What If Doctor Gero Knew About Namek Sooner? Dragon Ball Z

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  • What if Doctor Gero knew about Namek and Super Saiyan SOONER in Dragon Ball Z? How would this affect DBZ? Would Androids 17 and 18 be STRONGER? What about Perfect Cell? Laughingstock Media and Dragon Ball Nation discuss What If Doctor Gero knew about Namek sooner in Dragon Ball Z! Featuring the Dragon Ball anime and manga.
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  • @83jbbentley
    @83jbbentley 6 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Doctor Gero is rolling in his grave where 17 winning TOP

    • @user-dn3fn3bg4l
      @user-dn3fn3bg4l 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      17 winningthe ToP was stupid, just bad writing from the worst dragon ball product in the history of the franchise. wORSE then GT and super manga and even dragon ball...smh.

    • @tgfs238
      @tgfs238 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@user-dn3fn3bg4l the same is gonna happen in the DBS manga lmao

    • @Lord_Mori
      @Lord_Mori 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Actually I think minus the whole not killing goku thing I think Gero would have some pride in knowing that his creation far exceeded all of his expectations and beat down some of the strongest people in the universe. But thats just my opinion. Like hes not going to be all baha thats my son hes going to be more like "wow my creation succeeded in saving the universe and my genius rivals the power of the gods!!!"

    • @maskedcrusaderings
      @maskedcrusaderings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @MachineGunMike I completely agree with you

    • @underdogchris1753
      @underdogchris1753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@user-dn3fn3bg4l I'd have to disagree. I prefer GT but I have to give it to Super. It was pretty clever to make 17 win instead of Goku.

  • @Mortalhater
    @Mortalhater 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Android 19 and 20 would be stronger than super sayain
    Edit: hi:)

  • @yahtoray3
    @yahtoray3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Based on the types of things he can build, I’m sure he could’ve made a stronger body.

    • @janodefenua4603
      @janodefenua4603 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I think His body was temporary, if you have robot body you have no limits pretty much, you can keep upgrading yourself everytime you progress your technology.

  • @MultiBlablabla2000
    @MultiBlablabla2000 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you think cell would have been different if he got genetic material from all the people from namek and frieza Force. wasn't there a guy who can actually stop time by holding his breath.

  • @Aaron.Monroe
    @Aaron.Monroe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Doctor Gero saw King Cold, Frieza and SSJ Trunks if he took their DNA, but looked surprised when he saw Goku transform. Also, he should have been able to tell by at least the movement speed that this transformation greatly increased battle power.
    Writing is never gonna be perfect but there are some simple plot holes that could have been easily corrected with due diligence.

    • @thegaminglion90
      @thegaminglion90 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe it was a mini-robot that was collecting DNA, but it was sending information to a computer that was taking care of cell. So it could be said that Dr. Gero Stopped personally monitoring them just before they went to namek, and everything that happened after that was monitored solely by the computer and not by Dr. Gero himself.

  • @animefan77
    @animefan77 6 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    10:06- I think the real terror is that if Gero's spy bug robots go to Namek, they could collect all of the data of the fighters...including the Ginyu Force on top of Freeza, Dodoria and Zarbon. Cell with Guldo's time stopping powers would be terrifying, since he's less likely to let his breath go so easily.

    • @ssjgotenks2009
      @ssjgotenks2009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      they had fireza dna dude cell aid he get fireza dna hwen fireza come to earyh wtcih 3 yea rbefor anroids

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Don't forget Gero gaining access to space faring tech and scouters.

    • @hecetewest5411
      @hecetewest5411 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      signerleo snyder sorry, what the fuck did you just try to say?

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@hecetewest5411 They Had Frieza's DNA dude Cell said he got Frieza's DNA when Frieza came to Earth witch was 3 years before the androids.
      Thou Art Most Welcome Good Sir.

    • @TheZephyrsWind
      @TheZephyrsWind 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Okay, we use a global EMP on Namek.

  • @galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478
    @galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Josh appears more on laughingstock media than on his own channel.

    • @LSMMIKE
      @LSMMIKE  6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      That isn't much of a feat these days...

    • @galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478
      @galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Laughingstock Media Indeed

    • @GeartoxGD
      @GeartoxGD 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ikr his dbn channel has not uploaded in 9 months

  • @bestofallgames8094
    @bestofallgames8094 6 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    What If Vegeta Successfully escaped From Namek When Piccolo Was fighting Against 2nd Form Frieza?!

    • @PauloAnnunaki
      @PauloAnnunaki 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      he would go to planet freeza 419

    • @bestofallgames8094
      @bestofallgames8094 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@PauloAnnunaki yeah, no One ever goes to planet Frieza 419!

    • @tobygarton2574
      @tobygarton2574 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would also love this topic.

