New Jeeps Are Failing To Sell
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- Today I talk about why new Jeeps are not selling!
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Oh no, it’s like people don’t want to pay artificially inflated prices and mark ups for mediocre / average vehicles 🙃
😮 😂😂😂
I bet jeep rubicons sell just fine, all of there models on the lot are really just mall crawlers with a jeep name slapped on them.
Right...when you drive off the lot the car isn't even worth half as much as you paid for it.
I have a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7 hemi beautiful condition but I’m in a mental debate to purchase 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee OverLand but I feel the newer one looks cheaper than mine I mainly want it for the new design and keeping up and not being outdated waiting to the price to become more reasonable
@@bc_usa you would be suprised how well jeep rubicons hold thier value, especially in todays makerts. Personally i don't even want one, i prefer a vehicle with less road noise, but if you want to live the jeep life with doors off and rock crawling there are only 2 vehicle choices, top end bronco or top end jeep wrangler. its a very niche market like sports cars.
People are tired of being gouged. The dealership mark up is highway robbery.
In Canada it's illegal to markup, your Gov is sleeping.
Definitely expensive
LOL, wagoneers are 100K....
@@stockey oh no. They're awake. They just don't give a damn
@@dogsarefun2 and only worth 60 at best
I've had 4 Jeeps. A Golden Eagle (yes, I'm old) and 3 Cherokees. The 4 cylinder was way underpowered - kept that one 3 months. They all had poor gas millage and serious rust issues (Wisconsin winters?). They also kept my mechanic busy with lots of problems. I now own 2 Subarus going on 10 years with only battery, brake and tire replacements. Enough said.
The dealership I went to is awful. They have so many in the lot but they acted as if they don’t want to sell me a jeep. They listed one for $53,500 and I offered $53,000 but they told me no. That’s was it, no counter offer or anything.
I was at a Jeep dealership in November '22 ready to buy a new 4xe rubicon. The price at that time was $72k with a $10k markup. The asking price was a bit over $82k. I bought a Lexus GX instead at almost $60k. I won't be looking for another 4X4 or AWD vehicle for the next 10 years or so. I wish Jeep good luck.
In 10 years the GX will about broken in. And will be satisfying into the future, though the gas mileage is an issue for some.
Good choice the Gx might not be as cool as the wrangler but for the price you get the most reliable SUV on the market
Toyota is in another dimension compared to a jeep 💩💩💩
@@alonsogomez959 the wrangler looks and rides like a turd 😮
That Lexus will serve you well. Smart move!
Two reasons, reliability and price Jeep is at the very bottom in regards to reliability quality control, and also customer satisfaction after the sale. The only brand that fared worse voice Land Rover and of course the price someone tell me why a new Jeep Wrangler four-door is $65,000?
It's only $65,000 if you buy a $65,000 Jeep. I custom ordered a 4-door 2023 Wrangler with every option I wanted for ~$38,400 sticker price, and paid less than sticker obviously.
@@DirtyScab 38k is still too much
It’s not at the bottom of reliability. That honor goes to GM. Look it up
You missed the 3rd reason which is Stellantis should of never came out with a new generation jeep grand Cherokee, and then a L and Wagoneer all at the sametime.
65k is a fully loaded rubicon wrangler. It’s the greatest off roader but people buy it because of its looks never take it off road. Which is so stupid bc it’s a terrible on road daily driver with the steering when I drove one for a few days. Unless you’re really using the off road capabilities, spending 50k plus on a terrible uncomfortable road car is stupid and that’s what most people are doing.
You nailed it. My sister bought a Jeep Compass and drove it many years before it rusted out. She wanted to buy another one, but ended up with a Ford Eco Sport because she couldn't afford a new Compass. Her wages have not kept up with inflation and thus her standard of living has decreased since the time she bought her Compass. Once again, the rich live like kings and the working class get the shaft.
She got lucky. Those Jeep compasses are just rebadged fiats now.
