@@goota-wt su-17 has r60 rear aspect my dude. Sure it has 6, b it they are flare hungry and their short range is pitiful. F4c has radar missiles that you can use frontally from 5 km away. F4c crybabies are pathetic
@@Vergil20000 yes. But it would be a way better Plane with sparrows. And finally wo would have something different then the f4ej kai. I think it should be included even tho it was never used. I think The Israelis are lacking that kind of plane
Gaijin doing it's finest balancing the game F-16A block 10 with only IR missiles is 12.7, fox 1 capable F-16s are 13.0, MiG-29s with the best fox 1 in the game is 12.7... make it make sense gaijin I'd love playing the F-16A in sim but I can't get to the merge when I have multiple R-27ERs launched on me
Because the MiG-29 FM is not that great overall and the R-60M is simply the worst missile in top tier. Would be fine with an uptier if the top BR gets moved up to 14.0, generally speaking the rebalance was disorganized
@@doldie570413.3 is a more balanced br for the Belgian F-16 than 13.0 for everything except facing absolute top tier. The Gripen A should've been 13.3 as well.
The plane that easily suffers the most at this new br set up has to be the J35XS. No RWR, a nerfed flight model, 12 Cm, and only rear aspect missiles. In a full uptier it faces F14 54 Spam with so few countermeasures that bringing chaff hurts you more than it helps.
My friggin brain reading this lol. I aint talking smack or anything, for some reason I saw Cm and thought of it as 12 centimeters. Stared at it for like 30 seconds and was like....oh fuhhhh that meant counter measures..... Brain wtf.
@SpriGgEx Bro everytime I finally break to buy something on sale Gaijin adds something nicer. 10 year anniversary sale. Picked up a bunch of stuff for rank 6 premiums and stuff only to see rank 7 premiums right after.
@@martinwellhoefer9159the Barak has aim 9ms with hmd .it also has the derby missile which does decent below 20km .the Barak is way better then the netz .most of ur fights in top tier are gonna be fought beyond 10km
@@PhantomDash-dg8ni True, but it's still essentially a worse counterpart to the F-16C. And then, of course, there's Baz Meshupar, which has a worse radar than the F-15C/J.
Lmao the F-4S can’t go any higher. For the best maneuverability phantom and the avionics/weaponry being very good it makes sense. (And it’s also very good for Air to Ground) In my opinion all phantoms should be moved down 0.3 BR from where they are at this update, but it’s obvious why this jet is higher.
Same with the MLU, sparrows are 7Fs are so ass man. I could have a radar lock on someone in all the right circumstances checked off, and what does my Aim 7 do? Hard turn in the opposite direction and goes straight into the ground, aim 7s straight dog water at 13.0
@@Raj-df7wf All I remenver is that its 100% capable of firing derby and amraams. The 7Fs in theory also still work but that would require a different radar.
literally my fgr2 was the first time i properly enjoyed a plane since props, until lately now i dont even want to play air rb (or wt as a whole honestly )
one thing i would recommend when using the mavericks is to actually not take the pave spike pod due to the fact that the Kurnass 2000 has a built in camera on its left wing that has significantly more zoom than the pave spike at the cost of gimble limit, which when using mavericks isnt that big of an issue due to the seeker on the maverick already having not that great gimble limits or pulling capability at close range
@@doldie5704 lol u have to learn what makes a plane gud before u insalt it. Its 12.0 with f16ish flight model, and constant downtiers because of the spam of f4s's. 4 missles is plenty and i consistanly get at least 4 kills a match with my best beieng 9, and have u played it at all ever, cause it gets a really good rwr
pretty much same situation as italian and brazilian amx, brazilian amx is at 11.3 instead of 10.7 because of better IR missiles that pull 45g instead of 30 (MAA-1 Piranha V AIM-9L) however, in the video they just launched in their official channel about brazilian amx, they say that the piranha uses IRCCM irl, but that it was not for that BR, so they had 2 options, they could put it at 11.7 and add irccm to the missiles, which would be fine (su-25t is at 11.7 with 2 R-73) or don't add the irccm to the missiles and make it remain at 10.7 (also fine) but instead they moved the AMX-A1 br to 11.3 without doing any changes to the missile, which is the absolute worst option they had.
Hey Lee, here's an idea about a new video. It seems like Gaijin broke something with the f4s/f4j version of the aim7f, and my friends confirm that. Hear me out: I am competent with radar missiles, they are my main weapon of choice, I have above 2.5 kd in all mentioned planes, but around 50% of a clear frontal aspect aim7f shots I've been taking in the phantom in a past month fail to track. I've been using sparrows as a main weapon in the f14 and they work perfectly, having about 70% kill rate, but when i take similar shots in the f4s/j, half of the sparrows fail to track right off the rail if the hot target is further than 6 km. It has a clear 2 circles of signal strength, the radar tracks in pd mode, it is 100% inside kill range, target isn't multipathing, but the sparrow flies random circles instead of going towards the target. And that doesn't happen at all when I'm launching aim7f/m from other planes. My theory is that it happens if there are multiple hot targets inside an illuminated area, but instead of sometimes targeting the wrong plane or switching between several targets (which I've seen before), the sparrow fails to track anything at all, it even fails to fly roughly at the direction of the target
One of the major issues that is, again, rearing it's ugly head is **BR compression**. There are simply too many jets with major enough differences between each other that one will always rule a BR over another. The F-16AJ with FOX1s, non-IRCCM FOX2s, and only 60 countermeasures is at the same BR as the JAS-39A with FOX1s, IRCCM FOX2s, and up to 720 countermeasures. But the JAS-39A is at the same BR as the Mirage 4000, with **8 Magic 2 IRCCM** missiles. But not to worry all of these are also at the same BR as the AV-8B+ and J8F which both have FOX2 __AND__ FOX3s. The bare *minimum* BR needs to be 14.7. Maybe even 15.0 or 15.3. And with the next update that might or might not include the Rafale, F/A-18C, Su-33, and J-15? 15.7.
