Might be cool to follow this up with something about the systems that a lot of people really liked, but were removed from the game for various reasons.
@@PelleLolWut count me too on that like. I believe it was because blizzard was about to add demon hunters in legion, where they gain movement speed by mastery and the reforging was 40%. my dh have 13,5 increased movement speed with just 167 ilvl, let alone when max it. Imaging the items that doesn't have mastery reforge the highest secondary stat to mastery.
@@PelleLolWut 100% reforging. "we removed it because we wanted to allow players to equip upgrades straight away without having to go to the city to reforge or enchant it" :(((( they shouldnt have done that
Crazy how they never listen to players, and yet, dare complain that player never like anything. We literally keep telling Dev what to do, and they keep not doing it, so fuck blizz.
@@indeed2207they should not listen to you lol thats not their job. They should however take the feedback. It would be a shit storm if players just always decided the game.
@@deeepdish I’m sorry but that is a laughably bad take. Look at other studios like Larian or GGG and how they listen to their communities and their games are better for it! I’m not saying there aren’t bad actors within communities, but devs shouldn’t have a “our way or the highway” mentality, you’re gonna push potential customers away or make veteran players leave (which many have). No studio is perfect, but there should be dialogue!
@@patrickjin6610 I agree. Corruptions were SUPER fun to do massive damage and risk the deaths, but realllly bad for the game as the randomness (and deaths lol) is not good for play/progression
@@treymadison4592 On one hand 450k dps and tier 3 orbital strikes and KAPOW! BLAM! SPLAT! Things falling over dead at your feet... and BZZZAPPP NYOOOOOM PSSHHH and firing giant laser beams. On the other hand? My savage Orc Fury Warrior in his bad-ass mog, dual-wielding his 2 bad-ass GIANT axes... and his literal rotation was Charge... and by the time I'd appear at the enemy I was targeting, not only they would be dead, but everything within 10 yards too... by a random Orbital Strike... And then, the _pièce de résistance._ The _cherry on top_ of it all? My fucking magical girl lovu-lovu-beamu. Stood in the middle of a pack of enemies... firing a fucking laser beam from his necklace. I'm not an RPer, so things like that normally don't bug me... but you've gotta laugh haven't you? But... I can't deny it didn't feel damn good at the time. Sure, being hardcore it made it a mundane grind of levelling up your cloak and staying on top of BiS essences and corruption rolls, but, if you look at anyone else remotely more casual, they're getting random items that blow shit up at the end of an expansion where it's like "fuck it... we might as well go nuts before the next expansion comes and strips us of our power, again." It's not what I want from WoW, put it that way... but, if it gets to that stage in Shadowlands and starts mimicking BfA where I lost interest from the start all the way up until the Mechagon patch, I'll be well glad for something _like_ (but not) corruptions.
I will say in terms of weapon skills, it was a fun RPG element of your character learning how to use the new weapon type in their hands. The lack of skill up items and the +5 skills on Humans / Orcs definitely made it "Play these races or you are SoL as a warrior"
I liked the weapon skills too! It makes sense that if you've spent 4 adventures with a sword, you'll be way better with a sword than a battleaxe. ...It needed some rework, admittedly, to prevent long AFK auto-attack farming
More or less. Almost all of BFA's main systems were... flawed. (hell one were flawed due to the other being REALLY flawed) I personally found island expeditions really fun... And I liked the CONCEPT of the warfronts... (even if they REALLY needed to be balanced to be more interesting and be a PvP option) But yeah, every system in BFA had so, so many flaws.
But like he said, rather than being about exploring the island expedition was less about exploring and more about mass mob pulls which got old fast. I love to explore the game so islands were a let down because my group always yelled at me for wandering off.
@@ZombieSlayerTakashi WoD is nothing like BFA. The issue people had with WoD wasn't about systems it was mainly because of lack of content and the content besides raiding that you could do revolved around garrisons. BFA had multiple new systems and ideas and non of them worked out well it's completely different
pretty much when BFA launched i just had no drive to even start the expac. maybe i burnt myself out in legion but when when i would re sub thinking maybe if i play it might sweep into wanting to play but nope nothing. i'm back now and it's'fun i missed this game and i do feel a lot of regret for missing content when it was current.
What’s so frustrating to me is so many of these systems (especially pvp/mission tables) have real potential with some fleshing out and balancing, but they just release some barebones version and then say “Oh well, they don’t like it” and drop them completely 😂
I remember a blue post about legion legendaries, devs were expecting that it would take a year to loot all your legendaries, that was the problem right there
@@HukarusHuko I swear that when I played Frostfire Mage in the middle of Wrath it had been determined that Ice Lance was a net DPS loss even against Frozen enemies.
You forgot one of the biggest complaints with Azerite armour, having to pay to change the traits when switching specs. I have no idea why they did it that way, tier set pieces managed to swap bonuses between specs so I don't see how they couldn't have done the same here. It became less of an issue as the expansion went on and you had more gear but it was still really annoying.
Why would it be free? That's exactly the king of crap that made wow so bad and casual. Before, you had to loot two different set, and that's how it should always be.
Azerite armor and Azerite Essences both would have been great features. The only issue with them, is that they were designed by donkeys and were completely distanced from their potential.
I feel like azerite armors wouldnt be too bad if they designed it with the same level of complexity and diversity as the legion artifacts. Essence is fine, just need better balancing and be shared ACCOUNT WIDE!
Andres Viteri It really isn’t that hard to extrapolate what they thought the problem was, and thus the solution, from the comment. The Azerite traits were all boring for the most part and didn’t add all that much to the gameplay. They had the potential to be a lot better and more fun and game changing, but they weren’t. Solution is: shoulda made em cooler. There you go, happy to help.
And that where designed to cover up the broken mess that where base casses(which artifacts where aswell, the base classes are increbdly terrible which is still remaisn in sl's but bit lesser extent). Blizz just keeps designign 1expac onyl systems to throw away by end of it to fix their classes, isnetad of fixing the classes.
BfA is proof that good content can be ruined by bad systems. Some of the all-time best raids are stuck in an xpac that will be seen in a negative light thanks to its many terrible systems.
I don't even need to watch more than the first 0:03 seconds to know that Titan Forging is gonna be in here and Azerite is gonna be in here. Bruh BFA had such horrible systems.
Kind of a shame, I liked the idea of Azerite. I just didn't like the concept of artifact power in general. Didn't like it in Legion, don't like it now. It's just a lazy way to time-gate progression. I liked the lore-stuff they did with Azerite, that was pretty cool. But, that's a story element, not a game feature.
Titanforging was introduced in 2012 tho, not a bfa system. And people only hated on corruptions or azerite armor because they never got lucky. I got all my BiS shit pretty early in each tier (even my Getikku sword from +15) so i was kinda happy most of the expansion. Being one of the strongest damage classes as a warrior was great aswell. Specially in cleave fights, azerite armor gave you such a huge boost with 3 x Cold Steel Hot Blood. I enjoyed bfa and i play wow since 2005
@@capitaldcolon1795 I'm going to have to disagree with you on azerite. Essentially, since all the rings are randomly assigned each time, you'd have to reroll so many times that you're never going to get the actually optimal selection on every item unless you're very lucky. Now, WoW has always been luck based, but in the past there were lots of ways to get BiS gear quickly without relying on RNG. Even in Classic you can just grind money and buy some great gear. This loot system was terrible and I'm glad they realized it.
@@Nerobyrne What do you mean? The same item ALWAYS had the same Traits. They werent randomly assigned. WDYM? If you got the Shoulders from 2nd Boss Eternal Palace, the traits were ALWAYS the same. Same goes for the "Titan Residiuum" pieces. If you got "The Wardens Chestpiece" - it always had the same traits.
I enjoyed the pvp stat templates it allowed me to play multiple classes really easy on a relatively even playing field. I imagine if the stat templates didn’t exist in legion it would be like it is right now.
I absolutely hated master looter, especially since my main is a shammy. When you're in a raid where half the DPS are hunters, you tended tend to get screwed over because "everything" mail related was hunter gear. Except the spellcasting stuff and even then some them swiped it. That's not including the guilds that had the complicated systems to determine who got what. So yes, I love personal loot.
Same reason I don’t play Borderlands 1,2 and PreSequel online. Having to fight over gear is dumb and annoying and I can’t even imagine how annoying it was back in the day for WoW where you can spend 2-5 hours on a raid and not get anything just because of bad luck and having upgrades swiped by greedy players who don’t even need it
@@BullFrogFace it wasn't annoying at all in first wow expansion. you were in a team, a guild, much like a friend group, not a group of random solo players, which is what made me hate raids in wow. You had to work all week for the guild, to help the other member, and most of guild were really serious about that, kicking instantly the players that were fucking around. If you wanted to play as a solo player, you won't enter a guild, that's not where you belong. You were gaining "fame" in the guild, and that how things were most of the time offered. You work well, you get rewards if you participate in big events like raids. Obviously, main healers and tanks were first for every loots, because they are the most importants. But then, most of the time, it was about how much you worked for the guild. Except main grinding guild that were fighting for world first, others guild were kinda chill and friendly, everyone had their chances, you just needed to help others. Main guild were obviously giving gear to the class that were doing most damages, to further boost their damages. Other were giving gears to good players, so they would help the guild more, and spread the word that the guild was cool.
I mean, it's the worst expansion in WoW history. WoD gets shit but the reality behind it sucking is it had practically no new content after launch. BfA had a lot of content which consistently managed to suck, a garbage storyline, AND pruned, shitty class design. It is and always will be a joke and the devs should be ashamed it exists.
@@nachochicken4636 I hate it so much because of the things I just mentioned above lol. The aesthetic/general thematics were not my favorite either. It especially disappointed me because they hyped it up so much and Legion was such a strong expac (yes even despite legiondaries). I genuinely think the only thing you could validly argue about BfA is decent raiding content, but WoW has never had a completely shitty raid in my opinion besides the super short ones and Dragon Soul. With all these negatives said, SL has been good so far!
@@legacy_moments thing is, WoD had potential to be an absolute blast of an expansion, especially since it was a follow-up to MoP and would get the people back who were pissed off about the pandas. And wasted potential is the worst kind of bad, not to mention the content that was there wasn’t very good outside of leveling and raids.
@@nachochicken4636 BfA top 4 exp for mee to. I dont known how people can not put WoD as worst expansion ever mayby because it was long time ago so the dont remember it. If BfA was to change spot in time with WoD so WoD was recent exp people will give it 1/100 rating it was that bad but they dont remember because of how much time left since that.
