When I had covid, my family asked me what i was going to do during my quarantine, I kept replying, " I'll be in my bedroom making absolutely no noice and pretending I don't exist." Lol
As a European (German), Mallorca is just a nice vacation spot that Germans and Brits seem to really like. I think it is a little bit similar to how Americans go to Myrtle Beach. However, I think the main reason why they want a holiday home there is because of Petunia’s friend Yvonne who couldn’t take Harry the year before on Dudley’s birthday because she was on holiday in Mallorca. To me Petunia seems like the kind of woman who always has an underlying rivalry with any other woman even those she is supposedly friends with.
As a Spaniard I really just think it’s “they are British, they have to love Mallorca” 😅😂 Spanish people really see it as the standard destination for Germans and English people
I feel by not writing it as Majorca you're really taking away from how out of touch British people would say it. Everyone just go watch the third episode of Documentary Now season 4. Those people would be like the nicer Dursley's.
yeh it's like Australian's going to Bali or Americans visiting Hawaii but just staying in the resorts - no need to engage with people who don't speak English or face anything potentially difficult
1:07:30 OMG, I finally figured out what vibe Godric and Salazar give off! :D Merlin and Arthur! And it fits especially well, since Merlin (in this universe) canonically is a Slytherin and King Arthur (no matter if going from the legends or my fav TV show) would totally be in Gryffindor
I remember seeing a theory that the reason Salazar was so against bringing muggle-borns to Hogwarts was that he didn't trust them. That maybe he thought they would reveal to their muggle families the location of Hogwarts and lead to the muggles launching an attack on the castle. The theory also said the Chamber of Secrets could also have served as a final shelter with the ultimate locks and "guard dog". Then over the centuries as wizard/muggle relations cooled Slytherin's mistrust of Muggleborns got blown into the whole blood purity thing.
That's how I've always seen it. Information gets distorted over time and it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that a thousand years ago when the rest of the world viewed magic with such distain and hatred that Salazar would believe muggleborns would put the castle and institution that he was so proud of at risk of being destroyed.
About Dudley remembering Harry's birthday: The previous year, at midnight of July 31, 1991, a giant burst into the isolated island shack, presented Harry with a birthday cake, from which Dudley sneaked a piece, and magicked a pig's tail on Dudley's behind--and then took Harry away in the morning. I think Dudley would well remember Harry's birthday the next year. Vernon and Petunia remember it as the day a magical giant sprouted a tail on their son's rear end, which tail they had to have removed surgically. They probably remember Harry's 12th birthday but don't mention it out of habit, frustration, or revenge. In fact, overworking Harry on that day, having business guests over for a special dinner, and making Harry pretend not to exist on his birthday may be a crafted, or maybe subconscious, sort of revenge for the previous year.
My headcanon for the Founders and their contributions to the building wasn't so much a single room each, more each added their own flair. Gryffindor made the great hall, and the corridors, and the headmasters offices and all the grander spaces. Hufflepuff added the kitchens and cosy places for friends to gather, common rooms, gardens and trees in the courtyards, and tbh I would credit her with the Room of Requirement. It's just so useful for so much, but also humble and personal and without fanfare, classic Hufflepuff. Ravenclaw added the towers, classic eagle's nest style and so many of them are dedicated to knowledge and wisdom, the divination classroom, astronomy? Slytherin I think added the dungeons, dark places for secrets and schemes, but safety and security too. And he just sneaked the Chamber of Secrets in there too with some doomsday prepper energy. because you just MIGHT need a superweapon someday. Best to be prepared... ;)
The party happens so late because its mid-summer. The sun would be out until quite late, and most homes in the UK dont have air conditioning. Its common to hold dinner parties later in the evening during the summer to allow the home to cool a bit.
I don't credit the Dursleys at all for Harry's glasses. I imagine it was some teacher who told them that he needed glasses, and so they were forced to concede so *they* didn't seem anything but extremely normal to others. It's more selfishness on display that just happened to benefit Harry.
I had my eyes tested at school when I was 7 which was when it was discovered I needed glasses. You also have to know that NHS glasses were free for children, so it wouldn’t cost the Dursleys anything either.
I always remembered when I was a kid we had eye exams at school. If a problem was suspected they sent a letter home to our parents advising a further exam with an optometrist. Since England is covered by the NHS, it's possible that Harry was sent to the eye doctor from school and he basically handled it on his own. Yes, it's a stretch to think that a seven or eight year old got to the eye dr. without an adult but the kids are familiar with the buses and underground from a young age. I don't think he needed the Dursleys to pay for anything.
That's also why they're such unusual glasses, too. The Dursleys begrudgingly got him the glasses they were forced into getting but didn't allow him to get a pair that actually looked good as another form of punisment for Harry existing.
Harry's eyesight would have been caught by teachers, possibly even before the nurse's eye exam. His sight is bad enough that he wouldn't have been able to read off the chalkboard when asked to, but would likely have no problem reading from books. They would have noticed then and might have sent him to the nurse early, even before the standard exams. England's NHS provides free, if ugly, glasses for people. He just has the standard free pair because the Dursleys would never have bought something for Harry which could have been had for free.
Regarding Harry and the Dursleys taking him to the opticians, it is not uncommon for British schools to do a sight test on kids and recommend that kids go for an appointment. Glasses are free for kids, but in the past, the free options were limited to the stereotypical unstylish "nerdy" types, and you'd pay extra for nice ones. I like to imagine that the school forced the Dursleys hand in terms of sending him to the opticians, and they made him have that style, which is that "nerdy" style, just so they wouldn't have to pay.
The eye tests were done in schools in the US when I was growing up because more often than not teachers were the first to notice an issue with seeing the board or learning to read. Now knowing that it’s similar in the UK and that they take that one step further and have free eyewear for kids it feels totally normal as an expectation for him to get glasses if he needed them
@jtpadilla1 that's universal health care for ya! It always does make me laugh when J and Ben question things that Brits wouldn't even raise an eyebrow at. Another example from this chapter is questioning how rich you have to be to own a 2nd home in Spain. For info, it is exceedingly common, and you don't need to be mega rich to do it, moderately wealthy yes.
American schools can be the same way! At least in NY we had annual vision and hearing tests throughout elementary school (up until about 11 years old). That’s how my bad eye sight was observed and the school nurse sent out a note to my parents letting them know I needed eyeglasses
1:07:00 I have a better example of a good Slytherin. Andromeda Tonks. She literally turned her back on her family and their pure blood beliefs and married a muggle born, Ted Tonks. And her daughter, Nymphadora, was in the Order and died fighting for it.
a founder's series would be a dream come true. I imagine seeing them go on their own adventures and create pieces of magic and enchanted places that we know today, all with the tragic backdrop of the witch trials and the conflict between the muggle and the wizarding world.
The founders were active around the year 1000 and the massive witch trials we think of wouldn't start until at least 4 centuries later. In fact, magic wasn't illegal by itself, if I remember correctly. However, in our timeline, the Catholic Church maintained for a long time a skepticism of magic. Miracles not from God? However, in HP, this is pre-Statute of Secrecy (17th century, when there were Indeed witch hunts), so everyone should know about magic. How does that change things?
It has now become my Sunday routine to watch/listen to these chapter analyses while I wash dishes and prepare dinner. I love it! Keep up the good work guys!!!!!
Hi, listener from Sweden here! Interesting how unheard of Majorca seems to be in the states. Here (and in the UK of course) it’s a really common vacation destination. Very common for middle class people to travel to, often even going back once a year or so. To own a house there is not unheard of either, although it’s definitely more luxurious. Love the podcast!
It's partly because Majorca sounds like our state of Florida. Wealthier people often like to own a condo or second home near a beach in Florida and travel there in the winter to avoid the cold. It's extra popular among retirees. Our country is so big and varied in climate, people find it easier to stay here for vacations, but it just makes vacations to other countries seem extra "foreign and exotic". 😂
I don’t think Dudley remembers Harry’s birthday, I think he remembers that it was a year since he was given a pigs tale which was on Harry’s birthday. I think that makes more sense.
