he won't get laid either way even if the androids were spared in that universe. the androids there compared to the ones in the main universe were way less humane and will probably force goku to destroy them
I Agree also, Goku would had got his ass whooped too in battle. they would not have to prepare for them because they didn’t get heads up. And cell would had killed everybody.
wait, why would he go train with Uub? Did I miss something? There was no Buu in this timeline, and Goku definitely didnt make that wish for Buu's reincarnation.
Agreed. Trunks killed Babidi,and Debora in his timeline. Preventing Buu from being born. Same thing would probably happen here. Meaning, like you say, no Buu, so no Uub.
He would have probably challenged Goku more than once in those 3 years, until he became a super Sayan as well, thou he would still lose, so that in itself, would have made both Goku and Vegeta stronger than the Androids
@@eddieantoni9853 To be fair, they forced Gohan to turn Mystic. Special Beam Cannon hardly hurt one of them. Piccolo just got hit by a mouth beam in exchange.
Cell would be a "villain of the week" villain in this timeline, a goofy one off character from the past who's offed probably by Gohan or some other side character.
This. The strain of the virus was a long running Zenkai boost and then a full Zenkai boost when it almost killed him, probably specifically boosting his stamina which was one of his greatest strengths coming out of the hippo logic lion tamer.
LowbrowDeluxe I don’t think Zenkai boost work like that. You can only get it as a result of battle damage. Not every time you get a disease or illness.
@@heatlifer3640 but the ultra-divine water goku drank when he was a kid did give a zenki(or at least most people say so) which means like poison or toxins can also give the boost, it is not unreasonable to think surviving a disease to do the same.
@Games He'd more care about the fact that the androids were no more so he could never become complete. He would also be laughably weaker than the rest of the fighters on earth, so he'd probably just terminate himself.
@@supersaiyanshonathan That's what Laughingstock Media said, "Cell wouldn't be born until after the End of Z". Cell had a long incubation period. The Cell we know came from the future where Trunks had already killed 17 & 18. Then killed Trunks, stole his time machine, and came to the timeline we know. If Goku, Vegeta, and the others killed 17, and 18, then Bulma wouldn't have invented the time machine out of necessity. Meaning Cell would have been born years later to a world of SS Blue characters, and no way to absorb the other androids. He would be stuck at Imperfect Cell, and get stomped. Even if the others spared the androids, and he absorbed them. It would still be DBZ level perfect Cell vs characters with God ki.
8:40 I beg to differ. Easiest argument against this is “Goku literally hired an assassin to kill himself just to have a decent fight and for training purposes.” But that’s in super... Sooooo. 1. Goku allowed Piccolo Jr. to escape with his life knowing PJ wanted to kill him. But Goku wanted a good fight. 2. Letting Vegeta escape with his life knowing Vegeta wanted to kill him. Simply cause he wanted a good fight. 3. Giving Freeza energy to survive and allowing him to live knowing Freeza wanted to kill him. So... the part in Super where Goku hires hit to kill him is actually pretty accurate to the character. And Goku training with Vegeta during a time Vegeta wanted to kill him wouldn’t be a big deal to him. He might decide against training with Vegeta for other reasons (like Gohan’s hidden power) but it’s definitely not cause Vegeta wants to kill him.
Frieza does state he'll just have to get stronger himself, before hearing of Majin Buu, although it's only after Majin Buu that he settles of his '4 months' plan. It's debatable whether he'd train for that long, but not out the realms of possibility.
@@LiamAnthony_ I think he'd go off to earth the verry second he achieved golden and could activate it at will. Pretty sure that's what he did orginally.
@@BL4NK.F4C3 "window licker" - that's a funny insult, I've never heard that one before, guess that stands for mentally challenged or something like that Too bad that it doesn't sound cool in my own language Anyway, have a great day guys
If Vegeta went to the lookout with Goku I am pretty sure he would insist in going into Time Chamber first before Goku and Gohan. Then while Goku and Gohan get their turn in the Time Chamber Vegeta will go get payback on the Androids and easily kill them.
I believe in the funimation dub trunks specifically states that goku will die of the heart virus in one year and in three years the androids will show up. So if my math is correct the androids arrived two years after Goku's death. So if Goku never died of the heart virus and continued his training then Goku would have three years to train. Now the question is how much stronger would goku have gotten in that time.
The whole "goku doesnt know how strong he needs to be while training" is very bad logic. When he was training on his way to namek he had no idea that the ginyu force or frieza or even vegeta would be there. He still trained like crazy just to get stronger. Same would happen here likely. He could just ask bulmas dad to make another gravity chamber and this time make it 200 times earths gravity at its limit.
Unpopular Opinion: Goku would not have survived. Future 17 and 18 killed everybody in the initial encounter. And it is implied that Gohan wasn't even around during the main fight when everyone died. 17 and 18 in the future timeline would have killed Goku quickly, probably in 20 seconds like 17 did with Future Vegeta, and not give him a chance to run away.
No Super Saiyan 2 either. If Goku killed 17 or 18 then Cell wouldn’t have reached perfection. Without Cell reaching perfection, Gohan wouldn’t have become a Super Saiyan 2 so it would’ve made that level unknown. They’d probably all be using the “Ultra Super Saiyan” form that he displayed in the time chamber to Gohan.
@@heatlifer3640 I get that but at the same time Cell also spewed out 18 with a nice lil punch from Gohan so either way you go whether Goku forfeited or not the zenkai boost from either Gohan or Goku the outcome would've been the same....but that's just my opinion 🤷
I like this what-if scenario but you have to keep in mind. Trunks stated that he stood somewhat of a chance against the androids which is how he knew they were much stronger in the main timeline than in his own timeline. And when he first encountered Goku they were equal in strength. 3 years after this encounter, Goku would have been much stronger against the fight against Android 17 and 18 and likely would have defeated them. yes their energy lasts forever, but he has always been good at figuring out his opponents when in his right state of mind. Goku pre 3year-timeskip was able to match Future Trunks also pre-3 year time skip so there is no way vegeta could have potentially been stronger than Goku in the original timeline.
