Just in case you were wondering if we ever looked into this, well, now you know! BTW, we just posted a big Patreon written blog update on our plans for this year! www.patreon.com/posts/76702217?pr=true (finally back to posting regularly on Patreon! Thanks for your patience while we tried to get back ahead of the main content and months of unending reviews!)
You didn't use a cheap ARGB hub loaded up with fans and rgb lights.... did you? I have had a feeling this had something to do with it.... no one ever asks exactly WHICH rgb products you are using, and we KNOW the standards for rgb products are ALL OVER THE PLACE!! (as in.. THERE ARE NO STANDARDS!!! lol) Within the first MONTH of by my FIRST computer with all brand new parts and out of my own pocket some cheap argb hub fried the sound on my ASROCK B550 (the system recognizes it just fine with zero errors, it just puts out zero sound) and ASROCK even said they would RMA it with no questions asked but I told the guy that I plugged in an ARGB hub from some no-name fan manufacturer and the sound just stopped and he said he has seen argb hub do all kinda of crazy stuff to their mobo's .... AND I was chatting with a NEWEGG rep about a different RMA and brought up ARGB hubs frying stuff and he said essentially the same thing..... so MAYBE it would have been worth looking into... (or reading your comments, because I kept leaving comments about this in all the vids you made about the backwards caps... but I understand reading is hard lol :P nah I know you get A LOT of comments and you have MANY MORE things to do) - so I just wanted to FYI you guys about it, in case it's ever helpful :)
"We torture tested the equipment. We have a result. The result is "Nothing"." That just happens sometimes. But yeah, it's ESPECIALLY annoying when you're EXPECTING a flashier result.
I love it when things go wrong for you, you guys screw up, or you get weird results, or unusual hardware, and then you come to explain it. Its the most interesting content. Least interesting: Generic benchmarks, boring.
a negative result is still a result. its a big problem in the scientific community that people only want to publish findings when they actually find something. so we end up not having a lot of data that DISPROVES links between two things etc. glad you're getting these things on the record even if theyre not "exciting" enough for the main channel
@@hunterscooters5101 this isnt a "fixed" board. it had the capacitor installed backwards just like the ones that failed. it doesnt show that asus fixed the issue it shows that the issue was rare and that not all boards with the backwards cap would fail
You're very right. Publish or parish leads to a lot of bullshit research from higher education. This is also why researchers will collect data from many different variables at once and just hope that at least two of the variables have a relationship. That's not how you're supposed to test. The chance of a false positive goes dramatically up when you test in this way. One small note is that you can't really disprove a link between variables with a single (probably relatively small) sample. You either observe a relationship or you fail to observe a relationship. So maybe there is a weak relationship but you just didn't find strong enough evidence.
@@jonlaw16 yes but false negatives are also a thing. Just because you didn’t get a result from testing doesn’t mean that there is no relationship. You just didn’t have the right conditions for the event to occur. Publishing a negative result would not be the same a disproving that relationship. Unless you specifically set out to disprove it, it’s not worth publishing.
That's some fairly wholesome content. We've have a team that spent thousands of dollars on a project and a year of their time, and the primary concern is simply to update the community and regain their table space. I love how the testing is complicated but the humanity behind it, is still simple. Humble.
The nice thing about having the community's support is that we can occasionally try to explore something like this and walk away knowing we tried, rather than trying to turn it into something bigger than it is. Thank you for the kind words and support!
@@gnextras You didn´t try. You DID find out what happens. Nothing. That is still information which is useful overall and for some owners of the motherboard maybe something that puts their mind at ease. I am here for exactly this. Information. Not for spectacle. You all provide us with trustworthy information over the last years. And i really hope you know how much this is worth these days.
In case you guys are ever wondering "Man, we talked about X thing X long ago and said we were doing something with it, and we're *still* not done/not resolved it, I wonder if anyone still cares about it or remembers it?" Hi, that person is me. Legitimately and not being facetious those kinds of long term *actual* genuine tests are seriously interesting to me, and updates like this are incredibly satisfying and fulfilling as they bring closure to a question. I often wonder about long term projects that seem to have faded away on channels, and though they don't occupy my mind all the time I do find myself thinking in passing about those types of things somewhat frequently, and I do sincerely enjoy getting updates on them when there's something to share- including the finding that there was nothing significant! That's an important part of the scientific method!
