Totally agree. Bayesian probability teaches us to take into consideration prior probability and when it comes to answers from the natural vs answers from the supernatural, it's a gazillion from the natural vs zero from the supernatural.
@@XX-sp3tt supernatural and magic are equivalent in this sense. Jesus not performing medieval witchcraft is an unremarkable and unconvincing observation.
@@XX-sp3tt Except, THROUGHOUT HISTORY, EVERY MYSTERY, EVER SOLVED, HAS TURNED OUT TO BE...NOT MAGIC GODS UNICORNS GHOSTS SOULS WATER HAVING MEMORY MIRACLES MUSK INVENTING SOMETHING TRUMP BEING HONEST INSTEAD OF PURELY NARCISSISTIC ANGELS OR DEMONS OR ANY OTHER SUPERNATURAL THING Besides, you can't even show that Jesus said anything, so how about you shove it where the sun don't shine? Do you even know what language he spoke? Do you know what languages the writers of the gospels spoke and didn't speak? Do you even know the last words of Jesus when he died on a pole, because the Romans used poles to crucify criminals and throw them in mass graves? Crosses are expensive and so are tombs and dead is dead. Romans weren't idiots like you. So please tell me, you stupid pedantic shit, what makes miracles so special that they warrant consideration as an option when under the same measures you'd exclude all others, like fairies or pixies? Why are YOU so close minded? Why did you fail to include as options the possibilities that people lie, are mistaken, make up stories, try to inspire people with embellishments, etc.? And why would a miracle and a resurrection that nullifies any sacrifice be likely at all and more likely than things that happen every day? Anyway, to not overlook the last thing Minchin said, I enjoyed ranting and thinking and I hope someone else will as well. It has no use for you; you will be as stupid and ignorant as you were before you refused reading any of this and instead you rationalized your special pleading to reinforce your unjustified belief in an ultimate narcissist that, according to the stories did nothing for anything other than worship and glory for things he demonstrably didn't do, and supposedly rewards you for trusting that his endless gaslighting is loving and that you should gaslight others out of love for them - after all, we are all sinners and we don't deserve to be saved, except we all do and you're just as much a victim as you are an abuser.
I'm like a rabbit, suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap...that is my motto these days when the popular argument is "if you don't know ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, then you cannot deny my claim". Bloody 'ell...
@@UnitSe7en Yes it does 😂 That's why evolution is denied by religion (coming from the fact that religion thinks that humans were put on Earth instead of evolving from other species). That's why the fact that the Earth is 4.5 billion years and that it took billions of years to form is denied by religion (coming from the fact that religion thinks the Earth is only 6000 years old and god took 6 days to create it)...
@@ahmedal-saeedi5988 _Darwinian_ evolution is denied by a lot of religions in the common mindset, But Darwinian evolution isn't proven science fact, if you really want to gnaw at the bones of what defines 100% proven fact. As a religious individual it's perfectly clear to me that there is, in fact, some kind of evolutionary system in play, but I do not think (because I am an intelligent, thinking individual) that the modern, expanded and commonly touted theories (note that word - They *are* called theories) are the correct model. The Earth taking billions of years to form is only denied by _some_ religious _individuals._ You talk of willful ignorance, not faith; They are not the same thing. Exactly the same kind of denial is in play on the extreme scientific side of the argument as it is on the extreme religious side. I won't go into the many failings of (modern) science because the pertinent point has been made already and I'll repeat it in case you missed it: Faith is not the same as ignorance and an unwillingness to accept observation. Many people with a religious faith also accept the observations of the Earth and the Universe. Faith and ignorance are different concepts entirely. It is only the ignorant who conflate the two and it would serve you well to remember that faith is not just about the belief in God - That is a specific, theocratic association - But faith is a concept that exists regardless of any religious belief. I'll thank you not to laugh in my face again.
This woman comes to tea in a new country with a *doctor* who is doing her a favour and actively slags off his whole profession in front of him. Tim's monologue was deserved
Debasish Ray Chawdhuri Common misconception. Ancient humans who lived past infancy typically lived well into their sixties, the reason the average life expectancy was so low is because infant mortality was well over 50%.
Teth47 your statement is very broad; first you must define Ancient Humans which could be any number of civilisations, living in any number of conditions, eating any number of diets, subject to any number of diseases and conflicts. and anyhow, why don't we get to count the infant mortality rate? i think they are people too, don't you? that's like finding the average wealth of a population, but not counting the poorest people.
Daniel Benson The point is that the average age statistic is misleading in terms of telling people what age adults typically lived to, which is an important longevity statistic, and the one people are usually thinking about when they talk about life expectancy. The statement is intentionally broad, because it outlines the fact that while diet is important, so long as it's somewhat balanced, it doesn't necessarily matter what specific foods you're eating, you're going to live a reasonably long life.
Teth47 While lower infant mortality may exaggerate the lifespan gain, it's not the sole reason for it. No matter how old an ancient human was their projected lifespan was shorter than it would be today. They didn't live healthier lives than us, it's just that an ancient human was only something on the order of 2 or 3 times more likely to die at a particular stage in early to mid adulthood rather than hundreds of times more likely as an infant.
@@mathewdeering well, actually when you use the phrase "modern-day" you imply that the noun following it is something rare and only found in the past. "He's a modern day casanova." "He's a modern day Michelangelo."
This wasn't *the* thing that deconverted me--but it helped. I enjoyed the laugh at my mother's fascination with ridiculous 'natural remedies' that had no backing in science, but then Tim went on to challenge my beliefs in a god I couldn't prove. It made me uncomfortable and I powered through it, but the message lingered and so did the dissonance. I wasn't being honest with myself, and eventually I had to come to terms with that.
I had a very similar journey with Derren Brown's shows! I was enthusiastically nodding in agreement when he was showing the BS of psychics, superstitions, astrology and such, but when he came to religious faith I was holding strong against his suggestions. Then I challenged myself to some tough intellectual honesty and I agreed to just imagine for an hour that what he is saying might be right. That shocked me so much that in the end I settled on a compromise and I agreed with a conclusion to one of his specials to admit that I believe because it makes me happy not because it's the objective truth. But I couldn't maintain that type of double-think for long and a few months later I realised (with a huge relief I must say) I actually don't believe any more. I was more than 30 at that time: 30 years spent with the faith basically being the meaning of life for me.
I was having issues with organized religion and questioning a faith that espouses love all, while clearly loving money more than the poor and sick. Then a friend shared 'Thank You, God' and I fell down the rabbit hole. Finally, someone articulated what I couldn't articulate. No, Tim didn't convert me, he just gave voice to what I couldn't express.
Welcome to real life basically. You can have any faith you need, but don't put it in a fictional omnipresent being. Put it in yourself, the people you love, the human connections we make, and the absurdity that is the world. Laugh at it when you can, enjoy it. Even if Jesus did exist? It was as a guide. A bloke who tried to help people and spread the truth of "don't be crappy to others". That's really all you need to know. Congratulations for learning to think properly for yourself. It doesn't mean other fascinating and weird stuff is not out there. Dark matter, for example, is mind blowing! Apply your resolve to learning about every you can, understanding how things work. It might not make you happy like blind faith? But I'll guarantee you will like it better.
Of course you cant prove the existence of ANYTHING beyond science, that doesnt mean theres nothing. Theres too much that scientists cant fathom yet, cant measure, yet. That this video would make one de-convert is laughable and depressing. I say this as someone who has no affiliation to any organised religion, just recognises and respects the value of many of them on an individual and societal, cultural level.
I'm teary-eyed every time he reminds me of being an insignificant bit of carbon, somehow this perspective is the most moving one for me. There is an untold beauty in this.
@@XX-sp3tt Criminal? nah. It's understandable, we all miss those who pass away. But recognizing that there's nothing else, means recognizing how precious life is. Life is a super exclusive event, the only one where you'll find love and belonging, the only one where you and someone else can hold hands and be. Together. for a time so small the universe barely registers it, but a time that means everything while you have it.
You don't need faith in a God to heal with aura. You merely have to learn to control consciously, that which is controlled unconsciously, and the system it is subject to.