When you find this, go for Belgian F-16A. You are simply in same BR who is 6*R-27ER+4*R-73 and 6*R-77 and 4*AIM-120+4*AIM-9M only with your six AIM-9M. Yep, its became even worse than how Netz was.
I understand the first Belgian f16 is in a bad spot now, but with the old max br of 13.0, when it was sitting at 12.3 it was slaughtering anything and everything
I mean obviously the Python 3 is a god's missile which is why we also saw the Netz being higher than the AJ before the BR update. We can conclude the balancing is reasonable due to the fact radar missiles keep it in check because in the highly improbable and unfortunate situation the Python gets close enough to be fired, you should go ahead and eject. Gaijin BR wisdom. I think they believe their own statcards too much.
I decided to try the F-4E today for like 3 battles, I had never played it before and I only had the stock Aim-9E missiles, I was absolutely pointless in every battle I played, no one I could beat in a dogfight ever actually turned with me and every one else just died to my teams missiles.
It's still good in sim. Stay low, stay fast, shoot pythons. Last time i played a full match i had like 38 kills 6 deaths. It has pd and its easier to sneak attack in sim
Israel is full of crazy br like the Kfir C7 being only .3 lower then the mirage 2000 which has IRCCM and radar missiles whereas the C7 has only Python 3s and is a mirage 5 or the Netz that is the same BR as the Chinese F-16 at 13.0 despite getting no radar missiles and less flares at a br where it often fights top tier with Fox 3s and IRCCM missiles
I think the crazy thing is that the Netz has NO irccm missiles just fare hungry Python 3's and its 13.0 and the "french" (belgian) f16 has aim9m in 13.0 (its 13.3 now but still crazy)
I like to think the reason they put this at 12.3 is so that when you fight f14s they turn their brains off thinking you’re a crappy phantom then you destroy them in a dogfight like the premium only American player they are.🙂
Also, didn't they take away the sparrows because it didn't use them and they said it was because they used AMRAAM/Derbys? Where are my ARHs Gaijin? Where are they? EDIT: apparently looking into it, MatAWG was the one that stated the K2K could use AIM120s, and that bit of info was incorrect.
@@GeneralLee2000 Good point I suppose, but why does the F16D get the Derbys then if Israel didn't use them? Is this an inaccuracy or is the Barak II also not used by Israel?
@@S051K a single Block 30 Barak mounted them during development at one point for pictures and possibly a flight test, we have a block 40 Barak but Gaijin just gave it anyways. The Derby is an export missile
I honestly think the kurnass 2000 is a better jet at that br. It gets a bunch of great ir missiles with a good amount of flares. With good flight performance.
I can somehow make the Kurnass 2000 work in Air RB. I have more problems with the Netz since the introduction of ARH missiles. Here and there a good game in a downtier but overall horrible atm. 6xPython 3 at 13.7 is not working for me.
Trust me that plane is fine...if u didnt know u can use ur missles as flares in a head ons and basicly u can kill them afterwards or just run, I would say that 9.7 and 10.3 is last "almost balanced" br in game,rest is dogshit especialy when u go above 11.7
@@MrBosszillaGaming i did play and grind sweds all the way to the grippen before some time,and I must say that j35d wasnt my best plane but deff it wasnt worst,I did have some decent games in it and I think I died most of the times by the guns compared to all aspect missles,actualy I would say that I crashed more times in dogfights at low speeds than taking missle up my ass, try it again and dont go in first and keep ur distance from all aspect apes
@@MrBosszillaGaming ye I did, I recently grinded sweds all the way to the grippen A before they put C later on, and j35d isnt so bad, u just need to know what to do and where not to be, u can use ur missles for head on with all aspect apes or u can just stay at around 3kms and bait them into waste, also its quite fast so u can run from some things and there is like 40% of the lobby without missles so u can just focus them...tbh I had worse time with viggen AJ version but spaded it either way
@@just-someone-randomI think it's just about learning the play style with the j35, completely different imo to be good with it, vs other jets mainly bc it's so maneuverable
Anothet tgink is that its integral aiming think is much better to launch those mavericks with thanks to it 70x times zoom, instead that targeting pod have just 10x
The one phantom that gets a sick PD radar, and they don't give it sarhs :( Fortunately the extra situational awareness it gives in sim makes this thing a menace.
It could carry radar missiles irl but they just never did. It just required the crew to take off the extra flare dispensers. All the electronics are still there and there’s even a picture of it carrying an amraam.