A pig's *tail* but-yes... I mean, he *was* trying to steal Harry's birthday cake, which inspired that bit of Transfiguration from Hagrid, so-yes, I DO think he remembered that, or at least, I'd *hope* he did; he can't be that bloody daft, can he? If he's making at least fair marks at Smeltings? :)
The sacrificial charm worked for Lily because Voldemort gave her a choice move out of the way and live, or stay in front of me and die with your son. It also worked for Harry because he had a choice to either come to the forest to die, or to run off and let the fight continue. In both cases Voldemort gave choices to the people that were putting the sacrificial charm. That is the key a choice must be given, I could have sworn this as mentioned in the book but I could be remembering something off of Pottermore
They mentioned that in one of the episodes. My thoughts about why Harry is special is that no one had ever survived Avada Kedavra. Maybe Dumbledore knew about the ancient magic because it had saved someone somewhere in history, but no one had ever survived Avada Kedavra specifically. So that's why Dumbledore knew about it, but Harry was still the only one
But then, I understand that Dumbledore had to work magic with that sacrifice in place to make a place in Petunia's home an absolute safeguard for Harry from Voldemort.
I always felt like the frying pan swipe was just lowkey attempted murder lol, even when I read the books as a kid. I don't know how to see it as anything else. Definitely worthy of a Dumbledore howler.
Love the show and lesson to it while I'm mountain biking every week. About the protection that Lilly put on Harry when Voldemort tried to kill him. The reason no one knows about that type of protection is because all other times it happened, the caster of the killing curse was killed in the rebound. Voldemort is a special case because of the horcruxes that kept him alive. The protection only protects against the person that casts the curse. If Valdemort let any deatheater kill Harry, he would have died, but as always, he keeps himself from winning.
It is revealed in Hogwarts Legacy, that Salazar Slytherin had another secret chamber in the castle, that being his personal scriptorium and office, where he studied Magic. The dude was all about making secret Chambers apparently.
Also the Room of Requirement seems like it was meant to be just as secret-it wasn’t a thing Umbridge and Filch were able to just go find without issue.
@@silsail if Hogwarts Mystery does then Hogwarts Legacy for sure does. J and Ben recently talked about how bothered they are about how much Hogwarts Mystery comes up. As far as the Carlin Brothers are concerned, the only Harry Potter media they do not consider to be canon is The Cursed Child. Clearly this is not the official answer, but in the context of the channel, this is the answer. The thing that bothers me personally the most about Hogwarts Legacy being canon is the surrounding hamlets which clearly are not there in the books and movies, and in the game are populated by all magical folks when we know Hogsmeade is the only all-magical village in the UK.
It's my Husband, Alex's birthday today and we are staying in a little cabin listening to this! We love all of your videos. Ive never read the books but love the films. Alex has been showing me his favourite chapters from all of the books. We are from the UK!Thank you very much for sharing!
Love the review question! I think I’m leaning that Jr was in Ravenclaw. While he used his cunning to deceive this was hard and didn’t come easy. I think his intelligence and creativity are what he leverage more when coming up with and executing this very elaborate plan. I do think that Sr was definitely a Slytherin. Really his main characteristic was his career/political ambition and this was ultimately his downfall. Not that he was wrong, but he was blinded by his ambition. And then again blinded when trying to hide his secret once he helped his son escape. PS would love a video breaking down the subtle differences between house traits i.e. cunning v intelligence, chivalry v loyalty, ambitious v daring.
The reverse highlighting is helpful for the kids like me who didn’t read the books in order. We were on vacation with my cousins and I had finished all of the books that I brought but my cousin had Prisoner so I borrowed it to have something to read. The recap at the beginning helped me get a little background. lol.
I love that Steven Fry pronounces Majorca differently in the UK audiobook depending on whether he is narrating or being Vernon Dursley in character. He nails how Vernon would pronounce it (as presumably someone less well educated).
@@Voe9 That’s not grammatically correct for the English language though. There’s no j in Mallorca so the pronunciation would change if it was spelt like that, likewise if you changed it to Mayorca so in this instance Majorca is correct in order of create the necessary sounds for the correct pronunciation, though depending how well taught someone is on English they might not realise the way it should be pronounced and so will put a heavy emphasis on the J.
@@Voe9 I just looked in the American versions and in both books it is spelled as Majorca. Google search says both spellings are valid. Language is weird.
This was actually how I was introduced to HP in the first place. My mom got into the series and was consistently trying to get me into it, but the way she described it made it seem like generic fantasy junk I had no interest in at the time. Finally she sat me down and read me this chapter, and it blew my expectations so far out of the water that I was hooked.
I absolutely love this podcast. Great way to reread the books at a slow pace! I've got a question and maybe I'm being stupid but why does "neither can live while the other survives" mean one needs to kill the other? It's always bugged me. I understand it as "neither can come to full power while the other is alive"... Why does it mean they have to die at each other's hands???
Ooh, so happy to see this video! I'm down with Covid (for the second time in two months!) and listening to you makes me feel so much better! Sending you lots of love from Poland
I don't know about England, but I'm from Sweden and I think the most common way to serve things would be directly from a pot or a pan unless you're having a nicer party. If it's just your regular everyday breakfast or dinner, why would you dirty another dish? Even if you had friends over as a kid or were the guest in a friends house that was how everyone served their food, just lift the pot or pan from the stove over to the table. Now we wouldn't place a hot pan straight on the table, we'd have a trivet, usually made of cork, but I've seen both wool and metal as well, in-between to protect the table from heat, but we wouldn't bother moving whatever from the pot itself. I could maybe see the argument for bacon if you want to have it on a piece of paper first to suck up some of that grease, but if you want greasy bacon or don't mind then there's no real reason.
@@Chris-ks4sw not eat, but serve straight from the pot or pan. We wouldn’t have a serving dish, but we would have our own plates, which seems to be what is happening at the Dursleys here.
It's the same in Italy. If it's informal (just those who live there, or close friends), you bring the pot/pan to the table on a "poggiapentola" (potholder? pot-putter? pot-placer? Poggiare means to put/place something down), which is usually woven straw, cork, metal nets, woven straw with a ceramic "tile" on top, etc. It's just something you use to prevent the table -or tablecloth if you're using one- from getting burn marks or getting melted
We know that Draco and his parents write at least weekly, and knowing they were death eaters, it probably wouldn’t have been a secret topic for Draco to find out exactly what kind of person Harry is. Though they did try to protect their son from the messy bits, they would have been at least steering him to do certain things regarding Harry. Behind closed doors, they would have had convos about whether they try to cultivate this child and get access to him to make sure he is aligned with Voldemort’s goals. In the worst case scenario to them, where Harry does in fact prove himself to be infallible to Voldemort’s teachings, what is the best way to snuff this child out quickly to earn Voldemort’s higher favor, and possibly bring him back sooner? These were probably convos they had had in their household at least all year, and probably writing to Drsco prodding him for info. He would have written to them about EVERYTHING. I am absolutely certain that AS SOON AS, what happened with Quirrell was known, Draco would have written to his parents about it, even before the House Cup was announced. I am going to assume that Dobby had this growing fear and sense of what was happening well before the summer started. Of course he heard Narcissa reading these letters aloud all year from her son at Hogwarts to her husband, discussing what to do, how to bring the dark lord back, possibly they could use that fool Weasley’s child as bait. From Draco’s letters, Ron and Harry were described as close. Dobby would have put the pieces together and set his own plan in motion before Draco even got home, likely before they even left Hogwarts.
About the Barry crouch jr question, I thought I’d weigh in that your traits don’t matter in your sorting but instead the traits that you VALUE, and Barry Crouch is OBSESSED with loyalty, to the point where he hates all of his old colleagues for their disloyalties and even breaks his disguise when outraged that the disloyal death eaters weren’t punished. He even repeatedly refers to himself as lord voldemorts most loyal servant.
I know it’s only a week between episodes/chapters but it somehow feels soooo much longer. It always makes me happy inside when I see a new chapter is up.
Totally love this podcast and super interested what you will uncover in this book. As a German I can say that Mallorca is a holiday island that many Europeans love. Many come to party (bachelor parties etc.), but also it's stunningly beautiful and has many family hotels. Spending your holiday there is very much middle class, but buying a house there is something football stars do. Also I love whenever you ask yourself is it a Harry Potter or a british thing, cause I found out many things over the years that I thought were from the Harry Potter universe that in reality were just british. Looking forward to many more episodes.