You want an idea? Cover the mechanics and history of Dire Beast. I've been suggesting it since WoD because it has unique mechanics where it summons a random pet from a unique pool of three dependent on which zone you're in.
In BfA I played a lot of solo on my enhancement shaman. Having the trait Resonant Shield, which gave me an overshield every 30s on as many Azerite gearpieces as possible was often the difference between killing that elite or not.
I still keep in the bank my azerite armor along with Mists of Pandaria and other expansions equipments, legendaries and trinkets to use during Timewalking. Raiding with BiS Timewalking gear is amazing. I almost always get top at dps or healing meters - and by a substantial margin.
Hey Hiru, I enjoy your content. I was thinking an interesting series for you to do would be a history of the lore of each dungeon in the game. A neat way to do it would be to feature a run though of the dungeon, while explaining why each boss is there and the lore behind them. I'm sure there are alot of folks who don't know why you need to defeat the defias brotherhood, or why they have an ogre working with them? Why do we fight all those Dark Iron dwarves when they are part of the alliance? What is the deal with the Occulus? I know you touch on some of these questions in different videos, but it would be fun to know why each boss is in a dungeon, not just the end bosses.
I remember back in WotLK everyone bought the dalaran white quality weapons because they had amaizing attack speed, and equip them and go kill trass mob for ages to level the weapon skills. Other mechanic I was glad it is gone is when you had to go to your class trainer to buy the new skills and level the ones you already had. On another note, My main cannot, to this day, fly in AU Draenor. I never got to do it. (I would have to check it maybe it was unlocked by default recently or something).
i hate how legendary weapons became an "epic gear" it was so fun in wlk when you randomly meet that guy with a valanyr and tought "wooow i never have seen one so cool", in other words it was awesome when legendary gear was legendary.
same way with epic gear, these days it's considered starting level gear i remember when i got my first blue gear in wow, it was amazing, now, if you can't get an epic it's trash
Depends. Show me a warrior in Classic who still wears blue items in BWL. Or Show me a TBC mage who wears blue items in tempest keep. At some point, if youre not a total casual, only epics are an upgrade. And thats pretty early on aswell. Always. Did you guys even play wow back then or do you just repeat what others are saying? About the whole legendary thing: Yeah, you said it. They were extremely rare and almost no one had them. Which is also not the right way. I dont like EVERYONE having one either, but i prefer everyone way more instead of having the guild officer take the first one because he's an officer, if i had a choice.
@@vikkran401 Bosses dropped the same amount of loot than they did back then - and considering my endless grind for SGC i dont think they buffed any drop rates. Your comment is just a good example of rose tainted glasses. No, the drop chances werent buffed and people back then frequently saw thunderfury tanks or shamans with Sulfuras in capitol cities. The game wasnt some magical dimension, it was pretty much the same as classic today except for the meta knowledge and 1.12 talents. The rest is the same.
in my opinion, the best part about the legiondarys was the way you obtained them. Everything you did felt like it was was worth it just because you increased your bad luck protection. Run a raid, dont get any loot, doesnt matter, because you will probably get a legendary soon for doing that. The system would have been perfect if you were able to disenchant 1 to 2 in order to craft the one you want.
I agree. Getting a Token would have been great. The way it was, i got my BiS legendary as the very first drop one the first dungeon i ran. My guildmate got the worst one and had to sit on the Bench on progress, just because he couldn't keep up with the dmg of my legendary. He than got a BiS legendary on an alt and stopped playing his main, cause he was so frustrated. Turning in a Token would have eliminated that. I mean everyone would have ran around with the same legendarys, but getting the shield neck as DPS while others get +25% more dmg was bad and frustrating
I'm still upset that they removed the effects on the legion legendary's. For example the gun for the hunter that was supposed to give you a cool pet. I got a hunter to level 10 as quick as possible just to get that item for the pet just to see that the effects are inactive
That’s slightly different, you’re talking about your Artifact’s special ability. I do wish we got those back, but legion legendaries are still usable if you do Timewalking.
I remember people always hyping shit features on yt videos before next xpac. I saw ppl hyping legion legos and I knew "this is gonna turn out terrible", I saw bfa islands, the amount of hype from people usually talking game is broken was immense and I knew "dis be a shit, mon". So if you see something being hyped in popular yt vids its gonna be the same.
What about the absolutely awful PvP ranking system of Vanilla? Anyway, I agree with many things on the list, but when it comes to bad BFA features, there's no way Islands are worse than Warfronts.
@@gishathosaurus6828 Yeah, weapon skill imo is a fun flavor thing during leveling up, even if it's pointless at max level. The only truly BS thing about it is when you get a weapon skill by a talent, and every time you retalent, you have to grind the 300 levels again.
@@Rivexd Yep, I believe enhancement shamans for example learned some weapon skills by talent. And when they cleared their talent points, the skill level for that weapon was also erased, even if they picked the same talent afterwards. Edit: I actually looked it up now, and it worked like this until near the end of vanilla. So if you play Classic today, since it's v1.12, it's not the case anymore.
Island Expeditions were nice after 8.1 when tokens were used for something. Saying they abandoned them isn't correct either, as they added new NPC vendors near the end of the expac with lootboxes you could purchase to get random loot from the expeditions, including the sought after mounts. So they gave people an incentive to grind them.
Oh, one of my favorite azerite traits was for BM hunter where using aspect of the wild gave a massive amount of mastery stat, which was just completely fair
It's primarily the reputation grind. Fortunately it's already confirmed Shadowlands pathfinder won't have this, but it was having to mindlessly grind out dailies for several weeks to get rep well after you completed the storyline of that patch is what made it suck.
IMO BC and WotLK had the best iteration of flight, where you had to pay a somewhat expensive fee at max level to fly. BUT, there were actual perks to flying. Places you couldn't reach and quests/reps you couldn't access without flying (think the Netherstorm and Ulduar dungeons/raid, as well as the Netherwing and Skettis content), entire zones that could hardly work without flying (Storm Peaks and Icecrown). The usual complaint that flying makes certain parts of the game too easy and convenient makes sense, yes, but that argument is very much mitigated when flying is actually integrated into the game experience, rather than being there just for convenience's sake, as it's been after LK. Pathfinder is a bit of a lazy compromise, IMO. It is as if Blizz were saying "we're too lazy to design content tailored for flight, but since you folks still want to be able to fly and do stuff, here's some time-gating for ya. Enjoy your grinds!"
The initial idea is great, but they should really tone down some of the rep-related requirements. I'm all for mechanisms that subtly coerce players into enjoying more content, but the Pathfinder thing got out of hand. Completing the storylines and doing a couple of rep quests is perfect if you ask me, but having to collect junk in Mechagon and kill mobs in Nazjatar was really cumbersome.
I actually think a version of stat templates with more customization is a good idea. Such as in games like guild wars 2 where you choose which stats template you want to use and other customizable pieces. And Lost ark let’s you put a set amount of points into what stats you wanna max out. I think these are way more competitive ideas but at least making pvp gearing easier or having a low disparity of gear has worked fine in DF.
I actually like pathfinder it's a nice compromise between people who doesn't like flying mounts and people who can't live without them. I personally like the adventure sense and interactions with people that not being able to fly bring to the table... but that eventually wears off, so it's nice to being able to fly for convinience when you have "exhausted" the zones. That being said I still don't understand why flying is not unlocked for everyone in a given expansion after the next one have droped.
I love spec fantasy that weapons give, sad that my BM gun can be used by some stupid MM hunters that are out one shotting people with lightning, not weapon for snipe shooting!
How can there be a pug LFR? Don't you just queue up for LFR and get in a raid with random people? I know puging has similar thing, but for pugs, you need to form a raid group, invite people in to actually do the raid. Am I missing something here or am I thinking correctly?
That was the biggest problem, though. You felt encouraged to play PvP because you got a leg up over people that play PvP as their main focus. The people that actually primarily wanted to play PvP got *discouraged* from playing because they were forced to slog through a bunch of PvE content they never liked... While you got a free pass because you were already doing that anyways. (And presumably enjoyed it, which is fine.) Previously when there was resil or pvp power, *everyone* started on ground 0 and had to work their way up for every new character. The only way to get better at PvP was to... Play PvP. The PvE players that felt "discouraged" by that system weren't really, because *everyone* had to go through the same thing, including PvP players. It was just they didn't want to put in the work to get better that everyone else had to do. (Not necessarily speaking about you specifically.) I don't see how anyone can call it fair that players that apparently didn't even really like the PvP aspect of the game got priority and special catering over the people that actually did like it and play it. Imagine if you were forced to do lots of PvP content to be competent in PvE... Sounds unfair, right? So why was it fair the other way around?
I remember back in Legion, I got my BiS legendary very early on (earlier than most people even HAD a legendary) and was so far ahead of my guild in DPS that it was just absurd. I would be top in the charts by 10-20% in mythic Emerald Nightmare. As awesome as it was to dominate everyone, I always laughed and felt so bad cause I literally just won the dice roll and got to destroy everyone. Very stupid
Thank u for talking about this so evenly. Obvi there’s stuff 99% of people hate but most of even the worst things were sorta “meh” for most people and just seriously hated by some groups
LFR isn't just useful for casuals too, as a hardcore raider I also enjoyed tagging in LFR just to practice a fight or simply play the raid for fun without any pressure, just applying your rotation without thinking too much about strat.
My most embarrassing WOW moment came with weapon skills. I was generally a Moonkin Druid, but one day I decided to try tanking.. Did LFG and got a group. Went into the dungeon and pulled the first mob and saw ' your weapon skill has increased to .1' or something like that. The DPS were pulling aggro all over the place because I wasn't hitting with any of my attacks...
Whenever I wanted to level up a new weapon skill as Alliance in Wotlk, I would take a quick trip to Theramore. Those lvl 1 training dummies were a godsend to leveling WS, especially since my roleplaying warrior was a weapons master and that of course meant i needed max level with all weapon types.
Man I'm so happy to hear someone agree with me on LFR. I literally hate raiding because I hate having to voice chat with people and I don't really give a shit about progression. But I've always wanted to actually experience end game content in a watered-down form at least just to see it and maybe get some raid pieces, without having to fight for a raiding spot and with the expectation that I have to show up at a certain time twice a week. I found, after playing the first LFR back in Cata, that I quite enjoyed LFR if only just to make that my "personal roof" on itemization and to do this type of content whenever I feel like it. I know pugs exist, but fuck that - I also never understood or agreed with the arguments against LFR
The arguments against LFR are kind of out-dated or gate keeping. Like it did have some big problems on release, but they fixed the problems by removing tier set bonuses from lfr and delaying the hell out of its released in comparison to regular content. And the other argument is just a Gate Keeping one, where they feel you shouldnt experience the raid unless its on its hardest difficulty.
the scaling cost of reforging azurite and then having to fill your bags with a ton of random azurite pieces you'd probably never use was also extremely annoying. It would also occasionally setup greedy situations where people would have azurite pieces they could trade b/c they already had them but would then keep them just to not have to pay 40k gold to respec them on top of having a specific place they have to go to respec them. Also at the very beginning of the expansion azurite gear wasn't even tradeable.