+Bruce Dickinson ♪ His philosophy does in fact rhyme, and may last the test of time, But you easy marks rely a bit , cos' I don't totally buy this sh!t. ♪ I almost never comment on TH-cam videos but couldn't help but attempt to shed some light on some overlooked points. I do not necessarily disagree with all the points he makes (Before your first response to this is to bombard the comment section with condescendent comments), although I do find his way of getting his points across to be quite demeaning and biased. I myself know plenty of people that rely on a whole foods diet and avoid any form of meat consumption, as it has been scientifically proven that it is in fact linked to the development of some illness(es) i.e. cardiovascular disease. He also portrays these "hippies" as the condescending ones, that there ignorant views on pharmaceutical companies are outdated and have no place in todays views on society.. ammm so what are your views on Animal Testing? Many people believe that we are no more superior to any other living thing, although his patronising portrayal of a vegetarian pretty much paints a vivid description of an arrogant, buzzkill, stubborn type, with no idea of the complexity of everything around her. Tell me, who is he to judge somebody who sees it immoral to consume another conscious, living being? "No such concerns for our vessel" What is implied here? That she is incapable of communicating on the same 'intellectual' or 'entertaining level you highly seem to place yourself on. Despite the fact that he calls himself a tiny insignificant, ignorant, bit of carbon? We may get to live twice as long as our ancestors, but should we if we'd have to listen to comedians being a d!ck about it? "may as well be 10 minutes back in time for all the chance you change your mind" I can imagine all his fan-boys going; Hmm yes, agreed. These people are in fact known to disregard what they are otherwise told.. come on dude, WHAT? "They are rather lying, or mentally ill" Perhaps so. Although every day we discover more of what couldn't be seen or heard, until the latest discovery. Could you coin me the definition you have for the term "mentally ill"? Many people are reared in certain situations that may affect there way of perceiving the world. Have you ever asked yourself why you do the things you do. Why you hesitate to even comprehend some things and views that would shock the general public? I myself am not entirely certain as to why this is, but I suspect past religious views/laws shaped much of what we live and think today. You said it yourself even; "man-made myths" By that logic, what shouldn't be seen as myth or false in what we have created thus far? Very vague statement, I know, but think about the little things that are created, and wiped out in the process. "Does the idea of knowledge frighten you?" (cough What are you fncking two?) By the way, Wikipedia once had the ability for anyone to edit the information that it had provided. I know this for a fact as a friend of mine typed into the description that he was the current king of my hometown. Also, what is your solution to drug dependency? Yes, I agree with him on many points. But, although wit, affective voice infliction and fantastic snappy, punchy animated visuals, accompanied by catchy quirky flowing jazz music is an interesting and from my perspective, somewhat manipulative form of spreading views, this does indeed have many holes and leaves the non-prejudiced individual like myself with many unanswered questions. *DISLIKE*
I keep thinking of Carl Sagan. We are star dust, on a pale blue dot, living in such a massive space that we as humans can't comprehend. I think this is more touching and moving than the idea of auras and horoscope.
Does it rally tear down everything? Does it rally insult you so greatly? That you think because I think someone wrote the rulebook, that you think therefore I must want to rip the rulebook to shreds?
Agreed. I just found a list of "the best kinetic typography" online - there were 43 examples or something like that, and STORM was not among them :( It bloody well should be.
"Water has memory, and whilst its memory of a long lost drop of onion juice seems infinite, it somehow forgets all the poo it's had in it." Made me LOL.
Have you seen that _Mitchell and Webb Look_ skit where the homeopathic "doctors" "treat" the emergency room patient then go to the pub for some homeopathic lagers? If you like to laugh at homepathy I think you'll like it
@@befe it's about homoeopathy, which is a bogus pseudoscience. Believers of the twaddle think that by diluting something in water more & more, that it makes the remedies effect stronger. It's likely that some amount of water molecules in any homeopathic "remedy" has come into contact with poo in some point in time over the millions or billions of years of that molecule's existance, so it should "retain the memory" if homeopathy is to believed
@@befe its a dig at the supposed principle behind homeopathic solutions - the more you dilute something, the more potent it becomes. So the homeopathic material is present in very small amounts and that is supposed to make it more powerful somehow. To dodge the molecular theory completely invalidating that, theyve come up with "water memory". But by the same logic the water should also remember all the poop that was in it at some point with comparable concentrations.
His timing is amazing. In the standup show he introduces it as a 9 minute beat poem. The combination of music and comedy is brilliant. Bill Bailey is another who populate this small niche with great success.
Whilst I do think the video is very well done, with plenty of humour and plenty to think about (and his 'alternative medicine' line is awesome!), there are some logical fallacies thrown in there, covered over by the humour and fast-pace of the words.
And such a beautifully constructed straw-woman who creates the illusion that to be faithful means rejecting the rulebook, instead of daring to think someone might have written the rulebook.
Wow. As a physics university student, this is genuinely one of the best things I have ever watched in my life. I teared up slightly at the part after 7:30. I am so glad it's such a popular video.
What the ‘Storms’ of the world are actually about is looking like they’re the coolest person in the room and have ‘knowledge’ that we mere mortals could never comprehend.
"Isn't this enough?!" part gets me choked up sometimes. It's true. What about the seemingly infinite mysteries of the natural world isn't enough for a lot of people?
its also the way he says it, its borderline desperate for people to get that we dont need to make up supernatural or wonderous things to see that we're already in the midst of an infinite cosmos, on a blue marble spiraling around the milky way
I've been a fan of Tim Minchin for prob close to a decade now and have just seen this for the first time... That was pretty damn amazing from many perspectives.
not all of them! some feminists genuinely want to make the world a more comfortable place for women, and some feminist are fucking morons... not all of them
Ha ha! Yes, Scooby Doo is far more scientific than Oprah -- the characters in Scooby Doo always think critically and look beneath the surface to find the real cause of strange phenomena. Insights like this abound in this oddly rhyming, thoroughly entertaining, poetically whimsical, animated story. h/t Andre Engelbrecht and Mary Mangan, and, of course, Tim Minchin!
It's June, in the year two oh one nine. And I'm just now seeing this for the first time. I'm sad that I haven't seen this 'til now And yet happy to have found it at all. It's brilliant, clever, witty and true. I expect to watch it often - hope you will too.
This is literally what changed my whole opinion about Tim Minchin, this is beyond brilliant... I find mtself watching it a xouple of times every year... it almost sets things straight again when normal life can delude at times. Tha ks mate this is pure genius!!
i have no words for how much i love this, but the phrase "like a sniper using bollocks for admunition" is the most accurate thing i've ever encountered.
This is the most interestingly written piece of poetry I've ever heard. Hats of to Mr. Minchin. I started the video and thought "10 minutes!? Geez". And what do you know, a blink of an eye later, ten minutes had passed.
I recently found myself in the situation of discussing with a similar person. I completely forgot about the speech at 7:40 ish, but I almost quoted it word by word.
I have watched this short video like 7 times in the last couple of weeks, and each time I’m blown away! It speaks to SO MANY of the things I think about and feel, things that are so fundamentally important in the way I see the world, all while being witty and entertaining. I’m glad there exists a treasure like this to remind me I’m not all alone in letting science and skepticism and reason guide the way I see the world.
That last sentence is really sad. It implies people will willingly choose to stay stupid rather than aknowledge facts and reality, and build their own minds based upon new information. If there's many of these people, were all fucking doomed. Gj timmy ^^
Many? You could say that. It's been my hypothesis for quite a while now that nobody inherently likes admitting they are wrong or in the wrong when they are challenged, myself certainly included.
It's easier not to take responsibility for your actions. Calling it the result of some woo-woo thing is easier. Why learn anything when you can say that things are unknowable? In other words some people are simply immature.
I return to this video about twice a year and it is still so good. It fits the poetry perfectly. The bit where everyone including the cat becomes the Scooby Gang only to lead into that beautiful galaxy. Urgh. So good.
This is good stuff, and I love Tim Minchin. His song "The Fence" pretty much encompasses my personal outlook, but lets try not to jerk off with this poem, eh? I rather think that figuring things out for yourself is the important thing here. Don't follow ANYTHING blindly. It's not about her opinions, as daft as they are, it's about the fact that she's spouting other people's ideas because they have a bit of a spiritual whiff about them, and she quite likes being a hippie - she likes to think she's totally open minded and chill. That's why I don't like those people. They tend to preach a lot of things I agree with - peace, liberty, fairness - but at the same time burp up a thousand out of context quotes and misconceptions. They rely on other people being intelligent and thoughtful, and just channel it all, except with the filter of not quite having understood the core of it.
Yeah, I think that would be the irritating part. Her spouting out things just to look smart or have this certain image, rather than understanding things herself and having an interesting discussion itself. As she is represented in the video, all of Storm's comments were just repeats or attempts to peripherally manipulate people into always seeing her as "right" without any real reason. I really don't like it when people do that. I am a little superstitious, and can't say that we would fully know that there /isn't/ something out there. You know, you hear stories, sometimes. And, there are many people, mostly media, who also use the title of Science to make all sorts of strange, oversimplified claims. My favorite is the "scientists said..." and people just like Storm can do the same, just by using science as their "church" in this case instead. Which is also irritating. And is probably what led to the making of this video, indirectly. Luckily! There is such a thing as truth and things that somehow come together to make sense in your mind. And when you learn stuff slowly yourself, and think about what makes sense and doesn't and know why, then you're on the right path. Which is basically most of what you just said, but I agreed so much that I had to reiterate it all in my own words, haha.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I watch it every few weeks to refresh my memory that there are people out there who are intelligent and creative and realize that science is why we are where we are and that there's no such thing as magic.
