Just a note to Bill, if any of his staff read these comments: The "ball" device to which he was referring at the beginning of the segment is called a "Newton's cradle." You're welcome.
Agree, wholeheartedly. He’s actually been to many places and has been able to see what’s really happening. Bruni seems to just get his information from Don Lemon or Rachel Maddow.
@@javiersds8081 yes but he just posts interviews he does, it's not his own content. he did do a 10-episode history show and posted it, and he recently posted a documentary, but that's it in terms of original content. which is good in my opinion
Really love the new calibre of guests. Fewer flame throwers & more thinkers. Who know how to have a discussion. Able to raise the consciousness of viewers with a side helping of humor.
But why bring Murray on? Maher continues to bring these Israel cucks on his show because he's one himself. It's nauseating. Bring someone on the show who is from Palestine, or someone from Al Jazeera, or a network that is not firmly in the pocket of Israel. THAT would make for an honest debate, but Bill is afraid.
The "steel balls" are called Newton's Cradle - I looked it up because it's so spot on. One "far-side" acts - the other "far-side" reacts and everybody else takes a beating and gets nowhere!
The guy from the NY Post was spreading propaganda, in reference to the protest on college campuses. A call for a ceasefire is not pro-hamas, or anti-Semitic, which is the disinformation that he was trying to spread. The students have been calling for humanitarian aid to starving women and child who are being terrorized by the IDF and Netanyahu. Long live the World Central Kitchen
Same! It's so much easier just to buy the cd and enjoy listening and dancing along to the music at home. Not to mention more economical. Though, I hardly ever buy cds anymore either.
Remember that Taylor Swift fans are predominantly teenage/early 20s girls, so every ticket sold to one of them results in a second ticket sold to a parent who's the 'security escort' for the evening. Great way to double your ticket sales, Ms. Swift.
I still go to concerts but now only 1-2 year. Of course the formerly legendary acts I like, like Neil Young, Robert Plant and John Mellencamp, are “vintage” now. Still pricey though.
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 We're probably about the same age so I know what you mean. I go see SOME of these guys but for example as much of an Eagles fan as I am I won't go see them because they were the 1st ones I remember where the price gouging was so outrageous that I just can't forgive it. Before they got back together I did see Henley solo though.
"How are people going to know their history if there's no statues?" ... idk, books maybe? What an insane thing to argue about. This was embarrassing to watch.
I agree! I have family that live in Virginia a& they took me to see that area couple years ago. I don’t know every time I see relatively new statue of someone there’s always something really odd about it!🎾
@@ITOLDUDA Can't you read the title that names all 3 guests -- "Eric Schlosser, Douglas Murray, Frank Bruni"? Can't you see all 3 of them sitting near Bill? But if you still want to imagine only 2, then go ahead imagine a warped world for 🤡 yourself. Everyone else sees 3 guests. None were "regulars".
@@Oxley016 If you consider Douglas Murray to be "one of the greatest thinkers", this tells us only the level of disparity between his & your faculties (and nothing more) -- alternately it's a quite inopportune situation for you, that you've never encountered (or maybe couldn't fully assess) anyone smarter than him. I hope you take more opportunities to expose yourself to smarter people. There are many. Good luck.
When I saw Prince, The Time & Vanity 6 in 1983, I paid between $10-$15 dollars for Prince ticket. And I was on the 2nd row. Seeing Prince & his Band, Vanity, Susan, Brenda, I was so close, I didn’t know Morris Day had freckles on his face. I guess he always wore makeup on his albums. Now they pay $10K to see Taylor Swift; unbelievable.
The Hollywood Bowl used to offer UCLA students $2 rush tickets. I got to hear a lot of amazing artists, including the flutist Rampal (1976), for next to nothing.
I haven't been to a concert in over 20 years. When I saw INXS during their Kick Tour in 1988, the tickets were $17 or $18, and I had floor seats. I got a great view of Michael Hutchence and most of the band. In 1992, I saw U2's Zoo TV Tour at Arrowhead Stadium for $35 and I was kind of high in the rafters. In 1997, I saw U2's Pop Mart Tour for $60 and I was on the ground. I could barely see the band and the show was an utter disappointment. Years later, I heard their tickets were selling for as high as $200 and I said no thanks. I haven't been to a concert since. Besides, there's no one good enough to see that would make me want to part with my money these days.
Museums, history classes, documentaries, books are places where one can learn about history and the relevance of certain people during the historical time.
Muray's take on Monument Avenue is typical low-grade bullshit from a celebrity opinion peddler. Monument Avenue was a private real-estate venture designed to capitalize on the post-reconstruction phenomenon of reasserting white power. He's a cunt for whining about no "monuments" on Monument Avenue.
@revtheory Douglas Murray's a buffoon. He embarrassed himself again. After he said his first words, all 3 others saw his racist point & denounced his words. He slivered back into his tiny box. He was smart enough to then revise his words, spinelessly.
@@mdaddy775 “immigrants bad, Muslims bad, woke is bad, Christianity good, well western Christianity is good even though I’m a gay atheist, the West is the greatest of all time, Zionism is good and Isreal is awesome forever” I might be oversimplifying him but that’s basically his whole thing 😂
Statues in the 1920s centered around efforts of reconciliation between the Blue and the Gray as they aged out. Various reunions and commemorations were held by both Union and Confederate veterans throughout the 1920s. These gatherings aimed to foster reconciliation and mutual respect among former adversaries, often emphasizing the shared sacrifices and experiences of soldiers on both sides.
People some to overlook or forget that it was a civil war. You don't conquer and subjugate. You don't fly over and leave. Your enemy was your neighbor, your brother, your countryman. The war being over, you now have to live with them. What makes it easier to bury a hatchet, a Seinfeld-esque "No statues for you!' approach, or a "Bury your dead, honor your heroes. Come home" approach?
I got my Dad's old worn out truck on it's 2nd engine and nearly 400K miles. He did it to teach me a lesson in appreciating nicer things when you have them. And he was right.
You know Bill Maher has been a lot of things over the years but he's always stuck to his guns and his convictions even if you disagree with him at points. He's not trying to fuck with you. Kudos to him. I like this phase of Bill Maher. I think he is the number 1 unbiased news outlet at this point.
He is, has been and always will be a limousine liberal. Many people tend to seek stability as they age and that isn't found in left-wing ideology. For as long as I've watched him, he has never seemed to had an "ah ha" moment. He is an unapologetic partisan.
