This sounds like when my nephew, who's a year older than me, complained about DBZ once they created all the post SS2 forms. I agree with you on this show.
i saw the thumbnail and immediately knew how disappointed you were too with how good it started, how shitty it became, and how empty you felt after you dragged yourself through to watch it ending
@@i-yell-a-lot4906I think people were expecting it to be a full blown ninja vs ninja. A more dark and grittier version of Naruto. None of them were expecting CGI robot mech vs CGI robot mech.
@@toekneetalks7153 my least favorite part is towards the end, where we get this cool ninja 1v1 between the MC and his rival. Like dude, that first person pov was legitimately great. And going back to 2D was amazing. The magic they used was fire too, but then we just went back to mechs right after..
@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411 exactly my thoughts, during that fight all i could think of was only "man if only all the fights were like this, no glowing mechs or over the top explosions, just some ninja action and techniques"
@@toekneetalks7153it looks slow but I saw the movement acted out side by side and the movement speed was normal. The CGI just takes the speed and makes it look slow. I think someone animated it too and it kept the same realistic speed.
I think the issue with the 3-episode rule is that it only applies to certain shows. Nowadays, most anime production falls apart halfway into the season due to industry standards, so if your show is just mindless garbage, then more likely than not it will fall apart even if it passed the rule. Good animation and action can only last you so long, so having a good story and characters helps.
@@rosesweetcharlotte that’s a lil different. That had little to do with the material and moreso how it was adapted, rushing its ending and cutting arcs. Even if the animation was below-average, if they’ve stuck to the manga, you would’ve still gotten an enjoyable anime. Unfortunately, that was butchered for some odd reason. But yeah, even with good characters and story, you can never be too sure if an anime won’t lose the plot and fall apart, but at least it ain’t dependent on the action and animation carrying it, like Ninja Kamui.
@@eg0zb First episode is a tiny bit rushed but genuinely has some of the best animation ever put to screen and it's incredibly well directed. The second episode is a completely different animation studio and even worse, a completely different director. Episode 3 is apparently the same and Episode 4 has the original director again but not the original animation team. I waited eagerly for 5 years and lost my mind with excitement like 2 years ago when we saw the first look at episode 1. I stayed up and left a party early to watch episode 1 when it aired. I haven't even watched episode 3 or 4 yet 😭 If episode 1 is a 10/10 then episode 2 is a 6/10 which is to say it's not terrible on an objective level BUT it's also only 60% as good as the first. I will say though the VAs and the composer and the sound editing/design are all EXCEPTIONAL in both episodes.
@@mickflick8133 damn thats rough, and hits real close to home. Currently working as an animator on a TV show and our animation team is the team that gets rushed to do everything under real tight deadlines and to pump out shitty animation while the second animation team has almost no deadlines and gets to take their time to animate wondefully. 100% it was something similar that hapenned, they did a superb episode but quickly realised they didnt have the budget to finish the series with the same quality so they hired a 2nd cheap animation team to rush things allong for a tenth of the price. Sad
Those damn power suits killed it for me. All the fights with out the damn suits was fire. Should've kept it that way but nope we got clunky robot fights. The moment I first saw them I thought "oh no please don't tell me this is the hill they wanna die on". That's were their going with this... disappointing.😑
To my understanding (maybe it’s explained in this video, haven’t finished it yet), the animation team was put under strict time constraints. Cgi is faster but more expensive then normal animation, so we can assume there was no money issues. I believe the mech suits were a result of having to use cgi, like that they were never meant to be used as much or at all in the original idea for the show.
I remember when this anime first released, it had around a 9.0 score on MAL after a couple episodes & had me scrambling to find whatever streaming service it was on so I could sign up & watch. Just a couple weeks later, the score was tanking, and I knew something must've gone seriously wrong 😅
@@rosesweetcharlotteit was just a huge disappointment it’s like being poor and all you can afford is a large bag of rice and your ecstatic that you get to eat and not starve but you don’t notice the hole in the bag and by the time your home you have an empty sack of nothingness
The blue and red against a gray background could’ve had some potential. I’d add some small red and blue lights scattered around the setting so we could have them fighting in the mostly gray areas when their at an impass and step into the red or blue lights the bathe the characters in one color when one gets the upper hand
I remember recommending this after this first episode. By the half-way point, I regretting vouching for it. Gods, that show became ass really quickly. It almost like all the animation budget went to the first couple of episodes.
I hear apparently they had a good animator ( I forgot his name )who worked on previous projects I believe some were jujitsu Kaisen season 1 and I think the other was AOT if I’m not mistaken anyway he was the one who animated the fights in the first few episodes but was the only one who could do it well and didn’t have much time to keep animating fights so they just used cgi instead to get the show done in time but idk if it’s true or not
One other thing about the last fight, was that the show established that each individual ninja had only one ultimate ninja technique, that related to them specifically. And then MC just uses his rival’s technique out of nowhere. Like I know it’s a turn your brain off show, I don’t mind that, but if you’re gonna establish rules, be consistent with them. And if you wanna break them, provide a reason why (one that makes sense at least), which they didn’t.
