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when people think you are sane it is easier to convince them you are crazy than it is when they think you are crazy and you are trying to convince them you are sane
I remember learning about a psychology study where the researchers would admit themselves into a mental hospital. Don't remember too much of the details, but the main point was once you're labelled as "insane" it's extremely hard to remove the tag. Even if you behave normally (which is hard to do when you're actively trying to behave normally) and deny that you're insane, it's labelled as insane behavior.
there's a term for that in psychology, self-fulfilling prophecy, you can show it by providing positive and negative feedbacks to people's goals and see what happens
@@mello3762 there is no need to say anything when you lock them up in a psychiatric ward and won't let them leave. That brings the message across well enough.
there is like a thing that if a doctor or somebody that you trust says that if you take a pill or something it will actually have an affect even if the pill does nothing idk what it is called like if you say: what is that smell it smells so bad. and like hold your nose people will think it will smell
I like Leonard Cohen's line "there is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in". For me it means that truth can be found between the theories, the logic, the systems, in the unquantifiable bits of life that are ignored.
@@vchankobuonloi7013 here take my example, bad and good human behavior is depend on the situation, the rough situation : killing people is bad, why would you kill people without reason? Is it good if you had a reason? You know what? Idk you why I bother to answer your question? Are you even real? F you. Alright why I'm mad at you? I'm sorry. Your welcome.
During my life I amassed a huge number of diagnostic labels - anxiety, GAD, depression, OCD, SAD, PTSD, potential bipolar/BPD, complex PTSD.... only, it was none of those things. It was autism and it took 41-years, decades of therapy, and countless clinical assessments to be correctly identified. The DSM is only helpful if the clinician is fully aware. And believe me, not all practitioners are made equal. Misdiagnosis happens all the time.
My ex was misdiagnosed for the final 4 years of her life. . She suffered with schizo- affective disorder, it turned out. By the time the correct diagnosis was given, it was already too late. She passed away in April 2006 , and no one found her till 4 days later. Her doctor ( the one who incorrectly told her she was fine) was retired on health grounds.
I think the conclusion is so on point, we live in a world that’s obsessed with categorisation because it makes things easier for us to understand but this is something that doesn’t work well when applied to mental state
Most important to me is this journalist admitting that he took the bits that backed up how he wanted his story to look and left out anything that contradicted it. It takes a good person to admit that.
He admits it, but then proceeds to present an outlier and a very specific case in order to further his pointless point of "Every one's a little bit psychopathic". It takes a smart man to admit he's wrong, and a good man to actually do something to correct himself.
@@TheBuddyLama I think you are reading too much into it. All Journalists look for sensationalism to sell their writing. You don't hear about all the days a nuclear power plant is doing just fine. You hear about that time one of their pumps malfunctioned. If you write a book about someone, you won't write about his days were nothing happens. He is saying that his job is to look for things to write about, which happen to be when things are off or wrong or exceptional. And that having this incentive if followed to obsessively can be very deceptive for those listening. Just look at media today, all news channels on the planet suddenly got obsessed with finding sensationalism to the point where they want something horrible to happen so that they can write about it.
@@Tamizushi no they don't because they don't wanna be separate from the crowd they want to be a part of it so that they aren't called out, their scared of their imperfections because it shows them they're just like everyone else and bursts their bubble of grandiosity as it brings them down to the level of a normal human
R N You are assuming psychopaths act rationally. We aren't talking about a hypothetical pathology right now. What I'm telling you is that actually, in real life, when psychopaths are asked about their psychopathic behaviors, they tend to be quite unapologetic about it. They brag about it. I'm not saying they say "I'm a psychopath", I'm saying if, for example, you ask them if there are ever ashamed of anything, they will say "never", and so on.
This reminds me of a study conducted in 1960s by Rosenhan, where 8 completely sane people go into these hospitals claiming they heard voices but then act completely normal. it tuned out that nurses recorded their very normal behavior like pacing out of boredom as schizophrenic traits
@@Kisamon I think it's just worded a little confusingly. The subjects claimed they heard voices in order to get into the hospitals. Once inside, they acted normally, but the nurses recorded their normal behavior as schizophrenic behavior.
I think they also took notes about their experiences and the staff wrote they “exhibited note taking behavior”, whereas the patients said “you’re faking aren’t you?”
Yeah, it's scary how much the label you give someone affects how you interpret their behaviour. As a mental exercise I like to flip labels around in my mind and see if I would view the person/situation differently. It's so easy to jump on the bandwagon of popular opinion. I honestly feel like peer pressure isn't something that goes away after you become an adult. You're always encouraged to side with public opinion through fear of social repercussions.
The dsm gives several symptoms of psychological disorders. The reason why everyone can relate to those symptoms is because, at healthy levels, they're all mostly normal human behaviors. They only become disorders if these symptoms interfere with your ability to live a normal life. (By normal I mean live a functional live)
When a mental disorder crosses the line of being disruptive to your life, it becomes a mental illness. That's why psychopathy isn't classified as a "mental illness" because most sociopaths or psychopaths live fairly normal, productive lives. Since psychopathy is not an official mental disorder, the condition experts diagnose it as ASPD.
yes! in fact you can only classify something as a disorder if it is all of the following: 1)dysfunctional 2)dangerous(to self/others) 3)deviant 4)distressing
Absolutely. I went to visit a friend in a mental hospital. When we were sat there, there was random screaming and banging in the corridors which was really scary! I said "I bet you stay in here all the time, I know I would!" and she said she had to start with but she'd been told they thought she was insane because she didn't want to socialise with the other inmates. So she was having to force herself out to be with them. I cried all the way home for her. (She's fine now and back in the community).
I was forced will have too be forced again if needed I'm not spirit again f all psychology unless I'm learning about it or dealing with the practiced elders and medication s.
Hmm, I think you might have a case of severe paranoia disorder, on account of the belief that a website algorithm has conspired to convince you that you're a psychopath.
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I find the part about bomb-sniffing bees interesting, because I've been to bad MDs and bad therapists many times, and every time I feel like I don't trust them and read my journal afterwards, it's obvious why I didn't trust them, simply because they misinterpreted several things I said. For example, when one MD asked me about my daily life as unemployed I said that I play video games, go for walks, and other things like that. What they wrote was "Plays video games all day and never goes out". And once I told a therapist that my depression got worse a specific year, and I had previously mentioned that I moved in with my partner that same year, in my journal it said "Partner makes them depressed", which wasn't true at all, especially since my depression got worse in the beginning of said year, and I moved in with my partner in the end of that year, and my partner actually helped me to get help in the first place, because I didn't even know I needed help, my partner saw the signs. In the past 1.5 years, almost 10 years since I first tried to get help, I've finally found a therapist and a psychiatrist who I trust. I haven't read the journals they write, because I don't feel like I need to, because I doubt that they write things that are simply not true. Sure that they might misinterpret me at times, but they're so understanding in general that I trust that they don't write things that are outright wrong.
Psychiatry unfortunately has the same issue as medical sciences do: people will join for the sake of having control over others. I'm glad you found someone who joined to genuinely help :)
I know exactly what you’re talking about only it was, painfully, a series of custody evaluations for my daughter. Where we live they strive for even parenting unless you can prove or they find something egregious. I found so many of the professionals toeing that line that they actually changed, omitted or just lied on reports in order to make us both equal.
I started therapy properly a year ago after a pretty intense period of self-hatred and self-harm. My psychologist was very clear in letting me know that I showed *traits* of Borderline Personality Disorder. I fit the bill, I could tick off on a lot of the 'symptoms,' I related heavily to others I met with BPD, but she didn't want me to diagnose and *define* myself by that. After a year in therapy, there's been certain traits I don't fit at all anymore, and some I never did, and sometimes a trigger will have me acting exactly like that. But she understands that grey area- and the focus is on managing the triggers, never the disorder being What I Am.
THIS. this talk does do a great job of pointing out that looking at a list of symptoms in the DSM (or anywhere for that matter) can lead to feeling like you have one or multiple mental disorders. the degrees to which one feels symptoms, the frequency in which they’re felt, the pain or disruptiveness they cause, when they began, and what prompted them all matter, too. it takes an trained (and ethical) professional to help interpret symptoms, make a diagnosis if one exists for you, and identify the level of care and type of intervention that’s needed. in thinking about this, the “everyone’s a bit x” statement is both true and untrue. yes, all people can, and likely do, exhibit symptoms of certain disorders. it’s forgotten, though, that these symptoms exist on a spectrum of the human experience. for example - everyone experiences anxiety. it’s a natural reaction which we evolved to help protect us from danger. it only becomes a diagnosable disorder when it begins to interfere with ones life and shows up at times when it shouldn’t. sorry for being si long winded, but my point is that your therapist handled your case as it should be handled. people don’t fit neatly into boxes and it’s the job of a good professional to understand that and ensure their practice reflects that.
Reminds me of a story about a man who was visiting a friend in a psychiatric hospital. He couldn't find the right ward when he spotted a man watering the garden and asked for directions. The man gave him the information and then said "I'm actually a patient here, you can see that I'm quite normal, could you put in a good word for me, because I don't really belong here." The visitor agreed to do so, then turned away to walk off. Suddenly he was hit in the back of the head with a brick, and the man said "Don't forget now!"
This is so true it’s sad. I got sent to a mental hospital for a WEEK in that week they put me on 2 new meds I’ve never been on and tried to say I had a bunch of stuff wrong with me. They told me it was unnatural to cry bc I was in the hospital (against my will I should add) on my mother’s birthday and my best friends family’s funeral
Also the more you would ask to leave or try to convince them you weren’t crazy then they would literally tell you to your face the more you ask the longer they make you stay. So by the 4th day I just stopped crying and talking to the staff
No they didn’t tell you that, you thought they were telling you that and you may need to listen instead of overlaying other folks attempts to communicate with your own assumptions and ideas. How can you hear when your own voice drowns everyone else out?
MrSirBossMan psychopaths are just as bone chilling because they are still capable of awful things. It's just like an alignment. If a psychopath is Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil, they do as they please and kill for pleasure
@@ceIIardoor totally agree some interesting things were said but fell flat because of his lack of presentation skills, but gotta give the man credit he isn't a natural and stood infront of 1500 I think he said, pretty nerve racking for people who are not confident in that sort of thing.
Cellar Door i agree that last bit could’ve been delivered much better, but i didn’t find the background music distracting at all. it added to the tone of the whole presentation imo
Abby I use this video for my business school classes, to demonstrate the very subtle distinctions between high-quality, multimodal delivery and over-the-top, pretentious mooching. “This is the kind of embarrassing presenter you would be,” I tell them, “if your instructor gave you a list of tips and general advice but no
Idk what it is about this guy but his talk was absolutely captivating. It wasn't just the subject matter, it was the way he delivered it. Also I don't know if those scientologists proved that psychiatry is the baloney that they think it is.
Hey! It's Dr. John Smith! Please stop acting like you were not in our asylum. All you do all day is sitting by the wall and typing on an imaginary keyboard and looking at an imaginary screen. You even imagine that you have a doctor called Dr. John Smith.
Emily Herbert.. I would call that nutty, but because someone on the prison library staff thought it okay, it was okay. This the real craziness that goes on. Jon Ronson is so right, our society today cannot deal with grey areas.
