@@stewdog7787 the whole song is based on something silly and individual said him, and he makes it as if that person represents a whole. Around 3:00 Tim, "...because I haven't yet been offered enough evidence to allow my doubts. And he said, You just don't go through your whole life only believing things for which you have evidence. And I said Yeah." Now, the topic is God. Tim makes it clear there's not enough evidence for proof in God. The person he draws his whole stupid song is a fool. Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. I'll cover Tim's hypocrisy in a different comment.
@@2fast2block I'm sorry. You were right. Thank you for all the pathetic attempts to start some conflict that anyone actually took seriously in every single positive comment on this video. Watching you call everyone you could a dumbass has changed my perspective immencley I have seen the errors in my ways and am deleting all my previous comments as I no longer stand by them. Once agen, thank you for your brave holy crusade into the battlegrounds that is this videos comment secshion In order to spread your wisdom to all willing to listen. This has been an enlightening and lifechanging experience.
@@billiefarmer1492 wow, your knowledge against what I said had so much detail all in two letters. It really shows how much you know in "no", not much at all.
My mom had a stroke last September that paralyzed half of her body. My dad and all of their church prayed for months for her recovery. She refused to take her medications because God was going to heal her. She had another stroke in January that led to permanent brain damage, leaving her in a hospital bed in her living room, all the while my dad prayed for God to intercede. She passed away three weeks ago after going into a coma for a weekend. If only she had an eye problem God could have healed her like he did Sam’s mom.
@@fezzik7619 or, and hear me out, it might be that people have a sense of humor and understand sarcasm. It might be one or the other. By the way, loved your snarky remark :D
@@ruialmeida818 Could be. Could be. But one must always be careful because so many of these freaky deaky folks live amongst us and they can come off quite normal until they go into their little houses of worship for Jeez-its and wine!
@@fezzik7619 Either way, this comment was intended for those who understand the joke. People can interpret it it however they want, it’s not like they were going to change their opinions anyway over one comment. Just makes it funnier for us if some people actually took it seriously.
cured my moms a few times too. not sure why god keeps givin that ism back to her but suppose its not my place to question. wonderfully effective isnt the omnipotent
Hes not wrong. I remember reading some words written by a surgeon. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that after spending 4 years pre graduate, 3 years post graduate and 4 years specialising: every successful, life saving/changing operations, the family would thank the Lord, but God forbid (pun intended) anything went wrong, then God played no part in that. That was all on the highly trained surgeon
Lol if I was surgeon I'd tell the family they're mistaken... "God gave them the condition to test them and you brought them here to me to subvert God's plans and remove this condition set by God... Family... What we did here is the Devil's work and you should be thanking him instead". Of course religious people are delusional and hypocritical, so they'll just deny that and choose whatever the scenario best suits them.
Yes sir/ maam. Religion does do that. But have you read the example of Job which is presented in the Bible as how to react to loss? How about the fact that Jesus willingly allowed himself to be executed in the worst possible way? Study it if you have the bravery and honesty to really see and understand what was done.... I dare you to watch the Passion of the Christ and see a small portion of what God did to settle the debt of OUR sin. P.S. it is supported historically by " non believers"
I have only watched a few videos of Tim's and he's freaking amazing, but to see him perform his unique songs with an entire orchestra is truly impressive!
This guy spent countless hours writing, composing, practicing and performing a song with a full orchestra to tell Sam he's a colossal fuckwit. This, ladies and gentlemen is the definition of amazing.
And sexy as hell. I'm 100% straight sexually but honestly; using an entire orchestra to deliver a burn of this savagery-level is just sexy as fuck. If a girl would have a shot at seducing me it would be a performance with this god-like level of legendary cynicism.
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful people like Tim, who remind me that although I strive to be the biggest dickhead, and smartest dickhead I can be, there's always an effeminate looking ginger who's smarter and funnier than me out there. In his case, way funnier and way smarter.
Tim Minchin is amazing as always, but can we all appreciate how FUCKING BANGING the orchestra is. Those horns and strings moved the song from a snarky, clever ditty to a fucking epic.
Prayer does work. When I was six years old, I prayed to god to make all future prayers made by anyone for any reason to go willfully unanswered. I am currently forty five years of age and god has not yet faulted on my first and last prayer. However, it's far more likely that the first person on Earth to ever pray to him...prayed the same prayer as I did... willfully negating my prayer as well.
Well, prayer does work actually. You can try it yourself. When you are hung over the next time, take two Aspirin and pray for your headache to go away. You´ll see, it works.
When I was a kid I prayed to God for a new bicycle until I realized that God doesn't work like that. So I stole the bike and asked him to forgive me. Emo Phillips.
Paul TheSkeptic Yeah, like those pastors / ministers always said: God helps those who help themselves... Well, you could translate this sentence perfectly to: Help yourself or noone is gonna help you. I always wonder how christian religion could possibly get away for 2000 years with an absolutely inactive god, especially when their holy book depicts a god that interacted with man on a regular basis. Noone ever wanted to know why this god stopped interacting as soon as the book was finished?
that last line "if you get that right, then he just might take a break from giving babies malaria, and pop down to your local area to fix the cataracts of your mom" is perfect in every way.
Wow, so you know things and seek truth. Come on, you're a tiny brain like Tim who hates truth. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
There was a time I just couldn't get enough of that line and I would listen to it over and over again. I love the rhyming and grooviness and how it ties the whole song together. I'm just very happy that Tim makes music.
@FiniteAutomaton looks like I have to tell you, you gave NO evidence to prove biblical faith is not what I wrote, nor how you got a natural creation. You are not very clever.
I was raised Southern Baptist in the American South. When I deconstructed my faith and became an atheist it really upset a lot of my Christian friends. They would ask me questions that, although annoying, were sincere and I was happy, or perhaps more accurately "obliged" to answer them. I was once asked if I didn't miss the wonderful feeling that Christians get when listening to "praise music". I tell them that I have music that gives me those feelings as an atheist and then I point them to this video. This is atheist praise music of the highest quality!
@@gorb_oron Reading the Bible, studying science and being immersed and marinated in Christofascism growing up in Mississippi drove me out of the Christian faith. Once that happened and I felt liberated and free to form my own mind, I discovered that atheism was the best fit for me.
@@gorb_oron I don't know. All I can say is that I've seen no demonstrable, measurable evidence that would meet minimal scientific standards, presented to lead me to believe that there is an intelligent "higher power" that creates or controls or destroys with intention. I do believe in time, energy, mass and the laws of nature that regulate their interactions. I could see that there could be a natural law of karma as of yet undiscovered but I have to be as agnostic about that as I am about gods until more repeatable and measurable scientific evidence is discovered and presented.
@@NYsummertimeCHI Kinda impressive that @Dan ofDunolly reinforced your point before you made it. Though your definition is kind of centered on celebrity stalking, rather than the kind that's most common - being stalked by someone you know, who you probably have had to reject several times. But I would agree that's closer to the type Tim is invoking in that lyric. But talk about an excellent example of how language around matters of consent is very important, and when we as a society use language that supports the predator more than the victim, it's only making things worse. Because, while I'm sure Dan was being sarcastic in saying stalking is proof of unrequited love, that's genuinely what some people would argue is linguistically correct. But they'd be wrong. Evidence of unrequited love is when the claim of love is made and the other person rejects it or otherwise makes clear that it's not returned - or in the case of celeb or distance stalking, the evidence is that the stalker thinks they genuinely love a person they do not know. People all across the globe love someone who doesn't want them, and they just move on or pine in private, without doing anything that could make the person they claim to love feel uncomfortable, creeped-out or genuinely afraid for their safety. They do not stalk or otherwise harass, and their love isn't lacking in evidence for it. Stalking is proof that it's not love at all, but obsession and compulsion that's born of a need to control or possess what you cannot have, much how domestic violence is about the need to control what you are afraid of losing. Just like rape isn't about sex, stalking is not remotely about love or affection. Because if you actually love someone, you want them to be happy, even if what would make them happy is never seeing your face again.
Maybe they see nothing to laugh at since they know Tim is just a hypocrite. “Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies. Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed" Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite! His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe naturally but that can't be. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
@@2fast2block Well, I hate to break it to ya, but Hebrews 11:1 gives a direct definition of faith, and it is "evidence in things unseen." I also love when apologists bring up the first two laws of thermodynamics, because they leave out a crucial part on the second law, and make a baseless assumption on the first. The part that you omit from the second law is the fact that entropy only increases in a closed system, but neither the earth nor the universe is a closed system, so this doesn't apply. In the first law, you're assuming that the universe came from nothing, and since we don't know what came before the universe, saying it came from nothing can't be proven. I also fail to understand what this "max energy" is and how it implies a supernatural entity. The amount of energy has been the same since the beginning of the universe, or did you only like to refer to the first law of thermodynamics when it seemed to help your case? Finally, what is it with apologists and equating atheism to a religion? We have no gods and no system of worship, it's that simple
@@brom3004 "And are you not a dumbass follower of your "God"." Not at all. Example, the bible starts out with God creating the universe. Just the way it really happened. You think otherwise, so explain how we got the universe without God.
@Stuart Bowes yes, get a useless dig in as you can't even get past creation. In various threads you're enjoying your long pussy rubs avoiding how you got around the laws. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
Imagine writing an entire song, composing that song, getting an entire orchestra and being in a show in a concert hall just to raost someone. What a legend
He isn't roasting "someone", he's roasting god, so writing an entire song, composing that song, getting an entire orchestra and being in a show in a concert hall isn't so much over the top.
