DCS World - FROM UNOFFICAL MOD TO A PAID MODULE - Why Many Won't Make it...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ม.ค. 2023
- Blue Screen/Green Screen...it's all the same 😉 We've all asked, hey, why can't this community module make it into the game? This video should answer some of those questions, and there's nothing wrong with these quality free modules staying free. However, if you want to go pro, it takes an effort.
As you guys know, I'm a "Jack Of All Trades" and a Master Sergeant of None. I'm no expert...so please feel free to contribute to the discussion with clarification, corrections, or additional information to help stimulate the discussion on how Unofficial Modules might become real in-game DCS World Content. Thanks ~ Juice
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It's a real shame the H-60 project isn't going to be a paid module. The project is fantastic and would love to see it be more widely used.
Same same same
It is though.
Would love a Pavehawk!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP And the included mission capabilities it brings. Would love to have some downed pilots and civilian SAR missions in a dynamic campaign setting.
@@miguelvieira4445 How do you figure? The H-60 Dev said its not happening. There's no other dev teams out there publicly working on one.
Some of the mods are amazing, I love the T-45, and there are assets I wish were part of the core game because they would make mission building so much easier. BUT: my biggest beef with unofficial mods is that they're never fully tested and checked what impact they have on the core game or other modules. Official modules are put in the testing branch, first internally then open beta and it's made 100% sure they don't cause any glitch with anything else. This can't be said about unofficial mods. They very often affect other modules, cause bugs, and those take the blame instead of the mod. I've seen soldiers disappearing from WW2 missions because of an unofficial jet having been installed. I've heard of people losing the gun sound in their P-51 due to some unofficial assets, and I've seen plenty of mission / campaign issues that were seemingly unexplainable, but as soon as xyz mod was uninstalled, the problems were gone. I really hate how much time I (and other campaign makers) spend 'troubleshooting' and 'community management' just because someone installed a bunch of untested code. Maybe ED should consider making 'half-official mods' - so the best community mods like the T-45 would be tested internally and also open beta, so they would get a 'safe to use' label. Dunno...
My favorite free mod's are the one's from CodeName Flanker mod. And the JAS39 Gripen is also a great mod. I would pay full price for both of them.
Blue Screen/Green Screen...it's all the same 😉 We've all asked, hey, why can't this community module make it into the game? This video should answer some of those questions, and there's nothing wrong with these quality free modules staying free. However, if you want to go pro, it takes an effort. ~Juice
Interesting section on the South Atlantic map there; I'm guessing the runway markings you suggested are meant to be representative of an earlier point in time, perhaps 1982? The original markings look very close to what's visible on google maps. Thanks for the great video, looking forward to seeing what you put out in 2023!
Excellent video. Thank you for the info! I'm a HUGE fan of Prairie Fire! Love that mod for Arma. You guys did a phenomenal job!
My part was very small and at the beginning, setting up the database for everything aviation related, and then I consulted afterwards on aerodynamics and aircraft instruments for the team. The artist in encoders of the real heroes with that, and it turned out better than I even thought it was going to. Thanks for replying, and it is probably the best DLC in Arma.
Super cool you helped test and developed a great DLC on one of my favorite games Arma 3 and are active in DCS community. I spent 9 years as a F-16 crew chief. I am still learning to master all the weapons and sick actuator skills that come along with the Viper in DCS. Currently working on the EA-18G in the civilian sector and would love to see that aircraft implemented into DCS in the future.
Which one, JETS or S.O.G. Prairie Fire? My roles were modest tasks that helped the team to build a successful game DLC. Are you visiting us over at Viper Crew? Come hang with us! ~Juice
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP all of them! I bought them all! Haha and I haven’t visited viper crew yet. Still intimidated by joining a group but I probably should. I’m sure I could learn a lot from y’all!
It's a good group, the pilots, maintainers, and direct support guys like us get a special tag and it's great for sharing and bring up memories. discord.gg/dr9mtXmwJR
Happy new year Juice! Had my coffee with this video! Really enjoyed it 😊
Good vid. Many people don't realize just how much work it takes to bring a mod to full-blown module status, and just how big a minefield getting the information needed to accurately make something in DCS.
My hat’s off to those in the business!
Was a SSgt working on AWACS as maintenance crew chief. Just found your channel, very cool!