    • @user-dn3fn3bg4l
      @user-dn3fn3bg4l 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The Z fighters loses, vegeta escapes and trains. Probably to challenge freiza later on and die.

    • @heatlifer3640
      @heatlifer3640 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Best Of All Games he wouldn’t have got the zenkai boost from dying. And Goku probably wouldn’t hate Frieza as much as he did.

  • @intuitivelymagician2076
    @intuitivelymagician2076 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    What if dr gero turned Frieza into Mecha Frieza

  • @pspdownloaderplus
    @pspdownloaderplus 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I completely agree that Gero may be limited with how powerful he can make himself, but Android 19 wouldn't be restricted in the same way. I think that if he learned about Namek, he would have either figured out a way to make 19 stronger following whatever methods he used to make Android 16 or completely scrap 19 and perfect 16/17/18.

    • @ssjgotenks2009
      @ssjgotenks2009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he not cstp 19 heo eise wodo gero ptu own rbain in new bdoy he some do it for him so he wodo had to maek 19

    • @amethonys2798
      @amethonys2798 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think it depends on when Gero stops watching. It's pretty much set in stone that Gero stopped watching after Goku and Vegeta fight. If we only move his watch up to Namek being destroyed, then yes I feel like he still would lose. The thing is the Z Fighters were able to train for 4+ years (year until goku comes back and then I believe 3 before Gero) to the point that Vegeta catches up to Goku without as massive of a zenkai as the one Goku got on Namek and Piccolo is also strong enough to fight Gero.
      If Gero saw this change he could have done something differently, but this brings up the question, "why wouldn't he make himself as strong as possible regardless?" My guess is there is a limitation to how much he can amplify the robotic parts and he already hit that threshold. That being said, as retconned in Super, the androids (17/18 at least) are able to train and grow that way, so if Gero truly was scared enough he could let them out sooner to train. Whether or not he can control them is up for debate though. In a "perfect" world, he scraps 19/20 and focuses on absolute control (or at least control to the point he doesnt die) of 17/18 and then trains them instead. How? Idk, the only way that makes sense that wouldn't cause a commotion is gravity training or something which would be ridiculous on infinite stamina beings.

    • @Coinfliptails
      @Coinfliptails 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      As its said, almost certain he made 19 like that to gauge their power, like he was a older model that was completed first, who was along with being immensely more loyal so he took 19 on the test spin at first and 17/18 being a last resort (16 being a defense system for the base.)
      (And if including 13/14/15 they were probably a test for what he intended for cell and then became an abandoned project that was never actually meant for use.)

  • @blueaqua2122
    @blueaqua2122 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    What if Bulma created an advanced training facility *within* the hyperbolic time chamber?

    • @kylefortner8709
      @kylefortner8709 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Technically she could with her capsule tech. She could build a device and then stored it into a capsule. But there wouldn't be a need with how harsh they said the chamber was.

    • @adriancarmadelle536
      @adriancarmadelle536 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Would be a more efficient way of utilizing the chamber. We never get 100% confirmation about the Chamber having more gravity than the stated 10Xs Earth 🌏 gravity within it. Bulma’s ships (that Vegeta trains in a lot) can go up to 400Xs. Couple that within the Time Chambers time differentiation, they could get WAY stronger 💪🏽 in a shorter amount of time. They also need to take some senzu beans to recover quicker and keep training more frequently without the need of “rest and recovery” time.

  • @ninoalagic4557
    @ninoalagic4557 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would change nothing, because Gero knew already about the two strongest things that happened on namek, Goku and Frieze, especially Frieza since he incorporated his DNA in Cell.

  • @Fred63205
    @Fred63205 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's mind boggling that his research had his androids as strong as they were without following them into space. I thought that when I was 11

    • @Fred63205
      @Fred63205 ปีที่แล้ว

      @SFEX七瀬 🤫

  • @jonathanmondragon342
    @jonathanmondragon342 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That would be just devastating but it would be interesting to think how the story would change with even stronger androids. But would cell still be at the same level of power since there wouldn't be to many changes to him

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Time freeze plus being faster than all the Super Saiyans of the time means he's getting *everbody* on Earth.

  • @davidclegg3397
    @davidclegg3397 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How would the spy bots get back from namek it got blown up. also I imagine the spybots would have to hitch a ride with either bulma/gohan/krillin or goku. I doubt gero had a ship/could make quicker thatn dr briefs in the time given once he finds out the gang are going to namek, that would also get his spy bots to namek and back again in time to collect all the data for most of those fights.

