People who hate on rise missed out one of the most interesting cartoons in general honestly. The reason TMNT is such a good franchise is because it’s been able to reinvent itself and adap and do unique things every new incarnation.
Fr. As someone who grew up with the 2003 and 2012 versions, Rise is not only my favorite version of the turtles, but also one of the best cartoons of the past decade just in general imo. It sucks so much that the crew had to cut out most of their original vision because of people like this guy, but what we have is still really good
Ask air bringing up tmnt in his whole argument about reboots needing to stick to the creators original vision and sticking to old fans is funny because like you said the franchise’s existence invalidates his argument. Tmnt didn't stick to the vision of eastman and Laird ever since the 87 show and from there the series kinda just been reinventing itself constantly. To the point that 40 years later id argue the brand hasnt been stronger. I seriously don't know many more series that are as consistent as the turtles.
@@mathewwilliams6801 Here's the thing. When the 1987 animated series was created, the 'TMNT' property had only been around for a few years. It was not a long-established property with long-established character interpretations and long-established lore. That's not the case with 'Rise of The TMNT' and 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem', which are too different from past iterations of the property, especially 'Rise of The TMNT'. Characters & their backstories are different to the point of being unrecognizable.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla I find both properties to be good in my opinon but like ... I don't really get what you're trying to say. Rise and Mutant Mayhem are major departures yes but the former really suffered more for getting a lot of money poured into it and appearing right after the 2012 show. The series also wasn't being pushed much across toys and was shuffled to timeslots that didn't help get more eyes on it at all despite being very expensive to make. Even with all that a lot of people turned around on Rise by the time the movie came out and it got a lot of eyes and an award. Mutant Mayhem on the other hand was one of the most sucessful movies of last year. Was very well-liked and recieved plus was in the same year the franchise got a billion dollars. So I feel like my earlier point still stands.
@@DonniedrakoE I'm sorry, but no, it doesn't. Also, the only people who liked 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem' were critics and people who weren't already into 'TMNT'. The same goes for 'Rise of The TMNT'.
Watching his 2012 retrospective video pissed me off because of how much he was bringing up 2003 like his main criticism for him not liking 2012 Splinter is simply because Splinter isnt old, decrepit and small despite the changes actually making sense for the type of character that 2012 Splinter was.
I’m not the biggest fan of 2012 TMNT, but even I say its versions of Splinter and Shredder are my favorite versions. They’re honestly the best characters in the entire series for me.
@paulgilbert5278 As someone who loves both Donnie's, Rise Donnie isn't apathetic. Rise Donnie is an Autistic character who shows his caring side in different ways that aren't Neurotypical. Like how he gives gifts to help his brothers even if it doesn't go well or how he does things like give head pats to Mikey. Donnie expresses empathy in a different way due to being Autistic, but it doesn't mean he doesn't care about his brothers. We see a lot throughout the show that Rise Donnie deeply cares about his brothers and their well being. From saving his brothers continously to how that one Purple Dragons episode he freaked out over his brothers getting hurt. Also, how protective he is of his younger brother Mikey is absolutely precious! Rise Donnie does care and isn't apathetic. Honestly, 2003 and Rise Donnie's would probably get along! I also think 2003 Donnie is Autistic too! Both would so infodump to each other about tech and more! 😂
Tbh I get why most 2003 fans would not particularly like the later TMNT shows. They miss Leo being stoic, Donnie being laid back, Mikey being Mr. Surfer Dude Bro, and Raph being the tough snarker with the NYC accent. These are the personalities I gravitate towards the most but other shows can deviate.
Rise is now my favorite version of the show, and I liked 2003 a lot. But for me, I love all of the TMNT shows. Just different things I like the *most* about them.
I feel so bad for TMNT, people always hate every new iteration, but it's so damn cool to have so many different versions of the characters and every generation of kids has their very own turtles to grow up with.
This not only goes for TMNT but also for a lot of other franchises in my opinion. I'm genuinely so sick of people being so comedically nostalgia blind that they decide that everything that isn't exactly like the things they grew up with as a kid is bad I remember I originally put off rise because of someone like that and I immensely regret not giving it a chance before it was canceled
I only put off on Rise because of all the reboots and I thought it was gonna be the same, but when I saw people making fanart of it. I decided to check it out, and I loved it!
Exactly! I’m new to tmnt so no nostalgia there, however I did grow up on my little pony friendship is magic. When a new generation came out I watched the whole series. I hated it but i at least gave it a fair shot and my criticisms are mostly writing and animation related
Man, I should check out Rise then. I don't think my initial dismissal wasn't just because it was different but because I loved 2012 so much and feared nothing would one up it. Coincidentally I was 12 when it premiered as I'm a year 2000 baby. I knew everyone grew up with their own TMNT and I felt like my personal era was done and just sorta tuned out Rise. Mutant Mayhem reminded me that "Holy crap this franchise still has bangers!" so I think I owe it to give this show at least one binge.
It’s got 2 seasons and a movie, but they’re on separate sites so hope you don’t miss them. The show deserved better. Releasing a new TMNT immediately after ending the previous one is not fair to creators or audiences
In the same boat as you, I'm a 2000 kid and ignored Rise because I liked 2012 so much. I watched it a couple years ago and it's now my favorite iteration by a wide margin. I think Rise is worth giving a fair chance to, since it didn't get one in 2018. The first few episodes are rocky, but it starts finding its footing at around episode 3 or 4 and keeps getting better. And the Netflix movie is incredible, especially when you learn the hell Nickelodeon was putting them through during production
I was familiar with 2003 due to reruns and skipped 2012 and Rise due to life, but when I went back, both, but especially Rise, interested me a lot. Mutant Mayhem also looks good, and I'm happy people are taking the franchise in various cool directions.
Rather than that, try reading 'The Untold Destiny of the Foot Clan'. It is an AMAZING read! I honestly believe that the secret to enjoying this franchise is just focus on Karai/her circle of people and just ignore the mayhem with the turtles.
It would be heavily appreciated if you did check Rise out! It's beautifully animated, and so much heart and soul was put into it! You can really feel the love for the characters and franchise. If you don't end up liking it, that's valid as fuck, but at least you can say that you went in with an open mind, and tried to experience it.
It’s ok if you don’t like a particular iteration of a character, but judging that character based on how they were in past iterations instead of how the character is in the show or movie just doesn’t make sense. In his downfall of 2012 TMNT, he compares almost everything in the show to the 2003 turtles. If you want to make a 2003 vs 2012 turtles video then go ahead, but don’t say 2012 is bad because it isn’t 2003.
I expect future iterations of a character to be like past iterations to a degree and respect the legacy of that character, not drastically change them, physically or otherwise, to the point where they aren't even that character anymore. It's not that complicated.
@@espurrseyes42 That kind of expectation is kinda what defeats the point of a new reiteration, especially if you're against the turtles looking different.
That and he’s just… weirdly very racist about TMNT rise and Mutant Mayhem with April being black?? There was a deleted Twitter convo I saw before of him ranting about how “there is no such thing as a black April O’Neil”, and how rise and Mutant Mayhem “doesn’t make sense” to include “race swaps and black people when it’s a predominantly white show and show pay more homage to that”… Everyone obvious called him tf out *and* pointed out far older comics and even shorts of TMNT with black April and dude just deleted his post and tried to forget about it. This was all during him posting his “2013 retrospective” video btw, so it kind of makes sense why his most recent and behated video has such racist undertones, because, he’s just plain racist and seems to be mixed with zero media literacy.
@@espurrseyes42So, you just want the same show? How can you even call it a “reiteration” when there was nothing reiterated about it? Reiterations are that, changes from the base show/series/film but still holding onto some basic lore, such as the Turtles being mutated into what they are now and master splinter being a mutant rat man, but characters and their personalities may shift and be different inorder to have something new on the table.
I loved Rose, especially Donnie and Raph. Raph’s anger instead being turned into primal fear was brilliant and unique. Donnie’s being apathetic was great and as someone who is autistic, it made me happy to see a character display a lot of the same traits I do.
It breaks my heart that so many fans straight up hate on Rise for being different...but then will praise Mutant Mayhem and call it a return to form when it does A LOT of what Rise did as well. The boys fumbling their missions, messing, up, acting more like teenagers then before, Mikey being introspective and less of a jokester, Raph loving fighting and having less of a toxic temper but still being the hothead nonetheless, Leo being allowed to make jokes and be less of a stick in the mud, Donnie being a big nerd in pop culture sense as well as the STEM sense. Why it is ok for Mutant Mayhem to do these things, but not for Rise of the TMNT to do the same? Not disparaging Mutant Mayhem. Even if it isn't personally for me, I can still see how fans can love it, and how it does do great in its own way. Mutant Mayhem wouldn't be what it is without Rise. It's a shame that both MM and Rise fans can't get along and support each other. And I don't get the larger TMNT fandom either. WHY GET SO PISSED OFF THAT EVERYTHING ISN'T ALWAYS 100% THE EXACT SAME? YOU ALREADY HAVE FOUR VERSIONS WITH THE DYNAMIC THAT YOU WANT, WHY CAN'T YOU EMBRACE SOMETHING NEW? Hell, Batman fans love both the hoaky 60s version. Batman is allowed to have a...steampunk version, a goofy silver age comic version (the Brave and the Bold), a cyberpunk version (Batman Beyond), a version where BRUCE WAYNE dies instead of his parents, a film noir version (Batman TAS), a 1940s version (Batman: caped crusader), and Batman fans don't complain. Each version was beloved and given a chance. But TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES? NOW we have STANDARDS? Ridiculous standards, no less. Need I remind people that the OG 1987 show that jump started this whole franchise was silly as hell? I will always stand for Rise. It deserves better then the hate it STILL gets and the creators still want to continue the show. The more people keep showing love for it the better. It's stupid how it gets so much undeserved hate. #SaveROTTMNT #SaveRiseoftheTMNT #UnpauseROTTMNT #UnpauseRiseoftheTMNT #SaveRiseofTMNT #RiseSeason3 #RiseTMNT
@@RocknRocknRock Your anger about the community's anger toward anything different feels so raw to me. Maybe this is because I'm younger, but jfc why can't everyone not trash on everyone's taste in their favorite versions of the turtles.
Don't forget Mutant Mayhem and Rise both have a Splinter that isn't a wise old master archetype too. It REALLY bugs me that Mutant Mayhem was able to get away with many of the same things Rise did, but more than that, it bugs me that Nickelodeon barely gave Rise a chance, they pulled the plug as soon as they saw the backlash. Given how much public opinion on Rise has shifted since it came out, I feel pretty strongly that Rise wouldn't be such a black sheep in the TMNT franchise today if Nickelodeon gave it even half the attention that they're giving to Mutant Mayhem. Edit: also from what I've seen, the Rise community is very respectful towards Mutant Mayhem. The general consensus with them is that they'd prefer more Rise content, but Mutant Mayhem is good too and doesn't deserve to meet the same fate.
Finally someone who's a TMNT fan that actually enjoys the franchise as a whole and what it represents. It's such a flexible franchise. Rise and the 2012 version are probably my favorite versions I grew up with them and the 03 version. But I can appreciate pretty much all iterations of the franchise for what they bring to the table. Tmnt is nothing but consistent I say.
I feel like true genuine fans of TMNT will love and or have plenty of meaningful things to say regarding the WHOLE franchise. Obviously it's okay to have your favorites, likes and dislikes, you know- but to be so stuck to the past due to nostalgia that you're practically BLINDED by it and can't handle any cool spins, changes or new takes on something like Rise or Mutant Mayhem is baffling to me. I am astonished at how I missed this guy acting like he's this big fan of the franchise because of his TMNT 2012 video. I'm pretty nostalgic for that series as well, but that guy really takes the cake with it all. Hes a professional casual fan in my opinion; I'm glad I didn't watch anything else of his, or even knew who he really was until now. Also; loved the video! You're a real one, lmao!