Video Idea : Top 10 most underrated features in wow. If you ask me, Highmaul Coliseum from wod is 1 of the most underrated. A free for all mode with 10-15 players and the winner gets some cool rewards, and a feat of strength achievement and title Lord of War. You dont really see players having it that often which also makes it a bit unique.
I really hate open world mobs scaling with item level. In any RPG you should get better at fighting with better gear, not have a "balanced" experience.
@@bisalissy3846 Mobs scale to your level until you hit level cap where they start scaling to your item level. I know the item level scaling was most noticeable in BfA
"Complete all quests of the expansion in order to get Fly which would help you to get all the quests in the expansion." That back then was the ultimate mind-f*** for me. Did got my all game Loremaster in the last days of BfA, but bruh... what the f***
Tbh titanforging was not bad It was just People never able to be sated and getting so obsessed with "bUt It CoUlD bE BeTtEr" to such an extent that they stopped enjoying the game
Im a World 200 raider. Currently at 7/10 mythic in Nathria. I didnt give a shit about titanforging in bfa. If i got a titanforge, nice. But i didnt try hard for it. And most of my guildies thought the same way. Nobodies going to spam +15 keys to get a 455 titanforging with a socket. You either got it, or you dont. So i dont know where these players are that youre talking about. Who would go crazy about a 445 item, just because it didnt titanforge into 455? I dont know players like this and i would say that i play on a high level.
Anyone else pause the video or like freak out when he went "Uh" at 2:53? I'm so used to the perfection of his videos that it just threw me for a loop when it happened
I loved Legion leggos because I was able to collect all of them for all specs as casual player without having guild or tryharding any kind of content (I had almost all for Holy/Ret Paladin because of essence exchange system and many priest/dh ones)
It was nice to be able to earn them from lots of sources so it wasn't gating the best stuff behind only the most elite content, yeah. Problem was the totally random aspect of it. Being able to target the specific abilities like we can in Shadowlands means you have to do certain content for certain powers, which isn't perfect, but targetable rewards are always better than super RNG hoops you have to jump through and just might wind up with moderately defensive legendary powers or niche PvP-themed capabilities when there's one out there that makes a huge difference in your DPS.
I'm totally with you on LFR, I'm a casual player and I'm pretty antisocial also, hate raiding. I think a lot of wow players just repeat what their favorite streamers say, so if those top elite players say they hate LFR, a lot of their followers will just jump on the bandwagon. I just don't see how having it hurts them in anyway so why is it such a big deal? They can still do their normal and heroic.
This is a good defense of it, problem is they've been slowly diluting or entirely excising any meaningful roleplay aspects of stuff over time. In practice, weapon skill felt like you had to level up to max level twice.
Legiondaries: didn't get my bis ones until somewhere in the middle of Nighthold, at which point I had about 5 of the... many that there were. Beyond that I got everything that was available before the release of ToS. The day they released the 2 additional legendaries somewhere during the broken shore patch, I got both. By the end of Legion I had enough legendaries on my main (and virtually only) character to fill the legendary selection of 3 other characters. I had somewhere around 175 days /played for the duration of legion.
Personal loot was a good change. You missed the ball there. 99 percent of the playerbase shouldn't suffer because the less than 1 percent first world raiders have to buy tokens that their sponsors foot the bill for anyways.
Personal Loot wouldn't be as bad as it is, if you could at least trade all the items you get with those eligible to have looted it as well. I dont know how many of my guild got items they don't need but are BiS for others but can't trade them because they lack 1 itemlvl on that slot. It's just stupid.
Honestly personal loot has screwed my guild over more times than i can count *gets an item he doesnt need* "do you need that?" "Nah man you can take" "sorry cant trade" 5 ilvl upgrade for the guy who got it vs 35 for the one who wanted it
I think Hiru mirepresented the issue. Its not "world first guild" problem. Its any serious guild problem. Not being able to trade item to your buddy, even tho its not good for you, but gr8 for him feels super bad. And the reason they removed master loot doesnt exist in good, organised guilds. I cant tell you how many trinkets/rings etc. that my friends wanted badly I had to DE/sell in BfA.
I absolutely hated corruptions back then. I hated how my characters could get corruption long before they'd even be at the right item level to be able to get the cloak without being stomped on by the quest mobs, I hated the ugly purple shit corruption levels added to my character and ruining all those carefully-made transmog sets. I hated having to grind up that stupid cloak on every alt in order to even be able to equip the corrupted items without N'Zoth splurging his purple jizz all over my character.
I loved BFA during the alpha. I went hard into it. The moment Azerite was introduced, though, it just gave me artifact power flashbacks and I immediately stopped. I was not gonna do that grind again. I ended up achieving a higher character level in the alpha than in BFA by the time Shadowlands came out.
8:48 the solution to this pay2win issue is to simply remove or modify BoE items: 1. Can still have drops off random trash in raids, but just make them bind on pickup and/or set up so they are treated like raid loot, only tradable to someone in the raid group for up to 2 hours (only if you have something equal or higher in the slot). That or : 2. No BoEs drop until mythic is cleared.. BoEs are unlocked worldwide for all players once someone achieves world first. Either one of these will eliminate the majority of investment in the Pay2Win to get world first and allow guilds that don't have hundreds of millions of gold to spend to have a shot at achieving world first.
There are some features that were not only not bad, but awesome imo. - Pathfinder (for curent expantion, not past ones) for it forces all them nimcunpoons to realise there is content all over the new expantion. You just have to explore the map, do some questing in every zone and do dungeons, gues what, yoiu are playing the game you payed. - Personal loot + armorstack = win for all. If the gear you get is an improvement, great it is yours. If it is not, sell it in group. If on top of this, you armorstack, wow, even an altoholic like me is becoming pro at gearing his alts.
They was upset because the idea had so much promise but they squandered it. It was so boring I gave up halfway through farming the Horde Plate set for my warrior which I really wanted. Island Expeditions were wastes too. A dozen or so Islands that actually encouraged exploration with hidden areas and secrets would have been amazing. But, no..... just mindlessly farm pulling and clearing trash mobs as fast as possible.
@@clintmcbride7830 Yeah warfronts as were first anounced soounded like would be av/winetrgrasp/ashran stye battles/zones with best of each and inspiration of wc3 (i wish they did more wiht you can control a special Unit in warfronts liek in darkshore the Mech suit, abomination or Banshee) And islands its stupid dint even alow exploration AFTER they where done.
Every time I switch guilds I love personal loot. Every time I stay in a guild to become a full roster member - I hate the personal loot. Maybe a cooldown for a new member for X number of boss kills - personal loot and after that allow master loot would be ideal.
The biggest problem with Azerite armor as somebody who dropped BFA early on was, as a Ret main my best Azerite trait was a trait that increased Avenging Wrath duration. Like this trait was so good it was worth sacrificing like 20-30 ilvls just to have a piece with this trait because early on Ret was pretty much only a usable spec in Avenging Wrath. Massive problem being that the helmet version with this trait only dropped from the final boss of Freehold and trying to get this helmet with a decent ilvl on it was probably one of the worst experiences of my life since when you completed a m+ dungeon you'd have a CHANCE to even get a piece of gear then not only that it was of EVERY piece of gear that dropped from that dungeon and BFA added a TON of gear to the game, I think Freehold dropped like 15-20 items or something for Ret in a 4 boss dungeon. Then from the weekly chest it would grab a piece from EVERY dungeon in the game that dropped. There was also a massive issue with weapon acquisition in BFA, I remember Horde got the first weapon world quest and people actually rerolled from Alliance to Horde just for this weapon. Early BFA was an absolute joke of an expansion if you cared even a tiny bit about gear hearing all these lies Blizzard was spewing about how Azerite is going to replace tier sets and Legiondaries and the Artifact Weapon trees themselves passives and gold traits and then 99% of the traits in the game were passive traits that had a chance to do X damage or a chance to increase X secondary stat. There was also the GCD change that put everything on a GCD and dear god I'm sure you remember but if you actually played Legion on a character then tried levelling that character through BFA you actively and noticeably got weaker every time you dinged, it was an absolute joke. Then on top of all of this BfA introduced an even more extreme version of ilvl mob scaling in the open world so mobs would scale as you got higher ilvl. Even on fully geared Shadowlands characters BfA mobs aren't that much weaker than Shadowlands mobs despite being 10 levels lower, that's how crazy the BfA ilvl scaling is. So in summary you were lied to about gear, your class was clunky and always on GCD, most classes were doing like 60-70% of their total damage as auto white hits, your character got actively weaker as you leveled up and even if you managed to get gear you never actually felt it because everything still had the same time to kill.
PvP template let my play with all my alts, so I had a reason to lvl up a bunch of characters. With PvP vendor introduced back, I feel powerless with a new alt and I dont feel the need to play with that char anymore. Grinding a full set of pvp gear isnt worth the time for multiple of characters. So I need to play a bunch of games which I dont enjoy vs a pvp template where is can enjoy the game initially
So Personal Loot is one of the worst things ever added to the game...because it slows down people's world first runs? That's a pretty silly reason to say it's bad Hiru, especially since that's only 1% of the player base.
It creates the only real instance of pay to win in the game. That is kind of a problem, even if I personally kind of like it. As a healer I always got passed over on loot because its more important to give it to the dps, so now I dont have to wait for all the dps to get geared before I can start taking upgrades.
Being FORCED into Personal loto as ONLY option affects wya mroe then 1% of players , ti effects any guild/gorup that wanst to frreely trade gear and go for who its best upgrade for and not be pure rng. Not just world first, if want to trade loot you dont need wiht your friends? to bad cant. Its a small upgrade for you but a huge upgrae for fiend? to abd cant give ti. Oh its lwoer ivll then what have btu a different weapon type(say sword vs a staff) to bad aso cant trade it. Personal loot itself isnt bad, Being Forced as the ONLY option is the bad thing. Certainly with how terrible the trading system is. and even fi wher eno trade resrictions its stil just slwoer and more work/cumbersone then what sued to be able to do with ML.(which in fact the alrreayd ahd perfect system for with 80% guild group required)
Me too. I just don't care about the game enough to bother with proper raiding guilds and the stuff they put you through. I'm an LFR scrub, call me part of the cancer that's killimg the game, idk. I'm just glad LFR exists for the more casual players.