We live like Kings because we work our asses off. It's not like we were randomly selected by the government to be rich 🙄 Work hard for your damn self & you'll be rich too hopefully
@@Unjust1 A word of advice: ALWAYS grasp the context of any situation you observe or are personally involved in. It stops one from looking stupid and/or making stupid decisions. Never once did I "self identify" as a king. My comment was in response to the original post unnecessarily throwing shade on the rich. We had nothing to do with his or her sister's situation, but it's commonplace to blame rich people for everything wrong.
@@J972MNope.
The income disparity in this country is disgusting.
My last Wrangler was a POS but then I traded it for a Cherokee where I found out that they would not even honor the warranty and on my first oil change, they took out second gear making the car very dangerous too drive. The warranty was replaced with the term, "operating as designed".
That was my last purchase from FCA for life. Would never trust them again.
I just sold my Grand Cherokee Overland and good riddance! It was full of surprises and none of them were good. They saw my leather dash peeling and initiated an order for a replacement, six months later they had amnesia and asked who I spoke to and claimed that if I didn’t get a recall notice then I had to pay for the replacement. That kind of customer care will get the death penalty from any of my future money.
@@Donkor640 sounds like a shady dealership.
My dealership has honored everything under warranty til the day the warranty expired.
they did a full radiator replacement (racoon tore it up)
and they replaced the camshafts twice, all under warranty. I only ever had to pay for them to diagnose it ($100 each time)
even oil changes were done under warranty.
every time they asked if i wanted to have a job done or some part ordered. and every time what they were going to do or who was going to cover it was printed out as part of the work order, so there was a paper trail of everything, which i had a copy of and they had a copy of.
warranties aren't optional, If the car is still within the millage and age for the coverage than the car is covered by the warranty. I don't get it, is there a warranty on the car or isn't there?
@@CodeDonut This was a known issue, and a weird partial recall was issued with a deadline to respond. I was the second owner so I didn’t know about until I took it in for service and the nice lady told me about it and said she would take care of it. In comparison, my previous vehicle was an Infiniti and it had dashboard issues (not nearly as bad as Jeep) and they offered a full dash replacement and a loaner car while the work was being done.
@@CodeDonut Unfortunately it was out of warranty when this problem reared its head. When I went on the Jeep Cherokee forum there were a lot of people who were fighting the same battle while still under warranty. It’s mind boggling that they would ignore the complaints of their higher end buyers. It’s a relatively small market for $70K SUVs, and the company decided to save money in the short term and lose a bunch of return customers. If they don’t stand by their product then why should we?
I'm a GM at a Jeep Ram Dodge store. The reason jeeps aren't selling that much is because the manufacturer increased the cost of building a vehicle. Just 2 years ago, you could get a 60k rubicon gladiator full loaded. Today, it's almost 80k. Because they're saying that if the dealer can get a mark up, then they'll raise the cost. My opinion.
Dealers are the thieves and have been for decades
Back in late 18 a friend of mine got a new body style 19 Ram Limited for around 57k out the door he hit some crazy rebates. That truck now is 80k or more out the door now.
Jeeps have markups? Sounds like they want a piece of the pie they don't have.
I've been seeing markups 10k over MSRP. Keep the cars, we'll keep our money.
Its also because theyre vehicles are trash and the cost is an insult.
The problem is that Jeeps is trying to brand themselves as luxury brand and charging ridiculous prices for their stuff. I mean all the brands at the moment are overpricing their vehicles but Jeep was on it for a while. And on top of that you get the legendary Chrysler reliability, and lets not forget they are now together with French and Italians which are well know for unreliable cars. Lot of Mopar guys were after me, when I called this when Stellantis was created, and here we are :D
You won’t find a 40k Jeep Cherokee. Ben is quoting the base price, which you have to add 8k to 15k of options, 3k tax, 1.5k freight, and $300 to $1600 for a tag depending on how your state issues the tag. That gets you to 53k to 60k. Hope I didn’t ruin your trip to the Jeep dealer.
