@@Darkaria668 and I think he did, as he saved the planet and universe from king piccolo, piccolo Jr, the saiyans and frieza before he died. I'd say that qualifies as good enough. And he sacrificed himself in the raditz saga to save the planet
They need Goku with his instant transmission to reach new planet Namek. Bulma didnt have the resources to build spaceships (Trunks explained that in Dragon Ball canon), she have had barely managed to make time machine.
Yeah, that was the only part I found unbelievable. Like, 16 years of continuous apocalyptic death and destruction would likely stamp out any remaining vestiges of that. Considering Future Trunks has such a different personality and mindset from his Present self, Future Gohan should be the same.
You know, I have a feeling Goku would've learned how to do the fusion. "Gotenks" (but with Gohan of course) would be a huge possibility in this timeline.
@@DaddyLeonEdwards why? Is just a tecniche that fuses people it is pretty much like a stronger version of person does spirit bomb the other person gives all their ki on it then person 1 absorbs it like Goku did in a movie
Goku would die immediately after been revived, the heart virus, remember it? Unless Whis has power the destroy the virus too which I really don't doubt since he is an angel.
@@calvinkopp1735 Future Beerus: Nah, I'll either get a Saiyan from a repugnant planet or keep on sleeping. That totally won't have consequences later on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@rafaelferreira7408 I wouldn't be sure about it being instant. Besides, there was a medicine for it in the future, so they'll just give it to him quickly.
Because the story needed to happen but funnily enough all that’s needed to prevent a scenario like this from happening is just saying Babba died. If she’s dead the entire scenario falls apart as her powers are literally the glue that holds this story together.
Already Popo not getting ignored like King Kai and the dead Z Fighters would change this all, especially not Neo Namek (already the Namekians Dragon Balls) getting ignored. Sadly this great story needed to happen, and I love how at least the Special showed and actualized the still living family, friends and broader Z Fighters, struggling just like Gohan, Trunks and Bulma. Chichi, Ox, Roshi, Puar etc, those parts were gems.
@@triforceofcourage100 But funnily enough, Baba, King Kai, Dende, Popo etc are untouchables. Especially Baba, she would be completely safe and into shelter, no way she would expose herself, as the video also mentioned.
I feel like goku would have achieved ssj2 in the afterlife with 17 years of training seeing as he went from ssj grade 1 to ssj2 and even 3 in around 8 years. But the story was still great and I have no complaints, keep up the amazing videos Carthu!
I think it was more like 11 years, right? 1 year between the fight with Freeza to meeting trunks (while in grade 1 ssj), then three years to the arrival of the Androids, then seven more years until the Buu arc. So yeah, 11 years to get from SSJ 1 to SSJ3.
@@eveningswan4491 same because he said all of the z fighters except for Goku and vegeta were revived using the dragon balls but vegeta still could’ve been given a new body in order to be revived but also krillin would’ve stayed dead as he already was revived by the earths dragon balls
You should have had a heartfelt scene of Goku reuniting with Future Chichi before his first & last time in the living realm was up before Gohan & Trunks went in the hyperbolic time chamber. It would have been very wholesome. 🤧
That is what happened. That’s he didn’t go fight the androids himself. He told Gohan and Trunks to fight their own battle so he could beat some guts with his last remaining time.
I think this is a fantastic story up and could be a great 'Sequel/alternate' to Dragon Ball Z. Gohan would get his true arc like they CLEARLY were setting up in the original story. This would allow a fresh take and not be limited to stories we have already seen. This would COMPLETELY change the story and you could create new threats but with a hardened Gohan and Trunks as the main characters making things VERY different as a DBZ story. Fun stuff Carthu.
Best What If involving only One Timeline. This What if is the Best one part you have done Carthu. The Future ends POSITIVE. Favorite One Part What If as of NOW.
Personally, I prefer there would only be 1 single timeline. Like do what if the time machine didn't create an alternate timeline, in other word, what if the time machine actually change history in trunk's own timeline?
the thing that makes me truly angry with the end of the zamasu arc is that the UNIVERSE is gone. No otherworld. No beerus, just nothing. That means that future goku, piccolo, tien, krillin, gohan and THE KIDS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TOO PROTECT FOR THE ENTIRE ARC are just ERASED. I'd say that was the worst thing too ever come out of dragon ball super.
This video put a smile on my face. I love the more or less "everything goes right" in the video. Sure there could be negatives down the road, but what we get here is nothing short of a good end. :)
A timeline with Gohan and Trunks being the premiere fighters sounds amazing! I thought DBZ was trying to shift it's focus to Gohan being the protector of Earth anyways.
@@darnell16player no toriyama just didn’t know if he could write a compelling story with gohan as gohan mostly avoids fighting and trouble while goku seems to attract it.Also it’s mostly Japan that like goku the most. as the west at the time preferred gohan.