It's established that other people can learn your technique. It's referenced several times in the series. The main protagonist and his rival were very close, so I don't think it's that far-fetched for him to know it.
"Has very strong three episodes" Ah yes we've returned to the early 2000's classic 'lets use all the budget and effort into first eps to reel people in and then use talking heads for rest episodes" standard in anime. It was a *real* bummer sometimes. Yokai Ningen Bem in 2006 was possibly the worst offender I came across back then.
There are MANY ways that as both an anime fan and creative writing graduate, that I would fix Ninja Kamui's story and characters. But I'll only go over how I would fix the Mech suits. First of all, get rid of Auza, we don't need another generic evil corporation. Secondly, make it 2D not 3D. And rather than have the Mech suits be well Mech suits, make them a supernatural transformation. Essentially I would make the Gisoku Gears the Secret Arts. Each character would have a spirit that they are able to manifest the powers of, for Higan his spirit would be Kamui, Zai would get Reaper and so on and so forth. This would explain the distinct appearances of the "suits" would be different, but also why Higan's aura colour is different. Kamui is a spirit of vengeance, it ties back to the core themes. This is just how I personally would fix the Gisoku Gears and Secret Arts. Because trust me there is so many things in this show that have such EASY, and I mean EASY fixes to them, that it begs the question, of why didn't the writers care?
The same with korra (semi offtopic) it was tolerable until the mech part. The secret to a good mech anime…is to START as a MECH ANIME. If you do a “surprise we have mechs now” BS, it’s 95% gonna flop.
Yeah, the suits definitely look like they were done in CGI, as opposed to 2D animation. If anything, it looks like the "Armored Adventures" 3D Iron Man cartoon from about a decade ago. I'm not strictly anti-CGI, modern Star Wars cartoons can do some great stuff with it (though they haven't figured out how to do good fistfights yet) just as the first example that comes to mind, but I don't think it mixes well when used alongside 2D animation, and it does not seem like this studio know how to do it very well... Which stands out a hell of a lot more when they're clearly *crazy good* at 2D animated action scenes. It just makes me wonder why they bothered with the 3D CGI when using it was taking away from ehat they actually had the skills to deliver on.
I heard the animator who did the badass fights was the only one who could do them well and couldn’t keep animating them and be on schedule with the anime’s release so they used cgi to fill in the fights and be on schedule so it wasn’t a money issue it was lack of talent depth issue in animators but idk if that’s 100% true I seen it on twitter being discussed and recently on TH-cam being discussed
Most likely scheduling conflicts as well as a lot of time crunch CGI saves a lot of time and labor for much cheaper because at the end of the day all the executives care about is the profit and they want it fast
A friend of mine made a valid point about the mechs. If they really wanted to go that route (technology enhancing their abilities) instead of having full blown mechs they should’ve been high tech body armor or exoskeletons like what some characters wore in the Metal Gear games to keep up with cyborgs primary example being Jetstream Sam before the cyborg arm. Instead we got stuck with the CGI mechs snd everytime I see those final fights I'm just glad I jumped ship when I did. Opening song still slaps though so at least we got something.
8:20 I'm not sure what CGI software they're using but there's ways to make 3d look kinda 2nd or make it more fluid one I like doing impact frames and distorting the body make it more exaggerated I use blender btw you have more control of what you're doing than other software
the CGI suits look like they were introduced in order to cut down on costs which probably got mostly spent on those good first three episodes, which does seem to be a scummy habit in the anime industry now. I definitely don't blame the animators, though. I can imagine they had to do the normal backbreaking work that goes into animating fights like this but it's possible studios higher ups didn't want to risk spending so much money on an anime only like this. Of course this is just speculation but it def feels like a bait and switch thing. CGI fights can definitely be good as seen with things like early RWBY or land of the lustrous but the dull vibe of the plot kinda implies to me that not a lot of care was put into anything else other than ensuring people watch the well animated first 3 episodes with a chance to sunken-cost fallacy into watching the rest of it.
I heard ( via twitter and TH-cam) it was because they only had 1 good animator ( he supposedly worked on jujitsu kaisen season 1 fight scenes ) who could make the fights good and he couldn’t do them all alone and be on time for the anime’s scheduled release so they used cgi to stay on time and created the monstrosity we know now
I gave Ninja Kamui a BIG chance after the first three episodes, then was solely disappointed by the 5th episode......I've never seen any show drop the ball THIS bad
I think the issue with the fight scenes is just the artistic constraints. Studios today are still working to shift to using UE5, if they're ever planning to. I don't know how the whole animation thing is done, but the fact that the dip happens consistently to other animes that uses CGI, it seems a good hypothesis to use as a reason for the 'why'.