@@drawsumi The problem is that 'Rise of The TMNT' and 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem' are too different, especially 'Rise of The TMNT'. Characters & their backstories are different to the point of being unrecognizable and there are stupid & unnecessary raceswaps and genderswaps. The 2012 animated series stupidly made April, Casey, and Karai teenagers, bastardized Hun and Bishop, made Michelangelo an idiot, made Splinter an asshole at times("I do not have to explain myself to a child!"), and wasted Krang(AKA Kraang Prime), but outside of those issues, it was really good and it was clear that a lot of the people who worked on it were fans of the 'TMNT' property.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla But can you truly expect to keep doing the same things over and over again and it not be refreshing to see? It's like eating chicken all the time. Sure, it's good and it may be something I love to eat, but I want to have something different every once and a while. Saying ROTTMNT and Mutant Mayhem are too different feels too much like an excuse to immediately dog on to me, a poor one at that. And "unnecessary race swaps"? First, wasn't the very first original April O'Neil black? Why do people hate that? It's not even that much of a big deal, and if they're done rigjt like Rise April, what's there to complain about really? If they're written well or just fun version of the character, I wouldn't! She's one of the better Apirls in my opinion next to 2003 April. Different backgrounds and walks of life are fun to look into, that includes age and race! I think ROTTMNT and Mutant Mayhem are amazing additions to the TMNT franchise, they're doing a hell of a lot more good than bad, and I think people are just trying to find something to complain about that doesn't matter in the long run like " race swaps" being annoying or these shows/movies" being too different from the rest. That's just me, though!
@@drawsumi I never said that they have to do the *exact* same thing over & over again. No, April was not "black" in the original comics. Look it up. Like I said, the problem with 'Rise of The TMNT' and 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem' is that they are *too* different, especially 'Rise of The TMNT'. Liking them is like liking 'The Last Airbender' and 'Dragon Ball: Evolution'.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound like that- I know you didn't say that but I hear a lot of people complain about them not being faithful to their original versions of themselves or their favorite iterations of their turtles. Also I guess I saw something different regarding articles talking about the different versions of April, that's my bad, but I still don't see why people really don't like it. They're different additions to the franchise sure, but that's what's great about it. TMNT is such an interesting franchise is because it's been able to reinvent itself time and time again and do unique things every new version of their turtles.
I completely agree the TMNT are such a ridiculous concept and have been wildly different in each adaptation that it is the perfect franchise to shakes things up, how stale would the franchise be by now if they didn't have fun with it.
Honestly, I'd say even things you mentioned among core TMNT elements aren't really that necessary: 1. Bandanas colors - Mirage Turtles all had red ones and IDW Turtles too at the beginning and I didn't see any fans whining about that. 2. Their main foe should be the Shredder - yeah, but no. 2003 TMNT biggest problem for me was that writers kept bringing Shredder back just in different forms. Then finally Fast Forward season did something different, but the people hated it. There was a plan to make a Triceraton Shredder possesed by Ch'rell in that season, thank goodness that was scrapped. 3. April should be their first human friend - not that important, I mean Casey was actual first Turtles friend in IDW comics, so it doesn't really matter. I think the only important rule creators should follow when doing a Turtles story is to treat them seriously. That's why I hate Turtles Forever, because 87 Turtles were treated like shit due to Peter Laird's bias and hatred towards them.
I definitely see what you’re saying. I only bring up the bandana colors because the Mirage turtles did have all red, but they were the original, and a lot has changed since then. Now the colored bandanas feel way more synonymous with the turtles than the red ones With the Shredder, I may have misspoken. Rather then being their main or their greatest foe, he should, more often than not, be their most personal foe, for whatever reason that may be, either avenging Hamato Yoshi’s death or because Shredder does something to earn the gang’s ire. I still maintain that April should be their first human friend more often than not. Casey would be the second best choice, but one of the two should be the first to meet them since they’re the two most important human allies. I would say tho that the turtles don’t NEED to be treated 100% seriously per se. Cause the 1987 series does have its fans without being that serious (Red Sky seasons notwithstanding)
@TheOGCrit 1. I understand, I love bandanas and I get it that normies usually separate the Turtles only by that, but at the same time it just looks like people don't care about Turtles personalities, even though they were explored many times beyond four stereotypes. 2. Yeah, I agree. I just laugh or feel annoyed people want only Shredder as if they aren't or won't be any other big baddies. That's why people bashed 2007 movie and Rise which I find stupid since they did just fine without the cheese greater(for Rise I'm talking about season 1) 3. I mean, there's nothing particulary wrong with keeping this rule, but most of the time it just hurt April's character since she was usually depicted just as "Turtles first human friend" which made people not care about her as a character. 4. Now I may have misspoken. When I said "serious" I meant the story treating itself seriously or it would've turned into a parody. I mean, there's enough people thinking TMNT is some dumb shit for drooling kids, it would be worse if there would be TMNT media that would not make jokes, but straight up mocking TMNT as a concept, its history and its fanbase.
I see the TMNT series the same way I see the Transformers series. Various iterations with their own tones, characters, and storylines. I like Prime and animated and I like Tmnt 2003, 20012 and Rise I personally think it's fun to see a new take on an old series I liked
EXACTLY it’s the same reaction to Transformers one many didn’t like it at first because it was different to the more popular origin stories in transformers (ie tfp or g1)
Transformers started as toys and then had the show, so, imo, it gets a pass on what it can do. TMNT started as a comic and people prefer those, specific iterations. Transformers can transform into a lot of things and no I am not sorry for writing that.
1:34 I’d like to point out that Raph in 1987 isn’t even “the angry one” he can be a jerk, but he’s sarcastic instead of being angry. I never saw much of 1987, but even I know that Raph wasn’t “the angry one” as I’m pretty sure the first turtle live action movie was the one that set up the dynamic up of Leo the leader, Raph the muscle, Mikey the jokester, and Donnie the brains. I could be wrong though.
You spittin' facts. Not gonna lie, I also fell into the same trap of disliking Rise due to it not having the similar beats I know about TMNT. I grew up with the 03 series, the 2007 movie and the 2012 series. But after seeing how good ROTMNT was in it's own way, especially because of those kick ass fight scenes, I came to realize I was wrong for thinking that way. And I didn't make the same mistake with Mutant Mayhem.
Same here. I've been giving everything a chance now and I haven't been disappointed. I've learned not to be swayed by blind criticism and to be more open-minded, although it was too late for me when I gave Rise the chance, now I regret not watching it before
I also initially hated Rise because it was "too different", then I actually gave the show a chance and fell in love ith it! These are my favorite versions of Raph and Donnie to date
Yo, I checked out his 2012 review and IT WAS AWFUL. He kept making criticisms without explaining why he has those criticisms. The video came off as rushed and needed another draft.
Yeah he kinda just skimmed through everything just to say stuff about how bad the later seasons are without really bringing up any real points it really just felt rushed
@@LeonardoShellheadit’s crazy cuz if we being honest, the quality of the series remained very consistent unlike the 2003 series which dropped in quality in later seasons but them toxic 03 fanboys ain’t ready for that
I didn't like Rise, I have tried to several times, but it just doesn't click with me, it just made too many changes for my liking. Does that make me close-minded? Maybe. But that doesn't mean the show it's bad tho, technically it's gorgeous, the animation is bonkers in Rise, literally top notch, those animators really went crazy, not only that but Rise has a very loyal, passionate and dedicated fanbase, so if there's so many people who like it, then how bad can it be? It's not like it's the Next Mutation lol. Even I can admit that it's necesaary to change things up every once in a while to keep things fresh and interesting, I know what Rise tried to do and I appreciate and respect that, obviously that doesn't mean that everyone will or have to like it, but it had to be done at some point. Like, I've been enjoying what they're doing with the Mutant Mayhem universe and I can't wait for more, even if it's very different from most TMNT versions. TMNT literally became popular because they changed a lot of stuff from the original comics, so it's literally on the DNA of the franchise. Everyone has their opinion and no one is less of a fan because of that. The only cases when that applies is when they're hating for the sake of hating with no arguments, straight up lies or fake facts or some shady stuff like the April race thing.
See, at least you gave Rise a chance and didn't just coldly condemn it. At least you respected what the series tried to do and saw the effort that was put into the show. We need more fans like this.
I can respect your opinion. It’s not for you. But nostalgia blind people who are biased towards certain aspirations and dismiss others I can’t take seriously
He blatantly exploits Ben 10, TMNT, and Spongebob. Ben 10 especially. I get their all long running franchises, so a handful of videos would be reasonable to cover everything, but he's done like 20 to 90 videos each about the three. It's just milking. I'm not surprised some of his TMNT info and takes are wrong or stupid because he clearly got deeper into the rabbit hole for cash and not curiosity. He made seven videos in relation to Sponge on the Run sucking alone
A lot of tmnt fans clouded by nostalgia always find the weirdest reasons to avoid them like once I was watching rise and my sister complained about the turtles not calling Michelangelo, Mikey in that scene and even after I explained they do but they also have other nicknames for each other she just ignored me and wouldn’t at least try to understand I’ve also seen people not watch Rise just because of the animation. THE ANIMATION. MY BROTHER IN CHRIST ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME SHOW!? Also not watching it because Raph is big in the show is just a little weird. There’s other dumb reasons I’ve seen but it would take too long to type so imma say this. There are reasonable reasons for not liking Rise such as you don’t like the storyline, the pacing is too fast(although this one being reasonable is a little stretch), and just not being interested in it but not liking a show just for the art style, character roles (unless it’s genuinely unreasonable), designs, and because you’re clouded by nostalgia are NOT reasonable reasons. Also I mean this in no way is to hate on anyone but it’s how I view this whole thing if you have a different outlook good for you.
I hate that because there were fans who wanted TMNT to work in a certain way they would end up canceling Rise Literally my favorite version and it deserved more
my opinion is: the 2003 show was pretty decent! it's quite the change-up in some aspects but feels well-handled 2012 was a little mid and I don't really like the animation that much but it's alright and Baxter was cool, I liked Kitai too Rise is surprisingly good! and really didn't deserve to end so soon! I also like the voice acting Mutant Mayhem is slightly better than 2003 and I adore the animation and reference to Cronenberg
By the time Rise took off, I remember being in college when my professor showed off the first episode, saying it was the best show to kick off that year, visually appealing and the action was astonishing. I was in an art college, so of course we had fun looking into media at the time. But it was around the same time that I rarely had tv usage/online at home, I had to share a room with a sibling who hogs the tv, the only cable was the living room in which my father was always in. So yeah, I missed out the entire Rise TMNT cartoon when it aired, but knowing that it exists, means there is hope for creativity, and it shows from the film Mutant Maham.
I may see why people like 2003 but jeez saying rise or mutant mayhem is bad is wrong plus you can have different things in new versions even the 1987 cartoon was a variant of TMNT
I dunno why he's complaining about the turtles acting like, yknow, TEENS. Any version I grew up with, they might as well be adults because from memory they're never all that goofy, they look exactly the same big muscular types with color swaps, and they're way too good at what they do to be just beginners. It's refreshing to have media actually showing teens being like actual teens.
Being fair. I don't think media usually depicts them during their rookie pace. And Splinter is usually honest to god martial artist arguably training child soldiers vs literally just a dad that trains his kids with VHS tapes. I appreciate the Teenager dynamic tho.