Before the changes in got 3 to 5 kills per game whit the kurnass 2000 but now its really hard because of the new br . Gaijin balancing department ist on something like crystal meth because a lot of planes like the wyvern at 4.3 that it shouldn’t be it’s an incredible boom and zoom fighter but people use it to bomb bases soo because the balancing department sees that the stats are ok the live it at 4.3 but wen some people are not 100% brain dead and use the wyvern as a fighter they can win a game by themselves it’s crazy but because it appends not that often the plane stays at 4.3
This should be 12.0, the fact that you have to face fox 3s with only IR missiles is ridiculous. The kfir c7 is 12.0 and has 2 less missiles, but it isnt a brick like the phantom
Im still surprised that they decided to put mig29 and f16A at 13.0, same br as f15A, Jas39 Example the japanese F16 only has aim9L and aim7F F15 and Jas39 has basically aim7m and aim9m
I gave up stick grinding the Kfir C7. Every game was the same. Get stuck going defensive against Aim-54 or roll the dice they don't hit you and watch your teammates clean up with radar guided missiles while your stuck with Aim-9D
I loved the 2000 but it doesn’t even compare to the other phantoms since you need to get close to use your pythons….it needs to be on par with the EJ Kai and get sparrows again
@@Dicatt-1 i don't think it makes sense at all, but in the end it seems to make sense for gaijin so i guess we'll have to let the kfir on a shelf and remember what it was until they realise it was a bad change
They kinda are. Gaijin doesn't "think" anything, they go by stats/metrics. The kurnass 2000 has a modern rwr, all-aspect PD radar and all-aspect 40G IR missiles. Oh and 290 countermeasures (vs 60). You should have no issue avoiding aim-7f and stick an aim-9L or python 3 to the hotter than the sun F14A engines. Again, the biggest problem at that BR for stuff like the f4j/f4s is being able to spot and dodge/notch radar missiles because their RWR is so primitive, the kurnass 2000 doesnt have that issue. Now of course the F14A should demolish it in a 1v1, but aircrafts are not balanced in a vacuum.
Just how the F-5C and the J-7E are both 11.0 even tho the J-7E can dominate everything. and then at the same time the A-5C with 2x magic-1s is at 10.3 when it can outrate anything. Nice bro
@@aquafire_yt6247 an F-5E is usually quite scary. I played the A-5C today. I was going Mach 0.98 in the rate fight, poor guy was probably going 600kmh and then a J-7E claps him from orbit. Lmao. Skill issue I guess
I will say even more - Kurnass 2k is on the same br with Mirage 2k and in the same BR's fork with grippen and mig-29g. Both are faster, has better fight performance and better missies. And gaijin thinks it's very equal. And also - F-4C against mig-23s, yes. Gaijin never played this game
at least they have R27ERs that can still cook, unlike the F-16As with 7Ms and 9L in a br where you will almost always be fighting fox 3 and irccm slingers with none of your own
warthunder needs an entire rework uptiers should be limited to 0.7 or .03 br and ground rb needs to go to 14.0 and air needs 15.0 and once you grind an entire nation the next one you should get a 20% research bonus
Back when it was 11.3 it was the best F4 ingame, better slats than the usual Agile Eagle, the flare pods could carry chaff back then, and the flight performance overall was great for a phantom, reversals and deflection shots were easy to pull out, now it is just dogshit, and the fact that the F4S is at 12.0 is laughtable, when it has more flight performance than the EJ Kai with a HMD with dogfight slats.
@@mikeyplayzwrld its more like the EJ kai nor the Kurnass deserve 12.3 being that the fking F-14 is 12,3. Maybe the EJ kai deserve the 12.3 BR cuz it has a good radar and missiles. but still has a dogshit flight performance
Gaijin is just all about the money now. That’s why the br changes are illogical. They also target specific techtrees to be meta so people grind those. Then switch to other meta planes or missiles to let people switch to those trees and grind again.
Personally i dont mind if the isreal faction suffers some. For so long ppl spammed those planes coz most often then not they were far better than the same planes with the other factions. So if a basic 0.3 br change is such a huge issue to them, i say let them suffer. At worst those players finally start playing a faction that isnt piss easy to play as.
I'm about to start just playing Ground RB and using all the top-tier jets in the nations I have ground out. getting tired of the mess that Gaijin makes out of Air Battle and the MM and maybe I might get some fun out of the game again🥴
@@pandoranbias1622 I don't know what to tell you 😭. The F-4J, F-4S and F-4J (UK) all have PD, as do the FGR etc. They have basically the same radar set. You can even go look at my F-4J video if you want.
The most insane thing its the f104asa being 12.0, while stuff like mig23ml which its better in every aspect except speed, its 11.7, or that its on par with the f4s in gaijin logic, same with the f104tas its 11.3 getting in battles against f14 in a full uptier, which for me is like 90% of the time, try to notch with the f104tas, without knowing if a missile has been sent your way, because the rwr its so fucking shit, rhat for example mig21 and mig23 are completely invisible for you, also another thing about the f104asa its that it gets aim9ls, 4 of them, when at the same br there is the tornado adv that has 4 aim9ls and 4skyflash supertemp, i constantly have 4 to 7 kills with the tornado adv because how strong it is, whenever i try ro use the f104asa its just suffering.