It's not to roast Sam though. He's just an example, a prompt for the topic. He just wanted to expose the flaws in the logic of those who think that God exists just because of random fortunate situations while the world is so fucked up. The world is full of Sams. I had a friend in school, she and all her family were also Evangelics. One day she told me she knew God existed because her sister was born with a condition and the doctors told them she would not live to be 5 years old, but she was a grown woman with kids. I told her the doctors could be wrong but she insisted she got several tests and then got suddenly cured. I then told her, since it was recent events at the time, why would God cure just one little girl but let hundreds die in an earthquake in Haiti. Her response was that "many people in that area believed in black magic and other practices so maybe God wasn't up to that". I dropped the topic after letting her know that in that case her God was a hard pass to me then. She also told me one guy in her community was cured of homosexuality after they all prayed for him as if anyone wouldn't fake to be straight so that they could be left alone in that situation. What a joyous faith.
@@patrikvukovic8259 Here's what happens when you give a dumbass common science that they can't contend with, they will completely ignore it and since they are disgusting human beings that don't care, they will think they have something clever to say that makes it look like they are not as stupid as they are, so this is what is considered a good scientific come back to all the science they were provided: Drumroll, please.... their science....."th-cam.com/video/OhhOU5FUPBE/w-d-xo.html" Yes, I'm serious. I'm not making this up. They are really that stupid.
@@2fast2block care to provide any peer reviewed evidence? Care to provide any deffinitive prof of the existence of a god? And that your god is the one true god?
Tim - Hey Sam solid discussion tonight and I love the story about your mom. Sam - Thanks! I appreciate you being open minded and I hope you can learn something from her story. Tim - That is what I wanted to talk to you about, can I use this story in a show and write a song? Sam - I know I have opened your eyes and heart and I would love to spread the message through her story! Tim - Thank you! Tim 3 days later I wrote a 6 minute song. I need a 50 piece orchestra, a 5000 seat concert hall, smoke, lighting, and 10 million+ viewers on TH-cam.
The sheer devastating amount of scathing sarcasm that this song delivers while still being logically sound and argumentatively concise is absolutely stunning. On top of that the humor and wordplay is simply perfect. An ingenious piece to say the least!
Thank you, Tim..! For giving such hypocrisy, comedic ken, While arguing so logically. You took their spin and spun it diametrically to show the possibility that maybe, oh so maybe coincidence is not effect!
This was the first time I have even seen Tim Minchin. I laughed so hard I actually cried. What a fabulous and elaborate mockery. And I thought family guy was snarky. Bless this man who heard an example of a "miracle" and instead of saying, "I think there might be some confirmation bias or error in the first diagnosis," thought, "okay guys, I'm going to need an auditorium, a grand piano, and an orchestra to tell you how silly that was."
Thank you for the sarcasm lesson Brandon-Luke Richardson. The next time I feel like pandering to kids whose sense of humor was molded by countless hours of Cartoon Network, and therefore need comedy spoon fed to them, drenched in high fructose corn syrup, and sprinkled with Lucky Charms, I'll keep that in mind :-D It's good to see that at least you're breaking out of your comedy shackles by seeking out Tim Minchin. I recommend you also check out George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks, Jim Jefferies, Doug Stanhope, Jimmy Carr, and Eddie Izzard.
Me - Standing there doing the dishes and subconsciously singing "thank you God, for fixing the cataracts of Sam's Mum" Husband - "... what did you just say?"
@Jodie Johnson " Kayla Cameron 1 year ago Me - Standing there doing the dishes and subconsciously singing "thank you God, for fixing the cataracts of Sam's Mum" Husband - "... what did you just say?" Your reply to it, Jodie Johnson 3 weeks ago "Kayla, you made me laugh so hard, my husband said "what"s so funny?"" Tim, Kayla and you all join in mocking God. I gave proof it's those that mock God are the dumbasses. You're more than free to show how I was wrong in what I presented. Please try, since you all join in mocking God.
@Jodie Johnson "not mocking anyone or anything just laughing at an absurd combination of words" Gee, singing along laughing not even knowing what you're laughing at. " i haven't read your comment, can't find it anywhere" It's only the 2nd comment out of these several comments. So you don't know why you're laughing and can't find my comment. You can make comments and just want to be left alone on a public format. Tim has the right to mock God, which he does, you can speak, as you have the right to, but you feel I don't have the right to speak. Well, I DO too.
This man has channeled my anger for religious thought so brilliantly that I can't stop listening to it in repeat its been three days and I absolutely jam out every time I hear it
@@innoden It's not unreasonable. Religion has been responsible for more war, death , intolerance and hate then anything else, like ever. To deny that is irrational.
@@innoden Not really, more about the ways religious-minded folk rationalize their beliefs. As the entire song points out, coincidence on this small of a scale is utterly useless as proof, either to yourself or to other poeple, that omnipotent gods exist. My anger comes from only recently dismantling my faith and realizing how held back I was as a child. For a god that doesn't exist (and would be outright evil if he did. See the entire Old Testament) and a religious viewpoint that forces ideas into your head instead of logically reaching them. Tim's sarcastic dismantling of the pathetic nature of a god who "works in mysterious ways" so efficiently gets to the root of that issue. Appeals to a god have such a childish, unimaginative, non-insightful view of the world that plagued my early years that I do get a bit mad at wondering where I'd be without it.
@@orange_man_from "see entire old testament" is a terrible argument. Just because you don't agree that those things should've happened, doesn't make them evil. You are human. Finite. Your reason and logic and principles are flawed. Everyone's is and to say otherwise obviously a lie. There is a lot of scientific proof that backs up everything the Bible says, old and new testament. I agree that coincidence cannot be used as evidence, but actually do research. I'm not getting into it any more than this on TH-cam comments. Hope you find the truth. Have a nice day.
@@brom3004 "Obviously not the creation of your life." So you thought this through. First we have to have a universe. Now how did we get the universe with no miracle? Show that you actually think and care about the evidence.
@@enter_feeling6042 another joining in with what they consider science that got around the laws I gave... "why should he show something, that you don't care about? Stuff like evidence must be poison for you" To dumbasses, that is science. They learned well from Beavis and Butt-Head.
Apparently this was the first time Minchin had pulled this whole thing off without a hitch. I love watching him hold his hands to his face like "I DID IT". Awesome dude.
Tim's reasoning isn't at all far-fetched. I was told I needed surgery on my tear-ducts (weird, I know!) and I turned up FOR THE OPERATION and they looked again and said 'No, there's noting wrong with them' and they sent me home (It was pretty unsettling to turn up for surgery I didn't need. lol). Imagine if I had prayed between these two things happening; many people would think a miracle had occurred.
@@jynxed66six54 That's not an accurate representation of reality, only our ignorance and limited perception. Things don't "just" change without rhyme or reason. It's just that we haven't comprehended the situation or process.
@@voodoodolll Things may be just uncomprehendable/random. Synonymous to "just change". (Given ~every sufficiently complex formal system contains statements that can neither be proved nor disproved in it - what can we say about life itself, which exists outside of any formal systems we invent?)
@@voodoodolll Yah I think what Jynxed meant is "the human perception of reality is volatile and deceiving", in that our observations can be erroneous. Medicine isn't like math, where you can prove that 1+1=2. While it is very advanced science, its observations are still strongly educated guesses and can be incorrect.
Man is the only evil on this earth lol. Get a million birds in one place to harvest them, then you get avian bird disease which transfers from bird to man but then every one of you blame God. Cut down/burn all the trees to flush out meat to eat & blame God youve got no water Live in filthy surroundings & defacate in the streets & you get hepatitis, bubonic plague blah blah blah... But there you go, blaming God! Your idols are putting blinkers on your sight so you just cant see past your own beliefs. Maybe you want to believe theres nothing after we die but i can easily say, that belief doesnt make it true & thats a truth which you cannot deny. Go on, swear at me, call me names, send links about mans discoveries & glories but youre only trying to convince yourself. You need more time to wake up, that is all & the ego loves being stuck in time. Be kind & treat me as if i were you. Thats what we are here to do. Love each other - no more hate, no more war, no more wasting time. At your moment of death will you blame God for you leaving here? I hope no one looks back in anger or dies in anger. 💐
Im a kiwi who was on a train in aussie going out to see my sister, and it had a stop at Dandenong and i immediately sung that line from this show. I was like "i know of this place!"
I'd love to have an in-depth conversation with Tim Minchin solely about the line "Fuck me, Sam! What are the odds?" and what makes it so brilliant. The delivery, the build-up, it's all perfect.
That's why he draws into tracks not just people who like funny stuff but some real serious musical nerd geeks who may not even know it - once you find yourself marveling over the internal rhyme and structure while he's singing about cheese then you know you've reached a subgroup that you belong in if you're thrilled to be there. He just died but I think Stephen Sondheim and he would have an amazing amount in common based on the musical style of both, as well as Mozart which they both credit but then I can also pull Green Day into this argument if you like so I'll stop here. When will people get over the stupid concept that is something is funny it is not to be taken seriously or called art? If you have to call it any label at all it's philosophy these days, we've come a long way since take my wife please. I think people respond hugely to intelligence which people like Bo Burnham over in the United States and wordy people who are very good with the internal rhyming and structure of it all as well as the musical genius - but we don't bother to study music because it's more important to study things like bombs and physics and romance languages I guess I don't know I think all the money should be for music but when it's my turn to be in charge, I'd probably just be happy with a nice karaoke group to sing with - I have to add that it's a special talent that also overlaps with green days ability for Billy Joe all 5'5 of him to run around and own a stadium the way Tim played to a crowd of enormous proportions unheard of for comedy shows except Monty Python until fairly recently. I was hoping that he'd have a lot of stuff out on Netflix since I didn't find him for ages and I'm in America but there's the only one more. I don't even know what he looks like now I guess
I don't know if perfection actually exists, but if it does the this is it. The catchyness of the tune, the biting lyrics of skepticism, the dynamics of loud and soft (ex: when the music stops for "I C G O D" ). The carnival whistle during "fuck me Sam what are the odds". The stretching of pronunciation to make "cornea(r)" rhyme with "clear". The way Tim grooves his shoulders back and forth. The quick head nods of "no" to the numerous "it couldn't be" lines of parsimonious alternate explanations contrasted with the affirmative nod during "no the only explanation....". The masterful piano playing. The way he nailed the extremely long and fast moving difficult lyrics. Literally EVERYTHING about this performance can only be described as a miracle. Minchin is truly divine.