Could not agree more brother. Those long term projects that are said will be returned to, like 9/10, are not. Wheter it be TH-cam, DIY type TV programs, or a freakin magazine seldom do I see a project returned to a year later bc the results are uninteresting.
I think they should mention it in their other videos, like the news recap. Just give us a quick update on what projects they have going on in the background.
me too tbh, i hate niot having closure no matter how small something is, especially if its something long term like... the findings either way are legitimate and interesting and come from a real intensive testing
Glad to see that you’re still keeping us updated on stories that either didn’t come to plan or just a time/space conflict I appreciate these smaller updates on things that some people may have forgotten
I know what you need to do to make it pop. Use the board for something you rely on, like a stream PC for a event. If your luck is like my luck it will go.
Sounds like a good home here and more extra content to me so that’s awesome! It’s cool to see all those man/ equipment hours get out somewhere since I’m sure it’s annoying with stories like this one
I think its cool that you are putting out your "negative results" somewhere. In scientific research, publishing negative results is critical but way to overlooked and underappreciated. I know what you are doing is not really scientific research but I think negative results are still important. Glad to see you are not letting them go to waste.
Great job, Steve and crew! You did get a very reasonable and thorough conclusion. We were just expecting a different answer. Again, another fine T&E. Please continue this type of reporting.
Nice, been wondering about this every now and again. Either it was being worked on behind the scenes or, well, this. Awesome that you *do* spend the time on these sort of things though.
I appreciate any GN content. It’s still interesting to see the results (even if it’s not the ‘exciting’ result). Love y’all’s thoroughness - and will watch any update videos. Appreciate your work
What I like about this is that you're showing the work and data behind the kickback of "could not replicate condition" that you often see from a shop (especially w/cars, OMG), which is perfect for the extras channel, IMO!
Thank you for taking the time to do this video, you had the right idea: all that money and work needs to be recognized, and it doesn't matter it didn't yield alert-worthy results.
Very awesome to have quick little updates like this on longer term things in the works / lack of results / other plans for the office etc. Really interesting to see how you all work.
I actually found this quite interesting. In particular, I appreciate the commentary on the approach you took to testing, as well as how you recorded data and attempted to record evidence of the failure.
Sensational or not a result is a result. Thanks for all the hard work you guys put in. I like seeing videos like this that just talk about the testing done.
Back in the day I bought a first run modmat just because I thought it was cool, but I'm glad the money went to a team that truly has their heart in it. Like you could not pay 99% of reviewers enough to do this kinda stuff and here you are putting thousands into it and only getting a "behind the scenes" vid.
As a customer that bought 2 Asus motherboards for my office and home rig that I assembled myself, this fills me with confidence and relief knowing that I'll have good millage out of it for years to come. Keep the good news coming 👍
This is def main channel content. Make a video featuring the guys who did the testing and give a recap of their methodology and their findings. Even though they didn’t blow up it’s still interesting.
Thank you very much for your hard work, time, and money spent on investigating this The data gathered is still valuable! It very possibly could have been a multiple points of failure issue that most motherboards wouldn't have issues with I'm glad you're going to be publishing stuff like these now so we can at least see the fruits of your work which is still very much valid
Thanks for all your effort GN Team! Even if the results did not pan out in this instance, we always look forward to your journalistic integrity raising the standard for information for us, the average consumers!
