Piccolo cannot become a Guru, he was Born as a warrior caste namek, only warriors can fuse, thought he could refuse with Kami since they originated together. King Picollo and Kami were Dragon caste and could produce offspring and dragonballs
@Michael Mathers before he united with kami in android saga his power level was 100m+ because of hard training after trunks's warning and then became more than 1b, so yeah i agree with you
While on the subject of Piccolo, something that I've always wondered: What if he accepted King Kai's training rather than thinking it silly? People talk about how he could master the Kaio Ken (sp?) attack and question why GOKU doesn't teach it. Well, King Kai taught Goku, seeing that Piccolo was nearly as strong as Goku there's no reason that King Kai couldn't teach it to him too except... Piccolo thought the training to be silly. In the anime, Piccolo caught the monkey with such ease King Kai said that the exercise was not for him. However, when it came to hitting Gregory with the mallet, Piccolo was fed up with him and wouldn't bother to try. From there, he said that he'd just train himself. What if he HADN'T taken that attitude? According to the English Dub, Goku had only 88 days of training. Piccolo had around 6 months (Approx. 186 days). If the human fighters got so strong they could beat the Ginyu Force, something that even Vegeta himself couldn't do, imagine how strong Piccolo could have gotten. I'd like to know your views on this.
Maybe namekians doesn't get that strong in training , I mean he trained a whole year at the time chamber and he's still weak while the Saiyan's get exponentially stronger when they train there
@@asterarthur7335 You could be on to something, it seems as though Namekians might become stronger with meditation than physical training which is harder to do by comparison and would explain why he wasn't able to just meditate in the hyperbolic time chamber. I bet if he was to learn Jiren's meditation technique he'd be able to increase in power just as easily as a Saiyan could.
Piccolo would still find Nail near death(?) in Namek. I'm going to guess Piccolo would still to fuse with him as I have a feeling Nail would insist on it and give him an extra bump in power
actually cell without freezas cells would probably be a lot weaker (and I mean A LOT) since it seems like Freeza had the most natural power than all the fighter whos cells was used to create him..
I think just having Piccolo come back from the spirit world with KK mastered and just starting to learn the Spirit Bomb would be great in and of itself.
What if....kami made a kami jr and he fused with piccolo? That would be dope because kami would fuse with him and he'll be stronger and make better dragonballs...then fuse with piccolo....kaniccolo....
Here is a further dive into it, in supersonic warriors 2 they teased a what-if scenario if piccolo when to hell and fused with Piccolo Damiou. It was quoted that even Kid Buu would not be a threat if that fusion happened as well. I kind of hope they do that with the next dragon ball series so we can see piccolo on god tier power level.
Piccolo was my favorite charavter for a long time. I think Vegeta is a little bit ahead of him but I'll always love Piccolo. That's why I'm a big Chris Sabbat fan.
I'm not sure if PIccolo would have killed Vegeta in this scenario. He only made that threat because Vegeta asked why'd they waste a wish on bringing him back. So it just came off as banter between the two of them to me. Aside from that I feel Gohan and Krillin had enough respect for Vegeta for saving them multiple times at this point to ask Piccolo to spare him.
I agree. Gohan and especially krillin would have spoken up since without vegeta they would have been toast and respect for goku sparing vegeta and piccolo himself would be a factor. Frieza is outta here though.
My theories on it Piccolo and Kami fused before the Cell/Android Saga: 1. Namek/Frieza Saga - Frieza would still go to his final form but Goku wouldn’t become a SSJ and he’d defeat Frieza with a Spirit Bomb after Piccolo held him off for a bit, Vegeta and Krillin wouldn’t be killed, just gravely injured 2. Cell/Android Saga - 19 & 20 still attack first but are easily defeated by Z Fighters (Goku and Piccolo), they all rest until Future Gohan shows up, has a brief sparring match with Goku (both of them reveal they become SSJ) and Future Gohan reveals 2 evil androids will appear but Z Fighters assume 19 & 20 are the androids and then later that day 17 & 18 appear months/years earlier along with 16. Z Fighters get defeated and Future Gohan leaves for future timeline and the rest plays out like main timeline with Cell coming from future just weaker. He still transforms into perfect cell except once again, he’s weaker and is easily defeated by Goku who first transforms into SSJ2. 3. Buu Saga - Dabura and Babidi appear and make a claim about fighting a arrogant warrior while traveling through space and nearly defeat the Z Fighters as Dabura is equal to Perfect Cell having Frieza/Cold’s DNA and the Z Fighters being weaker as Frieza and the androids and cell were weaker. The arrogant warrior appears and it’s Vegeta having been traveling and training throughout space to surpass Goku. Vegeta defeats Dabura but Buu is still resurrected and beats the Z Fighters, Gohan escapes and meets Supreme Kai who came to warn the fighters but arrived too late. Buu pursues them but they escape and Kai trains Gohan who returns and kills Buu 4. Super- Battle of Gods happens as it did, Frieza is resurrected by Cold and Cooler (he becomes canon) and the Cold Family attack’s earth, but same ending happens
Scorpion Firesome not possible he’s way stronger than Gohan at the time the Oozaru is x10 the power of the user and Gohan was barely at lvl to even beat a normal human without his potential Piccolo would go Giant and slap Gohan
Gohan had a power level of 1370 when angered, put a times 10 multiplier with the Oozaru form and Piccolo stands no chance unless he destroys the moon like he did in the original story, are you trying to imply Piccolo was pretending to be surprised and could have one shotted Gohan right then and there?
Theoretically, I’d say if he rejoined with Kami in Dragon Ball prior to Raditz, I’d say everything below Freeza at a low ball and the androids full power at the highest, according to Guru.
@@LSMMIKE According to my fans that said they subbed. But they subbed cause they like your content. I told em only to sub if they liked it and they did
You should remember that Goku was stronger as a Super Saiyan because his base was 3 million. When Piccolo met Nail, the strongest base seen for a Saiyan was Vegeta's Post-Recoome power of 250,000. His super saiyan form would have been 12,500,000. Of course, would anyone at that time actually know it was a multiplier of 50? Or even that it was a multiplier at all?
what if piccolo killed Frieza immediately wile he had a chance be fore he started transforming instead of playing around and prolonging the fight and later same with a Cell ?
if Frieza came back and Piccolo killed him before he reached his final form and no info about defeating Buu very likely Frieza wouldn't bother retaining thinking his full power will be enough.