You are as clueless as Tim. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block *HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THIS SHIT????? IS YOUR PASSTIME REALLY JUST GOING TO THIS ESPECIFIC COMMENT SECCTION AND PASTING THE SAME POINTLESS TEXT???*
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Tim can't think much. He thinks this all happened on its own. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
Clay Tall Stories It's cute when believers try to convince non-believers how ignorant they are, isn't it? I'm always inclined to say "bless them" but then I don't☺
Honestly, all religions are just cults that got big enough to be considered ‘normal’. Every religion started off as a cult. Then when a religion dies down enough that hardly anyone believes in in anymore it gets called a mythology. It’s the life cycle of belief - cult to religion to mythology.
@@silverfish3868 very well put. But still, in this age, I keep hearing religious people telling me to respect their beliefs, but the moment I state that I don't believe in their god, I become "lost" and need god to "save" me.
"I understand how prayer can work. A particular prayer in a particular church with a particular style and particular stuff for particular problems that aren't particularly tough. A particular prayer in a particular spot to a particular version of a particular god." This dude just described Divine Intervention in orchestral style.
And you think Tim thinks. You're both losers. “Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies. Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed" Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite! His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe naturally but that can't be. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. th-cam.com/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/w-d-xo.html The odds are NOT there. th-cam.com/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/yW9gawzZLsk/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/ddaqSutt5aw/w-d-xo.html
it's more than that. it's giving the middle finger and being backed up by an orchestra when you do it..... Imagine if that just happened all the time. every time you to and tell someone to go fuck themselves, there's an epic crescendo in the background.
@@enter_feeling6042 freak, youtube does not always send me notices. You are stupid. So is Tim. Shove this up your dumb ass and see if it reaches your head up there: “Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies. Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed" Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite! His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe, fine-tuning of the universe for life on earth, life from non-life, information for life before and after it began, the laws of nature without a Lawgiver, etc, etc, when we know that your god of nothing can do nothing. His god of nothing has nothing to offer and its followers only offer nothing of evidence for their god of nothing. That makes him nothing of importance but the followers of the god of nothing are so delusional that they think they do have something to offer to defend their god of nothing.
My mom's belief in Catholicism was cemented when she had an aneurysm that was caught before it could kill her. I'm so grateful to still have her, but I also feel like it has kinda ruined her life? She stays with my horrible, manipulative, emotionally abusive father because that's what a good Catholic would do. She prays for hours every day, cleans church and goes at least once a week, often more, she serves on her church council which sometime causes her to have to work14 hour days going from her regular job to church functions. It has consumed her life, and all because her God miraculously showed the inside of her brain when she was getting a brain scan for something unrelated. Kinda breaks my heart that the church has its claws so deep in her, and that she's so content to have them there that she resists when I try to help her break loose of their stunningly harmful organization.
Yeah Christians are famous for keeping abused women in situations like that. It’s messed up. I hope you can find a way to help her. Lundy Bancroft is a good resource for that
8:30 This is my favorite part because it lays out a simple and effective argument so cleverly and concisely. If I could only pick one bit to show someone, it would be this: "Fuck me Sam, what are the odds that of history's endless parade of gods, that the God you just happened to be taught to believe in is the actual one, and he digs on healing"
I use a line of this frequently when family meetings get on the topic of religion. Paraphrased: Do you really think out of all the thousands of gods that have been, and will be, invented, the one you were taught to believe in since you were a child is the REAL one?
@@rundrop4858 He didn't? He made a point of denial requiring a special wording and implied it not to be there, when it is. And speaking of the 'importance of comments' - lol. lmao, even. You aren't trying to imply that TH-cam comments are in any way, shape, or form ever relevant, right? Because they absolutely aren't.
Tim I’ve watched this periodically for maybe 5+ years and no church congregation in the world could rival the sense of joy, understanding, and togetherness I derive from hearing it and singing along lol
@@2fast2block why are you here? Are you really throwing a passive aggressive hissy fit because there are people who would rather take a more evidence- driven approach to things? Get over yourself
@@2fast2block Man I sure hope God does something to make the people who don't believe in him believe. Oh yeah, I sure hope that there is evidence of him because I believe in him! Yes! He cured Sam's mother of course he is real! Tim is dumb because he can't see inside of my dumb head where I believe in him!
100% correct this song . Imagine if God healed as he promises in the bible , he'd have everyone believe . He only chooses who to heal and that isn't a loving a dad . If my children ask me to put a bandage on a wound to stop them bleeding to death I don't sit there and say ' no I don't want to heal this time '
Forget writing it. Forget performing it. Forget the piano, Forget the production, the idea, the musicianship, the organisation. It's Gosh darn impressive that he can even SAY it all flawlessly. Tim Minchin is incredible, and ya know what, I think this is my favourite of all his songs.
He didn't have such luck when I saw him live 😅 it was the last stop on his recent tour and he was so damn ill, he had to run off stage mid song to blow his nose, came back with a bottle of vodka, poured two shots and gave one to an audience member. Then later on he was singing prejudice, forgot the words and had to half sing the beginning of the song to remember the next ones. It's was fricking hilarious, but I also felt bad that he had to perform.
@@loganally4227 well imo you shouldn't feel bad, playing live is often messy no matter what, but that's the charm of it it wouldn't be fun if every gig was the same, perfect recreation of songs
I'm imagining that after Sam told Tim that story, that Tim just deeply thought on what he was just told, looks up and gives Sam a hug and says "thank you so much... I have the best idea for a song". And then runs off all excited and Sam's just like *sigh* " fuck.".
You HAVE to see Tim perform live, it's mind blowing how incredibly talented he is - comic and musical genius. I've seen him 3 times in Sydney and will always go back when he tours.
+Andy BroncoAus My wife and adult kids saw him in NYC off broadway and there were 30 people. He was amazing! An Austrailian said "At home we can't even get tickets, here, there is no one". So gald the northern hemisphere knows about him now.
When was he in NYC? I would have loved to see him and we're not far. Maybe the show was not publicized at all. That's why no one came. I would have been there if I'd known. Love him.
no such thing as atheism for to conceive of a deity to disbelieve is in itself as act of faith to believe in the validity of your mere thought without knowledge of its truth or falsehood. without God your thought is merely chemicals fizzing.
It's Tim that is the hypocrite. “Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies. Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed" Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite! His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe naturally but that can't be. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
@@2fast2block Well, I hate to break it to ya, but Hebrews 11:1 gives a direct definition of faith, and it is "evidence in things unseen." I also love when apologists bring up the first two laws of thermodynamics, because they leave out a crucial part on the second law, and make a baseless assumption on the first. The part that you omit from the second law is the fact that entropy only increases in a closed system, but neither the earth nor the universe is a closed system, so this doesn't apply. In the first law, you're assuming that the universe came from nothing, and since we don't know what came before the universe, saying it came from nothing can't be proven. I also fail to understand what this "max energy" is and how it implies a supernatural entity. The amount of energy has been the same since the beginning of the universe, or did you only like to refer to the first law of thermodynamics when it seemed to help your case? Finally, what is it with apologists and equating atheism to a religion? We have no gods and no system of worship, it's that simple
You like Tim your fellow dumbass. How sweet. “Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies. Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed" Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite! His god claims to have given us the universe, fine-tuning of the universe for life, life from non-life, information for life before and after it began, the laws of nature, etc, etc, when we know that your god of nothing can do nothing. His god of nothing has nothing to offer and its followers only offer nothing of evidence for their god of nothing. That makes him nothing of importance but the followers of the god of nothing are so delusional that they think they do have something to offer to defend their god of nothing.
@@crunchevo8974 so to a moron like you, all I wrote about Tim is incorrect by your evidence of... "Except his is pleasing to the ears your version is just irritating." So all I said about faith, creation, etc is wrong to you because to you it's irritating to think about. So what is irritating about what biblical faith really means? Tim lying is better for you, why?
Makes me feel better for watching this show tons of times, if they can still be entertained even while performing then I'm clearly not an addict, but I am getting a bit shaky I paused the video to write this comment.
They looked pretty bored during the speech -- it wasn't that captivating -- and then focused on playing what they presumabley rehearsed. I'm sure they enjoyed playing, just like a typical orchestra enjoys playing what they play.
Volound This is one of the videos that affected my faith so much. As a Muslim at first I was convinced he 'saw the light' but eventually I appreciated the satire more without getting offended because it was just absolutely perfect.
When you think of a genius response after the conversation is over...
Tim's a dumbass so where was some "genius"?
@@2fast2block Perhaps you would care to ostentatiously indicate to us the lyrics which failed to exude genius? Please elucidate.
@@ethann6573 says the person who can't apologize for your error. Just keep on being an idiot.
@@stewdog7787 the whole song is based on something silly and individual said him, and he makes it as if that person represents a whole.
Around 3:00 Tim, "...because I haven't yet been offered enough evidence to allow my doubts. And he said, You just don't go through your whole
life only believing things for which you have evidence. And I said Yeah."