It appears a lot of people missed the point of this. This story was neither pro-psychiatry or anti-psychiatry. He masterfully threw in cultural tidbits that created our own bias'. I see Psychologists here blasting this...just a heads up, your own bias kept you from realizing in the end, he did not trust Tony (declined invite for a drink) and it appeared he began to wonder if he, himself, was conned by Tony. The reality is that this is the art of masterful storytelling utilizing our conscious, subconscious, and senses to all react completely different.
Psychology is a psudo science, why the scientific community don't take them seriously.. They cannot even differentiate mental disorders with any form of accuracy so they decided to shove most of them into Anti-social personality disorder to save themselves work.
@@cakeules Not to worry, my parrot heard the story about the rattlesnake that bit me. After a lot of agony and periodic throws of uncontrollable pain the snake finally died.
This is my favorite TedTalk of all time. Have listened to it so many times I've lost count, and it's had a huge impact on me. I just want to say; Thank you, Jon, for this magical talk.
He's very passive, I 'd hate to be around when his lid finally comes off........... maybe we should refer him for medical assessment of his mental state?? I think he's definitely high risk, lets inject him with some anti-psychotics, max dose........
This, honestly would make a great film ..., the screenplay would have to be very well written but if it Is, it could be one of the best psychological thrillers
It's fun that while he was telling the story it felt like i was watching movie in my head! Really great speaker, that background music made it that much better
Manafactariq seriously. They could make you question the whether or not he’s psychopathic. You even like him by the time his tribunal comes around. And then they drop the hammer that he is a full on psycho.
"But the grey area is where you find the complexity. It's where you find the humanity, and it's where you find the truth." That's a beautiful quote, and I've felt that, believed that, my whole life. That quote, that realization, is a gem. "He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas." I also like that one because it too is very true.
If anyone's wondering why there's so many gray zones between mental disorders and mental health/sanity: Mental disorders are defined as overly-strong reactions to situations. A 'normal' person would react to an awkward situation with discomfort, while someone with anxiety or panic disorder might fall into a panic attack. Both react strongly to the same situation but one of them acts in a very unhealthy way. You declare behaviour a mental disorder when it becomes a nuisance or risk to the person in question or the people around them, to the point where their day-to-day life is disrupted or they're putting themselves or others in danger. That's also why he could identify with so many things in the book in the beginning! And that's why everyone's a little psychopathic. Everyone gets in the same situations, but some people react so strongly that it actively influences and hinders their life. (I missed that in the presentation so I'm just gonna throw this out there)
Yuno As someone who has been a psychiatric patient for years, I can tell you that the reason there are so many grey areas in psychiatry is that many diagnoses share similar symptoms, and most mentally healthy people find parts of themselves in mental health diagnoses. For example, I have not been diagnosed as I a psychopath, but I do feel grandiose at times when I'm manic. Also, mental health professionals don't make diagnoses solely based on a patient's behavior; they make them based on ALL of a patient's symptoms.
Yuno because there is not yet a single way to peek in to the human soul and their mind. if someday we have, it will be the end of our humanity. that is the truth of the saying "every (wo)men is an island"
Yuno That is grossly incorrect. A mental illness is a chemical imbalance in various parts of the brain that manifest themselves through abnormal behavioral patterns, thought patterns, and moods. Oh, and you react not to a situation, but to your thoughts about it.
Yuno And, I don't think you understand exactly what psychopathy is. Psychopathy is Antisocial Personality Disorder, antisocial meaning "against society." They don't form emotional bonds, they are very manipulative, they thrive on control, and they will do everything they can to get/maintain it. They are the people who would throw a fat guy in front of a train to stop it.
Even Tony just semi psychopaths, but he was sent to prison and then to hospital for beaten an in a bar, who want to risk his own life to meet tony in a bar?
my guess is that he no longer had a purpose to see Tony anymore so keeping contact with him would do more harm than good. typical exploit and discard strat.
One of the issues with this is that being a psychopath is not in and of itself something that a person should be institutionalized for. It doesn’t make someone a killer, it doesn’t mean they’re violent or dangerous. It’s also an inherent trait that cannot be “cured.” Institutionalizing a person because they’re a psychopath is actually kind of messed up.
@Guitarzen I agree it’s not a good thing- there’s a reason it’s a diagnosis and not just a character trait. About 1% of the U.S. population has psychopathy. That being said- your list of traits is partially incorrect. What was described in this video is a set of traits associated with Psychopathy, but the DSM defines it as being “callously unemotional.” This can result in a diverse set of other traits and issues, however, things like cruelty or violence are not guaranteed. Psychopathy is considered a risk factor for violence, but it is ONLY a risk factor. My point is that people should be institutionalized only when their mental illness has gone beyond their ability to manage it in such a way that endangers their life or the lives of those around them. To presume that simply because someone showed traits of psychopathy is as messed up as institutionalizing someone simply because they are bipolar.
Finally someone actually gets it. Bizarre to me that most people seem to be lacking critical thinking skills to be able to understand this. I do not have psychopathy myself, but find it sad that the world is convinced that psychopath = 100% evil. I can’t even imagine how stigmatized those diagnosed feel on a daily basis. I have loads of empathy for that. People fail to understand that it is a disorder (a rare one at that) and not an inherent moral failing. You can’t help the way in which your brain is from birth. It simply is the way it is.
The absolute best Ted Talk I've ever heard. "He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas. But the gray areas are where you find the complexity." The majority of societal problems has to do with the many labels and stereotypes places upon things. If those left, we would be a lot better off.
I read Jon's book years ago and enjoyed it very much. A fascinating subject in which I was interested. Further research into Psychopathy showed a scary world in which these folks walk among us and have absolutely no empathy for other people. I've known them socially as well as in business and they are frightening. Much better to avoid them whenever possible.
I dont need to google a random biased experiment. I've studied cosmic correlation theories for 25+ years. You're basing your opinion on someone else's findings. It's an esoteric science that has been around for several thousand years and unfortunately for the less erudite of the subject became muddied through the simplification and popularizaton of sun sign or "star" sign horoscopes in Germany prior to WW1
If you're watching this video and feeling like you're at the end of your rope, please know that you're not alone. It's okay to reach out for help, whether that's through therapy, medication, or just talking to a friend. It can be a long and difficult journey, but there is hope and healing on the other side. Thank you to the creator for sharing their story and shedding light on this important topic.
This is such an important video highlighting the importance of discussing mental health and overcoming the stigma associated with depression and anxiety. For those who may be struggling, it's essential to know that there are resources and support available. You may want to check out @Dr.healingstrain, a mycologist who uses mushrooms to help people overcome depression and anxiety. They provide valuable information and support for those dealing with mental health challenges, and their work is worth exploring.
Depression is feeling down but having no control over your body. You continue to smile on autopilot but deep down you are screaming in constant torment.
I have researched and found out that shrooms are very helpful , it has really helps to reduce anxiety and depression . I would love to try magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some , Is there any realiable source I can purchase one
@@CFav7 I have BPD with high functioning bi-polar. Unsure about anyone else, but I could see the black and white thing true for many of us, but now I dont mind that I'm supposedly in this gray area. To me that is like being centred; black and white, right and wrong, good and evil: we all experience these things, but woudl never know one from the other if we didnt see both sides.
A mentally ill ex friend of mine once screamed at me for being happy to find out I was autistic. He was upset with the idea of labels, I was explaining to him that my whole life was hindered by my inability to understand why I was so different from others. I didn’t understand why I functioned differently, thought, and felt differently. When I found out I was autistic it changed my life. I was able to accept myself and fully understand myself and begin to understand others. I functioned better in life, I socialized better, and I finally went to college. He screamed “your a Pisces! That’s all there is!” But my friend was too far gone in his illness to realize that he was upset with himself for being ill. I had to stop talking to him for my own health. My point in telling this small story is that sometimes the labels can help you understand and overcome what your going through, and you don’t have to be bound by them.
Exactly. I have ADHD. No question about it. I found out at 22 and it really put a lot into perspective. I always described myself as lazy, stupid, burnout. Turns out I have a mind that requires constant stimulation. I am doing better now. I am none of those things I thought I was. I am nicer to myself. I am less anxious and resentful and outwardly upset since I figured out what was wrong. I'm doing more to grow as a person now. The ADHD isn't going to define me, but the label helped me. Thanks for sharing. The labels can be harmful or useful. It's best we all reflect on them.
I read a story once about four women that caught Tyfoid fever in the last part of the 1800s and because there wasn’t a cure at the time these four women had to be kept isolated 24/7 and even fed through a hatch , the only place they could keep them was in a mental asylum and eventually a cure was found but because they had been isolated in a mental hospital for 40 years they couldn’t be released because the time had actually sent them insane, the big lesson was if four perfectly sane women are turned insane from being in the hospital then how could it possibly cure an actual insane person
I was hospitalised for saying I had thought about overdosing on pills. I hadn’t acted out on anything I was at a really low point, so it became easy to say what was on my mind. I was only there for a week, but I was put on really heavy medications. They made it difficult for me to function and I gained a lot of weight. I have lost most of it and am on less medication now. I find it ironic because, I said I wanted to overdose with pills and they respond with here have more.
I’m glad that no one knows my issues. Eating disorders, major depression, anxiety, self harm, suicidal thoughts 35 times of staring at pills, loaded gun, razors... I’ve been like this for 5 years I told my mom that I wanted to see a doctor for 5 times but she said she was not gonna take me to a doctor because she didn’t want to give me those pills.
That's...not how you deal with those kinds of emotional problems, people. Come on people stop being so afraid of dealing with emotional problems that you throw pills at them hoping they work. You can't throw medication at every mental problem and hope it works; that's not how emotions work. You can't cure sadness with a pill, can you? A child is emotionally hurt due to being abandoned by their parents and so believing they are a disappointment. Do you give them medication in hopes that it will make them stop believing that? No, they need to learn that they aren't a disappointment and that they are loved; how would medication teach them that? In fact, they may think something is wrong with them due to the medication and when it doesn't work blame themselves, making the problem worse. Medication cannot solve everything; we need to learn to stop being afraid of other people's emotions and try to fix them rather than ignoring them and hoping it gets solved on it's own or throwing medication at them to do all the work. If someone were to approach you claiming they wanted to end their life, do you give them pills and hope that does the trick? NO. You talk to them, get them help, convince them that they had reasons to live, etc. You don't just give them a pill and leave it at that. If you were that person, wouldn't that make you feel like you really weren't important or cared for when you got put aside like that? Wouldn't that than just convince you that you really should end your life if your cries for help were tossed to the side with some medication? What if you were struggling for survival alone and you went up to someone, and all they did was give you supplies and then leave you too it? That's essentially what handing someone who needs help medication is. Yes, medication can help, but it is not the solution and if it is used, it should be used along with other methods.
As over-quoted, as he is, the story reminded me of this “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”-Marcus Aurelius
But normal people tend to be bad at faking madness. In my own opinion, one has to be a psychopath to be able to act out different personality traits to different people under different circumstances.
Babatunde Ojerinde don’t be silly, anyone could have a latent talent for acting and pathos, regardless of where they fall on the psychopathy spectrum. Unless you believe every broadway and Hollywood actor is a psychopath? In my experience, psychopathic kids tend to be diametrically opposed to the ones that call themselves “theatre kids”
@@homosexualpanic It's not about attention spans.. it's about over doing it. The music and visuals were too much and overbearing to the actual lecture taking place. If that wasn't true for you.. awesome glad you enjoyed it.
@@homosexualpanic yes. There's a lot going on with this video. Trying to concentrate on what the speaker is saying is hard. It would be respectful to the speaker if the music were turned down so the audience has his full attention.
