deviating from their original plans so they either have to try to make something up that they didn’t plan for, or try to railroad the story back to the original ending, neither of which usually turns out well.
I guess something that isn't talked much about now is how once a "shounen" anime adaptation is green-lit the mangaka is instructed to give the "date" in which the story must be concluded, this contrary to the topic of the video would be "artificially cutting the manga short", I wish someone could expand upon this topic, as I believe this has already been going on for some time.
According to Oshi no Ko, the mangaka may not be the force padding things. The editor's job-- according to Oshi No Ko is to keep them writing. So the mangaka may intend to shorten it, but the editor suggests that it's better longer.
something not mention here is that you also get pitful that as the manga quality start to drop the publisher seeing the trend will tell the writer/artist that it time to close up shop even if they are in a middle of an arc that does not was suppose to open up to better things. That tend to rush to an unplanned ending.
That's usually less about the publisher seeing a drop in quality and more about the publisher seeing a drop in *sales.* The two are of course connected, but if there's a drop in quality yet the sales remain good, the publisher's probably going to let them keep cooking (though perhaps with a tighter editorial leash). Rent-A-Girlfriend is an obvious example of that.
This also applies to television series in general. There are lots of great shows that tend to have less than stellar endings. The Sopranos, Lost, Dexter, Game of Thrones etc. In television’s case, they are constantly at risk of being canceled and as a result they usually never plan their endings until they are popular enough to be able to afford to do that. Comics also apply here too (look at how fans reacted when The Walking Dead’s and Invincible’s comics ended). But yeah, me personally, I don’t actually care all THAT much about endings. My standards are usually not that high and if your ending can contextualize the overall themes of the story and give some satisfying conclusion then that’s okay with me. For me I care more about the journey than the end most of the times. (Also I don’t actually find a lot of manga endings to be “terrible” or “bad” at all but I guess I just have shit taste and wouldn’t know a good or bad ending if it bit me lol).
People are going to have to really get used to bad endings because honestly... 3 of the longest running mangas will probably have TERRIBLE endings (one piece, detective Conan, and berserk) simply because they've been going for so long no ending will be satisfying enough.
I cannot process how I will feel if One Piece doesnt have a good ending. I haven’t been reading it for as long as some, but I have been reading for nearly 7 years now.
you should read Raw Hero if you want the Truth of what happened with Prison School's ending...... major hint here, Raw Hero literally starts with the publisher of Prison School getting bombed he never 'lost interesting', it was upper management sabotage. and the fact that he's currently collaborating with the BLUE LOCK mangaka means hes far from 'giving up on manga'.
I clicked on this video thinking of a different definition of "Bad Ending". I'm not inclined to agree with popular opinion on whether something became bad or not. Especially Rent-A-Girlfriend, season 3 is peak fiction, it should be required viewing for anyone wants to know what a good Dramatic Anime looks like. It absolutely does make "Progress" because the show is about more then just when will the main couple get together. There are however example of my actually disliking something only for the very end. Take Romeo x Juliet for example, it's only the last 2 out of 24 episodes I have any problem, for 22 episodes it was 10/10 material.
This is something I have lately figured out Fortunately I just started reading Manga Mostly to get away from my phone 😅 Knowing this, I'm researching which series to read
This is one of the main reason why I stop reading manga/anime in general. Visual Novel got routes, voiced, color, multiple happy ending, Fan-fic is also entertaining with MC interact with characters from multiple franchise. Personally, I consume media to be chill, entertain, rest my mind and be happy, positive vibe. Not so interest in depress/negative story.
when the world needed him most he returned* very good video pretty much I've grown to just hope the journey is atleast nailed a lot more then the ending cause even if the ending leaves me cold the journey can make up for it but naturally there's phases as you said where the ending not turning out good can be the culmination of a snowball effect tiny things building with time. Out of curiosity what are your thoughts on how megami no cafe is holding up currently? atm i think its tripping over itself and becoming pretty stagnant.
This video discounts that the top 100 is also composed of monthly series and that most of the "bad" endings typically tend to be a problem in shounen compared to other demographics. I could go on but to summarize, this is a pretty surface level way of viewing things
I think you really overstated your third point while ignoring a MASSIVE problem. I would also guess that you're a bit too focused on Shounen Jump type manga which while important are a small and unrepresentative fraction of the industry, as Shounen Jump is both known to be especially competitive (and therefore demanding) and particularly popular. That being said, this latter statement is more of a "vibes" based guess so I may be entirely wrong. I am much more sure though that the "I wanted to do something else so I dropped the quality here" is a phenomenon that happens and may even happen a lot but I doubt it's noticeable most of the time, let alone enough to really make for your average bad ending. No there is a much bigger issue that many many manga suffer from: Cancelation. (note: not talking about the "woke mob" type of cancellation, but rather the manga getting axed, perhaps due to not being popular enough). I'd wager some 70-80% of bad endings in manga come from manga just getting axed and either ending abruptly with no warning or having to rush an ending over a handful of chapters at most at an unexpected time.