  • @mannietindal3697
    @mannietindal3697 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Its about time someone did this

  • @Alienldr
    @Alienldr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I feel a missed opportunity is when the androids are supposed to have been studying the Z fighters, they show no signs in using any of that research besides for how strong to make the androids and how strong to make Cell. What would have been cool is showing the androids dodge and counter every move and technique the Z fighters use, and turn those moves against them too. They make it sound like they studied their techniques so its useless to use it against them, but all they've done to show the fruits of their labor is actively scan the fighters to see who's who (no prior research needed), and brute force a fight like anyone else or get curb stomped (no prior research needed). 17 and 18 seem to not know much about the fighters, 16 scans them, and Cell only uses the research to explain how he got dna and knowledge of how to use the moves only. No countering or anything. Such a missed opportunity to make some fights cooler I'd think, forcing the fighters to develop new strategies on their feet and learn how to counter their own moves and maybe learning from weak points, making the fighters look more competent and badass.
    Even 17 and 18 with their infinite energy, despite not using that detail much, is still used in their fights, pointing out how Vegeta and piccolo are getting tired while the androids aren't, slowly turning to the favor of the androids.

  • @tobygarton2574
    @tobygarton2574 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Really loving these what if , videos great job mike.

  • @DoctorLightning66
    @DoctorLightning66 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wait a minute didn't Gero monitor Trunks and Freeza when they were fighting?
    And even in the Future he had data on Goku and Freeza when he made Cell
    There wouldn't be a difference if he already had the numbers of the stronger fighters...

    • @LSMMIKE
      @LSMMIKE  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, this is explained in the arc.

    • @DoctorLightning66
      @DoctorLightning66 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Laughingstock Media it still doesn't make sense to me 🙃

    • @amethonys2798
      @amethonys2798 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DoctorLightning66 I'm pretty sure Gero played no part in Cells development besides setting up his computer to do it over 20 years or whatever.

  • @OurKindofEntertainment
    @OurKindofEntertainment 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Laughingstock, congrats on 100k subscribers! I hit 50k yesterday and I'm jumping off the walls! Can't wait to reach 100k myself, and keep up your great content!!!

  • @travoncaldwell9450
    @travoncaldwell9450 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What if vegeta turn ssj2 in the time camber. 2. What if vegeta, and the others died against the androids... leaving only goku, gohan, Yamcha, trunks alive?

    • @travoncaldwell9450
      @travoncaldwell9450 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @360 Overdrive being that goku took the medicine for the heart virus wouldn't he live? An train gohan & trunks in the time chamber. Thus having the power to win?

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm guessing you mean that Vegeta in this what if had mastered SSJ like Goku and Gohan did, but pushed his limits to reach SSJ2. In that case he's not gonna do much until Cell is revived, besides absolutely dicking on the Cell Jrs in MSSJ. He probably would just humor Goku by letting Gohan fight and seeing how strong he was. Once Trunks dies he's gonna just go HAM on Cell in SSJ2 (he'd already be SPC's equal without rage boosts), and for once we'd get to see a rapid fire energy blast actually kill someone. After that though both Gohan and Vegeta would be down in the dumps about how they had the power to end Cell and yet they still basically let him kill Goku and Trunks. Once Trunks gets revived though I think Vegeta's gonna just drag Trunks back in the HTC and have him master SSJ and access SSJ2.
      During the 7 year gap I think Gohan would actually keep his training up a bit, so he still stays at his Cell Games level, while Vegeta is gonna probably be equal to Goku. Seeing as Vegeta is Goku's "equal" in this what if and Gohan is more than strong enough to kill Dabura, he has no reason to go Majin and so Buu just stays trapped. Vegeta also never acknowledges Goku as better.
      Without Buu, Goku isn't gonna need to desperately gather everyone for the ritual, but he's probably gonna do it anyways so he can have a rematch vs Beerus, only the fate of the world isn't at stake this time so it's more amicable.
      ROF goes about the same only Gohan doesn't have the dilemma of him possibly having been able to do something because he never unlocked his potential with Elder Kai.
      U6 and the Zamasu arc go entirely the same.
      During the ToP arc, Gohan gets brought to the Kai homeworld to train with Kibito and Shin, Piccolo gets dragged along too, and both get their potential unlocked by Elder Kai. Then they also get a light amount of God Ki training with Whis too and now both Gohan and Piccolo are on the same level as Goku Blue.
      Pretty much everything remains consistent up until Gohan and Piccolo vs Saonel and Pirina. This time, Gohan and Piccolo beat them down and they instead merge with Piccolo. When U7 has to go up against U4, U7 suffers no eliminations because Piccolo never gets eliminated by a bug. Then when it's U7 vs U3, Piccolo being there prevents Aniraza from being formed, so A18 is still in the ring for U7 vs U11.
      Gohan and Piccolo fight Toppo together while 17, 18 and Frieza team up to take down Dyspo. Dyspo is hard countered by 17(more so with 18 backing him up) so nobody gets eliminated there. Piccolo is actually equal to Justice Toppo so with Gohan helping, Toppo is put on his back foot. Then 17, 18 and Frieza all join in to gang up on Toppo and force him to unleash GoD mode. Toppo eliminates 18, but everyone else is just left cratered for the events of 126 to basically go unchanged.
      Since both Gohan and Piccolo are still in the ring, they help out with trying to fight Jiren, but 127 still goes down the same way. In 128, Goku ends up getting some energy from Gohan to stand while Vegeta and Piccolo get their crap kicked in. Piccolo and Gohan get eliminated, but Vegeta doesn't and gets the heck out of the way when UI Goku comes out.
      129 and 130 play out the exact same way. Vegeta and Frieza team up on Tired Jiren and finally eliminate him, leaving 17 as the only conscious contestant.
      TL;DR, Vegeta getting SSJ2 in the Time Chamber doesn't exactly change much.