This has probably already been said but I think it's still super important to talk about when an issue isn't happening despite outside claims. Even if it won't get the most views I love the idea of mentioning these things, though I feel if it's only mentioned in the hardware news it could be glossed over when someone is looking for it
Sometimes you gotta know when to throw in the towel and stop giving in to the sunk cost fallacy. However it is commendable that you guys stuck with it for this long, trying to get it to fail. Even if the issue is long resolved it’s still interesting to see what went wrong in the first place and what the potential failure mechanism was. As other people have said, a negative result is still a result, and it’s super interesting that your sample did not fail after all these months where other people’s sample failed very quickly. Thank you for updating us on this project even though the board is still working, which is almost as interesting as if the board had failed. (Also if one of those gosh dang bots instantly replies to this comment…)
Great job! I am probably not alone in saying that lot of the daily driver/productivity crowd keep their PCs for many years and find this info VERY useful. Unfortunately both motherboard manufactures and PC TH-camrs require a constant flow of new products and built-in-obsolesce to survive. Also Big Kudos for testing USB!. Although people like to get over-excited about VRMs I find that onboard peripheral chips fail far far more often than anything CPU related. My old MSI board is still running but the front panel USB chip has died, the built in Ethernet has died etc... P.S This is also why we need more PCIe slots and not just a bunch of M.2 slots....
But this Is a good thing to post as well as your other stuff because uploading information on when products are not good vs when they are good & when they fix an issue gives consumers a better scope on whats a good product & what they should & shouldnt buy.
I think it would be a good idea to release a semi-regular (for example, quarterly or twice a year) video about your lab updates. You could talk about what new long-term projects there are, if there are any updates on other long-term projects, show what's new in the lab, talk about testing methodology et cetera. That way it is still a decent content piece even if the testing didn't produce any sensational results. It's still a very valuable information, and I'm sure your viewers would find it a very engaging.
There’s a running concern in academia called publication bias where only positive results are published. Releasing these tests that don’t work out instead of burying them may help reduce the general overreaction from the public whenever some random issue blows up on the internet. Perhaps people will be more patient and wait for more conclusive testing after seeing enough negative results.
Some outlets do private / paid testing for that reason, but we just don't accept money for it because the ethical complications become difficult to navigate.
Long time ago my old FM2+ board was NOT actually compatible with the hyper 212 OG. I forced it too work, and bent that Board so badly it made cracking noises and couldn't mount stand offs anymore. It was a very noticeable C shape. It still works today. If I ever unmount it's gonna give up I'd bet.
The old saying in electrical engineering is simply "5-5" it means faulty electronics fail in either 5 minutes or 5 years with no inbetween with experience its more like 3 days or 3 years, but that might be worth keeping in mind when testing things for failure i think this problem is the capacitors that were factory tested exploded, the ones that were not factory tested were fine. Electrolytic caps go through a process called forming over 100 hours or so and in the process of forming the cap is polarized, this cap was simply never powered on the right way around and formed backwards if a backwards formed capacitor has any disadvantages im not sure, i dont think anyone ever cared to try
Your results are still results and valuable information. Just because it didn't behave as expected, its not useless information I guess. Data is data and more information about something produces more data to work on. Even though Asus resolved the issue very well, it's still interesting to see that apparently this cap being backwards didn't actually cause the issue. Still interesting and valuable information, thanks for keeping us updated even thought it didn't behave as expected!
I could absolutely see a confirmation bias issue showing up in cases like this. By the time you've spent $1400 on motherboards and lots of time and resources testing them to try and make them explode, you _really_ want to be able to produce some content based on it. I could see less scrupulous people doing some crappy things.
Great great idea, for huge fans it's always nice for us to see what experiments and testing you are doing in the lab even though results aren't what you expect. I think you should also consider selling that hardware with a big discount in the GN Store to get some of that (investment) money back and label them as "Test/Lab Equipment" or "Used for testing" same as an open box item but of course with NO warranty from GN, that's why it should have a pretty cool discount. Personally I wouldn't mind buying "lab hardware" from you guys. You can even combine it with GN's apparel, mod mats, etc. Like "For every purchase of +$250.00 in 'Lab's hardware get a 100% Cotton TShirt for free" hahahaha.
Publishing negative results is an amazing idea. Given the cherry picking of results has been plaguing science for a long time, I think it is tremendous you are willing to share what didn't work from your experiments even though it'll cost more effort to make those videos instead of just cutting your losses and moving on. Way to go! GN again showing to the rest of the community "how it's done".