7:59 I don’t think it’s likely for goku to get ssj because The power is in response to a need and it’s up to goku to find that need for the power.Also it took goku seeing his best friend die in front of him in order to get it.And cool vid btw
People keep forgetting that Piccolo trained A LOT between the Namek Saga and his fusion with Kami. He would have lost badly to Frieza either way, although probably pushing Frieza to his 4th form.
I mean that without the year between Namek Saga and Trunks arriving and without the 3 years training with Goku and Gohan for the Androids, Piccolo's fusion would be considerably weaker, to the point where he couldn't beat Frieza even fusing with Nail AND Kami. He was already near SSJ level before fusing with Kami, and didn't get THAT much stronger, since he still couldn't beat Android 17. Which means the fusion didn't make him, say, 100x stronger. Piccolo was on par with 2nd Form Frieza, which was considerably weaker than Frieza's full power (according to power levels, almost 100x weaker).
The problem with a lot of the Super conjecture is a lot of the later events only happened due to Goku's interactions with others. If Whys doesn't train goku, and Frieza doesn't train, everything is fine at the end of Super, Beerus just shows up now and then for snacks and nothing bad happens from there out.
if Piccolo would have killed Vegeta then the fusion between Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be possible meaning we would not have the strongest characters in Dragon Balls.
Oh interesting point!! But the thing is though I could see Dende dying by the Androids out of boredom after they get their hands on the dragon balls, wish for everything they ever wanted, besides their assigned purpose of murdering Goku since he died of the heart virus, and can't be brought back. Although considering the present timeline's androids, they could show sympathy and keep him alive and be redeemed, but I doubt it?
@@dr.samarsarkar8791 It's a reasonable guess considering the character of the Future Androids, after they use all of the 3 wish from the new Shenron Dende made, I can see him being killed by them. They don't really enjoy much besides causing destruction, and they can just do that themselves. Material things would get boring. I don't know if they'd wish anyone else back to fight and kill again, but that's a possibility, but that kinda sounds boring from their perspective, they'd just win again. Maybe they'd wish for a New Goku to fight if Shenron could do that.
@@nearthe2nd well for this to happen..The androids would have to first find all the dragon balls and 2. No one is going to tell them they are wish granting balls in the first place..
@@dr.samarsarkar8791 Think of it this way, Future Gohan would want to resurrect the Z Fighters. But immediately when the sky gets dark, and a giant dragon emerges into it speaking of granting wishes with a booming voice, the Androids if they are nearby are just going to go in and hijack the wishes, and then murder or remurder anyone they like before the Z Fighters can train. And get pissed that they can't bring Goku back and become even more destructive
Why are you just recently getting 100k subs? You're among if not THE most credible Dragonball youtuber i've been watching you for years and I know you know your shit. I guess people are too much into powerscalers and versus debaters now.
What if trunks went back to the Piccolo Jr saga and trained goku. Maybe trunks could also turn Piccolo good faster by explaining everthing that happened in the future. I see Piccolo helping against a common foe since he did it against raditz
Damn this would've made for a pretty interesting story. Not that the original was bad but Piccolo playing a greater role definitely changes it for the better
Can u do a video about what will happen to piccolo after ToP? Everyone is talking about goku and vegeta in the broly movie but piccolo has his own poster and standing next to both of them. I wonder y they chose him?
LaughingStockMedia can you imagine a Super Namek god Super Namek? Now imagine Ultra Instinct Piccolo. If only Piccolo would have trained with the angel Whis and lord Beerus in Dragonball Super.
Actually since Future Trunks' timeline is separate from the main timeline he'd still exist and would most likely convince the Z fighters to bring Vegeta back. Also if for whatever reason the main timeline being different would change Trunks' timeline there is the possibility that because Vegeta was never a factor Future Gohan could have ended up hooking up with Bulma and Trunks would just happen later in the timeline and it would take longer for him to go back unless he goes back younger than he was in the original story. I'm thinking that could be a slim possibility because if Vegeta wasn't around and Yamcha was dead the only other person Bulma was vaguely interested in, but she didn't act on those feelings because Chichi was Goku and I'd think since Gohan would essentially be the last guy she'd know on earth she may have developed feelings for him when he matured because she'd see Goku in him.
Piccolo would not have killed Vegeta on Namek. During the Piccolo vs. 2nd Form Frieza fight in the original story, Vegeta tried to escape and Frieza stopped him, saying he was saving him for later. Had Piccolo-Kami been fighting Frieza, Frieza would have been too occupied to be able to do this. It's also unlikely that Piccolo would have stopped him, since Piccolo's main objective was the destruction of Frieza, and he would not have seen Vegeta as a threat anymore. Also, with Kami's positive influence, it's unlikely that Piccolo would have sought revenge against Vegeta. And even if Piccolo DID try to kill Vegeta, I think there's a decent chance that Gohan would have intervened and talked him down. Gohan wanted to jump in and help Vegeta when Frieza was beating the crap out of him, and Krillin stopped him. So it seems that by that point Gohan cared enough about Vegeta to think he was redeemable. After all, he had saved their lives multiple times. Frieza probably would have tried blowing up Namek like he did in the main story, and, provided he messed it up the same, Piccolo would have been able to kill him in the "five minutes" before Namek exploded, since Piccolo did not have a fetish for letting his opponents reach their full power. So with Vegeta still alive, the rest of the show would have gone on pretty much the same, except I think that Piccolo in Trunks' future would have at least been able to hold off the Androids and run away. King Cold seemed shocked when Frieza awoke from his surgery and demanded to go to Earth, so it's unlikely he would have done it on his own. And since no one else even knew about him, including, it seems, King Kai, there would have been no desire among the Z fighters to hunt him down. Your entire video rests on the assumption that Piccolo kills Vegeta, but I don't think that would happen for the reasons stated above.
If they use the dragon balls to wish back everyone killed by frieza and assuming namek is still around then vegeta would be wished back too and from there I see him training in secrecy, getting to around goku and piccolos level, and going back to earth to seek revenge.