I used to be like Ask Air. I only liked the 2003 show but after watching the 2012 and Rise multiple times I enjoyed the 2012 show and Rise more than the 2003 show and 2012 became my favorite TMNT show
I like the fact that a lot of the dialogue mutant mayhem was improvised. Which I didn’t know that which means the kids who were voicing the turtles probably brought in the stuff they like. which makes these turtles a little bit more human and unique. It’s also something that rise did as well lol the plans
I am a guy who grew up with the VHS copies of the 87 TMNT, and grew up watching 2003 and it's stuff. When I heard in highschool that Nick was doing a new version? I was hyped and loved it out the gate. By the time Rise came out, I didn't have the means to really watch it outside of clips but I was honestly confused at the hate it was getting, the designs were pretty dang awesome in my biased opinion. I was also hyped for Ralph to be the leader because he was my favorite because my dumb lizard brain likes the color red, and from what I know, he actually was pretty solid as not just a leader but a caring older brother. That the series also had some of the most crisp animation I had ever seen with some solid character dynamics was just icing on top. "Newest" TMNT thing I have seen is Batman vs TMNT, and again, I loved it and could gush. Haven't seen the new stuff but I say let it flow, TMNT is a franchise that I am happy see get new versions to reach new audiences because it is just a fun time. If people like whatever version was their version growing up, I won't hold it against them but they need to let others have their fun too. And nothing stops people from reaching across the varied forms of the series and sharing to show why each version is special to them and others
I've never understood the hatred for Rise. Imo it's amazing. The animation in the fight scenes are eye candy, the designs are good, the comedy is good, etc. These types of people act like its a sin against humanity when a reboot CHANGES aspects of the original story. Like, do these people want everything to stay the same? That would be boring as hell.
A.S.K. Air clearly refused to listen to the criticism. People say Mr. Enter has a bad reputation when A.S.K. Air looks a whole lot worse than him at this rate.
I grew up with the 2013 animated show and Rise April is genuinely my fave one so far. She's fun, energetic, has her own moments to shine and finally isn't shipped with any of the turtles (it always makes me so uncomfortable bc in original comics she was more like an older sister figure to the turtles which makes sense since she was an adult and turtles were supposed to be, well, teenagers)
6:38 In general, why do reviewers do this? Even if it's just meant as a joke, how do you expect people to take you seriously and listen to what you have to say on a subject when you outright admit that you were too lazy to do the necessary research. That automatically ruins any credibility you might've had as a reviewer.
i understand rise isnt for everyone but still people should admit rottmnt isn't just a cash grab. Its a extremely creative and unique project who simply was created out of love for tmnt as a whole. they didn't have to make the animation so complicated yet they did and ppl should give them at least a small respect for that fact alone
I could see why you'd say and think that. I feel like 2012 was the more story driven version or I could be mistaking. Rise I could also rock with. I actually like the animation.
you earn a sub and not just dunking on Air but it's great to see one someone that actually is a TMNT fan not just one version but the whole series. as someone who loves all takes of TMNT from 2003 to Rise to IDW it's great to see
When Rise first aired, I like many others hated it. But as I kept watching, I grew to love it for what it was. When I heard there would be nothing after the movie, I was severely disappointed. Me, my family, and my friends loved Mutant Mayhem. I recently watched Tales of the TMNT and again I loved it! I hope it gets more episodes. Maybe they’ll release more after the sequel to Mutant Mayhem.
when 2012 came out fans were mad about how they had three toes instead of two😭 It also proves how much of a fake fan he is since the very original April from the comics is black
Of the animated iterations, 2003 is my favorite and it's mostly not close tbh, I love the old Eastman and Laird comics and I feel it is by far the closest to capturing the essence of them and bringing that to the small screen, not only that it expands upon those comics with lots of unique new elements and maybe recontextualizing older ones to either flesh them out further or just make them a little more sensible, as the OG comics were rooted in satire and sometimes over the top for the sake of it, and best of all it didn't talk down to it's audience regardless of age and they pushed as much as they could past the radar as could be tolerated for a Y7 show, especially one on 4Kids I love the art style, sound track, one of the few 4Kids shows that I feel is almost perfectly casted, seriously I think everyone especially the four turtles actors all nail what their character is all about, I'm not sure it prefer to the Mirage TMNT but I do think it's my favorite time ever seeing them animated. All this aside I love TMNT as a whole and the variation of the various series' is it's greatest strengths there are things I really love about 87, Rise, 2012, that just don't have a place in 2003 and that's 100% fine, change is what's kept this franchise fun for 40 years, and his ignorance to this makes fans of my favorite cartoon of all time btw look awful as well as stupid, I want you to know not everyone who likes 03 acts like this.
He also hate TMNT 2012 show and fandom, like he's more obsessed with reboots than the tmnt 2003 favoritism, i know TMNT 2012 had some flaws but it's not an excuse to nitpick other versions and be obsessed with not only a franchise, also with a only one show.
I realate alot to Leo in 2012 and rise. Also, rise is'nt my favorit tv show(2012 is), though none of them are bad at all(Exept the next mutation). Also I can't stop seeing Ben Schwartz as Randy Cuningham... :)
I love how people ignored how 1987 2012 and 2003 are technically reboots in 2018 when Rise was new and fresh, especially how 1987 is more comedy focused and yet people jumped Rise for it having some comedy focus.
i haven’t been in this community very long but in my 10 months of being a tmnt fan i have seen SO MANY people dismiss/hate on other iterations simply for being different. like, isn’t that the whole point of the new iterations? i really hope people stop being so close minded when it comes to newer tmnt iterations. blind criticism has already gotten one series cancelled, who says it won’t happen again?
Also, I just want to bring this up cause this piece of misinformation makes me feel like I'm having an aneurism. making the statement of making April black as race swapping. This is hugely misinformation, and I blame this on the one articles taking tweets from the og creators with no context with the image of April's 2nd comic book iteration when, in actuality, the creators were talking about her first appearance. Now, in case some people are confused, go watch the 2014 documentary, Turtle Power: The Definitive History of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. But in short, April's first comic book appearance in name, was named after April Fisher, Kevin Eastmans, former wife, then girlfriend at the time, and while in appearance April 'O Neil did not take after the real April Fisher it seemed there was a conflict as to what race they wanted to make her, cause one creator said they envisioned her as white, while the other said they envisioned her as Asian and it's pretty obvious from her ambiguous appearance about that conflict. But, here comes the but, April's second appearance in the early years of the comics was supposed to look like the real April Fisher, and for context, April Fisher was infact black and white mixed it was evident that's what they went for in the comics by giving her curly black/brown hair, bigger lips and they gave her dark skin both on the cover and in the original colored versions of the comics. So there you go, April's race, while not exactly black or white, didn't exactly have a right or wrong answer, and that includes if you designed her to be Afrocentric. I want people to stop claiming April being black is blackwashing or raceswapping cause that's just not true cause even the creators didn't know what to make her.
3:21 exactly. To quote episode one (THE FIRST ONE. ITS FREE ON YT (I think). EVERYONE CAN WATCH THIS.): “what, I can’t make a joke in the middle of the craziest thing ever? That’s how I cope!” He’s also insanely strategic, can read people and predict their next moves and thinks quick on his feet. He just has an infinite amount of insecurities holding him back (there’s a really good video essay about him possibly having an inferiority complex I can highly recommend).
i feel like this dude says he likes tmnt and is a huge fan only because it was his personality as a kid and he couldn't find anything else to define himself, so he stuck to it, without any actual passion for the franchise
SPOILER ALERT: 14:15 This is funny because the cartoon he adores is TMNT 2003. Its version of Shredder is not even the REAL Oroku Saki. It's the sadistic criminal Utrom Ch'rell. The actual Saki didn't factor in as a main villain until S5. The Turtle's battles and struggles weren't against Saki but Ch'rell. It deviated from the source material to tell a new story. And it was sick.
As someone who loves the 2003 TMNT series it really is sad seeing fans only able to dislike the changes of the modern show. I will admit it’s my personal favorite iteration but all versions of the show have great aspects. Heck my favorite Turtle is Mikey and his 2012 self is my favorite iteration even above 2003 (though that version is still great). It just sucks 2003 fans are being like old 90s fans and never wanting change from what they grew up with. Heck even those fans aren’t as bad as this guy is with the stuff in rise or 2012.
This is literally what the Rise S1 finale was about. The Turtles try conforming to the traditional “Hamato Way” because they think it’ll make them better fighters, only to discover that doing “their own thing” is what helps them win in the end. If that isn’t a direct middle finger to uppity TMNT traditionalists, idk what is.
As a HUGE TMNT fan, I truly loved this!! ❤❤ I’m a huge fan of 2012, but I can also acknowledge it has flaws. I also love Rise, but again, I can acknowledge it had flaws and was done a MASSIVE disservice by Nickelodeon. But the beauty of this franchise is that every version has something to offer for everyone- whether it be the storytelling, the animation or the characters, each iteration creates new versions that have since become iconic!! It’s also very ironic cuz I REALLY didn’t like ‘03 😂😂😂😂 It breaks my heart cuz every version deserves recognition for bringing something new and fresh to the table for new generations. I hope you get more subs, you knocked this out of the park!! Keep up the great work!! COWABUNGA ❤
I haven't seen Rise of the TMNT yet, but this video makes me want to see it because I've had it on the backburner for a while and heard many good things. And Mutant Mayhem was fun. Also, as a 2003 TMNT and TMNT fan in general, we do not include A.S.K Air.
2003 is my favorite iteration, but I enjoy Rise and Mutant Mayhem a lot BECAUSE of their differences to 2003. Rise shakes up the dynamics and characters in fun new ways while having some amazing animation, and Mutant Mayhem is a heartfelt story about kids wanting to fit in. This franchise has always been innovating and changing in exciting ways, heck, even though 2003 is super faithful to the original comics, they still make unique changes that fit with that show's world, such as Shredder being an Utrom, it might sound ridiculous on the outside, but the way the flesh it out makes Ch'rell a terrifying Shredder.
14:04 Only pointing this out because it serves the point about change often being good for the tmnt, but the original comics had them all as red. It didn't matter as much because they comics were in black and white. The addition of the colored headbands was still a great decision though.
I never understood why TMNT has a nostalgia biased fanbase. As someone who grew up watching the 2007 movie, 2012 show, Batman vs TMNT, rise, and enjoys Mutant Mayhem, I respect that each version has its own unique way to tell their stories. If we can have different versions and stories of Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man, then we can have different interpretations of TMNT
The same reason Sonic does. There's so many different continuities of him, and even different eras of the games treat the cast differently. Everyone grew up with different eras of Sonic, and have different beliefs on what Sonic should be like based on that. Same with TMNT. Some like the goofy Classic Turtles. Some like the more serious 03 Turtles. Some like 2012. And some like Rise.
I was and still am obsessed with Rise, I watched every episode. I bought it on Amazon and TH-cam, I'm even teaching myself to draw so I can do fan art. The annoying fanboy rage at small changes was so ridiculous. I remember watching a Nostalgia Critic review where he missed the whole point which isn’t new. But what made me mad was all the comments saying they weren't gonna watch the show because of Doug. God forbid we get anything creative.
Even as someone who grew up with the 2003 version (and did have this same mindset when I was younger), I gave Rise a shot because it looked interesting, and enjoyed it so far. I actually do like the changes for the turtles (both their roles and appearances) with Donnie being my favorite.