@@jlopez240gaming7 No Goku fanboys literally got so out of hand and toxic it was to the point it nearly got cancelled as a whole. Like are you fucking serious? This is why we can’t have nice things as a whole as a moron of a character being in charge while making the smarter people around him weaker nah that doesn’t make no type of sense! Intelligent people need the spotlight too and would do better over morons who are basically one dimensional
Oh, and how well they pulled that off. Saiyan Saga: Got his ass beat and almost killed Frieza Saga: Did fuckall important the entire arc besides bring the dragon balls Cell Saga: Was completely unimportant the entire arc until deus ex machina from hybrid Saiyan DNA Buu Saga: Was a lame ass superhero who slacked off, got his energy stolen like a loser, then became important for 5 minutes because of an even worse deus ex machina only to be absorbed
Man, i think this is actually my favorite video from your channel, right next to the series of "What if Gohan and Trunks trained in the Hyperbolic Time chamber" videos, where the future timeline is put right and everything ends well(as well as all of DBS events being erased from happening).
The original dragon ball timeline is where Cell kills future Trunks ,hijacks his Time Machine and travels to the past to bury himself underground with the goal of world of domination.
People do a lot of what-ifs that are completely outside of the characterization in Dragon Ball. Carthu does a good job of keeping characters as themselves
I dont get it fr, Gohan had so much potentiel, he litteraly survived for 17 years and couldn't take down the androids, there is just no logic in this anime
There is logic, you just have to think more about it. And it's pretty simple, Gohan probably didn't have the time to train to get stronger like everyone else because at the time he was the only hero left, and because he most likely was trying to save people from the Androids constant rampage. He didn't know about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, nor did he or Bulma know where New Namek was. He also didn't know there was a level beyond Ssj meaning he probably didn't know he could get stronger than he already had. The only option he could think of at the time was training Trunks and hoping he's able to take out the Androids one day. It's not bad logic, it's just a long list of bad luck that Gohan had for not being prepared against the Androids. The real logic that should be questioned is why Goku didn't do this in the first place.
@@PsychoSpartan687 17 years, u know saiyan get stronger after every fight? he prob almost died several times fighting them in this period, there is no way
@@rayvee2837 Could be that those Zenkai boost went straight to him becoming Super Saiyan, or he simply didn't get beaten up that badly. He could of focused on saving people from the Androids while avoiding fighting them as possible as he could, or only had fewer or had been protecting Chi-Chi, Bulma, and Trunks.
Very nice. Only thing I didn't agree with was Future Gohan having an ounce of pacifism left in him. Considering how different the two Trunks' are, Future Gohan should be the same.
Wouldn’t it be smart to wish for senzus and ask shenron if there was anyone left that knew how to grow them or wish for the knowledge to be transferred to bulma?
With that option, couldn’t you wish for anyone protecting the planet to be granted instant regeneration or an inexhaustible ki? Heck, you could make it so anyone who accepts the title and responsibility of earth’s guardian is immortal until they betray their station or retire, in which case the immortality is stripped and they ahead normal. But this is Toriyama we’re talking about.
@@nicholashernandez4611 well i dont think normal shenron is capable of granting inmortality or regeneration or an inexhaustible ki because he is fairly limited in power, you could ask porunga though or maybe the super dragon balls to be sure
@@max_garcia Fair enough. Maybe some medallion or ritual could unlock the guardian contract, which itself is a magical item that the dragon created for this purpose. Performing the ritual would grant the person access to this wealth of benefits, from youthfulness (prime of their lives kind of thing), immortality, regeneration, and inexhaustible ki. As long as the person honors the contract, those powers are granted to them. Maybe there could be a limit to how long the contract sticks or how many times one being can accept it, maybe even some demand of a duality so rivals would be needed for the ritual to succeed. That could be fun. Might have a fanfic in the making here...
@@max_garcia Normal Shenron granted immortality to Garlic Jr., he can do it. That even continues into super with Zamasu wishing himself to be ‘truly immortal’. If immortality is possible, the. youthfulness should be simple in comparison. Inexhaustible ki has never been offered, I’ll admit to that.
@@nicholashernandez4611 i never watched the movies, technically they aren’t cannon, I do say that youthfulness is possible cause demon king piccolo wished for it.
*Vegeta joins the chat* Vegeta : Oh , What are you doing? Everyone : What are we doing? Vegeta : Trying to bring me back? Everyone : Trying to bring you back? Vegeta : ARE YOU??? Everyone : Nope! Vegeta : Wait N-
I always wondered why goku never tried to help future gohan and trunks. He could've asked baba to revive him for one day and taught them how to master super saiyan form. This what if is exactly what should have happened.
Yeah, but that doesn't happen for some reason. The best attempted explanation is that Gohan is too tall for Trunks to make the alignment even. But even that's a stretch as their height disparity is less than Goku & Vegeta's.
Great story, I really love your understanding of DB lore its very different from other what if DBtuber who always want to reduce SPOTLIGHT from Goku or replace him from being the MC.
@@yolandasotto9863 Yeah as much as I like Masakox his what if videos started getting kinda weird at some point. A mix of oddly specific stuff like "what if Gohan got a cyborg arm and this somehow led to him and Trunks becoming God and being way stronger than Goku and Vegeta" and "What if character turned good and did extremely out of character things" or just flat out random shit like "what if Goku was female"
Good people who had been able to keep their bodies in the Afterlife can have special permission to return to the world of the living for a single day like what had happened with Son Goku in the Majin Buu Saga.