Netz at 13.0 with pythons , no more flares and chaff. I understand pythons 40 g missiles but they are not as good, now the French F16 A at 13.0 with more flares and Aim9 m
I think the f4c suffers the most from the new br changes. No flares, bad missiles, bad flight performance and can meet the mig 23 ml in a full uptier.
It was always a struggle bus but now its even worse 😢.
su-17 being 11.0 and the one with 18 flares being 11.3 while facing tomcats would like a word.
@@arandomfawn5289the difference is the su has okay missiles and can kinda turn, compared to the phantom c the su 17 is a beast lol
god I fucking hate playing against 23ml, I wish it never existed
@@goota-wt su-17 has r60 rear aspect my dude. Sure it has 6, b it they are flare hungry and their short range is pitiful. F4c has radar missiles that you can use frontally from 5 km away. F4c crybabies are pathetic
Most sane gaijin balancing
My second favorite plane destroyed because gaijin has lost touch with reality
Why did the remove the aim 7 from it?
@@Vergil20000 yes but unlike the f4f it could use them hypothetically didn't it?
@@rt-eden8392 Kurnass 2000 has the radar to use both the Sparrow and the AMRAAM. But Israeli Airforce never put them both on the 2000.
@@Vergil20000 yes. But it would be a way better Plane with sparrows. And finally wo would have something different then the f4ej kai. I think it should be included even tho it was never used. I think The Israelis are lacking that kind of plane
@@rt-eden8392 because the radar isnt compatible with SARH missiles
Gaijin doing it's finest balancing the game
F-16A block 10 with only IR missiles is 12.7, fox 1 capable F-16s are 13.0, MiG-29s with the best fox 1 in the game is 12.7... make it make sense gaijin
I'd love playing the F-16A in sim but I can't get to the merge when I have multiple R-27ERs launched on me
Because the MiG-29 FM is not that great overall and the R-60M is simply the worst missile in top tier. Would be fine with an uptier if the top BR gets moved up to 14.0, generally speaking the rebalance was disorganized
Well, 29 has only 2 fox 1s and flight performance is ass
what about netz and belgium f-16a, the netz being 13.0 with only pythons and the f16a being 13.3 only with 9m's
@@doldie5704It's as if they never fixed compression at all even with the addition of new BRs, their balancing department should be fired.
@@doldie570413.3 is a more balanced br for the Belgian F-16 than 13.0 for everything except facing absolute top tier. The Gripen A should've been 13.3 as well.
We love a good: "Shit flight performance and easily defeated missiles" combo 🤗
So true! Shrimply the best 😂
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The plane that easily suffers the most at this new br set up has to be the J35XS. No RWR, a nerfed flight model, 12 Cm, and only rear aspect missiles. In a full uptier it faces F14 54 Spam with so few countermeasures that bringing chaff hurts you more than it helps.
My friggin brain reading this lol. I aint talking smack or anything, for some reason I saw Cm and thought of it as 12 centimeters. Stared at it for like 30 seconds and was like....oh fuhhhh that meant counter measures..... Brain wtf.
@@Kirito_01422 you are not alone xD
everyone after the last sale getting screwed over hard time^^
@SpriGgEx Bro everytime I finally break to buy something on sale Gaijin adds something nicer. 10 year anniversary sale. Picked up a bunch of stuff for rank 6 premiums and stuff only to see rank 7 premiums right after.
Aww my premium I just bought can’t seal club anymore waaaaa waaaa 😂
I feel like gaijin did the same thing they did with the J35XS to this thing. "More missiles.... ok higher br"
netz only having python 3's suffers similarly imo
While the barak obama is the worst f 16 when it comes to dogfighting.
@@martinwellhoefer9159the Barak has aim 9ms with hmd .it also has the derby missile which does decent below 20km .the Barak is way better then the netz .most of ur fights in top tier are gonna be fought beyond 10km
@@PhantomDash-dg8ni True, but it's still essentially a worse counterpart to the F-16C. And then, of course, there's Baz Meshupar, which has a worse radar than the F-15C/J.
The fact this is 12.3 but the f4s is 12.0 makes 0 sense. Pretty insane actually
Loads of flares, internal gun and python 3s. Deffo should be higher than F4S. But yeah shouldn't be same as an F14.
Lmao the F-4S can’t go any higher. For the best maneuverability phantom and the avionics/weaponry being very good it makes sense. (And it’s also very good for Air to Ground) In my opinion all phantoms should be moved down 0.3 BR from where they are at this update, but it’s obvious why this jet is higher.
@@mikeyplayzwrld I never said f4s should go up. Kurnass should go down and be the same br as f4s.
@@mikeyplayzwrldair to ground doesn’t matter for ARB, also there’s separate BRs for GRB…
A-7D at 10.3 and F8U at 10.0 yeah...
6:23 it does have thermals, but it's actually on the maverick cam not the pod cam
F-16AJ at 13.0 with 9Ls" and 7Fs' has literally went from fun to dogshit
Same with the MLU, sparrows are 7Fs are so ass man. I could have a radar lock on someone in all the right circumstances checked off, and what does my Aim 7 do? Hard turn in the opposite direction and goes straight into the ground, aim 7s straight dog water at 13.0
I agree, the balancing from 11.0 - 12.0 feels awful.
