Sig Sauer M17: Choice of the U.S. Military
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- Sig Sauer P320 M17 was selected as the new Sidearm for the U.S. Military. Includes slide cuts for the Leupold Delta Point Pro and a lot of other features.
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Enjoyed the review SOOTCH. Fall colors come to SC!
Thanks Mark! The cool weather is welcome :)
finally the SC October-November mosquitos are mostly gone. My god it was awful.
I was in a Marine infantry unit and I was never issued a pistol. I was also in Afghanistan during the time period that the military sustained the highest amount of casualties and I don't recall anyone from my unit or units I talked to with a confirmed kill with a pistol. Chill out guys, the military could have adopted a single action revolver and it probably would make little difference in the grand scheme of things lol.
Interesting. I'd bet most people don't know what you described.
You sir are the only person that makes sense around here!
Yes being issued a pistol is rare and using it is even rarer. A vast majority of the military are not issued a pistol at all.
To be fair, if you are down to pistol, you are fucked anyways
As a retired Army Intel guy, I'm glad to see they switched up. For us, the pistol was our carry weapon as on many occasions we were in civilian clothes, so having a new option is great to see. I personally, didn't obtain a Beretta until after I retired and hopefully you understand "obtain" means I traded another least favorite firearm to get one. However, this new M17 variant, which I've already held is on my short list of firearms to purchase.
Very in depth, well put together video. Answered just about every question I had about the M-17
As a fellow M9/92 lover I think you'd really like it Paul. The accuracy and shooting characteristics are amazing for a pistol that swaps around so easily and needs no fitting. Very similar recoil impulse to the 92.
This series and the new 365XL are design and engineering homeruns.
My buddy is a texas state trooper and their department's issued sidearm is this p320 with the texas dps insignia printed on it. This is by far one of the most badass feeling guns that i have ever shot.
I don't think you're supposed to be firing a state troopers service gun.
FacePlant You are but not alone. The owners gotta be present
If you get a chance, try shooting the X variants. The X Carry, X Five Legion, X Full, X Compact, and so forth are so much better than the regular 320.
I like that chassis removal in one piece. Make cleaning a snap.
The whole modular configuration of the fire control really makes polymer framed handguns much better in my estimation. I hope all manufacturers do this at some point.
The P329 was my first handgun. I love it, I had no trouble shooting the center out of a target right out of the box.
Nice!! We truly are living in good times for firearms! I really like how modular Sig has made them. Awesome review as always my friend!
Wow! Glock and Sig guys going at it again! Glad I bought a CZ!
C Kim why not buy all three? Get the best of everything.
@@mrhellotherehowareu1384 Actually I own all three and a few more like Beretta and Walther. I like your way of thinking! :)
@Jumping Jehosafat Yes, I own a Shadow 2 and a CZ 2075 Rami. The Shadow 2 is such a wonderful shooting pistol. It really isn't a carry pistol but one of the finest shooting pistols I've ever fired. I like it so much I almost and still may buy a 2nd one. It's worth the price for sure. I like it so much I bought the .22 conversion kit also and it shoots just as well, and for me was worth the extra $400. CZ in general are really great shooter's if you buy the full rail models and worth every penny.
I own 4 Sigs a P 938, P 365, P 320 SC and a 5" 1911 Nightmare fastback in .45 A.C.P. If I had to choose just one, I pick the CZ Shadow 2. Good luck, just pick one up and check it out if you can. The trigger is fantastic and because the weight of the pistol the recoil is surprisingly mild and fast back on target.
@Jumping Jehosafat The Urban Grey is the one I'm still considering, I have the Shadow 2 Blue. Your gonna really love it! The P 229 is a great choice, my brother in law just got the P 229 Legion.
@Jumping Jehosafat Hard not to want all the CZ's they are really sweet and fit like a glove.
I always enjoy your videos. Just a normal guy, a patriot and gun lover, giving an honest and complete evaluation. No gimmicks, no fluff or silliness. Thanks so much and keep em coming.
Excellent presentation/posting as always...thank you! Happy TG Sir to you and your family!
Serious research and time spent on this amazing review. Thanks Sootch00. You rock!
One of my favorite things about Sig which rarely gets mention is the ease of loading a full magazine. They seat effortlessly.
Just got mine, love it. Enough said!
Exceptionally good instructional part on assembling and attaching the sight. Good job.
Thank you! Especially interesting disassembly and work of mechanic parts! This really looks and feels like modern gun!