I've pushed through the first 4 episodes, and gotta say I mostly agree with all your criticism. But for me the lackluster story and characters were harder to look over.
Subscribed off this video alone. I couldn’t describe how each bit of information you gave was so utterly true. I was so excited for this show and I got hooked off of just episode one just to have episode 5-6 to roll around and make me genuinely think I starting watching the wrong show
You can imagine the whiplash i got from watching episode 3 then going onto episode 4. I legit thought i skipped an episode because it felt like it skipped some more fights and moments before getting to the Anzu base. Then you add the mechs and i had a feeling that the anime jumped the shark. I clinged on to hope but stopped after episode 5. Such wasted potential.
Since they introduce the weird ass mech suits I immediately drooled cuz it veered so far away from the ninja aspect it set up in the beginning. And I'm so glad I dropped it from what I've been hearing
My partner and I were so bored with it that we fell asleep on the couch and we both woke up about 2 hours later with it still playing. There was some big fight scene happening and neither one of us cared to rewind. It was like biting into a beautiful pie that's filled with sawdust.
I found it extremely hard to keep up with the first few action scenes. The opening is the only fight I appreciated but this story is also mild and u don't really care for anyone
9:00, I feel like many anime and manga have the "too many damn characters" issue, and honestly, most would do to have around 20-30% of the cast fused into other characters resulting in a smaller cast that's more impactful and memorable.
I love seven deadly sins, it’s such a good show. If they kept the same studio then it would’ve became one of the best series out there, but is was cut short because of studio change
I didn't knew you had a secondary anime channel, heck, I didn't even knew you liked anime! Instant subscribed uncle Tony. I want more. What is more, is there a chance to see you do blind let's plays? That would be really neat
Thanks man for making this video, I even decided to make a video like this on my own, if I didnt find a video like this, but I am lucky I found this, thanks a lot man
This Anime started so good... but in the second half turned into a completely different show and it was ruined. The whole thing about Ninja's and their Ninja arts and "the code", was pointless. When the Cybernetic armor suits came out it changed into a completely different show. Then they reveal Emma is also a Ninja, changing her into a completely different character, and after that, they kill her in the dumbest way for no apparent reason. Why even have her in the first place. 7 episodes of a character that leads to absolutely nothing.
I totally agree. 1st 2 episode I was so hooked and even shared with my friends...however on episode 5 I was now like eish wish I didn't share this anima, its sooooo bad now.
When I finished this series, I thought about it and realized I had the same feelings about “The Matrix Resurrections” - dissatisfaction and then indifference. Had me at the start though.
I love body mechs but only 2 anime have ever done it correctly, code Geass, and another that I forgot the name of but it was basically a virus that gave them body mechs and they were crazy and the MC was just a guy that couldn't walk after a racing accident and wanted to race again
I started it and was so excited during the first 3 episodes. I remember seeing the mechs and telling my junior bro I don’t like the introduction of those suits. Totally threw me off
The thing that killed it for me was the mech-suits. Those mech suits and abilities have nothing to do with ninjas, it didn't matter how much the design was inspired by Ninjas and Samurais. They just changed the theme of the show. I was introduced to super strong ninjas, but then half-way through the show they become useless without the suits. The chick literally said it that the suits are just better. I just dropped it.
The Fable has the expecations to even a non-combat anime about a man who can do the best looking combat but fights it everyday during his vacation as a pro merc. It's actually really good and doesn't do too much with a mature version of slice of life.
This sounds like when my nephew, who's a year older than me, complained about DBZ once they created all the post SS2 forms. I agree with you on this show.
The thing is, a robot ninja fight could be really cool. A fast paced showdown with each fighter landing blows that would be fatal if not for the robot suit. The problem is everything is so fucking slow that it makes it seem like a kid playing with bionicles
I had hopes for ninja kamui. When they rolled in the cyber suits. I was sorely disappointed. Honestly, if they hadn't given the protag a suit as well, I think it would have been ok.
Brother , I just saw the latesr Shangri La Frontier and I WAS SCREAMING MY LUNGS OUT , NOOOOO FUCKIN NOOOOOO, WHY THE FUUUUUUUKKKKKK BURNING OUT DOESNT MEAN DOING THAT ACTUALLY FUKKIN CRAZY
the only show where the 3 ep rule didnt work for me was ergo proxy, it infact takes abt 7 eps to get good and my god after watching it, i was left with a sweet memory and a longing for a season 2
Kaiju No. 8 is on a different level, likable main character and insane fights + great story. Solo Leveling is a hit as well with awesome fights. Both these anime will get better and crazier in season 2. As for Ninja Kamui, the second they introduced the mechs, I dropped the anime. It's funny because, I think Kaiju No 8 is kind of a mech anime in a weird way :)))
I love the beginning episodes I thought it was fucking dope. I tried to hang on for the rest of it but every time I tried to watch it I kept falling asleep. It definitely took me by complete surprise when they introduced all the mech suits
I must have an 8 episode grace period, because I keep dropping anime at episode 8. It’s kinda tough though because I’m almost done with the standard 12 episode a season, but I can’t be bothered to finish them
The Show had something going for it in the First Episode but later on, I do agree that the Mechs fighting each other was pretty bad and focusing on multiple characters got kinda confusing because this Series is about the Main Character wanting Revenge for his family being murdered
Seems like studios figured out the 3 ep rule... now the only thing we gotta do is keep moving the goalpost until the studios are forced to make every episode really fucking good. 4 episode rule dropping rn.