If there's such a thing as an intellectual orgasm, this is 10 minutes of it. And damn hilarious on top. The Skeptics Society can be glad to have him as a member.
The last line has to be my favourite. It's so spot on. For all the accusations of close mindedness, people like that will never accept facts that contradict their world view.
"I don't understand why i'm considered arrogant for thinking that i am temporary, insignificant. I'm a blink in the cosmic eye. And that it has existed long before me and won't remember me very long. I'm arrogant for that. But the christian who claims that he is the reason the universe exists is humble in his ideology." AronRa
Brilliant. I've seen countless animated shorts but I suppose this is the supreme one, I LOVE it. Well written, well designed, really cool message, but the best thing ever is the interaction between music and text: definitely smart!
Lyrics to this amazing piece: Inner North London, top floor flat, All white walls, white carpet, white cat, Rice paper partitions, modern art and ambition The host's a physician, Bright bloke, has his own practice His girlfriend's an actress, an old mate of ours from home And they're always great fun, so to dinner we've come. The 5th guest is an unknown, The hosts have just thrown us together for a favour 'Cause this girl's just arrived from Australia And she's moved to North London And she's the sister of someone or has some connection. As we make introductions I'm struck by her beauty She's irrefutably fair with dark eyes and dark hair But as she sits, I admit I'm a little bit wary 'Cause I notice the tip of the wing of a fairy Tattooed on that popular area just above the derrière And when she says "I'm Sagittarian, " I confess a pigeonhole starts to form And is immediately filled with pigeon when she says her name is Storm. Conversation is initially bright and light hearted But it's not long before Storm gets started: "You can't know anything, knowledge is merely opinion!" She opines, over her Cabernet Sauvignon, Vis-à-vis some unhippily empirical comment by me. "Not a good start" I think, We're only on pre-dinner drinks, And across the room, my wife widens her eyes, Silently begs me: "Be nice!" A matrimonial warning, not worth ignoring So I resist the urge to ask Storm Whether knowledge is so loose-weave of a morning when Deciding whether to leave her apartment by the front door Or the window on her second floor. The food is delicious and Storm, Whilst avoiding all meat happily sits and eats As the good doctor, Slightly pissedly holds court on some Anachronistic aspect of medical history When Storm suddenly insists: "But the human body is a mystery!" "Science just falls in a hole when it Tries to explain the the nature of the soul." My hostess throws me a glance. She, like my wife, knows there's a chance I'll be off on one of my rare but fun rants but I shan't My lips are sealed, I just wanna enjoy the meal And although Storm is starting to get my goat I have no intention of rocking the boat Although it's becoming a bit of a wrestle Because like her meteorological namesake, Storm has no such concerns for our vessel: "Pharmaceutical companies are the enemy, They promote drug dependency at the cost of the natural remedies That are all our bodies need They are immoral and driven by greed. Why take drugs when herbs can solve it? Why use chemicals when homeopathic solvents can resolve it? I think it's time we all Return-to-live with natural medical alternatives." And try as I like, a small crack appears in my diplomacy-dike. "By definition, " I begin, "Alternative medicine, " I continue, "Has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call Alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine." "So you don't believe in any natural remedies?" "On the contrary Storm, actually Before we came to tea, I took a natural remedy derived from the bark of a willow tree A painkiller that's virtually side-effect free It's got a weird name, darling, what was it again? M-masprin? Basprin? Oh yeah! Asprin! Which I paid about a buck for down at the local drugstore. The debate briefly abates as my hosts collect plates But as they return with desserts Storm pertly asserts: "Shakespeare said it first: There are more things in heaven and Earth than exist in your philosophy. Science is just how we're trained to look at reality, It doesn't explain love or spirituality. How does science explain psychics? Auras? The afterlife? The power of prayer?" I'm becoming aware that I'm staring, I'm like a rabbit Suddenly trapped in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap. Maybe it's the Hamlet she just misquothed Or the sixth glass of wine I just quaffed But my diplomacy dike groans And the arsehole held back by its stones can be held back no more: "Look, Storm, Sorry I don't mean to bore you but there's no such thing as an aura! Reading Auras is like reading minds or Tea-leaves or star-signs or meridian lines These people aren't applying a skill, They're either lying or mentally ill. Same goes for people who claim they hear God's demands And spiritual healers who think they've magic hands. By the way, why do we think it's okay for People to pretend they can talk to the dead? Isn't that totally fucked in the head? Lying to some crying woman whose child has died And telling her you're in touch with the other side? I think that's fundamentally sick Do we need to clarify here that there's no such thing as a psychic? What are we, fucking two? Do we actually think that Horton Heard a Who? Do we still believe that Santa brings us gifts? That Michael Jackson didn't have facelifts? Are we still so stunned by circus tricks that we think That the dead would wanna talk to pricks like John Edwards? Storm to her credit despite my derision keeps firing off clichés With startling precision like a sniper using bollocks for ammunition "You're so sure of your position but you're just closed-minded I think you'll find that your faith in science and Tests is just as blind as the faith of any fundamentalist" "Wow that's a good point, let me think for a bit. Oh wait, my mistake, that's absolute bullshit. Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved. If you show me that, say, homeopathy works, then I will change my mind I'll spin on a fucking dime I'll be embarrassed as hell, But I will run through the streets yelling 'It's a miracle! Take physics and bin it! Water has memory! And while it's memory of a long Lost drop of onion juice seems Infinite It somehow forgets all the poo it's had in it!' You show me that it works and how it works And when I've recovered from the shock I will take a compass and carve 'Fancy That' on the side of my cock." Everyone's just staring now, But I'm pretty pissed and I've dug this far down, So I figure, in for penny, in for a pound: "Life is full of mysteries, yeah But there are answers out there And they won't be found by people sitting around Looking serious and saying 'Isn't life mysterious?' 'Let's sit here and hope. Let's call up the fucking Pope. Let's go watch Oprah interview Deepak Chopra.' If you wanna watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there Was a church with a ghoul or a ghost in a school They looked beneath the mask and what was inside? The fucking janitor or the dude who ran the waterslide. Because throughout history every Mystery ever solved has turned out to be Not Magic. Does the idea that there might be knowledge frighten you? Does the idea that one afternoon on Wiki-fucking-pedia might enlighten you frighten you? Does the notion that there may not be a supernatural so blow your Hippy noodle that you'd rather just Stand in the fog of your inability to Google? Isn't this enough? Just this world? Just this beautiful, complex, wonderfully unfathomable, natural world? How does it so fail to hold our attention that we have to Diminish it with the invention of cheap, man-made myths and monsters? If you're so into your Shakespeare, lend me your ear: "To gild refined gold, to paint the lily, To throw perfume on the violet... is just fucking silly" Or something like that. Or what about Satchmo?! "I see trees of Green, Red roses too, " And fine, if you wish to glorify Krishna and Vishnu in a Post-colonial, Condescending bottled-up and labeled Kind of way then whatever, that's ok. But here's what gives me a hard-on: I am a tiny, insignificant, ignorant bit of carbon. I have one life, and it is short and unimportant... But thanks to recent scientific advances I get to live Twice as long as my great great great great uncleses and auntses. Twice as long to live this life of mine Twice as long to love this wife of mine Twice as many years of friends and wine Of sharing curries and getting shitty at good-looking hippies With fairies on their spines and butterflies on their titties. And if perchance I have offended Think but this and all is mended: We'd as well be 10 minutes back in time, For all the chance you'll change your mind.
That.. Actually was pretty good. I initially thought I was set to watch some artistic journey to prove some convoluted and dull point, but I was pleasantly proved wrong. And then I recognized the artist behind it and all was well again.
I'm so happy my dad showed this too me years ago when I was really young but I couldn't remember what it was about and after eight years I've finally found it lol
I've dated several slightly (physically) different versions of Storm. They have one thing in common: They are so fucking spiritual, they need not do any work, take any responsibility for ANYTHING, and don't need to give the tiniest fuck what effect their actions have on others. One of the spiritual girls I dated was looking for a new angelic healer to open her chakra who was willing to take her dad's American Express Card, but could only find angelic healers who took Visa and Master Card.
She is not at fault. Daddy is at fault. What was he thinking when he wound her up and sent her stumbling out into the world? She was a fun cutesy toy of amusement who can crash and burn for all he cares once she no longer fits on his lap. He then buys another copy to marry which he can use to bang while he dreams of his little fairy princess. But fear not, our girl will be picked up in her turn by a fellow daddy can go into business with. Blood is thicker than daughter.