Thanks for making this. I loved Kurnass 2000. One of my highest kds. It really does struggle on full uptier.
Kurnass 2000 had Aim-9L + Aim-7F. Then Python 3 was added and replaced the Aim-7F.
It’s because the kurnass 2000 never was able to fire fox 1s
It’s capable of it. If you don’t bring extra flares then it’s possible to carry fox-1s irl it just never did.
@@angelnunez6476 what was found was that the kurnass 2000 never had the CW illuminator for the sparrows to guide (the kurnass 2k had a new radar)
@@Raj-df7wf All I remenver is that its 100% capable of firing derby and amraams. The 7Fs in theory also still work but that would require a different radar.
literally my fgr2 was the first time i properly enjoyed a plane since props, until lately now i dont even want to play air rb (or wt as a whole honestly )
one thing i would recommend when using the mavericks is to actually not take the pave spike pod due to the fact that the Kurnass 2000 has a built in camera on its left wing that has significantly more zoom than the pave spike at the cost of gimble limit, which when using mavericks isnt that big of an issue due to the seeker on the maverick already having not that great gimble limits or pulling capability at close range
when I'm in a batshit insane balancing decisions competition and my opponent is gaijin
thats nothing imagine draken 11.3 while the j7e is 11.0 gaijn delulu
i was so sad when this thing got moved up, It was my favorite plane. But now I do have the kfir c7
kfir c.7 is even worse since you get only 4 missiles, no radar and shit rwr while facing constant full uptiers
@@doldie5704 lol u have to learn what makes a plane gud before u insalt it.
Its 12.0 with f16ish flight model, and constant downtiers because of the spam of f4s's. 4 missles is plenty and i consistanly get at least 4 kills a match with my best beieng 9, and have u played it at all ever, cause it gets a really good rwr
@@kokonut2925Is English your native language? Or is it a second?
@@underskillednunderpaid its accaly my 5th
i agree, since they swapped stuff around it makes sense at 12.0 but idk about the pd phantoms
Like the J35XS where they always face an UpT. Because it is so much fun to fly against F14A and Co. Without even a rwr. Way to go gaijin
Le Kfir Canard c'est pas mieux... Avec que 2 aim9G sans Radar et avec un RWR qui détecte même pas les lock d'un Mig23.
I did, indeed, like the video. I would like more videos, please and thank you.
P.S. your unfiltered mic sound is pretty nice in this video
Thank you! I did a little tweaking recently :)
Up to and including rank 5, BR should be based on flight performance. After that it should be based solely on weapons
Yes, sea Harrier and av 8b should be 13.7...
@@gabrielabreu5200 yes
pretty much same situation as italian and brazilian amx, brazilian amx is at 11.3 instead of 10.7 because of better IR missiles that pull 45g instead of 30 (MAA-1 Piranha V AIM-9L) however, in the video they just launched in their official channel about brazilian amx, they say that the piranha uses IRCCM irl, but that it was not for that BR, so they had 2 options, they could put it at 11.7 and add irccm to the missiles, which would be fine (su-25t is at 11.7 with 2 R-73) or don't add the irccm to the missiles and make it remain at 10.7 (also fine) but instead they moved the AMX-A1 br to 11.3 without doing any changes to the missile, which is the absolute worst option they had.
Pro tip use the internal aiming pod on the kurnass 2000 it has more zoom that served me a lot of times
dope decal
Thank you!
thank god finally somebody talks about the kurnass 2k. that thing was actually fun to play before the BR increases, now its a shitshow
'This planes sucks dookie.'
-carries.
Vautour against 9Ls. need I say more
Hey Lee, here's an idea about a new video. It seems like Gaijin broke something with the f4s/f4j version of the aim7f, and my friends confirm that.
Hear me out: I am competent with radar missiles, they are my main weapon of choice, I have above 2.5 kd in all mentioned planes, but around 50% of a clear frontal aspect aim7f shots I've been taking in the phantom in a past month fail to track.
I've been using sparrows as a main weapon in the f14 and they work perfectly, having about 70% kill rate, but when i take similar shots in the f4s/j, half of the sparrows fail to track right off the rail if the hot target is further than 6 km. It has a clear 2 circles of signal strength, the radar tracks in pd mode, it is 100% inside kill range, target isn't multipathing, but the sparrow flies random circles instead of going towards the target. And that doesn't happen at all when I'm launching aim7f/m from other planes.
My theory is that it happens if there are multiple hot targets inside an illuminated area, but instead of sometimes targeting the wrong plane or switching between several targets (which I've seen before), the sparrow fails to track anything at all, it even fails to fly roughly at the direction of the target
One of the major issues that is, again, rearing it's ugly head is **BR compression**. There are simply too many jets with major enough differences between each other that one will always rule a BR over another. The F-16AJ with FOX1s, non-IRCCM FOX2s, and only 60 countermeasures is at the same BR as the JAS-39A with FOX1s, IRCCM FOX2s, and up to 720 countermeasures. But the JAS-39A is at the same BR as the Mirage 4000, with **8 Magic 2 IRCCM** missiles. But not to worry all of these are also at the same BR as the AV-8B+ and J8F which both have FOX2 __AND__ FOX3s.