Watching this video reminds me that actually i didn't drop this show & watched it until the end. The problem is.. I totally forgot about it, i have no any recollection of the last episode 😅
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0:16 I've seen this meme everywhere I go. This one clip, this god forsaken frame. where is it from?????
This sounds like when my nephew, who's a year older than me, complained about DBZ once they created all the post SS2 forms. I agree with you on this show.
i saw the thumbnail and immediately knew how disappointed you were too with how good it started, how shitty it became, and how empty you felt after you dragged yourself through to watch it ending
WHAT, YOU DON'T LIKE ROBOT SUITS IN YOUR NINJA SHOW? 😅
@@i-yell-a-lot4906 No, we dont
@@i-yell-a-lot4906I think people were expecting it to be a full blown ninja vs ninja. A more dark and grittier version of Naruto. None of them were expecting CGI robot mech vs CGI robot mech.
@@gdottothegamer1001I feel like people would've been fine with the robots if they weren't cgi
Exactly my thoughts, I had to force myself to finish it.
I haven't seen this show, but even from the clips you showed you can see once the mechs come out, they move like molasses
It's so upsetting, because like the choreography isn't even bad, it's just so slow that it looks awful.
@@toekneetalks7153 my least favorite part is towards the end, where we get this cool ninja 1v1 between the MC and his rival. Like dude, that first person pov was legitimately great. And going back to 2D was amazing. The magic they used was fire too, but then we just went back to mechs right after..
@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411 exactly my thoughts, during that fight all i could think of was only "man if only all the fights were like this, no glowing mechs or over the top explosions, just some ninja action and techniques"
@@toekneetalks7153it looks slow but I saw the movement acted out side by side and the movement speed was normal. The CGI just takes the speed and makes it look slow. I think someone animated it too and it kept the same realistic speed.
Mech are not supposed to be super fast they kept it realistic
I think the issue with the 3-episode rule is that it only applies to certain shows. Nowadays, most anime production falls apart halfway into the season due to industry standards, so if your show is just mindless garbage, then more likely than not it will fall apart even if it passed the rule. Good animation and action can only last you so long, so having a good story and characters helps.
You can even have a good story and good characters and it can mess up. Like Promised Nederland.
@@rosesweetcharlotte that’s a lil different. That had little to do with the material and moreso how it was adapted, rushing its ending and cutting arcs. Even if the animation was below-average, if they’ve stuck to the manga, you would’ve still gotten an enjoyable anime. Unfortunately, that was butchered for some odd reason.
But yeah, even with good characters and story, you can never be too sure if an anime won’t lose the plot and fall apart, but at least it ain’t dependent on the action and animation carrying it, like Ninja Kamui.
I use the 3 episode rules....even after the 3 episode if that's the case.
@@Chenso2099 The manga was barely better than the anime tbh
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No promised netherland manga sucked too. Just in a different way
"Ninja Kamui was a disappointment, but at least we have Uzumaki coming to adult swim."
- Said the person who I miss I was before I knew
REAL. Man episode 1 was so good too why did they swap the director and studio 😭😭😭
Is uzumaki not good?
@@eg0zb First episode is a tiny bit rushed but genuinely has some of the best animation ever put to screen and it's incredibly well directed. The second episode is a completely different animation studio and even worse, a completely different director. Episode 3 is apparently the same and Episode 4 has the original director again but not the original animation team. I waited eagerly for 5 years and lost my mind with excitement like 2 years ago when we saw the first look at episode 1. I stayed up and left a party early to watch episode 1 when it aired. I haven't even watched episode 3 or 4 yet 😭
If episode 1 is a 10/10 then episode 2 is a 6/10 which is to say it's not terrible on an objective level BUT it's also only 60% as good as the first.
I will say though the VAs and the composer and the sound editing/design are all EXCEPTIONAL in both episodes.