I used to be friends with a nurse-- then during COVID... she started talking like this and I just... couldn't. Like... how are you in healthcare?! (Well... she was... until she refused to get a vax and lost her job as a palliative care nurse-- which she blamed on big pharma)
It’s crazy to me how people can come so close to the truth like yes big pharma is not really a force for good yes they promote drug dependency and yes they care more about profit than medicine but none of that means that we should ignore the advice of trained doctors or that ‘natural’ alternative medicine works
Thank god for sanity 😅 it still blows my mind that there are actual medical doctors that believe demons having sex with you in your sleep causes yeast infections, wearing copper will somehow cure every ill, and all manner of insanity. My doctor told me wearing masks was useless right after my favorite human in the world died of covid. I asked him what he meant by that and he said, covid. Isn't. REAL. The power of stupidity isn't mutually excluded from the field of medicine, or even science. Though thank whatever diety we do or do not believe in that it's relatively rare.
Spirit Science is interesting and it offers an alternative view in which some is bullshit and some of it cannot be proven or disproved at this current time. For someone to divulge completely into the belief system that it offers is silly. I'm an agnostic atheist, but i still I enjoy the idea of global consciousness, elevating our consciousness and some other aspects of Spirit Science. Don't completely trash it, just trash the people who believe everything they hear about it.
Drew Jones yea the ideas are interesting just like the idea of super powers is interesting...its more the fact if someone starts saying superman exists is where you should call people out on their bullshit.
The idea of global consciousness and a lot of the things that go along with that in spirit science aren't on the superpower level. Carl Sagan even talked about that somewhat. The chakra stuff does have some background too in the sense that meditating is scientifically proven to be good for you. Healing with rocks and things like that, however, you hit the nail on the head.
***** I don't necessarily agree with that myself. It may or may not be bullshit, I just assume it's untrue until it's shown to be otherwise. If it can't be shown otherwise, then I'll go on assuming it's untrue.
If you loved this, see him live :) Blew my socks straight off and ricochet'd them across the room in a floppy and superbly fuzzy manner. The static charge of said sock expulsions and thunderous clapping from theatre patrons , immediately electrocuted my memory banks and reminded me in this post to say...Thanks :) ..Mr. Piano Man
It is truly hard to put things in such a clear and easy to follow way I think most people who are decently self aware have he same kind of thoughts but it's so rare that they can express them this beautifully.
@@PianoDentist The theology department of my university hosted something they called "cafe abraham". Essentially a nice little pavillion they built where they had some students and some profs and they tried to engage students in some conversation about religion over a nice cup of tea or coffee. I was interested in that cup of tea and some good conversation is always nice so i went there. Long story short, the conversation quickly boiled down to one of my first questions: What exactly is a "soul"? The anwser the prof gave was (translated from german) "the soul is what gives the body it's form". However when i pointed out that this may sound profound but is actually just gibberish and asked for clarification the prof was totally stumped. We talked a while longer before she pawned me off to one of her collegues that turned out equally stumped. Didn't get a clear anwser to the very end.
@@tranquilthoughts7233 Interesting story. I think they call that a "deepidy". I guess theology isn't as philosophically rigorous as other philosophical disciplines/applications. Probably no surprise that theology or just an explanation of the soul, falls over when ontological justifications are required.
Every year when this season of dinners with friends, neighbours, and family comes around, I like to watch Tim Minchin's Storm to remind me of what I should try to NOT do! :)
THROUGHOUT HISTORY, EVERY MYSTERY, EVER SOLVED, HAS TURNED OUT TO BE...NOT MAGIC. This is more important than most people know.
I routinely use this quote along with the “do you know what they call alternative medicine that works?” Section
Totally agree. Bayesian probability teaches us to take into consideration prior probability and when it comes to answers from the natural vs answers from the supernatural, it's a gazillion from the natural vs zero from the supernatural.
Except Jesus never claimed to be magic. He never claimed his miracles were eye of newt and toe of frog.
@@XX-sp3tt supernatural and magic are equivalent in this sense. Jesus not performing medieval witchcraft is an unremarkable and unconvincing observation.
@@XX-sp3tt Except, THROUGHOUT HISTORY, EVERY MYSTERY, EVER SOLVED, HAS TURNED OUT TO BE...NOT
MAGIC
GODS
UNICORNS
GHOSTS
SOULS
WATER HAVING MEMORY
MIRACLES
MUSK INVENTING SOMETHING
TRUMP BEING HONEST INSTEAD OF PURELY NARCISSISTIC
ANGELS OR DEMONS
OR ANY OTHER SUPERNATURAL THING
Besides, you can't even show that Jesus said anything, so how about you shove it where the sun don't shine? Do you even know what language he spoke? Do you know what languages the writers of the gospels spoke and didn't speak? Do you even know the last words of Jesus when he died on a pole, because the Romans used poles to crucify criminals and throw them in mass graves? Crosses are expensive and so are tombs and dead is dead. Romans weren't idiots like you.
So please tell me, you stupid pedantic shit, what makes miracles so special that they warrant consideration as an option when under the same measures you'd exclude all others, like fairies or pixies? Why are YOU so close minded? Why did you fail to include as options the possibilities that people lie, are mistaken, make up stories, try to inspire people with embellishments, etc.? And why would a miracle and a resurrection that nullifies any sacrifice be likely at all and more likely than things that happen every day?
Anyway, to not overlook the last thing Minchin said, I enjoyed ranting and thinking and I hope someone else will as well. It has no use for you; you will be as stupid and ignorant as you were before you refused reading any of this and instead you rationalized your special pleading to reinforce your unjustified belief in an ultimate narcissist that, according to the stories did nothing for anything other than worship and glory for things he demonstrably didn't do, and supposedly rewards you for trusting that his endless gaslighting is loving and that you should gaslight others out of love for them - after all, we are all sinners and we don't deserve to be saved, except we all do and you're just as much a victim as you are an abuser.
After five years this continues to be one of my favourite videos on TH-cam
Most definitely. It's a great response to people who think "atheists are so arrogant!" Hardly an arrogant view that he espouses.
Jack Hampton what the hell are you talking about?
Ozneroc 200th like AAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH anywho i agree
I'm there now and yes yes yes :)
I'm like a rabbit, suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap...that is my motto these days when the popular argument is "if you don't know ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, then you cannot deny my claim". Bloody 'ell...
"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."
Faith is not the denial of observation. Faith is a belief in things which have _not_ been observed.
@@UnitSe7en Yes but it also denies any scientific evidence or observations that might discredit it..
@@ahmedal-saeedi5988 No it doesn't.
@@UnitSe7en Yes it does 😂 That's why evolution is denied by religion (coming from the fact that religion thinks that humans were put on Earth instead of evolving from other species). That's why the fact that the Earth is 4.5 billion years and that it took billions of years to form is denied by religion (coming from the fact that religion thinks the Earth is only 6000 years old and god took 6 days to create it)...
@@ahmedal-saeedi5988 _Darwinian_ evolution is denied by a lot of religions in the common mindset, But Darwinian evolution isn't proven science fact, if you really want to gnaw at the bones of what defines 100% proven fact. As a religious individual it's perfectly clear to me that there is, in fact, some kind of evolutionary system in play, but I do not think (because I am an intelligent, thinking individual) that the modern, expanded and commonly touted theories (note that word - They *are* called theories) are the correct model. The Earth taking billions of years to form is only denied by _some_ religious _individuals._ You talk of willful ignorance, not faith; They are not the same thing. Exactly the same kind of denial is in play on the extreme scientific side of the argument as it is on the extreme religious side. I won't go into the many failings of (modern) science because the pertinent point has been made already and I'll repeat it in case you missed it: Faith is not the same as ignorance and an unwillingness to accept observation. Many people with a religious faith also accept the observations of the Earth and the Universe. Faith and ignorance are different concepts entirely. It is only the ignorant who conflate the two and it would serve you well to remember that faith is not just about the belief in God - That is a specific, theocratic association - But faith is a concept that exists regardless of any religious belief. I'll thank you not to laugh in my face again.
Hats off to my english teacher, who showed this in class. going to a state school was awesome.
I showed this in a ninth grade science class. I got complaints.
No regrets.
Yeah my English teacher showed it to me today
@@cianob3654 yo
Good teacher!!!
Mat Deering props to you
This woman comes to tea in a new country with a *doctor* who is doing her a favour and actively slags off his whole profession in front of him.
Tim's monologue was deserved
The part about medicine was deserved. Wailing on the very idea there might be a point to all of this was not.
Bro talking like it's real💀
@@nixon4731 hush normie
Great beat poem.