What about one on what if Goku took his heart medicine? It doesn't sound too different I know, but in this scenario it is a possible that Goku and then later Vegeta would be able to prevent Dr. Gero from getting away then freeing 17 & 18. Which brings up two new possibilities, 1. Would Celll be able to just go on over to the Lab and absorb 17 & 18 and 2. Would Cell still just attempt to go around absorbing humans until the Z fighters eventually confronted him. Personally I think imperfect cell in his earlier power would get shit stomped by either of the Saiyans, but if he ever got up to anywhere near the power where he fought Piccolo the second time there would be no stopping him
Just a note- Uub can't exist if Buu isn't hatched. In fact, even if he was hatched, there's still no guarantee that Uub would happen. It took a very precise and convoluted chain of events to facilitate the birth of Uub in the original. There are also a lot of factors present in the original Buu saga that are unlikely to be possible if Goku never died (Super Saiyan 3 and Fusion Dance). That said, I think you might want to consider the possibility that Buu could have been hatched in this scenario. Even if they manage to defeat Dabura, it's possible he would still put up enough of a fight that it could generate the necessary energy to hatch Buu. In such an event, the plot would divert considerably. Goku still wouldn't know Super Saiyan 3 in this scenario, nor would he have learned about the Fusion Dance from the afterlife. It's still likely that Supreme Kai would bring someone (or several people) to his planet to pull out the Z Sword. So it's also possible the events with Elder Kai would still occur. And they may learn of the Potara Fusion from him. But without Gotenks being a thing, it may screw with the timing and give Buu more time to damage or destroy Earth (should similar events with Babidi's death and Super Buu's birth occur). I don't know how things would progress from there.
Can anyone honestly say they've seen Goku abandon a fight? Except for when he fought Cell but that was an exception. Otherwise it goes against his Saiyan Nature. Even with Instant Transmission he wouldn't of used it. By this time Vegeta is more powerful than Goku and yet he was killed by 17. So what chance does Goku have ? None. Any real dbz fan can figure out that every battle they've been in has been a blessing in disguise taking them to a higher level to meet the next challenge. Even if they manged to beat the Androids. The real threat would've been Cell when he wakes up later on because the Fly Spy would've still recorded data over the years. Meaning Cell would be alot more Dangerous. Unless Earth is destroyed before he's complete. Which it'd probably would've been because Goku and the others would've lacked the power needed to beat Dabura and Buu so the Saga would've ended there.
Honestly, if goku were to use his instant transmission intelligently he could save everyone a lot of trouble. Just teleport all your enemies straight to hell. problem solved.
@@maikobayashi1910 sayian pride wouldnt allow that. the most desperate thing goku has ever done was use spirit bomb and thats as far as he would ever go.
Where exactly are you getting that Vegeta was stronger than Goku? Just bc he was on par in the main timeline doesn’t mean he was in the original. Trunks said he could give the Androids of the past a decent fight on his own and Goku was stopping him with 1 finger. Yeah Goku said Trunks was holding back but when you’re getting stopped by a finger it’s pretty obvious you’d get easily clapped. And this is a Goku 3 years before they show up. I’ve personally always thought the portrayal of the story was that Goku’s death is the reason the future was in ruins and it seems to add up well. It’s also baseless to scale Goku as more than half of 17 off of Gohan when Gohan says he’s weaker than Goku. That could be 10x weaker or 2x it’s vague so it’s better to just go off of Trunks vs Goku. With Goku alive Vegeta would train harder so even if Goku couldn’t beat them both by himself Vegeta should be strong enough to make a difference
If I’m not mistaken, Goku learned the fusion dance after he died against Cell during the 7 years between Buu. Not sure how much of a difference not having a Gotenks or Gogeta transformation would have been, but it is another ripple effect.
I wanna give tou an info that many people dont realise. Trunks Said that Goku got sick earlier in past, because of the changing of events. In the Future timeline 19 and 20 existed as well, the only difference was that Goku had more time tô beat 19 causing gero tô flee. And Vegeta's training would remain mostly the same, he was pursuing the super sayian transfotmation.
One small detail that was overlooked is that after trunks traveled back he said the androids were stronger than in his timeline, and if buu never awakened that and goku wasnt dead, then goku would have absolutely nothing compared to beerus and he would just kill everyone, but your version was more interesting
What if Goku teleported to Piccolo when he powered up like Cell did in the series? If Piccolo were saved then he could train with Vegeta(what a riot that would have been huh?) after fusing with Kami. All the surviving Z fighters could be much much stronger than they were in the original series.
I was always under the impression that it was kinda ambigous on if Goku or Vegeta were actually stronger during the sajyan saga since the heart virus in the main timeline but could be wrong. Interesting changes with the butterfly effect from the ripple of difference.
1. You forgot to mention Androids 19 & 20 encountering the Z Fighters before 17 & 18. 20 was the one that activated 17 & 18 so Goku would’ve been aware of the Androids. 2. If Piccolo was the first to die that would mean the 17 & 18 went to Kami’s lookout. Because if Piccolo had known these Androids were that much stronger if would’ve fused with Kami sooner. 3. If the lookout is attacked and Piccolo, Kami, and Popo had all been killed, no one would’ve told Goku and the gang about the Time Chamber. If Future Gohan had known about the time chamber if the future timeline I’m sure he had Trunks would’ve trained in it. Goku was strong enough to defeat 19 and 20 by himself. The Virus is the only reason why he didn’t. So if he didn’t have the virus, a fight with 17 and 18 would’ve came down to how long could Vegeta survive against 18.
Rhoxim you’re assuming 18 would’ve took Vegeta serious. She didn’t even like fighting or killing. She only did it cause she wanted to have fun with 17. She was more into shopping. And with that said, she would’ve toyed with Vegeta then killed him right after lol Vegeta wasn’t a Super Saiyan in the future timeline... well at least I don’t think he was
You forgot to mention the Metamorean Fusion Dance which Goku never learns in this version, so Gogeta Blue vs Broly never exists and they get beaten up by Broly, probably with the Universe under Frieza.
They would never discover potara fusion either. The Elder Kai told them about portara fusion and he doesn't exist here. I think Beerus would step in though once Broly's uncontrollable energy starts destroying the planet he gets all his delicious food from.
@@JackieFuckingChan as to potara, I would think the kais would goad goku into pulling the sword instead of gohan. a similar route could be taken then with goku swinging the sword around. goku would look at the sword as a challenge and accept it, and break the sword on katchin. its possible, but I could see it not working out that way too.
Many assumptions and stronger goes with depends or ifs : - One thing you did not mention are the andriods 19 and Dr.Gero , they appear and Goku got the virus against them. - I do believe Goku instant transmission is instantly fast and would be able to save Piccolo. We see him saving Piccolo and Tien from Cell really quickly. - Also when Piccolo survives , Kami will have a talk with Piccolo so they can fuse together, unless Goku suggest to use the hyperbolic time chamber before fusing - Vegeta would be a lot more weaker. I do believe in the timeline where Trunks cameback, Vegeta became Super saiyan faster and sooner because he saw Trunks and Goku flexing their transformation in front of him. - Gotenks will not be created due to Goku not been dead to learned it in the after life. Also no SSJ3 - Babidi and Dabura only arrive because they sense the power of the super saiyan 2 during the Cell games, and probably will not come there, unless Goku taps SSJ2 - One thing you forget to mention , due to Goku not having the heart virus , Goten would be born, and Goten would be training alongside Goku and Gohan.