@@mickflick8133 damn thats rough, and hits real close to home. Currently working as an animator on a TV show and our animation team is the team that gets rushed to do everything under real tight deadlines and to pump out shitty animation while the second animation team has almost no deadlines and gets to take their time to animate wondefully. 100% it was something similar that hapenned, they did a superb episode but quickly realised they didnt have the budget to finish the series with the same quality so they hired a 2nd cheap animation team to rush things allong for a tenth of the price. Sad
@@mickflick8133bro it’s not even 60%….its 6%
Those damn power suits killed it for me. All the fights with out the damn suits was fire. Should've kept it that way but nope we got clunky robot fights. The moment I first saw them I thought "oh no please don't tell me this is the hill they wanna die on". That's were their going with this... disappointing.😑
Same I dropped it when I saw them do that 😂
Solo leveling with clunky robot suits?????😮
@@muramasa870 I hope not
To my understanding (maybe it’s explained in this video, haven’t finished it yet), the animation team was put under strict time constraints. Cgi is faster but more expensive then normal animation, so we can assume there was no money issues. I believe the mech suits were a result of having to use cgi, like that they were never meant to be used as much or at all in the original idea for the show.
Yeah i immediately lost all interest when the mechs were introduced
I remember when this anime first released, it had around a 9.0 score on MAL after a couple episodes & had me scrambling to find whatever streaming service it was on so I could sign up & watch.
Just a couple weeks later, the score was tanking, and I knew something must've gone seriously wrong 😅
I had a bad feeling when I first saw the previews. I just had a feeling? The animation just didn't wow me and the plot seemed too simple
@@rosesweetcharlotteit was just a huge disappointment it’s like being poor and all you can afford is a large bag of rice and your ecstatic that you get to eat and not starve but you don’t notice the hole in the bag and by the time your home you have an empty sack of nothingness
@@gunsarefun4618 So well put thx U , sir .
The ninja part was amazing, then everything changed when the Kamui Nation attacked 😭😭😭😭😭
The blue and red against a gray background could’ve had some potential. I’d add some small red and blue lights scattered around the setting so we could have them fighting in the mostly gray areas when their at an impass and step into the red or blue lights the bathe the characters in one color when one gets the upper hand
I remember recommending this after this first episode. By the half-way point, I regretting vouching for it. Gods, that show became ass really quickly. It almost like all the animation budget went to the first couple of episodes.
I hear apparently they had a good animator ( I forgot his name )who worked on previous projects I believe some were jujitsu Kaisen season 1 and I think the other was AOT if I’m not mistaken anyway he was the one who animated the fights in the first few episodes but was the only one who could do it well and didn’t have much time to keep animating fights so they just used cgi instead to get the show done in time but idk if it’s true or not
I like when people say gods, kinda reminds me of Percy Jackson.
The promised neverland s2, berserk and tokyo ghoul has it the worst in my opinion😂😂
Yeah as far as stuff with actual source material, gonna hard to beat those.
You’re still a guy with a mustache clone.
Why are you always everywhere, JELLAL with a mustache 2901?
@@somethingcreative32 that ain’t him that’s a fake
@@Alter106 must be an alt account.
One other thing about the last fight, was that the show established that each individual ninja had only one ultimate ninja technique, that related to them specifically.
And then MC just uses his rival’s technique out of nowhere. Like I know it’s a turn your brain off show, I don’t mind that, but if you’re gonna establish rules, be consistent with them. And if you wanna break them, provide a reason why (one that makes sense at least), which they didn’t.
It's established that other people can learn your technique. It's referenced several times in the series. The main protagonist and his rival were very close, so I don't think it's that far-fetched for him to know it.
That’s true
sometimes anime original shows do become legendary like code geass
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Cowboy Bebop is the best example of this by far.
@@mickflick8133 nope, code geass is
Odd Taxi, Evangelion, Sonny Boy
"Has very strong three episodes"
Ah yes we've returned to the early 2000's classic 'lets use all the budget and effort into first eps to reel people in and then use talking heads for rest episodes" standard in anime. It was a *real* bummer sometimes. Yokai Ningen Bem in 2006 was possibly the worst offender I came across back then.
There are MANY ways that as both an anime fan and creative writing graduate, that I would fix Ninja Kamui's story and characters. But I'll only go over how I would fix the Mech suits.
First of all, get rid of Auza, we don't need another generic evil corporation. Secondly, make it 2D not 3D. And rather than have the Mech suits be well Mech suits, make them a supernatural transformation.
Essentially I would make the Gisoku Gears the Secret Arts. Each character would have a spirit that they are able to manifest the powers of, for Higan his spirit would be Kamui, Zai would get Reaper and so on and so forth.
This would explain the distinct appearances of the "suits" would be different, but also why Higan's aura colour is different. Kamui is a spirit of vengeance, it ties back to the core themes.
This is just how I personally would fix the Gisoku Gears and Secret Arts. Because trust me there is so many things in this show that have such EASY, and I mean EASY fixes to them, that it begs the question, of why didn't the writers care?