The bare *minimum* BR needs to be 14.7. Maybe even 15.0 or 15.3. And with the next update that might or might not include the Rafale, F/A-18C, Su-33, and J-15? 15.7.
Its same for quite a bit of planes ATM, many BRs need to be readjusted, same for the JH-7 for example..
Don't forget the F4EJ Kai get's the F16A's radar set.
no way, gayjin was inconsistant with their ''decompression''
When you find this, go for Belgian F-16A. You are simply in same BR who is 6*R-27ER+4*R-73 and 6*R-77 and 4*AIM-120+4*AIM-9M only with your six AIM-9M.
Yep, its became even worse than how Netz was.
Both are terrible yeah, I may try and make a video on it when I can stomach it lol
I understand the first Belgian f16 is in a bad spot now, but with the old max br of 13.0, when it was sitting at 12.3 it was slaughtering anything and everything
I mean obviously the Python 3 is a god's missile which is why we also saw the Netz being higher than the AJ before the BR update. We can conclude the balancing is reasonable due to the fact radar missiles keep it in check because in the highly improbable and unfortunate situation the Python gets close enough to be fired, you should go ahead and eject. Gaijin BR wisdom. I think they believe their own statcards too much.
ironically the F4J(UK) wasn't hit by a radar missile, but a long range IR missle xD
The General Has spoken
I decided to try the F-4E today for like 3 battles, I had never played it before and I only had the stock Aim-9E missiles, I was absolutely pointless in every battle I played, no one I could beat in a dogfight ever actually turned with me and every one else just died to my teams missiles.
After spading the Tornado F.3 [ Gaijin gave me a talisman for it], ill take anything that can maneuver at all
It's still good in sim. Stay low, stay fast, shoot pythons. Last time i played a full match i had like 38 kills 6 deaths. It has pd and its easier to sneak attack in sim
Israel is full of crazy br like the Kfir C7 being only .3 lower then the mirage 2000 which has IRCCM and radar missiles whereas the C7 has only Python 3s and is a mirage 5 or the Netz that is the same BR as the Chinese F-16 at 13.0 despite getting no radar missiles and less flares at a br where it often fights top tier with Fox 3s and IRCCM missiles
I think the crazy thing is that the Netz has NO irccm missiles just fare hungry Python 3's and its 13.0 and the "french" (belgian) f16 has aim9m in 13.0 (its 13.3 now but still crazy)
Wait till you find out the br of the gripen a
@@kitlerwt its 13.0 but the f16 has much better flight performance (i flew both of them so i know)
@@Fame_Levi hmm, id beg to differ but i jave not flown the f16 so idk
@@kitlerwt The block 10 can turn like crazy, its a gripen beater (i never lost in it against a gripen, it just outturns it)
@@kitlerwt and the f16 is REALLY fast (its def faster than the gripen)
Thank u for saying this i thought i was the only one that notice that the kurnass 2000 is way up in br
I like to think the reason they put this at 12.3 is so that when you fight f14s they turn their brains off thinking you’re a crappy phantom then you destroy them in a dogfight like the premium only American player they are.🙂
Mirage F1C*cries in pulse*
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Also, didn't they take away the sparrows because it didn't use them and they said it was because they used AMRAAM/Derbys? Where are my ARHs Gaijin? Where are they?
EDIT: apparently looking into it, MatAWG was the one that stated the K2K could use AIM120s, and that bit of info was incorrect.
It did not use use AMRAAM, Derby is not used by Israel. That was misinfo that certain other creators spread. It didn't have any radar missiles.
@@GeneralLee2000 Good point I suppose, but why does the F16D get the Derbys then if Israel didn't use them? Is this an inaccuracy or is the Barak II also not used by Israel?
@@S051K a single Block 30 Barak mounted them during development at one point for pictures and possibly a flight test, we have a block 40 Barak but Gaijin just gave it anyways. The Derby is an export missile
@@GeneralLee2000 Got it, disappointing, but par for the course at this point. Thanks for the awesome content man!
The Su-22 has the same issue. 11.3 is not where a transonic jet with only R-60Ms belong. It is NOT better than the MiG-21bis.
Both this and the Netz need to go down during the next BR changes. The Python 3 isn’t some wonder weapon gaijin, it’s just a slightly better Aim-9L…
I honestly think the kurnass 2000 is a better jet at that br. It gets a bunch of great ir missiles with a good amount of flares. With good flight performance.
To be fair the kurnass2000 is a beast in sim tho
I can somehow make the Kurnass 2000 work in Air RB. I have more problems with the Netz since the introduction of ARH missiles. Here and there a good game in a downtier but overall horrible atm. 6xPython 3 at 13.7 is not working for me.