Okay so I'm a new fan to the TMNT and I'm an adult so... I like to think I'm quite impartial bc I didn't grow up watching the TMNT so I don't have nostalgia blinding me. I watched Mutant Mayhem in the cinema SOLELY because the animation looked cool. Later in time I was slumped and I had nothing to watch so... I gave Rise a try and... here I am! I was introduced to the TMNT world through MM and Rise and I have seen the rest afterwards. And I'm gonna be super honest here: but watching the turtles fight Shredder and Krang over and over and over can get quite... tiring. Specially bc neither are particularly compelling as villains. I watched the different iterations in no particular order but my favourite arcs are the ones in which we deviate from the standard formula of TMNT. In 2012 I loved the first part of the 4 season when they're in space having adventures with the Fugitoid and in 2003 I loooved the Battle Nexus arc. And after consuming pretty much all the franchise has to offer I can confidently say Rise stays my favourite. Wanna know why? BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT! Because the animation and design are absolutely amazing. Because even though they DO fight the shredder and krang its NOT the same ol same ol, you know?? I firmly believe that part of the charm of the TMNT is that they adapt. They adapt to the times and the generations. They are constantly changing. Mutant Mayhem is a pretty conservative take on the turtles and yet nobody can say they aren't doing their own fucking thing.
I lost track but my point was that someone who can't accept change can never be a good fan of this franchise. Because TMNT = change. It could've never have survived otherwise. If it had stayed the same as it was in the 80... gosh. Have you seen 87??? It's classic and it's history but GODS is it hard to watch.
Been a TMNT fan since 03 and while I don't care for Rise, I can't say most of his takes on it he gave in the video (at least what I heard) are true either, especially comparing it to TTG. First off, low hanging fruit, and second off, the two shows have almost nothing in common aside from superfluous stuff like episodes being segments and a focus on humor occasionally. I remember getting recommended the guy's video on the "downfall of TMNT 2012" (which I don't think had much of a downfall) and I'm very glad I didn't watch it
One of my favorite aspects about Rise is the character design and animation So far, this is the most work character artists have put into making each turtle seem like their own character and not palette swaps of each other
As a tmnt fan, I love it when creators who are rebooting tmnt make little to big changes bc that just makes them more interesting. That’s what I love about Rise! It even inspired me to make my own little version of tmnt. The reason why creators make changes is bc it’s fun.
Something tells me A.S.K Dead Air didn't get the memo that the original TMNT comics depicted April as African-American, adding to how much of a fake fan he is
Honestly ROTTMNT was an eye opener for me. I used to hate it because that's what everyone was doing, I basically jumped on a bandwagon despite never seeing a single episode, but after I've seen TMNT fighting Shredder on TH-cam I decided Imma give the show a chance... And I was not disappointed. Now I think ROTTMNT is one of if not the best series, it has story, humor, good animations, character development... Yeah the show is childish sometimes but I guess that's what it supposed to be, seeing how TMNT was always aiming at kids/teens. The series is awesome and I wish more people gave it a chance.
The irony of this video, at least in my prospective, is that while deriding a person for being a fake fan, he would do the same to you, and it's because the issue isn't "this person fakes liking a thing" and more "toxic fandom will doom us all."
This is crazy, bro! Hazel is not a female Timmy Turner! She's her own character! They made her different to prove that she doesn't need to be race or gender swapped from a white character! That's just stupid! Also, he is a fake TMNT fan if hates Rise of the TMNT! 'Cause that show slaps, man! How could you NOT like that show if you're a TMNT fan? It still has everything that you could expect from TMNT and still pays homage to previous iterations and incarnations of the franchise! And it hasn't forgotten its hardcore Turtles fanbase, either! Even DuckTales 2017 was a great reboot that didn't try to ruin the source material, but expand upon it like what Rise did! So to say that all reboots suck no matter what is garbage! And it defeats the point of even saying that they do! 'Cause we have gotten good reboots before! And if you haven't seen it, then why even say it and how do your know? It's makes you look dumb if you don't know what you're talking about or you don't be specific when talking about how bad a reboot is and why you don't like the and what specifically you don't like about them! You're just focusing on the bad of reboots without actually talking about the good parts of them! And so your point is just left feeling half-baked and not cohesive enough to even be believable! It's insane, y'all! I genuinely cannot believe or think of what was going on inside this guy's head at all right now! 'Cause he just sounds so ridiculous in this video of his and then he goes to Twitter to have an absolute meltdown over the criticism he's getting for the video and crying about people just being stupid and not knowing what they're talking about, all kinds of bullshit and he's getting ratio'd on almost every single one of his comments that makes while everyone is having a field day roasting him and I'm so here for it! 'Cause if this guy genuinely believed what he was saying about everything was true, he wouldn't have went to Twitter to have a hissy fit copefest about it! This guy has no right to call himself a TMNT fan in my eyes if he doesn't like Rise when he doesn't know what he's talking about if he hasn't seen it, 'cause that's a genuinely good show and I think that everybody should go watch it and give it a chance, even if they're not a TMNT fan, you'll still genuinely enjoy it at least somewhat, 'cause it totally deserves some love, dude! Cowabunga! And we truly SLEPT on that series! Truly the most underrated Turtles series of all time, probably even more so than the 2003 series is and that show is a banger as well!
@@milliondoller06I mean, nobody is saying that they HAVE to like Rise, but if the reason/opinion is just “UUGHHHH THEY MADE APRIL BLACK AND CHANGED UP THE FORMULA UGHHHHH!!! ITS NOT LIKE MUH TURTLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!” then ngl that’s a childish reason/opinion, it’s a reason/opinion nonetheless but one that’s, again, childish.
@GhostTheOG people said they didn't like the overtopness with the turtles abilities like the flashy powers some people like the grounded turtles just relying on their ninja abilities instead shonen anime powers. Many people also said they weren't really a fan of the comedy of the series. Yes, we know TMNT is not a stranger to comedy we know that. We know that each of the turtles or other characters can have their funny and charm moments. We understand Mikey is the comic relief character of the series but it comes a point when literally everyone is literally the comic relief character. People also said they weren't a fan of the premise or direction of the series which is understandable
As a Tmnt fan whose first TMNT series was the 2003 show, I can understand why A.S.K. Air would praise the 2003 series as it was the series that was the closest to the original comics and had great character development. But that doesn't mean he has to shame the other series just because it not just like the 2003 series. Each series has the right to be it's own series and not be completely compared to others. Do I wish some incarnations of characters were more like the 2003 series? Yes. Do I appreciate the bold direction they take with said characters? Also yes. Point is, you should appreciate the various TMNT series for what they're trying do for both old and new fans alike, just because it doesn't aline with what you think is a great TMNT series, it doesn't mean others won't appreciate the series in their own way. A.S.K. Air is a clear example of someone who praises one incarnation of the franchise above others and not appreciating what the newer series bring to the franchise. I am a big 2003 TMNT praiser, but even I can see the beauty of the other series, with ROTTMNT being my other favorite TMNT series. Yes they have their flaws, but what series doesn't. You should appreciate each incarnation of the TMNT and what they bring to the franchise.
If you don't change anything some people are gonna complain. If you change things some people are gonna complain. You just can't please everybody. I liked Rise of the Teenage Mutant Turtles. I never got to watch it completely because they put it at hours I couldn't watch it. It's also like Nickelodeon wanted it to fail.
I agree that a show shouldn't be seen as lesser because it isn't what you grew up with and I think many TMNT fans are able to respect other iterations of the series and I had to learn to love Rise myself but I would say my only criticism is Rise Leo's contradictions as a character; he usually wants people to take him seriously and see his greatness despite not earning it or becoming immature in bad situations which leads to his family and friends treating him that way which leads to him coming off as a unlikable character at times due to his arrogance, immaturity, and lack of accountability which makes him not as interesting as the other versions of Leo who strive to improve themselves on top of there insecurities. I think at the very least more Leo iterations in the future should have the core element of self improvement along with dealing with trying to be perfect in order to push his character forward.
I'm a 2003 Turtle fan too, and yeah I didn't like later series as much as that one, but I do see the value of those versions and believe they're solid takes on TMNT. This guy seems like he should understand and accept that not everything will be for him and that shouldn't mean anything he doesn't like is bad.
People who hate on rise missed out one of the most interesting cartoons in general honestly.
The reason TMNT is such a good franchise is because it’s been able to reinvent itself and adap and do unique things every new incarnation.
I think it is the most interesting is a bit much because doing much may not be well received
Fr. As someone who grew up with the 2003 and 2012 versions, Rise is not only my favorite version of the turtles, but also one of the best cartoons of the past decade just in general imo. It sucks so much that the crew had to cut out most of their original vision because of people like this guy, but what we have is still really good
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I want to admit that I was one of those haters and to this day I regret that I didn't give the show a chance.
@@Commenter839 it was cut because of studio meddling and toy sales not fans
Ask air bringing up tmnt in his whole argument about reboots needing to stick to the creators original vision and sticking to old fans is funny because like you said the franchise’s existence invalidates his argument.
Tmnt didn't stick to the vision of eastman and Laird ever since the 87 show and from there the series kinda just been reinventing itself constantly.
To the point that 40 years later id argue the brand hasnt been stronger. I seriously don't know many more series that are as consistent as the turtles.
@DonniedrakoE
The problem is that 'Rise of The TMNT' and 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem' are too different, especially 'Rise of The TMNT'.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla do you think the 1987 tmnt is faithful to the of comics
@@mathewwilliams6801 Here's the thing. When the 1987 animated series was created, the 'TMNT' property had only been around for a few years. It was not a long-established property with long-established character interpretations and long-established lore. That's not the case with 'Rise of The TMNT' and 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem', which are too different from past iterations of the property, especially 'Rise of The TMNT'. Characters & their backstories are different to the point of being unrecognizable.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla I find both properties to be good in my opinon but like ... I don't really get what you're trying to say. Rise and Mutant Mayhem are major departures yes but the former really suffered more for getting a lot of money poured into it and appearing right after the 2012 show. The series also wasn't being pushed much across toys and was shuffled to timeslots that didn't help get more eyes on it at all despite being very expensive to make. Even with all that a lot of people turned around on Rise by the time the movie came out and it got a lot of eyes and an award. Mutant Mayhem on the other hand was one of the most sucessful movies of last year. Was very well-liked and recieved plus was in the same year the franchise got a billion dollars. So I feel like my earlier point still stands.
@@DonniedrakoE I'm sorry, but no, it doesn't. Also, the only people who liked 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem' were critics and people who weren't already into 'TMNT'. The same goes for 'Rise of The TMNT'.
Watching his 2012 retrospective video pissed me off because of how much he was bringing up 2003 like his main criticism for him not liking 2012 Splinter is simply because Splinter isnt old, decrepit and small despite the changes actually making sense for the type of character that 2012 Splinter was.
I noticed that and I was also pretty mad at the end of the video.
2012 splinter was so good that it felt like a huge event whenever he was heavily featured in an episode and idk how anyone prefers 2003's
@@ahaha272 I agree. Shredder in 2012 also peaked the Shredders
I’m not the biggest fan of 2012 TMNT, but even I say its versions of Splinter and Shredder are my favorite versions. They’re honestly the best characters in the entire series for me.
I watched his 2012 retrospective and immediately regretted it.
This man has been getting cooked by everyone 😂
lets goooo
As he should.
He brought this upon himself for being a close-minded bigot AND for being a fake TMNT fan.
His contant hatred of Tmnt 2012 and Rise bothers me
TMNT 2012 is amazing. It’s the one I watched for the longest time
@@paulgilbert5278 same I grew up with tmnt 2012
@@RustyRaccoon808 Me too! It was my first introduction to all things TMNT back when I was 6/7.