When I was four my mother took me to a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with split personality disorder and bipolar depression. Why? Becuase I was sad I was stuck in side on a sunny day when I was four and started talking to my imaginary friend. I was medicated until I was 14 when I stopped taking my.meds. this same psychiatrist told my mom that whenever the drugs they had me on would cuase me to flip out and loose my shot that she should wrap me in a blanket and either throw me in the closet and lock the door or sit on me. My mother was 340 pounds and I was a 40 point 5 year old when this happened. I dont have split personality disorder and never did. But now when I apply for government jobs they tell me no. I dont have bipolar depression. I get sad when I dont get to do the things I want to do. I havent had a pill or seen I psychrist since I was 14. I am 25 and am a normal funchoning member of soceity. The only mental disorder I legitimately have is ironicly the only disorder they didnt try to clai. I had. Dyslexia. Why becuase there is no drug they can give you that fixes dyslexia. I'm conclusion psychiatrists are monsters.
Not all psychiatrists are monsters, but the system rewards a lot of psychiatrists for misdiagnosing. Because chemists have a vested interest in selling meds, 15 minutes on therapy and and a prescription for a drug is 2/3ds as much money than an hour of therapy, so many therapists make sure they sell as much medication as possible. Maybe see a clinical psychologist instead?
I'm really sorry that happened to you. You should not have been put through that nightmare for having an imagination and expressing yourself as a small child. Small children should never ever ever be put on psychotropic medication. It's laziness on the medico's part and ignorance on your mother's part. I wish you happiness and comfort.
My consultant once sat me down to just talk about the reasoning of medicine - amazing clinician; works as an oncologist but ran the spectrum of knowledge from philosophy to psychology to clinical medicine. As we were talking about diagostic reasoning he laughed (very kindly) about some of my attempts at trying to breakdown symptoms and diseases. "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." He'd say. He retired this year and I don't get to see him much anymore. But I think that's the point this video tries to make. Clinical medicine is deeply complex and we try our best to box things up because patterns emerge in random events but individual events are inherently random. The DSM and Psychology isn't witchcraft and white coat doctors trying to label everything they can - and it's worth remembering that the reason that DSM grows isn't to try and label everything as abnormal; but to try and tease out the complexity and nuace of what is abnormal and try and sift through the wheat from the chaf. Physicians are fully aware of the pitfalls - that's why the training to become a psychiatrist takes so long. It's not about memorising the DSM - it's about understanding the grey zones where most people lie.
My mothers friends child was diagnosed with autism when he was 6. He didn't respond as a normal child when he was spoken to. Always kept to himself and didn't speak for the most part. Once, when they came to us, my mother was gentle with that kid. As she always is, she started to pet him, was gentle and cheerful. Called him by his name and spoke to him as if he was a normal child. She noticed that the child reacted to her words and looked at her in a focused manner. I don't really know how she persuaded those parents, but they stoped the treatment. Started to spend more time with that kid. Found a child psychologist that helped them find mutual language with one another. That child is 13 now. He is fine. Going to a normal school, having friends, normal life. I have a couple of stories like that in my family where believing doctors ment hurting yourself/relative. The lesson for me from all of these stories is this - doctors are not you friends, not authority figures that you follow unquestionably. They are tools to fix the problem. You decide wether to use them or not.
@@zhou_sei gets strangers to pay him to stand in dimly lit room and tell them about how much definitively he isn't a psychopath, he's just very preoccupied with thinking and talking about psychopaths
@@AbominableHuman It was more of an ironic statement ..so, i wasn't really thinking you were planning on it. Just saying that Finland feels like a nuthouse most of the time these days..then again, most of the world seems like one, also.
Your talk was absolutely fascinating. I agree that psychologists and psychiatrists over label people, me included. I was and still do experience clinical depression, but one psychiatrist that would only see me via video chat and had a heavy Indian accent was bent on labeling me as bipolar, which I am obviously not and had been seeing doctors for years and showed absolutely no signs of bipolar disorder. I told her she was crazy and asked for a different doc. She was totally demeaning and refused to transfer me to a different psych doc. I had to find a different clinic and start all over. These docs are megelomaniacs at times and do more harm than good and if a patient is weak willed can be harmed irrevocably by them and the medication they prescribe. I dodged a bullet I believe.
Exactly - people need to be aware that it's not abnormal nor suspicious to try a different Doctor, for any reason. There are pressures/madates to hire certain people that would otherwise never be considered. Some are blatantly incompetent, some are intolerably smug and dismissive, etc. It's a demoralizing experience with bad treatment, but, there's also good Doctors out there who are intelligent and actually care about your outcome.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I've had similar experiences and it's so frustrating. On a separate note, it would be a kindness to remove the reference to the doctor's accent since many people with accents are made to feel ashamed for them. Unfortunately, I know firsthand that clinicians from every kind of background can exhibit the kind of bias you experienced. : - (
I do feel the most harmful and frequent form of psychopathy is the need to pigeonhole others. They say psychopathy is on a spectrum like most disorders that effect humans but “professionals” often play the flagging game because of one tiny detail of a person that may happen to find its way into conversation and fit the bill. Psychological evaluation for any disorder can verge on being criminalising in this day and age as it is done belligerently and even atrociously.
@@hannahmiller5515 Well I think that it was Alan Watts that pointed out ages ago, people are being encouraged to psychoanalyse themselves and each other. I think the emphasis on mental health disorders in society has become unhealthy and considering Carl Jung’s theory on psychological viruses it could even be suggesting and driving mental health problems. Mental health problems definitely meant a lack of credibility just decades ago and it still lingers as a nuance because we’re humans and it takes generations for an attitude to actually dissipate.
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I was half expecting him to reveal that Tony had multiple personalities and one of them was Jon.
I was waiting for the climax ending that Tony had committed murder or something else as bad and was proven psycopathic after all. Bit of a let down. Maybe the story behind the story is the real story.
As interesting as that would've been, multiple personalities don't really exist. They just pop up a lot in fiction because it makes for a compelling story.
The world LOVES grey areas. People love grey areas so much it's become the excuse of choice to ignore the true black and white nature of the world. Everything is black and white. The people telling you otherwise are trying to cheat you.
daemonCaptrix Eh? I disagree with that in the way you put it. If everything is varying degrees of black and white them each is a different shade of gray
knes167 - There are degrees of how acceptable something is based on how much it helps or hurts. But don't confuse that with the action itself having degrees of black and white. Whether you accept something or choose to do something about it is your opinion. It's not part of the nature of the action you're responding to. Things are either 100% good and 0% evil, or 100% evil and 0% good, or 0% both. Also, just because each situation has different actions which may be good or evil, that doesn't mean the actions themselves are partially good and partially evil. Bad people want to confuse you into thinking that so they can get away with murder, but it's not true.
daemonCaptrix Polarizing things is flawed imo, it just leads to hyprocisy. For example murder is wrong and would make you a criminal, but killing someone like a serial killer or terrorist would make you a hero with the same action. Good and evil are honestly just subjective depending on the environment you (grow up) develop in. Depending on the town/country the parameters of good and evil change, that proves its not concrete as we'd like to believe
BlackManiaGaming "No, I won't have the drink with you bc I suffer from generalized anxiety disorder and dude you're kinda making me feel anxious!" Lol He TOTALLY should've had the drink with Tony imo. For a thousand really good reasons in favor, which one or two reasons against the idea could never gain validity over. If I was this guy, I'd do everything I can to find Tony and have the meet up. My situation had contributed to me losing touch with tons of people and connections in my life, and it SUCKS to let that happen! EVER.
Not a psychologist, but a lawyer who works with the public across all of it, it’s understandable that humans try to frame things in patterns that are convenient or feel safe. The reality is that everyone is a unique individual. Applying names and characterizations may help us discuss the patterns, but it doesn’t help individuals much. Best to take each person as a unique individual, including in therapy and in law.
I think he's missing the overall reason for the DSM. Everybody experiences most symptoms on most diagnosis, but it's when it's severely impacting your life, it's disabling you from behaving how you want to/know/should behave leading into problems such as depression. The problem with this dude is that he's a proud to be a psychopath, that's fine, he clearly didn't want to change, he seemed content. This talk seems to dismiss the DSM as a valid and helpful medical tool. I get his point, that the world isn't so black and white. This is why the DSM is for medical students/staff only. Because everyday people read it like a horoscope, which it's not meant to be read as. And if you speak to a professional, not a journalist. They will tell you that most of these disorders come on a spectrum. Which is why everyone experiences some of the symptoms listed. It's whether it affects your daily life in areas like work, relationships and personal life over months or longer, is when people seek medical help. Not when they've only had a bad week.
Thank you Kita. I think the speaker had a vested interest in tearing down the DSM. If it is proven wrong through his argument, then he isn't mentally compromised. If the DSM has validity, then he has a diagnosable disorder.
Umm, did you miss the fact that Tony had recently gone to mainstream jail for being involved in a brawl in a bar? Psychopath or not it's called logical deduction.
I think you can both wish that someone is not locked up and also wish not to be his friend... While everyone has a gray area in their personality, they also have a gray area (or a spectrum) of how much they tolerate others
The man being on a spectrum was just a half of the decision. Tony got in jail twice for brawls in bars. The invitation was for a drink in a bar. I think there is a pattern emerging.
Don’t mind this comment: I’m just writing down some time code I’ll have to use for a school presentation: Tony’s story : 2:24 Tony sane-looking outfit : 4:21 Convince you’re sane : 5:56 "sitting like a journalist" : 6:35 Statistics: 8:50 Capitalism : 9:25 AI Dunlap’s grand Florida mansion: 10:52 Dunlap psychopath checklist : 12:19 Journalist defining by the maddest edges: 13:49 Everyone is a bit psychopathic : 15:46 Gray area : 16:54
Al Dunlap prob needs that mansion to affirm he is smarter than the rest of the world. A psychopath needs nothing to convince themselves they are smarter than the rest of the world. Oil painting too.
Well, since 7th grade everyone has been jokingly calling me psycho, nickname stuck with me for nearly 20 years. Until life brought me at the wrong place the wrong time. Long story short, i had to get psychiatric evaluations which went horribly wrong. Even started doubting myself. It is indeed a lot harder to convince people you are sane
LOL! I was just thinking that too. He's so self-deprecating and funny, it makes you put your guard down and trust him. He would have made an awesome psychopath! 😉
“The grey area is where you find the complexity, the humanity” - I absolutely love that because it’s so true, robots can only follow the straight lines they can only make boxes and sort, they can only make marks on the checklist. They can’t evaluate the emotion because they can’t relate to it, bots don’t understand the inner complexities of humans because we don’t understand them ourselves and computers are only as capable as the programmer who made them. And that’s so beautiful, because even when we think we’re simple being with not much going on there’s always so much more going on underneath our perception and we never lose that! Ah so cool! Thank you!!
We are unique assemblies of common parts. YOU, may be a unique snowflake, but the properties of water and freezing are common to all snowflakes (and NO, I'm not using it in that derogatory manner which has become popular in recent times). When we look at the common parts we can explain quite easily why people do certain things in certain ways. How they are arranged may be a complex pattern that could have very unusual or subtle features, but we are rarely random and rarely have no cause. Psychiatry isn't about putting people in boxes, its understanding the boxes they are made of.
Psychopathy is locking a man in a building with serial killers for 12 years and then expecting him to be perfectly fine. It's a lot like tossing someone into a cesspit and then complaining that they smell bad.