I really miss weapon skills. Since it has a very high RPG feel to it. It was too important and therefore imbalanced, but it felt way more as an investment to get into a new weapon. Imho a good system
Player housing, i still don't get why blizzard doesn't introduce it to the game it would be a great way to farm old content, also more cosmetics/glyphs abilities, that is also a well loved thing in the game
@@imadeyoureadthis1 Preach. Melee SV Hunter is the #1 answer. Replaced a fun, widely-popular, and effective spec. Consistently useless tier after tier. One of the very least played specs in the game for 5 years straight. Literally the only spec in the game predicated on taking away part of the base class instead of building on the base class. Explicitly aimed at people other than those currently playing Hunters. It's the biggest class design debacle ever. At least back in Classic they had "lack of experience" as an excuse for some of the shit they put out.
@@DisastrousIntentionally "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot." Only to clueless non-Hunters who thought they were all the same because "hurr ranged weapon". We don't declare that Arms is literally Fury with Colossus Smash because both of those specs have some thematic overlap. So try to refrain from declaring similarly stupid nonsense about Hunters. Survival was significantly different from Marksmanship in both theme and gameplay. "Blizzard failed for years to give that spec a genuine identity that felt different from the other Hunter specs." See above. There was no failure. That's revisionist history to dishonestly try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival was not only fine, it was a successful spec that appealed to a lot of people and provided a nice alternative to the other Hunter specs. This is why it wasn't being frantically changed all the time like the current melee SV; it kept the same basic identity and gameplay for 4 expansions. That would simply not have been the case if Blizzard was desperately trying to find an identity like morons on the online discussions like to portray it. If you want to see a Hunter spec without a genuine identity, look to the current melee Survival which is a clumsy combination of several different identities because Blizzard has no clue what they're doing with the spec anymore and are largely just playing damage control due to the disasterous initial melee rework. "It was only ever popular when numbers put it above the other two specs, anytime that wasn't the case it was barely played. Played more than modern survival probably but still barely played. " It was actually routinely a popular spec even when it wasn't the best, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just clueless and unaware rather than outright lying. In Siege of Orgrimmar the spec was actually below BM yet still saw more play. But just look to Blackrock Foundry. That was a tier where SV was more significantly behind BM. In the last 2 weeks of that tier, Survival got 7.6k parses to BM's 42.2k. A lot less, for sure, but still more than nothing. Now look to the current tier, Castle Nathria. Survival has about 500 parses for the ENTIRE TIER so far. That's less than BM gets on average per DAY and they do more or less the same damage. Using play rates and representation as an argument against ranged Survival is so hilariously hypocritical and out of touch it's not funny. Actually, it kind of is funny that people can be this delusional. P.S. In Highmaul, just before Blackrock Foundry, Survival was literally the most played spec in the entire game by a massive margin. And that wasn't the first time. So you can kindly cut the bullshit about it being "barely played", thank you. The only tier where ranged SV was barely played, since it was recognisably ranged Survival with Explosive Shot, that is, was Hellfire Citadel in patch 6.2, and that was primarily because they mysteriously flat out removed a core mechanic that made the spec work, making it struggle to compete with tanks for damage. I wonder why they would do that just a month before announcing it would be replaced with a melee spec... hmmmmmm.... "Let's not pretend Survival was some amazing spec before the changes, it was always the spec that had no real identity outside of PvP." I'm not the one pretending here. You're the one making shit up as you go along to desperately try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival had a great identity as the utilitarian that used exotic munitions and tools to gain an edge in the fight. This was distinct to both BM and MM and meaningfully and sensibly built off the base class. Survival right now nonsensically tries to build an identity by taking AWAY the most core part of the base class. It's the only spec in the entire game that tries to build off a weakness, and as such most people want nothing to do with it because it essentially defeats the entire purpose of being a Hunter. Blizzard also can't decide what to do with it so it has 3 different identities competing for prominence in the baseline toolkit; the stock-standard melee Skirmisher like a Warrior (Raptor Strike, Carve), the utilitarian toolkit that would better fit ranged Survival anyway (Wildfire Bomb, Serpent Sting), and the BM Hunter ripoffs (Kill Command, Coordinated Assault). Speaking of which... "At least modern Survival tries to be it's own spec, Blizzard just needs to put some genuine time into it." Oh, really? Because last I checked they literally rebuilt the spec from the ground up twice and what they arrived on was a spec that leans heavily on the identity of Beast Mastery to the point where it straight up copies BM abilities with some adjustments. They at least bothered to rename Bestial Wrath to Coordinated Assault when they copied it over, unlike Kill Command. Oh, and they straight up stole Spirit Bond and made it the mastery; you know, the iconic part of BM that was there from the literal beginning. I don't recall ranged Survival copying Aimed Shot, Chimera Shot, and Careful Aim over; it had its own toolkit yet the fact that they both used a ranged weapon was enough for you to declare "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot". So are you going to admit to being totally full of shit or what?
@@DisastrousIntentionally I'm not the one who thinks the Hunter specs were the same because they both used bows. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that was routinely one of the game's more popular specs, and even at times the most popular in the entire the game, was "barely played" unless it was overpowered. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that sees less parses in a month than another Hunter spec sees in a single day is an improvement. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that rips off half the toolkit from another spec is one that is forging its own identity. You're the one that's delusional, and I have no doubt in my mind that you do not and have not played a Hunter and you're in fact talking out your ass.
Something Titanforging was also responsible for (imo) is the extreme inflation in item level and stat numbers. In Legion alone item levels increased from ~600 to over 1,000.
This video just shows how much Blizzard overthinks things, and how much they are trying to push the game as things that it isn't and will never be, such as eSports. Most of these systems are just convoluted mess that have nothing to do with a straight up RPG title. At least weapon skill makes sense from an RPG perspective.
One thing I wish they'd bring BACK are bonus rolls. At least when that was a thing there was still a chance that you could get some kind of loot; now you don't even have the opportunity to be disappointed twice...
Personal loot is a significant improvement for 99% of the player and the other 1% it's restricting would ristrict themselves anyways how is this a bad change
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Might be cool to follow this up with something about the systems that a lot of people really liked, but were removed from the game for various reasons.
Number one on that lists gotta be pave badges given how much people demand them rn
Reforging for me. Never understood why it was not added back in after hit and expertise got removed.
Resilience rating :(
@@PelleLolWut count me too on that like. I believe it was because blizzard was about to add demon hunters in legion, where they gain movement speed by mastery and the reforging was 40%. my dh have 13,5 increased movement speed with just 167 ilvl, let alone when max it. Imaging the items that doesn't have mastery reforge the highest secondary stat to mastery.
@@PelleLolWut 100% reforging. "we removed it because we wanted to allow players to equip upgrades straight away without having to go to the city to reforge or enchant it" :(((( they shouldnt have done that
"They eventually just removed it in the next expansion and tried something else people didn't like." This is the most wow dev sentence.
Crazy how they never listen to players, and yet, dare complain that player never like anything. We literally keep telling Dev what to do, and they keep not doing it, so fuck blizz.
@@indeed2207 Yeah, and your ideas are even shittier than Blizzard's 99% of the time.
Amen, brother.
@@indeed2207they should not listen to you lol thats not their job. They should however take the feedback. It would be a shit storm if players just always decided the game.
@@deeepdish I’m sorry but that is a laughably bad take. Look at other studios like Larian or GGG and how they listen to their communities and their games are better for it! I’m not saying there aren’t bad actors within communities, but devs shouldn’t have a “our way or the highway” mentality, you’re gonna push potential customers away or make veteran players leave (which many have). No studio is perfect, but there should be dialogue!
"Another BFA feature" hmmm im seeing a pattern here.
I hated all BFA systems, corruptions were fine but still pretty bad
Bfa tried alot and failed
@@patrickjin6610 corruptions were fine? lol it was the worst part of bfa
@@patrickjin6610 I agree. Corruptions were SUPER fun to do massive damage and risk the deaths, but realllly bad for the game as the randomness (and deaths lol) is not good for play/progression
@@treymadison4592 On one hand 450k dps and tier 3 orbital strikes and KAPOW! BLAM! SPLAT! Things falling over dead at your feet... and BZZZAPPP NYOOOOOM PSSHHH and firing giant laser beams.
On the other hand?
My savage Orc Fury Warrior in his bad-ass mog, dual-wielding his 2 bad-ass GIANT axes... and his literal rotation was Charge... and by the time I'd appear at the enemy I was targeting, not only they would be dead, but everything within 10 yards too... by a random Orbital Strike... And then, the _pièce de résistance._ The _cherry on top_ of it all?
My fucking magical girl lovu-lovu-beamu. Stood in the middle of a pack of enemies... firing a fucking laser beam from his necklace.
I'm not an RPer, so things like that normally don't bug me... but you've gotta laugh haven't you?
But... I can't deny it didn't feel damn good at the time. Sure, being hardcore it made it a mundane grind of levelling up your cloak and staying on top of BiS essences and corruption rolls, but, if you look at anyone else remotely more casual, they're getting random items that blow shit up at the end of an expansion where it's like "fuck it... we might as well go nuts before the next expansion comes and strips us of our power, again."
It's not what I want from WoW, put it that way... but, if it gets to that stage in Shadowlands and starts mimicking BfA where I lost interest from the start all the way up until the Mechagon patch, I'll be well glad for something _like_ (but not) corruptions.
I will say in terms of weapon skills, it was a fun RPG element of your character learning how to use the new weapon type in their hands. The lack of skill up items and the +5 skills on Humans / Orcs definitely made it "Play these races or you are SoL as a warrior"
I liked the weapon skills too! It makes sense that if you've spent 4 adventures with a sword, you'll be way better with a sword than a battleaxe.
...It needed some rework, admittedly, to prevent long AFK auto-attack farming
@@saphironkindris its not realistic for a trained warrior to pick up an axe and literally being unable to hit anything with it lol
@@soleo2783 Yeah, As I said, it needed some reworks.
TL;DR
Why BFA Sucked: The Video.
More or less.
Almost all of BFA's main systems were... flawed. (hell one were flawed due to the other being REALLY flawed)
I personally found island expeditions really fun...
