Whatever are saying about the Bonnie 'half', of the Bonnie and Clyde, of late night political discourse. And remember, this is the genius said that Mao did, on balance, more good than harm.
@Will Richards And her cheap as fuck wig, gets frisbeed toward the diving boards exposing her natural sponge which quickly absorbed the entire contents of the splash pool.
I cannot understand how Diane Abbot has got as far as she has in politics. For twenty odd years she has been lacking nuance and verging on hysteria. Her justification for drone attacks because they are an act of war was puerile.
I'll tell you why Abbott has lasted so long in politics you could put a donkey up in some labour seats and they would get elected.lot of donkeys about.
They are talking about how horrible it must have been for Khaleed to went through over hundred waterbordings. Not even a thousand of those make up for what that terrorist did to Daniel Pearl and not even mentioning the 9/11 victims.
She's not actually wrong on the issue here but Diane Abbott's reaction to this whole issue shows she's completely incapable of dealing with these issues. There are some situations where there is no easy answer and getting emotional about the one that was taken is just advertising your ignorance about how bad the alternative might've been.
Also, it's important to note that Abbott's beliefs on the issue would do a complete 180 if it was her faction doing them; I guarantee you she'd find a way to insert a moral grey area then, as Murray did in this video.
Is this the same Diane Abbott who publicly said that she thought chairman Mao was a force for good? I bet the families of the 60 million plus people murdered under maos regime would disagree.
Im not sure what I enjoyed more, Douglas's excellent points at the topic at hand or Diane's exasperated looks every time Douglas mad one of those points! lol
Typical interviews these days they think they are the main show and Diane Abbott is hopeless !!! Douglas Murray is magnificent and as ever very well informed, patient and articulate. If only his like were in power.
Abbott is like a hysterical house bound wife. She needs to simmer down, I thought politicians were meant to possess rational qualities which are to be used effectively for debating purposes and more importantly to make decisive decisions through a utilitarian approach
When the IRA were slaughtering people in Northern Ireland and elsewhere Dearest Diane welcomed any "setback" for the British state. Dearest Diana is not so "Dear".
She's got more time to devote to filing her astronomical expenses claims, and making sure her lunatic son's activities are kept away from the general public. Such an evil woman.
Behind the scenes things go on. You can't use velvet padded gloves with hardened criminals. Should we really mind if terrorists endured some discomfort for our cause? We're not talking about Tudor times Tower of London methods here.
This entire debate felt vastly pointless. Michael was the only one not saying the exact same stuff over and over again. Douglas made, I think a fair point, Diane for some reason or other decided to say that Douglas was not condemning torture of which extreme uses he was. This felt completely boring and painful to listen to.
No she must be allowed to continue! Her foolishness highlights much that is wrong with today's society and by virtue ... She does more for the cause of sensibility than she or the rest of the fools would like.
She is fantastic! Love her so much. She puts a loud hailer voice that speaks to the silliness that is now inherently cored into western society. Sadly that silliness she exudes is quite serious for western society. But she is still great bang for buck as an entertainment piece.
Is this the wonderful Diane Abbott who publicly stated that chairman Mao was a force for good? At least 60 million people were murdered under that despot, far worse than the nazi's ever were .
Diane Abbott? All the eye rolling and huffing and puffing, she's got that down to a fine art. Terrorists were tortured? Boo hoo Diane. They do far worse.
This conversation really is exasperating and is symptomatic of how political debate and dialogue in this country has degraded in it's sophistication. Douglas makes a detailed discussion about degrees of torture, which is correct, but Diane Abbot skips over the detail entirely and wastes the next few minutes of the discussion on an emotional and factually incorrect shouty diatribe in which she appeared to have missed all the nuances of what Douglas was saying. So then Douglas in effect has to repeat himself, largely for her benefit, rather than focussing on the important details of the discussion. Why can't she just listen and think about what's being said before going into emotional knee jerk mode. She's utterly useless, and to think she's now a member of the shadow cabinet. God help us (and I'm an atheist). Tiresome to say the least.