I’m not sure if Goku would go SSJ without the need. I’m sure something would attack them. I’m not sure if this is possible but I been watching a lot of your videos lately. I’d like to see a what if about when you think Vegeta achieved SSJ and why he didn’t consider gohan being able to do it to and use him as his prodigy. Similar to when vegeta and gohan faught on earth after they got wished there it seemed he would of trained gohan under him
@@felixmartinez9673 well Frieza was portrayed as pure evil. So it would make sense to me that if Cell only had Namekian, Human, and Mostly Saiyain Cells, he'd be more inclined to turn sides and just wanna fight. That's why i believe he chose to even have the Cell Games
I agreed with what alot of what you said untill you talked about Trunks not existing. Seeing as Bulmas time machine worked on the multiverse theory vs a linear timeline, things in another universe couldve played out how they originally did in DBZ, so Trunks could certainly still show up, whether he would want revenge on Piccolo for killing Vegeta idk
thats not how it works. Trunks and bulma split the timeline themselves. there is never a timeline in which vegeta doesnt go to Earth after Namek because the timeline splits after that.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 not to get too far into multi-verse theory. But if you have infinite universe then everything that could possibly happen has a happened in one universe or another. Everytime there is a divergence, there is a split in the timeline and new universe is created
He would probably be on par with full power freeza, about gokus level considering hia current power, maybe greater its hard to really tell. Would he still bother fusing with nail as well? Big what if.
That is a good question. Fusing with Nail did make him tougher than Frieza's second transformation. He might have deemed it not necessary but did so anyway because Nail wanted to wreck Frieza. A lot of people Forget Nail was extraordinarily powerful and may have been able to single handedly defeat the Ginyu Force and the rest of Frieza's men if he intervened sooner.
well it says he was around 42000, i believe around Recoome level, but possibly everyone one on one but i think if jiece and burter teamed up who knows. Power levels are wacky.
It’s weird... the way they talk up the boost he was gonna get if he had done it before Namek and the one he actually gets don’t end up lining up much. I know his power up had to fit the narrative at the time... But he goes from barely below a Super Saiyan to significantly below Super Saiyan Grade 2. Like barely one small upgrade to go from being strong enough to demolish the first androids to being roughly on par with the second. I feel like he should at least have been Semi Perfect Cell level, or they could have offered something like his body had not yet fully become accustomed to his newfound strength. On Namek w/ Nail he was booted from mid Ginyu force level to a little below 3rd Form Frieza... which numerically was like 30k to above 2 million, an enormous power boost. Nail made a bigger impact then Kami did >_>
Being completely honest, I don’t really think Piccolo would let Giro get away like they all did in the main timeline. I think with no Vegeta and a sick Goku, Piccolo would’ve taken them both out immediately. If he could nearly match up with 17 then he could take Giro not only easily, but thoroughly. To add, I see more of a chance of Piccolo losing to Dabura before he would let someone as “weak” as Giro get away.
I think Kami could have fused with Piccolo just before Vegeta showed up. Kami could see the good coming through in Piccolo, and though Piccolo wouldn't be exactly down for it, Kami would reveal just how strong Vegeta actually is, and would say that they could defuse again after the fact.
Laughingstock Media, you talk about how Vegeta would be dead and Trunks wouldn't come back to the past, but Vegeta died b/c neither Piccolo or Gohan stood any chance against Frieza, but if Piccolo is SSJ level, then Piccolo would've defeated Frieza and Vegeta would have never died.
Nail+ Kami + Kaioken would overpower 17, Piccolo is close to 17 with Nail and Kami...stacking it with KaioKen would destroy 17...That would have stopped Cell to become semi perfect cell...Even if Imperfect Cell is stronger than Piccolo...Super Vegeta would have finished Cell...
no he wont and cant. Piccolo is nowhere near 17 and is killed with ease along with everyone else on Earth. why would he have kaioken? why would Vegeta finish Cell when vegeta's a braindead idiot who'd toy around until Cell blows himself up, killing the entirety of earth
The biggest problem with Piccolo before Namek would be Dr. Gero would have seen it and thus made the Androids stronger then Piccolo and the situation would have been even more dire.
Wait a minute wouldn't everyone have recognized Future Gohan? If so then none of them would've let him leave and he would've been stuck training with them for the next three years too. Especially since Goku is his f*cking father (who still cares immensely about him as shown when Piccolo told him Gohan isn't a fighter, and in the Buu saga when he thought Gohan was _dead_ ), Gohan is his counterpart and Piccolo is Piccolo. Hell I could even see *_Chichi_* forcing both versions of Gohan to train.
Honestly, I don't see Goku wanting Vegeta dead. I believe he would also wish him back along with the z fighters and namekians who were killed by frieza and his men. For the sake of wanting to push himself to even greater heights. Along with Vegeta.
Honestly I'm more curious about what if Kami was given eternal youth by Shenron to restore him to his prime and THEN reunite with Piccolo. How big of a difference would that have made?
I know spy drones were around as stated by cell vs. piccolo pt. 1 but I don't understand, Dr. Gero had NO type of information about namek whatsoever and said himself that the progress that he got from the Z-fighters up until the saiyan saga was more than enough information to have the Androids more than strong enough to defeat all the Z-fighters, but cell still has Frieza's cells??? BUT the information was MORE than enough from the saiyan saga meaning their progress was done being added to the Androids and cells strength, I don't get it.
Wouldn't future Trunk's timeline remain unchanged, even if Vegeta was killed. Nothing changed in the future timeline despite the events of the cell arc when Trunk's went back to the future. Zamasu is a good example as well, so future Trunks would still come back in time only he wouldn't exist in the main timeline.
Why does no one ever mention about piccolo fusing with kami and wishing king piccolo back to COMPLETE the fusion (and one could say piccolo jrs siblings like tambourine etc) because if they all reunited together into the original nameless namakian + the years of experience and training it would be an even more powerful and effective fusion
How is that even possible You do realize piccolo had 3yrs of training against goku + he fused with nail. I dought he could even keep up with final for frieza while using 10%
Piccolo is a super saiyan level with kami .. nail only doubled his power level not very much Piccolo was about 530k when he arrived on namek Tien could take on both burter and Jiece and Piccolo smiled in confidence and went on to fight frieza in his 1st form and nail confirmed piccolo's power is high (but he didn't know piccolo was wearing weights)
hakeim james Piccolo isn't like goku. He would never have allowed frieza to get anywhere near full power. He would have seen the threat and killed frieza immediately.