I don't think Cell would be so weak in this timeline. Gero's supercomputer gathered data on all the strongest fighters on Earth until Cell's birth, and considering that guys like Babidi, Dabura, Beerus, Hit, Broly, revived Frieza and the much stronger main cast were around I believe they'd influence Cell's development and make him a threat greater than even Moro. Cell was also way more sneaky and cunning in his Imperfect form so he'd likely make sure to use the Dragonballs, revive the Androids, and absorb them to become Perfect.
Cell would be incomplete though. Even if he has techniques from Dabura, Hit, and Beerus, he will never reach the full efficacy of his power without the androids. If he used the dragon balls, the androids would come back in pieces like Frieza did and die immediately.
goku is a good father . when he was not dead or training he always spent time with gohan and his family . vegeta in the other han didnt even gave trunks a fucking hug
I believe if Goku never got the heart virus, the Z warriors could still manage to defeat the androids if Piccolo could fuse with Kami later on. Once they lose to the androids the first time then they could regroup and train at the Hyperbolic Time Chamber again. I also think that if they managed to defeat the androids in this saga, they'll have to fight Cell after the Buu saga since Cell was still in his infant state during the android saga.
Just started the video, my thoughta are that everything would be ok. Androids would be defeated either by goku and vegeta maybe super namekian piccolo, or theyd train in the htc. There would never be any seperate timelines, cell would eventually wake up but be destroyed basically immediately. Zamasu wouldnt have any timelines to go to and goku's regular contact with the supreme kais and beerus would likely mean hed be aware of zamasu's attempts at murdering the gods and would defeat him before he succeeds. Or, if zamasu does manage to slip past his radar, dragonballs can wish them back
So 16 wouldn't exist because of a butterfly effect? You could argue semantics all day there, because 16 was specifically designed by Dr Gero to kill Goku. I think that would carry over in any, and all timelines, unless there's one where Goku DOESN'T slaughter the Red Ribbon Army.
I'm very curious as to how exactly Goku got the heart virus. He lived out in the country and only had contact with his wife and son. And he couldn't have gotten it from them because they didn't get it. You said in the video that he didn't pick it up from yardrat, but I can't imagine where else he would have gotten it from. I did hear a theory that it was actually frieza's last laugh. Basically, frieza was a carrier for the heart virus but because of his biology he couldn't actually get sick from it.Goku on the other hand could. During the fight against frieza, there was a scene where Goku bit frieza's tail and the theory is that that's where he contracted the virus. However, the virus has a very long incubation period, and it took a few years to actually manifest itself and kill Goku.I realize that this theory is very far-fetched, but I honestly can't explain how Goku would have gotten the virus at all considering he never had contact with anyone outside of his immediate family.
You forgot that the computer that was used to incubate cell was collecting DNA constantly so shall would be a lot stronger angel and God level strong in his first form then he would use the dragonballs to wish 17 and 18 back and he would absorb them
A. he would have help fought and died against evil 17 and 18 still leaving growth for gohan and trunks B. he would have killed evil 17 and 18 and possibly cell and possibly goten being born and knowing goku from the start. then thats up for debate many other things could happen such as android 13 - 14 and 15 being canon,goten being a more hardened and serious fighter, but you gotta remember both timeline 2 and 3 were meant to be a dystopian future / downfall time line
The history of trunks special says that the Androids appeared 6 months after Goku died of the heart virus. Considering we saw the effects of the heart virus in the main timeline, Goku likely would have died from it only days after getting sick. And since we know from dragon Ball super that shenron can wish away sicknesses, if Goku was sick from the heart virus for a long time, his friends probably would have gathered the dragon balls and use them to wish away the heart virus. The fact that they didn't do this is further evidence that the virus kills you quickly, because they probably didn't have time. So Goku likely would have been training for two-and-a-half years right up until the day where he got the heart virus. And then he probably died a few days later.
Eh, I know it kind of gets forgotten but Goku would have got a power boost after the initial fight with Frieza plus the EXP from destroying Frieza and Cold together. Plus, Vegeta pretty much showed up on Earth to learn how to go Super Saiyan. There's no way after seeing that display, Vegeta isn't asking to be trained. I imagine seeing your former nemesis kill your greatest enemy and his father in one go with ease is going to make him have a real change of heart. The Vegeta in that time line would have been a real threat after training with Goku for 3 years.
Awnser: goku would allow gero to activate 17 and 18 for a better fight and then would have allowed cell to absorb the androids for an even better fight.
As I said Vegeta took out all of frieza's forces giving him frieza himself, would be to daggum greedy, Goku will always be the guy to finish off Frieza because he's the only one who never wanted to kill him out of revenge, (until he killed Krillin but that's a story for another time).
16:30 probably, gohan would get his potential unlocked by the kami-sama, shenron or namekian, or the supreme kai, and then, he would train with both goku, vegeta and whis inside the hyperbolic time chamber, probably kami should fuse with piccolo after unlock his full potential, and then, the other z fighters wiuld train together and get so much stronger then before. about the team, probably it would be: goku vegeta gohan piccolo tien krillin master roshi frieza majin buu (probably they would try to put him out of the egg) / majin dabura (he's so much stronger and should get even stronger if he trained with the z fighters) / uub (if they explain for him so fast, train him and blah blah blah) / yamcha / idk.
I like this content but there are a few things that I feel you left out; first if the Android Saga ended sooner and there was no Cell Games, then how did Gohan meet Videl? It was because of the events of the Cell Games and Gohan's superhero persona that led her to him but if she never saw the Cell Games, why would she be curious about Gohan? Also, even with Yamcha joining the team for the ToP that still leaves one spot to fill, who was the tenth fighter?
I believe that Goku being alive is why the other z fighters wouldn't die. and krillin getting laid. goku has the effect of his presence making everyone a bit nicer. cell would have to sneak more and hide his power level. computer would keep gathering data like for android 21 the hot female majin hybrid. the cells of the supreme kai might have gotten taken along with beerus if he ever bled. with goku alive, they would always be able to handle anything. goku represents hope and without him as the mood bringer of the cast, people would be depressed. darkness would take root.
Timeline depending. F.Trunks timeline, I think he might of died to the Androids since they seems much stronger there. Main timeline, probably more of the same that happens in the Manga with things in a different order. The Androids were kind of passive and really only focused on Goku.