They should of used a looped tape of diane abbot, they would've cracked in less than five minutes. She reminds me of the snake from Disney's "Jungle Book".
Tbh I think using torture is wrong regardless and the British intelligence should never use it. I get that in the heat of an interview or interrogation there will be individual circumstances applied/considered.
This idiotic background music is simply disturbing.
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Is the answer to terror to use techniques we might consider not very nice? If the techniques work and get answers, and solve problems, then YES they should be used. Terrorists have Human Rights? WHY?
Diane Abbott is almost consistently wrong in every point these days but I think other commenters are being unfair. She does at least try to debate the points and she isn't stupid.
jesus... Douglas Murray, my hero is defending water boarding? I love everything this guy says and the way he does it but he can't possible defend water boarding and be taken seriously.
Scenario : if a man stole a car on a scorching hot day which had a baby in it and later the man was captured but the car with child in it was missing would you permit torture on a low degree to force the man to reveal to location of the car with the baby in it?
i know what you're saying but where do you draw the line? Dude the police in any western democracy aren't supposed to torture a dude for something like that, why would you say that?
I usually think DM has some good arguments but in this segment I was left unimpressed. I hate to agree with Diane Abbott, but he *was* trying to minimize prisoner torture. Thus, the repeated citing of "slapping" in the film, and the silence on "rectal feeding" - which *Diane* mentioned. I'm actually American...and when this torture report came out I was never less proud of it. The ticking bomb argument is a false argument...and the rest is just sadism.
***** no thats not what i'm saying - what i'm saying is that a small group of people ie. a ruling family pay us for our weapons so that they can suppress their population - not extremists just normal people. As a receipt we give them our tacit support and our royal family to fawn over them.
People like Abbott like to take the coral high ground as her I'll do not have an incoming of what sacrifices sometimes have to be made for freedom and survival, nobody wants it to happen but humans in the real world have to make incredibly difficult decisions sometimes.
unfortunately the states DID commit the worst things in the world - they invaded Iraq based on a lie and murdered a million civilians i'd challenge you to find anyone who did anything worse over the time period - and what point exactly was he trying to make about northern ireland? That the British people tortured their own citizens so that makes everything ok? What a disturbed mind
MrHappyBollox Agreed. I would never pick shocks to the balls over sleep deprivation and prolonged drinks but lets be real haha; its always going to be torture and it will undoubtedly be traumatising to the vast majority. Extremely motivated individuals with a lot to lose don't just crack under minimally traumatising abuse.
MrHappyBollox Technology will advance here undoubtedly making techniques more effective and quicker but regardless, its always torture. I think its also important to note that some would argue torture stands on the toes of dignity and respect that arguably murder doesnt. This doesnt sway my views in any significant way but is personally food for thought.
Hahahahaha!!! That sums up your level of intelligence.... Abbot deserves all criticisms and insults as she is not only an imbecile, but highly ineffective and dangerous as a politician - the fact she is black will not save her from the repercussions of those failings.... and you erroneously insinuating any dislike of her is solely down to her skin colour is pathetic, petty, extremely disingenuous and displays beyond any doubt that you are trying to start a race row.
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I don't know which form of torture is worse, waterboarding or listening to Diane Abbot for more than 5mins
Listening to her for 5 minutes would be the worst.
One of these is banned - the other should be …
Abbott to busy rolling her eyes, shaking her head, pointing and huffing to actually listen to the panel.
Dianne Abbot vs Douglas Murray?
That’s not even fair.
An intellectual Mike Tyson vs a Homer Simpson ( another fat cartoon character )
Diane Abbott always makes this face when someone she disagrees with is speaking on TV, like one of the camera crew has let one go mid interview.
😂😂
Dianne Abbott is always out of her depth when I see her on TV.
Paul Croft always
Whatever are saying about the Bonnie 'half', of the Bonnie and Clyde, of late night political discourse. And remember, this is the genius said that Mao did, on balance, more good than harm.