Now, the topic is God. Tim makes it clear there's not enough evidence for proof in God. The person he draws his whole stupid song is a fool.
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
I'll cover Tim's hypocrisy in a different comment.
@@2fast2block I'm sorry. You were right. Thank you for all the pathetic attempts to start some conflict that anyone actually took seriously in every single positive comment on this video. Watching you call everyone you could a dumbass has changed my perspective immencley I have seen the errors in my ways and am deleting all my previous comments as I no longer stand by them. Once agen, thank you for your brave holy crusade into the battlegrounds that is this videos comment secshion In order to spread your wisdom to all willing to listen. This has been an enlightening and lifechanging experience.
Update on Sam: he no longer fears Hell.
Nothing could burn him as badly as this.
and I believe you're an especialist :P
@@2fast2block no
@@billiefarmer1492 "no" what?
@@2fast2block everything you said
@@billiefarmer1492 wow, your knowledge against what I said had so much detail all in two letters. It really shows how much you know in "no", not much at all.
My mom had a stroke last September that paralyzed half of her body. My dad and all of their church prayed for months for her recovery. She refused to take her medications because God was going to heal her.
She had another stroke in January that led to permanent brain damage, leaving her in a hospital bed in her living room, all the while my dad prayed for God to intercede.
She passed away three weeks ago after going into a coma for a weekend.
If only she had an eye problem God could have healed her like he did Sam’s mom.
@@traffic-law You are delusional.
@@traffic-law this is the most heartless comment you could have commented. This is almost evil
@@mikewazowski3154 there is no such hate as christian love...
@@traffic-law I am preying this is sarcasm… fabulous if it is..
@@traffic-law That's actually brilliant satire... Hopefully
God really fixed Sam's mom's cataracts so that Tim could create this masterpiece, dude truly works in mysterious ways.
Careful. People actually believe that crap. Those likes you’re getting are sincere and that’s seriously frightening.
@@fezzik7619 or, and hear me out, it might be that people have a sense of humor and understand sarcasm. It might be one or the other. By the way, loved your snarky remark :D
@@ruialmeida818 Could be. Could be. But one must always be careful because so many of these freaky deaky folks live amongst us and they can come off quite normal until they go into their little houses of worship for Jeez-its and wine!
@@fezzik7619 Either way, this comment was intended for those who understand the joke. People can interpret it it however they want, it’s not like they were going to change their opinions anyway over one comment. Just makes it funnier for us if some people actually took it seriously.
🙏🙏🙏🙏
God cured my dad's alcoholism.
7 times.
I might name my auto-biography God cured my dad's alcoholism. :D that would be a cuwl name for a book.
cured my moms a few times too. not sure why god keeps givin that ism back to her but suppose its not my place to question. wonderfully effective isnt the omnipotent
I know right?
The whole event did cure my theism or general believe in a deity or afterlife. So something got cured.
Like where did you buy your English boy?
I need to know, so I won't ever shop there. :D
LMAO. I see what you did there.
I could just imagine Sam's reaction. Sitting there, arms folded, blank look on his face, "Well, you didn't have to be a dick about it!" Ha ha.
Paul TheSkeptic or you could have just told me that wasn't enough evidence.
Paul TheSkeptic Oh, come on. Of course he had :) lol
Paul TheSkeptic Sam is the conductor.
Amy Austin Maybe if he had a major case of not being able to sense sarcasm. XD
Amy Austin Jules Buckley is the conductor
Hes not wrong. I remember reading some words written by a surgeon. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that after spending 4 years pre graduate, 3 years post graduate and 4 years specialising: every successful, life saving/changing operations, the family would thank the Lord, but God forbid (pun intended) anything went wrong, then God played no part in that. That was all on the highly trained surgeon
Well you can't sue God can you.😊
@@startrekker5888Pretty certain there's a film based on that idea...
Lol if I was surgeon I'd tell the family they're mistaken... "God gave them the condition to test them and you brought them here to me to subvert God's plans and remove this condition set by God... Family... What we did here is the Devil's work and you should be thanking him instead". Of course religious people are delusional and hypocritical, so they'll just deny that and choose whatever the scenario best suits them.
Yes sir/ maam. Religion does do that. But have you read the example of Job which is presented in the Bible as how to react to loss? How about the fact that Jesus willingly allowed himself to be executed in the worst possible way? Study it if you have the bravery and honesty to really see and understand what was done....
I dare you to watch the Passion of the Christ
and see a small portion of what God did to settle the debt of OUR sin.
P.S. it is supported historically by " non believers"
@@tmorton922 The story of Job is possibly the most fucked up in the entire 'good' book, so interesting choice there …
Something about closeups of musicians being perfect professionals in service of the most sarcastic song ever written is really funny to me
Something about closeups of musicians being perfect professionals in service of the most sarcastic song ever written is really funny. -to me-
But the one violinist behind Tim who's struggling not to laugh throughout the entire buildup is even funnier
The conductor just rockin' it out the whole time!
I saw some suppressed smirks. Lol
I have only watched a few videos of Tim's and he's freaking amazing, but to see him perform his unique songs with an entire orchestra is truly impressive!
This guy spent countless hours writing, composing, practicing and performing a song with a full orchestra to tell Sam he's a colossal fuckwit. This, ladies and gentlemen is the definition of amazing.
And sexy as hell. I'm 100% straight sexually but honestly; using an entire orchestra to deliver a burn of this savagery-level is just sexy as fuck. If a girl would have a shot at seducing me it would be a performance with this god-like level of legendary cynicism.
Yuuuup, I'm pretty positive my husband turned a little bit watching this last night.
I'm straight but yep Tim is my "Gay Crush"
So great
wtf??
We’re reaching levels of sarcasm that have only ever been theorized to exist.
Omg. Yes sir. Lol. Praise be. In the mosf sarcastic sense.
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful people like Tim, who remind me that although I strive to be the biggest dickhead, and smartest dickhead I can be, there's always an effeminate looking ginger who's smarter and funnier than me out there. In his case, way funnier and way smarter.
Nope. There's some sarcasm up there in the clip, but the only record breaking is in category of circlejerking in comments.
Dexter Dextrovsky - I’m not sure you know what circle jerking is.
@@Steef_Lee Apparently you're not allowed to agree with stuff on the internet anymore.
I was saved by Jesus at 23 yrs old. Then about 20 yrs later I was saved by Tim Minchin.
Then you was never truly saved by Jesus in the first place
@@hopper6094 your tent’s tense is tense and this campsite is taken
@@hopper6094 I can't tell what you mean, because that comment could have two almost opposite meanings.
@@hopper6094 Whoa bud, that's a pretty crazy thing to insinuate. No true Scotsman would make an assumption like that.
@@BlizzardofOze
“ The Christian ideal has never been tried and found wanting, it has been found difficult and never tried.”
Tim Minchin is amazing as always, but can we all appreciate how FUCKING BANGING the orchestra is. Those horns and strings moved the song from a snarky, clever ditty to a fucking epic.
This a great song when it's just Tim and his piano. The orchestra is just sauce for the goose.
Yes. YES!
... with a conductor and everything lol ... all these seriously awesome and formally dressed musicians playing along just makes it so much funnier.
I bet more than a few of them are disgusted by the content, but have to remain professional.
@@ryanjones4150 I bet others are smiling along too.
Prayer does work. When I was six years old, I prayed to god to make all future prayers made by anyone for any reason to go willfully unanswered. I am currently forty five years of age and god has not yet faulted on my first and last prayer. However, it's far more likely that the first person on Earth to ever pray to him...prayed the same prayer as I did... willfully negating my prayer as well.
Mind = blown.
Well, prayer does work actually. You can try it yourself. When you are hung over the next time, take two Aspirin and pray for your headache to go away. You´ll see, it works.
Shato Nyruami XD
When I was a kid I prayed to God for a new bicycle until I realized that God doesn't work like that. So I stole the bike and asked him to forgive me. Emo Phillips.
Paul TheSkeptic
Yeah, like those pastors / ministers always said: God helps those who help themselves...
Well, you could translate this sentence perfectly to: Help yourself or noone is gonna help you.
I always wonder how christian religion could possibly get away for 2000 years with an absolutely inactive god, especially when their holy book depicts a god that interacted with man on a regular basis. Noone ever wanted to know why this god stopped interacting as soon as the book was finished?
Tim certainly knows how to deliver a 'Fuck You!' in the grandest way possible.
indeed so
So true, that is the best part of the song!
PauK "some middle class white bitch"... I thought he wasn't gonna... and then he did... and I said "yeees!"
Its a meme now, for me, whenever something utterly stupid happens I just mutter "well Fuck You Sam!"
I get the joke but i don’t see this as an f u.. more of merely pointing out to sam how ridiculous his suggestion was.. 🤷♂️
that last line "if you get that right, then he just might take a break from giving babies malaria, and pop down to your local area to fix the cataracts of your mom" is perfect in every way.
Wow, so you know things and seek truth. Come on, you're a tiny brain like Tim who hates truth.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
There was a time I just couldn't get enough of that line and I would listen to it over and over again. I love the rhyming and grooviness and how it ties the whole song together. I'm just very happy that Tim makes music.
@@huqqis as I already showed, you Tim followers have tiny brains.
@@2fast2blockyou didnt show anything but that you are a small minded ignorant religious nutjob.
His face with it too. Just how delighted.
When someone uses an entire orchestra to mock you for ten whole minutes xD
This is just a hunch but I don't think Tim's apology was all that sincere.
😂😂
LOL!
Tim is a pure hypocrite.
@@2fast2block hahahaha you got owned by @FiniteAutomaton
@FiniteAutomaton looks like I have to tell you, you gave NO evidence to prove biblical faith is not what I wrote, nor how you got a natural creation. You are not very clever.