@@timducote5713 I saw him one time ask why the Dems lie, that the rich do pay more taxes than us. The liberal person he asked did not have a good answer. LOL
Not really. It was just more of the same "Israel is great, Palestine sucks....anyone who supports Palestine is anti-Semitic, and Israel never does anything wrong....let's compare what Israel is doing to what Ukraine is doing...." nonsense. It's total garbage. I'd like to see Bill actually bring on someone who supports Palestine and hear their argument for why they're protesting Israel, instead of bringing on all these stooges who chalk it all up to anti-Semitism, ignorance, and being in college.... that would make for a good show.
Okay, I'm an elder on a fixed income. As a, " child of the 60s ", today's ticket prices and legal scalping has me reluctant to pay into an artist's retirement fund.
This is actually much better than the main show. The discussion about statues was pretty nuanced by today’s standards. It is possible to distinguish between a statue put up in another era and one put up more recently to represent very bad ideas. Concretely, there is a difference between a monument to someone like “Stonewall” Jackson put up in 1919 v. one put up in the 1860s, because obviously the person putting up the statue in 1919 is making a very specific point.
not sure ANY statues if stonewall were put up in the 1860s. i can't say for sure, i know most of the confederate statues were put up a long long time after the war ended. so idk how many put up contemperaneously have survived to be an issue. in any case, the initial question was about school names, and these schools were certainly built long after the civil war, had their names changed from confederate heroes, and now have had those confederate heroes names put back on. at this point that's pure spite, and if you wanna consider it a reaction to grievance culture, ok, but it's a petty, spiteful, racist reaction.
I remember concerts where everyone paid the same $20 for an all day concert like the US Festival in 1983 with bands like Van Halen and Ozzy. I was able to see close to 100 live bands in my teens and 20s. I've been able to afford taking my adult daughters to only 4 concerts in the last decade.
Back in the mid-70's, I saw the Crusaders a few rows back from the stage, center aisle, tickets were $5 each. Also saw Frank Zappa at the same venue on blue collar wages. Now it's down payment and terms. Fuhgeddaboudit.
$20 concerts were a time when the artists made money selling their recordings. Streaming killed that revenue, so they have to make their money on tour.
@@megansummersides4255 "They" have banned books. Or gotten them banned. Usually to their discredit. I wouldn't ban books personally. Even books by narcissistic, racists like Murray. Because everyone one is entitled to their opinion. Including all the people Murray wants to shut up. Another narcissistic racist, Adolf Hitler, wrote a vile book back in the day. But even that shouldn't be banned because it shows the truth of the man. Many warts and all. That book becomes all the more important when Republican senators lie and say that Hitler was a left winger, which shows that they never bothered to read his thoughts in Mein Kampf. Any books you'd ban, Megan?
Freddy Mercury threw you a tambourine? That also happened to me...I was in the 6th row at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Freddy made eye contact (because I had a joint in my hand), nodded, and threw the tam right to me. I got my hand on it, but so did everyone around me....I couldn't even let go of it by this time. It finally broke into pieces, I didn't even get a small piece, just a cut on my finger from the little cymbal diigging in. But I didn't drop the joint!.
EXTEND Overtime. Are they afraid they'll run out of material? I do realize there is that risk of having one of those "panels of idiots..."... That does happen enough. I think it's WORTH the risk. EXTEND Overtime. Thank you!
They have done it once or twice. I remember they went for 45 minutes once on overtime. But the concept isn't to have more of a free discussion anymore. They used to chance the at.osphere a bit since it was 'the internet'. But there isn't a real difference between tv and the internet anymore.
Let’s rename all the schools and buildings named after Confederates with the names of Union Generals. I’d love to know there’s a General Sherman High School in Mississippi!
Better yet, let's name a school "The Battle of Vicksburg," so Mississippi doesn't forget the major battle they lost. They must learn and remember their history!
Question. What if there was one. What if there was one, it had been standing for 30 years and....no one cared? No rallies under it. No pro-Hitler pamphleteering under it. No fist-fights under it. What if the community's lived-history with the statute was benign or banal? Would you get rid of it? Or would the fact that the statue stood for all those years while people DIDN'T make their neighbors' lives miserable be in some way a testament to how far people have come along, how they've progressed. A challenge overcome. Such that removing the statue eliminates the reminder of the progress made. Or, again, would it have to go because Hitler was evil?
Right. The man was losing the argument the second he made a relation to statues and people knowing history. I know history because I've been schooled and lived through some events. Not because I saw a statue. Statues are a nice way to commemorate someone for something they did, not to learn history.
Savannah, GA did a great job of "retain & explain". They did not tear down the Confederate statues, but they did add statues of Black civil rights leaders and monuments to historical Black locations. I think it's great because I enjoyed reading the history of both and it's important to highlight negative aspects as well.
Modern young people don't know (or care) anything about the original civil rights leaders or about confederate Civil War leaders. The iconoclasm against statues was nothing more than mob rage.
"Savannah, GA did a great job of 'retain & explain'. They did not tear down the Confederate statues, but they did add statues of Black civil rights leaders and monuments to historical Black locations. I think it's great because I enjoyed reading the history of both and it's important to highlight negative aspects as well." Exactly. Its called 'history' -- all of it, the good & the bad, and it has nothing to do with 'being woke'. America should treat all this stuff as a 'learning/teaching' moment; 'lord' knows Americans needs to be be better educated !!!
There's a lot of value in being able to actually see a historical figure up close, as they had looked in full scale. I feel as if there's a humanity element here that should not be undermined.
Excellent show, excellent guests, and a bang on takedown of the herd mentality of the media on New Rules. One of the strongest episodes this year. The writers (and Bill) earned their paychecks this week.
They removed Teddy Roosevelt on his horse with his two Indian guides from the entrance to the museum of natural history in New York. So cut the “celebrating slavery” crap.
@@joemess "Traitors" -- 18th and 19th century Americans confronted more intense feelings of divided loyalty than do today's Americans. Your friends, your neighbors, your family -- they were part of your State. The federal government was more like an abstraction. Further, if you believe (as many at the time did) that the federal government was a creation of the states via ratification - then it is easy to understand why a state announcing its secession wasn't an act of treason but merely an act of contract termination.
Bill if you or your staff read this, consider having a guest on that has contrary take on the war in Gaza to your own and interview the other side directly. I denounce the attack on October 7 and all forms of antisemitism, but I feel Doug Murray just glossed over the suffering of the civilians there.