If you want some more terrible balancing, look at the j35d going against a10 and su25
Trust me that plane is fine...if u didnt know u can use ur missles as flares in a head ons and basicly u can kill them afterwards or just run, I would say that 9.7 and 10.3 is last "almost balanced" br in game,rest is dogshit especialy when u go above 11.7
@@just-someone-random dude go try to survive an entire match in one, and tell me how many attempts it took. It’s not balanced in any way
@@MrBosszillaGaming i did play and grind sweds all the way to the grippen before some time,and I must say that j35d wasnt my best plane but deff it wasnt worst,I did have some decent games in it and I think I died most of the times by the guns compared to all aspect missles,actualy I would say that I crashed more times in dogfights at low speeds than taking missle up my ass, try it again and dont go in first and keep ur distance from all aspect apes
@@MrBosszillaGaming ye I did, I recently grinded sweds all the way to the grippen A before they put C later on, and j35d isnt so bad, u just need to know what to do and where not to be, u can use ur missles for head on with all aspect apes or u can just stay at around 3kms and bait them into waste, also its quite fast so u can run from some things and there is like 40% of the lobby without missles so u can just focus them...tbh I had worse time with viggen AJ version but spaded it either way
@@just-someone-randomI think it's just about learning the play style with the j35, completely different imo to be good with it, vs other jets mainly bc it's so maneuverable
Anothet tgink is that its integral aiming think is much better to launch those mavericks with thanks to it 70x times zoom, instead that targeting pod have just 10x
The one phantom that gets a sick PD radar, and they don't give it sarhs :(
Fortunately the extra situational awareness it gives in sim makes this thing a menace.
It could carry radar missiles irl but they just never did. It just required the crew to take off the extra flare dispensers. All the electronics are still there and there’s even a picture of it carrying an amraam.
Gaijin also think that the mig-23M and the F-104S are equal. Like for the Ariete AMV and the Leiopard 2A7
Before the changes in got 3 to 5 kills per game whit the kurnass 2000 but now its really hard because of the new br . Gaijin balancing department ist on something like crystal meth because a lot of planes like the wyvern at 4.3 that it shouldn’t be it’s an incredible boom and zoom fighter but people use it to bomb bases soo because the balancing department sees that the stats are ok the live it at 4.3 but wen some people are not 100% brain dead and use the wyvern as a fighter they can win a game by themselves it’s crazy but because it appends not that often the plane stays at 4.3
This should be 12.0, the fact that you have to face fox 3s with only IR missiles is ridiculous. The kfir c7 is 12.0 and has 2 less missiles, but it isnt a brick like the phantom
Im still surprised that they decided to put mig29 and f16A at 13.0, same br as f15A, Jas39
Example the japanese F16 only has aim9L and aim7F
F15 and Jas39 has basically aim7m and aim9m
I gave up stick grinding the Kfir C7. Every game was the same. Get stuck going defensive against Aim-54 or roll the dice they don't hit you and watch your teammates clean up with radar guided missiles while your stuck with Aim-9D
I loved the 2000 but it doesn’t even compare to the other phantoms since you need to get close to use your pythons….it needs to be on par with the EJ Kai and get sparrows again
I used to be a Israel main and during the grind with the kfircanard, YOU ALWAYS GET UPTIERED WITH F14’s, and F-4S…
The kfir is a shadow of what it once was. Always faces f14, has its brother with pythons only a br step above
@@Urssaff how does it even make sense that it faces f14s OR EVEN F4S
@@Dicatt-1 i don't think it makes sense at all, but in the end it seems to make sense for gaijin so i guess we'll have to let the kfir on a shelf and remember what it was until they realise it was a bad change
it's not like if f4j/s had 2 times the ir for the kfir + 4 sparrows + a hell of a lot of countermeasures 😭
They kinda are. Gaijin doesn't "think" anything, they go by stats/metrics. The kurnass 2000 has a modern rwr, all-aspect PD radar and all-aspect 40G IR missiles. Oh and 290 countermeasures (vs 60). You should have no issue avoiding aim-7f and stick an aim-9L or python 3 to the hotter than the sun F14A engines. Again, the biggest problem at that BR for stuff like the f4j/f4s is being able to spot and dodge/notch radar missiles because their RWR is so primitive, the kurnass 2000 doesnt have that issue. Now of course the F14A should demolish it in a 1v1, but aircrafts are not balanced in a vacuum.
Just how the F-5C and the J-7E are both 11.0 even tho the J-7E can dominate everything. and then at the same time the A-5C with 2x magic-1s is at 10.3 when it can outrate anything. Nice bro
The A5C is way too good 2 free kills bombs, 18 countermeasures I think and it’s really fast
@@aquafire_yt6247 an F-5E is usually quite scary. I played the A-5C today. I was going Mach 0.98 in the rate fight, poor guy was probably going 600kmh and then a J-7E claps him from orbit. Lmao. Skill issue I guess
@@ABoredDemon yeah the f5E at 11.0 is criminal. Should be 11.3/11.7
@@aquafire_yt6247 the criminal part about it is that the F-5C is the same BR even if the F-5E has AIM-9Js, stronger engines and a radar
@@ABoredDemon yeah I „suffer“ myself trough the ranks :). Still get atleast 10k rp each game. Got a 27k rp game today.
