The F-111F is more competent in a dogfight than people think. The thing is, you have to force the enemy to slow down enough for you to put your takeoff or landing flaps out. Do that and the F-111F becomes a menace. I've tested this against F-14As, Su-27s, MiG-29s, and a few others.
Forget about being balanced Lets hope the Ra'am's engine doesn't get nerfed, just so its faster than this. It Rips like 4kph higher than this on the deck. Jokes aside, its is absolute nonsense the -229s can make an even heavier F-15 go from about 1450 on the deck to 1640 on the deck.
I don’t think the AIM9L is that great at that BR, a lot of the planes you face have insanely cold engines in terms of what the seeker sees. The F5s and MiG 21s and even MiG 23s for some reason are modeled in a way that makes it easier for them to flare missiles. What’s interesting is the opposite goes for the FRS.1s and F111s, the harrier has to cut throttle under 50% dumping flares to stand a chance against anything higher AIM9E, apparently this is due to how gaijin calculates the heat signatures.
I've found that for 1v1's, the slower this thing gets in a dogfight and the farther you put the flaps out, the better (If you can take the speed hit). Also, the wins are fine to sweep out up to ~1300km/h IAS. I tend to fly around at those kinds of speeds with the wing out once the fight really starts. Retain a surprising amount of speed when I'm managing my turn. Fantastic jet
It's still extremely heavy and a massive target unfortunately haha, so if ANYONE else shows up you're just dead. But at least with this one, if you can manage to get to that stage it has the engine power to sustain it 😭
@@GeneralLee2000 Yeah, if you get caught slow by a 3rd party, you're kinda just fucked. Usual strategy is to take about an hour of fuel and send it just under cons. Maneuver around or through the usual Phoenix/Fakour spam and bore in to get behind everyone. By the time the fight starts (Or is about to start), I am already inside their walls. Very funny to casually be rating around the entire fight at almost a Mig-21's rip speed
One small correction about the GBU-15(V)2/B, it actually has an IR seeker just like the later Maverick variants so it's able to track moving targets at farther range as well. Other than that, love the vid! Keep up the great work:D 🎉congrats on the 20k!
despite it being commonly said that agm65 G is too heavy for the triple rack ive found a declassified document saying the triple rack is compatable with agm65 F which is the same weight as the G model, additionally ive seen pictures of a triple rack with 2 G's and a D mounted
this is still pretty great cas for the 11.7 lineup if you didn't buy the av8b(na) imo 11.7 US is in a pretty great spot now with the adats, hstvl, 4 abrams to choose from and lavad+bradley if you feel like it
Ahhh, the Grumman F-111B… we definitely should get that as a premium… or even a tech tree after the F-4J. Maybe the Grumman 303 from VFAX for an event vehicle!
It took gaijin an entire update to fix the gun aim on the F111A, when this update with this F111F is when the F111A gun recticle got fixed cus the gun fired downward at an angle.
With the F111f coming out im gonna have to make another aardvark video. Loved using the A as a gun fighter, now it has a bunch of aim9ls and can climb into orbit? Huge.
this thing is really good for grinding in air sim, you can destroy 6 ground targets and bomb a base, whilst being fast enough to avoid most threats (in a good BR bracket)
This plane is currently the strongest option for absolute kill potential when it comes to CAS in top tier USA, and it currently even beats out the F-15E on the dev server, which is only able to carry one of the IR-guided munitions per wing hardpoint (2 total.)
Sure but it isn't very survivable in top tier ground especially compared to something like an F16 or 15E. Contending with SU27s and Pantsirs isn't great in the bone.
One issue with this plane is that it spawns at 600kph for an airspawn. The slower tornado spawns at 12xxkph, which makes it so that you are slower than them to the bases when using 12x 750lbs compared to the similar loadout in the tornado.
Also annoying about this thing, while I still liked to dogfight with it, is that the flaps don't want to extend until the wings are fully forward, or at least nearly completely forward. Without those flaps the F-111 does not turn very well. I think it's a similar scenario as with the F-14 where the flaps boost the turnrate, except for the F-111 you need to endure the pretty bad turn for a bit longer until the wings come forward, whereas on the F-14A you can activate those flaps (partially) even at higher wing sweep angles. Also what in the hell is that Pantsir player in the last clip.
fly it like a starfighter? a tactic I like with the f-104 is to just dash straight into the enemy team at the start of the game and make them chase you. that can take a lot of pressure off your team and also expose the rear of the enemy to my team that is coming in behind me. would the F-111F perhaps do this even better?