Nobody is going to call that guy out on his bulls@@t, wage inequality and a declining middle class have nothing to do with envy or jealously. My Uncle worked as a postman with no college education and my Aunt worked part-time at a retail store. They had the money to buy a big house, own two cars and live a very good middle class life. Most of us want that life and we are not expecting to live like the rich, but we have not changed. The government and corporate greed have gotten worse. Nothing is enough for these people and wanting what the Silent Generation and Baby Boomers have is somehow unreasonable in their view.
If people who want those things would behave like their grandparents, they would be more likely to get that stuff. Even now in a different economy. I work with young people and their parents and I see it happen! For example, they can go back to the values that existed in those days… waiting a little longer to start their families (like maybe after high school?), taking available jobs and not acting like McDonald’s is beneath them? Fast food is paying $20 an hour in many parts of the country nowadays! Being willing to work the starter jobs and progressing their way up the ladder while getting a skill- just one example, Union pipefitters make $120k a year, with great benefits and pension! Many school districts offer welding classes, and kids can get trained and certified right out of high school! But this requires them to… What? Not be on drugs! Not be addicted to substances, games and porn! Be willing to get off their behinds and get out of their homes! Maybe have some work ethic! Maybe getting some religion might help! If you want what grandma and grandpa had, maybe you better find out what they were doing! Do you want to know who has what grandma and grandpa had? Immigrants! Yes, even the ones who are streaming across the border! And they are working darn hard for it. I meet immigrants all the time who have been here 10 years and are buying houses. After painting homes, working in yards, cleaning, farming, doing the grunt work lazy Americans don’t want to do. They are achieving the American dream. It is still out there. If you’re waiting for America to hand it to you, guess who’s going to end up paying for it? You. And guess what it’s going to look like? Just imagine your dream house. Not that.
And these statues were a scam too. They were cheapass statues that played on these bitter old racist fools hatred to make a buck. Same with the KKK. There was ONE clothing seller that made a huge amount of money selling these fools Klanwear. The haters got ripped off. Good.
@@phill73says the Daughters of The Confederacy. You could ya know, research for yourself. Confederate statues and altered textbooks in the south were just two examples of how the DoTC tried to establish the mythology of “the lost cause”
Re education about our history…since statues are honoring, or celebrating the wrong people, we must learn our history not from a 5 inch plaque which does not explain much, we must read, see statues in museums, attend school. Statues here and there do not educate!!!
Eric should tell the direct, blunt truth and not be worried about being sued, or don't appear on a show. I like Maher's honest reply. It has been known for decades that artificial sugars cause cancer, and acritical ingredient disrupts glucose control. Kudos to Douglas Murray as usual. Love him.
Zeppelin, 1977, LA Forum, second row loges, $9.95. Now its hundreds for bands I never heard of. I don't go to concerts anymore, even if I can afford it.
I have a friend that talks about his attendance at a Led Zep concert from that time/era, and how close he was to the stage (2nd row). ❤ watching his eyes go back to the memory. ⚘️
I don't think I've ever seen Bill laugh as hard as he did when Murray talked about the statue of Arthur Ashe looking like he was beating a child😆 Bill hates him some rug rats
But there is a very distinct form of self-punishment that Germany took on in the era following WWII: there are many German cities that adopted the notoriously harsh and sometimes deliberately ugly Brutalist architecture as a visual marker.
@@Echo-mg5emI don’t think that has anything to do with their post-war guilt complex, a lot of European cities are blighted by hideous Brutalist architecture, not just German ones
Superb panel, and Overtime needs to be extended. The book that was mentioned to Eric in the main show, was Sapiens : A Brief History of Humankind, by Yuval Noah Harari. Bill didn't give the author or much about it, but it's one of the finest books in that field. He was on the show back in October 2022, the last show that Quentin Tarantino was on.
Regardless of one's opinion on Confederate monuments, the mountain carving in Georgia is an enormously impressive piece of art that will be left alone.
I come from Liverpool Uk, we were a slave exporter, we have a slave museum, we understand it was different times, The world has changed. Our Liverpool port was built on money from the slave trade. But the UK was the FIRST country to BAN slavery.
It was probably manufactured goods as well, but it's our history, some bits we like some bits we don't, but it's history it's there for us to learn, to accept and grow.
You also provided materiel support to the Confederacy during the American Civil War and allowed them to build a raider in your shipyard, which then set sail from your port and sank numerous Union vessels. You lost any right to boast about being the first country to end slavery the instant you did that.
There is a difference between banning slavery and banning the slave trade. The US banned slave trade in the early 1800s, but it took another 50 years to actually ban the practice of slavery.
Statues are not how we “remember history”. We use libraries, public education and museums for that. Statues serve the purpose of veneration and glorification. Germany doesn’t have statues of Hitler, South Africa doesn’t have statues of Verwoerd.
That's because those people were ruthless dictators and it's bad faith to compare them to Confederate leaders whose actions were not nearly as bad, and whose history represents sentimental significance for many southerners. It's not all about "learning history". It's about acknowledging it and learning to cope with the past.
Eh... not true. Bill has admitted to being wrong about something on more than one occasion. And I've often heard him make a statement that his guest immediately refuted, compelling Bill to retract or modify his position.
@@Simon-talkswrong show. Hannity is sieg heiling for you on Fox everyday and covering all Trumps crimes with bluster about gas stoves and trans phobia. Something to keep you flexing in the mirror for yourself Bro…..
I'm a black man living in Richmond Virginia. Robert E. Lee was a son of Virginia who just happened to fight for his state (which was the mentality pre-Civil War). I had no issue with his statue on Monument Avenue.
In 1969 I attended a concert with Ike and Tina Turner, BB King, and the Rolling Stones at the Oakland Coliseum. We paid $10 and complained that the cost was outrageous. Things have changed.
True, so long as they still teach history straigh-up vs. the new re-write that places facts on back burner so as to appease a certain agenda and generally a negative undercurrent re: Founding Fathers.
In Ron Desantis's Florida, the history classes would just be more glorification of white ancestors who "built this country", and will mention some ethnic groups that got in the way of that.
Douglas Murray rules. Bill, please get him on the show more often.
He says right-wing trash with a posh voice. That's it.
More Douglas Murray please!
But he's a bigot because I said so
@@g_4784 sounds legit. Ready the pickforks.
@@g_4784 stop trolling
@@Gannicus006 I'm parodying the people who troll
Check your local dumpster.
So happy that Bill had Mr. Murray on his show!!!
But have you considered that Douglas is a revisionist because he is pro-Israel and disagrees with me
Bill Mahers take on Palestine is the most sophmoric explanation I could ever imagine!