Welcome aboard! Super Cool my AF Bro. I retired as a MSgt in 2002...cheers, Juice
All hail the mighty T45! Thanks for the shoutout 🍻 Glad to see the = Viper Crew = gaining traction.
Thanks, Juice. Incidentally, I found your slides on the runway markings interesting and useful - I’ve known all the markings mean something but I’ve never gone down that particular track. I don’t play multi because my eyesight has some serious problems and, apart from being a liability to any team, I need markers to have the most basic SA. Maybe I’ll get involved once I’ve had the surgery? Why would someone with vision issues get involved with flight simming - Simple, because I can, and obviously can’t do so IRL despite being one of those people who dreamt of flying as a child. That’s the magic of the virtual world!
Anyway, thanks for your help via the videos. Apart from DCS, I love the Prairie Fire DLC for Arma. Back when I was a young man (and could see a lot better!) my commanders in the Australian Army were mostly Vietnam veterans and our weapons and equipment were all Vietnam War vintage (this was 1983) so it’s amazing to go back to that stuff, even though we mostly used the SLR rather than M16. We did have them, though, as well as M60s and most of our training exercises involved insertions via Huey so it’s a real blast to revisit that stuff. My country was at peace during my time so luckily I didn’t have to try to kill anyone, so my spectacles are naturally gonna be rose tinted. :D.
Thanks for sharing. Us old guys have you covered!
Oh snap, didn't know you worked on Prairie Fire! I've lost many friends in the fields of Nam thanks to that DLC. BEST MONEY I'VE EVER SPENT FOR ARMA 3 content
The Artists and Encoders are the real heroes on Prairie Fire. Eggbeast and I worked together on Jets DLC together and he gave me the opportunity to work on SOG which I my opinion is the best one in Arma
Hey SrA here, I used to work on engines of the HH-60 Pavehawk and HC-130J
Great work juice!
Thank you! Cheers!
Well presented, well explained. Thanks for your time putting this together.
Thanks for your kind words.
I am tremendously happy for Anubis. Making a mod and being recruited to help ASC make it a full module must be nice. I am predicting that ED will announce an H-60 for DCS in 2023 and Beyond. I'd heard that the H-60 team wanted to make it full fidelity and ED told them it's not available.
Tomorrow’s the day we will find out for sure. Lots of opportunities still. Thanks for your valuable input!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP We'll see. For now, I'm just excited for whatever's coming our way this year and next year.
Great video, great information, and thank you for your service, MSGT.
Thanks but no thank you’s necessary for me. I’m the one who is thankful for the opportunity to serve. My memoir should be titled, Jack of All Trades ~ Master Sergeant of None right?
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Agreed
Thanks, that game dev ARMA stuff is also pretty interesting!
I was trying to show how it worked with another gaming software company and independent developers to make content. It was fun to work on an I love sharing. :)
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Keep it up,much appreciated :)
GREAT CHANNEL REALLY !
Thanks, we’re just average Joes!
I really like light attack aircraft. and the BAE hawk 200 is really cool to me. its just such a small jet but it carries so much weight.
Tucano and Wolverine come to mind for me...
While it's a bit frustrating as a customer to see all this cool stuff we want to see included as official modules, I think ED's methods do help keep the quality bar set very high. Despite warts, painfully slow development, DCSisms, etc., you can plop down cash on any module and know that there is a "guaranteed" level of quality. None of the disappointments that come with the MSFS marketplace exist in DCS.
Well put...thanks.
now if only that quality would transfer over to the tutorial missions :p
Cough cough... Yak 52
The Goshawk needs Turco burns =o). Not that I have ever burned an aircraft =o)
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Curious about your views re the remarkable Community A-4EC Skyhawk Mod, which even ED uses in their videos of late.
I’m thinking that this module is probably the best free module and the most popular. I think ED using it is a way to honor the developers and shows their fondness of the aircraft. But I don’t know if I could speak for them. I don’t have it, but it definitely is attractive and I may try it sometime, but I just don’t have time right now. ~Juice.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Thank you - I can only recommend it to you highly as a pilot of it. I do have full modules too, of course, and the Skyhawk is of equivalent quality, and it is hugely rewarding.
Community A4 also gives me the best in cockpit FPS of all the modules and mods I have.
I talked about releasing a payed campaign with professional designers.
With campaigns it is simple: Expensive country = financial Desaster (if you have no other well paid job)
The community is just to small for good money and in my case the taxes would kill me.