- In addition to what you said about it being a year-and-a-half (ish) since the last book came out when it was first published, Rowling also had to set the stage for those readers who hadn't read the first book at all. - It has literally been a thousand years since the founding of Hogwarts, *of course* new things will have been discovered since then. - Harry's iconic round glasses are and have been a staple for British culture for literally decades before Harry existed. John Lennon wore the same glasses. They were the standard glasses provide by the British NHS. The Durlsey's got Harry the cheapest glasses they were legally allowed to, short of not getting him glasses at all which was (probably) illegal -- as his caretakers they had certain legal obligations to take care of him. - Maybe Lucius Malfoy assigned Dobby to spy on Harry and then Dobby took it upon himself to intercept the letters. Plus there's a British tradition amongst the upper classes that the servants basically aren't people They're furniture. You can talk freely in front of the and they're not expected to know anything or pay attention unless they're specifically called upon to do their job. House-elves are an extension/exaggeration of that.
At the end of the episode I feel like Ben and J have forgotten the negatives of Crouch because J says the wizarding world would have been better off with him as Minister of Magic because while he's severe he's also effective. Keep in mind that Crouch sent Sirius to Azkaban without a trial and he allowed the use of the unforgiveable curses against the death eaters...something that not only was Dumbledore against but also Moody. He's a very "the end justifies the means" whatever the means are, even if you become what you're fighting.
@@maofamily6509 No he wouldn't. The prophecy would have still been in play. He MIGHT have been more willing to accept Voldemort's return, but it was ALWAYS going to be down to Harry (or Neville) to defeat him.
On the one hand your're right, he was all for it to use unforgivable curses against Death Eaters, but you also have to see how despaired the Ministry was to fight off and prevent the Ministry to fall in to Voldemorts hands. Unlike the second Wizarding War, the Ministry hasn't fallen. So they did do a good job somehow. And the situation with Sirius was odd, because Sirius didn't defend himself. All evidence they had and that included word from Dumbledore, the most well-known und respected wizard alive, lead to believe that Sirius must be guilty. I think Dumbledore and Moody as Gryffindors were too noble to use unforgivable curses. It speaks for the fact that Crouch was definitely not in Gryffindor house.
You know when hermione says “harry you eyesight really is horrible “ or something like that before the battle of 7 potters. It had to be so bad the Dursley’s simply had to take him out of convenience😂
I share a birthday with Neville, the best character. Also, when the books started coming out, I was the same age as Harry and friends until we got to book 5 and there started being 2-3 years between book releases
I see the Gryffindor/Slytherin friendship play out like Clarke, Kent and Lex Luthor in Smallville, completely different worlds and attitudes, but there is a deep respect for the other, and a somewhat desire to be like the other, until that fatal crack in the friendship that there is no going back from
14:29 - Ben, for years and years, the way I dealt with my grief over the series ending, was, immediately upon closing book 7, I would open book 1 and start again.
Maybe Dobby can keep popping over to Harry’s while technically not defying the Malfoy family is that making Harry miserable and feeling isolated would please Draco . Harry, I’m pretty sure, speculates that Draco sent Dobby.
As you go through CoS, there are two items that I remember questioning the last time I read the book. First, I believe Ron adds no positive activities in the entire book. Every idea he has goes wrong, he is incapable of doing magic due to broken wand, and he contributes nothing to solving the mystery. Second, I find Harry's attitude towards colin out of character. Harry is one year away from feeling insecure about his place in the wizzarding world. But he scoffs at colins questions about quidich, has a complete lack of empathy for a small first year that knows nothing about wizzarding world.
@@kduncanskiI kinda wonder if they don’t have a ledger with the students in dumbledores office that says where they’re at in a similar vein to the Weasley clock? “In transit” “in bed” “in danger” etc. would be an easy way to catch students out of bed but if it’s in dumbledores office it can probably only be used in extreme circumstances like “we need to find this student to send them home for a family emergency”
On the phenomena-ness of the books, i remember being in a study hall and having finished all my work so opted to read. I parused tge book shelf and found the chamber of secrets. Only a few pages in i realized that this was a different kind of read and decided to hunt for the first book. Thanks chamber, for opening the griffin door.
Both Barty Crouch Jr. and Sr. are as Hufflepuff as you can possibly be. Both demonstrate that they value loyalty: Senior places abidance to the Law higher than the love for his son. Junior is notoriously Voldemort's most loyal servant. Both demonstrate that they value hard work: Senior is known in the Ministry as one of the most efficient workers: he led Department of Magical Law Enforcement during the First Wizarding War, and made a reputation for himself as one of the greatest enemies of those who practice Dark Arts. And when the war was over, he transferred to a completely different department and still excelled at his job. Junior spends an entire year disguised as different person. He managed to learn Moody's personality and mannerisms so well, that even Dumbledore didn't suspect anything. Both demonstrate that they value fair game: Senior's insistence on everything being done by the book is well known. Junior is outraged at Death Eaters who wriggled their way out of Azkaban: it wasn't just a question of loyalty, in his view if you were caught, you should be proud to go to prison. Both demonstrate that they value dedication. Senior was pretty much the only wizard at the Quidditch World Cup who managed a flawless disguise as a muggle: when Harry first meets him, he thinks that even Uncle Vernon wouldn't recognize a wizard. Junior, once again, takes part in a very long and complicated scheme, and nobody suspects him. Crouches are a pure-blood family and are listed among The Sacred Twenty Eight. But I don't think they really match Slytherin.
I like this theory, I am torn now between this and the stated Slitherin theory in this vid, both great points! Maybe one day we’ll find out, but as a token Hufflepuff, Slytherin can keep em 😅
31:00 As an author trying to write my own series, keeping huge secrets from the reader is THE most fun thing you can do. Especially coming up with, let's just say Sleight of hand, that keeps readers from learning the truth while trying to leave enough clues so that when they finally discover the secret, they slap themselves for not following the breadcrumbs down the right path. I guarantee that most if not all authors actually enjoy keeping secrets from the reader. The hard part is figuring out how to keep a twist hidden the whole time, all the while making sure the reader has enough information that they could make proper guesses. It like playing a game with the reader, and what is more fun that that?
I heard somewhere in an video about "one's unpopular opinions" the theory, that Slytherin was right with his distrust of muggleborn witches and wizards, as they lived durin the beginning of the witchs's persecution.
I agree somewhat, but Slytherin carried it too far. Rather than try to kill Muggle-borns, the right approach would be to help them navigate their two worlds.
Your discussion about all of the founders having a special part of the castle that they designed themselves made me remember that Slytherin has 2 secret rooms. He has the Chamber, but as Legacy reveals, he also had the Scriptorium. I wonder what other secrets have yet to be revealed to us and if the other founders also had secret rooms
Hello from a long time fan from Russia lol Honestly, I remember reading the first chapter in Chamber of Secrets as a child and thinking ' I know it already, c'mon!'. But then some detail was mentioned that I totally forgot and I was like 'wait, that did happen and I forgot...'
Since you're talking about making Harry presentable and the Dursleys could use him to show they have empathy and stuff. It's also so weird like everyone is so okay with the little boy in the neighborhood looking so thin, beaten up (from Dudley) and with torn clothes. Were no teachers or neighbors ever worried? If the Dursleys want to seem normal, it would make much more sense to push Harry in this normality too
I don't think in the books it is actually mentioned the cloths are torn just that they are to big. Also I am pretty sure back then people thought boys be boys if they noticed one beating up the other.
When it comes to all the information that is "withheld" I have always wondered if it was truly J.K keeping it secret or if she just kinda made it up as she wrote the books. For example with the dementors, she might have decided in the third book to use some dark creature and if they are important to the story they need a name so she made one up at that time, instead of sitting on it as a "secret" since the first book.
One thing about the chamber of secrets is the entrance opens up a sink with snake marks on the water tap and pipes BUT there was no indoor plumbing 1000 years ago, so... you know, how did slytherin create this part? Or did Voldemort add that part when he discovered the chamber?
I believe Pottermore had an article saying that one of Slytherin's descendents was responsible for designing the secret bathroom entrance when plumbing was installed
I like to think the Dursley’s just grabbed him a pair of glasses from the pharmacy but weren’t concerned if they helped him or not. It’s really just something to deal with the school telling them he needs glasses. An his own magic fixed them. Oculus reparo.
I think the relationship between Dudley and Harry is fundamentally different than the relationship between the elder Dursleys and Harry. They're peers. They're almost the same age. To me, this feels like a rivalry between siblings that hate each other because their parents have always pitted them against each other. There's that hate. There's the rivalry that goes along with it. But there's also a connection that comes from being part of the same familial dysfunction.