I'm noticing Shonen mangas ending alot sooner. It seems Shonen jump is moving away from the 300+ chapter Shonen series. Both demon Slayer, death parade and jjk are under 300 chapters. I think they are seeing better results with shorter series.
The first anime that has a terrible ending this year is Date a Live I started to notice that the story was going too fast from season 3 and 4 and my god The season 5 was a complete waste and non sense in every way everything ended so suddenly I know that date a live was going to have a bad ending but my god The my hero academia and attack on titan endings are way better endings than everything in that series
Since a lot of us can't escape the curse of terrible manga ending, here's a list of series (manga or anime) i think have a decent to genuienly amazing ending that i believe most people would enjoy
A Silent Voice
Akira (manga)
Assassination Classroom
Chainsaw Man (Part 1)
Cowbow Bebop
Cyberpunk Edgerunners
Darker than black (season 1)
Death Note
Death Parade
Fate/Zero
Fruits Baskets
Fullmetal Alchemist (Brotherhood and manga)
Hellsing (Ultimate and manga)
Hell's Paradise
Horimiya
Mob Psycho 100
Nausicaa and the valley of the wind (manga)
Nier Autonata Ver 1.1a
Pandora Hearts (manga)
Psycho pass (season 1)
ReLIFE (manga)
Spice and wolf (manga)
Stein's Gate
Summer Ghost
Summertime rendering
The Garden of Sinners
The Tatami Galaxy
Tokyo Ghoul and Tokyo Ghoul:Re (manga)
Trigun and Trigun Maximum (manga)
Violet Evergaden (anime and movie 1)
Vivy Fluorite Eye's Song
Are you not there for the Death Note ending hate (or at least this who stopped Death Note in the middle of the show)
@@Mia-nk1kg I believe that the way it ended in both the anime and manga fits the story and characters
Two different takes for people who wanted to see two different directions on Lights downfall
i wont deny that the quality took a dip at the midpoint, but there is still some aspects of the second half that is genuinely well written and it doesn't deserve the hate it got just because it replaced a more beloved characters story.
@@kermitwithamustache3885 I completely agree with your perspective. The conclusion of Death Note stirred up quite a commotion when it was initially released.
It’s like how AOT’s ending was believed to be garbage until the anime.
@@kermitwithamustache3885 You forgotten The Legend of the Strongest, Kurosawa! and Billy Bat.
Billy Bat has such a beautiful ending.
Thoughts on Gantz ending ?
Was kinda fun watching the Jujutsu Kaisen fandom melt down as Gege's writing got increasingly unhinged
YOU ARE MY SPECIALZ, UWAWAWAW UWAWAWAWA UWAWAWA YOU ARE MY SPECIALZ
Them anaesthetics be hitting his brain hard
going by how season 2 ending with putting the most popular character in a box. can you blame the fan going meltdown?
@@Marveryn manga
yeah bro
As my highschool english teacher said, "begin with the end in mind"
Yeah that is bad advise actually, all my favorite stories on ones that wrote themselves as they went along.
@@Kuudere-Kun thats just you bro
@@Kuudere-Kun It all depends on your writing style really. Some writers have to outline everything and others might outline the bare minimum and start drafting. It's often referred to as Plotter or Pantser. Though it's more of a spectrum then a duality. Neither is "best", both approaches have pros and cons. Plotting saves time in the long run because you have to edit and rewrite less, but it can make the story less organic. Pantsing can give the story a more organic feel, and requires less initial time to start, but often requires much more editing and rewriting.
Pantsing isn't a great method for serials though because it require a lot of editing and rewriting from the start of the story which isn't possible when you publish daily/weekly/monthly. All in all though it depends on what kind of story and format you're writing and your preferences as a writer.
@Kuudere-Kun i think its good to write as you go along. But no matter what, always have a clear ending in mind as you write along towards the ending. If you dont have a clear ending, the story wouldnt have a clear direction, but hey thats just my opinion
sometimes it can’t be helped because editors and publishers may force the authors to make enormous changes to the story, for better or for worse. jjk for example and even naruto (editor was how sasuke was created)
Stone Ocean escapes bad endings but that was 20 years ago
JoJo?
Jojo fired 8 different shots and hit all 8 of them, wild that so many other writers can’t pull just one off
@@kermitwithamustache3885 But Jojo's story is mid
@@chirantanroy1323 I disagree
I found the themes of the series to be brilliantly portrayed , and how the writing improves massively with each part is very endearing to read trough
@@kermitwithamustache3885 Eh, I'd argue [Spoilers]
I didn't really like part 8's ending, we never know what happened to Holly afterwards. Did she die? Is she still in a coma? Is there a possibility for her to wake up? Does Josuke visit her? Part 5 was also kinda meh in my opinion, but that's because I do not believe Giorno is fit to be a gang leader nor do I think he deserves it.