Looks like a high quality gun, and badass with the optic. The modular frame design is a great idea too
Excellent 5 Star review. Thank you very much!
Love your videos! Definitely helping me to figure out my next striker fired pistol for a back up.
thanks Sootch!! this is my new duty weapon and I have been looking everywhere for a video of how to put on the DPP! your the only one ive found!
Sig is the best for military, police, and civil. I have the tacop and is extremely beautiful.
Lol. Okay buddy
The tears from all the Glock boys, because the army doesn't use their gun. Hahahaha
Very nice review. Thanks for the excellent analysis of the unique feature for our new military service pistol.
I got a chance to hold it in my hand at the gun store. It felt nice in the hand, and the trigger is fairly short. I was very impressed with it! Definitely come back to pick it up!
I think I like the Sig over the Glock. I have a 1911 and a 92fs and something in my head tells me I need one of these.
Regardless to how people may feel, the Sig P320 passed all of the Army required test and the won the contract Based on cost and effectiveness...so live with it....and yes I happen to have a sig P320 and I love it...
No. It didn't. The MHS contest basically was cut off before Phase 2 testing was done.
Hence the reason several of the flaws in the M17 weren't found until after delivery.
Bulshit it didn't even pass FBI testing and that's nothing compared to military testing it's biased because The sig is cheap
I had that gun, .45. I was impressed for a .45 cal.
And used to own Barretas, considered very accurate.
But that one, is very acurate as well.
I personally think this is one awesome handgun. This and the Beretta M9a3 will be the first two purchases I make as a gift to myself after graduating boot camp.
The M17 kind of looks like a 1911 would love to get my hands on that
Thought I was the only one to think that.
WHAT about the close 3rd place? Hi-Point!!! Our soldiers need the Best damnit!!!
Lol
You should check demo ranch’s hi point test
To be honest they are so damn strong it wouldn't be that bad of a choice XD
@@bloodhownd6170 yep
That was a really good video on the m17. Keep up the good work.
Another Great review, Thank you for the upload.
I bought the sig m17 I love it
I've personally noticed and been told on several occasions that the trigger on my p320 is better than most. Don't know what it is exactly but there is absolutely no "sponginess" to the trigger pull. Short distance to the wall, clean and crisp break and a ridiculously short reset. The only thing I've done to it is install a flat faced trigger but other than that, it's stock. I did not opt for the recall regarding the drop test. Not judging anyone who did just not overly concerned with the issue. I'd like to know if you or anyone else has noticed differences in the triggers of the p320's?
@specialpieceofkit appreciate the info and glad to hear it's working even better for you. Love my 320!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Love the vids. 😎👍🏽
I just got this gun last week. I've been looking for it for months. So glad I got it. It's an AWESOME pistol!
THE PERFECT MACHINE!!! SIG SAUER is the best pistol company period!!!!
By the time engineer units see this they will just finally be getting m4’s and the army will be looking at a new pistol.😜😂
Love my M18. I have been thinking of getting the M17 X change conversion kit. Best of both worlds.
glock has a rail under the gun, if you add a light sometimes it'll warp the frame and it fucks the gun up, probably causes it to jam. I've see it warp the damn frame, I've had like 3 glock 19's, probably 4
Not a Fanboy, I love ALL Guns!
Even a HI point?
$465 On Guns Midwest right now with $50 rebate and two additional 21 Rd mags. Killer deal.
You mentioned in your video that the military was going to use an optical site, made by Leupold, on this handgun, that reminds me of a video that I watched recently where Chuck Taylor was telling the man who was interviewing him that he recently had a class of U.S. Marine Corps, Special Forces teams (probably recon) and that he was having to teach them how to use the iron sites on their rifles. They had no idea how to use iron sights on their M-16s. I find that both amazing and frightening at the same time.
I just picked up one and I love it
I own the M17 & I like the pistol. I recently bought a 19x. After comparing the pistols side by side & shooting hundreds of rounds through each, I actually prefer the 19x. It’s very easy to see why these two pistols were the finalists in the HMS Program. I agree with others that the price was why Sig ultimately won. Both are great pistols!
Carry On! 😎
Georgia Bow Hunter what do you prefer about he 19x over the m17? Just curious. I like both
HURT 1: The 19x is slimmer, lower bore axis & the G19 slide on the G17 frame is super manageable with lower recoil. I’ve always shot a Sig better than a Glock until the 19x. Maybe the marksman barrel has helped or it’s just the ergonomics of the 19x... I’m really not sure? Just love the way the 19x shoots & feels in my hand.