And delusional is thinking a psychiatric hospital will be better than a jail. I know a lot of people go on about how sending people to them instead of jails is being soft on crime, but I've known a few federal penitentiary guards & nurses who also worked in psychiatric incarceration, and the pen is where you go to destress after working in psych. Mind you, I'm not sure what the moral is beyond not to make important life decisions when you're a juvie in remand.
@@jeffreyquinn3820 If people had access to mental health care to begin with, maybe the criminal justice system would not be their first opportunity to get help from a mental health professional.
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I unsubscribed and set TH-cam to not notify me of your videos because of crap like this video.
Can’t even hear the talk because the music sound effects are so loud.
@@jerritanner275Was going to say the same thing. It is so annoying. Like nails on a chalk board if you listen to the video on increased speed.
I would like those 18 minutes of life back, please. I kept waiting for that to get good, and it was just abysmal
Tony: I'm not a psychopath!
Tony's doctor: *That's exactly what a psychopath would say!*
catch 22 right there
666th like, hail satan.
when people think you are sane it is easier to convince them you are crazy than it is when they think you are crazy and you are trying to convince them you are sane
When i read this i see the meme with the 2 girls yelling and the cat at the table😂😂
Narcissists are easy. They love admitting they're narcissists, for the most part.
I really like that one line "I was desperate to define him by his maddest edges."
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Yeah wow powerful line
Yeah I edged for like 40min once I wonder how long this beast did.
what is edge? in the translate say is a border. can someone explain uwu
@@orianabecerra9217 it means that he wanted to judge him by the most extreme parts of his personality
"It's a lot harder to convince people you're sane than to convince people you're crazy." I fell that on a spiritual level.
i didnt
i didnt
@@lunavyz901 ...ok...
Spirituality is for crazy people.
I actually repeated it, whispered out loud. Felt that too.
I remember learning about a psychology study where the researchers would admit themselves into a mental hospital. Don't remember too much of the details, but the main point was once you're labelled as "insane" it's extremely hard to remove the tag. Even if you behave normally (which is hard to do when you're actively trying to behave normally) and deny that you're insane, it's labelled as insane behavior.
The Rosenhan experiment! "On Being Sane in Insane Places" !!!
If you read Jon Ronson’s book, The Psychopath Test, he references that study. This talk is just a flavour of what is an equally excellent read.
@@smartugs1 okay, that's going my reading list. Thanks for the tip.
Rosenhan Experiment?
@@smartugs1Rosenhan Experiment?
I think the biggest problem is that if you tell someone for 14 years every day that they are insane, at one point they start to believe you.
there's a term for that in psychology, self-fulfilling prophecy, you can show it by providing positive and negative feedbacks to people's goals and see what happens
That’s not a problem , ain’t nobody be telling someone that everyday for 14 years my guy
@@mello3762 there is no need to say anything when you lock them up in a psychiatric ward and won't let them leave. That brings the message across well enough.
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there is like a thing that if a doctor or somebody that you trust says that if you take a pill or something it will actually have an affect even if the pill does nothing idk what it is called like if you say: what is that smell it smells so bad. and like hold your nose people will think it will smell
"The grey area is were you find the complexity, the truth, the humanity." Beautiful quote.
I like Leonard Cohen's line "there is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in". For me it means that truth can be found between the theories, the logic, the systems, in the unquantifiable bits of life that are ignored.
Where**
I'm sorry, but I haven't understood why the grey area is where we can find *humanity* yet. Can someone explain it for me 🤔
@@vchankobuonloi7013 here take my example, bad and good human behavior is depend on the situation, the rough situation : killing people is bad, why would you kill people without reason? Is it good if you had a reason? You know what? Idk you why I bother to answer your question? Are you even real? F you.
Alright why I'm mad at you?
I'm sorry.
Your welcome.
@@skuyliving8889 5head explainations
,,There's about 30 or 40 psychopaths in this room."
Psychopaths in the room: *laughing inside*
Like a sideshow Bob laugh 😂
Nope, they were the one laughing out the loudest:)
Actually most psychopaths dont even know they are
It's other that cinsider them as such, that Is the strange thing to understand
Psychopath's mostly blend in with the crowd to appear normal, so they'd probably laugh the loudest in the crowd.
During my life I amassed a huge number of diagnostic labels - anxiety, GAD, depression, OCD, SAD, PTSD, potential bipolar/BPD, complex PTSD.... only, it was none of those things.
It was autism and it took 41-years, decades of therapy, and countless clinical assessments to be correctly identified.
The DSM is only helpful if the clinician is fully aware. And believe me, not all practitioners are made equal.
Misdiagnosis happens all the time.
Makes you wonder how the DSM will continue to evolve in the coming decades!
true
This is happening to me now🌝🌝🌝
So you definitely believe that autism is correct even though you were misdiagnosed with a dozen wrong disorders....? 🤔
My ex was misdiagnosed for the final 4 years of her life. . She suffered with schizo- affective disorder, it turned out. By the time the correct diagnosis was given, it was already too late. She passed away in April 2006 , and no one found her till 4 days later. Her doctor ( the one who incorrectly told her she was fine) was retired on health grounds.
Imagine after the speech he just started laughing and said “ That's right. I am Tony ”
Lol
HOLY GOD-
That would have been awesome
Woah
I've looked at this comment for about 3 minutes or not, and I'm still not sure if this is a Death Note reference or not lol.
"The only difference between a madman and me is that the madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad."
Salvador Dali
- The Grandaddy of live action anime.
Crazy people don't think there crazy, I think I'm crazy, therefore I'm not. Crazy ey?
-M. Smith.
"The only difference between a poor man and me is that I print my own money."
Salvador Dali.
We need easier explanation but beautifully stated
Wannabe phycopaths be like:
someone once said "it is easier to fool people than to convince them they're fooled"
You just quoted Mark Twain.
Ask trump or markle‼️
Perfect to describe the world lately.
Brandolini's law
Anime People Mark Twain said "it is easier to fool people than to convince people they've been fooled".
I think the conclusion is so on point, we live in a world that’s obsessed with categorisation because it makes things easier for us to understand but this is something that doesn’t work well when applied to mental state
Spot on
It doesn't work well in most situations I would even say
Most important to me is this journalist admitting that he took the bits that backed up how he wanted his story to look and left out anything that contradicted it. It takes a good person to admit that.
He admits it, but then proceeds to present an outlier and a very specific case in order to further his pointless point of "Every one's a little bit psychopathic".
It takes a smart man to admit he's wrong, and a good man to actually do something to correct himself.
@@darwinjaevidavin8916
He purposefully provided examples that pushed in both directions so as to not present any conclusion.
Bragging about intentionally being deceptive is the trait if a good person? Really? Or is it more psychopathic?
@@TheBuddyLama
I think you are reading too much into it.
All Journalists look for sensationalism to sell their writing.
You don't hear about all the days a nuclear power plant is doing just fine. You hear about that time one of their pumps malfunctioned.
If you write a book about someone, you won't write about his days were nothing happens.
He is saying that his job is to look for things to write about, which happen to be when things are off or wrong or exceptional.
And that having this incentive if followed to obsessively can be very deceptive for those listening.
Just look at media today, all news channels on the planet suddenly got obsessed with finding sensationalism to the point where they want something horrible to happen so that they can write about it.
A bit like what lawyers do.
"It could be carnage by the end of the night"
Everyone: *nervous laughter*
The lady that sat up and adjusted her legs didn’t laugh and it def sent off red flags 😂
Upstream53 ........irrelevant?
If I laugh evilly at that part thinking it'd be fun, what does that mean🤔
the doors of perception def normal 😂
one person at the back row: *excited laughter*
"You know what Jon? Everyone's a bit psychopathic."
"You are, I am. Well, obviously I am."
IDK, I actually score very low on every points.
@@Tamizushi Yeah, but that's what a psychopath would say...
@@TheC-O-D-Y-Project Not really. Psychopaths are often quite happy to brag about every single ones of their psychopathic traits.
@@Tamizushi no they don't because they don't wanna be separate from the crowd they want to be a part of it so that they aren't called out, their scared of their imperfections because it shows them they're just like everyone else and bursts their bubble of grandiosity as it brings them down to the level of a normal human
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You are assuming psychopaths act rationally. We aren't talking about a hypothetical pathology right now. What I'm telling you is that actually, in real life, when psychopaths are asked about their psychopathic behaviors, they tend to be quite unapologetic about it. They brag about it. I'm not saying they say "I'm a psychopath", I'm saying if, for example, you ask them if there are ever ashamed of anything, they will say "never", and so on.
This reminds me of a study conducted in 1960s by Rosenhan, where 8 completely sane people go into these hospitals claiming they heard voices but then act completely normal. it tuned out that nurses recorded their very normal behavior like pacing out of boredom as schizophrenic traits
I'm sorry, either I missed it, or that didn't explain how they claimed they heard voices.
@@Kisamon I think it's just worded a little confusingly. The subjects claimed they heard voices in order to get into the hospitals. Once inside, they acted normally, but the nurses recorded their normal behavior as schizophrenic behavior.
I think they also took notes about their experiences and the staff wrote they “exhibited note taking behavior”, whereas the patients said “you’re faking aren’t you?”
Yeah, it's scary how much the label you give someone affects how you interpret their behaviour. As a mental exercise I like to flip labels around in my mind and see if I would view the person/situation differently. It's so easy to jump on the bandwagon of popular opinion. I honestly feel like peer pressure isn't something that goes away after you become an adult. You're always encouraged to side with public opinion through fear of social repercussions.
The dsm gives several symptoms of psychological disorders. The reason why everyone can relate to those symptoms is because, at healthy levels, they're all mostly normal human behaviors. They only become disorders if these symptoms interfere with your ability to live a normal life. (By normal I mean live a functional live)
When a mental disorder crosses the line of being disruptive to your life, it becomes a mental illness. That's why psychopathy isn't classified as a "mental illness" because most sociopaths or psychopaths live fairly normal, productive lives. Since psychopathy is not an official mental disorder, the condition experts diagnose it as ASPD.
yes! in fact you can only classify something as a disorder if it is all of the following: 1)dysfunctional 2)dangerous(to self/others) 3)deviant 4)distressing
Spelling counts
Define Functional
What's a functional life though
"He's a grey area in a world that doesn't like grey areas."
Never heard anything truer.
I kid you not i read that at the exact time he said it.
that's crazy me too
I LOVE THAT QUOTE
i can relate...
According to, Wikipedia, i'm a sociopath with antisocial personality disorder, but i think i'm in that grey area
Weak quote... Replace "Grey area" with pretty much any negative word and boom! You're a philosopher.
All my dreams end with people screaming, "you're a failure!" Then I go to bed
so then its not a dream
savage but well played
😂
yikes i wish i didnt relate
liked this post, notice it was at 69, unliked
Absolutely. I went to visit a friend in a mental hospital. When we were sat there, there was random screaming and banging in the corridors which was really scary! I said "I bet you stay in here all the time, I know I would!" and she said she had to start with but she'd been told they thought she was insane because she didn't want to socialise with the other inmates. So she was having to force herself out to be with them. I cried all the way home for her. (She's fine now and back in the community).
I was forced will have too be forced again if needed I'm not spirit again f all psychology unless I'm learning about it or dealing with the practiced elders and medication s.
They’re patients not inmates
@@theonejokeking3191 Oh it would be great if that were true
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Hmm, I think you might have a case of severe paranoia disorder, on account of the belief that a website algorithm has conspired to convince you that you're a psychopath.