Always wondered how much sarcasm can fit into one song.
All of it, apparently.
Carl Cowin
All the sarcasm
3 minutes!
Péter Deák now you know.
you don't know anything about science you dumb shit
That kid behind Minchin on violin smiling like an idiot the entire set up of the story gives me so much life
Lmao you mean the full grown adult?
@@williamchapman9178 Anybody younger then me is a kid but- yeah
I was raised Southern Baptist in the American South. When I deconstructed my faith and became an atheist it really upset a lot of my Christian friends. They would ask me questions that, although annoying, were sincere and I was happy, or perhaps more accurately "obliged" to answer them. I was once asked if I didn't miss the wonderful feeling that Christians get when listening to "praise music". I tell them that I have music that gives me those feelings as an atheist and then I point them to this video. This is atheist praise music of the highest quality!
What made you become an atheist?
@@gorb_oron Reading the Bible, studying science and being immersed and marinated in Christofascism growing up in Mississippi drove me out of the Christian faith. Once that happened and I felt liberated and free to form my own mind, I discovered that atheism was the best fit for me.
@@tampazeke4587 do you think it’s possible that there’s a higher power that’s not the Christian God
@@gorb_oron I don't know. All I can say is that I've seen no demonstrable, measurable evidence that would meet minimal scientific standards, presented to lead me to believe that there is an intelligent "higher power" that creates or controls or destroys with intention. I do believe in time, energy, mass and the laws of nature that regulate their interactions. I could see that there could be a natural law of karma as of yet undiscovered but I have to be as agnostic about that as I am about gods until more repeatable and measurable scientific evidence is discovered and presented.
If you like "atheist praise music", might I reccomend "Don't Look Down" by the Divine Comedy. Very similar vibes to this one.
"Love without evidence is.. well.. stalking"
-Tim Minchin
Actually this one I first heard from either Dawkins or Krauss
He's saying if you believe and act as if someone else loves you when you have no evidence that they do, then it's stalking.
@@NYsummertimeCHI Kinda impressive that @Dan ofDunolly reinforced your point before you made it. Though your definition is kind of centered on celebrity stalking, rather than the kind that's most common - being stalked by someone you know, who you probably have had to reject several times. But I would agree that's closer to the type Tim is invoking in that lyric.
But talk about an excellent example of how language around matters of consent is very important, and when we as a society use language that supports the predator more than the victim, it's only making things worse. Because, while I'm sure Dan was being sarcastic in saying stalking is proof of unrequited love, that's genuinely what some people would argue is linguistically correct. But they'd be wrong.
Evidence of unrequited love is when the claim of love is made and the other person rejects it or otherwise makes clear that it's not returned - or in the case of celeb or distance stalking, the evidence is that the stalker thinks they genuinely love a person they do not know. People all across the globe love someone who doesn't want them, and they just move on or pine in private, without doing anything that could make the person they claim to love feel uncomfortable, creeped-out or genuinely afraid for their safety. They do not stalk or otherwise harass, and their love isn't lacking in evidence for it.
Stalking is proof that it's not love at all, but obsession and compulsion that's born of a need to control or possess what you cannot have, much how domestic violence is about the need to control what you are afraid of losing. Just like rape isn't about sex, stalking is not remotely about love or affection. Because if you actually love someone, you want them to be happy, even if what would make them happy is never seeing your face again.
@@Yliandra well written, thank you.
Yliandra thank you for that comment
Perhaps God can heal the 3rd degree burn Tim Minchin just gave to Sam and his mum?
+elmohead Best comment!
I think it was 4th Degree...
+Tom_200 - Minecraft & More Nay, a burn of yon sixth degree...
+elmohead There really are only two words to describe this comment. Oh, snap!
+elmohead Well you know what they say. If you don't want people making fun of your religion, you shouldn't pick a funny religion.
I'm a trumpet player, and I have no idea how this orchestra managed it, it's usually impossible to play when you're trying not to laugh
Maybe they see nothing to laugh at since they know Tim is just a hypocrite.
“Science adjusts its views based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin
Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies.
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed"
Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite!
His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe naturally but that can't be. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
@@2fast2block Well, I hate to break it to ya, but Hebrews 11:1 gives a direct definition of faith, and it is "evidence in things unseen."
I also love when apologists bring up the first two laws of thermodynamics, because they leave out a crucial part on the second law, and make a baseless assumption on the first.
The part that you omit from the second law is the fact that entropy only increases in a closed system, but neither the earth nor the universe is a closed system, so this doesn't apply.
In the first law, you're assuming that the universe came from nothing, and since we don't know what came before the universe, saying it came from nothing can't be proven.
I also fail to understand what this "max energy" is and how it implies a supernatural entity. The amount of energy has been the same since the beginning of the universe, or did you only like to refer to the first law of thermodynamics when it seemed to help your case?
Finally, what is it with apologists and equating atheism to a religion? We have no gods and no system of worship, it's that simple
@@musicproducer8508 half year late, but very well said 👏
@@musicproducer8508 "apologists and equating atheism to a religion?"
"Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour".
Christians in the orchestra got the brass and woodwind section.
Less likely to laugh.
Thank you God for allowing us to have Tim Minchin despite, or due to, Your lack of existence.
Think of how powerful you have to be to do that *despite not existing.*
When you get an orchestra to aid in a burn, You've just kinda won everything by that point.
Indeed.
It was a well orchestrated burn, indeed.
@@panda4247 very well played
I only down voted this because I saw 1.2k upvotes and zero down votes and just had to do it. I'm sorry.
That's like Cartman vs. Scott Tenorman levels of burn.
Every time there's a key change in one of his songs, you know the shits about to hit the fan
Maddy Struthers Yep. Without it, neither Thank You God or Prejudice would be nearly as effective as they are.
Wow, so you are so into dumbass Tim, you even pick up on his "key change". You are just one of his dumbass followers.
@@2fast2block And are you not a dumbass follower of your "God".
@@brom3004 "And are you not a dumbass follower of your "God"."
Not at all. Example, the bible starts out with God creating the universe. Just the way it really happened.
You think otherwise, so explain how we got the universe without God.
@Stuart Bowes yes, get a useless dig in as you can't even get past creation. In various threads you're enjoying your long pussy rubs avoiding how you got around the laws.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
And that’s what you call a super mega ultra burn. Few have been dunked on this hard.
Imagine writing an entire song, composing that song, getting an entire orchestra and being in a show in a concert hall just to raost someone. What a legend
It's an act. Sam doesn't exist ;)
@@Reggie1408 he does, Tim said so in an interview. "Storm" from the poem does not exist though
He isn't roasting "someone", he's roasting god, so writing an entire song, composing that song, getting an entire orchestra and being in a show in a concert hall isn't so much over the top.
It's not to roast Sam though. He's just an example, a prompt for the topic. He just wanted to expose the flaws in the logic of those who think that God exists just because of random fortunate situations while the world is so fucked up. The world is full of Sams. I had a friend in school, she and all her family were also Evangelics. One day she told me she knew God existed because her sister was born with a condition and the doctors told them she would not live to be 5 years old, but she was a grown woman with kids. I told her the doctors could be wrong but she insisted she got several tests and then got suddenly cured. I then told her, since it was recent events at the time, why would God cure just one little girl but let hundreds die in an earthquake in Haiti. Her response was that "many people in that area believed in black magic and other practices so maybe God wasn't up to that". I dropped the topic after letting her know that in that case her God was a hard pass to me then. She also told me one guy in her community was cured of homosexuality after they all prayed for him as if anyone wouldn't fake to be straight so that they could be left alone in that situation. What a joyous faith.
That must be true love ☺
"Love without evidence is just stalking"
Laughed my ass off when I heard that. :D
I dont really get that, the obsession of a stalker is not evidence of love?
@@Decenium 1. Obsession is not love
2. Love needs to be mutual, while stalking is one sided
Amazing if he really came up with that in the midst of a real conversation with Sam, I'm sure I wouldn't.
Minchin rocks, but can we all take a moment to appreciate The Heritage Orchestra and their awesomeness?
They played along to a dumbass with a horrible singing voice. I dont appreciate them.
@@2fast2block how does it feel to be a nobody
@@2fast2block th-cam.com/video/OhhOU5FUPBE/w-d-xo.html
@@patrikvukovic8259 Here's what happens when you give a dumbass common science that they can't contend with, they will completely ignore it and since they are disgusting human beings that don't care, they will think they have something clever to say that makes it look like they are not as stupid as they are, so this is what is considered a good scientific come back to all the science they were provided:
Drumroll, please.... their science....."th-cam.com/video/OhhOU5FUPBE/w-d-xo.html"
Yes, I'm serious. I'm not making this up. They are really that stupid.
@@2fast2block care to provide any peer reviewed evidence? Care to provide any deffinitive prof of the existence of a god? And that your god is the one true god?
Tim - Hey Sam solid discussion tonight and I love the story about your mom.
Sam - Thanks! I appreciate you being open minded and I hope you can learn something from her story.
Tim - That is what I wanted to talk to you about, can I use this story in a show and write a song?
Sam - I know I have opened your eyes and heart and I would love to spread the message through her story!
Tim - Thank you!
Tim 3 days later
I wrote a 6 minute song. I need a 50 piece orchestra, a 5000 seat concert hall, smoke, lighting, and 10 million+ viewers on TH-cam.
… and I’m going to do it in the Royal Albert Hall
10 million? Tim needs to fit the bit in about being busy stealing youtube views somewhere
You're not going to experience too many geniuses in your lifetime. Tim is definitely one of them. Stellar.
I had the privilege to see him live.
We, as atheists don't have deities but Tim Minchin comes fucking close to being my god.