Assuming that Goku DID go along with Bulma's plan and wish to know where Gero's lab is, he could have just caught him and had him put in prison. Dr. Gero was the lead scientists of the Red Ribbon Army, which was a terrorist organization. This makes Gero an international criminal. Alternatively, if Goku had a major problem with killing Gero, he could have just had Vegeta, Piccolo, or Krillin do it for him. All three of them believed in killing their enemies. Piccolo tried to talk Goku out of sparing Raditz. Krillin had to be talked out of killing Vegeta, and Vegeta could not be talked out of killing Burter and Recoome. SO Goku could have kept his own hands clean by just having one of them kill Gero and destroy the Androids. And Goku's rationale of Gero not having done anything wrong yet is ridiculous. He was a member of the lead terrorist organization in the world and made androids for them. His androids were probably used by the Red Ribbon Army to kill people, which, since Gero created them for that purpose, makes Gero an accessory to murder himself. I don't see why he wouldn't deserve the death penalty, even for things he already did. As for the Tournament of Power, it is possible that 17 and 18's absence would have made things harder for Universe 7. However, since Goku would not have died against Cell, he would have been around all that time to train Gohan, thus making him stronger. Plus, those two spots would probably have been filled by Yamcha and Chaotzu, who would have been eliminated early. However, if Goku knew he had a weak team, maybe he and Vegeta would have screwed around less and would have actually fused against Jiren, since fusing was obviously legal. So the absence of the androids would have been made up for by Gohan being stronger and Goku and Vegeta fusing since they knew they didn't have as many strong fighters on their team.
Actually I have a bit of issue here. I think is goku didn’t die 19 and 20 would still be the first androids to emerge. I believe the reason that 17 and 18 emerged first in trunks’ timeline Is that goku is dead. gearo’s prime objective that he’s programming into all his androids is null and void. So I think this caused something to go wrong and 17 and 18 rebelled just like they always do.
Wait wait, wouldn't be cell be super strong because it's been collecting DNA of the z fighters for the last 20 years making cell have the dna of Beerus and even whis???
Think it would similar to the android/cell sage without the 3yrs of training and trunks warning everyone but who knows. Trunks and cell not coming back In Time but then maybe they would all be killed because they would never have found cell in the hidden room and never prepared for the androids.
What if: SSJ2 Gohan attacks Imperfect Cell, then explodes, kills SSJ2 Gohan, Super Perfect Cell is born, then due to pure anger, guilt and rage Goku turns SSJ2. Can SSJ2 Goku defeat Super Perfect cell? What would happen to Gohan in heaven, would Kaioh train him, or Supreme Kai? Would they resurrect him instead?
7:55 You give Goku too much credit. He'd save Vegita and or Krillian first. Gohan would be lucky if Goku got out. Remember the Buu saga when Goku snatched up Hercule instead of his own kids, before Kid Buu atomized the planet?
The biggest difference is apparently that Krillin never gets laid.
Which leads to the super incel Krillin transformation
he won't get laid either way even if the androids were spared in that universe. the androids there compared to the ones in the main universe were way less humane and will probably force goku to destroy them
No Krillin destructo disc babymaker 📀👶🙄
imagine a never laid krillin in the ToP though.. all the aggression? he would've taken Jiren out
I Agree also, Goku would had got his ass whooped too in battle. they would not have to prepare for them because they didn’t get heads up. And cell would had killed everybody.
"heart virus"
Me: *looks at gokus diet* yeahh looks more like cardiovascular disease to me.
Ya viruses are healthy
it was covid lol
@@ChieftainHawke corana time travelled lmao
As team four said goku ate too much bacon didn't take the medicine because it was grape flavored
From Eating all that Yardrat Food
wait, why would he go train with Uub? Did I miss something? There was no Buu in this timeline, and Goku definitely didnt make that wish for Buu's reincarnation.
Agreed. Trunks killed Babidi,and Debora in his timeline. Preventing Buu from being born. Same thing would probably happen here. Meaning, like you say, no Buu, so no Uub.
That is what I thought
Yeah that was a big plot hole in itself. Instead of training Uub, Goku would likely try to train Caulifla and Kale, or possibly his granddaughter Pan.
@@Fadingxx
Unlikely Trunks would be strong enough to fight them (Buu saga villains) without traveling to the past.
Everything must be the same in Z because Z is a perfect gem that can’t do any wrong
Goku would get "I wanna fight you" virus this man never gets tired from fighting
You right.
It would become GT let me stop that was uncalled for.
Til he faced Majin Buu
@@markmagician2471 That was just a brief pause, don’t worry BoG had him getting re infecting by “I will fight everyone I see” virus.
Vegeta's training probably wouldn't have changed between timelines he always wants to push himself.
yeah but with goku dead a lot of his motivation would have been lost
He would have probably challenged Goku more than once in those 3 years, until he became a super Sayan as well, thou he would still lose, so that in itself, would have made both Goku and Vegeta stronger than the Androids
Khotta Bogard Vegeta was a Super Saiyan before Goku was effected by the Heat Virus in his battle against 19.
@@Al.j.Vasquez thats truth
How strong would Piccolo be if he fused with the Universe 6 Namekians from the Tournament of Power arc?
Bout the same lol. They fused with a whole planet and were easily deafeated. Easily.
@@eddieantoni9853 To be fair, they forced Gohan to turn Mystic. Special Beam Cannon hardly hurt one of them. Piccolo just got hit by a mouth beam in exchange.
Jiren strong
Eddie Antoni I feel like piccolo has way more potential than those namekians. He only fused with 2 of them and became super strong
About as strong as Goku and Vegeta now
Cell would be a "villain of the week" villain in this timeline, a goofy one off character from the past who's offed probably by Gohan or some other side character.
The giant Broccoli would be kind a hard though since the characters know idea how to fuse
They'd still know how to fuse tho
Sir Gee how
staticshadic how do you think gotenks learned it
@@Amiracole Goku learned the Technique in the 7 Year Timeskip. If he stayed alive he would never learn Fusion.
@@Y0G0FU wait yeah my bad lmao just realized
I think goku would be able to beat cell who is growing in Gero's lab. Cell is from the original timeline.
The original timeline is screwed, there is literally no one there, it’s sad
I always wanted to believe that the virus would give Goku a god like Zenkai boost.
This. The strain of the virus was a long running Zenkai boost and then a full Zenkai boost when it almost killed him, probably specifically boosting his stamina which was one of his greatest strengths coming out of the hippo logic lion tamer.
LowbrowDeluxe I don’t think Zenkai boost work like that. You can only get it as a result of battle damage. Not every time you get a disease or illness.
@@heatlifer3640 but the ultra-divine water goku drank when he was a kid did give a zenki(or at least most people say so) which means like poison or toxins can also give the boost, it is not unreasonable to think surviving a disease to do the same.