You have to try a dogfight while using the landing flaps. I’ve outrated many mig-23s. Unless they catch you with an hour of fuel, you can easily maintain a one circle fight.
This is great at 11.7, but my poor F-111C is still missing half its ordnance… at the same BR. I hope they move it down to 11.3, or add the extra Aim-9Ls and the outboard pylons and keep it at 11.7.
After all the flight model buffs, the 11.3 Tornadoes are actually not too bad at dogfighting. They're hard core rate-fighters with the same optimal speed as the Su-17s/22s but they hold their speed better when doing slight dodges and taking a bit more vertical angles. This means that the Tornadoes are better vs one-circle fighters and the Su-17s do better vs other rate-fighters. Pretty interesting, right? Both can also now out-rate a MiG-23 of any type if said MiG-23 is going at 500kph rather than 550-600kph, but the Tornado will do a better job of forcing the MiG to bleed too much speed.
@jojomaster7675 I imagine that guy either had an extremely high amount of fuel, bombs still equipped, or was going way too slow. The optimal rate for the Tornado is 650-800kph, so anything slower will likely result in a death if the Tornado doesn't partially extend to get some speed back.
@@jojomaster7675 Maybe they were stock too? Or they just didn't maintain a proper rate because I know the F.3 and ADV can actually rate well, but there's better rate-fighters very close to their br, so I excluded them. I have the IDS Marinefliegar, and even made a video and a clip of me out-rating a bunch of different fighters, but I also run around 35 minutes of fuel and don't full-afterburn to the engagement zones, so maybe that's the real difference.
@@kommandantkillcode I don't personally have any of the tornadoes, so can't really speak much about their performance, but I have never lost a dogfight against one and the fact that I managed to outturn one in a literal brick doesn't make me very confident in their performance. The very fact that the F3 is iirc at the same br as the F4J while having a better kit doesn't fill me with confidence about their airframe either.
The problem also is the amount of time it takes to get that fast. Genuinely trying to run away from anything other than an a10 is incredibly hard if you're not already going mach 1.4
@ nah bro I grinded it for the f15e Just a couple days ago It’s going fast but if you turn you literally fall out the sky. And with f111a i remember just speeding by people to bomb the bases, this one tho i am behind everyone for like 3 minutes before i start overtaking team members. Same with the enemies going the opposite direction. I just can’t run away if he’s 10 kms away, were both going 500-800 ish he’s gonna get me. Acceleration just isn’t as good as it was with the old one And the old one was carrying 4x3000lb bombs. I mean.
@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill The AIM9L wasn't nerfed though? IIRC the last nerf it got was the drag increse which more or less affected every missile in game. And 2 AIM9Ms would still mean 12.3 at least. Which would mean facing AIM120s, and would be more of a nerf than a buff.
@@jojomaster7675 I think they decreased the flare resistant of it cause I've heard some people say that it's less than it should be but I'm not for certain
I see in other chanels and this how the missiles of the pantsir r useless about more than 10km (yeah yeah 20km yeah), but even at 8km lose so much speed that thinks like f16 can outmanuver this misiles and throw 6 mavs like nothing, and have a really low velocity ammo and capacity than only work to defend himself with really low precition. Ist really the pantsir that op?
@GeneralLee2000 WHY THEY HATE BRITAIN????? WHY ?! WHY?! (to be clear im Russian and i just like British aviation, cause flying stuff is cool, and i started playing this game cause of the planes) SO WHY THE FUCK THEY BULLY BRITISH PLANES ; 111C now tornadoes, what next? My credit score ???
I don’t think it’s that they hate British stuff, all minor nations in game suffer in one aspect or another and while Britain isn’t technically a minor nation they are not the US or Russia so they get shit on like the rest of us.
No one crying US bias on this thing... Now watch ppl cry "muh bussian rias" when they add the Su-15 and Mig-25... Im confident they will have a much better dogfighting performance than most ppl think.
You know watching these days vids of the game learning the new stuff kinda makes me… tired. This game became a chore and the top tier stuff are too much for me. Sure like even when the first Mig-21s came I will grind but in general having to come to low tiers is actually way more fun.
Is it even physically possible for the plane to lose like half its speed in a couple of seconds without imploding?
With sufficient strenghtening... i guess, but you know, i. This game planes have 1.5 times the reallife maneuvrability
Depends on the plane and the era, in some cases the maneuverability has been nerfed because it just would be too unstable (su27) @@darkatmos8877
@@darkatmos8877 I always wonder why did Gaijin decide to make all planes much more maneuverable than they are irl
@@bish189 because of gameplay
@@bish189game would probably feel too slow is my guess.