@Will Richards And her cheap as fuck wig, gets frisbeed toward the diving boards exposing her natural sponge which quickly absorbed the entire contents of the splash pool.
She’s out of her depth on Twitter nevermind tv or parliament
She'd be out of her depth in a dried up puddle.
Sharing that sofa with Abbott is akin to being waterboarded. In fact, I would opt for the waterboarding.
😂😂👍
I cannot understand how Diane Abbot has got as far as she has in politics. For twenty odd years she has been lacking nuance and verging on hysteria. Her justification for drone attacks because they are an act of war was puerile.
+kemiladashdot Really how has abbot got so far in politics um its called the labour party any idiot can get in
Might have had something to do with being Jeremy Corbyns ex rub..
She is Corbin's ex girlfriend.Sat no more
because she's a black woman. That's the answer. If she was a white British woman, she'd be working at McDonald's.
I'll tell you why Abbott has lasted so long in politics you could put a donkey up in some labour seats and they would get elected.lot of donkeys about.
If it wasn’t for positive discrimination Abbot would have spent the last thirty years struggling to hold down a job putting burgers in buns.
They are talking about how horrible it must have been for Khaleed to went through over hundred waterbordings. Not even a thousand of those make up for what that terrorist did to Daniel Pearl and not even mentioning the 9/11 victims.
Atti Ylänen yes exactly
I feel sorry for Portillo sharing a chair with a someone showing signs of insanity...
Ah for the days of Abbott & Portillo on the tacky-looking This Week sofa! Almost as comic a duo as Abbott & Costello.
Abbott could not wait to be outraged.
She's not actually wrong on the issue here but Diane Abbott's reaction to this whole issue shows she's completely incapable of dealing with these issues. There are some situations where there is no easy answer and getting emotional about the one that was taken is just advertising your ignorance about how bad the alternative might've been.
Lol yeah not sure what happened there. Think I must've taken long breaks whilst completing the first sentence.
Also, it's important to note that Abbott's beliefs on the issue would do a complete 180 if it was her faction doing them; I guarantee you she'd find a way to insert a moral grey area then, as Murray did in this video.
Is this the same Diane Abbott who publicly said that she thought chairman Mao was a force for good? I bet the families of the 60 million plus people murdered under maos regime would disagree.
Murray is proved right once again.
Almost boring consistency isn’t it 😆
Really good Douglas, always good listening to you
Better than good . Erudite and superbly educated.
She appears too emotional for these types of topics.
Love the way her wig moves when she shakes her head.
For someone who isn’t British, she sure says she is British a lot…
Abbott , what a winner for the conservatives she is 🤣
They’re prayers were answered 😆
Diane Abbott gives me heartburn.
She gives me brain-ache. Looks and acts like a different species! I half-expect her to pull out a banana.
She is always looking to heaven for guidance,
Im not sure what I enjoyed more, Douglas's excellent points at the topic at hand or Diane's exasperated looks every time Douglas mad one of those points! lol
Typical interviews these days they think they are the main show and Diane Abbott is hopeless !!! Douglas Murray is magnificent and as ever very well informed, patient and articulate. If only his like were in power.
I wish the C.I.A would water board that dreadful woman.
If you want to know what torture is like then ask Diane’s husband
Playing Britney Spears on a loop as a form of torture 😂😂😂
Douglas Murray you are the best
7 years later and still he’s far ahead of ANYONE else !
Dianne Abbott is appalling.
Diane Abbott’s face 😂
Abbott is like a hysterical house bound wife. She needs to simmer down, I thought politicians were meant to possess rational qualities which are to be used effectively for debating purposes and more importantly to make decisive decisions through a utilitarian approach
You thought wrong, unfortunately.
Gracie H she has this hate for white people so she finds it hard to be proved wrong by them every time she talks
@@wodzynskiliam5696 There's at least one white person she hasn't hated (quite to the contrary): loverboy Jeremy.