Like I said before both pistols are great but the 19x is a shooter!
Georgia Bow Hunter sounds like I'll just have to buy both. I have been eyeballing an M17 commemorative edition, though the price tag of almost a grand has held me back due to the price I can pick up a 19x blue label for. Thanks for the response
HURT 1: I didn’t get the Army commemorative edition. I purchased the model sootch00 did in this review. I bought mine for $605 out the door. The commemorative editions are way over priced IMO. I bought three 21rd magazines in coyote tan to give mine the look of the Army version. Great pistol
762x35mm: I totally agree with you... I can’t imagine how recruiters do it these days. The takedown & price was a big advantage for Sig. Both are great pistols & time will tell if they made the right choice.
Wait, they fixed the drop problem? I just might look into buying one now
I would never trust a company thats testing is so shitty they don't notice a massive drop problem. Buncha scumbags
Or you limp wristed females could just stop dropping your damn guns. Leave firearm ownership to us men, ok ladies?
Yes, I have a P320 FS and that longer barreled model, like this, IS a sweetie to shoot. Set mine up like Sootch00 did, sans red dot but with light and 21 round mag, and that is the bedroom gun. It was a tough choice for the military and an argument could be made for any of the contenders.
Excellent review of the M17 👍
Honestly , Between the SigM17 vs. Colt 1911 45 series 80. Best choice?
The 1911 is antiquated. There isn't any military that should be using a 100+ year old gun with a single stack mag.
Andrew Delashaw There shouldnt be a military using a sidearm with such substantial failures as the M17...yet here we are.
nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-sig-sauer-p320-9mm-gun-safe-operate-states-army-24326
No definitive answer in any of this as to the flaws being ironed out. Once again, Uncle Sam goes for "cheap" over "inexpensive".
Obviously less capacity but if you had to choose get the colt 1911 as it will retain value throughout your life. Unless you get a limited edition M17 or get your hands on a surplus, the value won’t be retained and on top of that you don’t have much choice in the after market for internal parts except maybe springs, triggers and the chassis that you can swap out.
1911 Colt Commander, serving Americans and killing its foes for 107 years.
How did that 1911 work out for MARSOC again?
If you drop the P320 or any other gun, you should maybe hold onto it better.
big help and info, thanks
LOVE the vid and the info. Thank you
just give me my browning hi power in 40
For logistics and economic reasons the military was looking for a fully modular sidearm, so Sig Saur M17 being a more modular handgun, won the military contract. In reality though both Sig M17 and Glock 19X are neck and neck in terms of their capabilities, overall reliability’s etc. And of course, neither one of them is really suited for civilian type applications (competition, range, personal defense etc.), and not the least of which concealed carry. There are even far better handgun choices out there for the home defense/bed side type application. The silver lining in all this is the fact that some of the technological, material, and design advances that went into the developments of both Sig M17 and Glock 19X are bound to spill over into the civilian targeted markets, as well.
I have the full size 45 the accuracy on it is amazing should do a review on that one as well
It's a nice pistol
Glad they sorted the drop issues and related problems.
The loaded chamber indicator on the top is a bonus.
Nice to have the choice to pull your sidearm if you run out of ammo or other situations.
Can't see many military personnel using a red dot, but it's nice to have the option.
At the time the features and modularity definately tipped it sigs way.
With at least a twenty year plus service life it will only get better.
The M9 is not exactly the same as it was back at the start of the competition for a colt 45 replacement.
Ever read any Heinlen ??????
Read the lawsuit Glock filed after the decision. How there was no way Sig could produce a handgun with those requirements at that price. Which was correct. Anyone else notice how Sig almost doubled their civilian prices over night? 🤔🤔
hmmmm..... at least the Army isn't using the Hi-Point as their standard issue hahaha
lmao! funny
TRUE but the hipoint prob is more reliable
yep,and cheaper to boot!
With all the failures sig has, I think they’d be better off with a hi point
@@stmichale6192 sig definitely needs to fix their quality control... or else its gonna hurt the brand.. lets not forget that the Beretta M9 also had some problems when it was first issued.. but still doesn't justify the fact that our soldiers need the best of the best tools in their line of work.
Nice review. keep up the good work
VERY informative, thank you.
I believe my SF friends will still prefer their Glock 19’s or 1911’s.
So Ive been wondering... of all the pistols submitted to the MH17 trials, which one has sold the most units on the civilian market?
The Sig m17 sold the most. Glock chose not to sell their MHS pistol to the public- the 19x isn't the same pistol they tried to sell to the Army- it has no thumb safety, no internal A/C coatings, different sights, etc.