And I liked the CONCEPT of the warfronts... (even if they REALLY needed to be balanced to be more interesting and be a PvP option)
But yeah, every system in BFA had so, so many flaws.
But like he said, rather than being about exploring the island expedition was less about exploring and more about mass mob pulls which got old fast. I love to explore the game so islands were a let down because my group always yelled at me for wandering off.
BFA and WoD mainly.
@@ZombieSlayerTakashi WoD is nothing like BFA. The issue people had with WoD wasn't about systems it was mainly because of lack of content and the content besides raiding that you could do revolved around garrisons. BFA had multiple new systems and ideas and non of them worked out well it's completely different
pretty much when BFA launched i just had no drive to even start the expac. maybe i burnt myself out in legion but when when i would re sub thinking maybe if i play it might sweep into wanting to play but nope nothing. i'm back now and it's'fun i missed this game and i do feel a lot of regret for missing content when it was current.
What’s so frustrating to me is so many of these systems (especially pvp/mission tables) have real potential with some fleshing out and balancing, but they just release some barebones version and then say “Oh well, they don’t like it” and drop them completely 😂
I remember a blue post about legion legendaries, devs were expecting that it would take a year to loot all your legendaries, that was the problem right there
4:51 The ''Arcane Mage only needing Arcane Blast'' joke never gets old.
New idea: top 10 things to know when starting WoW!
1-10 dont start
Have you ever done a "spells that did the least dmg in wow's history?"
Original Lacerate at number 1!
Warriors rend in classic
Whole Frost Mage's rotaion at the release of Shadowlands LOL
@@HukarusHuko don't forget Fury, survival, Demonology, Havoc and assasination oh and last but not least frost dk
@@HukarusHuko I swear that when I played Frostfire Mage in the middle of Wrath it had been determined that Ice Lance was a net DPS loss even against Frozen enemies.
You forgot one of the biggest complaints with Azerite armour, having to pay to change the traits when switching specs. I have no idea why they did it that way, tier set pieces managed to swap bonuses between specs so I don't see how they couldn't have done the same here. It became less of an issue as the expansion went on and you had more gear but it was still really annoying.
Why would it be free? That's exactly the king of crap that made wow so bad and casual.
Before, you had to loot two different set, and that's how it should always be.
Azerite armor and Azerite Essences both would have been great features. The only issue with them, is that they were designed by donkeys and were completely distanced from their potential.
I feel like azerite armors wouldnt be too bad if they designed it with the same level of complexity and diversity as the legion artifacts. Essence is fine, just need better balancing and be shared ACCOUNT WIDE!
So... I dont see you explaining the problem or giving a solution.
Andres Viteri It really isn’t that hard to extrapolate what they thought the problem was, and thus the solution, from the comment. The Azerite traits were all boring for the most part and didn’t add all that much to the gameplay. They had the potential to be a lot better and more fun and game changing, but they weren’t. Solution is: shoulda made em cooler. There you go, happy to help.
This is the case with everything in BFA. It all had amazing potential but it was designed in the most boring and streamlined way possible.
And that where designed to cover up the broken mess that where base casses(which artifacts where aswell, the base classes are increbdly terrible which is still remaisn in sl's but bit lesser extent).
Blizz just keeps designign 1expac onyl systems to throw away by end of it to fix their classes, isnetad of fixing the classes.
BfA is proof that good content can be ruined by bad systems. Some of the all-time best raids are stuck in an xpac that will be seen in a negative light thanks to its many terrible systems.
Battle of Dazar Alor was definitely the best raid they'd had for a few expansions.
Yet i'd take BFA anyday over SL.
Why? I loved BfA
I don't even need to watch more than the first 0:03 seconds to know that Titan Forging is gonna be in here and Azerite is gonna be in here. Bruh BFA had such horrible systems.
Ayo i was Right lol
Kind of a shame, I liked the idea of Azerite.
I just didn't like the concept of artifact power in general. Didn't like it in Legion, don't like it now.
It's just a lazy way to time-gate progression. I liked the lore-stuff they did with Azerite, that was pretty cool. But, that's a story element, not a game feature.
Titanforging was introduced in 2012 tho, not a bfa system. And people only hated on corruptions or azerite armor because they never got lucky.
I got all my BiS shit pretty early in each tier (even my Getikku sword from +15) so i was kinda happy most of the expansion.
Being one of the strongest damage classes as a warrior was great aswell. Specially in cleave fights, azerite armor gave you such a huge boost with 3 x Cold Steel Hot Blood. I enjoyed bfa and i play wow since 2005
@@capitaldcolon1795 I'm going to have to disagree with you on azerite.
Essentially, since all the rings are randomly assigned each time, you'd have to reroll so many times that you're never going to get the actually optimal selection on every item unless you're very lucky. Now, WoW has always been luck based, but in the past there were lots of ways to get BiS gear quickly without relying on RNG.
Even in Classic you can just grind money and buy some great gear.
This loot system was terrible and I'm glad they realized it.
@@Nerobyrne What do you mean? The same item ALWAYS had the same Traits. They werent randomly assigned. WDYM?
If you got the Shoulders from 2nd Boss Eternal Palace, the traits were ALWAYS the same. Same goes for the "Titan Residiuum" pieces. If you got "The Wardens Chestpiece" - it always had the same traits.
I enjoyed the pvp stat templates it allowed me to play multiple classes really easy on a relatively even playing field. I imagine if the stat templates didn’t exist in legion it would be like it is right now.
How about a series of videos ranking an exp's dungeons from worst to best? This way you get to talk about the best dungeon in the game tol dagor
please tell me this is sarcasm you sick bastard lol!
Hirumaredx, do you remember the video in which you "analyze" random people's comment in WoW Forums. Lol. That's my favourite video of your making.
Or Sanguine Depths, the Tol Dagor of Shadowlands.
god, getting a piece of azerite armor that didn't have the meta traits you needed was the worst
I absolutely hated master looter, especially since my main is a shammy. When you're in a raid where half the DPS are hunters, you tended tend to get screwed over because "everything" mail related was hunter gear. Except the spellcasting stuff and even then some them swiped it.
That's not including the guilds that had the complicated systems to determine who got what. So yes, I love personal loot.
Same reason I don’t play Borderlands 1,2 and PreSequel online. Having to fight over gear is dumb and annoying and I can’t even imagine how annoying it was back in the day for WoW where you can spend 2-5 hours on a raid and not get anything just because of bad luck and having upgrades swiped by greedy players who don’t even need it
@@BullFrogFace it wasn't annoying at all in first wow expansion. you were in a team, a guild, much like a friend group, not a group of random solo players, which is what made me hate raids in wow. You had to work all week for the guild, to help the other member, and most of guild were really serious about that, kicking instantly the players that were fucking around. If you wanted to play as a solo player, you won't enter a guild, that's not where you belong. You were gaining "fame" in the guild, and that how things were most of the time offered. You work well, you get rewards if you participate in big events like raids. Obviously, main healers and tanks were first for every loots, because they are the most importants. But then, most of the time, it was about how much you worked for the guild. Except main grinding guild that were fighting for world first, others guild were kinda chill and friendly, everyone had their chances, you just needed to help others. Main guild were obviously giving gear to the class that were doing most damages, to further boost their damages. Other were giving gears to good players, so they would help the guild more, and spread the word that the guild was cool.
tldr: entire BFA expansion
I mean, it's the worst expansion in WoW history. WoD gets shit but the reality behind it sucking is it had practically no new content after launch. BfA had a lot of content which consistently managed to suck, a garbage storyline, AND pruned, shitty class design. It is and always will be a joke and the devs should be ashamed it exists.
BFA was one of my favorites and ive been playing since WOTLK. I dont know why people hate it so much
@@nachochicken4636 I hate it so much because of the things I just mentioned above lol. The aesthetic/general thematics were not my favorite either. It especially disappointed me because they hyped it up so much and Legion was such a strong expac (yes even despite legiondaries). I genuinely think the only thing you could validly argue about BfA is decent raiding content, but WoW has never had a completely shitty raid in my opinion besides the super short ones and Dragon Soul.
With all these negatives said, SL has been good so far!
@@legacy_moments thing is, WoD had potential to be an absolute blast of an expansion, especially since it was a follow-up to MoP and would get the people back who were pissed off about the pandas. And wasted potential is the worst kind of bad, not to mention the content that was there wasn’t very good outside of leveling and raids.
@@nachochicken4636 BfA top 4 exp for mee to. I dont known how people can not put WoD as worst expansion ever mayby because it was long time ago so the dont remember it. If BfA was to change spot in time with WoD so WoD was recent exp people will give it 1/100 rating it was that bad but they dont remember because of how much time left since that.
Covenants in Shadowlands. They locked core class abilities to covenants then wondered why players didn’t just choose “whatever covenant they fancied”.
leveling in shadowlands and replacing azerite gear was the best feeling
@Nolan Booblackie no u
They didn't replace it, it was just plain removed
until you get to the covenant bullshit
@@IRedpunk Wdym?
@@akira7752 borrowed powers, forcing to choose between being competitive or cosmetics.
Same shit with a different coat of paint
You want an idea? Cover the mechanics and history of Dire Beast. I've been suggesting it since WoD because it has unique mechanics where it summons a random pet from a unique pool of three dependent on which zone you're in.
In BfA I played a lot of solo on my enhancement shaman. Having the trait Resonant Shield, which gave me an overshield every 30s on as many Azerite gearpieces as possible was often the difference between killing that elite or not.
Weapon Skills was fine for the era back then, when people liked the RPG-ness of it.
Same. Just madly inconvenient if you didn’t keep up on it
amen, I loved it back then. It gave a feel of progression when you saw your weapon skill level with you.
still stupid it reset for stuff like shaman specing out of enhancement.
oh i'm wearing a 2h axe for the first time guys gimme 30 min gotta skill my weapon
Yet another instance of people slapping the "RPG" label on any shitty grind system to make it seem positive. RPG doesn't just mean "tedium", you know.
Everyone: "WFronts are too easy"
Me: "healers arent healing Maiev"
Everybody:why the F*ck did we lose?
Literally never happened
@@joshholden9391 Iv had groups that were in fact dumb enough to not even attempt to protect Maiev, so it did happen on occasion.
I still keep in the bank my azerite armor along with Mists of Pandaria and other expansions equipments, legendaries and trinkets to use during Timewalking.
Raiding with BiS Timewalking gear is amazing. I almost always get top at dps or healing meters - and by a substantial margin.