Today's life is not only twice as long, its also ten times as comfortable.
Debasish Ray Chawdhuri and after this video, it's ten minutes more informed.
Debasish Ray Chawdhuri Common misconception. Ancient humans who lived past infancy typically lived well into their sixties, the reason the average life expectancy was so low is because infant mortality was well over 50%.
Teth47 your statement is very broad;
first you must define Ancient Humans which could be any number of civilisations, living in any number of conditions,
eating any number of diets, subject to any number of diseases and conflicts.
and anyhow, why don't we get to count the infant mortality rate?
i think they are people too, don't you? that's like finding the average wealth of a population, but not counting the poorest people.
Daniel Benson The point is that the average age statistic is misleading in terms of telling people what age adults typically lived to, which is an important longevity statistic, and the one people are usually thinking about when they talk about life expectancy.
The statement is intentionally broad, because it outlines the fact that while diet is important, so long as it's somewhat balanced, it doesn't necessarily matter what specific foods you're eating, you're going to live a reasonably long life.
Teth47 While lower infant mortality may exaggerate the lifespan gain, it's not the sole reason for it. No matter how old an ancient human was their projected lifespan was shorter than it would be today. They didn't live healthier lives than us, it's just that an ancient human was only something on the order of 2 or 3 times more likely to die at a particular stage in early to mid adulthood rather than hundreds of times more likely as an infant.
"A matrimonial warning NOT worth ignoring..."
This man is a modern-day poet.
Mat Deering it is called a beat poem after all
Imagine using the phrase "modern-day poet" as if poets only exist in history.
My god... this poem.. it's so... poetic... it's like poetry!
@@levicollin4128 Imagine reading the phrase 'modern-day poet' and thinking that means poetry exists in any given timeframe exclusively.
@@mathewdeering well, actually when you use the phrase "modern-day" you imply that the noun following it is something rare and only found in the past. "He's a modern day casanova." "He's a modern day Michelangelo."
This wasn't *the* thing that deconverted me--but it helped. I enjoyed the laugh at my mother's fascination with ridiculous 'natural remedies' that had no backing in science, but then Tim went on to challenge my beliefs in a god I couldn't prove. It made me uncomfortable and I powered through it, but the message lingered and so did the dissonance. I wasn't being honest with myself, and eventually I had to come to terms with that.
I had a very similar journey with Derren Brown's shows! I was enthusiastically nodding in agreement when he was showing the BS of psychics, superstitions, astrology and such, but when he came to religious faith I was holding strong against his suggestions. Then I challenged myself to some tough intellectual honesty and I agreed to just imagine for an hour that what he is saying might be right. That shocked me so much that in the end I settled on a compromise and I agreed with a conclusion to one of his specials to admit that I believe because it makes me happy not because it's the objective truth. But I couldn't maintain that type of double-think for long and a few months later I realised (with a huge relief I must say) I actually don't believe any more. I was more than 30 at that time: 30 years spent with the faith basically being the meaning of life for me.
I was having issues with organized religion and questioning a faith that espouses love all, while clearly loving money more than the poor and sick. Then a friend shared 'Thank You, God' and I fell down the rabbit hole. Finally, someone articulated what I couldn't articulate. No, Tim didn't convert me, he just gave voice to what I couldn't express.
Welcome to real life basically. You can have any faith you need, but don't put it in a fictional omnipresent being. Put it in yourself, the people you love, the human connections we make, and the absurdity that is the world. Laugh at it when you can, enjoy it. Even if Jesus did exist? It was as a guide. A bloke who tried to help people and spread the truth of "don't be crappy to others". That's really all you need to know. Congratulations for learning to think properly for yourself. It doesn't mean other fascinating and weird stuff is not out there. Dark matter, for example, is mind blowing! Apply your resolve to learning about every you can, understanding how things work. It might not make you happy like blind faith? But I'll guarantee you will like it better.
You might also enjoy the song Skeptic in the Room by Eddie Scott hahaha th-cam.com/video/OPs_j1EEplI/w-d-xo.html
Of course you cant prove the existence of ANYTHING beyond science, that doesnt mean theres nothing. Theres too much that scientists cant fathom yet, cant measure, yet. That this video would make one de-convert is laughable and depressing. I say this as someone who has no affiliation to any organised religion, just recognises and respects the value of many of them on an individual and societal, cultural level.
I still get chills when he yells "Isn't this enough?!"
Pretty accurate summation of the video
I'm teary-eyed every time he reminds me of being an insignificant bit of carbon, somehow this perspective is the most moving one for me. There is an untold beauty in this.
And I'm a criminal against you for daring to think there more to us than the flesh eh?
@@XX-sp3tt Oh, fuck off if you're going to come at people, that hostile, over a year later, with straw arguments about shit they didn't say.
@@XX-sp3tt Criminal? nah. It's understandable, we all miss those who pass away. But recognizing that there's nothing else, means recognizing how precious life is.
Life is a super exclusive event, the only one where you'll find love and belonging, the only one where you and someone else can hold hands and be.
Together. for a time so small the universe barely registers it, but a time that means everything while you have it.
It is, if you not willing to change your view in face of what's being observed.
The reason why Faith Healers don't work at a hospital, is the same reason that Psychics don't play the lottery.
Honestly I feel that psychics would be more generally good at poker
there are priests AVAILABLE in hospitals in Poland and that is a scandal
I dont get it :/
You don't need faith in a God to heal with aura. You merely have to learn to control consciously, that which is controlled unconsciously, and the system it is subject to.
@@bheasty9 Ummm... What? What can you heal with "aura"?
I love how thinking clearly can make people so mad...
+Bruce Dickinson right. Storm really pissed that guy off with her valid points.
+Bruce Dickinson
♪ His philosophy does in fact rhyme, and may last the test of time,
But you easy marks rely a bit , cos' I don't totally buy this sh!t. ♪
I almost never comment on TH-cam videos but couldn't help but attempt to shed some light on some overlooked points.
I do not necessarily disagree with all the points he makes (Before your first response to this is to bombard the comment section with condescendent comments), although I do find his way of getting his points across to be quite demeaning and biased.
I myself know plenty of people that rely on a whole foods diet and avoid any form of meat consumption, as it has been scientifically proven that it is in fact linked to the development of some illness(es) i.e. cardiovascular disease. He also portrays these "hippies" as the condescending ones, that there ignorant views on pharmaceutical companies are outdated and have no place in todays views on society.. ammm so what are your views on Animal Testing?
Many people believe that we are no more superior to any other living thing, although his patronising portrayal of a vegetarian pretty much paints a vivid description of an arrogant, buzzkill, stubborn type, with no idea of the complexity of everything around her. Tell me, who is he to judge somebody who sees it immoral to consume another conscious, living being?
"No such concerns for our vessel" What is implied here? That she is incapable of communicating on the same 'intellectual' or 'entertaining level you highly seem to place yourself on. Despite the fact that he calls himself a tiny insignificant, ignorant, bit of carbon? We may get to live twice as long as our ancestors, but should we if we'd have to listen to comedians being a d!ck about it?
"may as well be 10 minutes back in time for all the chance you change your mind" I can imagine all his fan-boys going; Hmm yes, agreed. These people are in fact known to disregard what they are otherwise told.. come on dude, WHAT?
"They are rather lying, or mentally ill" Perhaps so. Although every day we discover more of what couldn't be seen or heard, until the latest discovery. Could you coin me the definition you have for the term "mentally ill"? Many people are reared in certain situations that may affect there way of perceiving the world. Have you ever asked yourself why you do the things you do. Why you hesitate to even comprehend some things and views that would shock the general public? I myself am not entirely certain as to why this is, but I suspect past religious views/laws shaped much of what we live and think today. You said it yourself even; "man-made myths" By that logic, what shouldn't be seen as myth or false in what we have created thus far? Very vague statement, I know, but think about the little things that are created, and wiped out in the process.
"Does the idea of knowledge frighten you?" (cough What are you fncking two?) By the way, Wikipedia once had the ability for anyone to edit the information that it had provided. I know this for a fact as a friend of mine typed into the description that he was the current king of my hometown.
Also, what is your solution to drug dependency?
Yes, I agree with him on many points. But, although wit, affective voice infliction and fantastic snappy, punchy animated visuals, accompanied by catchy quirky flowing jazz music is an interesting and from my perspective, somewhat manipulative form of spreading views, this does indeed have many holes and leaves the non-prejudiced individual like myself with many unanswered questions.
*DISLIKE*
Gc543 you da real MVP brah
+Konstantin Nikolaidis dude over 3,000,000 people are so gullible/snobbish it seriously hurts the intellect.
+Gc543 You totally missed the point.