They should have hired you when they green lit the show to be made
@gunsarefun4618 or just anyone who could understand how to tell the story better
Exactly this is some work to how I’m thinking of ways to fix Code Geass for real
@RandomGirl785 Code Geass??? That show needs fixing? Lol
it's so weird that there's a mix of "secret arts", that feel like they're just there, and then mech suits, which become a... just there lol
Without being complicated Ninja Kamui messed up b/c it went Mech !
I don't even know why they had to be mechs. Why? Like, why not just cool simple suits?
The same with korra (semi offtopic) it was tolerable until the mech part.
The secret to a good mech anime…is to START as a MECH ANIME. If you do a “surprise we have mechs now” BS, it’s 95% gonna flop.
no it messed up because it went shitty slow cg because they only had one talented animator
This one is the answere. I was absolutely hooked until those mechs showed up. Watched two more episodes and dropped it after that.
Exactly
I don't know how many episodes I endured but I got bored and never finished
Yeah, the suits definitely look like they were done in CGI, as opposed to 2D animation. If anything, it looks like the "Armored Adventures" 3D Iron Man cartoon from about a decade ago.
I'm not strictly anti-CGI, modern Star Wars cartoons can do some great stuff with it (though they haven't figured out how to do good fistfights yet) just as the first example that comes to mind, but I don't think it mixes well when used alongside 2D animation, and it does not seem like this studio know how to do it very well... Which stands out a hell of a lot more when they're clearly *crazy good* at 2D animated action scenes.
It just makes me wonder why they bothered with the 3D CGI when using it was taking away from ehat they actually had the skills to deliver on.
I heard the animator who did the badass fights was the only one who could do them well and couldn’t keep animating them and be on schedule with the anime’s release so they used cgi to fill in the fights and be on schedule so it wasn’t a money issue it was lack of talent depth issue in animators but idk if that’s 100% true I seen it on twitter being discussed and recently on TH-cam being discussed
Most likely scheduling conflicts as well as a lot of time crunch CGI saves a lot of time and labor for much cheaper because at the end of the day all the executives care about is the profit and they want it fast
I haven't had a more "wait what the fuck happened" moment between two episodes of a show in I think ever
i completely agree, i was hooked on the first episode and after that Ninja Kamui fell off so quick when they added the mecca suits
A friend of mine made a valid point about the mechs. If they really wanted to go that route (technology enhancing their abilities) instead of having full blown mechs they should’ve been high tech body armor or exoskeletons like what some characters wore in the Metal Gear games to keep up with cyborgs primary example being Jetstream Sam before the cyborg arm. Instead we got stuck with the CGI mechs snd everytime I see those final fights I'm just glad I jumped ship when I did. Opening song still slaps though so at least we got something.
We get ninjas, who are known for stealth and fluidity in their movements AND THENNNNN we put them in Iron Man Suits
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3:19 that narrator was a hater
If the talking part is boring, then the show is probably going to be bad.
8:20 I'm not sure what CGI software they're using but there's ways to make 3d look kinda 2nd or make it more fluid one I like doing impact frames and distorting the body make it more exaggerated I use blender btw you have more control of what you're doing than other software
That ending fight is giving me a headache
the CGI suits look like they were introduced in order to cut down on costs which probably got mostly spent on those good first three episodes, which does seem to be a scummy habit in the anime industry now. I definitely don't blame the animators, though. I can imagine they had to do the normal backbreaking work that goes into animating fights like this but it's possible studios higher ups didn't want to risk spending so much money on an anime only like this. Of course this is just speculation but it def feels like a bait and switch thing.
CGI fights can definitely be good as seen with things like early RWBY or land of the lustrous but the dull vibe of the plot kinda implies to me that not a lot of care was put into anything else other than ensuring people watch the well animated first 3 episodes with a chance to sunken-cost fallacy into watching the rest of it.
I heard ( via twitter and TH-cam) it was because they only had 1 good animator ( he supposedly worked on jujitsu kaisen season 1 fight scenes ) who could make the fights good and he couldn’t do them all alone and be on time for the anime’s scheduled release so they used cgi to stay on time and created the monstrosity we know now
I gave Ninja Kamui a BIG chance after the first three episodes, then was solely disappointed by the 5th episode......I've never seen any show drop the ball THIS bad
They didn’t drop the ball. They fucking threw it.
@@ruwhite6312they popped the ball
Me: Yes! The final fight is going to be without the suits!
*Final Fight is with the suits
Me: Nooo!!!
If even Tsuda Kenjiro couldn't save it... then i dont know what could've save it
I think the issue with the fight scenes is just the artistic constraints. Studios today are still working to shift to using UE5, if they're ever planning to. I don't know how the whole animation thing is done, but the fact that the dip happens consistently to other animes that uses CGI, it seems a good hypothesis to use as a reason for the 'why'.
I've pushed through the first 4 episodes, and gotta say I mostly agree with all your criticism. But for me the lackluster story and characters were harder to look over.