@@jadeingels3475 it's a joke.
@@jessarose2288 THAT was a joke
lol u'r ok
@@jadeingels3475 ī890)pparķìnson
"Crazy people don't know they're crazy. But I know I'm crazy therefore I'm not crazy. Isn't that crazy?"
I'm CPL. Klinger
In his book he writes about that. Psychopaths don’t know their psychopaths and anyone who says their crazy is not.
I'm a serial commenter. I respond when you least expect it. Tick me off and i will comment until you can't any more. I can't help it but it feels good.
@@gdolphy hi
you're crazy
A book with 374 mental disorders... Find someone that has none of them and watch that number go up to 375.
eiebsrebla no comments?
@@swift3602 Idk man, apparently you didn't have anything to say besides 'No comments?' either. So I guess there's not much to say.
jesus didnt
@@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027 Exist?
edward monroe: JESUS CHRIST is, amongst historians, thought to have nearly certainly existed.
I find the part about bomb-sniffing bees interesting, because I've been to bad MDs and bad therapists many times, and every time I feel like I don't trust them and read my journal afterwards, it's obvious why I didn't trust them, simply because they misinterpreted several things I said.
For example, when one MD asked me about my daily life as unemployed I said that I play video games, go for walks, and other things like that. What they wrote was "Plays video games all day and never goes out". And once I told a therapist that my depression got worse a specific year, and I had previously mentioned that I moved in with my partner that same year, in my journal it said "Partner makes them depressed", which wasn't true at all, especially since my depression got worse in the beginning of said year, and I moved in with my partner in the end of that year, and my partner actually helped me to get help in the first place, because I didn't even know I needed help, my partner saw the signs.
In the past 1.5 years, almost 10 years since I first tried to get help, I've finally found a therapist and a psychiatrist who I trust. I haven't read the journals they write, because I don't feel like I need to, because I doubt that they write things that are simply not true. Sure that they might misinterpret me at times, but they're so understanding in general that I trust that they don't write things that are outright wrong.
Psychiatry unfortunately has the same issue as medical sciences do: people will join for the sake of having control over others. I'm glad you found someone who joined to genuinely help :)
I know exactly what you’re talking about only it was, painfully, a series of custody evaluations for my daughter. Where we live they strive for even parenting unless you can prove or they find something egregious. I found so many of the professionals toeing that line that they actually changed, omitted or just lied on reports in order to make us both equal.
Going for a walk one a month doesn't qualify.
@@ChessJourneyman What on Earth are you talking about?
@@ChessJourneyman why not? besides they said “daily life” so I’d assume it means they go on walks *daily*
About the bomb-sniffing bees: he wasn't wrong.
Those bees are like: Screw honey. All my homies hate honey. We out here smoking gunpowder.
Bees have the best smell in the world. Way better than dogs
Why cldnt it be mosquitos
Plot twist: He's Tony. Jon actually did go to the bar, and Tony killed him, and assumed his identity.
diagnosis: believes bees can smell explosives
I started therapy properly a year ago after a pretty intense period of self-hatred and self-harm. My psychologist was very clear in letting me know that I showed *traits* of Borderline Personality Disorder. I fit the bill, I could tick off on a lot of the 'symptoms,' I related heavily to others I met with BPD, but she didn't want me to diagnose and *define* myself by that. After a year in therapy, there's been certain traits I don't fit at all anymore, and some I never did, and sometimes a trigger will have me acting exactly like that. But she understands that grey area- and the focus is on managing the triggers, never the disorder being What I Am.
Brilliant! And congratulations Amelia
@@silviasegura3742 Thankyou :)
@Milly May what are you, 12?
THIS. this talk does do a great job of pointing out that looking at a list of symptoms in the DSM (or anywhere for that matter) can lead to feeling like you have one or multiple mental disorders. the degrees to which one feels symptoms, the frequency in which they’re felt, the pain or disruptiveness they cause, when they began, and what prompted them all matter, too. it takes an trained (and ethical) professional to help interpret symptoms, make a diagnosis if one exists for you, and identify the level of care and type of intervention that’s needed.
in thinking about this, the “everyone’s a bit x” statement is both true and untrue. yes, all people can, and likely do, exhibit symptoms of certain disorders. it’s forgotten, though, that these symptoms exist on a spectrum of the human experience. for example - everyone experiences anxiety. it’s a natural reaction which we evolved to help protect us from danger. it only becomes a diagnosable disorder when it begins to interfere with ones life and shows up at times when it shouldn’t.
sorry for being si long winded, but my point is that your therapist handled your case as it should be handled. people don’t fit neatly into boxes and it’s the job of a good professional to understand that and ensure their practice reflects that.
You have a very good psychologist!!
Reminds me of a story about a man who was visiting a friend in a psychiatric hospital. He couldn't find the right ward when he spotted a man watering the garden and asked for directions. The man gave him the information and then said "I'm actually a patient here, you can see that I'm quite normal, could you put in a good word for me, because I don't really belong here." The visitor agreed to do so, then turned away to walk off. Suddenly he was hit in the back of the head with a brick, and the man said "Don't forget now!"
Then what?!,I found your story in the cliffhanger...
amazing
we need a part 2😂
Wut
@@Mxrk_Hxshim Does a sane person throw a brick at someone's head to get their attention??
This is so true it’s sad. I got sent to a mental hospital for a WEEK in that week they put me on 2 new meds I’ve never been on and tried to say I had a bunch of stuff wrong with me. They told me it was unnatural to cry bc I was in the hospital (against my will I should add) on my mother’s birthday and my best friends family’s funeral
Also the more you would ask to leave or try to convince them you weren’t crazy then they would literally tell you to your face the more you ask the longer they make you stay. So by the 4th day I just stopped crying and talking to the staff
Wow - just being forced to go there in the first place must’ve been scary.
The people that work there maybe were once patients.
No they didn’t tell you that, you thought they were telling you that and you may need to listen instead of overlaying other folks attempts to communicate with your own assumptions and ideas. How can you hear when your own voice drowns everyone else out?
@@morganj7734 So sorry you experienced that! That is literally my nightmare. Good wishes to you!
@Adzes Gaslighting & Trolling in one, + bonus points for hypocrisy and lack of self-insight. Congrats, I guess?🏆👺🏆
It would have been bone-chilling if in the end he was actually Tony.
Yeah that could be a real good movie plot !
And this video was taking place inside of an asylum 😶
dude this comment got me shook
MrSirBossMan psychopaths are just as bone chilling because they are still capable of awful things. It's just like an alignment. If a psychopath is Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil, they do as they please and kill for pleasure
um, he did murder someone when he was 17.
Plot twist: He's Tony. Jon actually did go to the bar, and Tony killed him, and assumed his identity.
Unfortunately, Jon's always looked like a geek, no self-respecting psychopath would choose that.
@@Demiglitch But then wouldn't that be the best way to hide your psychopathy?
So basically you stole the number one comment and played with it, are you a psychopath ?
@Daniel Watanajarukij but also cunning lol
Daniel Watanajarukij Remember how smart they can be, they would take that hit to the ego.
I gotta admit that this dude got mad presentation skills, with the background music, effects and all that.
The background music was much too distracting, and his voice delivery was a bit awkward...he failed on that last revelation - awful delivery.
@@ceIIardoor totally agree some interesting things were said but fell flat because of his lack of presentation skills, but gotta give the man credit he isn't a natural and stood infront of 1500 I think he said, pretty nerve racking for people who are not confident in that sort of thing.
Cellar Door i agree that last bit could’ve been delivered much better, but i didn’t find the background music distracting at all. it added to the tone of the whole presentation imo
Hrz meditation
Abby I use this video for my business school classes, to demonstrate the very subtle distinctions between high-quality, multimodal delivery and over-the-top, pretentious mooching. “This is the kind of embarrassing presenter you would be,” I tell them, “if your instructor gave you a list of tips and general advice but no
Idk what it is about this guy but his talk was absolutely captivating. It wasn't just the subject matter, it was the way he delivered it. Also I don't know if those scientologists proved that psychiatry is the baloney that they think it is.
Agreed
😅😅
This is honestly my worst nightmare, not being able to prove I'm sane.
Hey! It's Dr. John Smith! Please stop acting like you were not in our asylum. All you do all day is sitting by the wall and typing on an imaginary keyboard and looking at an imaginary screen. You even imagine that you have a doctor called Dr. John Smith.
@@SylvesterLazarus Dr John Smith is my beau. Stop being such an impersonator 🙄. Blocked, reported and moving on.
@@natashagalt6631 Come on Pineapple! If you would be insane, the voices you hear in your head would most certainly tell you!
@@Jiyukan #WhenPeopleSayYouHearVoices #ItsJustMyFriends lol
That's the issue: No one should be allowed to require you to prove that without you having done something criminal that relates to mental state.
That hit pretty close. I Imagine a psychopath never cried themselves to sleep, that simplifies the test a bit.
But they can fake so they have their way
I've cried myself to sleep bc I realise Im all the things on the checklist...
@@danielhayes8348 so you're not a psycopath? Sorry, I can't make myself cry, cool if you can lol
hmmm......I can, but only when I think of sad things which isn't relevant to the discussion, are there other ways of making yourself cry?
@@Human1337 actors do it😐 its quite amazing i wanna learn how to do that
Who puts a biography of ted bundy in a prison??
Emily Herbert.. I would call that nutty, but because someone on the prison library staff thought it okay, it was okay. This the real craziness that goes on. Jon Ronson is so right, our society today cannot deal with grey areas.
People should be aware that not all psychopaths in a prison are the ones that are behind bars.
Um psychopaths aren't exactly known for their honesty lol
Good observation, that one had slipped by me, having a Ted Bundy biography in a prison library is insane.
@@daisyloumisakidondu6159 Neither are people in general. Everyone lies, as Dr. House says.
I wasn’t sure what to expect. I was perfectly entertained. Quite thought provoking.
It appears a lot of people missed the point of this. This story was neither pro-psychiatry or anti-psychiatry. He masterfully threw in cultural tidbits that created our own bias'. I see Psychologists here blasting this...just a heads up, your own bias kept you from realizing in the end, he did not trust Tony (declined invite for a drink) and it appeared he began to wonder if he, himself, was conned by Tony.
The reality is that this is the art of masterful storytelling utilizing our conscious, subconscious, and senses to all react completely different.
I think he realized that he only went psychotic at bars you silly goose lol and knew that he could be a cool dude, just not at bars, apparently.
Nailed it.
Psychology is a psudo science, why the scientific community don't take them seriously.. They cannot even differentiate mental disorders with any form of accuracy so they decided to shove most of them into Anti-social personality disorder to save themselves work.
@Spooky Moo well reading that was helpful to me at least, your commented didn't do much at all
I took away that Tony is a bad drunk. Not a guy you want to drink with.
What a beautiful choice of words when he realized what being a journalist is.
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Oh wow, thanks for liking this comment so much guys!
I loved that part
According to the "Check List" my cat is a psychopath. I knew my parrot was, but my cat?!?
Patrick Martin - aren’t all cats psychopaths? I knew mine was before I heard the talk! 😆
@@marylynne9104 I think you may be right. All this time I was thinking my cat was simply aloof, lol
I noticed your psychopathic parrot perched dangerously close to your head... Are you sure that's a good idea?
@@cakeules Not to worry, my parrot heard the story about the rattlesnake that bit me. After a lot of agony and periodic throws of uncontrollable pain the snake finally died.