He’d probably be able to train more to beat Cell.
Cell wouldn't be born in this timeline until after the End of Z. There wouldn't be any time travel or Cell Games.
@@LSMMIKE cell is growing in gero's lab
@Games He'd more care about the fact that the androids were no more so he could never become complete. He would also be laughably weaker than the rest of the fighters on earth, so he'd probably just terminate himself.
@@supersaiyanshonathan That's what Laughingstock Media said, "Cell wouldn't be born until after the End of Z". Cell had a long incubation period. The Cell we know came from the future where Trunks had already killed 17 & 18. Then killed Trunks, stole his time machine, and came to the timeline we know. If Goku, Vegeta, and the others killed 17, and 18, then Bulma wouldn't have invented the time machine out of necessity.
Meaning Cell would have been born years later to a world of SS Blue characters, and no way to absorb the other androids. He would be stuck at Imperfect Cell, and get stomped. Even if the others spared the androids, and he absorbed them. It would still be DBZ level perfect Cell vs characters with God ki.
@@Fadingxx he wouldn't be able to even be able to absorb them since both 18 and especially 17 got stronk.
"Goku would save his son......"
*Buu Arc* *leaves Gohan for Hercule*
I feel like without Buu the Moro Arc changes considerably, due to how his time as the Lord of Lords was integral to the story.
8:40
I beg to differ. Easiest argument against this is “Goku literally hired an assassin to kill himself just to have a decent fight and for training purposes.” But that’s in super...
Sooooo.
1. Goku allowed Piccolo Jr. to escape with his life knowing PJ wanted to kill him. But Goku wanted a good fight.
2. Letting Vegeta escape with his life knowing Vegeta wanted to kill him. Simply cause he wanted a good fight.
3. Giving Freeza energy to survive and allowing him to live knowing Freeza wanted to kill him.
So... the part in Super where Goku hires hit to kill him is actually pretty accurate to the character. And Goku training with Vegeta during a time Vegeta wanted to kill him wouldn’t be a big deal to him.
He might decide against training with Vegeta for other reasons (like Gohan’s hidden power) but it’s definitely not cause Vegeta wants to kill him.
Golden Freeza won't happen without Buu. Goku defeating Buu is one of the reasons why Freeza decided to train.
It was not the prevailing reason why he decided to train, it was largely because Goku handily defeated him
Frieza does state he'll just have to get stronger himself, before hearing of Majin Buu, although it's only after Majin Buu that he settles of his '4 months' plan. It's debatable whether he'd train for that long, but not out the realms of possibility.
@@LiamAnthony_ I think he'd go off to earth the verry second he achieved golden and could activate it at will. Pretty sure that's what he did orginally.
I read "What if Beerus got the heart virus?"
Don't ask how, because I don't know either
Whis would heal him and that would be the end of it
@SonicHe can't Hakai everything 😑
@@craigpeoples9883 It's a joke you window licker
@@BL4NK.F4C3 "window licker" - that's a funny insult, I've never heard that one before, guess that stands for mentally challenged or something like that
Too bad that it doesn't sound cool in my own language
Anyway, have a great day guys
@@BL4NK.F4C3Yeah a really bad joke
If Vegeta went to the lookout with Goku I am pretty sure he would insist in going into Time Chamber first before Goku and Gohan. Then while Goku and Gohan get their turn in the Time Chamber Vegeta will go get payback on the Androids and easily kill them.
14:58 As soon as I saw Master Roshi I immediately thought of Heavenly Controller LOL. "I'm too old for this..."
I love this video solely for Vegeta being a Suburu Saiyan
I believe in the funimation dub trunks specifically states that goku will die of the heart virus in one year and in three years the androids will show up. So if my math is correct the androids arrived two years after Goku's death. So if Goku never died of the heart virus and continued his training then Goku would have three years to train. Now the question is how much stronger would goku have gotten in that time.
Actually no the funimation dub said after Goku died, the androids emerged 6 months later.
The whole "goku doesnt know how strong he needs to be while training" is very bad logic. When he was training on his way to namek he had no idea that the ginyu force or frieza or even vegeta would be there. He still trained like crazy just to get stronger. Same would happen here likely. He could just ask bulmas dad to make another gravity chamber and this time make it 200 times earths gravity at its limit.
@Sun Wu-Entai 90With how Vegeta trains I doubt he'd be above Goku
If Ginyu never stole his body he would have lost to Frieza easily
Didnt trunks say the androids were weaker in his timeline?
Yes
Unpopular Opinion: Goku would not have survived. Future 17 and 18 killed everybody in the initial encounter. And it is implied that Gohan wasn't even around during the main fight when everyone died. 17 and 18 in the future timeline would have killed Goku quickly, probably in 20 seconds like 17 did with Future Vegeta, and not give him a chance to run away.
You and Swagkage delivering the HITS today😂
You forgot to mention the most important detail of this What If?
No SSJ3
No Super Saiyan 2 either. If Goku killed 17 or 18 then Cell wouldn’t have reached perfection. Without Cell reaching perfection, Gohan wouldn’t have become a Super Saiyan 2 so it would’ve made that level unknown. They’d probably all be using the “Ultra Super Saiyan” form that he displayed in the time chamber to Gohan.
@@heatlifer3640 I get that but at the same time Cell also spewed out 18 with a nice lil punch from Gohan so either way you go whether Goku forfeited or not the zenkai boost from either Gohan or Goku the outcome would've been the same....but that's just my opinion 🤷
@@heatlifer3640 never mind i read your comment again and yeah that makes total sense too
Goku was way too soft to kill the androids during that period, Trunks would be the one to kill the androids if he came out the time chamber by himself
I like this what-if scenario but you have to keep in mind. Trunks stated that he stood somewhat of a chance against the androids which is how he knew they were much stronger in the main timeline than in his own timeline. And when he first encountered Goku they were equal in strength. 3 years after this encounter, Goku would have been much stronger against the fight against Android 17 and 18 and likely would have defeated them. yes their energy lasts forever, but he has always been good at figuring out his opponents when in his right state of mind. Goku pre 3year-timeskip was able to match Future Trunks also pre-3 year time skip so there is no way vegeta could have potentially been stronger than Goku in the original timeline.