Burr exposed Maher for the joke that he is.
Me too! I really love both of them!
Murray tells facts about Palestine nobody has the balls to say on TV..
@@easynow7425eh.. how? I saw that podcast.
As soon as I saw Douglas Murray, I need to watch!
Just a note to Bill, if any of his staff read these comments: The "ball" device to which he was referring at the beginning of the segment is called a "Newton's cradle."
You're welcome.
Kinda wasted on bill maher fans
@@gosselinluke balls? yeah
His staff has Google. Theyre not going to read your comment
Of course, they read the comments. That's how they delete the ones critical of Bill.
oh thank you
It's truly a delightful treat to have Doug Murray at the table.
Agree, wholeheartedly. He’s actually been to many places and has been able to see what’s really happening. Bruni seems to just get his information from Don Lemon or Rachel Maddow.
Agree 💯
Douglas needs his own show or podcast STAT!!!! Eloquence and common sense embodied!
i prefer him going around on everyone elses. that way, he reaches WAY moe audiences. if he had his own, he would have just 1 audience.
He does have his own YT channel. It's called simply 'Douglas Murray'.
@@javiersds8081 yes but he just posts interviews he does, it's not his own content. he did do a 10-episode history show and posted it, and he recently posted a documentary, but that's it in terms of original content. which is good in my opinion
Needs to fix his lisp!
@@jacobmatthews7524 Yes, the world needs to witness his propaganda and cheap insults!
Bill, Best show ever!! Just preordered your book, and bought the Murray and Bruni books
Really love the new calibre of guests. Fewer flame throwers & more thinkers. Who know how to have a discussion. Able to raise the consciousness of viewers with a side helping of humor.
Agree. Kellyanne Conway last week was nauseating.
No there should always be people from both sides of the coin. Need more guests like her not less.
But why bring Murray on? Maher continues to bring these Israel cucks on his show because he's one himself. It's nauseating. Bring someone on the show who is from Palestine, or someone from Al Jazeera, or a network that is not firmly in the pocket of Israel. THAT would make for an honest debate, but Bill is afraid.
Again, thank goodness for no Kellyanne Conway! She’s not sane nor competent to speak along side this intelligent caliber of guests! 🤥😠
Love listening to Douglas Murray
“It makes me glad I didn’t go”. Great fast wit with that one.
yeah I didn't get it. Please explain how that was witty. Talk to me like I'm 5 years old without implying I'm 5 years old
I enjoyed listening to this intelligent conversation while still allowing a place for humor 😊
It sounded intelligent, but it was just privileged celebrities. Murray and Mahr are tedious to well researched folks.
Great panel Again,good one Bill,touching on the relevant issues
You had me at Douglas Murray.
he lost me at Douglas Murray.
He’s got seriously sweaty pits
Truth!
@@nicebluejayyou sound lost alright.
He's a right-wing clown and spin-doctor.
The "steel balls" are called Newton's Cradle - I looked it up because it's so spot on. One "far-side" acts - the other "far-side" reacts and everybody else takes a beating and gets nowhere!
I was raised with, "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" implied..everybody in the middle gets hammered from both sides
@@winnienourse5492 I never thought it in that way. I will now.
yeah that was a very accurate analogy. those 2 balls are the problem and need to be removed.
@@callamastia Remove two of your balls and see what happens.
No it wasn't. The balls dont move. In our situation the balls are moving then tugged in the other direction. Pendulum is correct
This is a great show and you had great guests...super bright and intelligant conversation..
"Intelligant"? I guess that would be a blend of "intelligent" and "elegant".
This was a terrific episode: top notch guests who brought out the best in each other and in Bill.
The guy from the NY Post was spreading propaganda, in reference to the protest on college campuses. A call for a ceasefire is not pro-hamas, or anti-Semitic, which is the disinformation that he was trying to spread. The students have been calling for humanitarian aid to starving women and child who are being terrorized by the IDF and Netanyahu. Long live the World Central Kitchen
I don't go to concerts simply because of how expensive they are.
Same! It's so much easier just to buy the cd and enjoy listening and dancing along to the music at home. Not to mention more economical. Though, I hardly ever buy cds anymore either.
ticketmaster needs to be de-monopolized
Most of my faves are dying off, save for McCartney, James Taylor et al. And my rap group dudes won’t perform together (OutKast)
Ok ...
Remember that Taylor Swift fans are predominantly teenage/early 20s girls, so every ticket sold to one of them results in a second ticket sold to a parent who's the 'security escort' for the evening. Great way to double your ticket sales, Ms. Swift.
When I was young, I went to 3-4 concerts a year. I'm glad I'm as old as I am because I could never afford it at today's prices.
I still go to concerts but now only 1-2 year. Of course the formerly legendary acts I like, like Neil Young, Robert Plant and John Mellencamp, are “vintage” now.
Still pricey though.
I buy the live shows and watch them at home too, then the only annoying belligerent drunk I have to deal with is me.
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 We're probably about the same age so I know what you mean. I go see SOME of these guys but for example as much of an Eagles fan as I am I won't go see them because they were the 1st ones I remember where the price gouging was so outrageous that I just can't forgive it. Before they got back together I did see Henley solo though.
Me too!! In the 70s ,the Doobie brothers were 15 dollars a ticket. It was packed with high school kids and on up
When I was young, I never needed anyone and making love was just for fun.
"How are people going to know their history if there's no statues?" ... idk, books maybe? What an insane thing to argue about. This was embarrassing to watch.
When I saw Bowie in 1983 there were people who wouldn't go because the ticket prices were too high. I paid $ 20.00.
$60 today. Guess people weren't used to the normal prices today.
The Arthur Ashe statue in Richmond is hilarious. He really looks like he is beating the kids.
I agree! I have family that live in Virginia a& they took me to see that area couple years ago. I don’t know every time I see relatively new statue of someone there’s always something really odd about it!🎾
Poc artists are
Embarrassing
It looks like the kids are trying to get the book he's holding, and he's about to beat them down to keep the book safe.
This was a great panel. Usually at least one is insufferable, but both of the main guests made good points without being unlikeable.
@ITOLDUDA You said you liked "both of the guys". Didn't you see there were 3? But as usual, one (Murray) *_WAS_* insufferable.
@@keep-ukraine-free528 No, there were two primary panelists during the show. Did you not watch the show? 🤣
@@keep-ukraine-free528 Douglas Murray is one of the greatest thinkers and speakers of our time. I can't think why you would think that about him.