Hiiiii brothers! I love your videos and this podcast is absolutely awesome! I don't think polijuice potion gives short memory of the person you turn into, cause if that would be the case, then Ron in Deathly Hallows would have remembered the wife's trial and I don't even think that gives more of the character traits, cause otherwise Hermione would have been more "Bellatrixy" when going into Gringott's! I think Barry Crouch Jr. is simply very good at what he does and probably either known Moody (I don't think they would attend hogwarts together, but I can't remember their age gap atm) or studied him very well (Moody was a pretty famous auror anyway). I think the sorting hat had a hard time sorting him, cause I think he has a lot of both Slytherin and Ravenclaw!
I would like to expand on the theory of a secret keeper for the chamber. First it couldn't have simply been the locket because then how was Harry able to find it. Instead I think that Slytherine himself was the secret keeper and since he only entrusted the secrets to his heirs upon his (as well as all of the heirs' deaths) the secret keeper became the next in line in the Slytherine bloodline. Tom Riddle was an heir. He told Ginny weasley (sort of). Harry was a horcrux so he was also a secret keeper himself so he was able to tell Ron and Lockhart. A consequence of this theory is that, even after Harry's second year, only those who either Harry or Voldemort told are able to know about the chamber's location and contents. Pitfalls which have to be dealt with: The first isn't so hard to wriggle out of. How was Hermine able to figure out that the monster was a basalisk if that was part of the secret. Can a secret keeper be a secret keeper without knowing the secret himself. (This might be getting into the weeds on how horcruxes work.) How did Fawkes know about it? (I'd like to make up some story which involves Salazar Slytherine showing Fawkes the chamber, perhaps also in order to use his tears.)
Tune in every week huge fan of the books and your main channel so this podcast is awesome I notice something new each week and you guys got me reading the books and listening to the audiobooks again so thank you for the good content across all media
In terms of the good Slytherins things, I would have loved if it was revealed that Dumbledore was in Slytherin. I don’t think it is ever mentioned in the books that he was in Griffindor but I may be wrong about that. With all the information revealed in the ‘Life and Lies of Dumbledore’ one detailed might have been that he was in Slytherin which would have been pretty juicy for what Rita Skeeter was going for. Dumbledore does seem more of a Slytherin than Griffindor. He is very cunning, resourceful, determined, ambitious, self confident. I never really saw Dumbledore as particularly ‘brave’. I just thought of him as having such mastery over magic that he didn’t need to be ‘scared’. He had self belief and trusted himself to be resourceful and find a solution to any problem he may face. Even his plans with Grindelwald of ‘taking over’ and the phrase ‘for the greater good’ have a Slytherin sense of pride and haughtiness that ‘I know what is best for everyone’. He even says he didn’t take the minister for magic position because he learnt that ‘I cannot be trusted with power’. It will also line up with the core lesson of this particular book ‘It is not our abilities it that define who we are, it is our choices’. Him being in Griffindor seems like just yeah he was in the hero house and not very interesting imo.
In the 90’s in the uk children’s eyes were tested at school as part of the nhs, then certain frames were free (others you paid additionally for), so Harry’s iconic round glasses are just free nhs glasses he would have been given through his primary school with no extra effort from the dursleys. Also yes, Mallorca is the equivalent of retiring to Florida for brits (especially in the 90’s)
Love this!! I’m such a nerd and can’t find anyone who wants to discuss HP as much as I do😂 So this podcast makes me so happy as you really go into the depth of this amazing story! Thank you and keep up the great work👍 Something I’ve been thinking about, in goblet of fire (i think) Voldemort says something like he was waiting for a deatheater to come looking for their master so that they could help him return to power, but if he was able to get to Albania from England without a body (twice!), why couldn’t he just have gone to like the Malfoy house instead? Or to the Lestranges right after he first fell, they hadn’t been arrested yet at that point. Can’t wait for the next episode! Love from Sweden
@Hpcake "nerd" used to mean a very book smart person who's into science. kinda like Hermione , or more so. Today, people say they're nerds just because they like certain series or movies....
Iam so excited for this one. Chamber is my favorite book in the series. I love the opening chapter because it so perfectly mirrors the opening of the previous book. Dudley's birthday is so overblown and even though he gets special treatment every other day he gets even more on his birthday. For Harry the abuse just gets worse on his birthday because it reminds his aunt and uncle of all the resentment they feel. It's also I think a realistic portrayal of things getting worse before they get better. Harry's 11th birthday was the exception that proves the rule. The other reasons that I love Chamber is that it genuinely scared the crap out of me. I was terrified of the monster because unlike Voldemort it was a complete mystery. I was terrified of the spiders. And the diary was the most insidious thing of all. A book that can pretend to be your friend while secretly manipulating you and stealing your life? Horrible. The first few times I read it I had to look both ways before sneaking downstairs to get snacks. That was how I learned I loved horror books.
As a youth I had a lot of trouble finding a copy of Sorcerer’s Stone because the series was such a big deal. I was resistant to bandwagoning Potter back then but was very curious. While I couldn’t find SS, I easily tracked down COS. So this chapter was my first exposure to Potter. So I greatly appreciated the recap nature of this chapter. It let me know important things I missed. Funniest thing about starting with Chamber though is that I completely missed that Hagrid was huge. I just thought he was a typical older guy. My mind made him look kinda like Mark Rylance.
I have a similar headcannon that Jay mentioned. I think the Basilisk was supposed to protect the school against dark wizards and Voldemort just assumed it was for killing muggle-borns because of his pure blood bias.
When I had covid, my family asked me what i was going to do during my quarantine, I kept replying, " I'll be in my bedroom making absolutely no noice and pretending I don't exist." Lol
As a European (German), Mallorca is just a nice vacation spot that Germans and Brits seem to really like. I think it is a little bit similar to how Americans go to Myrtle Beach. However, I think the main reason why they want a holiday home there is because of Petunia’s friend Yvonne who couldn’t take Harry the year before on Dudley’s birthday because she was on holiday in Mallorca. To me Petunia seems like the kind of woman who always has an underlying rivalry with any other woman even those she is supposedly friends with.
Agree Completely
Mallorca is the Epitome of Stereotypical Middle Class Beach Vacations without having to engage with local culture
As a Spaniard I really just think it’s “they are British, they have to love Mallorca” 😅😂 Spanish people really see it as the standard destination for Germans and English people
Indeed! Ich komme auch aus Deutschland 🇩🇪
I feel by not writing it as Majorca you're really taking away from how out of touch British people would say it. Everyone just go watch the third episode of Documentary Now season 4. Those people would be like the nicer Dursley's.
yeh it's like Australian's going to Bali or Americans visiting Hawaii but just staying in the resorts - no need to engage with people who don't speak English or face anything potentially difficult
1:07:30 OMG, I finally figured out what vibe Godric and Salazar give off! :D Merlin and Arthur! And it fits especially well, since Merlin (in this universe) canonically is a Slytherin and King Arthur (no matter if going from the legends or my fav TV show) would totally be in Gryffindor
I remember seeing a theory that the reason Salazar was so against bringing muggle-borns to Hogwarts was that he didn't trust them. That maybe he thought they would reveal to their muggle families the location of Hogwarts and lead to the muggles launching an attack on the castle. The theory also said the Chamber of Secrets could also have served as a final shelter with the ultimate locks and "guard dog". Then over the centuries as wizard/muggle relations cooled Slytherin's mistrust of Muggleborns got blown into the whole blood purity thing.
That’s interesting thought
That's how I've always seen it. Information gets distorted over time and it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that a thousand years ago when the rest of the world viewed magic with such distain and hatred that Salazar would believe muggleborns would put the castle and institution that he was so proud of at risk of being destroyed.
About Dudley remembering Harry's birthday:
The previous year, at midnight of July 31, 1991, a giant burst into the isolated island shack, presented Harry with a birthday cake, from which Dudley sneaked a piece, and magicked a pig's tail on Dudley's behind--and then took Harry away in the morning. I think Dudley would well remember Harry's birthday the next year.
Vernon and Petunia remember it as the day a magical giant sprouted a tail on their son's rear end, which tail they had to have removed surgically. They probably remember Harry's 12th birthday but don't mention it out of habit, frustration, or revenge. In fact, overworking Harry on that day, having business guests over for a special dinner, and making Harry pretend not to exist on his birthday may be a crafted, or maybe subconscious, sort of revenge for the previous year.