What about one on what if Goku took his heart medicine? It doesn't sound too different I know, but in this scenario it is a possible that Goku and then later Vegeta would be able to prevent Dr. Gero from getting away then freeing 17 & 18. Which brings up two new possibilities, 1. Would Celll be able to just go on over to the Lab and absorb 17 & 18 and 2. Would Cell still just attempt to go around absorbing humans until the Z fighters eventually confronted him. Personally I think imperfect cell in his earlier power would get shit stomped by either of the Saiyans, but if he ever got up to anywhere near the power where he fought Piccolo the second time there would be no stopping him
Just a note- Uub can't exist if Buu isn't hatched. In fact, even if he was hatched, there's still no guarantee that Uub would happen. It took a very precise and convoluted chain of events to facilitate the birth of Uub in the original. There are also a lot of factors present in the original Buu saga that are unlikely to be possible if Goku never died (Super Saiyan 3 and Fusion Dance).
That said, I think you might want to consider the possibility that Buu could have been hatched in this scenario. Even if they manage to defeat Dabura, it's possible he would still put up enough of a fight that it could generate the necessary energy to hatch Buu.
In such an event, the plot would divert considerably. Goku still wouldn't know Super Saiyan 3 in this scenario, nor would he have learned about the Fusion Dance from the afterlife. It's still likely that Supreme Kai would bring someone (or several people) to his planet to pull out the Z Sword. So it's also possible the events with Elder Kai would still occur. And they may learn of the Potara Fusion from him. But without Gotenks being a thing, it may screw with the timing and give Buu more time to damage or destroy Earth (should similar events with Babidi's death and Super Buu's birth occur). I don't know how things would progress from there.
Ultimate Goku...
Me: *reads the title.
also me: Good for him.
Can anyone honestly say they've seen Goku abandon a fight? Except for when he fought Cell but that was an exception. Otherwise it goes against his Saiyan Nature. Even with Instant Transmission he wouldn't of used it. By this time Vegeta is more powerful than Goku and yet he was killed by 17. So what chance does Goku have ? None. Any real dbz fan can figure out that every battle they've been in has been a blessing in disguise taking them to a higher level to meet the next challenge. Even if they manged to beat the Androids. The real threat would've been Cell when he wakes up later on because the Fly Spy would've still recorded data over the years. Meaning Cell would be alot more Dangerous. Unless Earth is destroyed before he's complete. Which it'd probably would've been because Goku and the others would've lacked the power needed to beat Dabura and Buu so the Saga would've ended there.
If they beat 17 and 18 then no perfect or semi perfect cell right?
Honestly, if goku were to use his instant transmission intelligently he could save everyone a lot of trouble. Just teleport all your enemies straight to hell. problem solved.
@@maikobayashi1910 sayian pride wouldnt allow that. the most desperate thing goku has ever done was use spirit bomb and thats as far as he would ever go.
Where exactly are you getting that Vegeta was stronger than Goku? Just bc he was on par in the main timeline doesn’t mean he was in the original. Trunks said he could give the Androids of the past a decent fight on his own and Goku was stopping him with 1 finger. Yeah Goku said Trunks was holding back but when you’re getting stopped by a finger it’s pretty obvious you’d get easily clapped. And this is a Goku 3 years before they show up. I’ve personally always thought the portrayal of the story was that Goku’s death is the reason the future was in ruins and it seems to add up well. It’s also baseless to scale Goku as more than half of 17 off of Gohan when Gohan says he’s weaker than Goku. That could be 10x weaker or 2x it’s vague so it’s better to just go off of Trunks vs Goku. With Goku alive Vegeta would train harder so even if Goku couldn’t beat them both by himself Vegeta should be strong enough to make a difference
If I’m not mistaken, Goku learned the fusion dance after he died against Cell during the 7 years between Buu. Not sure how much of a difference not having a Gotenks or Gogeta transformation would have been, but it is another ripple effect.
I wanna give tou an info that many people dont realise. Trunks Said that Goku got sick earlier in past, because of the changing of events. In the Future timeline 19 and 20 existed as well, the only difference was that Goku had more time tô beat 19 causing gero tô flee. And Vegeta's training would remain mostly the same, he was pursuing the super sayian transfotmation.
One small detail that was overlooked is that after trunks traveled back he said the androids were stronger than in his timeline, and if buu never awakened that and goku wasnt dead, then goku would have absolutely nothing compared to beerus and he would just kill everyone, but your version was more interesting
I still can’t see MR. give everybody a second chance actually killing Frieza and King Cold.
What if Goku teleported to Piccolo when he powered up like Cell did in the series? If Piccolo were saved then he could train with Vegeta(what a riot that would have been huh?) after fusing with Kami. All the surviving Z fighters could be much much stronger than they were in the original series.
I was always under the impression that it was kinda ambigous on if Goku or Vegeta were actually stronger during the sajyan saga since the heart virus in the main timeline but could be wrong.
Interesting changes with the butterfly effect from the ripple of difference.
1. You forgot to mention Androids 19 & 20 encountering the Z Fighters before 17 & 18. 20 was the one that activated 17 & 18 so Goku would’ve been aware of the Androids.
2. If Piccolo was the first to die that would mean the 17 & 18 went to Kami’s lookout. Because if Piccolo had known these Androids were that much stronger if would’ve fused with Kami sooner.
3. If the lookout is attacked and Piccolo, Kami, and Popo had all been killed, no one would’ve told Goku and the gang about the Time Chamber. If Future Gohan had known about the time chamber if the future timeline I’m sure he had Trunks would’ve trained in it.
Goku was strong enough to defeat 19 and 20 by himself. The Virus is the only reason why he didn’t. So if he didn’t have the virus, a fight with 17 and 18 would’ve came down to how long could Vegeta survive against 18.
We already know the answer to that. Doesn't take much more than a kick tbh to lay out the prince of all saiyans
Rhoxim you’re assuming 18 would’ve took Vegeta serious. She didn’t even like fighting or killing. She only did it cause she wanted to have fun with 17. She was more into shopping. And with that said, she would’ve toyed with Vegeta then killed him right after lol Vegeta wasn’t a Super Saiyan in the future timeline... well at least I don’t think he was
You forgot to mention the Metamorean Fusion Dance which Goku never learns in this version, so Gogeta Blue vs Broly never exists and they get beaten up by Broly, probably with the Universe under Frieza.
They would never discover potara fusion either. The Elder Kai told them about portara fusion and he doesn't exist here. I think Beerus would step in though once Broly's uncontrollable energy starts destroying the planet he gets all his delicious food from.
@@JackieFuckingChan
as to potara, I would think the kais would goad goku into pulling the sword instead of gohan. a similar route could be taken then with goku swinging the sword around.
goku would look at the sword as a challenge and accept it, and break the sword on katchin. its possible, but I could see it not working out that way too.
Goku: unlocks "The Legendary Super Saiyan"
Broly:....
I think most people didn’t get it lmao.
Many assumptions and stronger goes with depends or ifs :
- One thing you did not mention are the andriods 19 and Dr.Gero , they appear and Goku got the virus against them.