Since Broly is canon, the z warriors might have sought him out to complete the super saiyan god ritual. I could also see Paragus arguing that Broly should be the one to get the transformation, Goku challenging Broly to a fight & ultimately losing to Broly since Goku is so much weaker, there's no Vegeta, and no one knows the fusion technique. After that, SSG Broly would probably rip Beerus to shreds & potentially become U7s new god of destruction
I think he would’ve killed 2nd form Frieza before Frieza could go into his third form. Which probably wouldn’t have too much effect on the future until the buu arc.
Goku and Piccolo would be able to beat Frieza but It would be more difficult and winning the tournament shouldn’t be a problem tbh Piccolo would do everything Vegeta did then get recked by Hit and same shananigans happen,Similar events to the Zamasu arc would occur but it’s difficult to know what would happen exactly
You forgot the magical solution: fusion kek xd Out of jokes, Piccolo was supposed to fuse with goku in buu saga, so I can see them being extremely strong and able to overcome everything together.
Im chiming in late here but when you said future trunks wouldn't exist if vegeta was dead, you don't consider that future trunks timeline is an entirely seperate universe and our universe and future trunks timelines don't affect each other in such direct ways
The perfect time for this to happen is during the three year Time skip between mecha Frieza and king cold and the Androids piccolo realizes he needs to get stronger he fuses with kami and he’s first form cell level without him absorbing the people and goku seeing this he may realize the super saiyan wall may be able to be passed he finds graded two while gohan is a super saiyan off rip
With Goku alive after the Cell Saga couldn't he and Chi Chi have more children after Goten. It is likely that Goten is even stronger than in the main time line because he achieved Super Saiyan with just Chi Chi's training. If Goten trained with Goku and Piccolo he would be even stonger than with just Chi Chi's training. Another side effects would be that Goku never learned instantaneous movement when returning from Namek and no fusion dance as Goku would not have learned it after the Cell Games. Elder Supreme Kai wouldn't be released by Gohan which also means no Potara Fusion either.
If Piccolo defeated Frieza on Namek and then they travelled peacefully back to Earth afterward then Goku most likely wouldn't have contracted the heart virus he got during his time after his battle with Frieza but before returning to Earth. So that would change a lot of things again in regards to how the beginning of the Android threat would've taken place. Goku would be alive, with his only newly acquired SSJ form during training after coming back peacefully from Namek after Piccolo defeated Frieza. Piccolo would still most likely be the strongest, and who knows what would be of Vegeta, since in the original timeline Frieza killed him and he was wished back. So would he have even travelled back to Earth with the others after Piccolo defeated Frieza?...nobody even thought about that. Such a deep subject. Brain fooooodddd!!
No Vegeta also means that if Z team somehow survived the ToP that Brolly still walks all over Earth. Unless Goku fusion danced with someone, and even then... But then again, without a revived F then Brolly never gets found either...
All of this bc of one thing that's crazy to think how this probably would have happened. Now imagine if Goku didn't let go of Raditzs tail he never would have met King Kai so no Kaio Ken and no SPIRIT BOMB so he would have needed to rely on the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Piccolo hopefully would have fused with Kami at this point does Goku become stronger than Nappa maybe vegeta no way. Piccolo would definitely beat Nappa and maybe vegeta between fusing with Kami and also training in the chamber
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@Hunter Haus no way, Piccolo was even with 17 and 17 is stronger.
He could have saved Namek and become its Guuru.
what if he fused with guuru lol
@poisonsam ?
Oh no a clickbaiter is here!
Piccolo cannot become a Guru, he was Born as a warrior caste namek, only warriors can fuse, thought he could refuse with Kami since they originated together. King Picollo and Kami were Dragon caste and could produce offspring and dragonballs
@@rbx_9 you understand
I he would demolish frieza before goku arrived to aid them
Really? What was his power before and after the fusion
I he?
Piccolo would be a better hero than goku since he finishes the job goku stalls for time
@Michael Mathers before he united with kami in android saga his power level was 100m+ because of hard training after trunks's warning and then became more than 1b, so yeah i agree with you
While on the subject of Piccolo, something that I've always wondered: What if he accepted King Kai's training rather than thinking it silly?
People talk about how he could master the Kaio Ken (sp?) attack and question why GOKU doesn't teach it. Well, King Kai taught Goku, seeing that Piccolo was nearly as strong as Goku there's no reason that King Kai couldn't teach it to him too except... Piccolo thought the training to be silly.
In the anime, Piccolo caught the monkey with such ease King Kai said that the exercise was not for him. However, when it came to hitting Gregory with the mallet, Piccolo was fed up with him and wouldn't bother to try. From there, he said that he'd just train himself.
What if he HADN'T taken that attitude? According to the English Dub, Goku had only 88 days of training. Piccolo had around 6 months (Approx. 186 days). If the human fighters got so strong they could beat the Ginyu Force, something that even Vegeta himself couldn't do, imagine how strong Piccolo could have gotten.
I'd like to know your views on this.
Piccolo had 1 month, while Goku was healing. Not 6. Krilin and Gohan wont survive that long. Tien and Chaoutzu had the most time with Kai, Result???
@@fkjl4717 he saying piccolo was the second best behind goku at the point when they were on kais planet plus he hadnt fused wit kami either
Maybe namekians doesn't get that strong in training , I mean he trained a whole year at the time chamber and he's still weak while the Saiyan's get exponentially stronger when they train there
@@asterarthur7335 You could be on to something, it seems as though Namekians might become stronger with meditation than physical training which is harder to do by comparison and would explain why he wasn't able to just meditate in the hyperbolic time chamber.
I bet if he was to learn Jiren's meditation technique he'd be able to increase in power just as easily as a Saiyan could.
@@asterarthur7335 Piccolo has similar potential to the sayians, he simply didn't have access to power boosts in the form of transformations.
Bye bye all of piccolo’s enemies
What if Quaaman didn't love piccolo.
I would be pretty sad ;(
Andrew Ace very sad ;(
Yahtzee!
*Gasp*
Does he still Fuse with Nail? He got a huge buff in power upon fusing with Nail. If I'm not mistaken, Nail had a pretty high power level.