    • @Itsnobigdeal420
      @Itsnobigdeal420 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      jamaine gardner very nice explanation thank you

  • @SSJRoseKaulefla
    @SSJRoseKaulefla 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    They will need SSJ3 to stand a chance.

    • @UniVS427
      @UniVS427 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Super Saiyan Rose Kaulefla or fusion

    • @bigenson18
      @bigenson18 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wtf. SSJ3 would rape the entire android saga.

    • @chripedro1998
      @chripedro1998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bigenson18 you didn't understand. If Gero made himself ssj-tier level in order to face Saiyan Saga-level fighters, if he knew he had to face an ssj he would have made himself much much stronger, and the comment above thinks he would be ssj3-level

    • @juliohernandez3148
      @juliohernandez3148 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hanson Juanlim wrong

  • @gamesux420
    @gamesux420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the power of the androids is something that COMPLETELY fucks with powerlevels way worse than anything else in the series but i feel like people dont really ever talk about that?
    17 went toe to toe with the strongest fighters in the MULTIVERSE and he was build by some human from the red ribbon army, people who couldnt even beat kid goku.
    How do you do that? How do you go from lets say, Android 8 to 16 17 and 18? And how far could he have taken it? This is like Frieza training for a couple months and blowing everyone else out of the water. He went from worthless in OG DB to creating some of the universes strongest... just like that? Randomly? HUH????
    What if they left Gero to tinker up until Super? Might aswell overthrow Zeno at this point. Hell he couldve just kept 17 and 18 napping and just made super Cell and made him perfect from the get go. Imagine that. Scratch that. HE COULDVE MADE SUPER OMEGA 66 AND 67 AND THEN USED THOSE TO MAKE EXTRA PERFECT CELL VERS.98 OR SOME SHIT

  • @whydoyougottahavthis
    @whydoyougottahavthis ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think 16 proves he definitely can make something more powerful but 16 is such a mystery, even 17 and 18 was like wtf as well as Cell so we're their databanks purposefully misinformed? Is it impossible to really tell their power? He's also the only one with specific modifications for combat I always wondered if he had other tricks up his sleeve Gero put In

  • @virtuouspyromaniac4467
    @virtuouspyromaniac4467 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just a question that came to my mind and that I have never seen you or anyone else in the dragon ball community discuss. why was android 17 revived, when the Z-fighters made the wish to revive everyone who was killed by cell.
    android 17 was not killed by cell and this is confirmed when cell threw up android 18 and she was alive and fine. since 17 was absorbed too just like 18, it means that he was still alive inside cell. so is this another plot hole?

  • @guyukassman7705
    @guyukassman7705 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Correction: Dr Gero didn't make any mistake at all because he did succeed in the FUTURE timeline, which is the actual timeline, to kill Goku's friends while Goku himself died of a heart virus. He hasn't miscalculated at all.

  • @rival2028
    @rival2028 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Technically Gero did win. It took Trunks to time-travell and change the events of history

  • @kyleanderson449
    @kyleanderson449 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    all the Androids were already built. so he would have started off releasing 16. 16 would kill Goku. 17 and 18 would never be released.

  • @Paul-ng4jx
    @Paul-ng4jx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    His little robots would’ve never got to namek if you think about it the gravity training soon as he started cranking up, the gravity is for a little guys weren’t gonna make it

  • @187Blackheart
    @187Blackheart ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He wouldn't have gotten that data back because of how they came back to earth. So unless he has some special tech to snap or teleport the dna back to earth(which is a stretch to me) it works be a waste

  • @MartellThaCool
    @MartellThaCool 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Androids will kill them all including frieza