Thank God Diane Abbot has recently shown her true colours and been suspended and stripped of the Labour party whip
Dianne Abbott is a joke
Abbott, you are NOT British.
When the IRA were slaughtering people in Northern Ireland and elsewhere Dearest Diane welcomed any "setback" for the British state. Dearest Diana is not so "Dear".
Back Bench Abbott now , Thank god she is out of the picture.
She's got more time to devote to filing her astronomical expenses claims, and making sure her lunatic son's activities are kept away from the general public. Such an evil woman.
'Drone attacks are an act of war.' - D. Abbott, 2014. Bravo. Stellar analysis.
Compared to North Korea there was no torture.
She is over emotional. This is why she should not be anywhere near the levers of power.
Behind the scenes things go on. You can't use velvet padded gloves with hardened criminals. Should we really mind if terrorists endured some discomfort for our cause? We're not talking about Tudor times Tower of London methods here.
What is the problem with torturing terrorists
Nothing!
This entire debate felt vastly pointless. Michael was the only one not saying the exact same stuff over and over again. Douglas made, I think a fair point, Diane for some reason or other decided to say that Douglas was not condemning torture of which extreme uses he was. This felt completely boring and painful to listen to.
Wish I someone would stop torturing us with Diane Abbott.
No she must be allowed to continue! Her foolishness highlights much that is wrong with today's society and by virtue ... She does more for the cause of sensibility than she or the rest of the fools would like.
who employs her an whyyyyy
She is fantastic! Love her so much. She puts a loud hailer voice that speaks to the silliness that is now inherently cored into western society. Sadly that silliness she exudes is quite serious for western society. But she is still great bang for buck as an entertainment piece.
Is this the wonderful Diane Abbott who publicly stated that chairman Mao was a force for good? At least 60 million people were murdered under that despot, far worse than the nazi's ever were .
A political “ comic foil “ .. the “ court jester “
I felt sorry for the interigators.....having to listen to Britney that much.
10:22 "under a Labour government" - Dianne Abbott
Diane Abbott?
All the eye rolling and huffing and puffing, she's got that down to a fine art.
Terrorists were tortured? Boo hoo Diane. They do far worse.
one thing I do know is there's to many terrorists here so ask yourself why and how this is able to happen
"and incidentally you can read about it in my book on Bloody Sunday.."
Hahaha!!! Love Doiglas Murray x
This conversation really is exasperating and is symptomatic of how political debate and dialogue in this country has degraded in it's sophistication. Douglas makes a detailed discussion about degrees of torture, which is correct, but Diane Abbot skips over the detail entirely and wastes the next few minutes of the discussion on an emotional and factually incorrect shouty diatribe in which she appeared to have missed all the nuances of what Douglas was saying. So then Douglas in effect has to repeat himself, largely for her benefit, rather than focussing on the important details of the discussion. Why can't she just listen and think about what's being said before going into emotional knee jerk mode. She's utterly useless, and to think she's now a member of the shadow cabinet. God help us (and I'm an atheist). Tiresome to say the least.
Torture is Torture.
Has that Abbott creature ever condemned terrorist actions and beliefs? I've never seen evidence of it.
They should of used a looped tape of diane abbot, they would've cracked in less than five minutes. She reminds me of the snake from Disney's "Jungle Book".
Tbh I think using torture is wrong regardless and the British intelligence should never use it. I get that in the heat of an interview or interrogation there will be individual circumstances applied/considered.
Big fan of water boarding ! Surfing in particular I love to hang 10 of them (toes)
Look at that hair lol
diane abbot lmfao you have no idea
I think they may be sitting far too close to each other...
This idiotic background music is simply disturbing.
Is the answer to terror to use techniques we might consider not very nice? If the techniques work and get answers, and solve problems, then YES they should be used. Terrorists have Human Rights? WHY?
Its Brittney fkin spears man, not kylie minogue!
Britney spears on a loop? Ok I'll tell you everything.
Just imagine the Hyperthetical offspring of Abbot and Andrew Neil, that would be the ugliest thing to ever exist.