My solution: Keep it for free.
what is the reason for the changes in runway 07 in rio gallegos? look so different compared to the real one
That might have been after my tenure working on this project, but I do know that the developers took realistic airports and adapted them for DCS World combat operations. A good example is Port Stanley IRL vs in game. It's just a game I guess...good question though. Shoot Specter of RAZBAM a message about it.
I guess BF3/4 had a great animated carrier cutscene...
Is that the one that kind of looks like a little bit of a Arcadis style game battlefield in that carrier takeoff play model was totally different than what the CSS I think but I never flew it. ~Juice.
The cost of the licencing is what kills most projects (Games Dev myself), ED's cut percentage is not insignificant (not being negative on ED just saying)
Thanks for your insight. :)
I call us mod makers 4th party .
I am interested in hiring individuals to do all the parts of a mod idea I'd like to see created (i.e. 3D model, scripting, and other programming for compatibility with DCS, etc.). Are there resources that I can use to find them?
Yes, talk to Kink in the UH-60L Discord or Particleman in the VNAO Discord. Also check the DCS Forums.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Thanks. I will check them out.
The only mods that are worth it were the A-4, the C-130 and the MB-339. The A-4 developers want to keep their mod free and open source, so...
"Many won't make it" because creating a realistic flight model is not the same as painting a snazzy texture. Then there's the systems modeling, which is a monumental task on its own...
Good points!
"C++ and LUA coding is yada yada yada"
Me - "I got 6 months Visual Basic and running Windows Vista for the last 20 years. Does that count?"
I hate coding! Had to do Basic in college for a class and that’s all it took for me to realize “I’m a lover, not a fighter!”
Licenses, public information, and money to fully develop. That's what stops most mods from becoming modules.
I love the A4 and the T45C, but personally the one I like to fly the most is the OV-10A by SPLIT-AIR. The Bronco is just an awesome aircraft in it’s own right, and it gives us another prop acft to use. Vietnam to present day (in the form of the OV-10D+ & G+, firefighting variants notwithstanding), the slower cousin of the A-10.
Of the mods/ideas I know of being worked on, I’d love to see the still unreleased F-111 and an OV-10D either picked up by a big dev (*cough cough* Heatblur, F-111 *cough cough*) or a new real company formed for them.
Thank you for your continued work for this community Juice.
I just wish the Bronco flew like it should.. its FM leaves a lot to be desired. The Skyhawk though... Mmm.. Best mod I've ever used in DCS
Hopefully the aircraft’s you touched wasn’t under aged
The KC-135 definitely wasn’t. :)
I think it’s already been stated in the comments, but the dev behind the UH-60 mod wanted to go 3rd party but it was already spoken for per ED. He offered his assistance to the 3rd party developing the module if needed since the ground work was laid in his free mod. That’s the last I heard. Not sure who is doing it, but definitely spoken for already
Good news is that he got picked up by Polychop and is working on the Kiowa.
THE AIR WARFARE GROUP because of greed!
DCS IMHO should be full price 70$ game
and all mods and modules need to be free.
Interesting...They could do that for a the quality of flight model like in Heroes & Generals I'm sure. ~Juice
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mod makers and module makers who want finance aid for there own great creations should open patreon or use other fan support platform for players who want to support them, if DCS developers need it so much they should give that maker or a group of makers a full time job to work on the module, all i say is the general playerbase of DCS
should not have to pay for it, you can like it or not but this is my opinion cheers!
I tell ya what, from what I've heard about the A-4 Mod, it could make money. Did you see the A-4s flying in the video? Hummm?
Why did you spend the first 8 minutes going over your CV with us?
Credibility for why I am able to speak on this, and from our video history, several questions came up that I said would be cleared up when I cover my background. I'm a "Boomer" expect long discussions...and there's always Tik Tok :p
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP sounds good. I guess I just stepped into the conversation at the wrong time.
All good, I d get long winded sometimes and I’m only talking about myself because “me” is the only subject that I know well enough to speak about ;) but I’m mostly wanting people to trust my opinions up front so that they can absorb what I’m trying to stimulate them to think and comment about what they think. I’m working on a video about two different software development business models for the channel but I’m still working on how to present it without sounding “pokey” to anyone. ~Juice
because its russian is also a reason why ...
Started in Moscow, but is now a Swiss Company with it's CEO in the UK I believe. Rumor Mill...J
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