42’000 bro umm I’d say no because he’d already be strong enough to stop frieza and maybe he’d want nail to live but idk it’s a interesting question
Piccolo would still find Nail near death(?) in Namek. I'm going to guess Piccolo would still to fuse with him as I have a feeling Nail would insist on it and give him an extra bump in power
actually cell without freezas cells would probably be a lot weaker (and I mean A LOT) since it seems like Freeza had the most natural power than all the fighter whos cells was used to create him..
Also Cell in his 2nd stage would probably be killed because Vegeta wouldn't be there to let him absorb 18.
He would lose to Frieza because Toriyama only cares for saiyans
Racist...
Toriyama doesn't like Vegeta.
And by Saiyans you mean Goku because he literally doesn’t care about the rest
Piccolo would become the main character.
I think just having Piccolo come back from the spirit world with KK mastered and just starting to learn the Spirit Bomb would be great in and of itself.
He would’ve beaten Nappa
he would have beaten nappa when he synced with nail
Think of TFS as a different universe so it's like heroes.
Wyndell Lee he would of beaten vegeta too
And cell perfect form
He would have beat Vegeta as well. Guru stated that he could have won against the Saiyan if fused.
HE COULD WIN
HE’D FEEL GREAT
HE CAN DO THIS
What if....kami made a kami jr and he fused with piccolo? That would be dope because kami would fuse with him and he'll be stronger and make better dragonballs...then fuse with piccolo....kaniccolo....
You should do a what if Vegito fusion was permanent
Now you talking for real...I wish BRO..
Than he would get to smash chi chi and bulma :^)
bombflo1 feel bad for chichi Goku left for 7 years come back for a day and now he’s fused with vegeta and Chi-Chi’s all on her own
I don't think it would had been stable vegause Vegeta was dead at the time the only time both of them were dead
They could have just used the dragon balls to split apart
intresting point on Kami & Piccolo merging it would have change everything during planet namek arc
Here is a further dive into it, in supersonic warriors 2 they teased a what-if scenario if piccolo when to hell and fused with Piccolo Damiou. It was quoted that even Kid Buu would not be a threat if that fusion happened as well. I kind of hope they do that with the next dragon ball series so we can see piccolo on god tier power level.
I think he would be as strong as Mystic Gohan.
Piccolo was my favorite charavter for a long time. I think Vegeta is a little bit ahead of him but I'll always love Piccolo. That's why I'm a big Chris Sabbat fan.
I'm not sure if PIccolo would have killed Vegeta in this scenario. He only made that threat because Vegeta asked why'd they waste a wish on bringing him back. So it just came off as banter between the two of them to me. Aside from that I feel Gohan and Krillin had enough respect for Vegeta for saving them multiple times at this point to ask Piccolo to spare him.
Agreed. It's just sorta become a thing in a lot of these what ifs by various youtubers that someone kills Vegeta in one saga or another.
I agree. Gohan and especially krillin would have spoken up since without vegeta they would have been toast and respect for goku sparing vegeta and piccolo himself would be a factor. Frieza is outta here though.
@@xwarriorone no
Ifeanyi Ozoh how b'itch?
Oh, Piccolo would defenitely kill him, on Earth.
My theories on it Piccolo and Kami fused before the Cell/Android Saga:
1. Namek/Frieza Saga - Frieza would still go to his final form but Goku wouldn’t become a SSJ and he’d defeat Frieza with a Spirit Bomb after Piccolo held him off for a bit, Vegeta and Krillin wouldn’t be killed, just gravely injured
2. Cell/Android Saga - 19 & 20 still attack first but are easily defeated by Z Fighters (Goku and Piccolo), they all rest until Future Gohan shows up, has a brief sparring match with Goku (both of them reveal they become SSJ) and Future Gohan reveals 2 evil androids will appear but Z Fighters assume 19 & 20 are the androids and then later that day 17 & 18 appear months/years earlier along with 16. Z Fighters get defeated and Future Gohan leaves for future timeline and the rest plays out like main timeline with Cell coming from future just weaker. He still transforms into perfect cell except once again, he’s weaker and is easily defeated by Goku who first transforms into SSJ2.
3. Buu Saga - Dabura and Babidi appear and make a claim about fighting a arrogant warrior while traveling through space and nearly defeat the Z Fighters as Dabura is equal to Perfect Cell having Frieza/Cold’s DNA and the Z Fighters being weaker as Frieza and the androids and cell were weaker. The arrogant warrior appears and it’s Vegeta having been traveling and training throughout space to surpass Goku. Vegeta defeats Dabura but Buu is still resurrected and beats the Z Fighters, Gohan escapes and meets Supreme Kai who came to warn the fighters but arrived too late. Buu pursues them but they escape and Kai trains Gohan who returns and kills Buu
4. Super- Battle of Gods happens as it did, Frieza is resurrected by Cold and Cooler (he becomes canon) and the Cold Family attack’s earth, but same ending happens
What if Piccolo died against Oozaru Gohan before the saiyan arrived?
Scorpion Firesome not possible he’s way stronger than Gohan at the time the Oozaru is x10 the power of the user and Gohan was barely at lvl to even beat a normal human without his potential Piccolo would go Giant and slap Gohan
Gohan had a power level of 1370 when angered, put a times 10 multiplier with the Oozaru form and Piccolo stands no chance unless he destroys the moon like he did in the original story, are you trying to imply Piccolo was pretending to be surprised and could have one shotted Gohan right then and there?
Scorpion Firesome stop with the bs suggestions
Theoretically, I’d say if he rejoined with Kami in Dragon Ball prior to Raditz, I’d say everything below Freeza at a low ball and the androids full power at the highest, according to Guru.
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
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You should remember that Goku was stronger as a Super Saiyan because his base was 3 million. When Piccolo met Nail, the strongest base seen for a Saiyan was Vegeta's Post-Recoome power of 250,000. His super saiyan form would have been 12,500,000.
Of course, would anyone at that time actually know it was a multiplier of 50? Or even that it was a multiplier at all?
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what if piccolo killed Frieza immediately wile he had a chance be fore he started transforming instead of playing around and prolonging the fight and later same with a Cell ?
Does piccolo have an eidetic or photographic memory? And he uses that to train while meditating? And could that be how frieza did it?
if Frieza came back and Piccolo killed him before he reached his final form and no info about defeating Buu very likely Frieza wouldn't bother retaining thinking his full power will be enough.