@@jamesedmonds7519 Nice one
He definitely has an audience! 😉😊
The sheer devastating amount of scathing sarcasm that this song delivers while still being logically sound and argumentatively concise is absolutely stunning. On top of that the humor and wordplay is simply perfect. An ingenious piece to say the least!
It's also one of the few logically blasphemous songs that compels me to dance*. A tour de force!
*It's not a very complex dance, mind you.
@@HopSkipLimp lol
Thank you, Tim..!
For giving such hypocrisy,
comedic ken,
While arguing so logically.
You took their spin
and spun it diametrically
to show the possibility
that maybe, oh so maybe
coincidence is not effect!
Eoghan MP: it could be more complex if you put your mind to it, though.
August 18th, 2019
666 likes😯
Someone talks to him in a bar, so he writes a song using an entire orchestra in rebuttal. Tim Minchin has the best comebacks.
Have a wee look at his song for Phil Daoust. 10/10 for grudge-holding there
@@gradybeckett1777 without a doubt the best rebuttal in history.
@Julian Machen I don't know if he thinks he is cool, but I do
Right on par with John Oliver shit
"Love without evidence is... stalking."
😂😂😂
Well... It's true
My favourite part of this is the escalation from barely detectable sarcasm all the way up to Full Big Band Snark. It's brilliant.
This was the first time I have even seen Tim Minchin. I laughed so hard I actually cried. What a fabulous and elaborate mockery. And I thought family guy was snarky. Bless this man who heard an example of a "miracle" and instead of saying, "I think there might be some confirmation bias or error in the first diagnosis," thought, "okay guys, I'm going to need an auditorium, a grand piano, and an orchestra to tell you how silly that was."
Morgan West hahahahaha
If you haven't already, you have to listen to this th-cam.com/video/JkOHDoEkPW0/w-d-xo.html
This song is legendary. Minchin is a fucking master.
TheDeadlyZipper with an audience
a mentally ill person with an audience
Tim Minchin is Australia making up for giving the world Ken Ham. 👍
I might regret asking, but who the fuck is that?
@@dielaughing73 President of Christian conservative/creationist organization Answers in Genesis.
Christian apologist/biblical literalist moved to the US and built a big silly fake ark and the "Creationist museum"@@dielaughing73
*Rupert Murdoch
This man is a genius...not only for the song and the lyrics, but the fact he’s playing the drums at the same time as the piano. (6:25 for proof)
Ironically, Tim Minchin is everywhere at once.
@@McSuperfly101 omnipresent
@@mcplesk8765 Tim was the God who fixed Sam's mums eye all along.
(6:25 for evidence)*
What's funny is the drummer's face looks like russel brand
It's good to see that after years of blasphemy Tim has finally accepted Jesus into his heart.
Brandon-Luke Richardson really? cause he wasnt joking....at all?
Wait, are you telling me he was being sarcastic? I guess I could learn a lot from Tim... my sarcasm is lost on some people.
Brandon-Luke Richardson Unless you are northern European, British or German especially as sarcasm should always be a velvet glove, not a mailed fist.
Thank you for the sarcasm lesson Brandon-Luke Richardson. The next time I feel like pandering to kids whose sense of humor was molded by countless hours of Cartoon Network, and therefore need comedy spoon fed to them, drenched in high fructose corn syrup, and sprinkled with Lucky Charms, I'll keep that in mind :-D
It's good to see that at least you're breaking out of your comedy shackles by seeking out Tim Minchin. I recommend you also check out George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks, Jim Jefferies, Doug Stanhope, Jimmy Carr, and Eddie Izzard.
You're finally getting my sense of humor,Leo Ix :-D
Me - Standing there doing the dishes and subconsciously singing "thank you God, for fixing the cataracts of Sam's Mum"
Husband - "... what did you just say?"
Happened to me while walking with some friends. it was weird
@@noonestudiosmadeofstaliniu5938 look how you dumbasses ignore my comment.
@Jodie Johnson read my comment and then give me the humor.
@Jodie Johnson "
Kayla Cameron
1 year ago
Me - Standing there doing the dishes and subconsciously singing "thank you God, for fixing the cataracts of Sam's Mum"
Husband - "... what did you just say?"
Your reply to it,
Jodie Johnson
3 weeks ago
"Kayla, you made me laugh so hard, my husband said "what"s so funny?""
Tim, Kayla and you all join in mocking God. I gave proof it's those that mock God are the dumbasses. You're more than free to show how I was wrong in what I presented. Please try, since you all join in mocking God.
@Jodie Johnson "not mocking anyone or anything just laughing at an absurd combination of words"
Gee, singing along laughing not even knowing what you're laughing at.
" i haven't read your comment, can't find it anywhere"
It's only the 2nd comment out of these several comments.
So you don't know why you're laughing and can't find my comment. You can make comments and just want to be left alone on a public format. Tim has the right to mock God, which he does, you can speak, as you have the right to, but you feel I don't have the right to speak. Well, I DO too.
I thank God for curing the cataract of Sam's mum. If not, we would not be able to hear this genius song.
This man has channeled my anger for religious thought so brilliantly that I can't stop listening to it in repeat its been three days and I absolutely jam out every time I hear it
Atheists might groove with this 😅
Even thinking about religion makes you angry? Might need an exorcist to fix that sort of irrationality lol
@@innoden It's not unreasonable. Religion has been responsible for more war, death , intolerance and hate then anything else, like ever. To deny that is irrational.
@@innoden Not really, more about the ways religious-minded folk rationalize their beliefs. As the entire song points out, coincidence on this small of a scale is utterly useless as proof, either to yourself or to other poeple, that omnipotent gods exist.
My anger comes from only recently dismantling my faith and realizing how held back I was as a child. For a god that doesn't exist (and would be outright evil if he did. See the entire Old Testament) and a religious viewpoint that forces ideas into your head instead of logically reaching them.
Tim's sarcastic dismantling of the pathetic nature of a god who "works in mysterious ways" so efficiently gets to the root of that issue. Appeals to a god have such a childish, unimaginative, non-insightful view of the world that plagued my early years that I do get a bit mad at wondering where I'd be without it.
@@orange_man_from "see entire old testament" is a terrible argument. Just because you don't agree that those things should've happened, doesn't make them evil. You are human. Finite. Your reason and logic and principles are flawed. Everyone's is and to say otherwise obviously a lie. There is a lot of scientific proof that backs up everything the Bible says, old and new testament. I agree that coincidence cannot be used as evidence, but actually do research. I'm not getting into it any more than this on TH-cam comments. Hope you find the truth. Have a nice day.
"but here I was, *witnessing a first person account* of what can only be described as a miracle"
The most passive-aggressive line in history.
And what is a miracle?
@@2fast2block Obviously not the creation of your life.
@@brom3004 "Obviously not the creation of your life."
So you thought this through. First we have to have a universe. Now how did we get the universe with no miracle?
Show that you actually think and care about the evidence.
@@2fast2block why should he show something, that you don't care about? Stuff like evidence must be poison for you
@@enter_feeling6042 another joining in with what they consider science that got around the laws I gave...
"why should he show something, that you don't care about? Stuff like evidence must be poison for you"
To dumbasses, that is science. They learned well from Beavis and Butt-Head.
Apparently this was the first time Minchin had pulled this whole thing off without a hitch. I love watching him hold his hands to his face like "I DID IT". Awesome dude.
And he pulled it off phenomenally as well, just a shame the crowd weren't a bit more lively.
+RyanDownes000 It's at the Royal Albert Hall, it's designed to dampen as much audience noise and amplify what's on the stage as much as possible.
+Sam Hill ?luďqkeyk
+Heath Kitchen Yea the first time he did it without making mistakes, was in front of a giant crowd... Sure.
+passionfruitprincess - Tim would have been proud of Nathan. Being cynical is exactly what this song is about ;)
I watch this at least twice a year, just because it's so f*cking brilliant.
Tim's reasoning isn't at all far-fetched. I was told I needed surgery on my tear-ducts (weird, I know!) and I turned up FOR THE OPERATION and they looked again and said 'No, there's noting wrong with them' and they sent me home (It was pretty unsettling to turn up for surgery I didn't need. lol). Imagine if I had prayed between these two things happening; many people would think a miracle had occurred.
For sure it's a miracle! Who knows how many people were praying for you without your knowing? It was definitely God that saved your tear ducts!
🤣
yh, thats the weird part of being alive. not everything is an exact science, things can just change
@@jynxed66six54 That's not an accurate representation of reality, only our ignorance and limited perception. Things don't "just" change without rhyme or reason. It's just that we haven't comprehended the situation or process.
@@voodoodolll Things may be just uncomprehendable/random. Synonymous to "just change". (Given ~every sufficiently complex formal system contains statements that can neither be proved nor disproved in it - what can we say about life itself, which exists outside of any formal systems we invent?)
@@voodoodolll Yah I think what Jynxed meant is "the human perception of reality is volatile and deceiving", in that our observations can be erroneous. Medicine isn't like math, where you can prove that 1+1=2. While it is very advanced science, its observations are still strongly educated guesses and can be incorrect.
What distinguishes Mr. Minchin, to my ears, is a Douglas Adams or P.G. Wodehouse level of commitment to each line's perfection. There is no filler.
Ive never read any Wodehouse but since you also like Tim and Adams, i'm gonna give him a try, thanks m8
good call.
"take a break from giving babies malaria and pop down to your local area" This gets me everytime!
And it's so damn catchy! I caught myself singing it to myself in church the other day! LMAO
Michael Petersen do you think your god stopped giving babies malaria long enough to listen to your prayers?
If anyone has kids they'll know why God has abandoned us.