Yeah I was thinking something similar
I love how Vernon shouts "Do I look stupid?" in this chapter and Harry replies "Are you actually as stupid as you look?" in Deathly Hallows chapter 3.
Wow, that is an impressive link to spot.
My headcanon for the Founders and their contributions to the building wasn't so much a single room each, more each added their own flair. Gryffindor made the great hall, and the corridors, and the headmasters offices and all the grander spaces. Hufflepuff added the kitchens and cosy places for friends to gather, common rooms, gardens and trees in the courtyards, and tbh I would credit her with the Room of Requirement. It's just so useful for so much, but also humble and personal and without fanfare, classic Hufflepuff. Ravenclaw added the towers, classic eagle's nest style and so many of them are dedicated to knowledge and wisdom, the divination classroom, astronomy? Slytherin I think added the dungeons, dark places for secrets and schemes, but safety and security too. And he just sneaked the Chamber of Secrets in there too with some doomsday prepper energy. because you just MIGHT need a superweapon someday. Best to be prepared... ;)
The party happens so late because its mid-summer. The sun would be out until quite late, and most homes in the UK dont have air conditioning. Its common to hold dinner parties later in the evening during the summer to allow the home to cool a bit.
I don't credit the Dursleys at all for Harry's glasses. I imagine it was some teacher who told them that he needed glasses, and so they were forced to concede so *they* didn't seem anything but extremely normal to others. It's more selfishness on display that just happened to benefit Harry.
Yes exactly!!! 👏👏
I had my eyes tested at school when I was 7 which was when it was discovered I needed glasses. You also have to know that NHS glasses were free for children, so it wouldn’t cost the Dursleys anything either.
I always remembered when I was a kid we had eye exams at school. If a problem was suspected they sent a letter home to our parents advising a further exam with an optometrist. Since England is covered by the NHS, it's possible that Harry was sent to the eye doctor from school and he basically handled it on his own. Yes, it's a stretch to think that a seven or eight year old got to the eye dr. without an adult but the kids are familiar with the buses and underground from a young age. I don't think he needed the Dursleys to pay for anything.
That's also why they're such unusual glasses, too. The Dursleys begrudgingly got him the glasses they were forced into getting but didn't allow him to get a pair that actually looked good as another form of punisment for Harry existing.
Harry's eyesight would have been caught by teachers, possibly even before the nurse's eye exam. His sight is bad enough that he wouldn't have been able to read off the chalkboard when asked to, but would likely have no problem reading from books. They would have noticed then and might have sent him to the nurse early, even before the standard exams.
England's NHS provides free, if ugly, glasses for people. He just has the standard free pair because the Dursleys would never have bought something for Harry which could have been had for free.
Regarding Harry and the Dursleys taking him to the opticians, it is not uncommon for British schools to do a sight test on kids and recommend that kids go for an appointment. Glasses are free for kids, but in the past, the free options were limited to the stereotypical unstylish "nerdy" types, and you'd pay extra for nice ones. I like to imagine that the school forced the Dursleys hand in terms of sending him to the opticians, and they made him have that style, which is that "nerdy" style, just so they wouldn't have to pay.
The eye tests were done in schools in the US when I was growing up because more often than not teachers were the first to notice an issue with seeing the board or learning to read. Now knowing that it’s similar in the UK and that they take that one step further and have free eyewear for kids it feels totally normal as an expectation for him to get glasses if he needed them
@jtpadilla1 that's universal health care for ya!
It always does make me laugh when J and Ben question things that Brits wouldn't even raise an eyebrow at.
Another example from this chapter is questioning how rich you have to be to own a 2nd home in Spain. For info, it is exceedingly common, and you don't need to be mega rich to do it, moderately wealthy yes.
American schools can be the same way! At least in NY we had annual vision and hearing tests throughout elementary school (up until about 11 years old). That’s how my bad eye sight was observed and the school nurse sent out a note to my parents letting them know I needed eyeglasses
1:07:00 I have a better example of a good Slytherin. Andromeda Tonks. She literally turned her back on her family and their pure blood beliefs and married a muggle born, Ted Tonks. And her daughter, Nymphadora, was in the Order and died fighting for it.
Love Andromeda. She's such an overlooked character that actually seemed to have good morals and values (despite naming her child Nymphadora).
Or Regulus Black
Andromeda Black would be a very interesting Slytherin to explore!
currently watching this while burning my pretty obvious candle and loving every second
a founder's series would be a dream come true. I imagine seeing them go on their own adventures and create pieces of magic and enchanted places that we know today, all with the tragic backdrop of the witch trials and the conflict between the muggle and the wizarding world.
If done right. After the fantastic beasts debacle, Id rather they just left HP alone.
The founders were active around the year 1000 and the massive witch trials we think of wouldn't start until at least 4 centuries later. In fact, magic wasn't illegal by itself, if I remember correctly.
However, in our timeline, the Catholic Church maintained for a long time a skepticism of magic. Miracles not from God? However, in HP, this is pre-Statute of Secrecy (17th century, when there were Indeed witch hunts), so everyone should know about magic. How does that change things?
It has now become my Sunday routine to watch/listen to these chapter analyses while I wash dishes and prepare dinner. I love it! Keep up the good work guys!!!!!
Hi, listener from Sweden here!
Interesting how unheard of Majorca seems to be in the states. Here (and in the UK of course) it’s a really common vacation destination. Very common for middle class people to travel to, often even going back once a year or so. To own a house there is not unheard of either, although it’s definitely more luxurious.
Love the podcast!
It's partly because Majorca sounds like our state of Florida. Wealthier people often like to own a condo or second home near a beach in Florida and travel there in the winter to avoid the cold. It's extra popular among retirees.
Our country is so big and varied in climate, people find it easier to stay here for vacations, but it just makes vacations to other countries seem extra "foreign and exotic". 😂
I don’t think Dudley remembers Harry’s birthday, I think he remembers that it was a year since he was given a pigs tale which was on Harry’s birthday. I think that makes more sense.
A pig's *tail* but-yes... I mean, he *was* trying to steal Harry's birthday cake, which inspired that bit of Transfiguration from Hagrid, so-yes, I DO think he remembered that, or at least, I'd *hope* he did; he can't be that bloody daft, can he? If he's making at least fair marks at Smeltings? :)
I think Dudley writes down Harry’s birthday just so that he can taunt him about not being noticed/special on that day
That would definitely make that day memorable!
Sorry, but... having just read the book, again, last month, I DO believe that the author mentioned the Cake stealing... :(
@user-os2gm6hv9lwow didn’t believe you until i checked that’s crazy. why wouldn’t he just do it to Vernon instead
I'm Russian and I go back and listen to your podcasts again on a background when I need to do household chores cause you're so calming and enjoyable
I've lived in Mallorca for many years. We get a ton of British and German tourist. It's always amusing to see references to It in Harry Potter.
The sacrificial charm worked for Lily because Voldemort gave her a choice move out of the way and live, or stay in front of me and die with your son. It also worked for Harry because he had a choice to either come to the forest to die, or to run off and let the fight continue. In both cases Voldemort gave choices to the people that were putting the sacrificial charm. That is the key a choice must be given, I could have sworn this as mentioned in the book but I could be remembering something off of Pottermore
Which is why other deaths like Sirius wouldn’t have been able to do it. Maybe Dumbledore’s death would have been able to as he chose to die.
They mentioned that in one of the episodes. My thoughts about why Harry is special is that no one had ever survived Avada Kedavra. Maybe Dumbledore knew about the ancient magic because it had saved someone somewhere in history, but no one had ever survived Avada Kedavra specifically.
So that's why Dumbledore knew about it, but Harry was still the only one
But then, I understand that Dumbledore had to work magic with that sacrifice in place to make a place in Petunia's home an absolute safeguard for Harry from Voldemort.
I always felt like the frying pan swipe was just lowkey attempted murder lol, even when I read the books as a kid. I don't know how to see it as anything else. Definitely worthy of a Dumbledore howler.
Agree!
This episode just made me want the founders series even more(by y'all)
Love the show and lesson to it while I'm mountain biking every week. About the protection that Lilly put on Harry when Voldemort tried to kill him. The reason no one knows about that type of protection is because all other times it happened, the caster of the killing curse was killed in the rebound. Voldemort is a special case because of the horcruxes that kept him alive. The protection only protects against the person that casts the curse. If Valdemort let any deatheater kill Harry, he would have died, but as always, he keeps himself from winning.