7:59 I don’t think it’s likely for goku to get ssj because The power is in response to a need and it’s up to goku to find that need for the power.Also it took goku seeing his best friend die in front of him in order to get it.And cool vid btw
5:16 this art is so sick
Nappa, Freiza would be like paper lol...
I wish they would do a what if series about Dragon Ball Z and show each time ring for each time change
People keep forgetting that Piccolo trained A LOT between the Namek Saga and his fusion with Kami. He would have lost badly to Frieza either way, although probably pushing Frieza to his 4th form.
What do you mean either wayif he had trained he would have been stonger than ssj which is stronger than freizas full power fprm
I mean that without the year between Namek Saga and Trunks arriving and without the 3 years training with Goku and Gohan for the Androids, Piccolo's fusion would be considerably weaker, to the point where he couldn't beat Frieza even fusing with Nail AND Kami. He was already near SSJ level before fusing with Kami, and didn't get THAT much stronger, since he still couldn't beat Android 17. Which means the fusion didn't make him, say, 100x stronger. Piccolo was on par with 2nd Form Frieza, which was considerably weaker than Frieza's full power (according to power levels, almost 100x weaker).
The problem with a lot of the Super conjecture is a lot of the later events only happened due to Goku's interactions with others. If Whys doesn't train goku, and Frieza doesn't train, everything is fine at the end of Super, Beerus just shows up now and then for snacks and nothing bad happens from there out.
This should have been one of the universes in the tournament of power and there should have been a dvd special for it.
Nice. Almost At 100k Subs.
4:52 That's a nice neighborhood
if Piccolo would have killed Vegeta then the fusion between Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be possible meaning we would not have the strongest characters in Dragon Balls.
It’s just a theory but piccolo won’t kill vegeta because he knew goku had let the chance off when krillin was going to kill him
Here in the future timeline the dragon ball balls should be active since dende would be the guardian instead of kami ..So this should change things
Oh interesting point!! But the thing is though I could see Dende dying by the Androids out of boredom after they get their hands on the dragon balls, wish for everything they ever wanted, besides their assigned purpose of murdering Goku since he died of the heart virus, and can't be brought back. Although considering the present timeline's androids, they could show sympathy and keep him alive and be redeemed, but I doubt it?
@@nearthe2nd dragon balls being active even for a limited period can drastically alter the events..Its impossible to exactly gauge .
@@dr.samarsarkar8791 It's a reasonable guess considering the character of the Future Androids, after they use all of the 3 wish from the new Shenron Dende made, I can see him being killed by them. They don't really enjoy much besides causing destruction, and they can just do that themselves. Material things would get boring. I don't know if they'd wish anyone else back to fight and kill again, but that's a possibility, but that kinda sounds boring from their perspective, they'd just win again. Maybe they'd wish for a New Goku to fight if Shenron could do that.
@@nearthe2nd well for this to happen..The androids would have to first find all the dragon balls and 2. No one is going to tell them they are wish granting balls in the first place..
@@dr.samarsarkar8791 Think of it this way, Future Gohan would want to resurrect the Z Fighters. But immediately when the sky gets dark, and a giant dragon emerges into it speaking of granting wishes with a booming voice, the Androids if they are nearby are just going to go in and hijack the wishes, and then murder or remurder anyone they like before the Z Fighters can train. And get pissed that they can't bring Goku back and become even more destructive
Why are you just recently getting 100k subs? You're among if not THE most credible Dragonball youtuber i've been watching you for years and I know you know your shit. I guess people are too much into powerscalers and versus debaters now.
What if trunks went back to the Piccolo Jr saga and trained goku. Maybe trunks could also turn Piccolo good faster by explaining everthing that happened in the future. I see Piccolo helping against a common foe since he did it against raditz
Damn this would've made for a pretty interesting story. Not that the original was bad but Piccolo playing a greater role definitely changes it for the better
I don’t think gohan would let piccolo kill vegeta since he helped them against ginyu force and frieza and he also helped goku recover…
Can u do a video about what will happen to piccolo after ToP? Everyone is talking about goku and vegeta in the broly movie but piccolo has his own poster and standing next to both of them. I wonder y they chose him?
What if piccolo fused with King Piccolo in addition to kami and nail? That's the real question!
Omg it would be pure hell fr...They should do that...
King Piccolo is Piccolo jr he placed his soul in Piccolo that's the only reason Kami didn't die and he has a life link with Kami
LaughingStockMedia can you imagine a Super Namek god Super Namek? Now imagine Ultra Instinct Piccolo. If only Piccolo would have trained with the angel Whis and lord Beerus in Dragonball Super.
With Nail as well, curb stomps Frieza
Actually since Future Trunks' timeline is separate from the main timeline he'd still exist and would most likely convince the Z fighters to bring Vegeta back. Also if for whatever reason the main timeline being different would change Trunks' timeline there is the possibility that because Vegeta was never a factor Future Gohan could have ended up hooking up with Bulma and Trunks would just happen later in the timeline and it would take longer for him to go back unless he goes back younger than he was in the original story. I'm thinking that could be a slim possibility because if Vegeta wasn't around and Yamcha was dead the only other person Bulma was vaguely interested in, but she didn't act on those feelings because Chichi was Goku and I'd think since Gohan would essentially be the last guy she'd know on earth she may have developed feelings for him when he matured because she'd see Goku in him.
Hey Mike!
Piccolo would not have killed Vegeta on Namek. During the Piccolo vs. 2nd Form Frieza fight in the original story, Vegeta tried to escape and Frieza stopped him, saying he was saving him for later. Had Piccolo-Kami been fighting Frieza, Frieza would have been too occupied to be able to do this. It's also unlikely that Piccolo would have stopped him, since Piccolo's main objective was the destruction of Frieza, and he would not have seen Vegeta as a threat anymore. Also, with Kami's positive influence, it's unlikely that Piccolo would have sought revenge against Vegeta. And even if Piccolo DID try to kill Vegeta, I think there's a decent chance that Gohan would have intervened and talked him down. Gohan wanted to jump in and help Vegeta when Frieza was beating the crap out of him, and Krillin stopped him. So it seems that by that point Gohan cared enough about Vegeta to think he was redeemable. After all, he had saved their lives multiple times.
Frieza probably would have tried blowing up Namek like he did in the main story, and, provided he messed it up the same, Piccolo would have been able to kill him in the "five minutes" before Namek exploded, since Piccolo did not have a fetish for letting his opponents reach their full power.