Having no exciting result here is actually a really good thing so I like to know about it. Hey this board survived all of our testing for over a year. Pretty good stuff.
"We didn't find anything" is still a valid finding. You just _know_ it would have blown up if you hadn't looked, right? 😁 Hope the new year went well at GN HQ!
It's good to know the result of this so in the future when we choose products we can see these videos about quality, endurance, performance of a product.
>Ultra high-end mobo doesn't spectacularly fail. Well good! Also shows like the 4000 series power connector that failures like this are extremely rare and not something the end user should honestly be concerned about.
That explains why these boards passed initial QC despite having a capacitor installation problem. I wonder if you would return these boards to Asus or keep them for internal use?
This is actually good findings and reassuring that the Asus Z690 board is actually pretty rock solid despite the component placement fault that some had. I wonder if it just prevents the quick USB charging? As in, it won't deliver above USB spec power current as a quick charge port should. (BTW, as Steve mentioned, Asus will still fix your board if it fails due to the flipped cap until the warranty period is up.)
I would love if stuff like this could get a small mention in a HW news once it's over as well, and then basically keep it to saying that nothing happened, and to check GN Extras for context / the full non-story.
It'd probably help out this content to give it a shout out during GN News pieces. Minor updates on these would also be good for Patreons ("It didn't blow up this week.") It'd also serve as a reminder where all the missing tables have gone. Also protip for these long term testing projects: get a good UPS. Various long term test projects like this will end to a mains power failure.
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Just in case you were wondering if we ever looked into this, well, now you know!
BTW, we just posted a big Patreon written blog update on our plans for this year! www.patreon.com/posts/76702217?pr=true (finally back to posting regularly on Patreon! Thanks for your patience while we tried to get back ahead of the main content and months of unending reviews!)
I did not watch through all of the video yet, but this could be a really cool format for the main channel! Cool idea, but expensive
You didn't use a cheap ARGB hub loaded up with fans and rgb lights.... did you? I have had a feeling this had something to do with it.... no one ever asks exactly WHICH rgb products you are using, and we KNOW the standards for rgb products are ALL OVER THE PLACE!! (as in.. THERE ARE NO STANDARDS!!! lol)
Within the first MONTH of by my FIRST computer with all brand new parts and out of my own pocket some cheap argb hub fried the sound on my ASROCK B550 (the system recognizes it just fine with zero errors, it just puts out zero sound) and ASROCK even said they would RMA it with no questions asked but I told the guy that I plugged in an ARGB hub from some no-name fan manufacturer and the sound just stopped and he said he has seen argb hub do all kinda of crazy stuff to their mobo's ....
AND I was chatting with a NEWEGG rep about a different RMA and brought up ARGB hubs frying stuff and he said essentially the same thing..... so MAYBE it would have been worth looking into... (or reading your comments, because I kept leaving comments about this in all the vids you made about the backwards caps... but I understand reading is hard lol :P nah I know you get A LOT of comments and you have MANY MORE things to do) - so I just wanted to FYI you guys about it, in case it's ever helpful :)
"We torture tested the equipment. We have a result. The result is "Nothing"."
That just happens sometimes.
But yeah, it's ESPECIALLY annoying when you're EXPECTING a flashier result.
Sounds like those motherboards work great, after testing you sell it :P
I love it when things go wrong for you, you guys screw up, or you get weird results, or unusual hardware, and then you come to explain it. Its the most interesting content. Least interesting: Generic benchmarks, boring.
a negative result is still a result. its a big problem in the scientific community that people only want to publish findings when they actually find something. so we end up not having a lot of data that DISPROVES links between two things etc. glad you're getting these things on the record even if theyre not "exciting" enough for the main channel
Exactly. This video proves that Asus fixed the issue and shows that no matter what you put the motherboard through it won't die.
@@hunterscooters5101 this isnt a "fixed" board. it had the capacitor installed backwards just like the ones that failed. it doesnt show that asus fixed the issue it shows that the issue was rare and that not all boards with the backwards cap would fail
You're very right. Publish or parish leads to a lot of bullshit research from higher education. This is also why researchers will collect data from many different variables at once and just hope that at least two of the variables have a relationship. That's not how you're supposed to test. The chance of a false positive goes dramatically up when you test in this way.