ALL cats are psychopaths. 😸
This is my favorite TedTalk of all time. Have listened to it so many times I've lost count, and it's had a huge impact on me. I just want to say; Thank you, Jon, for this magical talk.
pretty good. i watched twice.
I recommend his book, The Psycopath Test... very very good
Definitely one of the best speakers!
This guy Needs to do Audiobooks His Voice is so soothing I Love it
He does read his own audiobooks, but I find his reading odd as he pauses a lot at odd times.
He's very passive, I 'd hate to be around when his lid finally comes off........... maybe we should refer him for medical assessment of his mental state?? I think he's definitely high risk, lets inject him with some anti-psychotics, max dose........
He's not bad, but you need to hear LockPickingLawyer.
"Smoother than a cashmere codpiece".
He has a bunch of audio books in audible and you can find them in TH-cam
@Kishan P. sado masochists indeed
This, honestly would make a great film ..., the screenplay would have to be very well written but if it Is, it could be one of the best psychological thrillers
It's fun that while he was telling the story it felt like i was watching movie in my head! Really great speaker, that background music made it that much better
fun fact: Jon Ronson is actually a screenwriter too. he wrote Frank (2014) and Okja!
You sound like you would love Mindhunter on Netflix.
Manafactariq seriously. They could make you question the whether or not he’s psychopathic. You even like him by the time his tribunal comes around. And then they drop the hammer that he is a full on psycho.
Manafactariq y
Plot twist, the speaker has schizophrenia and Tony is a imagined character.
hahaha
Lol😂
*an
😂😂😂😂😂
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Danny?
"But the grey area is where you find the complexity. It's where you find the humanity, and it's where you find the truth." That's a beautiful quote, and I've felt that, believed that, my whole life. That quote, that realization, is a gem.
"He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas." I also like that one because it too is very true.
If anyone's wondering why there's so many gray zones between mental disorders and mental health/sanity:
Mental disorders are defined as overly-strong reactions to situations. A 'normal' person would react to an awkward situation with discomfort, while someone with anxiety or panic disorder might fall into a panic attack. Both react strongly to the same situation but one of them acts in a very unhealthy way.
You declare behaviour a mental disorder when it becomes a nuisance or risk to the person in question or the people around them, to the point where their day-to-day life is disrupted or they're putting themselves or others in danger.
That's also why he could identify with so many things in the book in the beginning! And that's why everyone's a little psychopathic. Everyone gets in the same situations, but some people react so strongly that it actively influences and hinders their life.
(I missed that in the presentation so I'm just gonna throw this out there)
Yuno As someone who has been a psychiatric patient for years, I can tell you that the reason there are so many grey areas in psychiatry is that many diagnoses share similar symptoms, and most mentally healthy people find parts of themselves in mental health diagnoses. For example, I have not been diagnosed as I a psychopath, but I do feel grandiose at times when I'm manic. Also, mental health professionals don't make diagnoses solely based on a patient's behavior; they make them based on ALL of a patient's symptoms.
Yuno because there is not yet a single way to peek in to the human soul and their mind. if someday we have, it will be the end of our humanity. that is the truth of the saying "every (wo)men is an island"
Yuno wrong
Yuno That is grossly incorrect. A mental illness is a chemical imbalance in various parts of the brain that manifest themselves through abnormal behavioral patterns, thought patterns, and moods. Oh, and you react not to a situation, but to your thoughts about it.
Yuno And, I don't think you understand exactly what psychopathy is. Psychopathy is Antisocial Personality Disorder, antisocial meaning "against society." They don't form emotional bonds, they are very manipulative, they thrive on control, and they will do everything they can to get/maintain it. They are the people who would throw a fat guy in front of a train to stop it.
Only a psychopath would have the background music that high while giving such a presentation.
He's deranged.
It was intentional for an entertainment presentation. Context ma dude
@@thatsweetlilthing2 I find nothing entertaining in the suffering of others. [Insert rape joke] 😀
@@thatsweetlilthing2 I guess he got the "E" part of TED right, then.
It seems to create a lovely grandios effect.
“And I didn’t go” somehow that hurts so much
Milliene Xu why didn't he go?
Even Tony just semi psychopaths, but he was sent to prison and then to hospital for beaten an in a bar, who want to risk his own life to meet tony in a bar?
The suggestion, I think, is that he might be a "semi-psychopath" himself.
Milliene Xu well you know those Brave journalists
my guess is that he no longer had a purpose to see Tony anymore so keeping contact with him would do more harm than good. typical exploit and discard strat.
My main takeaway is that adding music to TED talks is a bad idea.
For real, this better not become a whole thing
OH NO
THERE ARE SOUND EFFECTS
This is like the TED Talk equivalent of the guy at the comedy open mic with an enormous box of props.
I was waiting for him to say he was actually Tony
Same but that wouldn't have made sense.
wouldve made him seems insane talking in third person and writing a book about being a psycopath from a different point of view
That's how the M. Night Shyamalan version ends.
SAME LMAO
JayPG that would have been great!
4 out of the 5 voices in my head liked this video.
Brilliant.
The four walls in my room said I should watch this, the roof told me not to. I don't think I trust my roof anymore.
Stephanie Logan "Selective Mute"
Stephanie Logan There is no "We" in Bacon.
Auspicious Legend Sorry but, I don't watch "TED" as a rule. Can't really comment on past videos. I have a life and TH-cam is for when I can't sleep.
"We're going to introduce you to Tony."
"Who's Tony?"
"You know... the bell boy from Jessie"
REEEEEEEEEEE
One of the issues with this is that being a psychopath is not in and of itself something that a person should be institutionalized for.
It doesn’t make someone a killer, it doesn’t mean they’re violent or dangerous. It’s also an inherent trait that cannot be “cured.”
Institutionalizing a person because they’re a psychopath is actually kind of messed up.
@Guitarzen I agree it’s not a good thing- there’s a reason it’s a diagnosis and not just a character trait. About 1% of the U.S. population has psychopathy.
That being said- your list of traits is partially incorrect. What was described in this video is a set of traits associated with Psychopathy, but the DSM defines it as being “callously unemotional.” This can result in a diverse set of other traits and issues, however, things like cruelty or violence are not guaranteed. Psychopathy is considered a risk factor for violence, but it is ONLY a risk factor.
My point is that people should be institutionalized only when their mental illness has gone beyond their ability to manage it in such a way that endangers their life or the lives of those around them. To presume that simply because someone showed traits of psychopathy is as messed up as institutionalizing someone simply because they are bipolar.
Finally someone actually gets it. Bizarre to me that most people seem to be lacking critical thinking skills to be able to understand this. I do not have psychopathy myself, but find it sad that the world is convinced that psychopath = 100% evil. I can’t even imagine how stigmatized those diagnosed feel on a daily basis. I have loads of empathy for that. People fail to understand that it is a disorder (a rare one at that) and not an inherent moral failing. You can’t help the way in which your brain is from birth. It simply is the way it is.
“Psychopathic” some might say!
The absolute best Ted Talk I've ever heard. "He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas. But the gray areas are where you find the complexity." The majority of societal problems has to do with the many labels and stereotypes places upon things. If those left, we would be a lot better off.
In some cases you would be right...in others, many of us would be wandering lost in a fog looking for someone to lead us.
Reality is everything is sjhades of grey. Not black and white
I wonder how many find this confidence in diagnosis and prescription to be ironically simplistic...
That's why I'm anti LGBT
He has several very interesting books, he mingles with extremists, for example, to understand their point, which I respect greatly
The saddest part is at the end when he didn’t go to the bar. I feel bad for Tony.
Yes essentially making him victim to value judgement yet again & thus dehumanised.
2019 october squad
Elizabeth Segundo when you consider the multiple instances in bars he got in trouble for... i wouldn’t meet him at a bar either
Tony deserved better you psychopath!
Dustin Hehmann tony is quite literally a psychopath.
This talk has been recommended to me since 2012. I watch it today, 26th of August 2020. I give up, algorithm. You're an excellent pesterer.
@The One wut
Huh..
That's my sisters birthday:)
@@FreddieFatFingers thanks, I'll give her a call on August 26, 2021 at 4:20am to tell her happy birthday.
@@TasX You do that.
Unreal will
I read Jon's book years ago and enjoyed it very much. A fascinating subject in which I was interested. Further research into Psychopathy showed a scary world in which these folks walk among us and have absolutely no empathy for other people. I've known them socially as well as in business and they are frightening. Much better to avoid them whenever possible.
“15 of you are psycho-paths” *small woo’s in background* I think I found them.
That's not something a psychopath would do.
I know, most psychopaths don’t know if the are psycho’s.
@@stefanfyhn4668 thats something a psychopath would say
@@meinctutw8261 I'm a Cynic, that's different 😝
@@stefanfyhn4668 thats not something a cynic would say
"Grandiose sense of self... which would be hard for him to deny because he was standing under a giant oil painting of himself" 😂😂😂
Plus he was a Leo.. so 🤷🏻♂️
@@jackmac2226 hey >:(
@@jackmac2226 Astrology is meaningless
@@Pepechu How long have you studied it?
I dont need to google a random biased experiment. I've studied cosmic correlation theories for 25+ years. You're basing your opinion on someone else's findings. It's an esoteric science that has been around for several thousand years and unfortunately for the less erudite of the subject became muddied through the simplification and popularizaton of sun sign or "star" sign horoscopes in Germany prior to WW1
I was looking for the strange answers to the psychopath test.
Me too. Very disappointed, not what I came for, 1/10.
kilroy987 me too
I expected it, but wasn't disappointed!
" Everyone's a bit psychopathic "
especially Sherlock and Hannibal fans
If you're watching this video and feeling like you're at the end of your rope, please know that you're not alone. It's okay to reach out for help, whether that's through therapy, medication, or just talking to a friend. It can be a long and difficult journey, but there is hope and healing on the other side. Thank you to the creator for sharing their story and shedding light on this important topic.
This is such an important video highlighting the importance of discussing mental health and overcoming the stigma associated with depression and anxiety. For those who may be struggling, it's essential to know that there are resources and support available. You may want to check out @Dr.healingstrain, a mycologist who uses mushrooms to help people overcome depression and anxiety. They provide valuable information and support for those dealing with mental health challenges, and their work is worth exploring.
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Depression is feeling down but having no control over your body. You continue to smile on autopilot but deep down you are screaming in constant torment.
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"He is a gray area in a World that doesn't like gray areas" --> so true. Everything must be either black or white...
And ironically, that's typical of people with bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder -- thinking in terms of black and white :/
@@CFav7 I have BPD with high functioning bi-polar. Unsure about anyone else, but I could see the black and white thing true for many of us, but now I dont mind that I'm supposedly in this gray area. To me that is like being centred; black and white, right and wrong, good and evil: we all experience these things, but woudl never know one from the other if we didnt see both sides.
how about asians?
@Uğur Kaan Komanlı everything is about race now
@@dannykeuerleber7419 Yeah I can do a 100m pretty fast
disappointing to NOT see Ted at one of his own talks once again. This guy seriously needs to step up his game
I blame Mark Wahlberg.
Whi's Ted?
Ikr, you know I just realized I don't even know what Ted looks like! Lazy git.
Fuckin Ted been ducking me since the first ted talk.
Ted's a bit of an introvert. Has he even done one of these talks of his?
I don't see what the all fuss about cycle paths are.
Thankyou Miss Emily Litella...Never Mind.
😂
IKR? let people cycle.