@@adamwade6243 worng fireza kep has body when hd died super profeed that so if firexa cna jkeep has bdoy vegeta wood kep ahs with out king ymea nee to do so super chgin ruels so what piclco sia in buu sag was bull shit lie
There's something I have never understood about the Future Trunks timeline and the timeline we know: why did Babidi appear 7 years after the Androids arrival whereas in Trunks ' s timeline he appears much later? Shouldn't Babidi have appeared whilst the Androids were destroying the Future timeline?
Not enough energy on Earth to revive Buu I guess. Babidi only showed up in the main timeline when he did because he was working more openly to revive Buu and that let Supreme Kai find him. It probably took Supreme Kai a lot longer to find him plus needing to spend more time gathering energy to revive Buu with most of Earth's population and nearly all their notable fighters gone.
I like to think that Babidi came to earth at the correct time, saw that earth was ruined, took buu's egg to space and tried to gather enough power to revive him, Shin was hunting him so Badidi was forced to come back to earth in order to avoid Shin and that's when Shin found Trunks, trained him etc.
Love this! This is really the most logical way to go. Although I’m a bit confused on your logic with Vegeta. Presumably no one else who died outside of the z fighters would’ve kept their body, right? Then how are they able to be wished back? Also it would be interesting to see your thoughts on the Frieza event still happening but just later in the timeline. Does Elder Kai still get released? Maybe he gives goku his life? So much potential for more story! Would love to see a part 2
That’s so sad, gohan was in hell on earth for 17 years and really had no one to talk to or even share his burden. Probably thinking he was failure for not being able to defeat the Androids. Seeing all his friends die, just fighting and hiding every single time, probably thinking he’s a coward. Fuck man, I know some people don’t like present gohan but his life is so much better than future gohans.
It would be sick to see Goku getting every edge he can to be over powered like things where he gets to Namek fast enough to get his potential unlocked. I see this all the time but not to point out ppl but some what ifs are lacking compared to the ones you produce
Wouldn't Piccolo have told Goku that Gohan didn't like fighting like how Goku liked fighting (like how he did in the Cell Games)? Would Goku help earlier after hearing that, or would nothing change?
I just love how people still don't understand the Power of the SSJ forms, but Carthu does After getting Grade 4, the Initial Power Boost is still x50, but like Grade 4 allows, they can then Power up to the Very Max of SSJ, double that with x2 by using SS2, then x4 that Power with SS3 initially, but then go Max Power with SS3 too, as the Full Power of SS3 is much stronger than the Initial Boost of x4 Inbetween there is also Trunks's Stronger SS2 state that gets the SS2 Power close to SS3 Levels, then if the needed Rage is there, they could evolve their SS2, like Vegeta, to become much more Powerful than SS3, even if your Base is weaker than the Base of the SS3 user, hence why Vegeta in his Evolved SS2 was stronger than Goku Black in SSJ in the Manga And after having the Powered up version, getting the Evolved state, that Vegeta kept in the Manga, how about now going SS3 and then the Max Power of SS3
Don’t pop a blood level buddy overthinking it. SSJ1 = Base Power X 50-60 multiplier SSJ 2nd grd = Base Power X 60 -70 multiplier SSJ 3rd grd = Base Power X 70-80 multiplier SSJ2 Base Power X 100+ multiplier SSJ3 : Base Power X 400+ multiplier SSJ are just multipliers. They can increase their power by just training base and multiplying it with transformations.
it still shocks me as i rewatch it to this day, how quick the TV special is but how much it adds to the universe, I really need a what if future gohan episode mode in sparking zero
He probably didn’t get to keep his body this time because he died of natural causes. I hear people say if the androids were a universal threat, (which they weren’t buu definitely was) yemma could have intervened and allowed it just like in the buu saga with vegeta.
dude diei if herus vurtis not nautral craus that nto ntuerla deaht sotp list to airka bul shit lie he dont udner that vuris is nto nrutal death you need and fireza kep has bdo when he died look a al lshit he did the kign yema sjti is lie if firrea can kep has bodyt dam wil vegeta cna do with out king ymea sayt
That wouldn't work lol. The moment Goku is revived, he would immediately die again due to the heart virus. If I'm not wrong, revival will bring back your body as it was right before death, like how Frieza was brought back in pieces in Resurrection of F. So Shenron would bring Goku back to life, with the heart virus still inside of him.
@@Genra That could actually make sense. But they would probably word it like. “ I wish Goku was revived healthy!” Or something. Don’t think that would work, but hey I guess we will never know
@@JackKennedy4747or Bulma could make medicine for the heart virus while goku is dead so when he comes back she can immediately give it to him and then bam issue solved right
Let's be honest, as cool as the original story was, this is logically what should've happened.
It it’s possible since he passed naturally due to a virus he didn’t get to keep his body in the afterlife
I’m not quite sure quite sure what the terms and conditions are to keeping your body
@@Darkaria668 that doesn't matter. Frieza got revived for a day by baba and he didnt have a body
@@Darkaria668 and I think he did, as he saved the planet and universe from king piccolo, piccolo Jr, the saiyans and frieza before he died. I'd say that qualifies as good enough. And he sacrificed himself in the raditz saga to save the planet
@@ppnexus2000
Freiza did have a body, his was specifically for him to have a bigger punishment
King Yama must hate all the paperwork the Androids are causing him.