@@ITOLDUDA Can't you read the title that names all 3 guests -- "Eric Schlosser, Douglas Murray, Frank Bruni"? Can't you see all 3 of them sitting near Bill? But if you still want to imagine only 2, then go ahead imagine a warped world for 🤡 yourself. Everyone else sees 3 guests. None were "regulars".
@@Oxley016 If you consider Douglas Murray to be "one of the greatest thinkers", this tells us only the level of disparity between his & your faculties (and nothing more) -- alternately it's a quite inopportune situation for you, that you've never encountered (or maybe couldn't fully assess) anyone smarter than him. I hope you take more opportunities to expose yourself to smarter people. There are many. Good luck.
Surprisingly odd that Schlosser never mentioned the forever chemicals we are ingesting as a result of drinking bottled water.
When I saw Prince, The Time & Vanity 6 in 1983, I paid between $10-$15 dollars for Prince ticket. And I was on the 2nd row. Seeing Prince & his Band, Vanity, Susan, Brenda, I was so close, I didn’t know Morris Day had freckles on his face. I guess he always wore makeup on his albums. Now they pay $10K to see Taylor Swift; unbelievable.
The Hollywood Bowl used to offer UCLA students $2 rush tickets. I got to hear a lot of amazing artists, including the flutist Rampal (1976), for next to nothing.
You saw some great Minneapolis musicians ❤
@@shiddykiddy-lp4dzmsp ❤
Corporate greed
I haven't been to a concert in over 20 years. When I saw INXS during their Kick Tour in 1988, the tickets were $17 or $18, and I had floor seats. I got a great view of Michael Hutchence and most of the band. In 1992, I saw U2's Zoo TV Tour at Arrowhead Stadium for $35 and I was kind of high in the rafters. In 1997, I saw U2's Pop Mart Tour for $60 and I was on the ground. I could barely see the band and the show was an utter disappointment. Years later, I heard their tickets were selling for as high as $200 and I said no thanks. I haven't been to a concert since. Besides, there's no one good enough to see that would make me want to part with my money these days.
Museums, history classes, documentaries, books are places where one can learn about history and the relevance of certain people during the historical time.
Exactly. Don't need statues of traitors of the country to teach history
These people act like someone who ignores all those things would voluntarily choose to study a statue. #weaksauce
Sadly… out of sight, out of mind.
People with attention span of Tik Tok will not learn from museums or Libraries…. I feel sorry for Teachers today
Can we remove the Lenin statue in Seattle?
@@AverageJoe483private owner on private property, the Lenin statue has nothing to do with public funds or the government of Seattle.
Yes!! Douglas Murray, the last beacon of truth!! Awsome
Lol saying stuff is a “beacon of truth” now? Yikes
Muray's take on Monument Avenue is typical low-grade bullshit from a celebrity opinion peddler. Monument Avenue was a private real-estate venture designed to capitalize on the post-reconstruction phenomenon of reasserting white power. He's a cunt for whining about no "monuments" on Monument Avenue.
@revtheory Douglas Murray's a buffoon. He embarrassed himself again. After he said his first words, all 3 others saw his racist point & denounced his words. He slivered back into his tiny box. He was smart enough to then revise his words, spinelessly.
@@intello8953 He says things that make right-wing simpletons happy
@@mdaddy775 “immigrants bad, Muslims bad, woke is bad, Christianity good, well western Christianity is good even though I’m a gay atheist, the West is the greatest of all time, Zionism is good and Isreal is awesome forever” I might be oversimplifying him but that’s basically his whole thing 😂
Statues in the 1920s centered around efforts of reconciliation between the Blue and the Gray as they aged out. Various reunions and commemorations were held by both Union and Confederate veterans throughout the 1920s. These gatherings aimed to foster reconciliation and mutual respect among former adversaries, often emphasizing the shared sacrifices and experiences of soldiers on both sides.
People some to overlook or forget that it was a civil war. You don't conquer and subjugate. You don't fly over and leave. Your enemy was your neighbor, your brother, your countryman. The war being over, you now have to live with them. What makes it easier to bury a hatchet, a Seinfeld-esque "No statues for you!' approach, or a "Bury your dead, honor your heroes. Come home" approach?
So many parents buy their teenage kids new cars at 16/17. It blows my mind.
oof. I got a $1000 used car when I was 16 and I felt insanely blessed.
if it's a new car then they are financially well off .. and they have more than cars ...
I got my Dad's old worn out truck on it's 2nd engine and nearly 400K miles. He did it to teach me a lesson in appreciating nicer things when you have them. And he was right.
My father bought my stepsister a fancy german car at that age.
Only rich people do that.
You know Bill Maher has been a lot of things over the years but he's always stuck to his guns and his convictions even if you disagree with him at points. He's not trying to fuck with you. Kudos to him. I like this phase of Bill Maher. I think he is the number 1 unbiased news outlet at this point.
With those lip smacks, he’s sticking to those gums too
Good one
Its not ideal to stick to the same viewpoints throughout your life
He is, has been and always will be a limousine liberal. Many people tend to seek stability as they age and that isn't found in left-wing ideology. For as long as I've watched him, he has never seemed to had an "ah ha" moment. He is an unapologetic partisan.
@@timducote5713 I saw him one time ask why the Dems lie, that the rich do pay more taxes than us. The liberal person he asked did not have a good answer. LOL
"How are people gonna know their history if there's no statues?" -- Murray
"I don't know. Books?"
kids dont read books though. And they are the future and will fuck things up if they are not shown the past
"Let's have a drink" was a very sincere and warm closing line.
Never destroy history. Don't burn books.......
Or re-write history to spare feelings,,, I don't know which is worse.
Or ban books like they are doing in Florida Texas Arkansas Alabama, pretty much all of the old Confederacy, I wonder why?🤔
@@thetruthendofstory So you support the sexualization of children but offended by Huckleberry Finn, got it…
@@thetruthendofstory groomer
@@thetruthendofstory No books in those states have been banned. California however did ban books.
What a great show this week. Wish it were even longer. A breath of fresh air.
Not really. It was just more of the same "Israel is great, Palestine sucks....anyone who supports Palestine is anti-Semitic, and Israel never does anything wrong....let's compare what Israel is doing to what Ukraine is doing...." nonsense. It's total garbage. I'd like to see Bill actually bring on someone who supports Palestine and hear their argument for why they're protesting Israel, instead of bringing on all these stooges who chalk it all up to anti-Semitism, ignorance, and being in college.... that would make for a good show.