Subscribed off this video alone. I couldn’t describe how each bit of information you gave was so utterly true. I was so excited for this show and I got hooked off of just episode one just to have episode 5-6 to roll around and make me genuinely think I starting watching the wrong show
Holy smokes, a random ToekneeTalks video appears in my feed! Hyped for this!!!
You can imagine the whiplash i got from watching episode 3 then going onto episode 4. I legit thought i skipped an episode because it felt like it skipped some more fights and moments before getting to the Anzu base. Then you add the mechs and i had a feeling that the anime jumped the shark. I clinged on to hope but stopped after episode 5. Such wasted potential.
This show is like giving a chatgpt prompt on a cool ninja anime and then it just took it in a completely different direction
Since they introduce the weird ass mech suits I immediately drooled cuz it veered so far away from the ninja aspect it set up in the beginning. And I'm so glad I dropped it from what I've been hearing
My partner and I were so bored with it that we fell asleep on the couch and we both woke up about 2 hours later with it still playing. There was some big fight scene happening and neither one of us cared to rewind. It was like biting into a beautiful pie that's filled with sawdust.
I found it extremely hard to keep up with the first few action scenes. The opening is the only fight I appreciated but this story is also mild and u don't really care for anyone
9:00, I feel like many anime and manga have the "too many damn characters" issue, and honestly, most would do to have around 20-30% of the cast fused into other characters resulting in a smaller cast that's more impactful and memorable.
I love seven deadly sins, it’s such a good show. If they kept the same studio then it would’ve became one of the best series out there, but is was cut short because of studio change
Ahahahaha no
@@crazymage5316 right now the have a sequel going, the wouldn’t have if nobody watched it. It had good characters and a great world
@@monsterhunter4life975 i meant it being good.
@@crazymage5316 bro shut up it’s a good show, your hating for zero reason except, “seven deadly frames🤓
@@monsterhunter4life975 nah all the pdo and grooming stuff creepy
fully agree, i think i gave up caring after ep 5 or 6 so i never saw the end
Steins;Gate *and* Monster mentioned?! I knew you were one of my favorite creators for a reason. Just gotta mention NGE now. 😛
Ninja Kamui is better than these 2
Steins;Gate and Monster are leagues above Evangelion imo.
@@Gundam-Primeyeah. Evangelion is good at all. But those two..are something else.
I didn't knew you had a secondary anime channel, heck, I didn't even knew you liked anime! Instant subscribed uncle Tony. I want more. What is more, is there a chance to see you do blind let's plays? That would be really neat
Honestly speaking
I couldn't get over ep 8 and thank u for wrapping it all up for me. Ama tell my bois that I watched all of it . 😂😂😂
Thanks man for making this video, I even decided to make a video like this on my own, if I didnt find a video like this, but I am lucky I found this, thanks a lot man
I agree with everything other than the characters part. I wish they made it a bit longer to get more info on the side characters
Hey man, Takt didn’t go bad till like the last few eps, and that’s because they were constrained by the game doing things
This Anime started so good... but in the second half turned into a completely different show and it was ruined. The whole thing about Ninja's and their Ninja arts and "the code", was pointless. When the Cybernetic armor suits came out it changed into a completely different show. Then they reveal Emma is also a Ninja, changing her into a completely different character, and after that, they kill her in the dumbest way for no apparent reason. Why even have her in the first place. 7 episodes of a character that leads to absolutely nothing.
I totally agree. 1st 2 episode I was so hooked and even shared with my friends...however on episode 5 I was now like eish wish I didn't share this anima, its sooooo bad now.
2:40 that parkour movie was good imo
Agree
They should've used Cyberpunk implants or high tech ninja tools instead of suits and the anime could've been somewhat decent
if we apply the 3 episode rule towards One piece then One Piece gets good after the first 275 episodes
It's like the ultimate warrior. Super hype rushing towards the ring, after he's gas out
Yup. Episode 1 blew me away. I quit by ep 3. I didn't even make it to the mechs, lol.
The move to 3d CGI was a colossal wallop of elephant dump.... I was livid
Kamui? Watch the OG. Dagger of Kamui, 1985.
I haven't watched it since then, and I still remember it.
14:58 that was a hilarious example
Ninja Kamui was like the anime adaptation of John Wick. It had so much potential (the downfall must be studied)
I still had hope when the mech suits popped up but the fights just grinded to a halt afterwards. I don't even understand why.
Ninja Kamui first 3 episodes were AMAZING. And then it went off of a cliff and continued to free fall until the end.
When I finished this series, I thought about it and realized I had the same feelings about “The Matrix Resurrections” - dissatisfaction and then indifference. Had me at the start though.
For me it'll always be the Friendship Blast™️at the end of Soul Eater
So much buildup, man. I thought there was just gonna be...more.
How do you spell the good show he mentioned in the beginning ? Freeren ?
What's the name of site that ranks the popularity of an anime?