@@freedom8672 If you want to dig into the semantics, the M-17 isn't the same pistol either.
@@usernamunavailiable The m17 Commemorative is the EXACT same pistol sold to the Army. Only the less expensive p320-m17 has a few differences.
@@freedom8672 It is now, but the original MHS competition pistol was slightly different since it did not have the trigger mod. Also soon the military pistols will have the black controls...
@@usernamunavailiable Only a relatively few VERY EARLY PROTOTYPES didn't have the upgraded trigger- the vast majority of the test pistols, and ALL of the production pistols shipped to the Army had the trigger upgrade, so again I've proven you wrong. Sig and the DoD formally agreed to switch to black controls, but that's irrelevant to the OP's question, because it's factually true that the Sig m17 Commemorative sold more on the civilian market. Period.
The Glock 19x isn't close to being their MHS submission- no manual safety, no internal coatings.
Great review as usual, but you earned my thumbs up the instant you pronounced ambidextrous correctly!
Alot of information. Very nice explanation. Just subscribed.
The Glock lost pure and simple, why two reasons Glock failed to add a safety that the government required and Glock was $100 million more than Sig. Bet next time Glock does what the military wants in 30+ years.
the safety is your holster and brain they shouldn't have a safety idk why that would be a requirement and sig underbid the deal for 100 million less they had the same deal and then sig said will do it for 100 million less if you pick us that's how sig got the deal cuz out government all about money
@@stanleyhowe4320 the sig is the better pistol though regardless.
Sigs go off for no reason 2 but they better... Not
The Glock submitted to the Army had a manual safety
It did have a safety and the trials were not completed. Do the research
Looks like the Glock Fanboy Butthurt Convention is being held in this comment section.
yeah, its getting old real quick. every m17 video goes as follows....."sig is trash" "drop failures" "bore axis" "glock should have won". im confused, when the p320 first came out everyone seemed to like it and now that it won it seems like the popular thing to do now is call it a bad gun and praise glock for using the same gun design for over 35yrs.
Bore axis bore axis bore axis wah wah wah wah wah!
*M Savage*
Come join us. Cheap magazines and limitless customization can be yours.
Never fails, these guys crack me up...
M Savage looks like the “Dickhead Glockhater Convention” is being held in the comments section, as well. 🇺🇸🗽🦅🇦🇹
The Sig has that clunky, beautiful metal crunch sound like you hear in movies and games. Sweet!
The M2.0 FDE 5" was the Smith offering and I love mine.
Follow the money.
How did the UK military get the Glock 17 and we get the unproven P320?
@@sqwk2559 Just watch this. th-cam.com/video/v0LUbLu6TqA/w-d-xo.html
Jason Byrne actually it didn’t. That’s why glock sued.
Because England wanted the best
Seriously. Your rebuttal was a fat dude in a red shirt with an opinion that is was all about price. Hahahahahaha! Glock lost because they DID NOT meet the modularity requirement. Done.
politicos!! ...contarcts.... etc
Great review. Thanks for that.
got mine on Veterans Day weekend.. hopefully will get to the range this weekend
Saving a buck was more important than selecting a quality sidearm.
Fortunately it's a sidearm though, and will rarely be used.
It's rarely used which is why it was a waste of tax payer money to spend all this time replacing something that would work just fine.
agreed. they really cheaped out on this one
Smaller than 45 is just a toy for the military.
Another awesome review Sootch00 an have a Happy Thanksgiving Sir. Also as always long live the republic my Friend.
Great review and I hope you have a happy thanksgiving.
Sig P320 or M17 = great guns ... thanks for the review
@Fred J3 Hey Fred, not making any insinuations here, but I figure if a person can't hold on to their gun then they shouldn't have 'em.
Fred J3 Fred’s got those extra buttery millennial hands...I’ve been around firearms, been in the military, and shoot weekly and have yet to drop any gun. Also they actually fixed that issue keep up with the times butterfingers
US Army has been having major issues with this gun that caused a recall. Cracking frames, malfunctions, failure to ejects , ejecting live rounds, drop safety failure and catastrophic failures. There are still issues with the drop safeties after the recall , there are police departments that have officers injured because the gun has gone off in the holster. Also the coating doesnt hold up.
Sounds like they should've went with the Glock. Better track record over all.
T Ellison That’s a funny one!
@@rantsanchez glock didn't pass the trails
Eric Williams I bet they wish they would have chosen Glock or Beretta.
theone 2345 not true. Not sure where you heard that. They went with Sig bc of price.