One small note is that you can't really disprove a link between variables with a single (probably relatively small) sample. You either observe a relationship or you fail to observe a relationship. So maybe there is a weak relationship but you just didn't find strong enough evidence.
@@jonlaw16 yes but false negatives are also a thing. Just because you didn’t get a result from testing doesn’t mean that there is no relationship. You just didn’t have the right conditions for the event to occur. Publishing a negative result would not be the same a disproving that relationship. Unless you specifically set out to disprove it, it’s not worth publishing.
@@jonlaw16
There's a replication problem for a reason :)
That's some fairly wholesome content. We've have a team that spent thousands of dollars on a project and a year of their time, and the primary concern is simply to update the community and regain their table space. I love how the testing is complicated but the humanity behind it, is still simple. Humble.
The nice thing about having the community's support is that we can occasionally try to explore something like this and walk away knowing we tried, rather than trying to turn it into something bigger than it is. Thank you for the kind words and support!
@@gnextras You didn´t try. You DID find out what happens. Nothing. That is still information which is useful overall and for some owners of the motherboard maybe something that puts their mind at ease.
I am here for exactly this. Information. Not for spectacle. You all provide us with trustworthy information over the last years. And i really hope you know how much this is worth these days.
@@gnextras nice
In case you guys are ever wondering "Man, we talked about X thing X long ago and said we were doing something with it, and we're *still* not done/not resolved it, I wonder if anyone still cares about it or remembers it?" Hi, that person is me. Legitimately and not being facetious those kinds of long term *actual* genuine tests are seriously interesting to me, and updates like this are incredibly satisfying and fulfilling as they bring closure to a question. I often wonder about long term projects that seem to have faded away on channels, and though they don't occupy my mind all the time I do find myself thinking in passing about those types of things somewhat frequently, and I do sincerely enjoy getting updates on them when there's something to share- including the finding that there was nothing significant! That's an important part of the scientific method!
Could not agree more brother. Those long term projects that are said will be returned to, like 9/10, are not. Wheter it be TH-cam, DIY type TV programs, or a freakin magazine seldom do I see a project returned to a year later bc the results are uninteresting.
I think they should mention it in their other videos, like the news recap.
Just give us a quick update on what projects they have going on in the background.
me too tbh, i hate niot having closure no matter how small something is, especially if its something long term like... the findings either way are legitimate and interesting and come from a real intensive testing
Glad to see that you’re still keeping us updated on stories that either didn’t come to plan or just a time/space conflict I appreciate these smaller updates on things that some people may have forgotten
Null results are equally important. Good job and thanks for publishing
Proper data is important,right? Science isn’t about confirming your bias.
Loving all the GN Extras content lately 😊
We appreciate your hard work! Even when we don’t see it, GN’s high value content tells us it’s there. No doubt.
I know what you need to do to make it pop. Use the board for something you rely on, like a stream PC for a event. If your luck is like my luck it will go.
You are introducing another variable there, their luck... Why not have them ship you the board so that we can reliably blow it up? 🤣
Gotta love how casual the Extras channel is. Outro even cuts like a second early
Sounds like a good home here and more extra content to me so that’s awesome! It’s cool to see all those man/ equipment hours get out somewhere since I’m sure it’s annoying with stories like this one
I think its cool that you are putting out your "negative results" somewhere. In scientific research, publishing negative results is critical but way to overlooked and underappreciated. I know what you are doing is not really scientific research but I think negative results are still important. Glad to see you are not letting them go to waste.
Just the time and hardware commitment to recording for several months is cool. Love the dedication
I like the idea of mentioning it on hardware news and directing to this channel for a more in depth for those that want to see all the details.