- I do believe Goku instant transmission is instantly fast and would be able to save Piccolo. We see him saving Piccolo and Tien from Cell really quickly.
- Also when Piccolo survives , Kami will have a talk with Piccolo so they can fuse together, unless Goku suggest to use the hyperbolic time chamber before fusing
- Vegeta would be a lot more weaker. I do believe in the timeline where Trunks cameback, Vegeta became Super saiyan faster and sooner because he saw Trunks and Goku flexing their transformation in front of him.
- Gotenks will not be created due to Goku not been dead to learned it in the after life. Also no SSJ3
- Babidi and Dabura only arrive because they sense the power of the super saiyan 2 during the Cell games, and probably will not come there, unless Goku taps SSJ2
- One thing you forget to mention , due to Goku not having the heart virus , Goten would be born, and Goten would be training alongside Goku and Gohan.
No 19 or 20 cause this is trunk orginal timeline
I want this to continue all the way until the moro arc
I don't think Cell would be so weak in this timeline. Gero's supercomputer gathered data on all the strongest fighters on Earth until Cell's birth, and considering that guys like Babidi, Dabura, Beerus, Hit, Broly, revived Frieza and the much stronger main cast were around I believe they'd influence Cell's development and make him a threat greater than even Moro. Cell was also way more sneaky and cunning in his Imperfect form so he'd likely make sure to use the Dragonballs, revive the Androids, and absorb them to become Perfect.
Cell would be incomplete though. Even if he has techniques from Dabura, Hit, and Beerus, he will never reach the full efficacy of his power without the androids. If he used the dragon balls, the androids would come back in pieces like Frieza did and die immediately.
The computer stopped collecting data after Freeza and his father arrived, as Cell states himself.
Gohan and Batman, masters of Plot Armor
goku is a good father . when he was not dead or training he always spent time with gohan and his family . vegeta in the other han didnt even gave trunks a fucking hug
Great video man keep up the good work.
I believe if Goku never got the heart virus, the Z warriors could still manage to defeat the androids if Piccolo could fuse with Kami later on. Once they lose to the androids the first time then they could regroup and train at the Hyperbolic Time Chamber again. I also think that if they managed to defeat the androids in this saga, they'll have to fight Cell after the Buu saga since Cell was still in his infant state during the android saga.
Teenage Terminators had me dying
A Teddy Long reference in a dragon ball video. What a time to be alive.
If goku never got the virus he would have died from 17 &18
He can use instant transmission to escape along with Gohan or Vegeta
Just started the video, my thoughta are that everything would be ok. Androids would be defeated either by goku and vegeta maybe super namekian piccolo, or theyd train in the htc. There would never be any seperate timelines, cell would eventually wake up but be destroyed basically immediately. Zamasu wouldnt have any timelines to go to and goku's regular contact with the supreme kais and beerus would likely mean hed be aware of zamasu's attempts at murdering the gods and would defeat him before he succeeds. Or, if zamasu does manage to slip past his radar, dragonballs can wish them back
At the strength he’s at he’s planetary...why do you think no one except bulma was worried
Imagine being a few years away from godhood but then you got Saiyan Ebola
So 16 wouldn't exist because of a butterfly effect? You could argue semantics all day there, because 16 was specifically designed by Dr Gero to kill Goku. I think that would carry over in any, and all timelines, unless there's one where Goku DOESN'T slaughter the Red Ribbon Army.
Goku would never teleport away he would accept his defeat
I'm very curious as to how exactly Goku got the heart virus. He lived out in the country and only had contact with his wife and son. And he couldn't have gotten it from them because they didn't get it.
You said in the video that he didn't pick it up from yardrat, but I can't imagine where else he would have gotten it from. I did hear a theory that it was actually frieza's last laugh. Basically, frieza was a carrier for the heart virus but because of his biology he couldn't actually get sick from it.Goku on the other hand could. During the fight against frieza, there was a scene where Goku bit frieza's tail and the theory is that that's where he contracted the virus. However, the virus has a very long incubation period, and it took a few years to actually manifest itself and kill Goku.I realize that this theory is very far-fetched, but I honestly can't explain how Goku would have gotten the virus at all considering he never had contact with anyone outside of his immediate family.
So basically frieza aids
@@clxpnujs3379 no cause in Earth other people had it too
Maybe he didn't get it from yardrat but got it because he was on yardrat for a year,and Earth 🌎 adapted his body
I actually love your videos
imagine if that virus same as corona virus and all we need is trunks from the future
You forgot that the computer that was used to incubate cell was collecting DNA constantly so shall would be a lot stronger angel and God level strong in his first form then he would use the dragonballs to wish 17 and 18 back and he would absorb them
A. he would have help fought and died against evil 17 and 18
still leaving growth for gohan and trunks
B. he would have killed evil 17 and 18 and possibly cell
and possibly goten being born and knowing goku from
the start.
then thats up for debate many other things could happen
such as android 13 - 14 and 15 being canon,goten being a more
hardened and serious fighter,
but you gotta remember both timeline 2 and 3 were meant
to be a dystopian future / downfall time line
What if Goku’s Heart Virus turned him into Zombie
zombie goku would be terrifying and unstoppable... you know how he gets when hes.... hungry....
Smugstick made a video about that
@@katsumiskytower8714 remember it's actually been stayed repeatedly he gets considerably weaker when hungry? Original dragon ball
@@WhatHappenedIn-vt3vq that's true, so maybe zombie goku would just keel over
The history of trunks special says that the Androids appeared 6 months after Goku died of the heart virus. Considering we saw the effects of the heart virus in the main timeline, Goku likely would have died from it only days after getting sick. And since we know from dragon Ball super that shenron can wish away sicknesses, if Goku was sick from the heart virus for a long time, his friends probably would have gathered the dragon balls and use them to wish away the heart virus. The fact that they didn't do this is further evidence that the virus kills you quickly, because they probably didn't have time. So Goku likely would have been training for two-and-a-half years right up until the day where he got the heart virus. And then he probably died a few days later.
Goku had medicine to fight the virus in the main timeline though. So this virus must have killed him pretty fast.
Frieza might not be as strong because he wouldn't of heard of goku beating buu in this timeline, therefore probably fucking himself in the process
I wish we could name the virus Covid 19.
maybe because kakarot ate a bat
@Seven V it is a respiratory disease dont respond just read it but leaving a like or dislike it if you dislike my comment
Goku= no heart virus= massive power drop
In the special shows Future Trunks Bulma already had Baby Trunks so it should be in a time span of months.
Is Vegeta going to get the heart virus now that he’s been to Yardrat.