Man is the only evil on this earth lol. Get a million birds in one place to harvest them, then you get avian bird disease which transfers from bird to man but then every one of you blame God. Cut down/burn all the trees to flush out meat to eat & blame God youve got no water
Live in filthy surroundings & defacate in the streets & you get hepatitis, bubonic plague blah blah blah... But there you go, blaming God! Your idols are putting blinkers on your sight so you just cant see past your own beliefs. Maybe you want to believe theres nothing after we die but i can easily say, that belief doesnt make it true & thats a truth which you cannot deny.
Go on, swear at me, call me names, send links about mans discoveries & glories but youre only trying to convince yourself. You need more time to wake up, that is all & the ego loves being stuck in time.
Be kind & treat me as if i were you. Thats what we are here to do. Love each other - no more hate, no more war, no more wasting time.
At your moment of death will you blame God for you leaving here? I hope no one looks back in anger or dies in anger. 💐
@@twodogzdogue8710 what about natural evil, like earthquakes or other natural disasters?
Im a kiwi who was on a train in aussie going out to see my sister, and it had a stop at Dandenong and i immediately sung that line from this show. I was like "i know of this place!"
“Love without evidence is stalking” 🤣
I'd love to have an in-depth conversation with Tim Minchin solely about the line "Fuck me, Sam! What are the odds?" and what makes it so brilliant. The delivery, the build-up, it's all perfect.
Absolute sarcasm incarnate
That is my absolute favourite line.
His face and body language throughout the whole video😍😅😍😅 watched it a hundred times. He's soooo sexy🙃
@@hippyfriend Mine too! Pure sarcasm
That's why he draws into tracks not just people who like funny stuff but some real serious musical nerd geeks who may not even know it - once you find yourself marveling over the internal rhyme and structure while he's singing about cheese then you know you've reached a subgroup that you belong in if you're thrilled to be there. He just died but I think Stephen Sondheim and he would have an amazing amount in common based on the musical style of both, as well as Mozart which they both credit but then I can also pull Green Day into this argument if you like so I'll stop here.
When will people get over the stupid concept that is something is funny it is not to be taken seriously or called art? If you have to call it any label at all it's philosophy these days, we've come a long way since take my wife please.
I think people respond hugely to intelligence which people like Bo Burnham over in the United States and wordy people who are very good with the internal rhyming and structure of it all as well as the musical genius - but we don't bother to study music because it's more important to study things like bombs and physics and romance languages I guess I don't know I think all the money should be for music but when it's my turn to be in charge, I'd probably just be happy with a nice karaoke group to sing with - I have to add that it's a special talent that also overlaps with green days ability for Billy Joe all 5'5 of him to run around and own a stadium the way Tim played to a crowd of enormous proportions unheard of for comedy shows except Monty Python until fairly recently. I was hoping that he'd have a lot of stuff out on Netflix since I didn't find him for ages and I'm in America but there's the only one more.
I don't even know what he looks like now I guess
this man is utterly fucking brilliant
Lark Macallan yeah that was brilliant
+Lark Macallan Genetics determines success
MrBeautifulba1 a possible oversimplication, not to mention an answer to a question that wasn't asked, but okay, thanks.
Lark Macallan Sorry, depression and boredom = random comments.
MrBeautifulba1 haha. been there
I don't know if perfection actually exists, but if it does the this is it. The catchyness of the tune, the biting lyrics of skepticism, the dynamics of loud and soft (ex: when the music stops for "I C G O D" ). The carnival whistle during "fuck me Sam what are the odds". The stretching of pronunciation to make "cornea(r)" rhyme with "clear". The way Tim grooves his shoulders back and forth. The quick head nods of "no" to the numerous "it couldn't be" lines of parsimonious alternate explanations contrasted with the affirmative nod during "no the only explanation....". The masterful piano playing. The way he nailed the extremely long and fast moving difficult lyrics. Literally EVERYTHING about this performance can only be described as a miracle. Minchin is truly divine.
You are as clueless as Tim.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block *HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THIS SHIT????? IS YOUR PASSTIME REALLY JUST GOING TO THIS ESPECIFIC COMMENT SECCTION AND PASTING THE SAME POINTLESS TEXT???*
I just hope I am lucky enough to end up in the same vat of boiling oil as Tim. Eternity would just speed by. What a comedic genius he is.
He says the church had 1,700 members, and this video has 1,700 dislikes. Hmm, I wonder who thumbs-downed...
It's 2000 now. They must be spreading. Or multiplying!
@@biggusmcchungus1336 they just creating several accounts to dislike this video
Cal 2K vs 65K that liked it... I think we’re good here.
All religion is cult.
You feel old when you see a comment where the dislikes weren't disabled yet
It would truly be an honour to be mocked by Tim Minchin.
@Roy G Biv Na, I don't think every dumb person is religious ;)
So would god, if he was real :)
It would, but I wouldn't survive it
it is possible that cardinal pell and the pope do not see this as an honor, but I get your point.
pell th-cam.com/video/EtHOmforqxk/w-d-xo.html
pope th-cam.com/video/Sph8Qu8wLAk/w-d-xo.html
@@internettevarolanadam You atheists are unsufferable. And i am one.
This is it. This is the pinnacle of comedy.
I just love the line "Love without evidence is stalking"
Tim can't think much. He thinks this all happened on its own.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
If you love that, you'll love the rest of it.
The magnitude of this blokes talent is mind blowing.
+Clay Tall Stories The magnitude of your ignorance is mind boggling.
The magnitude of your inner need to convince other of your own ingrained belief system is at best... pitiful.
Clay Tall Stories It's cute when believers try to convince non-believers how ignorant they are, isn't it? I'm always inclined to say "bless them" but then I don't☺
lol
Agreed!
This is musical and lyrical genius. It's as simple as that.
Composer of consummate cerebral comedy.
GENIUS
I don't even can imagine how he can remembered all the beautifully complex lyrics
I escaped from a cult. Tim is truly my hero.
@@nickhall6265 : God has character? Have you read your bible?
We are almost all born into a cult. The age of reason allows us to free ourselves. Tim has a firm grasp on that reality.
@@silverfish3868 : Yes, I think all religions are cults and some perform cannibalistic rituals.
Honestly, all religions are just cults that got big enough to be considered ‘normal’. Every religion started off as a cult. Then when a religion dies down enough that hardly anyone believes in in anymore it gets called a mythology. It’s the life cycle of belief - cult to religion to mythology.
@@silverfish3868 very well put.
But still, in this age, I keep hearing religious people telling me to respect their beliefs, but the moment I state that I don't believe in their god, I become "lost" and need god to "save" me.
"I understand how prayer can work. A particular prayer in a particular church with a particular style and particular stuff for particular problems that aren't particularly tough. A particular prayer in a particular spot to a particular version of a particular god."
This dude just described Divine Intervention in orchestral style.
And you think Tim thinks. You're both losers.
“Science adjusts its views based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin
Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies.
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed"
Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite!
His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe naturally but that can't be. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
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The ultimate middle finger. A five minute song.
Wouldn't the ultimate middle finger be... Yknow... A middle finger?
YouJustCantBeatMeGuy It was 12:00 AM, so I am excused from thinking.
Eh, fair enough.
it's more than that. it's giving the middle finger and being backed up by an orchestra when you do it..... Imagine if that just happened all the time. every time you to and tell someone to go fuck themselves, there's an epic crescendo in the background.
Katherine Daniel I guess one needs an orchestra when one tells god to go fuck himself. It seems apt.
It gets better every time. Plus I remember more lyrics every time.
By 2030 I’ll have it down.
Then you can make a cover of it and get everybody interested in Tim Minchin all over again!
What did you like about it?
@@2fast2block ohhh now I see, why you think you're smart. You comment under comments from ages ago and when they don't reply you think you won.
@@enter_feeling6042 freak, youtube does not always send me notices.
You are stupid. So is Tim. Shove this up your dumb ass and see if it reaches your head up there:
“Science adjusts its views based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin
Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies.
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed"
Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite!
His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe, fine-tuning of the universe for life on earth, life from non-life, information for life before and after it began, the laws of nature without a Lawgiver, etc, etc, when we know that your god of nothing can do nothing. His god of nothing has nothing to offer and its followers only offer nothing of evidence for their god of nothing. That makes him nothing of importance but the followers of the god of nothing are so delusional that they think they do have something to offer to defend their god of nothing.
@S oh wait, someone new joins in to prove me wrong with such great evidence as....
"You people are so tiresome."
Such deep thought put into that.
My mom's belief in Catholicism was cemented when she had an aneurysm that was caught before it could kill her. I'm so grateful to still have her, but I also feel like it has kinda ruined her life? She stays with my horrible, manipulative, emotionally abusive father because that's what a good Catholic would do. She prays for hours every day, cleans church and goes at least once a week, often more, she serves on her church council which sometime causes her to have to work14 hour days going from her regular job to church functions. It has consumed her life, and all because her God miraculously showed the inside of her brain when she was getting a brain scan for something unrelated. Kinda breaks my heart that the church has its claws so deep in her, and that she's so content to have them there that she resists when I try to help her break loose of their stunningly harmful organization.
Yeah Christians are famous for keeping abused women in situations like that. It’s messed up. I hope you can find a way to help her. Lundy Bancroft is a good resource for that
8:30 This is my favorite part because it lays out a simple and effective argument so cleverly and concisely. If I could only pick one bit to show someone, it would be this:
"Fuck me Sam, what are the odds that of history's endless parade of gods, that the God you just happened to be taught to believe in is the actual one, and he digs on healing"
"fuck me Sam!" Why is this so funny xD
That line makes me laugh too. It may be the timing and the "march/parade" the music briefly goes into. His music seems at home with a full Orchestra
Jason Jackson Yes that's it!