It is revealed in Hogwarts Legacy, that Salazar Slytherin had another secret chamber in the castle, that being his personal scriptorium and office, where he studied Magic. The dude was all about making secret Chambers apparently.
Also the Room of Requirement seems like it was meant to be just as secret-it wasn’t a thing Umbridge and Filch were able to just go find without issue.
The thing is: does Hogwarts Legacy count as canon? Because I don't think so
@@silsail if Hogwarts Mystery does then Hogwarts Legacy for sure does. J and Ben recently talked about how bothered they are about how much Hogwarts Mystery comes up. As far as the Carlin Brothers are concerned, the only Harry Potter media they do not consider to be canon is The Cursed Child. Clearly this is not the official answer, but in the context of the channel, this is the answer.
The thing that bothers me personally the most about Hogwarts Legacy being canon is the surrounding hamlets which clearly are not there in the books and movies, and in the game are populated by all magical folks when we know Hogsmeade is the only all-magical village in the UK.
@@silsail Basically, any story introduced by the broader 'Wizarding World' label is canon. Hogwarts Legacy is Wizarding World.
The movies aren't even canon to the books. What movie video game is ever not an off fascimile of the original property?
It's my Husband, Alex's birthday today and we are staying in a little cabin listening to this! We love all of your videos. Ive never read the books but love the films. Alex has been showing me his favourite chapters from all of the books. We are from the UK!Thank you very much for sharing!
Russian fan here 🖐 Thought I was the one of the few, but good to know there are many of us)
Great support for you guys!
Love the review question! I think I’m leaning that Jr was in Ravenclaw. While he used his cunning to deceive this was hard and didn’t come easy. I think his intelligence and creativity are what he leverage more when coming up with and executing this very elaborate plan. I do think that Sr was definitely a Slytherin. Really his main characteristic was his career/political ambition and this was ultimately his downfall. Not that he was wrong, but he was blinded by his ambition. And then again blinded when trying to hide his secret once he helped his son escape.
PS would love a video breaking down the subtle differences between house traits i.e. cunning v intelligence, chivalry v loyalty, ambitious v daring.
The reverse highlighting is helpful for the kids like me who didn’t read the books in order. We were on vacation with my cousins and I had finished all of the books that I brought but my cousin had Prisoner so I borrowed it to have something to read. The recap at the beginning helped me get a little background. lol.
I love that Steven Fry pronounces Majorca differently in the UK audiobook depending on whether he is narrating or being Vernon Dursley in character. He nails how Vernon would pronounce it (as presumably someone less well educated).
@FabienBlin In English it's called Majorca though, which is why you get the pronunciation differences
@@Voe9 That’s not grammatically correct for the English language though.
There’s no j in Mallorca so the pronunciation would change if it was spelt like that, likewise if you changed it to Mayorca so in this instance Majorca is correct in order of create the necessary sounds for the correct pronunciation, though depending how well taught someone is on English they might not realise the way it should be pronounced and so will put a heavy emphasis on the J.
@@Voe9You explained pronunciation, you don't need the shitty emoji to justify yourself like having knowledge is a crime.
@@Voe9 I just looked in the American versions and in both books it is spelled as Majorca. Google search says both spellings are valid. Language is weird.
@@Voe9 in the books it does have it with a J.
What a treat on the day I am finally well again after being sick all week!
This was actually how I was introduced to HP in the first place. My mom got into the series and was consistently trying to get me into it, but the way she described it made it seem like generic fantasy junk I had no interest in at the time. Finally she sat me down and read me this chapter, and it blew my expectations so far out of the water that I was hooked.
I absolutely love this podcast. Great way to reread the books at a slow pace! I've got a question and maybe I'm being stupid but why does "neither can live while the other survives" mean one needs to kill the other? It's always bugged me. I understand it as "neither can come to full power while the other is alive"... Why does it mean they have to die at each other's hands???
Because Voldemort will never stop hunting Harry. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy
My head cannon is that Slytherin is just like Hagrid loves magical beasts and the bigger and scarier the better!
We need a scene in the founder series of Salazar scolding the basilisk in parseltongue like a cat owner
Ooh, so happy to see this video! I'm down with Covid (for the second time in two months!) and listening to you makes me feel so much better! Sending you lots of love from Poland
I don't know about England, but I'm from Sweden and I think the most common way to serve things would be directly from a pot or a pan unless you're having a nicer party. If it's just your regular everyday breakfast or dinner, why would you dirty another dish? Even if you had friends over as a kid or were the guest in a friends house that was how everyone served their food, just lift the pot or pan from the stove over to the table. Now we wouldn't place a hot pan straight on the table, we'd have a trivet, usually made of cork, but I've seen both wool and metal as well, in-between to protect the table from heat, but we wouldn't bother moving whatever from the pot itself. I could maybe see the argument for bacon if you want to have it on a piece of paper first to suck up some of that grease, but if you want greasy bacon or don't mind then there's no real reason.
You would eat straight from the pot/pan?
@@Chris-ks4sw not eat, but serve straight from the pot or pan. We wouldn’t have a serving dish, but we would have our own plates, which seems to be what is happening at the Dursleys here.
It's the same in Italy. If it's informal (just those who live there, or close friends), you bring the pot/pan to the table on a "poggiapentola" (potholder? pot-putter? pot-placer? Poggiare means to put/place something down), which is usually woven straw, cork, metal nets, woven straw with a ceramic "tile" on top, etc. It's just something you use to prevent the table -or tablecloth if you're using one- from getting burn marks or getting melted
@@Chris-ks4sw Not eat. But it's preaty normal to put it on the table so anyone can just take stuff from it onto their plates.
I'm from Queens, NY, USA. Occasionally, especially for holiday meals, my family would place a pot or pan on the table on a trivet or a serving tray.
We know that Draco and his parents write at least weekly, and knowing they were death eaters, it probably wouldn’t have been a secret topic for Draco to find out exactly what kind of person Harry is. Though they did try to protect their son from the messy bits, they would have been at least steering him to do certain things regarding Harry. Behind closed doors, they would have had convos about whether they try to cultivate this child and get access to him to make sure he is aligned with Voldemort’s goals. In the worst case scenario to them, where Harry does in fact prove himself to be infallible to Voldemort’s teachings, what is the best way to snuff this child out quickly to earn Voldemort’s higher favor, and possibly bring him back sooner? These were probably convos they had had in their household at least all year, and probably writing to Drsco prodding him for info. He would have written to them about EVERYTHING. I am absolutely certain that AS SOON AS, what happened with Quirrell was known, Draco would have written to his parents about it, even before the House Cup was announced. I am going to assume that Dobby had this growing fear and sense of what was happening well before the summer started. Of course he heard Narcissa reading these letters aloud all year from her son at Hogwarts to her husband, discussing what to do, how to bring the dark lord back, possibly they could use that fool Weasley’s child as bait. From Draco’s letters, Ron and Harry were described as close. Dobby would have put the pieces together and set his own plan in motion before Draco even got home, likely before they even left Hogwarts.
Reading along wth y'all. No idea how many times I've already read & listened to these books. Such fun!
About the Barry crouch jr question, I thought I’d weigh in that your traits don’t matter in your sorting but instead the traits that you VALUE, and Barry Crouch is OBSESSED with loyalty, to the point where he hates all of his old colleagues for their disloyalties and even breaks his disguise when outraged that the disloyal death eaters weren’t punished. He even repeatedly refers to himself as lord voldemorts most loyal servant.
Just started hearing “when you’re the best of friends” little song from fox and the hound while they talk about Godric and Salazar.
I know it’s only a week between episodes/chapters but it somehow feels soooo much longer. It always makes me happy inside when I see a new chapter is up.
well, the last chapter was 2 weeks ago. last week they did a theory-filler-episode
@@lauramarschmallow2922 that’s true.
Totally love this podcast and super interested what you will uncover in this book. As a German I can say that Mallorca is a holiday island that many Europeans love. Many come to party (bachelor parties etc.), but also it's stunningly beautiful and has many family hotels. Spending your holiday there is very much middle class, but buying a house there is something football stars do. Also I love whenever you ask yourself is it a Harry Potter or a british thing, cause I found out many things over the years that I thought were from the Harry Potter universe that in reality were just british. Looking forward to many more episodes.