“Computers, they’re hard” is the biggest truth on the internet, spoken so exactly 😂 Made my day, Steve! 🤘
Computers are complicated, they're decades of electrical engineering and computer science knowledge stacked up on top of eachother to reach this point
This aged like fine milk on ASUS' side with 7000X3D issues haha
This channel is the perfect spot to put this type of information that doesn't make the cut for the main channel.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop, I had been wondering about GN's work on this
Great job, Steve and crew! You did get a very reasonable and thorough conclusion. We were just expecting a different answer. Again, another fine T&E. Please continue this type of reporting.
Nice, been wondering about this every now and again. Either it was being worked on behind the scenes or, well, this. Awesome that you *do* spend the time on these sort of things though.
never knew this extra channel existed, just subscribed ;)
dedication, I likes it, continue the good work guys
Good to see this channel used more :)
I appreciate any GN content. It’s still interesting to see the results (even if it’s not the ‘exciting’ result). Love y’all’s thoroughness - and will watch any update videos. Appreciate your work
Great job all these years. Im glad you have so much integrity.
What I like about this is that you're showing the work and data behind the kickback of "could not replicate condition" that you often see from a shop (especially w/cars, OMG), which is perfect for the extras channel, IMO!
I hope this secondary channel grows, thanks for sharing!
Love the hard work you do, we all definitely appreciate it!
Thank you for taking the time to do this video, you had the right idea: all that money and work needs to be recognized, and it doesn't matter it didn't yield alert-worthy results.
cool touch on showing the handwritten data! The project was killed before it even got to the neat main channel data overlays
Have fun with this Channel and be open to posting other stuff here as well..
through this pain you might be able to create something great.
Good to see more uploads in the extras channel!
thanks for letting us know on the second channel!
It's great to see more content on this channel!
Very awesome to have quick little updates like this on longer term things in the works / lack of results / other plans for the office etc. Really interesting to see how you all work.
THX... I really like to see such content - it gives me a better grasp on all tech scenarios that worked different as predicted.
you guys do the best journalism in the tech industry, seriously. keep it up!
"I Didn't Fail" - Perfect content for a TH-cam Short.
Even no news is news when it comes to this stuff, glad to see you guys found a solution to bringing this part of content to us.
I actually found this quite interesting. In particular, I appreciate the commentary on the approach you took to testing, as well as how you recorded data and attempted to record evidence of the failure.
Sensational or not a result is a result. Thanks for all the hard work you guys put in. I like seeing videos like this that just talk about the testing done.
I completely forgot about this being a thing but do remember it now. Glad to see you put all this time though into investigating the problem.
"We'll see yo--" -- End Screen Steve, January 2nd 2022
It's actually really cool to see a behind the scenes mostly unsuccessful project. You demonstrated something, just not what you expected.
Back in the day I bought a first run modmat just because I thought it was cool, but I'm glad the money went to a team that truly has their heart in it. Like you could not pay 99% of reviewers enough to do this kinda stuff and here you are putting thousands into it and only getting a "behind the scenes" vid.
That ASUS motherboard is built with *NANOMACHINES*, that's why it won't die :)
ASUS's trying to make the mother of all motherboards, Jack. They can't fret over every cap.
They harden in response to physical trauma
Lol I'm glad I'm not the only one that immediately thought of this
Thank you for this ! Loving the content!
No result is a result! Hopefully you can recoup some costs with this video. Thanks for the update!
I didn't know you had this channel. Definitely subscribing to see what else is going on at GN.
I love the idea of putting those kinda test on here cant wait to see more!
As a customer that bought 2 Asus motherboards for my office and home rig that I assembled myself, this fills me with confidence and relief knowing that I'll have good millage out of it for years to come. Keep the good news coming 👍
Thanks for showing your results! Even when they aren't what you expected to observe.
This is def main channel content. Make a video featuring the guys who did the testing and give a recap of their methodology and their findings. Even though they didn’t blow up it’s still interesting.
Great idea doing this kind of stuff on this side channel.
I liked the video and watched to the end so you get the stats. Keep it up.
Absolutely wonderful video!