Diane Abbott is almost consistently wrong in every point these days but I think other commenters are being unfair. She does at least try to debate the points and she isn't stupid.
jesus... Douglas Murray, my hero is defending water boarding? I love everything this guy says and the way he does it but he can't possible defend water boarding and be taken seriously.
Scenario : if a man stole a car on a scorching hot day which had a baby in it and later the man was captured but the car with child in it was missing would you permit torture on a low degree to force the man to reveal to location of the car with the baby in it?
i know what you're saying but where do you draw the line? Dude the police in any western democracy aren't supposed to torture a dude for something like that, why would you say that?
No no im with you. Its just a horrible issue .
He is and he is.
Why can't he your dealing with hardened terrorists who mean the west harm
i agree
I usually think DM has some good arguments but in this segment I was left unimpressed. I hate to agree with Diane Abbott, but he *was* trying to minimize prisoner torture. Thus, the repeated citing of "slapping" in the film, and the silence on "rectal feeding" - which *Diane* mentioned. I'm actually American...and when this torture report came out I was never less proud of it. The ticking bomb argument is a false argument...and the rest is just sadism.
he was trying to minimize it because there is absolutely no evidence to support what the idiot was claiming. did you not hear what he said at 8.55?
***** thats all well and good but the saudis are the biggest ally the british and the US have in the area - our security services support them
***** no thats not what i'm saying - what i'm saying is that a small group of people ie. a ruling family pay us for our weapons so that they can suppress their population - not extremists just normal people. As a receipt we give them our tacit support and our royal family to fawn over them.
***** who do you think we is you fucking idiot
@3:50 is priceless!
People like Abbott like to take the coral high ground as her I'll do not have an incoming of what sacrifices sometimes have to be made for freedom and survival, nobody wants it to happen but humans in the real world have to make incredibly difficult decisions sometimes.
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Very powerful rebuttal from Diane Abbott. Emotion in politics, when well-argued, is never a bad thing.
False propaganda depends on stoking emotions.
Hmm, one of the few times i don't agree with Douglas Murray, the problem with torture is it gives false information at best
The vapours.
unfortunately the states DID commit the worst things in the world - they invaded Iraq based on a lie and murdered a million civilians i'd challenge you to find anyone who did anything worse over the time period - and what point exactly was he trying to make about northern ireland? That the British people tortured their own citizens so that makes everything ok? What a disturbed mind
Cant stand Abbott. Nevertheless i dont buy into "varying degrees"
+Vinny M Torture should be illegal across the board. Obviously governments will do it as seen fit this is the world!
MrHappyBollox Agreed. I would never pick shocks to the balls over sleep deprivation and prolonged drinks but lets be real haha; its always going to be torture and it will undoubtedly be traumatising to the vast majority. Extremely motivated individuals with a lot to lose don't just crack under minimally traumatising abuse.
MrHappyBollox Technology will advance here undoubtedly making techniques more effective and quicker but regardless, its always torture. I think its also important to note that some would argue torture stands on the toes of dignity and respect that arguably murder doesnt. This doesnt sway my views in any significant way but is personally food for thought.
God help me, I know this bish is gonna get me triggered, as always, but I've just discovered Murray and havent seen this clip! Here goes
Diane was proven spot on! And trying to justify torture in guantanamo or north of ireland just shows a serious deviance of that mans moral compass.
You’re right Henry. It’s criminal to torture anyone when Diane Abbot is available to lock up with any suspects. I’d crack within an hour🥹
The comments here about Abbott are the usual snide stuff. I thought it was an excellent discussion between all parties.
Hahahahaha!!! That sums up your level of intelligence.... Abbot deserves all criticisms and insults as she is not only an imbecile, but highly ineffective and dangerous as a politician - the fact she is black will not save her from the repercussions of those failings.... and you erroneously insinuating any dislike of her is solely down to her skin colour is pathetic, petty, extremely disingenuous and displays beyond any doubt that you are trying to start a race row.
can't believe I agree with Diane Abbott