Okay, I'm an elder on a fixed income. As a, " child of the 60s ", today's ticket prices and legal scalping has me reluctant to pay into an artist's retirement fund.
I love Overtime! thank you for this brief moment of real thoughts!
This is actually much better than the main show. The discussion about statues was pretty nuanced by today’s standards. It is possible to distinguish between a statue put up in another era and one put up more recently to represent very bad ideas. Concretely, there is a difference between a monument to someone like “Stonewall” Jackson put up in 1919 v. one put up in the 1860s, because obviously the person putting up the statue in 1919 is making a very specific point.
It usually is. They used to cover more topics in the regular show
Hmmm wish this wasn't edited so I can see your beef with Mr. Jackson ha.
not sure ANY statues if stonewall were put up in the 1860s.
i can't say for sure, i know most of the confederate statues were put up a long long time after the war ended. so idk how many put up contemperaneously have survived to be an issue.
in any case, the initial question was about school names, and these schools were certainly built long after the civil war, had their names changed from confederate heroes, and now have had those confederate heroes names put back on.
at this point that's pure spite, and if you wanna consider it a reaction to grievance culture, ok, but it's a petty, spiteful, racist reaction.
@@vforwombat9915 Agree wholeheartedly.
@@vforwombat9915 I never heard of the back and forth with confedrate named schools - if that is true it is spiteful and silly.
I remember concerts where everyone paid the same $20 for an all day concert like the US Festival in 1983 with bands like Van Halen and Ozzy. I was able to see close to 100 live bands in my teens and 20s. I've been able to afford taking my adult daughters to only 4 concerts in the last decade.
Back in the mid-70's, I saw the Crusaders a few rows back from the stage, center aisle, tickets were $5 each. Also saw Frank Zappa at the same venue on blue collar wages.
Now it's down payment and terms. Fuhgeddaboudit.
@@MarvinThiessen and a massive "service fee" for each ticket 🙄
Like virtually everything else the cost has grown faster than regular peoples incomes
$20? I walked into the 3rd day of the 1983 US Festival right before Bowie went on and saw him Scot-free. 😊
$20 concerts were a time when the artists made money selling their recordings. Streaming killed that revenue, so they have to make their money on tour.
How are people going to know their history if there are no statues? Heard of books, Murray?
Exactly! 💯
Lol, aren’t they trying to ban all of them too. Nice try though 😂
@@megansummersides4255 "They" have banned books. Or gotten them banned. Usually to their discredit. I wouldn't ban books personally. Even books by narcissistic, racists like Murray. Because everyone one is entitled to their opinion. Including all the people Murray wants to shut up. Another narcissistic racist, Adolf Hitler, wrote a vile book back in the day. But even that shouldn't be banned because it shows the truth of the man. Many warts and all. That book becomes all the more important when Republican senators lie and say that Hitler was a left winger, which shows that they never bothered to read his thoughts in Mein Kampf. Any books you'd ban, Megan?
You don’t need a statue commemorating a traitor. That is what museums are for.
This Bruni is marvelously on-target, bright, and brief.
That sort of skill wins debates
Freddy Mercury threw you a tambourine? That also happened to me...I was in the 6th row at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Freddy made eye contact (because I had a joint in my hand), nodded, and threw the tam right to me. I got my hand on it, but so did everyone around me....I couldn't even let go of it by this time. It finally broke into pieces, I didn't even get a small piece, just a cut on my finger from the little cymbal diigging in. But I didn't drop the joint!.
Lmao. Great anecdote, thanks for posting that.
@@mikemcnamara6483 I saw Freddie but alas got no tambourine. Love him still so much!
Another amazing panel. Overtime is too short!
EXTEND Overtime. Are they afraid they'll run out of material? I do realize there is that risk of having one of those "panels of idiots..."... That does happen enough. I think it's WORTH the risk. EXTEND Overtime. Thank you!
@@billmimmstrue dat, yo. True dat.
They have done it once or twice. I remember they went for 45 minutes once on overtime. But the concept isn't to have more of a free discussion anymore. They used to chance the at.osphere a bit since it was 'the internet'. But there isn't a real difference between tv and the internet anymore.
Let’s rename all the schools and buildings named after Confederates with the names of Union Generals. I’d love to know there’s a General Sherman High School in Mississippi!
Better yet, let's name a school "The Battle of Vicksburg," so Mississippi doesn't forget the major battle they lost. They must learn and remember their history!
Germany knows its history very well and I can promise you there's not a single statue of Hitler in a town square or anywhere else.
Question. What if there was one. What if there was one, it had been standing for 30 years and....no one cared? No rallies under it. No pro-Hitler pamphleteering under it. No fist-fights under it. What if the community's lived-history with the statute was benign or banal? Would you get rid of it? Or would the fact that the statue stood for all those years while people DIDN'T make their neighbors' lives miserable be in some way a testament to how far people have come along, how they've progressed. A challenge overcome. Such that removing the statue eliminates the reminder of the progress made. Or, again, would it have to go because Hitler was evil?
Right. The man was losing the argument the second he made a relation to statues and people knowing history. I know history because I've been schooled and lived through some events. Not because I saw a statue. Statues are a nice way to commemorate someone for something they did, not to learn history.
@@brandongratta9040 This is an interesting twist - never thought of it that way! Thanks
@@brandongratta9040 Statues have a way of inspiring the learning the history in way books, lectures halls, and museums do not.
@@pandaloon6083 then make a statue for the victims not the people that caused the harm. It should be for commemoration
Savannah, GA did a great job of "retain & explain". They did not tear down the Confederate statues, but they did add statues of Black civil rights leaders and monuments to historical Black locations. I think it's great because I enjoyed reading the history of both and it's important to highlight negative aspects as well.
Modern young people don't know (or care) anything about the original civil rights leaders or about confederate Civil War leaders. The iconoclasm against statues was nothing more than mob rage.
"Savannah, GA did a great job of 'retain & explain'. They did not tear down the Confederate statues, but they did add statues of Black civil rights leaders and monuments to historical Black locations. I think it's great because I enjoyed reading the history of both and it's important to highlight negative aspects as well."
Exactly.
Its called 'history' -- all of it, the good & the bad, and it has nothing to do with 'being woke'.
America should treat all this stuff as a 'learning/teaching' moment; 'lord' knows Americans needs to be be better educated !!!
'how are people going to know their history without statues?' - I can't take you seriously after that statement. ..
Is the statue in the room with you right now?