Let's go! FIRST chapter of book 2! Thanks For this Guys❤❤❤❤❤
- In addition to what you said about it being a year-and-a-half (ish) since the last book came out when it was first published, Rowling also had to set the stage for those readers who hadn't read the first book at all.
- It has literally been a thousand years since the founding of Hogwarts, *of course* new things will have been discovered since then.
- Harry's iconic round glasses are and have been a staple for British culture for literally decades before Harry existed. John Lennon wore the same glasses. They were the standard glasses provide by the British NHS. The Durlsey's got Harry the cheapest glasses they were legally allowed to, short of not getting him glasses at all which was (probably) illegal -- as his caretakers they had certain legal obligations to take care of him.
- Maybe Lucius Malfoy assigned Dobby to spy on Harry and then Dobby took it upon himself to intercept the letters. Plus there's a British tradition amongst the upper classes that the servants basically aren't people They're furniture. You can talk freely in front of the and they're not expected to know anything or pay attention unless they're specifically called upon to do their job. House-elves are an extension/exaggeration of that.
At the end of the episode I feel like Ben and J have forgotten the negatives of Crouch because J says the wizarding world would have been better off with him as Minister of Magic because while he's severe he's also effective. Keep in mind that Crouch sent Sirius to Azkaban without a trial and he allowed the use of the unforgiveable curses against the death eaters...something that not only was Dumbledore against but also Moody. He's a very "the end justifies the means" whatever the means are, even if you become what you're fighting.
I think it was because at least he would have beaten voldemort.
@@maofamily6509 No he wouldn't. The prophecy would have still been in play. He MIGHT have been more willing to accept Voldemort's return, but it was ALWAYS going to be down to Harry (or Neville) to defeat him.
@@torazely Ah yes.
On the one hand your're right, he was all for it to use unforgivable curses against Death Eaters, but you also have to see how despaired the Ministry was to fight off and prevent the Ministry to fall in to Voldemorts hands. Unlike the second Wizarding War, the Ministry hasn't fallen. So they did do a good job somehow. And the situation with Sirius was odd, because Sirius didn't defend himself. All evidence they had and that included word from Dumbledore, the most well-known und respected wizard alive, lead to believe that Sirius must be guilty.
I think Dumbledore and Moody as Gryffindors were too noble to use unforgivable curses. It speaks for the fact that Crouch was definitely not in Gryffindor house.
You know when hermione says “harry you eyesight really is horrible “ or something like that before the battle of 7 potters. It had to be so bad the Dursley’s simply had to take him out of convenience😂
I share a birthday with Neville, the best character. Also, when the books started coming out, I was the same age as Harry and friends until we got to book 5 and there started being 2-3 years between book releases
I see the Gryffindor/Slytherin friendship play out like Clarke, Kent and Lex Luthor in Smallville, completely different worlds and attitudes, but there is a deep respect for the other, and a somewhat desire to be like the other, until that fatal crack in the friendship that there is no going back from
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“Frying pans! Who knew right?”
Name that movie
I think what's funnier about the kicked off the quidditch team line is what is the plan here? Fly a broom in a muggle suburb where he can be seen?
14:29 - Ben, for years and years, the way I dealt with my grief over the series ending, was, immediately upon closing book 7, I would open book 1 and start again.
I’m also born on the 31st of July and the first book was translated and published in my language… the year I turned 11!!!
Coincidence? I think *NOT* !!!
Maybe Dobby can keep popping over to Harry’s while technically not defying the Malfoy family is that making Harry miserable and feeling isolated would please Draco . Harry, I’m pretty sure, speculates that Draco sent Dobby.
As you go through CoS, there are two items that I remember questioning the last time I read the book.
First, I believe Ron adds no positive activities in the entire book. Every idea he has goes wrong, he is incapable of doing magic due to broken wand, and he contributes nothing to solving the mystery.
Second, I find Harry's attitude towards colin out of character. Harry is one year away from feeling insecure about his place in the wizzarding world. But he scoffs at colins questions about quidich, has a complete lack of empathy for a small first year that knows nothing about wizzarding world.
Also, how did the professors know it was ginny that was taken into the chamber
@@kduncanskiI kinda wonder if they don’t have a ledger with the students in dumbledores office that says where they’re at in a similar vein to the Weasley clock? “In transit” “in bed” “in danger” etc. would be an easy way to catch students out of bed but if it’s in dumbledores office it can probably only be used in extreme circumstances like “we need to find this student to send them home for a family emergency”
Waited for this, lol
This is becoming a favorite secret view of mine, a week always seems too long
On the phenomena-ness of the books, i remember being in a study hall and having finished all my work so opted to read. I parused tge book shelf and found the chamber of secrets. Only a few pages in i realized that this was a different kind of read and decided to hunt for the first book. Thanks chamber, for opening the griffin door.
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Both Barty Crouch Jr. and Sr. are as Hufflepuff as you can possibly be.
Both demonstrate that they value loyalty: Senior places abidance to the Law higher than the love for his son. Junior is notoriously Voldemort's most loyal servant.
Both demonstrate that they value hard work: Senior is known in the Ministry as one of the most efficient workers: he led Department of Magical Law Enforcement during the First Wizarding War, and made a reputation for himself as one of the greatest enemies of those who practice Dark Arts. And when the war was over, he transferred to a completely different department and still excelled at his job. Junior spends an entire year disguised as different person. He managed to learn Moody's personality and mannerisms so well, that even Dumbledore didn't suspect anything.
Both demonstrate that they value fair game: Senior's insistence on everything being done by the book is well known. Junior is outraged at Death Eaters who wriggled their way out of Azkaban: it wasn't just a question of loyalty, in his view if you were caught, you should be proud to go to prison.
Both demonstrate that they value dedication. Senior was pretty much the only wizard at the Quidditch World Cup who managed a flawless disguise as a muggle: when Harry first meets him, he thinks that even Uncle Vernon wouldn't recognize a wizard. Junior, once again, takes part in a very long and complicated scheme, and nobody suspects him.
Crouches are a pure-blood family and are listed among The Sacred Twenty Eight. But I don't think they really match Slytherin.
I like this theory, I am torn now between this and the stated Slitherin theory in this vid, both great points! Maybe one day we’ll find out, but as a token Hufflepuff, Slytherin can keep em 😅
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I’m loving this series and book two is in my top three
I envision the lump of cheese being something that was likely gonna be discarded otherwise or a leftover ingredient.
I'm from Russia too) I discovered your podcast only few weeks ago, and it is amazing, so many discoveries about my favourite story. Good luck to you!❤
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Jiggery pokery is a Wizard Swear.
As is 'great sizzling dragon bogies', which comes up in a later chapter.
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As an author trying to write my own series, keeping huge secrets from the reader is THE most fun thing you can do. Especially coming up with, let's just say Sleight of hand, that keeps readers from learning the truth while trying to leave enough clues so that when they finally discover the secret, they slap themselves for not following the breadcrumbs down the right path.
I guarantee that most if not all authors actually enjoy keeping secrets from the reader. The hard part is figuring out how to keep a twist hidden the whole time, all the while making sure the reader has enough information that they could make proper guesses.
It like playing a game with the reader, and what is more fun that that?
I heard somewhere in an video about "one's unpopular opinions" the theory, that Slytherin was right with his distrust of muggleborn witches and wizards, as they lived durin the beginning of the witchs's persecution.
I agree somewhat, but Slytherin carried it too far. Rather than try to kill Muggle-borns, the right approach would be to help them navigate their two worlds.
I totally forgot this was coming out today… perfect timing for the gym!
Play it back! Did Ben say the SNAKES are down to earth hahahaha
Your discussion about all of the founders having a special part of the castle that they designed themselves made me remember that Slytherin has 2 secret rooms. He has the Chamber, but as Legacy reveals, he also had the Scriptorium. I wonder what other secrets have yet to be revealed to us and if the other founders also had secret rooms
I think Dudley teasing Harry about remembering his birthday is his way of saying happy birthday
It's my birthday today! So excited for this upload, been watching since I was like 16 and I'm 25 today!
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@@Harry-Hartmann thanks! And unlike the title of the chapter, it was pretty good
Hello from a long time fan from Russia lol
Honestly, I remember reading the first chapter in Chamber of Secrets as a child and thinking ' I know it already, c'mon!'. But then some detail was mentioned that I totally forgot and I was like 'wait, that did happen and I forgot...'