Hahahaha true
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh please he could do that all paperwork in a single day he trained for this and his desk is made out of MAHOGANY
Imagine frieza's evil have done in galaxies. With so many lives taken
@@13th_Ghostly_Grimm Mahgohny
What if King Kai straight-up told everyone how to get to new Namek? Biggest plot hole in the future timeline given how frequently he contacted people.
Even if he knows where it is there is no way track it down or get there.
Actually not cause kai dont give a shit about a mere ppanet
They need Goku with his instant transmission to reach new planet Namek. Bulma didnt have the resources to build spaceships (Trunks explained that in Dragon Ball canon), she have had barely managed to make time machine.
@@pavy415space ship ain't hard
@@spidermanthreethousandso they couldn't tell Goku
Interesting take that future Gohan would retain that pacifist mindset even with the trauma from the future. Might be one of my favorite what ifs
Yeah, that was the only part I found unbelievable. Like, 16 years of continuous apocalyptic death and destruction would likely stamp out any remaining vestiges of that. Considering Future Trunks has such a different personality and mindset from his Present self, Future Gohan should be the same.
Goku has a heart of Gold
@@xptaco2298 where did goku come from
@@dublethetruble4620 What I mean is that Gohan inherited Gokus beliefs and his personality is based off on Goku's
@@Thuazabi well 16 years of death and destruction would only push him further towards pacifism seeing what violence and strength has caused
You know, I have a feeling Goku would've learned how to do the fusion. "Gotenks" (but with Gohan of course) would be a huge possibility in this timeline.
Gohanks.
Which is actually a thing.
@@NativS2002 Man that's some twisted shit if you think about it.
Bro that’s incest
@@DaddyLeonEdwards why? Is just a tecniche that fuses people it is pretty much like a stronger version of person does spirit bomb the other person gives all their ki on it then person 1 absorbs it like Goku did in a movie
Gohunks
Meanwhile in hell: "GOD DAMMIT NAPPAAAAAAA!"
Nappa: Hey Vegeta,look! it's demons :o
Nappa: hi I'm nappa and this is vegeta he was a prison BITCH.
@@justincovington2334 TFS 😂
@@AbgHadi TFS 😂
“Hey! Look Vegeta freiza is here! …. Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta freiza? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? VEEEEEGEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTAAAAAAAAAAAA???!!!!”
Goku: I can’t ever return to the living.
Whis: Allow me to introduce myself.
Beerus: Only I get to decide whatever or not to revive you and your friends to fight a Saiyan God.
Goku would die immediately after been revived, the heart virus, remember it? Unless Whis has power the destroy the virus too which I really don't doubt since he is an angel.
@@calvinkopp1735 Future Beerus: Nah, I'll either get a Saiyan from a repugnant planet or keep on sleeping. That totally won't have consequences later on.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@rafaelferreira7408 I wouldn't be sure about it being instant. Besides, there was a medicine for it in the future, so they'll just give it to him quickly.
@FEVRobert problem is that you can't be revived by the dragon balls due to natural death causes. A disease caught naturally is a natural cause.
Peace in a dragon ball timeline?
Thanos: Impossible
And dragonball does not even need a thanos. They already have one called beerus.
Lol Sanket
@@sanketvaria9734 Zamasu actually.
@@nightopia2911 thanos has nothing in common with zamasu
@@majikss thier motives are same and he is a powerful celestial being.
That honestly was so believable.
Makes me wonder why Goku didn’t do this in canon?
Because the story needed to happen but funnily enough all that’s needed to prevent a scenario like this from happening is just saying Babba died. If she’s dead the entire scenario falls apart as her powers are literally the glue that holds this story together.
Morro the goatman
Already Popo not getting ignored like King Kai and the dead Z Fighters would change this all, especially not Neo Namek (already the Namekians Dragon Balls) getting ignored.
Sadly this great story needed to happen, and I love how at least the Special showed and actualized the still living family, friends and broader Z Fighters, struggling just like Gohan, Trunks and Bulma.
Chichi, Ox, Roshi, Puar etc, those parts were gems.
@@triforceofcourage100 But funnily enough, Baba, King Kai, Dende, Popo etc are untouchables.
Especially Baba, she would be completely safe and into shelter, no way she would expose herself, as the video also mentioned.
Because Goku is an idiot lol.
I feel like goku would have achieved ssj2 in the afterlife with 17 years of training seeing as he went from ssj grade 1 to ssj2 and even 3 in around 8 years. But the story was still great and I have no complaints, keep up the amazing videos Carthu!
They didnt Know there were transformations beyond SSJ tho
@@4am555 goku and Vegeta originally assumed there was. Makes sense that goku would too in the future
I have complaints about his stories, they are good but he overlooks things some minor some major
I think it was more like 11 years, right? 1 year between the fight with Freeza to meeting trunks (while in grade 1 ssj), then three years to the arrival of the Androids, then seven more years until the Buu arc. So yeah, 11 years to get from SSJ 1 to SSJ3.
@@eveningswan4491 same because he said all of the z fighters except for Goku and vegeta were revived using the dragon balls but vegeta still could’ve been given a new body in order to be revived but also krillin would’ve stayed dead as he already was revived by the earths dragon balls
me just realizing that this timeline could've been more peaceful than the actual current timeline
Not enough power
Because they were all dead almost
Goku Black: hey dummy, you forget about ya boy?