  • @jamainegardner4193
    @jamainegardner4193 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If this were the case then Gero would've likely given Cell some enhancements so he could use a Super Saiyan-esque form along with making 17 & 18 stronger. He also would've likely added scouter technology to the Androids. Both of these would be huge game changers for the Android saga as they would allow Gero and the others to know just how strong the Z fighters were getting and plan accordingly.
    Personally I doubt Trunks and Gohan would've survived long enough to go back in time in the first place. Future Bulma would just escape to the past, while Cell ends up absorbing every human who 17 & 18 don't kill, until the three of them are the last ones left. Cell wouldn't even need to travel to other timelines, he'd just absorb them and be done with it, destroying Earth and laying waste to the universe until he has to confront a pissed off Babidi and Dabura (because he kinda destroyed Buu). Cell destroys them and probably ends up destroying the entirety of U7, at least unless he doesn't end up killing Shin and Beerus just wipes him away. In other words, the Future timeline is fucked even worse than it was with Zamasu.
    Future Bulma would just stay in the past and force everyone to train even harder than they do in the Main timeline. Goku wouldn't even lose due to the Heart virus because Future Bulma is there to cram the medicine down his throat. They wouldn't even need to worry about Cell, so Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Piccolo would defeat the Androids using the HTC, suffering no casualties. Babidi and Dabura are likely gonna get squashed in this timeline, meaning no Buu, and Elder Kai being trapped in the Z sword still. Everything is up in the air from there.

  • @lordhades598
    @lordhades598 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What of future trunks and gohan used the hyperbolic time chamber against 17 and 18? And what if bulma created her own set of andriods to help the z fighters in battle? Would they have more potential than 17 and 18 or even cell?

    • @kyleanderson449
      @kyleanderson449 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Diseal Fury she couldn't have built Androids. she needed geros blueprints to understand the Androids. if they trained in the time chamber they would have mastered super Saiyan. beaten the Androids. with no Androids to absorb cell would have been toast.

  • @rossbaker7400
    @rossbaker7400 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if super saiyan 4 would in fact not true super sayian 4 meaning instead goku mastered super saiyan 2 and 3 like he did in the cell sage where he could stay in it for days I think he would be able to push his body further in finding another golden super saiyan form which would of been the true ss4 who know double ss3 like a 800 time multiplayer I was thinking this when thinking can super saiyan 3 be mastered

  • @zionistmangler6458
    @zionistmangler6458 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It makes no sense why the androids were as strong as they were.

  • @LygarZeroX
    @LygarZeroX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cell would have been invincible. He would have Guildo's DNA and the power to stop time by holding his breath. Cell doesn't need air to live because of the frieza DNA.

    • @sridrawings4510
      @sridrawings4510 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cell can go to space either way even without frieza's dna since he is a alien

  • @MonkeBrain07
    @MonkeBrain07 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sure. You forgot one detail. His robot would never come back from Namek since everyone there came back by teleportation. Keep in mind that only intelligent creatures that came back. The fishes were nowhere to be found. Btw Ginyu counts as intelligent since only his body was a frog. None of the space ships came back so it's fair to assume that the robot won't either unless it attached itself into someone else like Bulma, which is a very risky move that Gero's AI would never take. Keep in mind that Dende wished to teleport everyone back in the Namekian language which the robot would not be able to translate. The commands from King Kai was also executed by telepathy so there is no reason for the robot to latch on to someone. Gero would likely have even less preparation as he would assume that Goku and co. had died in their trip to Namek and would have less reasons to go with his revenge. If anything, it'd just be the same as it went in the manga.

  • @nalightb
    @nalightb 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    On the one year anniversary of DBN's last video is when he'll come back. I'm calling it now

    • @LSMMIKE
      @LSMMIKE  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You never know...😉

    • @zenxen7668
      @zenxen7668 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LSMMIKE what's the background music?

  • @The_Humble_Hurricane
    @The_Humble_Hurricane 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video and topic. Loved how thorough your points and discussion were as well. You have a new subscriber.

  • @gregoryjimenez2034
    @gregoryjimenez2034 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if gero attack earth while the z fighter were on namik

  • @devonstidham9234
    @devonstidham9234 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would goku take the 2nd year in the time chamber with gohan ?

    • @amethonys2798
      @amethonys2798 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends on how strong he perceives Cell to be probably. Goku decided against it initially when he came out and teleported to Cell to scout him out. If Cell is much stronger, then I cant see Goki being THAT reckless.

    • @caloFi
      @caloFi 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Devon Stidham goku would’ve trained gohan and be would’ve went ssj2 easily, afterwards he would go ssj2. Cell would be fucked

  • @marcusrivera5484
    @marcusrivera5484 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Android 13 would be canon

  • @Jeffthecreepyastafan
    @Jeffthecreepyastafan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do this idea for a what if?
    What if freiza pushed back Goku's spirit bomb and through that unknownly gave Goku ultra instinct
    What you think of this idea.

  • @toxxik4933
    @toxxik4933 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what if the original gohan had never raised goku as his grandson

    • @marcosmos7478
      @marcosmos7478 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      well maybe Goku would of destroyed the world or someone else would find Goku and try to raise him.. who knows

    • @maggoteclipsewyvernchaosfr304
      @maggoteclipsewyvernchaosfr304 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marcosmos7478 What about Master Roshi?