I keep thinking of Carl Sagan. We are star dust, on a pale blue dot, living in such a massive space that we as humans can't comprehend. I think this is more touching and moving than the idea of auras and horoscope.
Does it rally tear down everything? Does it rally insult you so greatly? That you think because I think someone wrote the rulebook, that you think therefore I must want to rip the rulebook to shreds?
@@XX-sp3tt What is it that you are trying to say?
@@XX-sp3ttYour ignorance is not knowledge
I want it on a T-Shirt.
All.
Of.
It!
Darrus Dreadtiger YES PLEA FUCKING SE
That's a XXXXXL shirt for you :)
soooo... a lithograph? they're pretty good actually.
That would be kind of brilliant, but probably hard to read
Print.
This.
Now.
"If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended."
-Puck, A Midsummer Night's Dream
oh wow you are right, he did manage his Shakespeare quote after all, fancy that.
Ending with paraphrasing Puck is perfect for him.
That kinetic typography was masterfully animated
which unfortunately makes it harder to adapt. :-D
Agreed. I just found a list of "the best kinetic typography" online - there were 43 examples or something like that, and STORM was not among them :( It bloody well should be.
"Water has memory, and whilst its memory of a long lost drop of onion juice seems infinite, it somehow forgets all the poo it's had in it." Made me LOL.
Imagine that it worked, how high we'd be from all the drugs that water once came in contact with.
Have you seen that _Mitchell and Webb Look_ skit where the homeopathic "doctors" "treat" the emergency room patient then go to the pub for some homeopathic lagers?
If you like to laugh at homepathy I think you'll like it
Can someone please explain what they think he means by this? Is it somehow about something like detoxing?
@@befe it's about homoeopathy, which is a bogus pseudoscience. Believers of the twaddle think that by diluting something in water more & more, that it makes the remedies effect stronger. It's likely that some amount of water molecules in any homeopathic "remedy" has come into contact with poo in some point in time over the millions or billions of years of that molecule's existance, so it should "retain the memory" if homeopathy is to believed
@@befe its a dig at the supposed principle behind homeopathic solutions - the more you dilute something, the more potent it becomes. So the homeopathic material is present in very small amounts and that is supposed to make it more powerful somehow. To dodge the molecular theory completely invalidating that, theyve come up with "water memory". But by the same logic the water should also remember all the poop that was in it at some point with comparable concentrations.
Best 10 minutes spent on TH-cam, this man is a genius.
No joke, one of the greatest things I have ever seen. Funny, intelligent, and beautiful.
I'm glad he gives us rest in between those massive bursts of logic
Yeah, it gives you more time to realize his genius.
His timing is amazing. In the standup show he introduces it as a 9 minute beat poem.
The combination of music and comedy is brilliant. Bill Bailey is another who populate this small niche with great success.
Whilst I do think the video is very well done, with plenty of humour and plenty to think about (and his 'alternative medicine' line is awesome!), there are some logical fallacies thrown in there, covered over by the humour and fast-pace of the words.
@@TheBaggyT interested to know which bits exactly?
Oli Anslow same
10 years later and its still one of the most hilarious, intelligent, brilliant videos out there on TH-cam. Should have 50 million views.
I come back to this all the time, because it’s so incredibly brilliant and hilariously funny and impeccably recited.
And such a beautifully constructed straw-woman who creates the illusion that to be faithful means rejecting the rulebook, instead of daring to think someone might have written the rulebook.
@@XX-sp3tt I don’t understand your point.
@@peacefuljeffrey they’re angry that Tim used some commonly used points by smooth brains and personified them using “Storm” to dismantle them.
This made my day. It describes the pain I go through when I bite my tongue.
Ah, rewatching this for the first time in years. Still good today.
This is the sort of stuff I'd think of *after* I've walked away from the bloody argument. Haha
I need to get the graphic novel!
The French have a term for this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27esprit_de_l%27escalier
This............................is..............................................................*AWESOME!!!!!*
Wow. As a physics university student, this is genuinely one of the best things I have ever watched in my life. I teared up slightly at the part after 7:30. I am so glad it's such a popular video.
This will forever be one of my favourite things
What the ‘Storms’ of the world are actually about is looking like they’re the coolest person in the room and have ‘knowledge’ that we mere mortals could never comprehend.
This remains my very favourite thing on TH-cam or the Internet
"Isn't this enough?!" part gets me choked up sometimes. It's true. What about the seemingly infinite mysteries of the natural world isn't enough for a lot of people?
its also the way he says it, its borderline desperate for people to get that we dont need to make up supernatural or wonderous things to see that we're already in the midst of an infinite cosmos, on a blue marble spiraling around the milky way
They were raised on promises that nobody has any good reason to believe will be kept.
This should be a standard educational video in schools all around the world ☝🏻
I've been a fan of Tim Minchin for prob close to a decade now and have just seen this for the first time... That was pretty damn amazing from many perspectives.
Damn!
Over 900 thumbs down.
Maybe they have insight on why the water forgot the poop?
+Jake Azz I dunno, but I see 979 thumbs down right now.
Over 83K thumbs up though.
Idiots are in minority for once.
He's a man expressing an argument to a person who happens to be female. Her gender is irrelevant to the argument. It's not 'mansplaining'.
+Andrew M
Feminists are immune to logic.
people who say he's mansplaining are, ironically sexist.
I mean, all they see is the gender...
not all of them! some feminists genuinely want to make the world a more comfortable place for women, and some feminist are fucking morons... not all of them
these could be the most important, well spent, most meaningful ten minutes of any person's lifetime
Ha ha! Yes, Scooby Doo is far more scientific than Oprah -- the characters in Scooby Doo always think critically and look beneath the surface to find the real cause of strange phenomena. Insights like this abound in this oddly rhyming, thoroughly entertaining, poetically whimsical, animated story.
h/t Andre Engelbrecht and Mary Mangan, and, of course, Tim Minchin!
It's June, in the year two oh one nine.
And I'm just now seeing this for the first time.
I'm sad that I haven't seen this 'til now
And yet happy to have found it at all.
It's brilliant, clever, witty and true.
I expect to watch it often - hope you will too.
Puts a lifetime of serious thought into 10 minutes of humorous wandering. genius!
I think Storm is my ex-wife.
lol rip
Geahk Burchill how has she survived for over 30 years?
@@norielsylvire4097 sure not thank to natural medical alternatives
The horror! The horror!
9 years in and I still love this.
This is literally what changed my whole opinion about Tim Minchin, this is beyond brilliant... I find mtself watching it a xouple of times every year... it almost sets things straight again when normal life can delude at times. Tha ks mate this is pure genius!!
1,003 people named Storm
i have no words for how much i love this, but the phrase "like a sniper using bollocks for admunition" is the most accurate thing i've ever encountered.
This is the most interestingly written piece of poetry I've ever heard. Hats of to Mr. Minchin. I started the video and thought "10 minutes!? Geez". And what do you know, a blink of an eye later, ten minutes had passed.
More than 10 years later and still great.
Got to revisit this one every now and then. Always a classic.
I see you literally EVERYWHERE
@@mism847 Yeah I like to comment. Like that ninja guy only not as popular. I'm a big mouth.
I recently found myself in the situation of discussing with a similar person.
I completely forgot about the speech at 7:40 ish, but I almost quoted it word by word.
Tim Minchin is brilliant.
I have watched this short video like 7 times in the last couple of weeks, and each time I’m blown away! It speaks to SO MANY of the things I think about and feel, things that are so fundamentally important in the way I see the world, all while being witty and entertaining. I’m glad there exists a treasure like this to remind me I’m not all alone in letting science and skepticism and reason guide the way I see the world.
Don't know how many times I've watched this but it still gets better every time.
This is.
Yes, that's all there is. This is.
That last sentence is really sad. It implies people will willingly choose to stay stupid rather than aknowledge facts and reality, and build their own minds based upon new information. If there's many of these people, were all fucking doomed. Gj timmy ^^
I think it's supposed to suggest none of them would choose to stay ignorent.
Many? You could say that. It's been my hypothesis for quite a while now that nobody inherently likes admitting they are wrong or in the wrong when they are challenged, myself certainly included.
It's easier not to take responsibility for your actions. Calling it the result of some woo-woo thing is easier. Why learn anything when you can say that things are unknowable? In other words some people are simply immature.
Oh, there's plenty of them. I can tell you most of them voted for Donald Trump.
Yep. We're all fucking doomed.
I return to this video about twice a year and it is still so good. It fits the poetry perfectly. The bit where everyone including the cat becomes the Scooby Gang only to lead into that beautiful galaxy. Urgh. So good.
Almost every year I come back to this video and I find it to be perfection every time, I love this so much.
This is everything I have been trying to say for years! This is perfect!
Showed this to my friends years ago, haven't stopped watching it since with them.