In the LatAm Spanish version, Harry says Abracadabra, pata de cabra (goat's leg), which I find hilarious
Since you're talking about making Harry presentable and the Dursleys could use him to show they have empathy and stuff. It's also so weird like everyone is so okay with the little boy in the neighborhood looking so thin, beaten up (from Dudley) and with torn clothes. Were no teachers or neighbors ever worried?
If the Dursleys want to seem normal, it would make much more sense to push Harry in this normality too
I don't think in the books it is actually mentioned the cloths are torn just that they are to big. Also I am pretty sure back then people thought boys be boys if they noticed one beating up the other.
Ayyooo, been waiting for this one boys!!
Dudley probably remembers Harry's birthday because it was the day that he grew a tail
When it comes to all the information that is "withheld" I have always wondered if it was truly J.K keeping it secret or if she just kinda made it up as she wrote the books. For example with the dementors, she might have decided in the third book to use some dark creature and if they are important to the story they need a name so she made one up at that time, instead of sitting on it as a "secret" since the first book.
Bold of you to assume Dudley knows where bacon comes from... He seems like the kind of kid who thinks it comes from a bacon factory.
...it doesn't? 😮
One thing about the chamber of secrets is the entrance opens up a sink with snake marks on the water tap and pipes BUT there was no indoor plumbing 1000 years ago, so... you know, how did slytherin create this part? Or did Voldemort add that part when he discovered the chamber?
I believe Pottermore had an article saying that one of Slytherin's descendents was responsible for designing the secret bathroom entrance when plumbing was installed
I like to think the Dursley’s just grabbed him a pair of glasses from the pharmacy but weren’t concerned if they helped him or not. It’s really just something to deal with the school telling them he needs glasses. An his own magic fixed them. Oculus reparo.
I think the relationship between Dudley and Harry is fundamentally different than the relationship between the elder Dursleys and Harry. They're peers. They're almost the same age. To me, this feels like a rivalry between siblings that hate each other because their parents have always pitted them against each other. There's that hate. There's the rivalry that goes along with it. But there's also a connection that comes from being part of the same familial dysfunction.
Thanks for the connection beteen Dudders and pork. That’s hilarious! That also went over my head
As ever, entertaining and educational. Thanks.
Hiiiii brothers! I love your videos and this podcast is absolutely awesome! I don't think polijuice potion gives short memory of the person you turn into, cause if that would be the case, then Ron in Deathly Hallows would have remembered the wife's trial and I don't even think that gives more of the character traits, cause otherwise Hermione would have been more "Bellatrixy" when going into Gringott's! I think Barry Crouch Jr. is simply very good at what he does and probably either known Moody (I don't think they would attend hogwarts together, but I can't remember their age gap atm) or studied him very well (Moody was a pretty famous auror anyway). I think the sorting hat had a hard time sorting him, cause I think he has a lot of both Slytherin and Ravenclaw!
Personally I believe that Malfoy Sr was talking to Crabb and Goyal and possibly Mr Nott the death eater’s that escaped going to jail
I would like to expand on the theory of a secret keeper for the chamber.
First it couldn't have simply been the locket because then how was Harry able to find it.
Instead I think that Slytherine himself was the secret keeper and since he only entrusted the secrets to his heirs upon his (as well as all of the heirs' deaths) the secret keeper became the next in line in the Slytherine bloodline.
Tom Riddle was an heir. He told Ginny weasley (sort of). Harry was a horcrux so he was also a secret keeper himself so he was able to tell Ron and Lockhart.
A consequence of this theory is that, even after Harry's second year, only those who either Harry or Voldemort told are able to know about the chamber's location and contents.
Pitfalls which have to be dealt with:
The first isn't so hard to wriggle out of. How was Hermine able to figure out that the monster was a basalisk if that was part of the secret.
Can a secret keeper be a secret keeper without knowing the secret himself. (This might be getting into the weeds on how horcruxes work.)
How did Fawkes know about it? (I'd like to make up some story which involves Salazar Slytherine showing Fawkes the chamber, perhaps also in order to use his tears.)
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Ironically it's my birthday so I'm glad I get to enjoy this story with y'all once again. And no it's not the worst birthday for me thank you very much
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I would genuinely love it if the brothers would do a limited series podcast talking about their ideas for The Founders TV series
Just an idea, you could always say something like “unpacking the mysteries behind ‘Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.’”
In terms of the good Slytherins things, I would have loved if it was revealed that Dumbledore was in Slytherin. I don’t think it is ever mentioned in the books that he was in Griffindor but I may be wrong about that.
With all the information revealed in the ‘Life and Lies of Dumbledore’ one detailed might have been that he was in Slytherin which would have been pretty juicy for what Rita Skeeter was going for.
Dumbledore does seem more of a Slytherin than Griffindor. He is very cunning, resourceful, determined, ambitious, self confident.
I never really saw Dumbledore as particularly ‘brave’. I just thought of him as having such mastery over magic that he didn’t need to be ‘scared’. He had self belief and trusted himself to be resourceful and find a solution to any problem he may face.
Even his plans with Grindelwald of ‘taking over’ and the phrase ‘for the greater good’ have a Slytherin sense of pride and haughtiness that ‘I know what is best for everyone’.
He even says he didn’t take the minister for magic position because he learnt that ‘I cannot be trusted with power’.
It will also line up with the core lesson of this particular book ‘It is not our abilities it that define who we are, it is our choices’.
Him being in Griffindor seems like just yeah he was in the hero house and not very interesting imo.
Just what I needed this fine Sunday morning j and b and coffee
Yay! New book starting on my birthday thanks to last week's intermission.
Happy birthday!
@@IAmMissingnoMaster thank you
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In the 90’s in the uk children’s eyes were tested at school as part of the nhs, then certain frames were free (others you paid additionally for), so Harry’s iconic round glasses are just free nhs glasses he would have been given through his primary school with no extra effort from the dursleys.
Also yes, Mallorca is the equivalent of retiring to Florida for brits (especially in the 90’s)
I've been following you guys for years now!
My grandmother serves from the pan on the table sometimes. She puts a special potholder that's larger to fit under it.
Love this!! I’m such a nerd and can’t find anyone who wants to discuss HP as much as I do😂 So this podcast makes me so happy as you really go into the depth of this amazing story! Thank you and keep up the great work👍
Something I’ve been thinking about, in goblet of fire (i think) Voldemort says something like he was waiting for a deatheater to come looking for their master so that they could help him return to power, but if he was able to get to Albania from England without a body (twice!), why couldn’t he just have gone to like the Malfoy house instead? Or to the Lestranges right after he first fell, they hadn’t been arrested yet at that point.
Can’t wait for the next episode! Love from Sweden
@Hpcake "nerd" used to mean a very book smart person who's into science. kinda like Hermione , or more so. Today, people say they're nerds just because they like certain series or movies....
Yes, you’re right. But a lot of words change their meaning over time :)
Iam so excited for this one. Chamber is my favorite book in the series. I love the opening chapter because it so perfectly mirrors the opening of the previous book. Dudley's birthday is so overblown and even though he gets special treatment every other day he gets even more on his birthday. For Harry the abuse just gets worse on his birthday because it reminds his aunt and uncle of all the resentment they feel. It's also I think a realistic portrayal of things getting worse before they get better. Harry's 11th birthday was the exception that proves the rule.
The other reasons that I love Chamber is that it genuinely scared the crap out of me. I was terrified of the monster because unlike Voldemort it was a complete mystery. I was terrified of the spiders. And the diary was the most insidious thing of all. A book that can pretend to be your friend while secretly manipulating you and stealing your life? Horrible. The first few times I read it I had to look both ways before sneaking downstairs to get snacks. That was how I learned I loved horror books.
Having a rough week and watching this is my self care
All of the Dursley chapters get my anxiety level up. 😂
As a youth I had a lot of trouble finding a copy of Sorcerer’s Stone because the series was such a big deal. I was resistant to bandwagoning Potter back then but was very curious. While I couldn’t find SS, I easily tracked down COS. So this chapter was my first exposure to Potter.
So I greatly appreciated the recap nature of this chapter. It let me know important things I missed.
Funniest thing about starting with Chamber though is that I completely missed that Hagrid was huge. I just thought he was a typical older guy. My mind made him look kinda like Mark Rylance.
I have a similar headcannon that Jay mentioned. I think the Basilisk was supposed to protect the school against dark wizards and Voldemort just assumed it was for killing muggle-borns because of his pure blood bias.