So with Vegeta still alive, the rest of the show would have gone on pretty much the same, except I think that Piccolo in Trunks' future would have at least been able to hold off the Androids and run away. King Cold seemed shocked when Frieza awoke from his surgery and demanded to go to Earth, so it's unlikely he would have done it on his own. And since no one else even knew about him, including, it seems, King Kai, there would have been no desire among the Z fighters to hunt him down.
Your entire video rests on the assumption that Piccolo kills Vegeta, but I don't think that would happen for the reasons stated above.
If they use the dragon balls to wish back everyone killed by frieza and assuming namek is still around then vegeta would be wished back too and from there I see him training in secrecy, getting to around goku and piccolos level, and going back to earth to seek revenge.
I’m not sure if Goku would go SSJ without the need. I’m sure something would attack them. I’m not sure if this is possible but I been watching a lot of your videos lately. I’d like to see a what if about when you think Vegeta achieved SSJ and why he didn’t consider gohan being able to do it to and use him as his prodigy. Similar to when vegeta and gohan faught on earth after they got wished there it seemed he would of trained gohan under him
All Goku needs is the tingly feeling and he's good lol
Would Cell be as evil without Frieza and King Cold's cells? If not, then what if he had a change of heart like 17 and 18
and when the cells can change the personality?
@@felixmartinez9673 well Frieza was portrayed as pure evil. So it would make sense to me that if Cell only had Namekian, Human, and Mostly Saiyain Cells, he'd be more inclined to turn sides and just wanna fight. That's why i believe he chose to even have the Cell Games
Cell was never really Evil, he was moving only by his insticts. Is it evil to eat other Creatures? Not really, especially not your own race.
instincts and years of literal brainwashing
I agreed with what alot of what you said untill you talked about Trunks not existing. Seeing as Bulmas time machine worked on the multiverse theory vs a linear timeline, things in another universe couldve played out how they originally did in DBZ, so Trunks could certainly still show up, whether he would want revenge on Piccolo for killing Vegeta idk
thats not how it works. Trunks and bulma split the timeline themselves. there is never a timeline in which vegeta doesnt go to Earth after Namek because the timeline splits after that.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 not to get too far into multi-verse theory. But if you have infinite universe then everything that could possibly happen has a happened in one universe or another. Everytime there is a divergence, there is a split in the timeline and new universe is created
He would probably be on par with full power freeza, about gokus level considering hia current power, maybe greater its hard to really tell. Would he still bother fusing with nail as well? Big what if.
That is a good question. Fusing with Nail did make him tougher than Frieza's second transformation. He might have deemed it not necessary but did so anyway because Nail wanted to wreck Frieza. A lot of people Forget Nail was extraordinarily powerful and may have been able to single handedly defeat the Ginyu Force and the rest of Frieza's men if he intervened sooner.
well it says he was around 42000, i believe around Recoome level, but possibly everyone one on one but i think if jiece and burter teamed up who knows. Power levels are wacky.
at the time, not so wacky
Namek is when they started getting weird.
Well Nail was gonna Die so they might have just done him a solid and fused with him anyway.
It’s weird... the way they talk up the boost he was gonna get if he had done it before Namek and the one he actually gets don’t end up lining up much.
I know his power up had to fit the narrative at the time...
But he goes from barely below a Super Saiyan to significantly below Super Saiyan Grade 2.
Like barely one small upgrade to go from being strong enough to demolish the first androids to being roughly on par with the second.
I feel like he should at least have been Semi Perfect Cell level, or they could have offered something like his body had not yet fully become accustomed to his newfound strength.
On Namek w/ Nail he was booted from mid Ginyu force level to a little below 3rd Form Frieza... which numerically was like 30k to above 2 million, an enormous power boost.
Nail made a bigger impact then Kami did >_>
I wanna see the grand elder back in his younger days see how the universe was then
Being completely honest, I don’t really think Piccolo would let Giro get away like they all did in the main timeline. I think with no Vegeta and a sick Goku, Piccolo would’ve taken them both out immediately. If he could nearly match up with 17 then he could take Giro not only easily, but thoroughly. To add, I see more of a chance of Piccolo losing to Dabura before he would let someone as “weak” as Giro get away.
Piccolo is best dad and best uncle. And best babysitter. And best trainer for babies. Change my mind.
I think Kami could have fused with Piccolo just before Vegeta showed up. Kami could see the good coming through in Piccolo, and though Piccolo wouldn't be exactly down for it, Kami would reveal just how strong Vegeta actually is, and would say that they could defuse again after the fact.
Laughingstock Media, you talk about how Vegeta would be dead and Trunks wouldn't come back to the past, but Vegeta died b/c neither Piccolo or Gohan stood any chance against Frieza, but if Piccolo is SSJ level, then Piccolo would've defeated Frieza and Vegeta would have never died.
Nail+ Kami + Kaioken would overpower 17, Piccolo is close to 17 with Nail and Kami...stacking it with KaioKen would destroy 17...That would have stopped Cell to become semi perfect cell...Even if Imperfect Cell is stronger than Piccolo...Super Vegeta would have finished Cell...
no he wont and cant. Piccolo is nowhere near 17 and is killed with ease along with everyone else on Earth. why would he have kaioken?
why would Vegeta finish Cell when vegeta's a braindead idiot who'd toy around until Cell blows himself up, killing the entirety of earth
Do a video what if on trunks staying and training with the z fighters for those 3 years instead of going back
The biggest problem with Piccolo before Namek would be Dr. Gero would have seen it and thus made the Androids stronger then Piccolo and the situation would have been even more dire.
That dark ending is going off the assumption vegeta stays dead
Wait a minute wouldn't everyone have recognized Future Gohan? If so then none of them would've let him leave and he would've been stuck training with them for the next three years too. Especially since Goku is his f*cking father (who still cares immensely about him as shown when Piccolo told him Gohan isn't a fighter, and in the Buu saga when he thought Gohan was _dead_ ), Gohan is his counterpart and Piccolo is Piccolo.
Hell I could even see *_Chichi_* forcing both versions of Gohan to train.