I will say even more - Kurnass 2k is on the same br with Mirage 2k and in the same BR's fork with grippen and mig-29g. Both are faster, has better fight performance and better missies. And gaijin thinks it's very equal. And also - F-4C against mig-23s, yes. Gaijin never played this game
That’s how I feel with the SU-27s at 13.3 with no fox 3s itself.
at least they have R27ERs that can still cook, unlike the F-16As with 7Ms and 9L in a br where you will almost always be fighting fox 3 and irccm slingers with none of your own
@@frumpsterfire oof, thanks for warning me
warthunder needs an entire rework uptiers should be limited to 0.7 or .03 br and ground rb needs to go to 14.0 and air needs 15.0 and once you grind an entire nation the next one you should get a 20% research bonus
lmao the Netz is even worse, that shit made me literally punch my monitor LOL
Yea same with the F-4EJ-Kia and that doesn’t get the leading wing slats
I’d like to see you re review the mig 23 MF in any tree. R23R viability in radar meta
Did you ever believe Gaijin cares about a healthy balance in their games?
No one is concerning about AV-8B+ with AIM-120 at 13BR when u can encounter him at BR12+? :D
Kurnass 2k was my favorite plane. but now its just dead. gaijin has no clue about balance, sadly
Lee? Can we get a Meteor Mk8 vid? it's an amazing defensive flyer and you can handle really anything you run into with ease :D
Back when it was 11.3 it was the best F4 ingame, better slats than the usual Agile Eagle, the flare pods could carry chaff back then, and the flight performance overall was great for a phantom, reversals and deflection shots were easy to pull out, now it is just dogshit, and the fact that the F4S is at 12.0 is laughtable, when it has more flight performance than the EJ Kai with a HMD with dogfight slats.
It’s crazy to me that you guys think the F4S deserves more than 12.0 right now. Are you ok?
@@mikeyplayzwrld its more like the EJ kai nor the Kurnass deserve 12.3 being that the fking F-14 is 12,3. Maybe the EJ kai deserve the 12.3 BR cuz it has a good radar and missiles. but still has a dogshit flight performance
What use is good mobility without a gun and why does an hmd matter without missiles to go with it?
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It was 11.7 in the old BR's as was the F-14A idk what you're talking about
hes talking about they6 balanced all planes above 10.3 and still they thing theyre equal
It was 11.3 in the old br lol
Gaijin is just all about the money now. That’s why the br changes are illogical. They also target specific techtrees to be meta so people grind those. Then switch to other meta planes or missiles to let people switch to those trees and grind again.
The reason its at 12.3 is because it has laser guided bombs. Same reason why the tech tree tornados are at 11.7 and the event/ premium are at 11.3.
how does laser guided bombs matter in arb?
@LeKevien ask the snail.
About a year late on this vid…
Kurnass has Python 3's I think that is why it is 12.3 else if it shouldnt then why is F4EJ Kai at the same br?
I have this nice decal on my Leopard 2a7v now🎉😅
US mains still defend F-14 being so low br
If they didn’t gimp the F-14s from the start we wouldn’t be in this situation. Give us the accurate F-14s and they can go up to 13.0 (A) and 13.3 (B)
Personally i dont mind if the isreal faction suffers some. For so long ppl spammed those planes coz most often then not they were far better than the same planes with the other factions. So if a basic 0.3 br change is such a huge issue to them, i say let them suffer. At worst those players finally start playing a faction that isnt piss easy to play as.
Good for air to ground , show maverick miss lmao
F4C and F-105 suffers bad new be decreasing ASAP
F-14A being in 12.3 is an absolute joke.
You should play it in sim battles
should I get the pookie lee decal?
Could u make an f5c video with the new br?
I'm about to start just playing Ground RB and using all the top-tier jets in the nations I have ground out. getting tired of the mess that Gaijin makes out of Air Battle and the MM and maybe I might get some fun out of the game again🥴
Gaijin thinks the F-4J (no PD radar btw) should be at 12.0
What? It has PD?
@@GeneralLee2000 It's at 12.0 with only a SRC radar... and it's fighting Tomcats and Fulcrums
@@pandoranbias1622 the F-4J has PD bro, you gotta switch into it
@@GeneralLee2000 I keep going through my radar modes and it isn't there.
@@pandoranbias1622 I don't know what to tell you 😭. The F-4J, F-4S and F-4J (UK) all have PD, as do the FGR etc. They have basically the same radar set. You can even go look at my F-4J video if you want.
The simple answer is get rid of the fking radar missiles, they destroy all the fun in the game, especially the fox 3’s
for standoff Air 2 ground the F4E is still better xD, especially considering it's 3!!! BR steps below
Now look on jh-7A it is even worse and also 12.3
The most insane thing its the f104asa being 12.0, while stuff like mig23ml which its better in every aspect except speed, its 11.7, or that its on par with the f4s in gaijin logic, same with the f104tas its 11.3 getting in battles against f14 in a full uptier, which for me is like 90% of the time, try to notch with the f104tas, without knowing if a missile has been sent your way, because the rwr its so fucking shit, rhat for example mig21 and mig23 are completely invisible for you, also another thing about the f104asa its that it gets aim9ls, 4 of them, when at the same br there is the tornado adv that has 4 aim9ls and 4skyflash supertemp, i constantly have 4 to 7 kills with the tornado adv because how strong it is, whenever i try ro use the f104asa its just suffering.
What about f16a being at the same br (13.0) as the jas39a
You think that’s ok look at the f16a at the same br as the f14b
Netz at 13.0 with pythons , no more flares and chaff. I understand pythons 40 g missiles but they are not as good, now the French F16 A at 13.0 with more flares and Aim9 m
Hey can you show your graphics settings?