Nobody uses them, they ride in the damn road and clog up traffic
Ugh people these days don’t care about others. 🙄 Why is the cycle paths such a problem?
A mentally ill ex friend of mine once screamed at me for being happy to find out I was autistic. He was upset with the idea of labels, I was explaining to him that my whole life was hindered by my inability to understand why I was so different from others. I didn’t understand why I functioned differently, thought, and felt differently. When I found out I was autistic it changed my life. I was able to accept myself and fully understand myself and begin to understand others. I functioned better in life, I socialized better, and I finally went to college. He screamed “your a Pisces! That’s all there is!” But my friend was too far gone in his illness to realize that he was upset with himself for being ill. I had to stop talking to him for my own health. My point in telling this small story is that sometimes the labels can help you understand and overcome what your going through, and you don’t have to be bound by them.
Exactly. I have ADHD. No question about it. I found out at 22 and it really put a lot into perspective. I always described myself as lazy, stupid, burnout. Turns out I have a mind that requires constant stimulation. I am doing better now. I am none of those things I thought I was. I am nicer to myself. I am less anxious and resentful and outwardly upset since I figured out what was wrong. I'm doing more to grow as a person now. The ADHD isn't going to define me, but the label helped me.
Thanks for sharing. The labels can be harmful or useful. It's best we all reflect on them.
@@hobosnake1 me too, thank you for writing your experience :)
Wow. This is what TED is about: smart, funny, intelligent and gives you so much to think of and make a decision for yourself.
Not always. Some Ted talks are utter trash.
Paraphrasing eiepsrola,
" A book with a list of mental 374 disorders, find a person that has none and watch as it goes to 375 "
#IllegalisePsychology
I read a story once about four women that caught Tyfoid fever in the last part of the 1800s and because there wasn’t a cure at the time these four women had to be kept isolated 24/7 and even fed through a hatch , the only place they could keep them was in a mental asylum and eventually a cure was found but because they had been isolated in a mental hospital for 40 years they couldn’t be released because the time had actually sent them insane, the big lesson was if four perfectly sane women are turned insane from being in the hospital then how could it possibly cure an actual insane person
Why would you need to keep someone locked up for 40 years to cure typhoid fever?
Wow, a case from 1800...that's almost the stone age when it comes to medicine and healthcare.
You're digging really deep there.
Not all asylums are meant to cure, I think. Many are meant to hold onto dangerous crazy people who can’t be cured.
If you can’t spell typhoid fever...you guessed it! Psychopath.
This is Typhoid Mary yeah?
I was hospitalised for saying I had thought about overdosing on pills. I hadn’t acted out on anything I was at a really low point, so it became easy to say what was on my mind. I was only there for a week, but I was put on really heavy medications. They made it difficult for me to function and I gained a lot of weight. I have lost most of it and am on less medication now. I find it ironic because, I said I wanted to overdose with pills and they respond with here have more.
Aye. 👌👍🕯
I’m glad that no one knows my issues.
Eating disorders, major depression, anxiety, self harm, suicidal thoughts
35 times of staring at pills, loaded gun, razors...
I’ve been like this for 5 years
I told my mom that I wanted to see a doctor for 5 times but she said she was not gonna take me to a doctor because she didn’t want to give me those pills.
Black and Black It's not a clear cut between good and evil, seeing a competent doctor is more likely to be helpful than harmful
uhhh that's what he's saying
That's...not how you deal with those kinds of emotional problems, people.
Come on people stop being so afraid of dealing with emotional problems that you throw pills at them hoping they work.
You can't throw medication at every mental problem and hope it works;
that's not how emotions work. You can't cure sadness with a pill, can you?
A child is emotionally hurt due to being abandoned by their parents and so believing they are a disappointment.
Do you give them medication in hopes that it will make them stop believing that?
No, they need to learn that they aren't a disappointment and that they are loved; how would medication teach them that?
In fact, they may think something is wrong with them due to the medication and when it doesn't work blame themselves, making the problem worse.
Medication cannot solve everything;
we need to learn to stop being afraid of other people's emotions and try to fix them rather than ignoring them and hoping it gets solved on it's own or throwing medication at them to do all the work.
If someone were to approach you claiming they wanted to end their life,
do you give them pills and hope that does the trick?
NO. You talk to them, get them help, convince them that they had reasons to live, etc.
You don't just give them a pill and leave it at that.
If you were that person, wouldn't that make you feel like you really weren't important or cared for when you got put aside like that?
Wouldn't that than just convince you that you really should end your life if your cries for help were tossed to the side with some medication?
What if you were struggling for survival alone and you went up to someone, and all they did was give you supplies and then leave you too it? That's essentially what handing someone who needs help medication is. Yes, medication can help, but it is not the solution and if it is used, it should be used along with other methods.
As over-quoted, as he is, the story reminded me of this “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”-Marcus Aurelius
Faking Madness for fun is what a pshycopath would do.
Faking Madness to avoid going to the jail is literally what any sane person would do.
But normal people tend to be bad at faking madness. In my own opinion, one has to be a psychopath to be able to act out different personality traits to different people under different circumstances.
@@babatundeojerinde he says he has read books and such. Any people could fake it with some help
Babatunde Ojerinde don’t be silly, anyone could have a latent talent for acting and pathos, regardless of where they fall on the psychopathy spectrum. Unless you believe every broadway and Hollywood actor is a psychopath?
In my experience, psychopathic kids tend to be diametrically opposed to the ones that call themselves “theatre kids”
most sane people would probably try to stay out of jail
@@shalinisathi6526 haha yeah but no one is 100% sane
Background music could've been turned down a bit.
But is wasn't.
@@aihibara510 Yet, it should have been.........
Really distracting. Are people's attention spans so affected now they can't sit through a 20min talk without music and visuals?!
@@homosexualpanic It's not about attention spans.. it's about over doing it. The music and visuals were too much and overbearing to the actual lecture taking place. If that wasn't true for you.. awesome glad you enjoyed it.
@@homosexualpanic yes. There's a lot going on with this video. Trying to concentrate on what the speaker is saying is hard. It would be respectful to the speaker if the music were turned down so the audience has his full attention.
When I was four my mother took me to a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with split personality disorder and bipolar depression. Why? Becuase I was sad I was stuck in side on a sunny day when I was four and started talking to my imaginary friend. I was medicated until I was 14 when I stopped taking my.meds. this same psychiatrist told my mom that whenever the drugs they had me on would cuase me to flip out and loose my shot that she should wrap me in a blanket and either throw me in the closet and lock the door or sit on me. My mother was 340 pounds and I was a 40 point 5 year old when this happened. I dont have split personality disorder and never did. But now when I apply for government jobs they tell me no. I dont have bipolar depression. I get sad when I dont get to do the things I want to do. I havent had a pill or seen I psychrist since I was 14. I am 25 and am a normal funchoning member of soceity. The only mental disorder I legitimately have is ironicly the only disorder they didnt try to clai. I had. Dyslexia. Why becuase there is no drug they can give you that fixes dyslexia.
I'm conclusion psychiatrists are monsters.
Not all psychiatrists are monsters, but the system rewards a lot of psychiatrists for misdiagnosing. Because chemists have a vested interest in selling meds, 15 minutes on therapy and and a prescription for a drug is 2/3ds as much money than an hour of therapy, so many therapists make sure they sell as much medication as possible. Maybe see a clinical psychologist instead?
Interesting story... Terrible conclusion.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. You should not have been put through that nightmare for having an imagination and expressing yourself as a small child. Small children should never ever ever be put on psychotropic medication. It's laziness on the medico's part and ignorance on your mother's part. I wish you happiness and comfort.
In conclusion YOUR psychiatrist is/was a monster
o my god that’s horrible for your mother to do also a horrible psychologist they need to be sued
My consultant once sat me down to just talk about the reasoning of medicine - amazing clinician; works as an oncologist but ran the spectrum of knowledge from philosophy to psychology to clinical medicine. As we were talking about diagostic reasoning he laughed (very kindly) about some of my attempts at trying to breakdown symptoms and diseases.
"When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." He'd say.
He retired this year and I don't get to see him much anymore. But I think that's the point this video tries to make. Clinical medicine is deeply complex and we try our best to box things up because patterns emerge in random events but individual events are inherently random. The DSM and Psychology isn't witchcraft and white coat doctors trying to label everything they can - and it's worth remembering that the reason that DSM grows isn't to try and label everything as abnormal; but to try and tease out the complexity and nuace of what is abnormal and try and sift through the wheat from the chaf. Physicians are fully aware of the pitfalls - that's why the training to become a psychiatrist takes so long. It's not about memorising the DSM - it's about understanding the grey zones where most people lie.
The only sane comment in this section
Idk why but I was thinking "This could be a great movie."
gmmg ABSOUTELY OMG
mindhunter on netflix is pretty much on the same lines as this, and it's really good.
Same thought ...Option this now! Who do we cast as Tony?
its pretty freaking good book
They did make a movie about this - called "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."
Him, “Wait you’re a psychopath.”
Tony- “Always have been”
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@@heyahowareyou5971 Hahaha
I was the 1000th like on this comment 😂 wow, paying attention to such detail makes me think if I'm showing any of the traits. Just kidding 😂
His speaking voice is wonderful . Accents are attractive but his humble way of standing in front of audience also good !
I got hard listening.
He’s trying to manipulate you into thinking he’s humble, classic psychopath behavior
@@tjm. uh
Melanie Celaya 🤣 fishing attempt for likes clearly failed.
@@tjm. maybe next time
My mothers friends child was diagnosed with autism when he was 6. He didn't respond as a normal child when he was spoken to. Always kept to himself and didn't speak for the most part.
Once, when they came to us, my mother was gentle with that kid. As she always is, she started to pet him, was gentle and cheerful. Called him by his name and spoke to him as if he was a normal child. She noticed that the child reacted to her words and looked at her in a focused manner. I don't really know how she persuaded those parents, but they stoped the treatment. Started to spend more time with that kid. Found a child psychologist that helped them find mutual language with one another.
That child is 13 now. He is fine. Going to a normal school, having friends, normal life.
I have a couple of stories like that in my family where believing doctors ment hurting yourself/relative. The lesson for me from all of these stories is this - doctors are not you friends, not authority figures that you follow unquestionably. They are tools to fix the problem. You decide wether to use them or not.
I could listen to this man tell stories forever
I would be sitting next to you.
You need a steady boyfriend.
He has great audio books
Hey Daisy how cute are you? I will read you stories from him or just come over and press play for us to watch 😉
Paraphrasing eiepsrola,
" A book with a list of mental 374 disorders, find a person that has none and watch as it goes to 375 "
#IllegalisePsychology
surprised the checklist didn't have "stands in a dimly lit room with two very bald men behind him in the shadows"
Nah, he just left that out because then it'd be too obvious /s
@@zhou_sei gets strangers to pay him to stand in dimly lit room and tell them about how much definitively he isn't a psychopath, he's just very preoccupied with thinking and talking about psychopaths
14 years in a nut house would damage anyone, sane or not.
That's a long time to nut
Don't ever move to Finland.
@@AbominableHuman It was more of an ironic statement ..so, i wasn't really thinking you were planning on it. Just saying that Finland feels like a nuthouse most of the time these days..then again, most of the world seems like one, also.
I would kill myself seriously.
@@AbominableHuman D'aw, you just had to ruin it by being a fucking idiot.