Tim is the top. Intelligent and hilarious.
But most importantly, he has a terrific way of viewing the world and this is the best he ever produced
Still love this after all these years. I was lucky enough to catch Tim Minchin live a few years ago
Pure fucking poetry. Genius. Astute, laser-precise expression. Damn.
This is good stuff, and I love Tim Minchin. His song "The Fence" pretty much encompasses my personal outlook, but lets try not to jerk off with this poem, eh?
I rather think that figuring things out for yourself is the important thing here. Don't follow ANYTHING blindly. It's not about her opinions, as daft as they are, it's about the fact that she's spouting other people's ideas because they have a bit of a spiritual whiff about them, and she quite likes being a hippie - she likes to think she's totally open minded and chill.
That's why I don't like those people. They tend to preach a lot of things I agree with - peace, liberty, fairness - but at the same time burp up a thousand out of context quotes and misconceptions. They rely on other people being intelligent and thoughtful, and just channel it all, except with the filter of not quite having understood the core of it.
Yeah, I think that would be the irritating part. Her spouting out things just to look smart or have this certain image, rather than understanding things herself and having an interesting discussion itself. As she is represented in the video, all of Storm's comments were just repeats or attempts to peripherally manipulate people into always seeing her as "right" without any real reason. I really don't like it when people do that.
I am a little superstitious, and can't say that we would fully know that there /isn't/ something out there. You know, you hear stories, sometimes. And, there are many people, mostly media, who also use the title of Science to make all sorts of strange, oversimplified claims. My favorite is the "scientists said..." and people just like Storm can do the same, just by using science as their "church" in this case instead. Which is also irritating. And is probably what led to the making of this video, indirectly.
Luckily! There is such a thing as truth and things that somehow come together to make sense in your mind. And when you learn stuff slowly yourself, and think about what makes sense and doesn't and know why, then you're on the right path.
Which is basically most of what you just said, but I agreed so much that I had to reiterate it all in my own words, haha.
This comment, 1000x
You'd probably love the bar argument from Good Will Hunting. Look it up, it's here on TH-cam.
One of the greatest pieces of modern performance art. Just amazing.
10 years and 5.1 million views. I think at least 1000 of those are mine. I love this so much.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I watch it every few weeks to refresh my memory that there are people out there who are intelligent and creative and realize that science is why we are where we are and that there's no such thing as magic.
If there's such a thing as an intellectual orgasm, this is 10 minutes of it. And damn hilarious on top.
The Skeptics Society can be glad to have him as a member.
Are you sure about that?
@@KickassUncleWell played.
This is great, and hits the mark in so many ways.
All I can say is WOW TIM MINCHIN IS EVEN MORE OF A GENIUS THAN I THOUGHT HE WAS! I would really like to be like him when I grow up.
The last line has to be my favourite. It's so spot on. For all the accusations of close mindedness, people like that will never accept facts that contradict their world view.
One word will satisfy for this work of Tim Minchin's: Legend.
This is my favorite beat poem, possibly ever, and I am working hard on committing the whole thing correctly to memory.
all these years later and I still I love it. Thanks Tim for sharing your talent with the world :)
"I don't understand why i'm considered arrogant for thinking that i am temporary, insignificant. I'm a blink in the cosmic eye. And that it has existed long before me and won't remember me very long. I'm arrogant for that. But the christian who claims that he is the reason the universe exists is humble in his ideology."
AronRa
A conversation with my sister is as enlightening as one with Storm.
+Anslyn John you sir deserve a hug * hug *
Brilliant. I've seen countless animated shorts but I suppose this is the supreme one, I LOVE it. Well written, well designed, really cool message, but the best thing ever is the interaction between music and text: definitely smart!
How did I only just found this here? O.o and HOW is this already this old... this is more accurate than ever these days. You just must love Tim! :)
Scene of planets and galaxies should have a "not to scale" disclaimer.
Some poor souls may get the wrong idea ;)
It's in there, but it's the only thing in there that's to scale.
nice
"In for a penny in for a pound!" I LOVE that line!
Lyrics to this amazing piece: Inner North London, top floor flat,
All white walls, white carpet, white cat,
Rice paper partitions, modern art and ambition
The host's a physician,
Bright bloke, has his own practice
His girlfriend's an actress, an old mate of ours from home
And they're always great fun, so to dinner we've come.
The 5th guest is an unknown,
The hosts have just thrown us together for a favour
'Cause this girl's just arrived from Australia
And she's moved to North London
And she's the sister of someone or has some connection.
As we make introductions I'm struck by her beauty
She's irrefutably fair with dark eyes and dark hair
But as she sits, I admit I'm a little bit wary
'Cause I notice the tip of the wing of a fairy
Tattooed on that popular area just above the derrière
And when she says "I'm Sagittarian, "
I confess a pigeonhole starts to form
And is immediately filled with pigeon when she says her name is Storm.
Conversation is initially bright and light hearted
But it's not long before Storm gets started:
"You can't know anything, knowledge is merely opinion!"
She opines, over her Cabernet Sauvignon,
Vis-à-vis some unhippily empirical comment by me.
"Not a good start" I think,
We're only on pre-dinner drinks,
And across the room, my wife widens her eyes,
Silently begs me: "Be nice!"
A matrimonial warning, not worth ignoring
So I resist the urge to ask Storm
Whether knowledge is so loose-weave of a morning when
Deciding whether to leave her apartment by the front door
Or the window on her second floor.
The food is delicious and Storm,
Whilst avoiding all meat happily sits and eats
As the good doctor,
Slightly pissedly holds court on some
Anachronistic aspect of medical history
When Storm suddenly insists:
"But the human body is a mystery!"
"Science just falls in a hole when it
Tries to explain the the nature of the soul."
My hostess throws me a glance.
She, like my wife, knows there's a chance
I'll be off on one of my rare but fun rants but I shan't
My lips are sealed, I just wanna enjoy the meal
And although Storm is starting to get my goat
I have no intention of rocking the boat
Although it's becoming a bit of a wrestle
Because like her meteorological namesake,
Storm has no such concerns for our vessel:
"Pharmaceutical companies are the enemy,
They promote drug dependency at the cost of the natural remedies
That are all our bodies need
They are immoral and driven by greed.
Why take drugs when herbs can solve it?
Why use chemicals when homeopathic solvents can resolve it?
I think it's time we all
Return-to-live with natural medical alternatives."
And try as I like, a small crack appears in my diplomacy-dike.
"By definition, " I begin,
"Alternative medicine, " I continue,
"Has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work.
Do you know what they call
Alternative medicine that's been proved to work?
Medicine."
"So you don't believe in any natural remedies?"
"On the contrary Storm, actually
Before we came to tea,
I took a natural remedy derived from the bark of a willow tree
A painkiller that's virtually side-effect free
It's got a weird name, darling, what was it again?
M-masprin? Basprin? Oh yeah! Asprin!
Which I paid about a buck for down at the local drugstore.
The debate briefly abates as my hosts collect plates
But as they return with desserts Storm pertly asserts:
"Shakespeare said it first:
There are more things in heaven and
Earth than exist in your philosophy.
Science is just how we're trained to look at reality,
It doesn't explain love or spirituality.
How does science explain psychics? Auras?
The afterlife? The power of prayer?"
I'm becoming aware that I'm staring, I'm like a rabbit
Suddenly trapped in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap.
Maybe it's the Hamlet she just misquothed
Or the sixth glass of wine I just quaffed
But my diplomacy dike groans
And the arsehole held back by its stones can be held back no more:
"Look, Storm,
Sorry I don't mean to bore you but there's no such thing as an aura!
Reading Auras is like reading minds or
Tea-leaves or star-signs or meridian lines
These people aren't applying a skill,
They're either lying or mentally ill.
Same goes for people who claim they hear God's demands
And spiritual healers who think they've magic hands.
By the way, why do we think it's okay for
People to pretend they can talk to the dead?
Isn't that totally fucked in the head?
Lying to some crying woman whose child has died
And telling her you're in touch with the other side?
I think that's fundamentally sick
Do we need to clarify here that there's no such thing as a psychic?
What are we, fucking two?
Do we actually think that Horton Heard a Who?
Do we still believe that Santa brings us gifts?
That Michael Jackson didn't have facelifts?
Are we still so stunned by circus tricks that we think
That the dead would wanna talk to pricks like John Edwards?
Storm to her credit despite my derision keeps firing off clichés
With startling precision like a sniper using bollocks for ammunition
"You're so sure of your position but you're just closed-minded
I think you'll find that your faith in science and
Tests is just as blind as the faith of any fundamentalist"
"Wow that's a good point, let me think for a bit.
Oh wait, my mistake, that's absolute bullshit.
Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved.