Hey Hiru, I enjoy your content. I was thinking an interesting series for you to do would be a history of the lore of each dungeon in the game. A neat way to do it would be to feature a run though of the dungeon, while explaining why each boss is there and the lore behind them. I'm sure there are alot of folks who don't know why you need to defeat the defias brotherhood, or why they have an ogre working with them? Why do we fight all those Dark Iron dwarves when they are part of the alliance? What is the deal with the Occulus? I know you touch on some of these questions in different videos, but it would be fun to know why each boss is in a dungeon, not just the end bosses.
I love the lore from TBC - CATA
I remember back in WotLK everyone bought the dalaran white quality weapons because they had amaizing attack speed, and equip them and go kill trass mob for ages to level the weapon skills.
Other mechanic I was glad it is gone is when you had to go to your class trainer to buy the new skills and level the ones you already had.
On another note, My main cannot, to this day, fly in AU Draenor. I never got to do it. (I would have to check it maybe it was unlocked by default recently or something).
i hate how legendary weapons became an "epic gear" it was so fun in wlk when you randomly meet that guy with a valanyr and tought "wooow i never have seen one so cool", in other words it was awesome when legendary gear was legendary.
Thank you!
same way with epic gear, these days it's considered starting level gear
i remember when i got my first blue gear in wow, it was amazing, now, if you can't get an epic it's trash
Depends. Show me a warrior in Classic who still wears blue items in BWL.
Or Show me a TBC mage who wears blue items in tempest keep.
At some point, if youre not a total casual, only epics are an upgrade. And thats pretty early on aswell. Always.
Did you guys even play wow back then or do you just repeat what others are saying?
About the whole legendary thing:
Yeah, you said it. They were extremely rare and almost no one had them. Which is also not the right way.
I dont like EVERYONE having one either, but i prefer everyone way more instead of having the guild officer take the first one because he's an officer, if i had a choice.
@@vikkran401 and that's how e-peen became a thing
@@vikkran401 Bosses dropped the same amount of loot than they did back then - and considering my endless grind for SGC i dont think they buffed any drop rates.
Your comment is just a good example of rose tainted glasses. No, the drop chances werent buffed and people back then frequently saw thunderfury tanks or shamans with Sulfuras in capitol cities.
The game wasnt some magical dimension, it was pretty much the same as classic today except for the meta knowledge and 1.12 talents. The rest is the same.
in my opinion, the best part about the legiondarys was the way you obtained them. Everything you did felt like it was was worth it just because you increased your bad luck protection. Run a raid, dont get any loot, doesnt matter, because you will probably get a legendary soon for doing that. The system would have been perfect if you were able to disenchant 1 to 2 in order to craft the one you want.
I agree. Getting a Token would have been great. The way it was, i got my BiS legendary as the very first drop one the first dungeon i ran. My guildmate got the worst one and had to sit on the Bench on progress, just because he couldn't keep up with the dmg of my legendary.
He than got a BiS legendary on an alt and stopped playing his main, cause he was so frustrated.
Turning in a Token would have eliminated that. I mean everyone would have ran around with the same legendarys, but getting the shield neck as DPS while others get +25% more dmg was bad and frustrating
Far better than weeks in Torghast
I'm still upset that they removed the effects on the legion legendary's. For example the gun for the hunter that was supposed to give you a cool pet. I got a hunter to level 10 as quick as possible just to get that item for the pet just to see that the effects are inactive
That’s slightly different, you’re talking about your Artifact’s special ability. I do wish we got those back, but legion legendaries are still usable if you do Timewalking.
@@estrellanarvaez-reynolds7387 really? They keep the whole tree on tw?
I remember people always hyping shit features on yt videos before next xpac. I saw ppl hyping legion legos and I knew "this is gonna turn out terrible", I saw bfa islands, the amount of hype from people usually talking game is broken was immense and I knew "dis be a shit, mon". So if you see something being hyped in popular yt vids its gonna be the same.
What about the absolutely awful PvP ranking system of Vanilla?
Anyway, I agree with many things on the list, but when it comes to bad BFA features, there's no way Islands are worse than Warfronts.
Should have replaced the weapon skill tbh, much more annoying imo. Requires you to literally have no life for months just to get R14
@@gishathosaurus6828 Yeah, weapon skill imo is a fun flavor thing during leveling up, even if it's pointless at max level. The only truly BS thing about it is when you get a weapon skill by a talent, and every time you retalent, you have to grind the 300 levels again.
@@19Szabolcs91 wtf is that really a thing?
@@Rivexd Yep, I believe enhancement shamans for example learned some weapon skills by talent. And when they cleared their talent points, the skill level for that weapon was also erased, even if they picked the same talent afterwards.
Edit: I actually looked it up now, and it worked like this until near the end of vanilla. So if you play Classic today, since it's v1.12, it's not the case anymore.
@@19Szabolcs91 must be the reason why I haven't heard of that, I've never actually played Vanilla, just Classic
Island Expeditions were nice after 8.1 when tokens were used for something. Saying they abandoned them isn't correct either, as they added new NPC vendors near the end of the expac with lootboxes you could purchase to get random loot from the expeditions, including the sought after mounts. So they gave people an incentive to grind them.
I remember getting my first Legion-dary from a blingtron, then i got my BiS legendary from my mythic+ chest- the same day it got nerfed -.-
Shadow Satyr's Walk. Nerfed in the following morning. At least they stood on for a whole night like a man.
I like personal loot, though I came back in BFA after Mists
Top ten rarest battle pets or top ten best battle pets to use
Oh, one of my favorite azerite traits was for BM hunter where using aspect of the wild gave a massive amount of mastery stat, which was just completely fair
People dislike pathfinder? I actually found it really fun. It felt like a reward for completing content. After they made it account wide, of course.
It's primarily the reputation grind. Fortunately it's already confirmed Shadowlands pathfinder won't have this, but it was having to mindlessly grind out dailies for several weeks to get rep well after you completed the storyline of that patch is what made it suck.
IMO BC and WotLK had the best iteration of flight, where you had to pay a somewhat expensive fee at max level to fly. BUT, there were actual perks to flying. Places you couldn't reach and quests/reps you couldn't access without flying (think the Netherstorm and Ulduar dungeons/raid, as well as the Netherwing and Skettis content), entire zones that could hardly work without flying (Storm Peaks and Icecrown). The usual complaint that flying makes certain parts of the game too easy and convenient makes sense, yes, but that argument is very much mitigated when flying is actually integrated into the game experience, rather than being there just for convenience's sake, as it's been after LK. Pathfinder is a bit of a lazy compromise, IMO. It is as if Blizz were saying "we're too lazy to design content tailored for flight, but since you folks still want to be able to fly and do stuff, here's some time-gating for ya. Enjoy your grinds!"
The initial idea is great, but they should really tone down some of the rep-related requirements. I'm all for mechanisms that subtly coerce players into enjoying more content, but the Pathfinder thing got out of hand. Completing the storylines and doing a couple of rep quests is perfect if you ask me, but having to collect junk in Mechagon and kill mobs in Nazjatar was really cumbersome.
I actually think a version of stat templates with more customization is a good idea. Such as in games like guild wars 2 where you choose which stats template you want to use and other customizable pieces. And Lost ark let’s you put a set amount of points into what stats you wanna max out. I think these are way more competitive ideas but at least making pvp gearing easier or having a low disparity of gear has worked fine in DF.
you could have just said "literally everything in 8.3"
I actually like pathfinder it's a nice compromise between people who doesn't like flying mounts and people who can't live without them.
I personally like the adventure sense and interactions with people that not being able to fly bring to the table... but that eventually wears off, so it's nice to being able to fly for convinience when you have "exhausted" the zones.
That being said I still don't understand why flying is not unlocked for everyone in a given expansion after the next one have droped.
I miss legion artifact. Actually working towards a cool skin was fun
its been pretty dissapointing with the current weapons thats for sure... kinda hate having reskins for each set
I love spec fantasy that weapons give, sad that my BM gun can be used by some stupid MM hunters that are out one shotting people with lightning, not weapon for snipe shooting!
Nothing highlighted modern Blizzard's lack of system design skills than BfA.
Alright here's a free video idea: Hardest bosses in PUG LFR. That should be a long list lol-
How can there be a pug LFR? Don't you just queue up for LFR and get in a raid with random people? I know puging has similar thing, but for pugs, you need to form a raid group, invite people in to actually do the raid. Am I missing something here or am I thinking correctly?
Kiljeaden, Archimonde, n'zoth, the eyeball boss in ToT.
As a PVE player Ai really liked the stat templates, then I felt encouraged to play PVP
That was the biggest problem, though. You felt encouraged to play PvP because you got a leg up over people that play PvP as their main focus. The people that actually primarily wanted to play PvP got *discouraged* from playing because they were forced to slog through a bunch of PvE content they never liked... While you got a free pass because you were already doing that anyways. (And presumably enjoyed it, which is fine.) Previously when there was resil or pvp power, *everyone* started on ground 0 and had to work their way up for every new character. The only way to get better at PvP was to... Play PvP. The PvE players that felt "discouraged" by that system weren't really, because *everyone* had to go through the same thing, including PvP players. It was just they didn't want to put in the work to get better that everyone else had to do. (Not necessarily speaking about you specifically.) I don't see how anyone can call it fair that players that apparently didn't even really like the PvP aspect of the game got priority and special catering over the people that actually did like it and play it.
Imagine if you were forced to do lots of PvP content to be competent in PvE... Sounds unfair, right? So why was it fair the other way around?
On warforging you forgot that it caused a lot of resentment between players.
I'd love to see a video on not game but lore changes as the game as evolved from vanilla, retcons, walkbacks etc
I remember back in Legion, I got my BiS legendary very early on (earlier than most people even HAD a legendary) and was so far ahead of my guild in DPS that it was just absurd. I would be top in the charts by 10-20% in mythic Emerald Nightmare. As awesome as it was to dominate everyone, I always laughed and felt so bad cause I literally just won the dice roll and got to destroy everyone. Very stupid
Thank u for talking about this so evenly. Obvi there’s stuff 99% of people hate but most of even the worst things were sorta “meh” for most people and just seriously hated by some groups
Instant recomend thanks TH-cam for actual great videos ❤️
When they try to fix things that really arent even broken to being with they just make it far worse
LFR isn't just useful for casuals too, as a hardcore raider I also enjoyed tagging in LFR just to practice a fight or simply play the raid for fun without any pressure, just applying your rotation without thinking too much about strat.
My most embarrassing WOW moment came with weapon skills. I was generally a Moonkin Druid, but one day I decided to try tanking.. Did LFG and got a group. Went into the dungeon and pulled the first mob and saw ' your weapon skill has increased to .1' or something like that. The DPS were pulling aggro all over the place because I wasn't hitting with any of my attacks...