    • @kyleanderson449
      @kyleanderson449 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      odds are in a year Goku would have destroyed the planet. there is almost no one around there. however fortune teller baba could take him in. again extremely unlikely.

  • @novacorponline
    @novacorponline 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Consider, however, that Dr. Gero made so many failed androids because he was pushing the limits of his scientific progress. Knowing about super saiyan wouldn't cause his androids to become any stronger, because they were designed to be as strong as he could make them with cutting edge technology. And similarly, Cell wouldn't gain much from super saiyan as the way it was designed only took DNA samples and it deliberately chose not to consider super saiyan DNA that it did have access to.
    I think the most likely outcome of Dr. Gero learning about super saiyan himself, would be that he would wait longer before launching his attack, while he develops his technology to try to catch up with super saiyan. The most interesting scenario this might create could be his plans ending up coinciding with the Buu arc. The protagonists would be weaker for not having to deal with the android threat or Cell, and so it may force an alliance between the Z fighters, and Gero because ultimately, the entire world being consumed and destroyed makes it pretty dang hard to rule over.
    I am thinking, given the apparent age of Gohan in Trunk's timeline vs Buu saga Gohan, Cell would likely still be in a "not quite finished yet" state. Gero would probably become aware of the threat of Buu when Babidi succeeds in awakening Buu, and would realize that seperately, neither his androids, nor the Z Fighters individually could stand up against Buu, and would be forced to awaken 17 and 18, and head out with them and 19 to join the Z Fighters.
    Of course, whether he actually broaches the subject with 17 and 18 with enough charisma to get them to go along with stopping Buu or if they just murder him, awaken 16, and and become additional villains for the arc is up in the air I think.

  • @pavy415
    @pavy415 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think it would work following Goku to namek if a drone came with Goku in the ship the drone would be crushed dealing with gravity. They'd have to follow bulma and Gohan

  • @kurlexchoi
    @kurlexchoi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Suppose if Doctor Gero Knew about Namek Sooner, how much different would it make? They'll just pick up several more fighters there like Nail with several Namek Warriors that were less powerful than Piccolo, Zarbon, Dodoria, & the Ginyu Forces. Since Goku is dueling Frieza in that vanishing planet, not even sure if his house fly device would make it back to earth with all those data.

  • @ToxicMisfitsYt
    @ToxicMisfitsYt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Comparable to majin buu

  • @OrevShalom
    @OrevShalom 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lmao Cell would've had dna and techniques from (drumroll please)
    Grand Priest, Zenos, Zeno guards, Angels, All 12 Universes fighters & techniques, Super Shenron,Zamasu, Time rings,
    Then apply the same stack he did in Z with that as a base😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @dennist.8210
    @dennist.8210 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr. Gero is the MVP of the Multiverse. Without the creation of 17... they would of all been fucked.

  • @randycrawford1132
    @randycrawford1132 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think Goku would have done things differently like Trunks and Gohan and Goku and Vegeta

  • @OrevShalom
    @OrevShalom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hero made them stronger than super saiyan without knowledge of one.
    If he anticipate his gains with knowledge of super saiyan, 🤣😂 them droids be Beerus level 🤣😂🤣🤦

  • @Gaelek13
    @Gaelek13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cell contained DNA from both Freeza and King Cold and depending on the timeline they were defeated and killed by either Goku or Future Trunks, both of whom would've been Super Saiyans in order to do so.
    It really doesn't make sense that Dr. Gero would be completely clueless about the Super Saiyan form. Even if his data on it was incomplete he should have at least been _aware_ that such a transformation existed.

  • @TheArtofUTube
    @TheArtofUTube 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What if Dr. Gero has never really been defeated? What if his Supercomputer from the movie of 3 Saiyans Gero is still spying on the Z fighters still with his supercomputer. Remember the Supercomputer is never destroyed, it simply powers down to a red light blinking. What if it is still spying on the Z fighters?

  • @freiza79
    @freiza79 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They should have had cell create 20 cell jr’s, suck the energy from the earth and then give it to cell to use as a spirit bomb as well as cell use kaio ken. Here is a crazier idea where cell and freiza are corrupted by babid’s magic. As evil as they are, imagine the power up grade they would get. I hated it when trunks destroyed king colds space ship, bulma could have used that technology. They should have had it where to train the z fighters, they would fly to freiza’s planet, talk with the scientists there, create a time machine where to train gohan, they would have him fight freiza and king cold in a past timeline as well as the ginyu force. These would be great combat experiences for Gohan as well as trunks. They also could have made a gravity chamber to simulate a billion times earth’s gravity. In hell, Cell could have created cell jr’s and had ginyu swap bodies with one of them and with that power give freiza amd the ginyu a cell jr body. Then use the namekian fusion technique to make a very op Super perfect cell.