Honestly, I don't see Goku wanting Vegeta dead. I believe he would also wish him back along with the z fighters and namekians who were killed by frieza and his men. For the sake of wanting to push himself to even greater heights. Along with Vegeta.
nice
Honestly I'm more curious about what if Kami was given eternal youth by Shenron to restore him to his prime and THEN reunite with Piccolo. How big of a difference would that have made?
What's the track at 13:00 called? If anyone could answer it'll be greatly appreciated
I know spy drones were around as stated by cell vs. piccolo pt. 1 but I don't understand, Dr. Gero had NO type of information about namek whatsoever and said himself that the progress that he got from the Z-fighters up until the saiyan saga was more than enough information to have the Androids more than strong enough to defeat all the Z-fighters, but cell still has Frieza's cells??? BUT the information was MORE than enough from the saiyan saga meaning their progress was done being added to the Androids and cells strength, I don't get it.
Basically the negative effects is not “had picolo fuzed” but had vegete died
Wouldn't future Trunk's timeline remain unchanged, even if Vegeta was killed. Nothing changed in the future timeline despite the events of the cell arc when Trunk's went back to the future. Zamasu is a good example as well, so future Trunks would still come back in time only he wouldn't exist in the main timeline.
If Vegeta died trunks never would have a been born in any timeline
Why does no one ever mention about piccolo fusing with kami and wishing king piccolo back to COMPLETE the fusion (and one could say piccolo jrs siblings like tambourine etc) because if they all reunited together into the original nameless namakian + the years of experience and training it would be an even more powerful and effective fusion
Many people forget that King Kai also has instant transmission.
He told me to sub so I did
Thanks.
I wish dende would get his potential unlocked by old kai.😒
Would have clapped friezas cheeks so bad it wouldn't even be funny
How is that even possible
You do realize piccolo had 3yrs of training against goku + he fused with nail.
I dought he could even keep up with final for frieza while using 10%
Piccolo is a super saiyan level with kami .. nail only doubled his power level not very much Piccolo was about 530k when he arrived on namek Tien could take on both burter and Jiece and Piccolo smiled in confidence and went on to fight frieza in his 1st form and nail confirmed piccolo's power is high (but he didn't know piccolo was wearing weights)
hakeim james Piccolo isn't like goku. He would never have allowed frieza to get anywhere near full power. He would have seen the threat and killed frieza immediately.
You can't say that Trunks wouldn't exist as his timeline would've still have Piccolo not fused with Kami.
Since Broly is canon, the z warriors might have sought him out to complete the super saiyan god ritual. I could also see Paragus arguing that Broly should be the one to get the transformation, Goku challenging Broly to a fight & ultimately losing to Broly since Goku is so much weaker, there's no Vegeta, and no one knows the fusion technique. After that, SSG Broly would probably rip Beerus to shreds & potentially become U7s new god of destruction
I think he would’ve killed 2nd form Frieza before Frieza could go into his third form. Which probably wouldn’t have too much effect on the future until the buu arc.
Goku and Piccolo would be able to beat Frieza but It would be more difficult and winning the tournament shouldn’t be a problem tbh Piccolo would do everything Vegeta did then get recked by Hit and same shananigans happen,Similar events to the Zamasu arc would occur but it’s difficult to know what would happen exactly
Quicker fight than Frieza and Goku? Dude that fight only lasted 5 minutes. Idk how he'd make that quicker?
You forgot the magical solution: fusion kek xd
Out of jokes, Piccolo was supposed to fuse with goku in buu saga, so I can see them being extremely strong and able to overcome everything together.
Androids would be stronger cause what happens on earth stays on earth
JetBlack Jay Lmfaooo was that a Kendrick reference
R.I.P vegeta and frieza
Im chiming in late here but when you said future trunks wouldn't exist if vegeta was dead, you don't consider that future trunks timeline is an entirely seperate universe and our universe and future trunks timelines don't affect each other in such direct ways
The perfect time for this to happen is during the three year Time skip between mecha Frieza and king cold and the Androids piccolo realizes he needs to get stronger he fuses with kami and he’s first form cell level without him absorbing the people and goku seeing this he may realize the super saiyan wall may be able to be passed he finds graded two while gohan is a super saiyan off rip
Father of the year!!!
With Goku alive after the Cell Saga couldn't he and Chi Chi have more children after Goten. It is likely that Goten is even stronger than in the main time line because he achieved Super Saiyan with just Chi Chi's training. If Goten trained with Goku and Piccolo he would be even stonger than with just Chi Chi's training.
Another side effects would be that Goku never learned instantaneous movement when returning from Namek and no fusion dance as Goku would not have learned it after the Cell Games. Elder Supreme Kai wouldn't be released by Gohan which also means no Potara Fusion either.
If Piccolo defeated Frieza on Namek and then they travelled peacefully back to Earth afterward then Goku most likely wouldn't have contracted the heart virus he got during his time after his battle with Frieza but before returning to Earth. So that would change a lot of things again in regards to how the beginning of the Android threat would've taken place. Goku would be alive, with his only newly acquired SSJ form during training after coming back peacefully from Namek after Piccolo defeated Frieza. Piccolo would still most likely be the strongest, and who knows what would be of Vegeta, since in the original timeline Frieza killed him and he was wished back. So would he have even travelled back to Earth with the others after Piccolo defeated Frieza?...nobody even thought about that. Such a deep subject. Brain fooooodddd!!
No Vegeta also means that if Z team somehow survived the ToP that Brolly still walks all over Earth. Unless Goku fusion danced with someone, and even then... But then again, without a revived F then Brolly never gets found either...
1:54 "friend shup" hah...no he got a son and got to understand through hes own family
Ive missed the what ifs
I like this story more than the real one
All of this bc of one thing that's crazy to think how this probably would have happened. Now imagine if Goku didn't let go of Raditzs tail he never would have met King Kai so no Kaio Ken and no SPIRIT BOMB so he would have needed to rely on the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Piccolo hopefully would have fused with Kami at this point does Goku become stronger than Nappa maybe vegeta no way. Piccolo would definitely beat Nappa and maybe vegeta between fusing with Kami and also training in the chamber
Wow a timeline without vegeta just doesn't sound right .. Maybe piccolo doesnt kill vegeta as you say since he does team up with gohan and krillin .
If Piccolo and Kami have reunited at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z he would have mollywhop Nappa and Vegeta and then he would have mushed Frieza
Basically, don’t kill Vegeta, or you’re screwed.