The F-111F is more competent in a dogfight than people think. The thing is, you have to force the enemy to slow down enough for you to put your takeoff or landing flaps out. Do that and the F-111F becomes a menace. I've tested this against F-14As, Su-27s, MiG-29s, and a few others.
Have you tried it against a Gripen or M2000?
@@RT42069 It doesn't even fight those
@@dutch24 but it fights MiG-29s and Su-27s?
1400kmh to 700kmh in 8 seconds while pulling 10g's
Ground crew is in shambles
there's gonna be a giant trash bin ready at the end of the railway when he's gonna land
lore accurate F-111 ground crew
Forget about being balanced Lets hope the Ra'am's engine doesn't get nerfed, just so its faster than this. It Rips like 4kph higher than this on the deck. Jokes aside, its is absolute nonsense the -229s can make an even heavier F-15 go from about 1450 on the deck to 1640 on the deck.
gib f-15E 229-s goojin
weight doesnt effect top speed in fighters, But 6000 pounds of thrust sure will.
@@Jacksonflax
The limit is the airframe.
Having more thrust doesn't magically raise the structural limits of the airframe.
@@nercksrule The mach limit is 2.5, And they wont reach that with 220s with any stores on them. So yes, it does make it faster lol
@@Jacksonflaxit does, it increases the drag which will in turn make the jet slower.
Congrats on 20k lee!
@@emonster317 thank you very much!
I don’t think the AIM9L is that great at that BR, a lot of the planes you face have insanely cold engines in terms of what the seeker sees. The F5s and MiG 21s and even MiG 23s for some reason are modeled in a way that makes it easier for them to flare missiles. What’s interesting is the opposite goes for the FRS.1s and F111s, the harrier has to cut throttle under 50% dumping flares to stand a chance against anything higher AIM9E, apparently this is due to how gaijin calculates the heat signatures.
LOL I just unlocked this just before the video went up. Your vid will be a great help for me to spade and prepare for the grind. Thanks Lee
Me too
I've found that for 1v1's, the slower this thing gets in a dogfight and the farther you put the flaps out, the better (If you can take the speed hit). Also, the wins are fine to sweep out up to ~1300km/h IAS. I tend to fly around at those kinds of speeds with the wing out once the fight really starts. Retain a surprising amount of speed when I'm managing my turn. Fantastic jet
It's still extremely heavy and a massive target unfortunately haha, so if ANYONE else shows up you're just dead. But at least with this one, if you can manage to get to that stage it has the engine power to sustain it 😭
@@GeneralLee2000 Yeah, if you get caught slow by a 3rd party, you're kinda just fucked. Usual strategy is to take about an hour of fuel and send it just under cons. Maneuver around or through the usual Phoenix/Fakour spam and bore in to get behind everyone. By the time the fight starts (Or is about to start), I am already inside their walls. Very funny to casually be rating around the entire fight at almost a Mig-21's rip speed
Congrats on 20k!! 🎉
@@thenotlout thank you!
One small correction about the GBU-15(V)2/B, it actually has an IR seeker just like the later Maverick variants so it's able to track moving targets at farther range as well. Other than that, love the vid! Keep up the great work:D 🎉congrats on the 20k!
@@HansMartin1903 sorry, I misspoke! Thank you very much
@@GeneralLee2000 all good my man. Content quality is still very high and super enjoyable. Looking forward for more of them:D
Congrats on 20k man, deserve it. As for me, I love the Vark and im glad it was added especially this variant. Now we just wait for more hehe
Congrats for the 20k dear Lee. Keep up the good work.
@@Hunter_i86 eyyy. Thanks so much hunter!
I finally found someone that covers Air and Ground with equal value
Congrats on 20k
Congrats on the 20k!!!
despite it being commonly said that agm65 G is too heavy for the triple rack ive found a declassified document saying the triple rack is compatable with agm65 F which is the same weight as the G model, additionally ive seen pictures of a triple rack with 2 G's and a D mounted
And the Gs were at the place where waight would be the biggest problem
In a flight manual for the F-111F the only AGM-65’s on the -88 rack are 65D’s. So even if the 88 could do it doesn’t mean it’s a allowed configuration
@@Schluggernaut I understand that, however it might be an allowed configuration for other aircraft, notably the picture I have seen was on an A10
Each engine is still missing 2000kgf of thrust
I *LOVE* the F-111F! Such a ridiculously fun plane
this is still pretty great cas for the 11.7 lineup if you didn't buy the av8b(na)
imo 11.7 US is in a pretty great spot now with the adats, hstvl, 4 abrams to choose from and lavad+bradley if you feel like it
this thing is a menace in sim too, with the limited visibility you cant see it coming soon enough
Would be cool to se at some point the F-111 with AN/AWG-9 and AIM-54As, would be cool to see it being added at 12.3 as an event or premium vehicle
Ahhh, the Grumman F-111B… we definitely should get that as a premium… or even a tech tree after the F-4J. Maybe the Grumman 303 from VFAX for an event vehicle!