There’s a reason jjba is a gigachad series, both in manga and anime form, araki makes a new story every arc to avoid burnout, and when he established himself enough, he moved to a monthly schedule, which made steel ball run literally only second best compared to berserk, and his endings basically always hit, even in the first part, which was pretty mid overall, and the ending of the third part was literally so good that literally everybody in the anime/manga community has seen the “oh? You’re approaching me?” Scene.
This would probably also explain why so many western superhero comics have uneven quality stories. Since aside from reboots, for the most part series like Superman or X-men have been around for decades and don't have endings, and have gone through countless writers who write uneven quality stories during their time on the series.
Exactly
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but apparently, mangaka need to inform their editors with an estimation on how many chapters they need for their ending ahead of time so they can schedule new series. Oftentimes, they underestimate how many chapters they need and endings get rushed to shit.
It’s literally inherent to the medium, weekly-release stories are going to incentivize chapter-by-chapter hype and cliffhangers over long-term buildup. Telling a story that is both exciting week to week *and* has amazing long-term payoff requires either excellent planning and the commitment to stick with that plan no matter what (incredibly difficult given the nature of storytelling), or requires the author to simply be able to make stuff up on the spot that just *works* (requires incredible skill and talent).
Oftentimes what will happen is the author will have a rough idea for how they want to end a story, but the story ends up deviating from their original plans so they either have to try to make something up that they didn’t plan for, or try to railroad the story back to the original ending, neither of which usually turns out well.
Monogatari could just end abruptly and I would still believe its peak. Great pfp by the way.
True, it is peak regardless.
Nisio Isin never fumbled an ending, and he could've had xD I think Monogatari is safe.
Why it shouldn't : Write the ending first then make the whole story around it.
Damnn.. so true bro. Great work! Liked and subscribed.
Bulls-fucking-eye about Aka Akasaka. Deadass the moment the last chapter dropped there were already announcements of him working on a new manga 😭😭
I guess something that isn't talked much about now is how once a "shounen" anime adaptation is green-lit the mangaka is instructed to give the "date" in which the story must be concluded, this contrary to the topic of the video would be "artificially cutting the manga short", I wish someone could expand upon this topic, as I believe this has already been going on for some time.
According to Oshi no Ko, the mangaka may not be the force padding things. The editor's job-- according to Oshi No Ko is to keep them writing. So the mangaka may intend to shorten it, but the editor suggests that it's better longer.
i might be glazing but USOGUI's ending was peak
something not mention here is that you also get pitful that as the manga quality start to drop the publisher seeing the trend will tell the writer/artist that it time to close up shop even if they are in a middle of an arc that does not was suppose to open up to better things. That tend to rush to an unplanned ending.
That's usually less about the publisher seeing a drop in quality and more about the publisher seeing a drop in *sales.* The two are of course connected, but if there's a drop in quality yet the sales remain good, the publisher's probably going to let them keep cooking (though perhaps with a tighter editorial leash). Rent-A-Girlfriend is an obvious example of that.
Coming back to this after the travesty that was the ending of Oshi No Ko. Your takes were spot on, I was just too high on copium to see it. 😢
Great vid as always man 👍🏽 also grand blue dreaming reference W
Yeah, especially with the way Oshi No Ko seems to be ending, DEFINITELY a major rushed disappointment!!!
Its really not that bad, could have been better for sure, but its not terrible, unlike jjk
Aqua's ending is pretty good
Rare times that its just complaining.
I just saw that it will end in 4 chapters...that's gonna be interesting :)
Bro it was already foreshadow how it aqua would die, so i wouldn't say the ending is disappointing tbh
2 most influential literature in Japan (Romance of Three Kingdom and Water Margin) have bad ending, yeah i think it tradition to have bad ending
Ye it would be bad story if they good ending
Welcome back goat🗿
AKA writers block
There is a small part of me that wishes Hunter X Hunter ended when Gon met his dad.
If only Gon and Tonpa were the only main character, maybe, but Kurapika and Leorio need their resolution.
This also applies to television series in general. There are lots of great shows that tend to have less than stellar endings. The Sopranos, Lost, Dexter, Game of Thrones etc.
In television’s case, they are constantly at risk of being canceled and as a result they usually never plan their endings until they are popular enough to be able to afford to do that.
Comics also apply here too (look at how fans reacted when The Walking Dead’s and Invincible’s comics ended).