I legit can’t believe anyone truly hates TMNT 2012. It’s is the best imo (I’m biased lol)
He’s one of them toxic 2003 fanboys. I usually pay them no mind 😂
I grew up with TMNT 2003 and I still love Rise.
Going from the empathetic 2003 Donnie to the apathetic Rise Donnie was an interesting route
@paulgilbert5278 As someone who loves both Donnie's, Rise Donnie isn't apathetic. Rise Donnie is an Autistic character who shows his caring side in different ways that aren't Neurotypical. Like how he gives gifts to help his brothers even if it doesn't go well or how he does things like give head pats to Mikey. Donnie expresses empathy in a different way due to being Autistic, but it doesn't mean he doesn't care about his brothers. We see a lot throughout the show that Rise Donnie deeply cares about his brothers and their well being. From saving his brothers continously to how that one Purple Dragons episode he freaked out over his brothers getting hurt. Also, how protective he is of his younger brother Mikey is absolutely precious! Rise Donnie does care and isn't apathetic. Honestly, 2003 and Rise Donnie's would probably get along! I also think 2003 Donnie is Autistic too! Both would so infodump to each other about tech and more! 😂
Same
Tbh I get why most 2003 fans would not particularly like the later TMNT shows. They miss Leo being stoic, Donnie being laid back, Mikey being Mr. Surfer Dude Bro, and Raph being the tough snarker with the NYC accent. These are the personalities I gravitate towards the most but other shows can deviate.
Rise is now my favorite version of the show, and I liked 2003 a lot. But for me, I love all of the TMNT shows. Just different things I like the *most* about them.
I feel so bad for TMNT, people always hate every new iteration, but it's so damn cool to have so many different versions of the characters and every generation of kids has their very own turtles to grow up with.
This not only goes for TMNT but also for a lot of other franchises in my opinion. I'm genuinely so sick of people being so comedically nostalgia blind that they decide that everything that isn't exactly like the things they grew up with as a kid is bad
I remember I originally put off rise because of someone like that and I immensely regret not giving it a chance before it was canceled
I only put off on Rise because of all the reboots and I thought it was gonna be the same, but when I saw people making fanart of it. I decided to check it out, and I loved it!
Exactly! I’m new to tmnt so no nostalgia there, however I did grow up on my little pony friendship is magic. When a new generation came out I watched the whole series. I hated it but i at least gave it a fair shot and my criticisms are mostly writing and animation related
Man, I should check out Rise then. I don't think my initial dismissal wasn't just because it was different but because I loved 2012 so much and feared nothing would one up it. Coincidentally I was 12 when it premiered as I'm a year 2000 baby. I knew everyone grew up with their own TMNT and I felt like my personal era was done and just sorta tuned out Rise. Mutant Mayhem reminded me that "Holy crap this franchise still has bangers!" so I think I owe it to give this show at least one binge.
It’s got 2 seasons and a movie, but they’re on separate sites so hope you don’t miss them.
The show deserved better. Releasing a new TMNT immediately after ending the previous one is not fair to creators or audiences
In the same boat as you, I'm a 2000 kid and ignored Rise because I liked 2012 so much. I watched it a couple years ago and it's now my favorite iteration by a wide margin.
I think Rise is worth giving a fair chance to, since it didn't get one in 2018. The first few episodes are rocky, but it starts finding its footing at around episode 3 or 4 and keeps getting better. And the Netflix movie is incredible, especially when you learn the hell Nickelodeon was putting them through during production
I was familiar with 2003 due to reruns and skipped 2012 and Rise due to life, but when I went back, both, but especially Rise, interested me a lot. Mutant Mayhem also looks good, and I'm happy people are taking the franchise in various cool directions.
Rather than that, try reading 'The Untold Destiny of the Foot Clan'. It is an AMAZING read!
I honestly believe that the secret to enjoying this franchise is just focus on Karai/her circle of people and just ignore the mayhem with the turtles.
It would be heavily appreciated if you did check Rise out!
It's beautifully animated, and so much heart and soul was put into it! You can really feel the love for the characters and franchise.
If you don't end up liking it, that's valid as fuck, but at least you can say that you went in with an open mind, and tried to experience it.
It’s ok if you don’t like a particular iteration of a character, but judging that character based on how they were in past iterations instead of how the character is in the show or movie just doesn’t make sense. In his downfall of 2012 TMNT, he compares almost everything in the show to the 2003 turtles. If you want to make a 2003 vs 2012 turtles video then go ahead, but don’t say 2012 is bad because it isn’t 2003.
I expect future iterations of a character to be like past iterations to a degree and respect the legacy of that character, not drastically change them, physically or otherwise, to the point where they aren't even that character anymore. It's not that complicated.
@@espurrseyes42 That kind of expectation is kinda what defeats the point of a new reiteration, especially if you're against the turtles looking different.
That and he’s just… weirdly very racist about TMNT rise and Mutant Mayhem with April being black??
There was a deleted Twitter convo I saw before of him ranting about how “there is no such thing as a black April O’Neil”, and how rise and Mutant Mayhem “doesn’t make sense” to include “race swaps and black people when it’s a predominantly white show and show pay more homage to that”…
Everyone obvious called him tf out *and* pointed out far older comics and even shorts of TMNT with black April and dude just deleted his post and tried to forget about it.
This was all during him posting his “2013 retrospective” video btw, so it kind of makes sense why his most recent and behated video has such racist undertones, because, he’s just plain racist and seems to be mixed with zero media literacy.
@@espurrseyes42So, you just want the same show?
How can you even call it a “reiteration” when there was nothing reiterated about it? Reiterations are that, changes from the base show/series/film but still holding onto some basic lore, such as the Turtles being mutated into what they are now and master splinter being a mutant rat man, but characters and their personalities may shift and be different inorder to have something new on the table.
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No. I want the new show to not be *drastically* different from previous shows. This isn't a complicated thing to understand.
I loved Rose, especially Donnie and Raph. Raph’s anger instead being turned into primal fear was brilliant and unique. Donnie’s being apathetic was great and as someone who is autistic, it made me happy to see a character display a lot of the same traits I do.
It breaks my heart that so many fans straight up hate on Rise for being different...but then will praise Mutant Mayhem and call it a return to form when it does A LOT of what Rise did as well. The boys fumbling their missions, messing, up, acting more like teenagers then before, Mikey being introspective and less of a jokester, Raph loving fighting and having less of a toxic temper but still being the hothead nonetheless, Leo being allowed to make jokes and be less of a stick in the mud, Donnie being a big nerd in pop culture sense as well as the STEM sense. Why it is ok for Mutant Mayhem to do these things, but not for Rise of the TMNT to do the same? Not disparaging Mutant Mayhem. Even if it isn't personally for me, I can still see how fans can love it, and how it does do great in its own way. Mutant Mayhem wouldn't be what it is without Rise. It's a shame that both MM and Rise fans can't get along and support each other.
And I don't get the larger TMNT fandom either. WHY GET SO PISSED OFF THAT EVERYTHING ISN'T ALWAYS 100% THE EXACT SAME? YOU ALREADY HAVE FOUR VERSIONS WITH THE DYNAMIC THAT YOU WANT, WHY CAN'T YOU EMBRACE SOMETHING NEW? Hell, Batman fans love both the hoaky 60s version. Batman is allowed to have a...steampunk version, a goofy silver age comic version (the Brave and the Bold), a cyberpunk version (Batman Beyond), a version where BRUCE WAYNE dies instead of his parents, a film noir version (Batman TAS), a 1940s version (Batman: caped crusader), and Batman fans don't complain. Each version was beloved and given a chance.
But TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES? NOW we have STANDARDS? Ridiculous standards, no less. Need I remind people that the OG 1987 show that jump started this whole franchise was silly as hell?
I will always stand for Rise. It deserves better then the hate it STILL gets and the creators still want to continue the show. The more people keep showing love for it the better. It's stupid how it gets so much undeserved hate. #SaveROTTMNT #SaveRiseoftheTMNT #UnpauseROTTMNT #UnpauseRiseoftheTMNT #SaveRiseofTMNT #RiseSeason3 #RiseTMNT
Lmao is this a kid typing this dribble?
@@Eminster No, but your response certainly seems childish.
@@RocknRocknRock true. I just felt like saying that
@@RocknRocknRock Your anger about the community's anger toward anything different feels so raw to me. Maybe this is because I'm younger, but jfc why can't everyone not trash on everyone's taste in their favorite versions of the turtles.
Don't forget Mutant Mayhem and Rise both have a Splinter that isn't a wise old master archetype too. It REALLY bugs me that Mutant Mayhem was able to get away with many of the same things Rise did, but more than that, it bugs me that Nickelodeon barely gave Rise a chance, they pulled the plug as soon as they saw the backlash. Given how much public opinion on Rise has shifted since it came out, I feel pretty strongly that Rise wouldn't be such a black sheep in the TMNT franchise today if Nickelodeon gave it even half the attention that they're giving to Mutant Mayhem.
Edit: also from what I've seen, the Rise community is very respectful towards Mutant Mayhem. The general consensus with them is that they'd prefer more Rise content, but Mutant Mayhem is good too and doesn't deserve to meet the same fate.
Finally someone who's a TMNT fan that actually enjoys the franchise as a whole and what it represents. It's such a flexible franchise. Rise and the 2012 version are probably my favorite versions I grew up with them and the 03 version. But I can appreciate pretty much all iterations of the franchise for what they bring to the table. Tmnt is nothing but consistent I say.
I feel like true genuine fans of TMNT will love and or have plenty of meaningful things to say regarding the WHOLE franchise. Obviously it's okay to have your favorites, likes and dislikes, you know- but to be so stuck to the past due to nostalgia that you're practically BLINDED by it and can't handle any cool spins, changes or new takes on something like Rise or Mutant Mayhem is baffling to me. I am astonished at how I missed this guy acting like he's this big fan of the franchise because of his TMNT 2012 video. I'm pretty nostalgic for that series as well, but that guy really takes the cake with it all. Hes a professional casual fan in my opinion; I'm glad I didn't watch anything else of his, or even knew who he really was until now.
Also; loved the video! You're a real one, lmao!
@@drawsumi The problem is that 'Rise of The TMNT' and 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem' are too different, especially 'Rise of The TMNT'. Characters & their backstories are different to the point of being unrecognizable and there are stupid & unnecessary raceswaps and genderswaps. The 2012 animated series stupidly made April, Casey, and Karai teenagers, bastardized Hun and Bishop, made Michelangelo an idiot, made Splinter an asshole at times("I do not have to explain myself to a child!"), and wasted Krang(AKA Kraang Prime), but outside of those issues, it was really good and it was clear that a lot of the people who worked on it were fans of the 'TMNT' property.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla But can you truly expect to keep doing the same things over and over again and it not be refreshing to see? It's like eating chicken all the time. Sure, it's good and it may be something I love to eat, but I want to have something different every once and a while. Saying ROTTMNT and Mutant Mayhem are too different feels too much like an excuse to immediately dog on to me, a poor one at that. And "unnecessary race swaps"? First, wasn't the very first original April O'Neil black? Why do people hate that? It's not even that much of a big deal, and if they're done rigjt like Rise April, what's there to complain about really? If they're written well or just fun version of the character, I wouldn't! She's one of the better Apirls in my opinion next to 2003 April. Different backgrounds and walks of life are fun to look into, that includes age and race! I think ROTTMNT and Mutant Mayhem are amazing additions to the TMNT franchise, they're doing a hell of a lot more good than bad, and I think people are just trying to find something to complain about that doesn't matter in the long run like " race swaps" being annoying or these shows/movies" being too different from the rest. That's just me, though!