Congrats on 20K Lee!
🎉
It took gaijin an entire update to fix the gun aim on the F111A, when this update with this F111F is when the F111A gun recticle got fixed cus the gun fired downward at an angle.
Truly the bulwark of our society.
Gz on the 20k! Well earned :)
Thank you kindly! You love to see it 😤
With the F111f coming out im gonna have to make another aardvark video. Loved using the A as a gun fighter, now it has a bunch of aim9ls and can climb into orbit? Huge.
wait i could've sworn it was already out, am i being dumb??
this thing is really good for grinding in air sim, you can destroy 6 ground targets and bomb a base, whilst being fast enough to avoid most threats (in a good BR bracket)
This plane is currently the strongest option for absolute kill potential when it comes to CAS in top tier USA, and it currently even beats out the F-15E on the dev server, which is only able to carry one of the IR-guided munitions per wing hardpoint (2 total.)
Sure but it isn't very survivable in top tier ground especially compared to something like an F16 or 15E. Contending with SU27s and Pantsirs isn't great in the bone.
But the F-15E can do 6 mavericks and 8 paveways...
One issue with this plane is that it spawns at 600kph for an airspawn. The slower tornado spawns at 12xxkph, which makes it so that you are slower than them to the bases when using 12x 750lbs compared to the similar loadout in the tornado.
I wish they’d do this with the Tornado now (IRL it’s fast as hell on the deck).
Researched this but left it there due to the quality of it's predecessor, I think i'll give it a go now... 👏👍👌🤘✌🖖🤙🍻
Also annoying about this thing, while I still liked to dogfight with it, is that the flaps don't want to extend until the wings are fully forward, or at least nearly completely forward. Without those flaps the F-111 does not turn very well. I think it's a similar scenario as with the F-14 where the flaps boost the turnrate, except for the F-111 you need to endure the pretty bad turn for a bit longer until the wings come forward, whereas on the F-14A you can activate those flaps (partially) even at higher wing sweep angles.
Also what in the hell is that Pantsir player in the last clip.
General lee talking about how the aim9L is good, meanwhile in the background 1:35 the MAA-1 pulls to fooking Narnia so hard just to kill the ja37
that thing has harder G overload than the R73!!
It's good, just not that good lmao
fly it like a starfighter? a tactic I like with the f-104 is to just dash straight into the enemy team at the start of the game and make them chase you. that can take a lot of pressure off your team and also expose the rear of the enemy to my team that is coming in behind me. would the F-111F perhaps do this even better?
You have to try a dogfight while using the landing flaps. I’ve outrated many mig-23s. Unless they catch you with an hour of fuel, you can easily maintain a one circle fight.
Very nice content.
Thank you very much!
This is great at 11.7, but my poor F-111C is still missing half its ordnance… at the same BR. I hope they move it down to 11.3, or add the extra Aim-9Ls and the outboard pylons and keep it at 11.7.
After all the flight model buffs, the 11.3 Tornadoes are actually not too bad at dogfighting. They're hard core rate-fighters with the same optimal speed as the Su-17s/22s but they hold their speed better when doing slight dodges and taking a bit more vertical angles. This means that the Tornadoes are better vs one-circle fighters and the Su-17s do better vs other rate-fighters. Pretty interesting, right?
Both can also now out-rate a MiG-23 of any type if said MiG-23 is going at 500kph rather than 550-600kph, but the Tornado will do a better job of forcing the MiG to bleed too much speed.
Idk, seeing as I recently managed to essentially run circles around a tornado in a near stock F4EJ, I'm not quite sure about that.
@jojomaster7675 I imagine that guy either had an extremely high amount of fuel, bombs still equipped, or was going way too slow. The optimal rate for the Tornado is 650-800kph, so anything slower will likely result in a death if the Tornado doesn't partially extend to get some speed back.
@@kommandantkillcode Idk, I think it migh've actually been an F3 now that I think about it, which would mean no bombs at least.