  • @Nephalem2002
    @Nephalem2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something I always wondered was how in the flying fuck did Dr Gero make Cell, but never once thought during his development go; “Huh, this thing can learn all the moves and abilities of the fighters that hold their DNA, lets see if it can replicate the Kaioken”.
    Like seriously, why the hell didn’t Cell have the Kaioken? It would have made more sense when he absorbed 17 and 18 that he was stronger than Trunks and Vegeta, but twice weaker than Goku and Gohan, thus having to tap into Kaioken to win the fight.

  • @godemperorofmankind3.091
    @godemperorofmankind3.091 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    theres no proof that Gero couldnt just make himself stronger than 16. he made himself that strong because he thought it was all that would be necessary to deal with the Goku he expected to face and even then he was MILLIONS of times strongerr than the Goku he was expecting. im sure he'd delay until he was sure he would win, and then he would come out and kill them all. if he was so unsure he would win that he was millions of times above what he believed the minimum necessary, that is planning beyond what most villains have ever done. who the hell waits like that? Freeza didn't

  • @jeffthered2910
    @jeffthered2910 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr Gero would just activate android 16 and the z-fighters would of been done for. That's what would happen if Dr Gero decided not to improve himself or the other androids

  • @heatlifer3640
    @heatlifer3640 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yo, do a “what if the Big Gete Star recreated Frieza instead of Cooler”

    • @brandonmyers5448
      @brandonmyers5448 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s a what if in plan on doing when I start TH-cam

    • @kyleanderson449
      @kyleanderson449 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      meta golden frieza army.

  • @demigod5219
    @demigod5219 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gero could’ve made himself as strong as 17 both were originally humans lol

  • @kyleanderson449
    @kyleanderson449 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    your video is based on the flawed assumption that gero could change the Androids. he made them years ago to the best of his ability. look it up. he'd just release 16. as he would not be panicking to release the other two. 16 was equal to first form cell who surpassed piccolo after merging with kami. also piccolo would never get to merge.

  • @KaiserMattTygore927
    @KaiserMattTygore927 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    To be fair, when Vegeta KNOWS he's outmatched he's usually smarter and more cunning, when he doesn't know that or believes he's superior he's always a dumbass.
    So in this case he might not fuck up as much if he's on the backfoot earlier in the story.

  • @randycrawford1132
    @randycrawford1132 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    17 is called that because of his age he’s 17 years old and because she’s his twin sister and is next she’s 18

  • @brendonkingdavis5945
    @brendonkingdavis5945 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if Dr. Gero thought Goku died on the planet like everyone else and the Android didn’t appear because he thought Goku died

  • @freiza79
    @freiza79 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why didn’t gero give himself and 19 the infinity batteries as well as 13, 14 and 15.

  • @rostar7256
    @rostar7256 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cell would probably be dead because when he faced vegeta vegeta let him live because he was so weak but in your story it would take the combined power of trunks and vegeta to defeat him so I don't think Vegeta's gonna take the no,matter how strong you are you'll never beet me route like he originally did but even if he does trunks will kill cell so no cell or android 17

  • @yahtoray3
    @yahtoray3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s the point if they can train in the chamber and get stronger than second for cell. Then Gohan turning SS2 would definitely top that.

  • @freiza79
    @freiza79 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gero should not have engaged in battle himself but hid in a bunker and had his finger on the device to deactivate 17 and 18 . He should have made them completely obedient to Gero.

  • @jers2532
    @jers2532 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The robot spies wouldn't make it back to earth since namek exploded...

  • @mrkdavis22
    @mrkdavis22 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd rename this video what if Akira toriyama didn't have alzheimer for most of this show for example Dr gero has all the information about freeza and his father to add to cell and has the information of trunks in ssj mode killing freeza with that big tracker side note if cell said he can used the Spirit bomb the real question is why the fuck didn't he use the kaio Ken attack ever?

  • @billyhanes7962
    @billyhanes7962 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video is living proof that josh isn’t dead 😂

    • @LSMMIKE
      @LSMMIKE  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you miss the other videos he was in on my channel? 😎

    • @billyhanes7962
      @billyhanes7962 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Laughingstock Media yea, I actually just found your channel and I have been watching all your videos. If you were to look at my history, it’s literally all your videos 😂

    • @LSMMIKE
      @LSMMIKE  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching, I appreciate it.

  • @vikramkhosla2767
    @vikramkhosla2767 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    about 17 and 18 maybe their purpose was to be absorbed by cell and thats why they were made

  • @Robert-yj3gp
    @Robert-yj3gp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why didn’t Dr Gero find the Dragon Balls and wish for the perfect Android?