It's an interesting question since Americans don't read anymore. Maybe ticktock videos of American history?
@@CrapKerouacso what makes you think they're going to read a statue then
It starts with the statues
There's a lot of value in being able to actually see a historical figure up close, as they had looked in full scale. I feel as if there's a humanity element here that should not be undermined.
Came for Douglas Murray
Nobody in this panel has ever heard of the four olds in China, besides Douglas Murray.
Excellent show, excellent guests, and a bang on takedown of the herd mentality of the media on New Rules. One of the strongest episodes this year. The writers (and Bill) earned their paychecks this week.
It wasn't that great.
@@johnlewinski6359 I agree, it was a bit boring tbh.
Better than with Kelly Con Away
They've really hit their stride; this one and the last 2
Was wonderful that you had Douglas Murray on show Frank Bruni good as well helped .me recover from Kellyanne Conway
They removed Teddy Roosevelt on his horse with his two Indian guides from the entrance to the museum of natural history in New York. So cut the “celebrating slavery” crap.
Trump asked, "where does it stop?" and rightly predicted that statues of Washington and Jefferson would come down, too.
They were Slave Owners 🤣👿🤔
Losers and traitors don't get statues. Period. End of discussion.
Should the Iraqi’s bring back the statue of Saddam Hussein?
@@joemess "Traitors" -- 18th and 19th century Americans confronted more intense feelings of divided loyalty than do today's Americans. Your friends, your neighbors, your family -- they were part of your State. The federal government was more like an abstraction. Further, if you believe (as many at the time did) that the federal government was a creation of the states via ratification - then it is easy to understand why a state announcing its secession wasn't an act of treason but merely an act of contract termination.
I'm always inspired by Douglas Murray!!!
Bill if you or your staff read this, consider having a guest on that has contrary take on the war in Gaza to your own and interview the other side directly. I denounce the attack on October 7 and all forms of antisemitism, but I feel Doug Murray just glossed over the suffering of the civilians there.
Excellent points made.
It's called a Newton's Cradle, Bill. 🤦🏻♂️
100 years later , the roaring 20’s repeats itself 🎉😮
Good to see Douglas Murray getting some more airtime on TV
Nobody is going to call that guy out on his bulls@@t, wage inequality and a declining middle class have nothing to do with envy or jealously. My Uncle worked as a postman with no college education and my Aunt worked part-time at a retail store. They had the money to buy a big house, own two cars and live a very good middle class life. Most of us want that life and we are not expecting to live like the rich, but we have not changed. The government and corporate greed have gotten worse. Nothing is enough for these people and wanting what the Silent Generation and Baby Boomers have is somehow unreasonable in their view.
If people who want those things would behave like their grandparents, they would be more likely to get that stuff. Even now in a different economy. I work with young people and their parents and I see it happen!
For example, they can go back to the values that existed in those days… waiting a little longer to start their families (like maybe after high school?), taking available jobs and not acting like McDonald’s is beneath them? Fast food is paying $20 an hour in many parts of the country nowadays! Being willing to work the starter jobs and progressing their way up the ladder while getting a skill- just one example, Union pipefitters make $120k a year, with great benefits and pension! Many school districts offer welding classes, and kids can get trained and certified right out of high school!
But this requires them to… What? Not be on drugs! Not be addicted to substances, games and porn! Be willing to get off their behinds and get out of their homes! Maybe have some work ethic! Maybe getting some religion might help! If you want what grandma and grandpa had, maybe you better find out what they were doing!
Do you want to know who has what grandma and grandpa had? Immigrants! Yes, even the ones who are streaming across the border! And they are working darn hard for it. I meet immigrants all the time who have been here 10 years and are buying houses. After painting homes, working in yards, cleaning, farming, doing the grunt work lazy Americans don’t want to do. They are achieving the American dream. It is still out there. If you’re waiting for America to hand it to you, guess who’s going to end up paying for it? You. And guess what it’s going to look like? Just imagine your dream house. Not that.
@@k.c.4423 That is out of touch Boomer thinking little buddy. You're allowing greedy corporations and politicians off the hook.
We don't learn our history from statues, we learn our history from BOOKS! Statues were built for WORSHIP and REVERENCE!
Worship? Then none should exist on public land.
Wow so many here love Douglas I thought I was the only one
3:20 How are we to remember 9/11 without a statue of bin Laden at Ground Zero? 😢
Douglas 😊
You don’t need every statue out in the open. Put them in a museum and explain context. Read a book or 50 to keep up with history!
which demographic has the absolutely lowest attendance in Museums? That is why we need historic monuments in public.
@@AB-ol5uz The monumental statuary removed in Richmond was not historic. It was anti-historical, enforcing the mythology of the Great Lost Cause.
And these statues were a scam too. They were cheapass statues that played on these bitter old racist fools hatred to make a buck. Same with the KKK. There was ONE clothing seller that made a huge amount of money selling these fools Klanwear. The haters got ripped off. Good.
@@davidyohalem629 Says you
@@phill73says the Daughters of The Confederacy. You could ya know, research for yourself.
Confederate statues and altered textbooks in the south were just two examples of how the DoTC tried to establish the mythology of “the lost cause”
Re education about our history…since statues are honoring, or celebrating the wrong people, we must learn our history not from a 5 inch plaque which does not explain much, we must read, see statues in museums, attend school. Statues here and there do not educate!!!
Eric should tell the direct, blunt truth and not be worried about being sued, or don't appear on a show. I like Maher's honest reply. It has been known for decades that artificial sugars cause cancer, and acritical ingredient disrupts glucose control. Kudos to Douglas Murray as usual. Love him.
Spot on honest and hysterical as always thanks!
Zeppelin, 1977, LA Forum, second row loges, $9.95. Now its hundreds for bands I never heard of. I don't go to concerts anymore, even if I can afford it.
I have a friend that talks about his attendance at a Led Zep concert from that time/era, and how close he was to the stage (2nd row).
❤ watching his eyes go back to the memory. ⚘️
Yes. @@mykingdomforak9 Its burned into my brain, too.
I wish I could've seen them, but I was born in '72 😒😒
There are lots of very good bands playing in every major city for $20 or less, and you can be 10 feet away from the band.
@skipmartin3469 Look at your ticket stub again. Mine says $9.75 - 12Loge Section 12, Row DD, Seat 6. L.A. Forum June 26th 1977
Does anyone know who won the American Revolutionary War? In 1776, New Yorkers pulled down a statue of King George, so I have no idea...