@@jojomaster7675 Maybe they were stock too? Or they just didn't maintain a proper rate because I know the F.3 and ADV can actually rate well, but there's better rate-fighters very close to their br, so I excluded them. I have the IDS Marinefliegar, and even made a video and a clip of me out-rating a bunch of different fighters, but I also run around 35 minutes of fuel and don't full-afterburn to the engagement zones, so maybe that's the real difference.
@@kommandantkillcode I don't personally have any of the tornadoes, so can't really speak much about their performance, but I have never lost a dogfight against one and the fact that I managed to outturn one in a literal brick doesn't make me very confident in their performance.
The very fact that the F3 is iirc at the same br as the F4J while having a better kit doesn't fill me with confidence about their airframe either.
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The problem also is the amount of time it takes to get that fast.
Genuinely trying to run away from anything other than an a10 is incredibly hard if you're not already going mach 1.4
Over exaggerative
@ nah bro
I grinded it for the f15e
Just a couple days ago
It’s going fast but if you turn you literally fall out the sky.
And with f111a i remember just speeding by people to bomb the bases, this one tho i am behind everyone for like 3 minutes before i start overtaking team members.
Same with the enemies going the opposite direction. I just can’t run away if he’s 10 kms away, were both going 500-800 ish he’s gonna get me.
Acceleration just isn’t as good as it was with the old one
And the old one was carrying 4x3000lb bombs.
I mean.
drippy young lee
Until they nerf it to oblivion like they did with the first Vark ;)
One thing that I found out is that this thing is actually capable of carrying the AIM-9M.
it needs it
@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill Ah yes, totally.
You do realise the AIM9M would put it up to at least 12.7, right?
@@jojomaster7675 with how hard the AIM-9L was nerfed I'd say it could be restricted to only 2 AIM-9M to make it more balanced
@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill The AIM9L wasn't nerfed though? IIRC the last nerf it got was the drag increse which more or less affected every missile in game.
And 2 AIM9Ms would still mean 12.3 at least. Which would mean facing AIM120s, and would be more of a nerf than a buff.
@@jojomaster7675 I think they decreased the flare resistant of it cause I've heard some people say that it's less than it should be but I'm not for certain
As great as the 111F is, I think people keep forgetting that this thing is about the same size as a B-17.
When f111 is a bomber and f117 is a fighter
I see in other chanels and this how the missiles of the pantsir r useless about more than 10km (yeah yeah 20km yeah), but even at 8km lose so much speed that thinks like f16 can outmanuver this misiles and throw 6 mavs like nothing, and have a really low velocity ammo and capacity than only work to defend himself with really low precition.
Ist really the pantsir that op?
Wassup lee?
ofc the fun thing is in the line i didnt grind
F-15E is there too. If you're not doing CAS you're not missing out on much.
@@GeneralLee2000 never much of a fan of the f15 flight model, feels too Arcade-y to me. I suppose you’re right
Finnaly someone said that aim9ls at 11.0 and up are good, the one person who accaly knows what hes talkin about
Still stupid how F111C is literally the same br as F111F despite F111C Being *Objectively Worse in Every Possible way*
How do I get the p59 a
I hate how they gave brits worst version of this plane , and said , nah same br is fine have fun (suffer)
Usual! 🤣
@GeneralLee2000 WHY THEY HATE BRITAIN????? WHY ?! WHY?!
(to be clear im Russian and i just like British aviation, cause flying stuff is cool, and i started playing this game cause of the planes) SO WHY THE FUCK THEY BULLY BRITISH PLANES ; 111C now tornadoes, what next? My credit score ???
I don’t think it’s that they hate British stuff, all minor nations in game suffer in one aspect or another and while Britain isn’t technically a minor nation they are not the US or Russia so they get shit on like the rest of us.
Anyone know why the f111 f only have 4 pylons?
The Tornado for air rb sits at 11.7 not 11.3.
Just another plane that is a badass plane but has a Arsenal that I'm bugged with there is no reason why you should not be able to take out 24 jdams😅
No one crying US bias on this thing... Now watch ppl cry "muh bussian rias" when they add the Su-15 and Mig-25... Im confident they will have a much better dogfighting performance than most ppl think.
Outrun everything. . . And then something going only 50 mph wlower guns ya or you run out of flares 😂
I see you are still in to loli.
@@ShinerBockGirlz ???? Excuse me, what? Not at all.
bro what
LMAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
tornado is so overtiered compared to this thing
You know watching these days vids of the game learning the new stuff kinda makes me… tired. This game became a chore and the top tier stuff are too much for me. Sure like even when the first Mig-21s came I will grind but in general having to come to low tiers is actually way more fun.
Lee this clickbait stuff is cringe