Applauded this work and hope there isn't more of this non good main channel content but look forward to it when it dose
Thank you very much for your hard work, time, and money spent on investigating this
The data gathered is still valuable! It very possibly could have been a multiple points of failure issue that most motherboards wouldn't have issues with
I'm glad you're going to be publishing stuff like these now so we can at least see the fruits of your work which is still very much valid
Thanks for all your effort GN Team! Even if the results did not pan out in this instance, we always look forward to your journalistic integrity raising the standard for information for us, the average consumers!
This has probably already been said but I think it's still super important to talk about when an issue isn't happening despite outside claims. Even if it won't get the most views I love the idea of mentioning these things, though I feel if it's only mentioned in the hardware news it could be glossed over when someone is looking for it
As others said, negative results are still valid data. Thanks for finding a way to share even the bits that are less popular and lucrative.
Sometimes you gotta know when to throw in the towel and stop giving in to the sunk cost fallacy. However it is commendable that you guys stuck with it for this long, trying to get it to fail. Even if the issue is long resolved it’s still interesting to see what went wrong in the first place and what the potential failure mechanism was.
As other people have said, a negative result is still a result, and it’s super interesting that your sample did not fail after all these months where other people’s sample failed very quickly.
Thank you for updating us on this project even though the board is still working, which is almost as interesting as if the board had failed.
(Also if one of those gosh dang bots instantly replies to this comment…)
Great job! I am probably not alone in saying that lot of the daily driver/productivity crowd keep their PCs for many years and find this info VERY useful. Unfortunately both motherboard manufactures and PC TH-camrs require a constant flow of new products and built-in-obsolesce to survive.
Also Big Kudos for testing USB!. Although people like to get over-excited about VRMs I find that onboard peripheral chips fail far far more often than anything CPU related. My old MSI board is still running but the front panel USB chip has died, the built in Ethernet has died etc...
P.S This is also why we need more PCIe slots and not just a bunch of M.2 slots....
Maybe you could do a summary once in a while on the main channel of the things that didnt work out. In any case, I'll be seeing it here!
Steve hit the nail on the head encounter a problem "damn computers are hard" is every single person's thought 🤣
But this Is a good thing to post as well as your other stuff because uploading information on when products are not good vs when they are good & when they fix an issue gives consumers a better scope on whats a good product & what they should & shouldnt buy.
I think it would be a good idea to release a semi-regular (for example, quarterly or twice a year) video about your lab updates. You could talk about what new long-term projects there are, if there are any updates on other long-term projects, show what's new in the lab, talk about testing methodology et cetera. That way it is still a decent content piece even if the testing didn't produce any sensational results. It's still a very valuable information, and I'm sure your viewers would find it a very engaging.
Wohoo more GN Extras content!
I was just watching the 2022 disappointment PC video when this popped up in my notifications. It's a surprise, but a welcome one.
Nice, glad to see the result even if negative regarding
Thanks, Steve!
There’s a running concern in academia called publication bias where only positive results are published. Releasing these tests that don’t work out instead of burying them may help reduce the general overreaction from the public whenever some random issue blows up on the internet. Perhaps people will be more patient and wait for more conclusive testing after seeing enough negative results.
This is awesome Steve, I just hope that a failure doesn't set the whole building on fire.
Thank man honestly would be nice if the manufacturers did funding for this stuff specifically
Some outlets do private / paid testing for that reason, but we just don't accept money for it because the ethical complications become difficult to navigate.
Thanks for the update, I wondered what became of that.
Long time ago my old FM2+ board was NOT actually compatible with the hyper 212 OG.
I forced it too work, and bent that Board so badly it made cracking noises and couldn't mount stand offs anymore. It was a very noticeable C shape.
It still works today. If I ever unmount it's gonna give up I'd bet.
Not every scoop bears fruit but it's good to know that you're still doing the work whether it's a big story or not.
No complaints from me, I can never get enough of GN content!
The old saying in electrical engineering is simply "5-5"
it means faulty electronics fail in either 5 minutes or 5 years with no inbetween
with experience its more like 3 days or 3 years, but that might be worth keeping in mind when testing things for failure
i think this problem is the capacitors that were factory tested exploded, the ones that were not factory tested were fine. Electrolytic caps go through a process called forming over 100 hours or so and in the process of forming the cap is polarized, this cap was simply never powered on the right way around and formed backwards
if a backwards formed capacitor has any disadvantages im not sure, i dont think anyone ever cared to try
Super interesting on the forming knowledge. Thank you!