@@TheVeryBestBaby This video is following the original timeline that didn't activate the time machine at all. So Goku Black can't happen.
You should have had a heartfelt scene of Goku reuniting with Future Chichi before his first & last time in the living realm was up before Gohan & Trunks went in the hyperbolic time chamber. It would have been very wholesome. 🤧
Knocking her up and goten pops out. 🎉
@@chesterullrich2525 Honestly, it should have happened before Goku died from the virus. Future Trunks would have been much better off than in canon.
And that's when goten would have come into the picture 😅
That is what happened. That’s he didn’t go fight the androids himself. He told Gohan and Trunks to fight their own battle so he could beat some guts with his last remaining time.
@@clipsin2007 You are do wrong for saying that 😂
I think this is a fantastic story up and could be a great 'Sequel/alternate' to Dragon Ball Z. Gohan would get his true arc like they CLEARLY were setting up in the original story. This would allow a fresh take and not be limited to stories we have already seen. This would COMPLETELY change the story and you could create new threats but with a hardened Gohan and Trunks as the main characters making things VERY different as a DBZ story. Fun stuff Carthu.
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you iwl neve se ina rc like this airka made it claer that gohan not fit take goku palce he dos not wnat that
@@ssjgotenks2009 what the fuck you speaking
Gohan being the main character was never the plan that’s just what angry gohan fanboys made up
It’s sad to see that people disliked before the vid even aired...
Right
Its either bots or 5 year olds
losses
No offense but after a while his personality became arrogant. I still like his content
@@Sammy_48 am I missing something or how has carthu become arrogant?
Goku coming up with a plan that establishes lasting peace is a refreshing thing to hear
android 17: Stop or I'll kill this man
Gohan: *doesn't stop*
android 17: kills the man
Gohan: *surprised pikachu face*
I would like to think that during gokus 24 hours he'd spend a little bit of time to talk to chi chi
i think securing the earths peace was more important to him
Yeah but if he was gonna leave it to gowan and trunks anyway he could have taken 20 seconds
@@peterstafford26 why? so he could remind her of what she lost and then dip forver to just let her cry even more?
Because he was struck down by the virus and didn't get to say a heartfelt goodbye , maybe even giving her some closure
Wouldn’t she be dead
Best What If involving only One Timeline. This What if is the Best one part you have done Carthu. The Future ends POSITIVE. Favorite One Part What If as of NOW.
Personally, I prefer there would only be 1 single timeline.
Like do what if the time machine didn't create an alternate timeline, in other word, what if the time machine actually change history in trunk's own timeline?
@@magueyeseck7382 Damon did that what if
@@midodan1254 I just watched it and it was cool.
@@midodan1254 Damon did a phenomenal work on the what if IMO.
the thing that makes me truly angry with the end of the zamasu arc is that the UNIVERSE is gone. No otherworld. No beerus, just nothing. That means that future goku, piccolo, tien, krillin, gohan and THE KIDS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TOO PROTECT FOR THE ENTIRE ARC are just ERASED. I'd say that was the worst thing too ever come out of dragon ball super.
Right that was the worst
What is worse is that those kids helping trunks were literally killed right after by infinite zamasu and then got erased. Talk about absolute sadness.
then again zamasu would've killed more ppl if he wasn't erased entirely so worth it i guess
@@Staro69 wouldn’t that mean that Zeno has shitty aim with his hakai?
@@megawarrior_101 well it's more of a controled any-range hakai
I have to say, these what if's are some of my favorite videos to watch on TH-cam. I thoroughly enjoy them!
Same here
Wow, Gohan for real said to 17 “Kill him, no balls” 😂🤦♂️
This video put a smile on my face. I love the more or less "everything goes right" in the video. Sure there could be negatives down the road, but what we get here is nothing short of a good end. :)
A timeline with Gohan and Trunks being the premiere fighters sounds amazing! I thought DBZ was trying to shift it's focus to Gohan being the protector of Earth anyways.
That was the plan until Goku fanboys complained about it and due to pressure it was changed back
@@darnell16player no toriyama just didn’t know if he could write a compelling story with gohan as gohan mostly avoids fighting and trouble while goku seems to attract it.Also it’s mostly Japan that like goku the most. as the west at the time preferred gohan.
@@jlopez240gaming7 No Goku fanboys literally got so out of hand and toxic it was to the point it nearly got cancelled as a whole. Like are you fucking serious? This is why we can’t have nice things as a whole as a moron of a character being in charge while making the smarter people around him weaker nah that doesn’t make no type of sense! Intelligent people need the spotlight too and would do better over morons who are basically one dimensional
Oh, and how well they pulled that off.
Saiyan Saga: Got his ass beat and almost killed
Frieza Saga: Did fuckall important the entire arc besides bring the dragon balls
Cell Saga: Was completely unimportant the entire arc until deus ex machina from hybrid Saiyan DNA
Buu Saga: Was a lame ass superhero who slacked off, got his energy stolen like a loser, then became important for 5 minutes because of an even worse deus ex machina only to be absorbed
@@darnell16player You keep convincing yourself of that, Gohan pfp.
Man, i think this is actually my favorite video from your channel, right next to the series of "What if Gohan and Trunks trained in the Hyperbolic Time chamber" videos, where the future timeline is put right and everything ends well(as well as all of DBS events being erased from happening).