Whenever I wanted to level up a new weapon skill as Alliance in Wotlk, I would take a quick trip to Theramore. Those lvl 1 training dummies were a godsend to leveling WS, especially since my roleplaying warrior was a weapons master and that of course meant i needed max level with all weapon types.
Great way to get "Anyone order a knuckle sandwich" achievement
Man I'm so happy to hear someone agree with me on LFR. I literally hate raiding because I hate having to voice chat with people and I don't really give a shit about progression. But I've always wanted to actually experience end game content in a watered-down form at least just to see it and maybe get some raid pieces, without having to fight for a raiding spot and with the expectation that I have to show up at a certain time twice a week. I found, after playing the first LFR back in Cata, that I quite enjoyed LFR if only just to make that my "personal roof" on itemization and to do this type of content whenever I feel like it. I know pugs exist, but fuck that - I also never understood or agreed with the arguments against LFR
The arguments against LFR are kind of out-dated or gate keeping. Like it did have some big problems on release, but they fixed the problems by removing tier set bonuses from lfr and delaying the hell out of its released in comparison to regular content. And the other argument is just a Gate Keeping one, where they feel you shouldnt experience the raid unless its on its hardest difficulty.
the scaling cost of reforging azurite and then having to fill your bags with a ton of random azurite pieces you'd probably never use was also extremely annoying. It would also occasionally setup greedy situations where people would have azurite pieces they could trade b/c they already had them but would then keep them just to not have to pay 40k gold to respec them on top of having a specific place they have to go to respec them. Also at the very beginning of the expansion azurite gear wasn't even tradeable.
Video Idea : Top 10 most underrated features in wow. If you ask me, Highmaul Coliseum from wod is 1 of the most underrated. A free for all mode with 10-15 players and the winner gets some cool rewards, and a feat of strength achievement and title Lord of War. You dont really see players having it that often which also makes it a bit unique.
I really hate open world mobs scaling with item level. In any RPG you should get better at fighting with better gear, not have a "balanced" experience.
They do? Since when? I remember going around in Legion 7.3 as Blood DK 2HKOing everything :D
@@bisalissy3846 Mobs scale to your level until you hit level cap where they start scaling to your item level. I know the item level scaling was most noticeable in BfA
"Complete all quests of the expansion in order to get Fly which would help you to get all the quests in the expansion."
That back then was the ultimate mind-f*** for me. Did got my all game Loremaster in the last days of BfA, but bruh... what the f***
The current gem system, rng chance for a socket to put +x stat yawn.
Bring back my red blue green yellow purple orange and meta sockets with bonuses
I appreciated your background piano music! It was a nice change from most other channels.
do you know the title to that piano music? The first one specifically
Tbh titanforging was not bad
It was just People never able to be sated and getting so obsessed with "bUt It CoUlD bE BeTtEr" to such an extent that they stopped enjoying the game
...which is exactly why it was that bad, not sure what your point is
Those type of WoW players are always miserable about the state of the game and I make a habit to never listen to any of their complaints.
Im a World 200 raider. Currently at 7/10 mythic in Nathria. I didnt give a shit about titanforging in bfa.
If i got a titanforge, nice. But i didnt try hard for it. And most of my guildies thought the same way. Nobodies going to spam +15 keys to get a 455 titanforging with a socket. You either got it, or you dont.
So i dont know where these players are that youre talking about. Who would go crazy about a 445 item, just because it didnt titanforge into 455?
I dont know players like this and i would say that i play on a high level.
I knew before even looking that Azerite/BfA in general had to be #1 and/or most of the list.
Anyone else pause the video or like freak out when he went "Uh" at 2:53? I'm so used to the perfection of his videos that it just threw me for a loop when it happened
While warfronts were kinda easy, I will never forget how many times I have seen a lost warfront while playing on Horde.
No idea how BFA PvP scaling was not on this list, i mean not even an honorable mention?
I like how Legiondaries is on both the best and worst systems list
12:15
Me having flashbacks from the one time I actually lost
I'm so glad WotLK was the last expansion I played. I have very fond memories of completing actual challenging raids, and I'm gonna keep it that way ^^
I loved Legion leggos because I was able to collect all of them for all specs as casual player without having guild or tryharding any kind of content (I had almost all for Holy/Ret Paladin because of essence exchange system and many priest/dh ones)
It was nice to be able to earn them from lots of sources so it wasn't gating the best stuff behind only the most elite content, yeah. Problem was the totally random aspect of it. Being able to target the specific abilities like we can in Shadowlands means you have to do certain content for certain powers, which isn't perfect, but targetable rewards are always better than super RNG hoops you have to jump through and just might wind up with moderately defensive legendary powers or niche PvP-themed capabilities when there's one out there that makes a huge difference in your DPS.
I'm totally with you on LFR, I'm a casual player and I'm pretty antisocial also, hate raiding. I think a lot of wow players just repeat what their favorite streamers say, so if those top elite players say they hate LFR, a lot of their followers will just jump on the bandwagon. I just don't see how having it hurts them in anyway so why is it such a big deal? They can still do their normal and heroic.
Weapon skill. I liked the rp aspect of it. Getting better with your weapon till you master it.
Yeah, in theory, in practice your just pressing the Right mouse button on something and alt tab to youtube or something
This is a good defense of it, problem is they've been slowly diluting or entirely excising any meaningful roleplay aspects of stuff over time. In practice, weapon skill felt like you had to level up to max level twice.
@@Fabriciod_Crv this covers 90% of the in-game activities in wow. The other 5% is talking to vendors and the remainder is pvp and raiding.
@@o0Donuts0o yeah, but none of them that affected gameplay the same way as weapon skill, which was still very unintresting to grind.
Legiondaries: didn't get my bis ones until somewhere in the middle of Nighthold, at which point I had about 5 of the... many that there were.
Beyond that I got everything that was available before the release of ToS. The day they released the 2 additional legendaries somewhere during the broken shore patch, I got both.
By the end of Legion I had enough legendaries on my main (and virtually only) character to fill the legendary selection of 3 other characters.
I had somewhere around 175 days /played for the duration of legion.
Personal loot was a good change. You missed the ball there. 99 percent of the playerbase shouldn't suffer because the less than 1 percent first world raiders have to buy tokens that their sponsors foot the bill for anyways.
Personal Loot wouldn't be as bad as it is, if you could at least trade all the items you get with those eligible to have looted it as well. I dont know how many of my guild got items they don't need but are BiS for others but can't trade them because they lack 1 itemlvl on that slot. It's just stupid.
He didnt say personal loot was bad, he said that the removal of master loot for top guilds was bad
Honestly personal loot has screwed my guild over more times than i can count *gets an item he doesnt need* "do you need that?" "Nah man you can take" "sorry cant trade" 5 ilvl upgrade for the guy who got it vs 35 for the one who wanted it
I think Hiru mirepresented the issue. Its not "world first guild" problem. Its any serious guild problem. Not being able to trade item to your buddy, even tho its not good for you, but gr8 for him feels super bad. And the reason they removed master loot doesnt exist in good, organised guilds. I cant tell you how many trinkets/rings etc. that my friends wanted badly I had to DE/sell in BfA.
I absolutely hated corruptions back then. I hated how my characters could get corruption long before they'd even be at the right item level to be able to get the cloak without being stomped on by the quest mobs, I hated the ugly purple shit corruption levels added to my character and ruining all those carefully-made transmog sets. I hated having to grind up that stupid cloak on every alt in order to even be able to equip the corrupted items without N'Zoth splurging his purple jizz all over my character.
Future video idea: “top 10 best decisions made in Wow” - one of them is def Classic Wow
I loved BFA during the alpha. I went hard into it. The moment Azerite was introduced, though, it just gave me artifact power flashbacks and I immediately stopped. I was not gonna do that grind again. I ended up achieving a higher character level in the alpha than in BFA by the time Shadowlands came out.
8:48 the solution to this pay2win issue is to simply remove or modify BoE items:
1. Can still have drops off random trash in raids, but just make them bind on pickup and/or set up so they are treated like raid loot, only tradable to someone in the raid group for up to 2 hours (only if you have something equal or higher in the slot).
That or :
2. No BoEs drop until mythic is cleared.. BoEs are unlocked worldwide for all players once someone achieves world first.
Either one of these will eliminate the majority of investment in the Pay2Win to get world first and allow guilds that don't have hundreds of millions of gold to spend to have a shot at achieving world first.
Also it wouldn't make the race a gimmick of clearing the raid week one, which is ridiculous
@@Linoo12 wait what? The last time a boss took a long irl time to get the world first kill was back in TBC..
There are some features that were not only not bad, but awesome imo.
- Pathfinder (for curent expantion, not past ones) for it forces all them nimcunpoons to realise there is content all over the new expantion. You just have to explore the map, do some questing in every zone and do dungeons, gues what, yoiu are playing the game you payed.
- Personal loot + armorstack = win for all.
If the gear you get is an improvement, great it is yours. If it is not, sell it in group. If on top of this, you armorstack, wow, even an altoholic like me is becoming pro at gearing his alts.
No flying in BFA? Np nobody is gonna play that content anyway.
It's not worth the money it would cost them to flip the switch to turn it on
@@aaahzpervect5755 I want the allied races but i seriously cant be arsed to do that content.
i loved the pvp templates... finally a way to start pvp without being f****ed for 40bgs till you start owning some pvp pieces
I actually liked warfronts, they just needed to make them less brain dead and added more.
They was upset because the idea had so much promise but they squandered it. It was so boring I gave up halfway through farming the Horde Plate set for my warrior which I really wanted. Island Expeditions were wastes too. A dozen or so Islands that actually encouraged exploration with hidden areas and secrets would have been amazing. But, no..... just mindlessly farm pulling and clearing trash mobs as fast as possible.
@@clintmcbride7830 Yeah warfronts as were first anounced soounded like would be av/winetrgrasp/ashran stye battles/zones with best of each and inspiration of wc3 (i wish they did more wiht you can control a special Unit in warfronts liek in darkshore the Mech suit, abomination or Banshee)
And islands its stupid dint even alow exploration AFTER they where done.
Every time I switch guilds I love personal loot. Every time I stay in a guild to become a full roster member - I hate the personal loot. Maybe a cooldown for a new member for X number of boss kills - personal loot and after that allow master loot would be ideal.
Top 10 unique and useful toys?