@@drawsumi I never said that they have to do the *exact* same thing over & over again. No, April was not "black" in the original comics. Look it up. Like I said, the problem with 'Rise of The TMNT' and 'TMNT: Mutant Mayhem' is that they are *too* different, especially 'Rise of The TMNT'. Liking them is like liking 'The Last Airbender' and 'Dragon Ball: Evolution'.
@@Optimegatrongodzilla Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound like that- I know you didn't say that but I hear a lot of people complain about them not being faithful to their original versions of themselves or their favorite iterations of their turtles. Also I guess I saw something different regarding articles talking about the different versions of April, that's my bad, but I still don't see why people really don't like it. They're different additions to the franchise sure, but that's what's great about it. TMNT is such an interesting franchise is because it's been able to reinvent itself time and time again and do unique things every new version of their turtles.
i don’t agree, most of tmnt is unappealing to me except 03 and 18, just have valid points
I completely agree the TMNT are such a ridiculous concept and have been wildly different in each adaptation that it is the perfect franchise to shakes things up, how stale would the franchise be by now if they didn't have fun with it.
Fr fr!
Honestly, I'd say even things you mentioned among core TMNT elements aren't really that necessary:
1. Bandanas colors - Mirage Turtles all had red ones and IDW Turtles too at the beginning and I didn't see any fans whining about that.
2. Their main foe should be the Shredder - yeah, but no. 2003 TMNT biggest problem for me was that writers kept bringing Shredder back just in different forms. Then finally Fast Forward season did something different, but the people hated it. There was a plan to make a Triceraton Shredder possesed by Ch'rell in that season, thank goodness that was scrapped.
3. April should be their first human friend - not that important, I mean Casey was actual first Turtles friend in IDW comics, so it doesn't really matter.
I think the only important rule creators should follow when doing a Turtles story is to treat them seriously. That's why I hate Turtles Forever, because 87 Turtles were treated like shit due to Peter Laird's bias and hatred towards them.
I definitely see what you’re saying. I only bring up the bandana colors because the Mirage turtles did have all red, but they were the original, and a lot has changed since then. Now the colored bandanas feel way more synonymous with the turtles than the red ones
With the Shredder, I may have misspoken. Rather then being their main or their greatest foe, he should, more often than not, be their most personal foe, for whatever reason that may be, either avenging Hamato Yoshi’s death or because Shredder does something to earn the gang’s ire.
I still maintain that April should be their first human friend more often than not. Casey would be the second best choice, but one of the two should be the first to meet them since they’re the two most important human allies.
I would say tho that the turtles don’t NEED to be treated 100% seriously per se. Cause the 1987 series does have its fans without being that serious (Red Sky seasons notwithstanding)
@TheOGCrit 1. I understand, I love bandanas and I get it that normies usually separate the Turtles only by that, but at the same time it just looks like people don't care about Turtles personalities, even though they were explored many times beyond four stereotypes.
2. Yeah, I agree. I just laugh or feel annoyed people want only Shredder as if they aren't or won't be any other big baddies. That's why people bashed 2007 movie and Rise which I find stupid since they did just fine without the cheese greater(for Rise I'm talking about season 1)
3. I mean, there's nothing particulary wrong with keeping this rule, but most of the time it just hurt April's character since she was usually depicted just as "Turtles first human friend" which made people not care about her as a character.
4. Now I may have misspoken. When I said "serious" I meant the story treating itself seriously or it would've turned into a parody. I mean, there's enough people thinking TMNT is some dumb shit for drooling kids, it would be worse if there would be TMNT media that would not make jokes, but straight up mocking TMNT as a concept, its history and its fanbase.
The turtles having different bandanas was for the sake of telling them apart so it was a necessity.👍
I see the TMNT series the same way I see the Transformers series. Various iterations with their own tones, characters, and storylines.
I like Prime and animated and I like Tmnt 2003, 20012 and Rise
I personally think it's fun to see a new take on an old series I liked
That's how I've always seen TMNT.
EXACTLY it’s the same reaction to Transformers one many didn’t like it at first because it was different to the more popular origin stories in transformers (ie tfp or g1)
Transformers started as toys and then had the show, so, imo, it gets a pass on what it can do. TMNT started as a comic and people prefer those, specific iterations.
Transformers can transform into a lot of things and no I am not sorry for writing that.
you made a typo in 2012 you put 20012
1:34 I’d like to point out that Raph in 1987 isn’t even “the angry one” he can be a jerk, but he’s sarcastic instead of being angry. I never saw much of 1987, but even I know that Raph wasn’t “the angry one” as I’m pretty sure the first turtle live action movie was the one that set up the dynamic up of Leo the leader, Raph the muscle, Mikey the jokester, and Donnie the brains. I could be wrong though.
People took "Raphael is cool but rude." to heart.
Rise Of The TMNT is my fav TMNT but I find Mutant Mayhem ok at best but I appreciate the people who love it
Yeah, I agree
2012 is my favorite, but GOD DAMN RISE IS PEAK ‼️‼️
@@BlurroBlue frr
It threw me of by shipping Leo with April
@@hoa-flowers 💯‼️
You spittin' facts. Not gonna lie, I also fell into the same trap of disliking Rise due to it not having the similar beats I know about TMNT. I grew up with the 03 series, the 2007 movie and the 2012 series. But after seeing how good ROTMNT was in it's own way, especially because of those kick ass fight scenes, I came to realize I was wrong for thinking that way. And I didn't make the same mistake with Mutant Mayhem.
Same here. I've been giving everything a chance now and I haven't been disappointed. I've learned not to be swayed by blind criticism and to be more open-minded, although it was too late for me when I gave Rise the chance, now I regret not watching it before
@@mandragorascreamwinter6860 I just n never liked TMNT at all until I saw ROTTMNT
I also initially hated Rise because it was "too different", then I actually gave the show a chance and fell in love ith it!
These are my favorite versions of Raph and Donnie to date
Another BANGER video, Crit. 🔥
Bro iv seen you everywhere one these types of videos 😭
Bro iv seen you everywhere one these types of videos 😭
@@bigmon5757 This is true, but all of these people are my friends behind the scenes lol
@@TheAlphaJayShowhappy to see you supporting smaller channels 😊hope he makes it big someday 🙏
Yo Jay, you da GOAT, man! Thanks so much and keep it up, bro! You've got this, I believe in you!
Yo, I checked out his 2012 review and IT WAS AWFUL. He kept making criticisms without explaining why he has those criticisms. The video came off as rushed and needed another draft.
Yeah he kinda just skimmed through everything just to say stuff about how bad the later seasons are without really bringing up any real points it really just felt rushed
@@jiazji also for a video titled "The DOWNFALL of TMNT 2012" he barely touches on the actual "downfall" of the show
@@LeonardoShellheadit’s crazy cuz if we being honest, the quality of the series remained very consistent unlike the 2003 series which dropped in quality in later seasons but them toxic 03 fanboys ain’t ready for that
« I don’t rise because Ralph is the leader » people when they watch the finale 😮🤯
I didn't like Rise, I have tried to several times, but it just doesn't click with me, it just made too many changes for my liking. Does that make me close-minded? Maybe. But that doesn't mean the show it's bad tho, technically it's gorgeous, the animation is bonkers in Rise, literally top notch, those animators really went crazy, not only that but Rise has a very loyal, passionate and dedicated fanbase, so if there's so many people who like it, then how bad can it be? It's not like it's the Next Mutation lol. Even I can admit that it's necesaary to change things up every once in a while to keep things fresh and interesting, I know what Rise tried to do and I appreciate and respect that, obviously that doesn't mean that everyone will or have to like it, but it had to be done at some point. Like, I've been enjoying what they're doing with the Mutant Mayhem universe and I can't wait for more, even if it's very different from most TMNT versions. TMNT literally became popular because they changed a lot of stuff from the original comics, so it's literally on the DNA of the franchise. Everyone has their opinion and no one is less of a fan because of that. The only cases when that applies is when they're hating for the sake of hating with no arguments, straight up lies or fake facts or some shady stuff like the April race thing.
See, at least you gave Rise a chance and didn't just coldly condemn it. At least you respected what the series tried to do and saw the effort that was put into the show. We need more fans like this.
I can respect your opinion. It’s not for you. But nostalgia blind people who are biased towards certain aspirations and dismiss others I can’t take seriously
He blatantly exploits Ben 10, TMNT, and Spongebob. Ben 10 especially. I get their all long running franchises, so a handful of videos would be reasonable to cover everything, but he's done like 20 to 90 videos each about the three. It's just milking. I'm not surprised some of his TMNT info and takes are wrong or stupid because he clearly got deeper into the rabbit hole for cash and not curiosity. He made seven videos in relation to Sponge on the Run sucking alone
Damn this man is miserable asf
A lot of tmnt fans clouded by nostalgia always find the weirdest reasons to avoid them like once I was watching rise and my sister complained about the turtles not calling Michelangelo, Mikey in that scene and even after I explained they do but they also have other nicknames for each other she just ignored me and wouldn’t at least try to understand I’ve also seen people not watch Rise just because of the animation. THE ANIMATION. MY BROTHER IN CHRIST ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME SHOW!? Also not watching it because Raph is big in the show is just a little weird. There’s other dumb reasons I’ve seen but it would take too long to type so imma say this. There are reasonable reasons for not liking Rise such as you don’t like the storyline, the pacing is too fast(although this one being reasonable is a little stretch), and just not being interested in it but not liking a show just for the art style, character roles (unless it’s genuinely unreasonable), designs, and because you’re clouded by nostalgia are NOT reasonable reasons. Also I mean this in no way is to hate on anyone but it’s how I view this whole thing if you have a different outlook good for you.
Facts 😂
I hate that because there were fans who wanted TMNT to work in a certain way they would end up canceling Rise Literally my favorite version and it deserved more
my opinion is:
the 2003 show was pretty decent! it's quite the change-up in some aspects but feels well-handled
2012 was a little mid and I don't really like the animation that much but it's alright and Baxter was cool, I liked Kitai too
Rise is surprisingly good! and really didn't deserve to end so soon! I also like the voice acting
Mutant Mayhem is slightly better than 2003 and I adore the animation and reference to Cronenberg
By the time Rise took off, I remember being in college when my professor showed off the first episode, saying it was the best show to kick off that year, visually appealing and the action was astonishing. I was in an art college, so of course we had fun looking into media at the time.
But it was around the same time that I rarely had tv usage/online at home, I had to share a room with a sibling who hogs the tv, the only cable was the living room in which my father was always in.
So yeah, I missed out the entire Rise TMNT cartoon when it aired, but knowing that it exists, means there is hope for creativity, and it shows from the film Mutant Maham.
I may see why people like 2003 but jeez saying rise or mutant mayhem is bad is wrong plus you can have different things in new versions even the 1987 cartoon was a variant of TMNT
I dunno why he's complaining about the turtles acting like, yknow, TEENS. Any version I grew up with, they might as well be adults because from memory they're never all that goofy, they look exactly the same big muscular types with color swaps, and they're way too good at what they do to be just beginners. It's refreshing to have media actually showing teens being like actual teens.
Being fair. I don't think media usually depicts them during their rookie pace.
And Splinter is usually honest to god martial artist arguably training child soldiers vs literally just a dad that trains his kids with VHS tapes.
I appreciate the Teenager dynamic tho.