Gohan: Why don’t you fight the androids dad?
Goku: Nah I don’t really feel like it.
When did this comment get so popular?
If goku was there he would’ve given them a senzu bean just for gohan to go ssj2
@@charliewilson9884 yeah I can see that happening
even if goku helped he would die again and won't exist anymore
@@luisbalbuena4088
Gohan: dad why don’t you stay and help
Goku: nah I’m good
@@charliewilson9884 well
This story is awesome, the entire time I was just thinking of how incredible this would be animated!
hell yeah, i can see you deff worked real hard on the script and jsut general research, inspirational
I ain’t gonna cap... I wanted to shed a tear when he said “We have acquired true peace”.
I’ve ALWAYS wondered this so thank you for making this video
When you think of it, future trunks' timeline is the original timeline
@Evil Goku oh yeah, u're right my bad
Wrong it was future-future trunk that cell killed and stole time machine
@sarcastic minecrafter yeah
Future Trunks Timeline: Original
Present Timeline: Main
Future Cell: Alternate Future
The original dragon ball timeline is where Cell kills future Trunks ,hijacks his Time Machine and travels to the past to bury himself underground with the goal of world of domination.
People do a lot of what-ifs that are completely outside of the characterization in Dragon Ball. Carthu does a good job of keeping characters as themselves
I never cease to learn something new about Dragon Ball from you. Keep up the good work!
I dont get it fr, Gohan had so much potentiel, he litteraly survived for 17 years and couldn't take down the androids, there is just no logic in this anime
It would have been better if the androids were training as well just to keep moving the end goal.
There is logic, you just have to think more about it. And it's pretty simple, Gohan probably didn't have the time to train to get stronger like everyone else because at the time he was the only hero left, and because he most likely was trying to save people from the Androids constant rampage. He didn't know about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, nor did he or Bulma know where New Namek was. He also didn't know there was a level beyond Ssj meaning he probably didn't know he could get stronger than he already had. The only option he could think of at the time was training Trunks and hoping he's able to take out the Androids one day. It's not bad logic, it's just a long list of bad luck that Gohan had for not being prepared against the Androids. The real logic that should be questioned is why Goku didn't do this in the first place.
@@PsychoSpartan687 17 years, u know saiyan get stronger after every fight? he prob almost died several times fighting them in this period, there is no way
@@rayvee2837 Could be that those Zenkai boost went straight to him becoming Super Saiyan, or he simply didn't get beaten up that badly. He could of focused on saving people from the Androids while avoiding fighting them as possible as he could, or only had fewer or had been protecting Chi-Chi, Bulma, and Trunks.
@@rayvee2837 zenkais were useless after Namek so no
You are seriously under rated man i am loving all of this ever since i started watching you a year ago. Keep it up man!!!
Isn't trouble the fun of dragon ball?
Remembers the spoilers*
Man I hope your right about this one😭
Oh dear...😂
What spoilers?
spoiler warning
goku gives moro a senzu bean and then moro absorbs the power of merus
@@whitegx-k5i Wtf goku was even thinking doing that.😂😂😂
Its almost as if he does all the stupid shit on purpose.
@@mahavirkang1887 The English translation's coming out today, so yay!
Goku: "With gohan alive there is nothing to worry about."
YEAH... ABOUT THAAAATTTTT
Very nice. Only thing I didn't agree with was Future Gohan having an ounce of pacifism left in him. Considering how different the two Trunks' are, Future Gohan should be the same.
This what if was amazing! Thanks for the amazing content!
In the manga Trunks was a super saiyan before Gohan died, there's no indication how young he was when he achieved it though.
History of trunks is canon
@@BC21beats Yes it is, but it was drastically changed in the anime
@@sebal7646 Gotta love Super constantly retconning Z. 🙄
Imagine future goku overseeing himself in the future fighting gods in the goku black arc
We need a fanfic about the future z fighters watching the Black arc
Yeah, and his reaction of Infinite Zamasu merging with the future macrocosm & future Zeno erasing everything.
bro imagine Goku being a supporting character... that's wild.
Honestly. If this was how Dragonball ended I would not have been mad. AT ALL
Wonderful. Just wonderful story telling. I salute you!
I think this is your best video so far really liked it can't wait for more
Gohan: Dad, how are we going to defeat the androids?!
Goku: No.
That ssj2 design looks fucking awesome
Wouldn’t it be smart to wish for senzus and ask shenron if there was anyone left that knew how to grow them or wish for the knowledge to be transferred to bulma?
With that option, couldn’t you wish for anyone protecting the planet to be granted instant regeneration or an inexhaustible ki? Heck, you could make it so anyone who accepts the title and responsibility of earth’s guardian is immortal until they betray their station or retire, in which case the immortality is stripped and they ahead normal.
But this is Toriyama we’re talking about.
@@nicholashernandez4611 well i dont think normal shenron is capable of granting inmortality or regeneration or an inexhaustible ki because he is fairly limited in power, you could ask porunga though or maybe the super dragon balls to be sure
@@max_garcia
Fair enough. Maybe some medallion or ritual could unlock the guardian contract, which itself is a magical item that the dragon created for this purpose. Performing the ritual would grant the person access to this wealth of benefits, from youthfulness (prime of their lives kind of thing), immortality, regeneration, and inexhaustible ki. As long as the person honors the contract, those powers are granted to them. Maybe there could be a limit to how long the contract sticks or how many times one being can accept it, maybe even some demand of a duality so rivals would be needed for the ritual to succeed. That could be fun.