Jason Jackson I just noticed they also launched fireworks for background noise during that line, just to drive the point home.
+katie murphy It's because there's a guy at that moment playing, who's just having a laugh himself.
He just vapourised an argument with an atom bomb where a small pop was needed.
Nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.
You think a small pop is sufficient, huh?
The level of overkill here is awe-inspiring.
For once in human history, the atom bomb was MUCH more fun.
I use a line of this frequently when family meetings get on the topic of religion. Paraphrased: Do you really think out of all the thousands of gods that have been, and will be, invented, the one you were taught to believe in since you were a child is the REAL one?
Right at 6:40... that shit-eating grin! I love it! Edit: 5:25 Song Begins.
Thats when you "know," this entire song was a setup.
5:23 for those who have heard the whole thing but want to relisten to the musical bit.
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Thank you
6:36 if you want to skip to the sarcastic bit
Our messiah. Thank you
To remind myself
Sam’s mum: Doesn’t trust doctors.
Doctors: Here’s a misdiagnosis about your eyes.
Sam’s Mum: I trust you.
It's almost as if being in denial because you're scared is something people do, huh?
@@messiha666 Denial would be "I don't trust you" but if you reread what the last line says it's not that
@@u1zha Watch me be even smarmier and point out that it says that in the first line.
@@messiha666 I think he’s just pointing out that the existence of the next two lines deflates your entire comment’s importance :)
@@rundrop4858 He didn't? He made a point of denial requiring a special wording and implied it not to be there, when it is. And speaking of the 'importance of comments' - lol. lmao, even. You aren't trying to imply that TH-cam comments are in any way, shape, or form ever relevant, right? Because they absolutely aren't.
how much sarcasm can fit into one song? Tim Minchin: YES! :D
Any boob can be sarcastic. But to produce sarcasm of such high quality? Only Tim could pull this off.
Tim I’ve watched this periodically for maybe 5+ years and no church congregation in the world could rival the sense of joy, understanding, and togetherness I derive from hearing it and singing along lol
Same here!
Same, I keep coming back to it at least once a year, for quite a while now. It's a classic.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should never say anything stupid to a comedian, especially one who can sing.
Tim is stupid to begin with.
@@2fast2block why are you here? Are you really throwing a passive aggressive hissy fit because there are people who would rather take a more evidence- driven approach to things? Get over yourself
@@2fast2block good troll post
@@dude988 what a fool replies when they can't prove me wrong yet need to relieve their word fart....
"good troll post"
@@2fast2block It was a compliment. I like your style of satire. But it's hard to not overact it.
The most artistic "Fuck off" in human history
Beside hilarious as hell.. its a real ear worm, I keep humming it all day..
Imagine being totally proud that you convinced Tim Minchin god is real and then 6:37 happens
@@2fast2block you have to much time
@@patrikvukovic8259 are you some pretend therapist now talking about time management? How can you be when you can't read what I said?
@@2fast2block Man I sure hope God does something to make the people who don't believe in him believe. Oh yeah, I sure hope that there is evidence of him because I believe in him! Yes! He cured Sam's mother of course he is real! Tim is dumb because he can't see inside of my dumb head where I believe in him!
@@2fast2block
How ironic
@@2fast2block I always love to laugh at idiots like you.
"Take a break from giving babies malaria, and Pop down to your local area" 😂
Great fookin point mate. Won't stop famine but will fix one person's eyes.
100% correct this song . Imagine if God healed as he promises in the bible , he'd have everyone believe . He only chooses who to heal and that isn't a loving a dad . If my children ask me to put a bandage on a wound to stop them bleeding to death I don't sit there and say ' no I don't want to heal this time '
Forget writing it. Forget performing it. Forget the piano, Forget the production, the idea, the musicianship, the organisation. It's Gosh darn impressive that he can even SAY it all flawlessly. Tim Minchin is incredible, and ya know what, I think this is my favourite of all his songs.
He didn't have such luck when I saw him live 😅 it was the last stop on his recent tour and he was so damn ill, he had to run off stage mid song to blow his nose, came back with a bottle of vodka, poured two shots and gave one to an audience member. Then later on he was singing prejudice, forgot the words and had to half sing the beginning of the song to remember the next ones. It's was fricking hilarious, but I also felt bad that he had to perform.
@@loganally4227 well imo you shouldn't feel bad, playing live is often messy no matter what, but that's the charm of it
it wouldn't be fun if every gig was the same, perfect recreation of songs
I'm imagining that after Sam told Tim that story, that Tim just deeply thought on what he was just told, looks up and gives Sam a hug and says "thank you so much... I have the best idea for a song". And then runs off all excited and Sam's just like *sigh* " fuck.".
I like to imagine an orchestra popping up behind him and him singing the full thing then and there completely off the cuff.
That would be a terrific video!
Something tells me no one will try to convince Tim that God exists after this absolute gem of a retort.
God fixed my mom's cataracts. Didn't bother 'bout her colorectal cancer or angiosarcoma, though. THANK YOU, GOD!
Can we just appreciate the line “a genius is just a mentally ill person with an audience.”
His talent is mind-blowing.
You HAVE to see Tim perform live, it's mind blowing how incredibly talented he is - comic and musical genius. I've seen him 3 times in Sydney and will always go back when he tours.
+Andy BroncoAus My wife and adult kids saw him in NYC off broadway and there were 30 people. He was amazing! An Austrailian said "At home we can't even get tickets, here, there is no one". So gald the northern hemisphere knows about him now.
+Bob Gehrls do they really I had to find out about him on my own
When was he in NYC? I would have loved to see him and we're not far. Maybe the show was not publicized at all. That's why no one came. I would have been there if I'd known. Love him.
If god can control my eyesight how come I haven't gone blind after watching this clip over a hundred times?
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
I love it when somebody can hold a room's attention with less than a joke per minute. So awesome sir.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is 10 megatons of weapons-grade atheism.
Oh please... you haven't seen weapons-grade atheism, and I pray you never will. That shit, son, is far beyond good vs evil.
no such thing as atheism for to conceive of a deity to disbelieve is in itself as act of faith to believe in the validity of your mere thought without knowledge of its truth or falsehood. without God your thought is merely chemicals fizzing.
@@jamesflannery-serle3489 Not collecting stamps is not a hobby
@@thehellcat777 Lol. That's beautiful.
@@thehellcat777 and not doing sports isn't a sport :)
This is genuinely the best put-down in the history of humanity.
It's Tim that is the hypocrite.
“Science adjusts its views based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin
Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies.
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed"
Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite!
His god claims to have given us the creation of the universe naturally but that can't be. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
@@2fast2block Well, I hate to break it to ya, but Hebrews 11:1 gives a direct definition of faith, and it is "evidence in things unseen."
I also love when apologists bring up the first two laws of thermodynamics, because they leave out a crucial part on the second law, and make a baseless assumption on the first.
The part that you omit from the second law is the fact that entropy only increases in a closed system, but neither the earth nor the universe is a closed system, so this doesn't apply.
In the first law, you're assuming that the universe came from nothing, and since we don't know what came before the universe, saying it came from nothing can't be proven.
I also fail to understand what this "max energy" is and how it implies a supernatural entity. The amount of energy has been the same since the beginning of the universe, or did you only like to refer to the first law of thermodynamics when it seemed to help your case?
Finally, what is it with apologists and equating atheism to a religion? We have no gods and no system of worship, it's that simple
Such a catchy tune! Had this song in my head all day at work and didn't dare sing a lick of it.
I just like to imagine sam watching this and yelling “OK OK ALRIGHT ALREADY I GET IT”
You like Tim your fellow dumbass. How sweet.
“Science adjusts its views based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."― Tim Minchin
Tim does not know what biblical faith is because he just does not care to know but he'd rather fart out lies.
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
His opening of "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed"
Tim is a liar. He believes his god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof it could. He cares NOTHING about what is observed. What a hypocrite!
His god claims to have given us the universe, fine-tuning of the universe for life, life from non-life, information for life before and after it began, the laws of nature, etc, etc, when we know that your god of nothing can do nothing. His god of nothing has nothing to offer and its followers only offer nothing of evidence for their god of nothing. That makes him nothing of importance but the followers of the god of nothing are so delusional that they think they do have something to offer to defend their god of nothing.
It doesn’t seem to work like that though does it?
@Stuart Bowes you are reported using my loco and name to post as if it was me.
@@2fast2block go off girl. He farts lies just like Biblical truthers. Except his is pleasing to the ears your version is just irritating.
@@crunchevo8974 so to a moron like you, all I wrote about Tim is incorrect by your evidence of...
"Except his is pleasing to the ears your version is just irritating."
So all I said about faith, creation, etc is wrong to you because to you it's irritating to think about.
So what is irritating about what biblical faith really means? Tim lying is better for you, why?
even the musicians in the background were captivated during the speech and entertained during their performance.
Makes me feel better for watching this show tons of times, if they can still be entertained even while performing then I'm clearly not an addict, but I am getting a bit shaky I paused the video to write this comment.
They looked pretty bored during the speech -- it wasn't that captivating -- and then focused on playing what they presumabley rehearsed. I'm sure they enjoyed playing, just like a typical orchestra enjoys playing what they play.
Volound This is one of the videos that affected my faith so much. As a Muslim at first I was convinced he 'saw the light' but eventually I appreciated the satire more without getting offended because it was just absolutely perfect.
Luke Harvey I am an Ex-muslim ;)
Ciorany good for you :)
8:32 is the best thing I've ever heard and I'm commenting so I can jump to it easily later
I find the whole orchestra saying "and that's extremely clear!" very funny