Ditto, saw that saying applied a lot for HDDs too. Like a bathtub curve on a graph, with peaks at early/DOA or old age.
Nothing is gona be 100% with any produkt. But i love the work you do with this long turm testing 🤟 keep it going
ASUS is making the mother of all motherboards, Steve. Can't fret over every cap!
-Senator Armstrong
Your results are still results and valuable information. Just because it didn't behave as expected, its not useless information I guess. Data is data and more information about something produces more data to work on. Even though Asus resolved the issue very well, it's still interesting to see that apparently this cap being backwards didn't actually cause the issue.
Still interesting and valuable information, thanks for keeping us updated even thought it didn't behave as expected!
I could absolutely see a confirmation bias issue showing up in cases like this. By the time you've spent $1400 on motherboards and lots of time and resources testing them to try and make them explode, you _really_ want to be able to produce some content based on it. I could see less scrupulous people doing some crappy things.
Great great idea, for huge fans it's always nice for us to see what experiments and testing you are doing in the lab even though results aren't what you expect. I think you should also consider selling that hardware with a big discount in the GN Store to get some of that (investment) money back and label them as "Test/Lab Equipment" or "Used for testing" same as an open box item but of course with NO warranty from GN, that's why it should have a pretty cool discount. Personally I wouldn't mind buying "lab hardware" from you guys. You can even combine it with GN's apparel, mod mats, etc. Like "For every purchase of +$250.00 in 'Lab's hardware get a 100% Cotton TShirt for free" hahahaha.
I love the extras. Keep them comming. Are these official GN desk fans?
Publishing negative results is an amazing idea. Given the cherry picking of results has been plaguing science for a long time, I think it is tremendous you are willing to share what didn't work from your experiments even though it'll cost more effort to make those videos instead of just cutting your losses and moving on. Way to go! GN again showing to the rest of the community "how it's done".
Having no exciting result here is actually a really good thing so I like to know about it. Hey this board survived all of our testing for over a year. Pretty good stuff.
"We didn't find anything" is still a valid finding. You just _know_ it would have blown up if you hadn't looked, right? 😁 Hope the new year went well at GN HQ!
It's good to know the result of this so in the future when we choose products we can see these videos about quality, endurance, performance of a product.
thanks for the update, you have GN News if you don't want to make a video about it on the main channel!
>Ultra high-end mobo doesn't spectacularly fail. Well good!
Also shows like the 4000 series power connector that failures like this are extremely rare and not something the end user should honestly be concerned about.
the green logo is fire! i like
That explains why these boards passed initial QC despite having a capacitor installation problem.
I wonder if you would return these boards to Asus or keep them for internal use?
This is actually good findings and reassuring that the Asus Z690 board is actually pretty rock solid despite the component placement fault that some had. I wonder if it just prevents the quick USB charging? As in, it won't deliver above USB spec power current as a quick charge port should. (BTW, as Steve mentioned, Asus will still fix your board if it fails due to the flipped cap until the warranty period is up.)
I would love if stuff like this could get a small mention in a HW news once it's over as well, and then basically keep it to saying that nothing happened, and to check GN Extras for context / the full non-story.
It'd probably help out this content to give it a shout out during GN News pieces. Minor updates on these would also be good for Patreons ("It didn't blow up this week.") It'd also serve as a reminder where all the missing tables have gone.
Also protip for these long term testing projects: get a good UPS. Various long term test projects like this will end to a mains power failure.
minus the cap issue thats one damn durable board
I've built five computers around ASUS mobos in the last three years, I love 'em.
4:10 I would argue that you _did_ glue motherboards to the thermocouples, it’s just not particularly useful to think of it like that
hahaha
You also displace the universe every time you jump - perhaps not very useful, but not fundamentally incorrect.
"Nothing Big came out of this motherboard story"
Newegg: "Yeah nothing ever happened"