But yeah, me personally, I don’t actually care all THAT much about endings. My standards are usually not that high and if your ending can contextualize the overall themes of the story and give some satisfying conclusion then that’s okay with me.
For me I care more about the journey than the end most of the times.
(Also I don’t actually find a lot of manga endings to be “terrible” or “bad” at all but I guess I just have shit taste and wouldn’t know a good or bad ending if it bit me lol).
GRAND BLUE MENTION
People are going to have to really get used to bad endings because honestly... 3 of the longest running mangas will probably have TERRIBLE endings (one piece, detective Conan, and berserk) simply because they've been going for so long no ending will be satisfying enough.
I cannot process how I will feel if One Piece doesnt have a good ending. I haven’t been reading it for as long as some, but I have been reading for nearly 7 years now.
you should read Raw Hero if you want the Truth of what happened with Prison School's ending......
major hint here, Raw Hero literally starts with the publisher of Prison School getting bombed
he never 'lost interesting', it was upper management sabotage.
and the fact that he's currently collaborating with the BLUE LOCK mangaka means hes far from 'giving up on manga'.
I clicked on this video thinking of a different definition of "Bad Ending".
I'm not inclined to agree with popular opinion on whether something became bad or not. Especially Rent-A-Girlfriend, season 3 is peak fiction, it should be required viewing for anyone wants to know what a good Dramatic Anime looks like. It absolutely does make "Progress" because the show is about more then just when will the main couple get together.
There are however example of my actually disliking something only for the very end. Take Romeo x Juliet for example, it's only the last 2 out of 24 episodes I have any problem, for 22 episodes it was 10/10 material.
This is something I have lately figured out
Fortunately I just started reading Manga
Mostly to get away from my phone 😅
Knowing this, I'm researching which series to read
This is one of the main reason why I stop reading manga/anime in general. Visual Novel got routes, voiced, color, multiple happy ending, Fan-fic is also entertaining with MC interact with characters from multiple franchise. Personally, I consume media to be chill, entertain, rest my mind and be happy, positive vibe. Not so interest in depress/negative story.
when the world needed him most he returned* very good video pretty much I've grown to just hope the journey is atleast nailed a lot more then the ending cause even if the ending leaves me cold the journey can make up for it but naturally there's phases as you said where the ending not turning out good can be the culmination of a snowball effect tiny things building with time. Out of curiosity what are your thoughts on how megami no cafe is holding up currently? atm i think its tripping over itself and becoming pretty stagnant.
don’t most mangaka write as they go while their editor tries to make sure the manga doesn’t conclude aswell?
Yes
This video discounts that the top 100 is also composed of monthly series and that most of the "bad" endings typically tend to be a problem in shounen compared to other demographics. I could go on but to summarize, this is a pretty surface level way of viewing things
i hope my favorite manga "black lagoon" will end before i wave you all goodbye.
Ashita no joe, Galactic Heroes, and Gintama also have top tier endings
I think you really overstated your third point while ignoring a MASSIVE problem. I would also guess that you're a bit too focused on Shounen Jump type manga which while important are a small and unrepresentative fraction of the industry, as Shounen Jump is both known to be especially competitive (and therefore demanding) and particularly popular. That being said, this latter statement is more of a "vibes" based guess so I may be entirely wrong.
I am much more sure though that the "I wanted to do something else so I dropped the quality here" is a phenomenon that happens and may even happen a lot but I doubt it's noticeable most of the time, let alone enough to really make for your average bad ending. No there is a much bigger issue that many many manga suffer from: Cancelation. (note: not talking about the "woke mob" type of cancellation, but rather the manga getting axed, perhaps due to not being popular enough).
I'd wager some 70-80% of bad endings in manga come from manga just getting axed and either ending abruptly with no warning or having to rush an ending over a handful of chapters at most at an unexpected time.
All of this
I think Death note has the best ending and FMA
Didn't Aka do the same thing with Kaguya-Sama and when he wanted to write Oshi no ko?
I'm noticing Shonen mangas ending alot sooner. It seems Shonen jump is moving away from the 300+ chapter Shonen series. Both demon Slayer, death parade and jjk are under 300 chapters. I think they are seeing better results with shorter series.
NGL I only clicked to find out what that was a cover to in the thumbnail (Thought it was prison school and I was right)
Difference between bad and "bad" most are just terrible or weird.
The first anime that has a terrible ending this year is Date a Live
I started to notice that the story was going too fast from season 3 and 4 and my god
The season 5 was a complete waste and non sense in every way everything ended so suddenly
I know that date a live was going to have a bad ending but my god
The my hero academia and attack on titan endings are way better endings than everything in that series
Hmm
havent watch the video yet but the prison school ending was NOT bad please read the manga with an analytical view 🙏
Prison school ending wasnt bad
It was terrible
Only bad stories have good/happy endings
sure, like the Odyssey...