Myanimelist
I love body mechs but only 2 anime have ever done it correctly, code Geass, and another that I forgot the name of but it was basically a virus that gave them body mechs and they were crazy and the MC was just a guy that couldn't walk after a racing accident and wanted to race again
I started it and was so excited during the first 3 episodes. I remember seeing the mechs and telling my junior bro I don’t like the introduction of those suits. Totally threw me off
The thing that killed it for me was the mech-suits. Those mech suits and abilities have nothing to do with ninjas, it didn't matter how much the design was inspired by Ninjas and Samurais.
They just changed the theme of the show.
I was introduced to super strong ninjas, but then half-way through the show they become useless without the suits. The chick literally said it that the suits are just better.
I just dropped it.
The introduction of mechs just made me go, "yeah, this is going to turn bad from here on out "
The Fable has the expecations to even a non-combat anime about a man who can do the best looking combat but fights it everyday during his vacation as a pro merc. It's actually really good and doesn't do too much with a mature version of slice of life.
This sounds like when my nephew, who's a year older than me, complained about DBZ once they created all the post SS2 forms. I agree with you on this show.
Wasnt expecting a band i actually listen to, to be in an anime opening.
I actually did a double take when you said coldrain.
The thing is, a robot ninja fight could be really cool. A fast paced showdown with each fighter landing blows that would be fatal if not for the robot suit. The problem is everything is so fucking slow that it makes it seem like a kid playing with bionicles
ninja kamui had so much potential loved the idea and concept in the first couple episodes but once the bots came in i hated it
I had hopes for ninja kamui. When they rolled in the cyber suits. I was sorely disappointed.
Honestly, if they hadn't given the protag a suit as well, I think it would have been ok.
How can we get you to watch Thunderbolt Fantasy?
Brother , I just saw the latesr Shangri La Frontier and I WAS SCREAMING MY LUNGS OUT , NOOOOO FUCKIN NOOOOOO, WHY THE FUUUUUUUKKKKKK
BURNING OUT DOESNT MEAN DOING THAT
ACTUALLY FUKKIN CRAZY
I put it on Hiatus when I watched the first robo fight and it looks like I should make that a permanent one. Thanks!
the only show where the 3 ep rule didnt work for me was ergo proxy, it infact takes abt 7 eps to get good and my god after watching it, i was left with a sweet memory and a longing for a season 2
Thoughts on watching the first 3 episodes and then just not watching the rest of it?
Kaiju No. 8 is on a different level, likable main character and insane fights + great story. Solo Leveling is a hit as well with awesome fights. Both these anime will get better and crazier in season 2.
As for Ninja Kamui, the second they introduced the mechs, I dropped the anime. It's funny because, I think Kaiju No 8 is kind of a mech anime in a weird way :)))
I watched and finished it. I don't regret it. Flashbacks that were interesting and kept me engaged. It wasn't that bad.
I love the beginning episodes I thought it was fucking dope. I tried to hang on for the rest of it but every time I tried to watch it I kept falling asleep. It definitely took me by complete surprise when they introduced all the mech suits
For me it was that Kaiju 8 which descented from ep 2 or 3.. still haven't finished it..maybe one day
“How to ruin an anime” without even watching the promised neverland INSTANTLY pops up in my head
By the third episode I was thinking this could be a top 5 action anime. That thought faded fairly quickly.
The moment the suits came in I knew the lost it.
Should have just kept it at ninja techniques and skill only.
I must have an 8 episode grace period, because I keep dropping anime at episode 8. It’s kinda tough though because I’m almost done with the standard 12 episode a season, but I can’t be bothered to finish them
The Show had something going for it in the First Episode but later on, I do agree that the Mechs fighting each other was pretty bad and focusing on multiple characters got kinda confusing because this Series is about the Main Character wanting Revenge for his family being murdered
The introduction of mechs killed this anime along with how basic the story turn out to be and how fast it moved.
Seems like studios figured out the 3 ep rule... now the only thing we gotta do is keep moving the goalpost until the studios are forced to make every episode really fucking good. 4 episode rule dropping rn.
By the fanart too
I out my guy on this. My guy, who doesn’t like Anime loved the beginning. I felt like I really really messed up.
As soon as they revealed the mech for the mc I was out. It legit looks like an apex legends cut scene.
They tell u its bout cool modern ninjas, and then Boom its a different genre(i think/not sure) out of nowhere
yeah the mech thing kinda came out of left field i kind of wish they had a ninja vs mech thing rather than merging the 2
What site was that younger picking anime from
Yeah, I remember seeing the first two episodes and thinking 'Wow Ninja John Wick!"
Then the dumb suits with ugly CGI and lame "reveals".
2:36 from what anime is that mountaine turtles
Watching this video reminds me that actually i didn't drop this show & watched it until the end. The problem is.. I totally forgot about it, i have no any recollection of the last episode 😅