Great stuff brother!
Great review, thank you very much !!👍
My question is why the hell would the army go with a manufacturer’s first ever striker fired pistol model? Why not go with a proven pistol like the Glock or M&P? I work for the Department of the Army and believe that Program Manager Soldier Weapons made a big mistake.
krazyrican2009 mp failed phase 1 testing? Why go with it..glock was 100m plus more. Both Glock an sig pasted phase 1 an 2 testing.
John Heater lowest bidder almost always guarantees, lower reliability. You get what you pay for. They should have never gone with a first generation striker fired pistol.
krazyrican2009 I don’t know where you get that info from. Air Force just finished there operational testing of the m18 and the guns where run until failure. That was at 76k rounds. M9 was cheaper then the P226. Both guns pasted. Both guns where good guns. Nothing has changed.
John Heater As of right now there have been a bunch of problems with the M17 and M18 and the Army has even stopped fielding them until further notice.
krazyrican2009 Don’t know who feeding you that crap but not true. M17 problems with 115 gr fmj was Ammo Issue not the gun. Not locking back on last round was training issue to change grip. No other issues. The two fcu issues out of 75,000 guns was broken springs. Where is your info coming from a Glock employee.
The military didn't choose the best pistol they chose the cheapest.
Yeah, here is the option they should have gone with. Better yet, the grand jam-a-matic G22 with a light on the front...
th-cam.com/video/7Fr5ccyriJI/w-d-xo.html
Just like the m9. Sig226 and b92 passed they chose the b92 because it was cheaper....same....glock an sig passed phase 1 and 2 testing...sig was cheaper so they got it...that simple...
Glock 19X has a street price of just under 600 bucks around here, and the Sig M17 is just shy of 650. Is there a source of info stating the government pricing is the opposite?
mrpotatoheadracing that street price. The contract was holsters and ammo and guns and sig was about 120 million cheaper then the Glock bid.
@@heaterfamily Thanks!
Great review, thank you!
Great review. I love the Sig vs. Glock argument... just like the Camaro - Mustang argument.
Somebody or bodies got a nice bonus under the table and our soldiers got inferior weapons.
To hell with this plastic toy gun.
Colt 1911 forever!
Coming from a guy with a Glock SN
Glock _ , fanboy!
Ha, haaa. Say one his name is glock...
1911 forever? Then why the gay Glock channel name?
It is beautiful, hopefully one day I can buy one, I love the design and color, in addition to the prestige it has for being a 9mm
. Love it ♥
That face in the last frame, totally priceless xD
I've never fired one, but that thing looks so top heavy when you're firing it. Such a high bore axis.
Not a terrible gun but honestly it was a ridiculous choice considering the problems and the failures in protocol in testing
Been very happy with my P229 but still love my Glocks!!! Awesome Overview!!! Have a Happy Turkey Day!!! Long live the Republic!!!😎
Great review Sootch!
So the M9 Beretta no more official??? sad world ...
Good
I would have chosen the new M&P 9 2.0.
Failed Accuracy test could not keep a 3 inch group at 35 m
Thank you great review
Finally a great gun review. P. S. Loved the bloopers at the end!
The reports say that the Sig has like a 60% failure rate when firing standard military BALL ammo. Great choice!
Buck Johnson where do your numbers come from?
I have reports that Buck Johnson has never owned a gun, loves men and can’t read.
@@douglasbrmn2 you savage! 🤣
www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/02/01/the-army-is-working-to-fix-flaws-in-its-new-handgun-after-critical-dod-report/
Armytime article citing a reliable source. Nothing about a 60% failure rate with ball ammo. Also said they no small arms have ever been approved without issues.
@@Wyttt95 www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/the-war-zone/18047/armys-new-pistols-often-eject-live-rounds-and-dont-work-well-with-regular-bullets%3fsource=dam
Correction. Sig Sauer: Choice of the US Budget Committee. When the bid came out $100 million dollars less than the competitors, we knew what the "Choice of the US Military" would be. That's the way it's always been. That's also why we bought our own stuff because the equipment we were issued was shit.
@SIX
Never a truer word spoken. To the budget committee the "best" is ALWAYS the "cheapest" which is ultimately the CHOICE. Because its the "chosen weapon" doesn't mean its worth a shit, it just means after two or three "system upgrades" it can be made adequate and still be cheap.
Thanks for nothing, I'll carry my own.
thanks for showing how to attach the red dot!
Great review, Sootch!