Your talk was absolutely fascinating. I agree that psychologists and psychiatrists over label people, me included. I was and still do experience clinical depression, but one psychiatrist that would only see me via video chat and had a heavy Indian accent was bent on labeling me as bipolar, which I am obviously not and had been seeing doctors for years and showed absolutely no signs of bipolar disorder. I told her she was crazy and asked for a different doc. She was totally demeaning and refused to transfer me to a different psych doc. I had to find a different clinic and start all over. These docs are megelomaniacs at times and do more harm than good and if a patient is weak willed can be harmed irrevocably by them and the medication they prescribe. I dodged a bullet I believe.
Exactly - people need to be aware that it's not abnormal nor suspicious to try a different Doctor, for any reason. There are pressures/madates to hire certain people that would otherwise never be considered. Some are blatantly incompetent, some are intolerably smug and dismissive, etc. It's a demoralizing experience with bad treatment, but, there's also good Doctors out there who are intelligent and actually care about your outcome.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I've had similar experiences and it's so frustrating.
On a separate note, it would be a kindness to remove the reference to the doctor's accent since many people with accents are made to feel ashamed for them. Unfortunately, I know firsthand that clinicians from every kind of background can exhibit the kind of bias you experienced. : - (
darn.. I hoped so badly that he would say that he was actually Tony.. that would be an awesome plottwist..
He's John...
or is he?
+Khaleel Rahman
No. He is Jon
scwfan08 Damn
+scwfan08 OR IS HE
I was thinking that too!
This guy did a great job, he kept my interest all the way until the end
I was waiting at the end for the I AM TONY
pLOT TWIST
Badass
And everyone would descent into long awkward silence
Haha, same.
fight club
I do feel the most harmful and frequent form of psychopathy is the need to pigeonhole others. They say psychopathy is on a spectrum like most disorders that effect humans but “professionals” often play the flagging game because of one tiny detail of a person that may happen to find its way into conversation and fit the bill. Psychological evaluation for any disorder can verge on being criminalising in this day and age as it is done belligerently and even atrociously.
Psychological evaluation like at a mental hospital? Or a different context?
@@hannahmiller5515
Well I think that it was Alan Watts that pointed out ages ago, people are being encouraged to psychoanalyse themselves and each other. I think the emphasis on mental health disorders in society has become unhealthy and considering Carl Jung’s theory on psychological viruses it could even be suggesting and driving mental health problems. Mental health problems definitely meant a lack of credibility just decades ago and it still lingers as a nuance because we’re humans and it takes generations for an attitude to actually dissipate.
I was half expecting him to reveal that Tony had multiple personalities and one of them was Jon.
That would have been completly crazy,my god i can literally picture that scene in front of my eyes
Could be a book or a movie
I was waiting for the climax ending that Tony had committed murder or something else as bad and was proven psycopathic after all. Bit of a let down. Maybe the story behind the story is the real story.
Damn! That would have been epic, Katz. Better then The Usual Suspect movie.
As interesting as that would've been, multiple personalities don't really exist. They just pop up a lot in fiction because it makes for a compelling story.
A grey area in a world that doesn't like grey areas. So true.
The world sure liked 50 shades of grey
The world LOVES grey areas. People love grey areas so much it's become the excuse of choice to ignore the true black and white nature of the world. Everything is black and white. The people telling you otherwise are trying to cheat you.
daemonCaptrix
Eh? I disagree with that in the way you put it. If everything is varying degrees of black and white them each is a different shade of gray
knes167 - There are degrees of how acceptable something is based on how much it helps or hurts. But don't confuse that with the action itself having degrees of black and white. Whether you accept something or choose to do something about it is your opinion. It's not part of the nature of the action you're responding to. Things are either 100% good and 0% evil, or 100% evil and 0% good, or 0% both.
Also, just because each situation has different actions which may be good or evil, that doesn't mean the actions themselves are partially good and partially evil. Bad people want to confuse you into thinking that so they can get away with murder, but it's not true.
daemonCaptrix
Polarizing things is flawed imo, it just leads to hyprocisy. For example murder is wrong and would make you a criminal, but killing someone like a serial killer or terrorist would make you a hero with the same action.
Good and evil are honestly just subjective depending on the environment you (grow up) develop in. Depending on the town/country the parameters of good and evil change, that proves its not concrete as we'd like to believe
"Can I buy you a drink in a bar?"
Only if you promise not to start a fight with me and end up in jail another month.
BlackManiaGaming Hi
BlackManiaGaming "No, I won't have the drink with you bc I suffer from generalized anxiety disorder and dude you're kinda making me feel anxious!" Lol
He TOTALLY should've had the drink with Tony imo. For a thousand really good reasons in favor, which one or two reasons against the idea could never gain validity over. If I was this guy, I'd do everything I can to find Tony and have the meet up. My situation had contributed to me losing touch with tons of people and connections in my life, and it SUCKS to let that happen! EVER.
U from Ireland or Scottland? :D
Boring www.
XD
Not a psychologist, but a lawyer who works with the public across all of it, it’s understandable that humans try to frame things in patterns that are convenient or feel safe. The reality is that everyone is a unique individual. Applying names and characterizations may help us discuss the patterns, but it doesn’t help individuals much. Best to take each person as a unique individual, including in therapy and in law.
I think he's missing the overall reason for the DSM. Everybody experiences most symptoms on most diagnosis, but it's when it's severely impacting your life, it's disabling you from behaving how you want to/know/should behave leading into problems such as depression. The problem with this dude is that he's a proud to be a psychopath, that's fine, he clearly didn't want to change, he seemed content. This talk seems to dismiss the DSM as a valid and helpful medical tool. I get his point, that the world isn't so black and white. This is why the DSM is for medical students/staff only. Because everyday people read it like a horoscope, which it's not meant to be read as. And if you speak to a professional, not a journalist. They will tell you that most of these disorders come on a spectrum. Which is why everyone experiences some of the symptoms listed. It's whether it affects your daily life in areas like work, relationships and personal life over months or longer, is when people seek medical help. Not when they've only had a bad week.
Or it could help their victims run away from them, or learn how to deal with them. Very nice comment.
That's very logical and kind of disbarrs the whole Ted talk lol
This should be seen by everyone
Therapy is fake trash and isn't science at all
Thank you Kita. I think the speaker had a vested interest in tearing down the DSM. If it is proven wrong through his argument, then he isn't mentally compromised.
If the DSM has validity, then he has a diagnosable disorder.
Man, poor Tony is probably really bummed that he thought he had a friend and then got rejected because someone STILL thinks he’s a semi-psychopath
Umm, did you miss the fact that Tony had recently gone to mainstream jail for being involved in a brawl in a bar? Psychopath or not it's called logical deduction.
Man, at conclusion he said thats everyone is a psychopath, by not going to bar with him, he just confirmed his psychopath reputation, understand now?
I think you can both wish that someone is not locked up and also wish not to be his friend... While everyone has a gray area in their personality, they also have a gray area (or a spectrum) of how much they tolerate others
Or is Tony one of the supposed sound guys wanting to stay anonymous, but agreeing to go on stage?
The man being on a spectrum was just a half of the decision. Tony got in jail twice for brawls in bars. The invitation was for a drink in a bar. I think there is a pattern emerging.
Don’t mind this comment: I’m just writing down some time code I’ll have to use for a school presentation:
Tony’s story : 2:24
Tony sane-looking outfit : 4:21
Convince you’re sane : 5:56
"sitting like a journalist" : 6:35
Statistics: 8:50
Capitalism : 9:25
AI Dunlap’s grand Florida mansion: 10:52
Dunlap psychopath checklist : 12:19
Journalist defining by the maddest edges: 13:49
Everyone is a bit psychopathic : 15:46
Gray area : 16:54
Actually thank u, that will help me too in the very near future
sounds like it’d be a really good presentation. i’d be entertained the whole time if i was hearing this story for the first time in class.
Al Dunlap prob needs that mansion to affirm he is smarter than the rest of the world. A psychopath needs nothing to convince themselves they are smarter than the rest of the world. Oil painting too.
How did the presentation go?
was it a school presentation? hope you got a good grade 😊
Well, since 7th grade everyone has been jokingly calling me psycho, nickname stuck with me for nearly 20 years. Until life brought me at the wrong place the wrong time. Long story short, i had to get psychiatric evaluations which went horribly wrong. Even started doubting myself. It is indeed a lot harder to convince people you are sane
Brilliant speaker, loved how he used his quirky personality to his advantage. And as all good ted talks, it makes you think :)
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE ANNE, HE WAS JUST ASKING TO BUY YOU A DRINK
+Alex Gomez what
+Palo o did you not watch till the end?
+Matthew SomethingOrOther ...no
+Palo o the (possibly) crazy guy wanted to have drinks with him at a bar. He didn't show up. He was asking Anne if she would have shown up or not.
I usually don't sit through TedTalks, but this guy is so funny and charming.... omg wait.....
lol
LOL! I was just thinking that too. He's so self-deprecating and funny, it makes you put your guard down and trust him. He would have made an awesome psychopath! 😉
*CUNNING, MANIPULATIVE*
you dumb nuts did you understand the message of the video
Noe Kahn They were joking.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
True
*I'm holding my hammer but where's the nail?*
@@valdbagina2273 look at your hands
@@valdbagina2273 just that its not a good idea to hit those nails
I actually feel that on like a cosmic level
“The grey area is where you find the complexity, the humanity” - I absolutely love that because it’s so true, robots can only follow the straight lines they can only make boxes and sort, they can only make marks on the checklist. They can’t evaluate the emotion because they can’t relate to it, bots don’t understand the inner complexities of humans because we don’t understand them ourselves and computers are only as capable as the programmer who made them.
And that’s so beautiful, because even when we think we’re simple being with not much going on there’s always so much more going on underneath our perception and we never lose that! Ah so cool! Thank you!!
" i don't want to be around murderers and psychopaths" -> "you sir, are a monster and obviously sick, you lack empathy"
It's not lack of empathy for humans to naturally fear what they don't understand
@@Kazza_8240 that's the point
Thought provoking. We as humans do rush to put people in boxes, and we are all a bit odd.
You sound like you belong in a box.
@@lanmandragoran8337 *that escelated quickly*
@@rorogogos Its an onion in alaska. I imagine it would be near all its mates.
Us & Them / Goodies & Baddies
(We like to craft people into actors for our own personal psycho-dramas)
We are unique assemblies of common parts. YOU, may be a unique snowflake, but the properties of water and freezing are common to all snowflakes (and NO, I'm not using it in that derogatory manner which has become popular in recent times). When we look at the common parts we can explain quite easily why people do certain things in certain ways. How they are arranged may be a complex pattern that could have very unusual or subtle features, but we are rarely random and rarely have no cause.
Psychiatry isn't about putting people in boxes, its understanding the boxes they are made of.
Psychopathy is locking a man in a building with serial killers for 12 years and then expecting him to be perfectly fine.
It's a lot like tossing someone into a cesspit and then complaining that they smell bad.
And delusional is thinking a psychiatric hospital will be better than a jail. I know a lot of people go on about how sending people to them instead of jails is being soft on crime, but I've known a few federal penitentiary guards & nurses who also worked in psychiatric incarceration, and the pen is where you go to destress after working in psych. Mind you, I'm not sure what the moral is beyond not to make important life decisions when you're a juvie in remand.
i'll go along with that; plus, questions... many questions
tossing a man in a building with serial killers and expecting that man to not change is stupidity, not psychopathy.
youre dumb
@@jeffreyquinn3820 If people had access to mental health care to begin with, maybe the criminal justice system would not be their first opportunity to get help from a mental health professional.