I used to be like Ask Air. I only liked the 2003 show but after watching the 2012 and Rise multiple times I enjoyed the 2012 show and Rise more than the 2003 show and 2012 became my favorite TMNT show
I like the fact that a lot of the dialogue mutant mayhem was improvised. Which I didn’t know that which means the kids who were voicing the turtles probably brought in the stuff they like. which makes these turtles a little bit more human and unique. It’s also something that rise did as well lol the plans
"Leo acts the same like Mikey in Rise"
*Cue Dr Delicate Touch and Trauma*
I am a guy who grew up with the VHS copies of the 87 TMNT, and grew up watching 2003 and it's stuff. When I heard in highschool that Nick was doing a new version? I was hyped and loved it out the gate. By the time Rise came out, I didn't have the means to really watch it outside of clips but I was honestly confused at the hate it was getting, the designs were pretty dang awesome in my biased opinion. I was also hyped for Ralph to be the leader because he was my favorite because my dumb lizard brain likes the color red, and from what I know, he actually was pretty solid as not just a leader but a caring older brother. That the series also had some of the most crisp animation I had ever seen with some solid character dynamics was just icing on top. "Newest" TMNT thing I have seen is Batman vs TMNT, and again, I loved it and could gush. Haven't seen the new stuff but I say let it flow, TMNT is a franchise that I am happy see get new versions to reach new audiences because it is just a fun time. If people like whatever version was their version growing up, I won't hold it against them but they need to let others have their fun too. And nothing stops people from reaching across the varied forms of the series and sharing to show why each version is special to them and others
I've never understood the hatred for Rise. Imo it's amazing. The animation in the fight scenes are eye candy, the designs are good, the comedy is good, etc. These types of people act like its a sin against humanity when a reboot CHANGES aspects of the original story. Like, do these people want everything to stay the same? That would be boring as hell.
“Bossa Nova!
Bossa Nova?
Chevy Nova??
……..
EXCELLENT!!!”
-Leo, Donnie, and Mikey, 1990
"Damn!"
-Raph, 1990
I ADORED that movie lmao
"Radical"
"Star Trek"
"Pizza"
"Moto Guzzi"
-The original Mirage Turtles as babies 1984
“Bitchin’”
-Raphael
@@midnightthesmartfox9981 Acapella!
A.S.K. Air clearly refused to listen to the criticism. People say Mr. Enter has a bad reputation when A.S.K. Air looks a whole lot worse than him at this rate.
I grew up with the 2013 animated show and Rise April is genuinely my fave one so far. She's fun, energetic, has her own moments to shine and finally isn't shipped with any of the turtles (it always makes me so uncomfortable bc in original comics she was more like an older sister figure to the turtles which makes sense since she was an adult and turtles were supposed to be, well, teenagers)
Also, I believe that in the original comics April was biracial and got changed into a redhead for the animated series
This is why I love Rise April and her dynamic (Like bestie way) with Donnie (Who btw 2012 should be)
April as a Sister Figure>>>>>>>>>>>>>April as a Love Interest
6:38 In general, why do reviewers do this? Even if it's just meant as a joke, how do you expect people to take you seriously and listen to what you have to say on a subject when you outright admit that you were too lazy to do the necessary research. That automatically ruins any credibility you might've had as a reviewer.
i understand rise isnt for everyone but still people should admit rottmnt isn't just a cash grab. Its a extremely creative and unique project who simply was created out of love for tmnt as a whole. they didn't have to make the animation so complicated yet they did and ppl should give them at least a small respect for that fact alone
I grew up on TMNT 2003 and It is NOT the peak of Turtles. Each incarnation has it's good and bad aspects and I can enjoy them for different reasons
My favourite thing about the TMNT franchise is how it’s constantly evolving. There are so many great versions, there’s one for everyone.
My personal favorite incarnation of TMNT is the 2012 version.
Rise and 2003 are tied to for 2nd pace.
I could see why you'd say and think that. I feel like 2012 was the more story driven version or I could be mistaking. Rise I could also rock with. I actually like the animation.
@@SportsFan838
2012 always felt like a unique mixture of aspects from the classic and 2003 incarnations.
@@darknessrising2453yeah. 2k12 seemed to pull from various adaptations and combine it into something new
Dear God, both Transformers and TMNT have more similarities than I realized
you earn a sub and not just dunking on Air but it's great to see one someone that actually is a TMNT fan not just one version but the whole series. as someone who loves all takes of TMNT from 2003 to Rise to IDW it's great to see
Nostalgia blind perfectly describes the CoD community
The entire cartoon Community Really jumping this man LIKE NO OTHER
Well his trash New Wish video brought attention to his channel where they saw that he has a whole plethora of trash takes.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 ye
When Rise first aired, I like many others hated it. But as I kept watching, I grew to love it for what it was. When I heard there would be nothing after the movie, I was severely disappointed. Me, my family, and my friends loved Mutant Mayhem. I recently watched Tales of the TMNT and again I loved it! I hope it gets more episodes. Maybe they’ll release more after the sequel to Mutant Mayhem.
Was waiting for someone to pause and point out how he spoke about rise. So thank u
same
when 2012 came out fans were mad about how they had three toes instead of two😭 It also proves how much of a fake fan he is since the very original April from the comics is black
Bro, all I saw was this dude shitting on that nee Fairly Oddparents reboot and now I see everyone beating his ass and exposing him.
Ain’t no way boy😭
Of the animated iterations, 2003 is my favorite and it's mostly not close tbh, I love the old Eastman and Laird comics and I feel it is by far the closest to capturing the essence of them and bringing that to the small screen, not only that it expands upon those comics with lots of unique new elements and maybe recontextualizing older ones to either flesh them out further or just make them a little more sensible, as the OG comics were rooted in satire and sometimes over the top for the sake of it, and best of all it didn't talk down to it's audience regardless of age and they pushed as much as they could past the radar as could be tolerated for a Y7 show, especially one on 4Kids I love the art style, sound track, one of the few 4Kids shows that I feel is almost perfectly casted, seriously I think everyone especially the four turtles actors all nail what their character is all about, I'm not sure it prefer to the Mirage TMNT but I do think it's my favorite time ever seeing them animated.
All this aside I love TMNT as a whole and the variation of the various series' is it's greatest strengths there are things I really love about 87, Rise, 2012, that just don't have a place in 2003 and that's 100% fine, change is what's kept this franchise fun for 40 years, and his ignorance to this makes fans of my favorite cartoon of all time btw look awful as well as stupid, I want you to know not everyone who likes 03 acts like this.
This. This right I agree with what you said
He also hate TMNT 2012 show and fandom, like he's more obsessed with reboots than the tmnt 2003 favoritism, i know TMNT 2012 had some flaws but it's not an excuse to nitpick other versions and be obsessed with not only a franchise, also with a only one show.
I realate alot to Leo in 2012 and rise.
Also, rise is'nt my favorit tv show(2012 is), though none of them are bad at all(Exept the next mutation). Also I can't stop seeing Ben Schwartz as Randy Cuningham... :)
To me everytime Rise leo talks, all i hear is Movie Sonic being flamboyant 😂😂😂
@@princessarnasan3725 And I here Randy, also in the sonic movies... Randy has takeing over my mind...
@@awiedhuman159 😂😂😂😂
I love how people ignored how 1987 2012 and 2003 are technically reboots in 2018 when Rise was new and fresh, especially how 1987 is more comedy focused and yet people jumped Rise for it having some comedy focus.
i haven’t been in this community very long but in my 10 months of being a tmnt fan i have seen SO MANY people dismiss/hate on other iterations simply for being different. like, isn’t that the whole point of the new iterations?
i really hope people stop being so close minded when it comes to newer tmnt iterations. blind criticism has already gotten one series cancelled, who says it won’t happen again?
Also, I just want to bring this up cause this piece of misinformation makes me feel like I'm having an aneurism. making the statement of making April black as race swapping. This is hugely misinformation, and I blame this on the one articles taking tweets from the og creators with no context with the image of April's 2nd comic book iteration when, in actuality, the creators were talking about her first appearance. Now, in case some people are confused, go watch the 2014 documentary, Turtle Power: The Definitive History of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. But in short, April's first comic book appearance in name, was named after April Fisher, Kevin Eastmans, former wife, then girlfriend at the time, and while in appearance April 'O Neil did not take after the real April Fisher it seemed there was a conflict as to what race they wanted to make her, cause one creator said they envisioned her as white, while the other said they envisioned her as Asian and it's pretty obvious from her ambiguous appearance about that conflict. But, here comes the but, April's second appearance in the early years of the comics was supposed to look like the real April Fisher, and for context, April Fisher was infact black and white mixed it was evident that's what they went for in the comics by giving her curly black/brown hair, bigger lips and they gave her dark skin both on the cover and in the original colored versions of the comics. So there you go, April's race, while not exactly black or white, didn't exactly have a right or wrong answer, and that includes if you designed her to be Afrocentric. I want people to stop claiming April being black is blackwashing or raceswapping cause that's just not true cause even the creators didn't know what to make her.
3:21 exactly. To quote episode one (THE FIRST ONE. ITS FREE ON YT (I think). EVERYONE CAN WATCH THIS.): “what, I can’t make a joke in the middle of the craziest thing ever? That’s how I cope!”
He’s also insanely strategic, can read people and predict their next moves and thinks quick on his feet. He just has an infinite amount of insecurities holding him back (there’s a really good video essay about him possibly having an inferiority complex I can highly recommend).
"Man. Tom got turned into a square and next minute was fine. Where's the consistency?" Omfg I'm crying lol
I fuck with the ending message
i feel like this dude says he likes tmnt and is a huge fan only because it was his personality as a kid and he couldn't find anything else to define himself, so he stuck to it, without any actual passion for the franchise
I agree with what you have said. Each version of any franchise should have its own form of uniqueness.
SPOILER ALERT:
14:15 This is funny because the cartoon he adores is TMNT 2003. Its version of Shredder is not even the REAL Oroku Saki. It's the sadistic criminal Utrom Ch'rell. The actual Saki didn't factor in as a main villain until S5. The Turtle's battles and struggles weren't against Saki but Ch'rell. It deviated from the source material to tell a new story. And it was sick.
Every TMNT show or Comic and Movie has it's own fans that we all respect Each other. But this guy is the most misinformed person i had ever saw
As someone who loves the 2003 TMNT series it really is sad seeing fans only able to dislike the changes of the modern show. I will admit it’s my personal favorite iteration but all versions of the show have great aspects. Heck my favorite Turtle is Mikey and his 2012 self is my favorite iteration even above 2003 (though that version is still great). It just sucks 2003 fans are being like old 90s fans and never wanting change from what they grew up with. Heck even those fans aren’t as bad as this guy is with the stuff in rise or 2012.
This is literally what the Rise S1 finale was about. The Turtles try conforming to the traditional “Hamato Way” because they think it’ll make them better fighters, only to discover that doing “their own thing” is what helps them win in the end.
If that isn’t a direct middle finger to uppity TMNT traditionalists, idk what is.
Does A.S.K Air know how the Ninja Turtles comics came to be?
Guys, good news… A.S.K. Air’s TH-cam channel got taken down/ he deleted his TH-cam channel because of the amount of hate he’s gotten
C’mon! Even the woman who ate pizza every day and had a Mikey costume from Totally Obsessed can accept Rise!
A.S.K Air not knowing what type of animation the newest movie is as CARTOON REVIEWER IS EMBARASSING
As a HUGE TMNT fan, I truly loved this!! ❤❤
I’m a huge fan of 2012, but I can also acknowledge it has flaws. I also love Rise, but again, I can acknowledge it had flaws and was done a MASSIVE disservice by Nickelodeon. But the beauty of this franchise is that every version has something to offer for everyone- whether it be the storytelling, the animation or the characters, each iteration creates new versions that have since become iconic!!
It’s also very ironic cuz I REALLY didn’t like ‘03 😂😂😂😂
It breaks my heart cuz every version deserves recognition for bringing something new and fresh to the table for new generations. I hope you get more subs, you knocked this out of the park!!