Mr.Murray,”Anytimg with balls, Bill I am all in!”😮😅
I don't think I've ever seen Bill laugh as hard as he did when Murray talked about the statue of Arthur Ashe looking like he was beating a child😆 Bill hates him some rug rats
Biggest laugh of the night 😂
New here?
Germany does not have statues of Hitler nor the Swastika everywhere and I bet they "remember their history."
Based
And?
You need to educate yourself on how racists and antisemitic a statement you just made was. Wtf is wrong with you.
But there is a very distinct form of self-punishment that Germany took on in the era following WWII: there are many German cities that adopted the notoriously harsh and sometimes deliberately ugly Brutalist architecture as a visual marker.
@@Echo-mg5emI don’t think that has anything to do with their post-war guilt complex, a lot of European cities are blighted by hideous Brutalist architecture, not just German ones
QUEEN! 😁 I went for $30 CDA and was in the second row. Still have the ticket and the pamphlet.
Went to a Solid Gold taping, and caught the neck half of the guitar Wendy O. Williams cut in half with a chain saw.
Love Douglas ❤❤❤❤
Douglas is not exaggerating about that Arthur Ashe statue
No, he is very much exaggerating, but it is a weird design.
It literally is like 1/3 of what he explained he did over exaggerate
And made a cheap joke at its expense. Typical NY Post BS.
@@andrewwilliams9599oh pls
The Ashe statue is ridiculous and a local joke. Placed there over the objections of his family at the insistence of the white sculptors fans.
Never burn books or topple statues.
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Gawd bless Murica 🤓 🖕
@@firstlast8258amen! Where homophobic statues of MLK are allowed because life isn't simple.
Superb panel, and Overtime needs to be extended.
The book that was mentioned to Eric in the main show, was Sapiens : A Brief History of Humankind, by Yuval Noah Harari. Bill didn't give the author or much about it, but it's one of the finest books in that field. He was on the show back in October 2022, the last show that Quentin Tarantino was on.
How do you explain history without the statues? Maybe books.
I spent one Saturday for two concerts at the Monterey Pop Festival. Saw several of the top bands on Earth. Paid a whopping 3.50 per show.
1967, my buddy Wally Heider was on stage saving his equipment from destruction by THE WHO.
Thx Bill
Caught his Tambourine, I'm so jelly!
I went to Newton's Cradle High School in NJ then graduated from Benedict Arnold University. I see nothing wrong.
LOVE Douglas Murray. Brilliant, brave voice for today
Regardless of one's opinion on Confederate monuments, the mountain carving in Georgia is an enormously impressive piece of art that will be left alone.
Nothing gets a bigger laugh out of Maher then the thought of a child getting beat!
That was a great panel.
Enjoyed this panel. Specially Douglas Murray.
Some people still can't admit the difference about teaching history and celebrating the worst of history
I come from Liverpool Uk, we were a slave exporter, we have a slave museum, we understand it was different times, The world has changed. Our Liverpool port was built on money from the slave trade.
But the UK was the FIRST country to BAN slavery.
You don’t think the majority of the trade of goods, was were where the money came from? Saying it was from slavery is misleading and inaccurate.
It was probably manufactured goods as well, but it's our history, some bits we like some bits we don't, but it's history it's there for us to learn, to accept and grow.
You also provided materiel support to the Confederacy during the American Civil War and allowed them to build a raider in your shipyard, which then set sail from your port and sank numerous Union vessels. You lost any right to boast about being the first country to end slavery the instant you did that.
I'm not boasting , it's FACT. I'm not saying it's all good or all bad it happened, it's documented , ITS HISTORY
There is a difference between banning slavery and banning the slave trade. The US banned slave trade in the early 1800s, but it took another 50 years to actually ban the practice of slavery.
Love Douglas Murray
Statues are not how we “remember history”. We use libraries, public education and museums for that. Statues serve the purpose of veneration and glorification. Germany doesn’t have statues of Hitler, South Africa doesn’t have statues of Verwoerd.
Lee is far from being Hitler. Slavery was legal in the US throughout the war. Lincoln was president of a slave nation.
That's because those people were ruthless dictators and it's bad faith to compare them to Confederate leaders whose actions were not nearly as bad, and whose history represents sentimental significance for many southerners. It's not all about "learning history". It's about acknowledging it and learning to cope with the past.
Our civil-war was brother against brother, not the same as your examples. Hitler's Mein Kampf is still being published, a best seller in Turkey.
As always Bill has to be a 100% right,so smug.
He says i haven't changed like its a good thing 😅
Eh... not true. Bill has admitted to being wrong about something on more than one occasion. And I've often heard him make a statement that his guest immediately refuted, compelling Bill to retract or modify his position.
These $10,000 in ticket sales are probably going straight to the credit card with 23% IR.
the steel balls are called Newton's Cradle, Bill. You, know the famous physicist?
I went to a QUEEN concert in INDY in January 1977... Standing room only.... Stood 20 feet from the stage... Great show...
Back hen you had to take film to get developed and wait a week for the pictures of your thumbs!
To forget the past is to repeat it
No one forgets if a statue is removed...
yeah these kids must have forgotten since they want a world run by Lenin now
@@Simon-talkswrong show. Hannity is sieg heiling for you on Fox everyday and covering all Trumps crimes with bluster about gas stoves and trans phobia. Something to keep you flexing in the mirror for yourself
Bro…..
@@morbidmanmusic Yes they do, they don’t even realize it was ever there.
@@morbidmanmusicWhich will not remove history, the way it happened.
I'm a black man living in Richmond Virginia. Robert E. Lee was a son of Virginia who just happened to fight for his state (which was the mentality pre-Civil War). I had no issue with his statue on Monument Avenue.
In 1969 I attended a concert with Ike and Tina Turner, BB King, and the Rolling Stones at the Oakland Coliseum. We paid $10 and complained that the cost was outrageous. Things have changed.
I remember when concert tickets were $6 or $8. When The Rolling Stones came to town everyone was outraged that tickets were $15. 😂
Loved the film!!!! Many thanks, Eric. 💙💙💙💙💙
Douglas Murray is a once in a lifetime genius.
How will people know history without status?
I guess if we still have history classes in schools they can learn it there
"Revisionist history"
True, so long as they still teach history straigh-up vs. the new re-write that places facts on back burner so as to appease a certain agenda and generally a negative undercurrent re: Founding Fathers.
In Ron Desantis's Florida, the history classes would just be more glorification of white ancestors who "built this country", and will mention some ethnic groups that got in the way of that.