  • @NathanielLewis
    @NathanielLewis ปีที่แล้ว

    He could have gotten the Cells of minor characters such as Zarbon and the Ginu force but I can't really see that making much of a difference

  • @owenanderson9242
    @owenanderson9242 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a cool what if what if future Vegeta survived and trained with future Gohan and trunks

  • @wristdisabledwriter2893
    @wristdisabledwriter2893 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bet that’s what happened in the real story considering the real story android 17 and 18 were stronger. Just a theory

  • @shaolinjoe3705
    @shaolinjoe3705 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gero making 17 & 18 made no sense, & how the heck was he able to make them both have limitless energy?!!

  • @Xyos212
    @Xyos212 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    17 is Super Saiyan God level with just a few years of training so does it matter either way? :/

  • @girardwhiting2086
    @girardwhiting2086 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the fact that he can produce technology better than beings who could destroy planets before he was even born

  • @freiza79
    @freiza79 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Too bad he didn’t get freiza’s and bulmas technology in addition to his own.

  • @Dalkia6911
    @Dalkia6911 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone explain me how the hell Gero got Freezer's cells or even knew Freezer's existence if he didn't follow them in space?

  • @imverygerby
    @imverygerby 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is #17 being ssb such a problem to people he was designed to be the strongest android

  • @phantomplayz6072
    @phantomplayz6072 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dr. Gero would win if he knew that goku is scared of needles 💉💉💉💉

  • @Goonwithatireiron823
    @Goonwithatireiron823 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Akira toriama made gero and 19 and the editors didnt like it, so he made 17 and 18 and they didnt like that either so he made cell and then they wanted cell to transform twice

  • @floatingf8783
    @floatingf8783 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously WHAT THE FUCK IS NAMEK?

  • @eplatamx2017
    @eplatamx2017 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Ginyu Force alone would make Cell invincible

  • @MrT6250
    @MrT6250 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr Gero - Seriously what the fuck is Namek!.

  • @idreadFell365
    @idreadFell365 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Abridged Gero: What the f**k is this Namak!!?

  • @sonshawnzy9975
    @sonshawnzy9975 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who makes more vids a year ? Dbn or blackenfist?

  • @levig3576
    @levig3576 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if Goku fused with vegeta in the Android saga

  • @tormentor91
    @tormentor91 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Gero made 17 and 18 as strong as he could. If his only target was to make them stronger than Goku, based on his estimated growth, they could have been much weaker and still wiped the floor with that estimated version. So why bother making them THAT much stronger?
    It's also important to consider that Geros drones gave him data on how Goku and his friends/enemies fought. They didn't give him information on how to built better androids. So even if they were on Namek, Gero couldn't just improve the androids based on that information. He may have been able to modify their fighting style and the added information on how their opponents fight may have been useful, but it wouldn't really make them stronger by much.

  • @aresnova7143
    @aresnova7143 ปีที่แล้ว

    He would try to get the dragon balls to revive his son

  • @donaldcapomolla911
    @donaldcapomolla911 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if he study morgen buu. Power

  • @OrevShalom
    @OrevShalom 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:37 I think super saiyan god.
    OOOO what if Dr. Gero used a time machine to send data collectors to the future. They watched the tournament of power😂😂😂😂
    Dr make a Cell that can kill the Omni King😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭
    My nigga Dr Gero make Androids stronger than existence😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    Omni King Supe Shenron Jiren GOKU!!!!
    😂😂😂😂😂 Them androids beat the F out the Grand Priest😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    The REAL GOD would have to make a appearance😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @OrevShalom
      @OrevShalom 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That old ass man from Earth has the ability to kill all the gods we know of😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @yahtoray3
    @yahtoray3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The original timeline is actually Cell’s.

  • @freiza79
    @freiza79 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Too bad cell didn’t absorb super 17.

  • @zenlucas-divers4652
    @zenlucas-divers4652 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK IS NAMEK.

  • @dashingdreww1185
    @dashingdreww1185 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did they ever explain why Dr Gero turned himself into an Android ? Was it just , if you want something done right you gotta do it yourself

  • @user-dn3fn3bg4l
    @user-dn3fn3bg4l 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It probably would have taken him longer to gather information and make andorids more powerful. So I don't think it would have changed to much, z fighters in the future would have just taken on the adnrodis maybe when trunks was a kid or young teen instead of when he was a baby. then he'd warn the past about the andorids with the dates of which events took place.
    So maybe...lol. THe Androids come during the time babdi comes.

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh god that means they could get Majin androids.

  • @Soulen1986
    @Soulen1986 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every androids power level would have been pushed up a tier.
    19 & 20 would be just as strong as 17 & 18. 17 & 18 would be as strong as cell 1st form fully powered up maybe a lil stronger.16 would have been = to cell's 2nd form. Perfect Cell would be a maxed out level 2 Sayain. Gohan would be a level 2 + unlocked power.

    • @sridrawings4510
      @sridrawings4510 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This 17 and 18 in main timeline would be strong as assj vegeta