Might have a fanfic in the making here...
@@max_garcia
Normal Shenron granted immortality to Garlic Jr., he can do it. That even continues into super with Zamasu wishing himself to be ‘truly immortal’.
If immortality is possible, the. youthfulness should be simple in comparison. Inexhaustible ki has never been offered, I’ll admit to that.
@@nicholashernandez4611 i never watched the movies, technically they aren’t cannon, I do say that youthfulness is possible cause demon king piccolo wished for it.
This is why you are my favorite what if youtuber 🤩
4 MORE HOURS!!
AWESOME!!!
Make that 2 more hour’s man
By the time you’er reading this, I’m watching the video live
@@raycongaming9534 I'm watching the video after the premiere
If you are reading this, the premiere was 3 hours ago
*Vegeta joins the chat*
Vegeta : Oh , What are you doing?
Everyone : What are we doing?
Vegeta : Trying to bring me back?
Everyone : Trying to bring you back?
Vegeta : ARE YOU???
Everyone : Nope!
Vegeta : Wait N-
Only Goku can make the difference, as was in the anime timeline. His influence alone is enough, I like that!
This is really interesting, wish they made this version or would come out with somethings like, fans should be able to produce these versions of dbz
I always wondered why goku never tried to help future gohan and trunks. He could've asked baba to revive him for one day and taught them how to master super saiyan form. This what if is exactly what should have happened.
If Goku had taught the two fusion.. that's would've been cool to end this story
Yeah, but that doesn't happen for some reason. The best attempted explanation is that Gohan is too tall for Trunks to make the alignment even. But even that's a stretch as their height disparity is less than Goku & Vegeta's.
Great story, I really love your understanding of DB lore its very different from other what if DBtuber who always want to reduce SPOTLIGHT from Goku or replace him from being the MC.
What youtuber is that
@@khiaalexander3062 Check out salad saiyan and masakox they often take out the spotlight on Goku.
@@yolandasotto9863 Yeah as much as I like Masakox his what if videos started getting kinda weird at some point. A mix of oddly specific stuff like "what if Gohan got a cyborg arm and this somehow led to him and Trunks becoming God and being way stronger than Goku and Vegeta" and "What if character turned good and did extremely out of character things" or just flat out random shit like "what if Goku was female"
@@melon6444 To be fair, them being stronger than Goku and Vegeta makes logical sense
@@khiaalexander3062 kk,
“ the man you killed was your last chance ” gohan was walking to kill him anyway 😂
I wish this was the actual future timeline
Good lord this was an ill story. Good job.
When u realize that all of us have been watching an alternate timeline.
Solution that doesn't require Trunks to go back to the past: wish for a cure for Goku's heart virus with the Dragon Balls
Good people who had been able to keep their bodies in the Afterlife can have special permission to return to the world of the living for a single day like what had happened with Son Goku in the Majin Buu Saga.
I thought it was vegeta who got revived because he sacrificed himself to kill fat buu
King Yemma had kept Vegeta's body around just in case things had gotten really bad on Planet Earth.
@@adamwade6243 Ohhh I see now, a lot of things are starting to make sense to me now. Thanks.
@@adamwade6243 worng fireza kep has body when hd died super profeed that so if firexa cna jkeep has bdoy vegeta wood kep ahs with out king ymea nee to do so super chgin ruels so what piclco sia in buu sag was bull shit lie
This was really good!
Wow a happy ending thats kinda rare with these what ifs lol
0:36 But Goku went to king kai when he died to imperfect cell...so dieing from the heart virus would get him there anyway
There's something I have never understood about the Future Trunks timeline and the timeline we know: why did Babidi appear 7 years after the Androids arrival whereas in Trunks ' s timeline he appears much later?
Shouldn't Babidi have appeared whilst the Androids were destroying the Future timeline?
Not enough energy on Earth to revive Buu I guess. Babidi only showed up in the main timeline when he did because he was working more openly to revive Buu and that let Supreme Kai find him. It probably took Supreme Kai a lot longer to find him plus needing to spend more time gathering energy to revive Buu with most of Earth's population and nearly all their notable fighters gone.
I like to think that Babidi came to earth at the correct time, saw that earth was ruined, took buu's egg to space and tried to gather enough power to revive him, Shin was hunting him so Badidi was forced to come back to earth in order to avoid Shin and that's when Shin found Trunks, trained him etc.
Love this! This is really the most logical way to go. Although I’m a bit confused on your logic with Vegeta. Presumably no one else who died outside of the z fighters would’ve kept their body, right? Then how are they able to be wished back? Also it would be interesting to see your thoughts on the Frieza event still happening but just later in the timeline. Does Elder Kai still get released? Maybe he gives goku his life? So much potential for more story! Would love to see a part 2
Alright guys I’m hyped I hit that like
The only question I have, WHY IN THE HELL HAS SOMEONE NOT MADE THIS YET. Fantastic video man
I think u and the rest of the you tubers should make or help Akira toriyama with dragon ball show/manga cause y'all are DAMN good.