It was a worldwide disease plus it was never stated to be originated from yardrat
Only can imagine those fireworks
Eh, I know it kind of gets forgotten but Goku would have got a power boost after the initial fight with Frieza plus the EXP from destroying Frieza and Cold together. Plus, Vegeta pretty much showed up on Earth to learn how to go Super Saiyan. There's no way after seeing that display, Vegeta isn't asking to be trained. I imagine seeing your former nemesis kill your greatest enemy and his father in one go with ease is going to make him have a real change of heart. The Vegeta in that time line would have been a real threat after training with Goku for 3 years.
Awnser: goku would allow gero to activate 17 and 18 for a better fight and then would have allowed cell to absorb the androids for an even better fight.
So nothing at all changes save for goku being awake this time to see it
I think kame and piccolo would merge still to be prepared for a future threat.
As I said Vegeta took out all of frieza's forces giving him frieza himself, would be to daggum greedy, Goku will always be the guy to finish off Frieza because he's the only one who never wanted to kill him out of revenge, (until he killed Krillin but that's a story for another time).
16:30 probably, gohan would get his potential unlocked by the kami-sama, shenron or namekian, or the supreme kai, and then, he would train with both goku, vegeta and whis inside the hyperbolic time chamber, probably kami should fuse with piccolo after unlock his full potential, and then, the other z fighters wiuld train together and get so much stronger then before.
about the team, probably it would be:
goku
vegeta
gohan
piccolo
tien
krillin
master roshi
frieza
majin buu (probably they would try to put him out of the egg) / majin dabura (he's so much stronger and should get even stronger if he trained with the z fighters) / uub (if they explain for him so fast, train him and blah blah blah) / yamcha / idk.
6 months after he died The Androids showed up
lol did u just call the androids teenage terminators lol
In the first time lime only 16 was stronger than Goku.
I like this content but there are a few things that I feel you left out; first if the Android Saga ended sooner and there was no Cell Games, then how did Gohan meet Videl? It was because of the events of the Cell Games and Gohan's superhero persona that led her to him but if she never saw the Cell Games, why would she be curious about Gohan? Also, even with Yamcha joining the team for the ToP that still leaves one spot to fill, who was the tenth fighter?
I wish people would use decimate correctly. It means reduce by a factor of ten. So reduce by ten percent.
nice video bro
13 years until the Androids arrive
I'm glad all this lead to 17 not being in the tournament of power and that makes me happy.
17 was literally the mvp and he won the tournament.
Short answer he would 1 shot them all
I believe that Goku being alive is why the other z fighters wouldn't die. and krillin getting laid. goku has the effect of his presence making everyone a bit nicer. cell would have to sneak more and hide his power level. computer would keep gathering data like for android 21 the hot female majin hybrid. the cells of the supreme kai might have gotten taken along with beerus if he ever bled. with goku alive, they would always be able to handle anything. goku represents hope and without him as the mood bringer of the cast, people would be depressed. darkness would take root.
Timeline depending. F.Trunks timeline, I think he might of died to the Androids since they seems much stronger there. Main timeline, probably more of the same that happens in the Manga with things in a different order. The Androids were kind of passive and really only focused on Goku.
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I enjoy your wrestling references
Also Goku and Vegeta may be stronger considering there competitive relationship and Goku being alive when the androids arrived
Hmmm, okay, then what if Goku didn't get the heart virus in the main timeline, but Trunks' timeline stays the same?
Assuming that Goku DID go along with Bulma's plan and wish to know where Gero's lab is, he could have just caught him and had him put in prison. Dr. Gero was the lead scientists of the Red Ribbon Army, which was a terrorist organization. This makes Gero an international criminal. Alternatively, if Goku had a major problem with killing Gero, he could have just had Vegeta, Piccolo, or Krillin do it for him. All three of them believed in killing their enemies. Piccolo tried to talk Goku out of sparing Raditz. Krillin had to be talked out of killing Vegeta, and Vegeta could not be talked out of killing Burter and Recoome. SO Goku could have kept his own hands clean by just having one of them kill Gero and destroy the Androids. And Goku's rationale of Gero not having done anything wrong yet is ridiculous. He was a member of the lead terrorist organization in the world and made androids for them. His androids were probably used by the Red Ribbon Army to kill people, which, since Gero created them for that purpose, makes Gero an accessory to murder himself. I don't see why he wouldn't deserve the death penalty, even for things he already did.
As for the Tournament of Power, it is possible that 17 and 18's absence would have made things harder for Universe 7. However, since Goku would not have died against Cell, he would have been around all that time to train Gohan, thus making him stronger. Plus, those two spots would probably have been filled by Yamcha and Chaotzu, who would have been eliminated early. However, if Goku knew he had a weak team, maybe he and Vegeta would have screwed around less and would have actually fused against Jiren, since fusing was obviously legal. So the absence of the androids would have been made up for by Gohan being stronger and Goku and Vegeta fusing since they knew they didn't have as many strong fighters on their team.
Actually I have a bit of issue here. I think is goku didn’t die 19 and 20 would still be the first androids to emerge. I believe the reason that 17 and 18 emerged first in trunks’ timeline Is that goku is dead. gearo’s prime objective that he’s programming into all his androids is null and void. So I think this caused something to go wrong and 17 and 18 rebelled just like they always do.
Wait wait, wouldn't be cell be super strong because it's been collecting DNA of the z fighters for the last 20 years making cell have the dna of Beerus and even whis???
Lots of what-if possibilities.
I thought Vegeta would have got the Virus post MORO battle
Think it would similar to the android/cell sage without the 3yrs of training and trunks warning everyone but who knows. Trunks and cell not coming back In Time but then maybe they would all be killed because they would never have found cell in the hidden room and never prepared for the androids.
Poor Gohan, put aside again.
10 years later Goku wouldn't be able to train with UUB because he was never born LOL
What if: SSJ2 Gohan attacks Imperfect Cell, then explodes, kills SSJ2 Gohan, Super Perfect Cell is born, then due to pure anger, guilt and rage Goku turns SSJ2. Can SSJ2 Goku defeat Super Perfect cell? What would happen to Gohan in heaven, would Kaioh train him, or Supreme Kai? Would they resurrect him instead?
@Seven V True, but Gohan prevented that by containing the explosion on himself, and not affect the planet much.
Say it with me loud for HIS TRUE FATHER PICCOLO
7:55 You give Goku too much credit. He'd save Vegita and or Krillian first. Gohan would be lucky if Goku got out.
Remember the Buu saga when Goku snatched up Hercule instead of his own kids, before Kid Buu atomized the planet?
That is because he needed him to help with making buu
@@shahdksisbdd9449 and vegeta here is stronger than gohan currently so he'd grab him to help in this fight.