The biggest problem with Azerite armor as somebody who dropped BFA early on was, as a Ret main my best Azerite trait was a trait that increased Avenging Wrath duration. Like this trait was so good it was worth sacrificing like 20-30 ilvls just to have a piece with this trait because early on Ret was pretty much only a usable spec in Avenging Wrath. Massive problem being that the helmet version with this trait only dropped from the final boss of Freehold and trying to get this helmet with a decent ilvl on it was probably one of the worst experiences of my life since when you completed a m+ dungeon you'd have a CHANCE to even get a piece of gear then not only that it was of EVERY piece of gear that dropped from that dungeon and BFA added a TON of gear to the game, I think Freehold dropped like 15-20 items or something for Ret in a 4 boss dungeon. Then from the weekly chest it would grab a piece from EVERY dungeon in the game that dropped.
There was also a massive issue with weapon acquisition in BFA, I remember Horde got the first weapon world quest and people actually rerolled from Alliance to Horde just for this weapon. Early BFA was an absolute joke of an expansion if you cared even a tiny bit about gear hearing all these lies Blizzard was spewing about how Azerite is going to replace tier sets and Legiondaries and the Artifact Weapon trees themselves passives and gold traits and then 99% of the traits in the game were passive traits that had a chance to do X damage or a chance to increase X secondary stat. There was also the GCD change that put everything on a GCD and dear god I'm sure you remember but if you actually played Legion on a character then tried levelling that character through BFA you actively and noticeably got weaker every time you dinged, it was an absolute joke. Then on top of all of this BfA introduced an even more extreme version of ilvl mob scaling in the open world so mobs would scale as you got higher ilvl. Even on fully geared Shadowlands characters BfA mobs aren't that much weaker than Shadowlands mobs despite being 10 levels lower, that's how crazy the BfA ilvl scaling is. So in summary you were lied to about gear, your class was clunky and always on GCD, most classes were doing like 60-70% of their total damage as auto white hits, your character got actively weaker as you leveled up and even if you managed to get gear you never actually felt it because everything still had the same time to kill.
PvP template let my play with all my alts, so I had a reason to lvl up a bunch of characters.
With PvP vendor introduced back, I feel powerless with a new alt and I dont feel the need to play with that char anymore. Grinding a full set of pvp gear isnt worth the time for multiple of characters.
So I need to play a bunch of games which I dont enjoy vs a pvp template where is can enjoy the game initially
So Personal Loot is one of the worst things ever added to the game...because it slows down people's world first runs? That's a pretty silly
reason to say it's bad Hiru, especially since that's only 1% of the player base.
It creates the only real instance of pay to win in the game. That is kind of a problem, even if I personally kind of like it. As a healer I always got passed over on loot because its more important to give it to the dps, so now I dont have to wait for all the dps to get geared before I can start taking upgrades.
Being FORCED into Personal loto as ONLY option affects wya mroe then 1% of players , ti effects any guild/gorup that wanst to frreely trade gear and go for who its best upgrade for and not be pure rng. Not just world first, if want to trade loot you dont need wiht your friends? to bad cant. Its a small upgrade for you but a huge upgrae for fiend? to abd cant give ti. Oh its lwoer ivll then what have btu a different weapon type(say sword vs a staff) to bad aso cant trade it.
Personal loot itself isnt bad, Being Forced as the ONLY option is the bad thing. Certainly with how terrible the trading system is. and even fi wher eno trade resrictions its stil just slwoer and more work/cumbersone then what sued to be able to do with ML.(which in fact the alrreayd ahd perfect system for with 80% guild group required)
I'm fine with pathfinder when the content is current. However, a gold option for flying should still be opened once we roll into a new expansion.
About the disc priest thingy towards the end: Pain Sup’s conduit is most likely bis for PvP so nope, not useless.
Well its pvp.. so no one cares ;P
I'll be honest, I forgot about pvp
@@hirumaredx It's okay, even though I don't understand how you forget the BEST part of an MMORPG :^) Kappa
Thank God for LFR, I WOULD NEVER see a raid without it.
Me too. I just don't care about the game enough to bother with proper raiding guilds and the stuff they put you through. I'm an LFR scrub, call me part of the cancer that's killimg the game, idk. I'm just glad LFR exists for the more casual players.
I really miss weapon skills. Since it has a very high RPG feel to it. It was too important and therefore imbalanced, but it felt way more as an investment to get into a new weapon. Imho a good system
Maybe an idea for a video would be: "10 features players want to see in WoW"
Player housing, i still don't get why blizzard doesn't introduce it to the game it would be a great way to farm old content, also more cosmetics/glyphs abilities, that is also a well loved thing in the game
Top 10 worst specs in wow history (I'm guessing it's a lot of vanilla/tbc specs)
Melee survival hunter currently in pve.
@@imadeyoureadthis1 Preach. Melee SV Hunter is the #1 answer. Replaced a fun, widely-popular, and effective spec. Consistently useless tier after tier. One of the very least played specs in the game for 5 years straight. Literally the only spec in the game predicated on taking away part of the base class instead of building on the base class. Explicitly aimed at people other than those currently playing Hunters. It's the biggest class design debacle ever. At least back in Classic they had "lack of experience" as an excuse for some of the shit they put out.
@@Bepples i stopped playing hunter because of that. I loved explosive shot.
@@DisastrousIntentionally "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot."
Only to clueless non-Hunters who thought they were all the same because "hurr ranged weapon". We don't declare that Arms is literally Fury with Colossus Smash because both of those specs have some thematic overlap. So try to refrain from declaring similarly stupid nonsense about Hunters. Survival was significantly different from Marksmanship in both theme and gameplay.
"Blizzard failed for years to give that spec a genuine identity that felt different from the other Hunter specs."
See above. There was no failure. That's revisionist history to dishonestly try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival was not only fine, it was a successful spec that appealed to a lot of people and provided a nice alternative to the other Hunter specs. This is why it wasn't being frantically changed all the time like the current melee SV; it kept the same basic identity and gameplay for 4 expansions. That would simply not have been the case if Blizzard was desperately trying to find an identity like morons on the online discussions like to portray it. If you want to see a Hunter spec without a genuine identity, look to the current melee Survival which is a clumsy combination of several different identities because Blizzard has no clue what they're doing with the spec anymore and are largely just playing damage control due to the disasterous initial melee rework.
"It was only ever popular when numbers put it above the other two specs, anytime that wasn't the case it was barely played. Played more than modern survival probably but still barely played. "
It was actually routinely a popular spec even when it wasn't the best, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just clueless and unaware rather than outright lying. In Siege of Orgrimmar the spec was actually below BM yet still saw more play. But just look to Blackrock Foundry. That was a tier where SV was more significantly behind BM. In the last 2 weeks of that tier, Survival got 7.6k parses to BM's 42.2k. A lot less, for sure, but still more than nothing. Now look to the current tier, Castle Nathria. Survival has about 500 parses for the ENTIRE TIER so far. That's less than BM gets on average per DAY and they do more or less the same damage. Using play rates and representation as an argument against ranged Survival is so hilariously hypocritical and out of touch it's not funny. Actually, it kind of is funny that people can be this delusional.
P.S. In Highmaul, just before Blackrock Foundry, Survival was literally the most played spec in the entire game by a massive margin. And that wasn't the first time. So you can kindly cut the bullshit about it being "barely played", thank you.
The only tier where ranged SV was barely played, since it was recognisably ranged Survival with Explosive Shot, that is, was Hellfire Citadel in patch 6.2, and that was primarily because they mysteriously flat out removed a core mechanic that made the spec work, making it struggle to compete with tanks for damage. I wonder why they would do that just a month before announcing it would be replaced with a melee spec... hmmmmmm....
"Let's not pretend Survival was some amazing spec before the changes, it was always the spec that had no real identity outside of PvP."
I'm not the one pretending here. You're the one making shit up as you go along to desperately try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival had a great identity as the utilitarian that used exotic munitions and tools to gain an edge in the fight. This was distinct to both BM and MM and meaningfully and sensibly built off the base class. Survival right now nonsensically tries to build an identity by taking AWAY the most core part of the base class. It's the only spec in the entire game that tries to build off a weakness, and as such most people want nothing to do with it because it essentially defeats the entire purpose of being a Hunter.
Blizzard also can't decide what to do with it so it has 3 different identities competing for prominence in the baseline toolkit; the stock-standard melee Skirmisher like a Warrior (Raptor Strike, Carve), the utilitarian toolkit that would better fit ranged Survival anyway (Wildfire Bomb, Serpent Sting), and the BM Hunter ripoffs (Kill Command, Coordinated Assault). Speaking of which...
"At least modern Survival tries to be it's own spec, Blizzard just needs to put some genuine time into it."
Oh, really? Because last I checked they literally rebuilt the spec from the ground up twice and what they arrived on was a spec that leans heavily on the identity of Beast Mastery to the point where it straight up copies BM abilities with some adjustments. They at least bothered to rename Bestial Wrath to Coordinated Assault when they copied it over, unlike Kill Command. Oh, and they straight up stole Spirit Bond and made it the mastery; you know, the iconic part of BM that was there from the literal beginning. I don't recall ranged Survival copying Aimed Shot, Chimera Shot, and Careful Aim over; it had its own toolkit yet the fact that they both used a ranged weapon was enough for you to declare "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot". So are you going to admit to being totally full of shit or what?
@@DisastrousIntentionally I'm not the one who thinks the Hunter specs were the same because they both used bows. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that was routinely one of the game's more popular specs, and even at times the most popular in the entire the game, was "barely played" unless it was overpowered. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that sees less parses in a month than another Hunter spec sees in a single day is an improvement. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that rips off half the toolkit from another spec is one that is forging its own identity.
You're the one that's delusional, and I have no doubt in my mind that you do not and have not played a Hunter and you're in fact talking out your ass.
Something Titanforging was also responsible for (imo) is the extreme inflation in item level and stat numbers. In Legion alone item levels increased from ~600 to over 1,000.
Love personal loot. It removes all the unfairness with master loot. So many loot rules like DKP, loot council etc etc never works.
This video just shows how much Blizzard overthinks things, and how much they are trying to push the game as things that it isn't and will never be, such as eSports. Most of these systems are just convoluted mess that have nothing to do with a straight up RPG title. At least weapon skill makes sense from an RPG perspective.
One thing I wish they'd bring BACK are bonus rolls. At least when that was a thing there was still a chance that you could get some kind of loot; now you don't even have the opportunity to be disappointed twice...
Personal loot is a significant improvement for 99% of the player and the other 1% it's restricting would ristrict themselves anyways how is this a bad change
No garrisons?
Yeah I hate Garrison's