Yeah there writing skills are over 9000
@@craigpeoples9883 ur sad lol
@@allmightymellow753Why am I sad
That’s so sad, gohan was in hell on earth for 17 years and really had no one to talk to or even share his burden. Probably thinking he was failure for not being able to defeat the Androids. Seeing all his friends die, just fighting and hiding every single time, probably thinking he’s a coward. Fuck man, I know some people don’t like present gohan but his life is so much better than future gohans.
It would be sick to see Goku getting every edge he can to be over powered like things where he gets to Namek fast enough to get his potential unlocked. I see this all the time but not to point out ppl but some what ifs are lacking compared to the ones you produce
You really need an animator to animate the fights you talk about, cause that would be sick.
What ifs like these and you'll grow
It's nice having a what if end this happy. I like it.
great job on this video dude amazing work on it and where's the reboot of your what if Gohan never stopped training where is it?
This is so good 😊
Wouldn't Piccolo have told Goku that Gohan didn't like fighting like how Goku liked fighting (like how he did in the Cell Games)? Would Goku help earlier after hearing that, or would nothing change?
The quality for this picture in this video is amazing 😮
Here before the video starts in one second
Aye man you should be a writer for them or something cause this is perfect lol. This would make so much sense!
Can you make a video on what if Vegeta or Gohan arrived when Zamasu stole, Goku's body, and killed Chi-Chi and Goten.
Goku: “ Sorry No time for small talk!”
Gohan: “ WYM I’m your son????!!!”
They should've made the wish in the room of spirit in time they would've had two more wishes while training
This is a great video though. I like your work!
Goku: yeah Shenron bring back Piccolo.
*Kami revives*
Kami: who TF is this?
Bro I think your the best dragon what if TH-camr 😭 it feel so 😢 1:15
I just love how people still don't understand the Power of the SSJ forms, but Carthu does
After getting Grade 4, the Initial Power Boost is still x50, but like Grade 4 allows, they can then Power up to the Very Max of SSJ, double that with x2 by using SS2, then x4 that Power with SS3 initially, but then go Max Power with SS3 too, as the Full Power of SS3 is much stronger than the Initial Boost of x4
Inbetween there is also Trunks's Stronger SS2 state that gets the SS2 Power close to SS3 Levels, then if the needed Rage is there, they could evolve their SS2, like Vegeta, to become much more Powerful than SS3, even if your Base is weaker than the Base of the SS3 user, hence why Vegeta in his Evolved SS2 was stronger than Goku Black in SSJ in the Manga
And after having the Powered up version, getting the Evolved state, that Vegeta kept in the Manga, how about now going SS3 and then the Max Power of SS3
Don’t pop a blood level buddy overthinking it.
SSJ1 = Base Power X 50-60 multiplier
SSJ 2nd grd = Base Power X 60 -70 multiplier
SSJ 3rd grd = Base Power X 70-80 multiplier
SSJ2 Base Power X 100+ multiplier
SSJ3 : Base Power X 400+ multiplier
SSJ are just multipliers. They can increase their power by just training base and multiplying it with transformations.
I love how greatly sone your thumbnails are
Done*
Alternate title: If Goku was just a little bit smarter
If goku thought more about the other's than himself
If dragonball had good writing
Easy for people to say in retropect.
it still shocks me as i rewatch it to this day, how quick the TV special is but how much it adds to the universe, I really need a what if future gohan episode mode in sparking zero
He probably didn’t get to keep his body this time because he died of natural causes. I hear people say if the androids were a universal threat, (which they weren’t buu definitely was) yemma could have intervened and allowed it just like in the buu saga with vegeta.
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@@ssjgotenks2009 i lost all of my fucking braincells reading this.
wow im so happy now welcome back
I saw this premiere but I was busy so couldn’t watch :(
Future Gohan: *"This is surprising well thought out for you"*
All things that Goku did in the main timeline so not actually surprising lol
"Did he just realise he can do that?"
"Your father's an idiot."
(Scene from DBZA when Goku saves Piccolo and Tien from Cell)
To be fair, the story had to turn literally every friend and supernatural overseer of the Earth friend of the Z Fighters for it to happen.
Future Gohan:I'm gonna make him suffer
Android 17:don't mess me and don't put my hands on me
Future Gohan (ssj2):"Kills android 17"
This is how it should have been Goku is not stupid and loves the Earth but I think vegeta would be able to come back
Trunks is basically spiderman when he gets something good it better be good this is an example
A what if where, just before Goku dies, Vegeta Kills him. Revive Goku and bam GG
That wouldn't work lol. The moment Goku is revived, he would immediately die again due to the heart virus. If I'm not wrong, revival will bring back your body as it was right before death, like how Frieza was brought back in pieces in Resurrection of F.
So Shenron would bring Goku back to life, with the heart virus still inside of him.
@@Genra That could actually make sense. But they would probably word it like. “ I wish Goku was revived healthy!” Or something. Don’t think that would work, but hey I guess we will never know
LMAO loop hole found
@@JackKennedy4747or Bulma could make medicine for the heart virus while goku is dead so when he comes back she can immediately give it to him and then bam issue solved right
I really like your videos you some good content please telle one thing does videl exists in future trunks timeline