Keep up the great work!! COWABUNGA ❤
I loved Rise and still do. Its one of my favorite incarnations of the series. The animations of the fight scenes were clean!
Dudes like this make the rest of us 2003 fans look bad.
Forreal 😂
Agreed.
Funnily enough he’s the only 2003 fan that I have seen that act like that to the other tmnt series
@@Mick-wick
I've seen a few others on Twitter but they don't seem to have a TH-cam channel so they aren't as loud
I haven't seen Rise of the TMNT yet, but this video makes me want to see it because I've had it on the backburner for a while and heard many good things. And Mutant Mayhem was fun. Also, as a 2003 TMNT and TMNT fan in general, we do not include A.S.K Air.
2003 is my favorite iteration, but I enjoy Rise and Mutant Mayhem a lot BECAUSE of their differences to 2003. Rise shakes up the dynamics and characters in fun new ways while having some amazing animation, and Mutant Mayhem is a heartfelt story about kids wanting to fit in.
This franchise has always been innovating and changing in exciting ways, heck, even though 2003 is super faithful to the original comics, they still make unique changes that fit with that show's world, such as Shredder being an Utrom, it might sound ridiculous on the outside, but the way the flesh it out makes Ch'rell a terrifying Shredder.
14:04
Only pointing this out because it serves the point about change often being good for the tmnt, but the original comics had them all as red. It didn't matter as much because they comics were in black and white. The addition of the colored headbands was still a great decision though.
Man this is why I cannot take some 2003 fanboys seriously 😂
I never understood why TMNT has a nostalgia biased fanbase. As someone who grew up watching the 2007 movie, 2012 show, Batman vs TMNT, rise, and enjoys Mutant Mayhem, I respect that each version has its own unique way to tell their stories. If we can have different versions and stories of Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man, then we can have different interpretations of TMNT
The same reason Sonic does. There's so many different continuities of him, and even different eras of the games treat the cast differently. Everyone grew up with different eras of Sonic, and have different beliefs on what Sonic should be like based on that. Same with TMNT. Some like the goofy Classic Turtles. Some like the more serious 03 Turtles. Some like 2012. And some like Rise.
I was and still am obsessed with Rise, I watched every episode. I bought it on Amazon and TH-cam, I'm even teaching myself to draw so I can do fan art. The annoying fanboy rage at small changes was so ridiculous. I remember watching a Nostalgia Critic review where he missed the whole point which isn’t new. But what made me mad was all the comments saying they weren't gonna watch the show because of Doug. God forbid we get anything creative.
If every iteration was the same than there’d be no point to make them and also the kids won’t care and move on
Even as someone who grew up with the 2003 version (and did have this same mindset when I was younger), I gave Rise a shot because it looked interesting, and enjoyed it so far. I actually do like the changes for the turtles (both their roles and appearances) with Donnie being my favorite.
Okay so I'm a new fan to the TMNT and I'm an adult so... I like to think I'm quite impartial bc I didn't grow up watching the TMNT so I don't have nostalgia blinding me. I watched Mutant Mayhem in the cinema SOLELY because the animation looked cool. Later in time I was slumped and I had nothing to watch so... I gave Rise a try and... here I am! I was introduced to the TMNT world through MM and Rise and I have seen the rest afterwards. And I'm gonna be super honest here: but watching the turtles fight Shredder and Krang over and over and over can get quite... tiring. Specially bc neither are particularly compelling as villains. I watched the different iterations in no particular order but my favourite arcs are the ones in which we deviate from the standard formula of TMNT. In 2012 I loved the first part of the 4 season when they're in space having adventures with the Fugitoid and in 2003 I loooved the Battle Nexus arc. And after consuming pretty much all the franchise has to offer I can confidently say Rise stays my favourite. Wanna know why? BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT! Because the animation and design are absolutely amazing. Because even though they DO fight the shredder and krang its NOT the same ol same ol, you know?? I firmly believe that part of the charm of the TMNT is that they adapt. They adapt to the times and the generations. They are constantly changing. Mutant Mayhem is a pretty conservative take on the turtles and yet nobody can say they aren't doing their own fucking thing.
I lost track but my point was that someone who can't accept change can never be a good fan of this franchise. Because TMNT = change. It could've never have survived otherwise. If it had stayed the same as it was in the 80... gosh. Have you seen 87??? It's classic and it's history but GODS is it hard to watch.
Personally rise was not for me but I get why people enjoy it and I didn’t really complain about it that much
Been a TMNT fan since 03 and while I don't care for Rise, I can't say most of his takes on it he gave in the video (at least what I heard) are true either, especially comparing it to TTG. First off, low hanging fruit, and second off, the two shows have almost nothing in common aside from superfluous stuff like episodes being segments and a focus on humor occasionally. I remember getting recommended the guy's video on the "downfall of TMNT 2012" (which I don't think had much of a downfall) and I'm very glad I didn't watch it
My brother in mutagen is crazy
One of my favorite aspects about Rise is the character design and animation
So far, this is the most work character artists have put into making each turtle seem like their own character and not palette swaps of each other
As a tmnt fan, I love it when creators who are rebooting tmnt make little to big changes bc that just makes them more interesting. That’s what I love about Rise! It even inspired me to make my own little version of tmnt. The reason why creators make changes is bc it’s fun.
Something tells me A.S.K Dead Air didn't get the memo that the original TMNT comics depicted April as African-American, adding to how much of a fake fan he is
Fastest way to tell he's a faker: *HE CALLED 2012 MONA LISA A NEW CHARACTER* 😬
this guy is absolutely delusional; rise of the TMNT is PEAK
This video is the exact definition of "it's bad because it's different."
Honestly ROTTMNT was an eye opener for me. I used to hate it because that's what everyone was doing, I basically jumped on a bandwagon despite never seeing a single episode, but after I've seen TMNT fighting Shredder on TH-cam I decided Imma give the show a chance... And I was not disappointed. Now I think ROTTMNT is one of if not the best series, it has story, humor, good animations, character development... Yeah the show is childish sometimes but I guess that's what it supposed to be, seeing how TMNT was always aiming at kids/teens. The series is awesome and I wish more people gave it a chance.
The irony of this video, at least in my prospective, is that while deriding a person for being a fake fan, he would do the same to you, and it's because the issue isn't "this person fakes liking a thing" and more "toxic fandom will doom us all."
This is crazy, bro! Hazel is not a female Timmy Turner! She's her own character! They made her different to prove that she doesn't need to be race or gender swapped from a white character! That's just stupid! Also, he is a fake TMNT fan if hates Rise of the TMNT! 'Cause that show slaps, man! How could you NOT like that show if you're a TMNT fan? It still has everything that you could expect from TMNT and still pays homage to previous iterations and incarnations of the franchise! And it hasn't forgotten its hardcore Turtles fanbase, either! Even DuckTales 2017 was a great reboot that didn't try to ruin the source material, but expand upon it like what Rise did! So to say that all reboots suck no matter what is garbage! And it defeats the point of even saying that they do! 'Cause we have gotten good reboots before! And if you haven't seen it, then why even say it and how do your know? It's makes you look dumb if you don't know what you're talking about or you don't be specific when talking about how bad a reboot is and why you don't like the and what specifically you don't like about them! You're just focusing on the bad of reboots without actually talking about the good parts of them! And so your point is just left feeling half-baked and not cohesive enough to even be believable! It's insane, y'all! I genuinely cannot believe or think of what was going on inside this guy's head at all right now! 'Cause he just sounds so ridiculous in this video of his and then he goes to Twitter to have an absolute meltdown over the criticism he's getting for the video and crying about people just being stupid and not knowing what they're talking about, all kinds of bullshit and he's getting ratio'd on almost every single one of his comments that makes while everyone is having a field day roasting him and I'm so here for it! 'Cause if this guy genuinely believed what he was saying about everything was true, he wouldn't have went to Twitter to have a hissy fit copefest about it! This guy has no right to call himself a TMNT fan in my eyes if he doesn't like Rise when he doesn't know what he's talking about if he hasn't seen it, 'cause that's a genuinely good show and I think that everybody should go watch it and give it a chance, even if they're not a TMNT fan, you'll still genuinely enjoy it at least somewhat, 'cause it totally deserves some love, dude! Cowabunga! And we truly SLEPT on that series! Truly the most underrated Turtles series of all time, probably even more so than the 2003 series is and that show is a banger as well!
TMNT fans have a reason not to like Rise
@@milliondoller06what’s the reason
@@milliondoller06I mean, nobody is saying that they HAVE to like Rise, but if the reason/opinion is just “UUGHHHH THEY MADE APRIL BLACK AND CHANGED UP THE FORMULA UGHHHHH!!! ITS NOT LIKE MUH TURTLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!” then ngl that’s a childish reason/opinion, it’s a reason/opinion nonetheless but one that’s, again, childish.
@GhostTheOG people said they didn't like the overtopness with the turtles abilities like the flashy powers some people like the grounded turtles just relying on their ninja abilities instead shonen anime powers.
Many people also said they weren't really a fan of the comedy of the series. Yes, we know TMNT is not a stranger to comedy we know that. We know that each of the turtles or other characters can have their funny and charm moments. We understand Mikey is the comic relief character of the series but it comes a point when literally everyone is literally the comic relief character.
People also said they weren't a fan of the premise or direction of the series which is understandable
@@NEEDLESALADfair
As a Tmnt fan whose first TMNT series was the 2003 show, I can understand why A.S.K. Air would praise the 2003 series as it was the series that was the closest to the original comics and had great character development. But that doesn't mean he has to shame the other series just because it not just like the 2003 series. Each series has the right to be it's own series and not be completely compared to others.
Do I wish some incarnations of characters were more like the 2003 series? Yes.
Do I appreciate the bold direction they take with said characters? Also yes.
Point is, you should appreciate the various TMNT series for what they're trying do for both old and new fans alike, just because it doesn't aline with what you think is a great TMNT series, it doesn't mean others won't appreciate the series in their own way.
A.S.K. Air is a clear example of someone who praises one incarnation of the franchise above others and not appreciating what the newer series bring to the franchise.
I am a big 2003 TMNT praiser, but even I can see the beauty of the other series, with ROTTMNT being my other favorite TMNT series. Yes they have their flaws, but what series doesn't. You should appreciate each incarnation of the TMNT and what they bring to the franchise.
TALK TO THEM BRO!!!!
If you don't change anything some people are gonna complain. If you change things some people are gonna complain. You just can't please everybody. I liked Rise of the Teenage Mutant Turtles. I never got to watch it completely because they put it at hours I couldn't watch it. It's also like Nickelodeon wanted it to fail.
I agree that a show shouldn't be seen as lesser because it isn't what you grew up with and I think many TMNT fans are able to respect other iterations of the series and I had to learn to love Rise myself but I would say my only criticism is Rise Leo's contradictions as a character; he usually wants people to take him seriously and see his greatness despite not earning it or becoming immature in bad situations which leads to his family and friends treating him that way which leads to him coming off as a unlikable character at times due to his arrogance, immaturity, and lack of accountability which makes him not as interesting as the other versions of Leo who strive to improve themselves on top of there insecurities.
I think at the very least more Leo iterations in the future should have the core element of self improvement along with dealing with trying to be perfect in order to push his character forward.
I'm a 2003 Turtle fan too, and yeah I didn't like later series as much as that one, but I do see the value of those versions and believe they're solid takes on TMNT. This guy seems like he should understand and accept that not everything will be for him and that shouldn't mean anything he doesn't like is bad.
As a fan of 2003 TMNT, we don't claim this guy.