If you show me that, say, homeopathy works, then I will change my mind
I'll spin on a fucking dime
I'll be embarrassed as hell,
But I will run through the streets yelling
'It's a miracle! Take physics and bin it!
Water has memory!
And while it's memory of a long
Lost drop of onion juice seems Infinite
It somehow forgets all the poo it's had in it!'
You show me that it works and how it works
And when I've recovered from the shock
I will take a compass and carve 'Fancy That' on the side of my cock."
Everyone's just staring now,
But I'm pretty pissed and I've dug this far down,
So I figure, in for penny, in for a pound:
"Life is full of mysteries, yeah
But there are answers out there
And they won't be found by people sitting around
Looking serious and saying 'Isn't life mysterious?'
'Let's sit here and hope.
Let's call up the fucking Pope.
Let's go watch Oprah interview Deepak Chopra.'
If you wanna watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo.
That show was so cool because every time there
Was a church with a ghoul or a ghost in a school
They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The fucking janitor or the dude who ran the waterslide.
Because throughout history every
Mystery ever solved has turned out to be
Not Magic.
Does the idea that there might be knowledge frighten you?
Does the idea that one afternoon on
Wiki-fucking-pedia might enlighten you frighten you?
Does the notion that there may not be a supernatural so blow your
Hippy noodle that you'd rather just
Stand in the fog of your inability to Google?
Isn't this enough?
Just this world?
Just this beautiful, complex, wonderfully unfathomable, natural world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention that we have to
Diminish it with the invention of cheap, man-made myths and monsters?
If you're so into your Shakespeare, lend me your ear:
"To gild refined gold, to paint the lily,
To throw perfume on the violet... is just fucking silly"
Or something like that.
Or what about Satchmo?!
"I see trees of Green,
Red roses too, "
And fine, if you wish to glorify Krishna and Vishnu in a
Post-colonial,
Condescending bottled-up and labeled
Kind of way then whatever, that's ok.
But here's what gives me a hard-on:
I am a tiny, insignificant, ignorant bit of carbon.
I have one life, and it is short and unimportant...
But thanks to recent scientific advances I get to live
Twice as long as my great great great great uncleses and auntses.
Twice as long to live this life of mine
Twice as long to love this wife of mine
Twice as many years of friends and wine
Of sharing curries and getting shitty at good-looking hippies
With fairies on their spines and butterflies on their titties.
And if perchance I have offended
Think but this and all is mended:
We'd as well be 10 minutes back in time,
For all the chance you'll change your mind.
legend
Error on the first line :) These are AI generated by youtube. It should read "In a North London, top floor flat"
This video has the most intelligent conversation I've ever seen on TH-cam. It's amazing.
That.. Actually was pretty good. I initially thought I was set to watch some artistic journey to prove some convoluted and dull point, but I was pleasantly proved wrong. And then I recognized the artist behind it and all was well again.
I'm so happy my dad showed this too me years ago when I was really young but I couldn't remember what it was about and after eight years I've finally found it lol
Well done your dad.
funny, youtube doesn't remember shit about my watching history beyond a few days, but it remembers me watching this vid years later
I wish I could have formulated it so beautifully every-time I meet a Storm.
I've dated several slightly (physically) different versions of Storm. They have one thing in common: They are so fucking spiritual, they need not do any work, take any responsibility for ANYTHING, and don't need to give the tiniest fuck what effect their actions have on others. One of the spiritual girls I dated was looking for a new angelic healer to open her chakra who was willing to take her dad's American Express Card, but could only find angelic healers who took Visa and Master Card.
:D my kinda woman!
Miguel Almeida I have no idea of the current state of her Chakra since walking out her front door.
Didn't she followed you through the window on her second floor?
She is not at fault. Daddy is at fault. What was he thinking when he wound her up and sent her stumbling out into the world? She was a fun cutesy toy of amusement who can crash and burn for all he cares once she no longer fits on his lap. He then buys another copy to marry which he can use to bang while he dreams of his little fairy princess. But fear not, our girl will be picked up in her turn by a fellow daddy can go into business with. Blood is thicker than daughter.
"You ever hear girls say that? 'I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual.' I like to reply with, 'I'm not honest, but you're interesting!'"
-Daniel Tosh
I used to be friends with a nurse-- then during COVID... she started talking like this and I just... couldn't. Like... how are you in healthcare?! (Well... she was... until she refused to get a vax and lost her job as a palliative care nurse-- which she blamed on big pharma)
It’s crazy to me how people can come so close to the truth like yes big pharma is not really a force for good yes they promote drug dependency and yes they care more about profit than medicine but none of that means that we should ignore the advice of trained doctors or that ‘natural’ alternative medicine works
Thank god for sanity 😅 it still blows my mind that there are actual medical doctors that believe demons having sex with you in your sleep causes yeast infections, wearing copper will somehow cure every ill, and all manner of insanity. My doctor told me wearing masks was useless right after my favorite human in the world died of covid. I asked him what he meant by that and he said, covid. Isn't. REAL. The power of stupidity isn't mutually excluded from the field of medicine, or even science. Though thank whatever diety we do or do not believe in that it's relatively rare.
My brother is also in medicine and believes in pseudoscience. It's frightening
spirit science needs to watch this.
Spirit Science is interesting and it offers an alternative view in which some is bullshit and some of it cannot be proven or disproved at this current time. For someone to divulge completely into the belief system that it offers is silly. I'm an agnostic atheist, but i still I enjoy the idea of global consciousness, elevating our consciousness and some other aspects of Spirit Science. Don't completely trash it, just trash the people who believe everything they hear about it.
Drew Jones yea the ideas are interesting just like the idea of super powers is interesting...its more the fact if someone starts saying superman exists is where you should call people out on their bullshit.
The idea of global consciousness and a lot of the things that go along with that in spirit science aren't on the superpower level. Carl Sagan even talked about that somewhat. The chakra stuff does have some background too in the sense that meditating is scientifically proven to be good for you. Healing with rocks and things like that, however, you hit the nail on the head.
***** I don't necessarily agree with that myself. It may or may not be bullshit, I just assume it's untrue until it's shown to be otherwise. If it can't be shown otherwise, then I'll go on assuming it's untrue.
Drew Jones when did carl sagan say that and what were his words? Sounds like you may be misrepresenting him..
As I sit here writing an assignment on the actions and uses of medicines I am once again so very happy to know that Tim wrote this.
If you loved this, see him live :) Blew my socks straight off and ricochet'd them across the room in a floppy and superbly fuzzy manner. The static charge of said sock expulsions and thunderous clapping from theatre patrons , immediately electrocuted my memory banks and reminded me in this post to say...Thanks :) ..Mr. Piano Man
Best video on TH-cam, hands down.
I prefer the non-animated version.
I have certain view on faith and logic etc, but i can never seem to but these thoughts into coherent words..
... this is just perfect.. perfect.
It is truly hard to put things in such a clear and easy to follow way I think most people who are decently self aware have he same kind of thoughts but it's so rare that they can express them this beautifully.
+General Giblets couldn't agree more!
"We'd as well be 10 minutes back in time, for all the chance you'll change your mind" - love that!
i love this so much!
This is absolutely brilliant.
What a wonderful animation! Perfectly interpreted the audio, enhanced it. Really well done.
after 2020 the world needs this more than ever
I think I've watched this like 20 times. Thanks Tim.
yeah timbo, tell it like it is lol!
Loved the poetry! You are quite a wit!
Can't believe I have just found this. Love it!
Best 10 minutes out there
Happy fifth anniversary, Tim! The best video on the Internet in my opinion.
"science just falls in a hole when it tries to exlain the nature of the soul"
So do you Storm.
yeah assuming there is such a thing as a soul in the first place.
@@PianoDentist The theology department of my university hosted something they called "cafe abraham". Essentially a nice little pavillion they built where they had some students and some profs and they tried to engage students in some conversation about religion over a nice cup of tea or coffee. I was interested in that cup of tea and some good conversation is always nice so i went there. Long story short, the conversation quickly boiled down to one of my first questions: What exactly is a "soul"? The anwser the prof gave was (translated from german) "the soul is what gives the body it's form". However when i pointed out that this may sound profound but is actually just gibberish and asked for clarification the prof was totally stumped. We talked a while longer before she pawned me off to one of her collegues that turned out equally stumped. Didn't get a clear anwser to the very end.
@@tranquilthoughts7233 Interesting story. I think they call that a "deepidy". I guess theology isn't as philosophically rigorous as other philosophical disciplines/applications. Probably no surprise that theology or just an explanation of the soul, falls over when ontological justifications are required.
Every year when this season of dinners with friends, neighbours, and family comes around, I like to watch Tim Minchin's Storm to remind me of what I should try to NOT do! :)