@@tommyh.8391 You were probably replying to someone else, any Chrysler dealership would be the last place I’d be going :D
I brought a 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee in 2020 and I haven’t had any real issues with it except changed tires. I find it very reliable and a great ride. I got a great deal on it and I am happy with my car.
I have owned four jeeps, two Grand Cherokees and two Wranglers. Three of the four were nothing but problems. Because of this, last week I bought a new vehicle, a Subaru Outback Wilderness Edition.
Good purchase. You will find it goes through deep sand such as a beach much easier than your Wrangler
I've owned 5 in the past. 1 Grand Cherokee, 2 Cherokees and 2 Wranglers. The Grand Cherokee was the only one that ever gave me any issues. I put 230k on one of the Cherokees with the 4cyl engine. I was young and didn't take care of that Jeep but it kept going. This was back in the 90s so I'm not sure if they were built better back then. The Cherokees definitely looked better than the new ones.
@@Mark-op7zt I think we must be around the same age, because my first Jeep was a 96 GC with the 318. The engine had so much power, but always needed something replaced. I gave Jeep a chance again in 07 when the JK Wranglers came out, and my 2-door Sahara was the one that never gave me a single problem... weird for a first-year redesign. Next up was my 2011 GC, and this one was the biggest clunker I ever owned, always needing something. Traded that for a 2013 4-door Wrangler, which was good but had a few minor issues. To be fair, eight hundred miles on the new Subara and they already needed to replace the battery. Apparently, the Outbacks and Foresters had a problem with smaller factory batteries running all the tech, and Subaru has begun installing larger ones.
@@Mark-op7zt Sounds like you owned the old Cherokees before FCA screwed up the brand. Yes, they were good and much better than a modern FCA Cherokee.
I once had a Grand Cherokee and it was the only vehicle that I have ever owned that the light bulbs lasted longer than the light fixtures.
Funny, I had nothing but problems with my wilderness and went to a wrangler.
I haven’t bought a new car yet for 2 reasons, 1) the interest rates are way to high. 2) dealers are asking way to much over MSRP for vehicles that aren’t worth it and that will loose 20%+ when you drive it off the lot, and more in the first year
Nice to hear someone with common sense, not like the fools who are buying these new cars with all these markups.
Loose 20%, tight 80% 😉
Man, 2 door wrangler was my dream car. But since 2018 built quality drastically declined (i like to take care of my vehicle long term), which made me look in different direction. Add a huge price jump due to pandemic and all, and this dream simply goes into a "dead dream" box in my head.
My mom bought a brand new Jeep Cherokee in December of 2019 within the first month things like trim parts were falling off the engine making horrible lifter ticking noise. Almost 3 years later you’d think that this was a 10 year old Jeep with the things falling off, fading from the sun and just broken it instantly changed my mind about the Jeep brand quality
That’s terrible!! What in the world are they thinking at Jeep?
@@martinr8278 I don’t know 🤷. My sisters Jeep Renegade Islander isn’t any better, uconnect battery failure, moon roof not working, rough idle at less than 20k miles
Yeah garbage vehicles
@@m-cw7er That is FCA for you. There a reason that Fiat quit selling autos in the USA a few years ago.
@@pcs9518 and I’m sure it wasn’t cheap either. Hope she moved onto a better vehicle
I own a 2016 Wrangler as a daily driver. I have not had any issues with the powertrain but it seems like I am always having an issue with minor things. Wheel sensors, window motors, leaks, air bag sensors, A/C motor are some of the ones I can remember. The vehicle always starts and will get me where i need to go, I just don't know what will break next.
You are extremely lucky…. I know with jeep owners it’s a constant fear… what will break next …. Once you buy jeep… peace of mind is gone
@Wise Tree you are right! My 2022 willys literally has a new problem every 2 weeks. Fack Jeep!
Yeah that’s bs and not acceptable anymore with modern cars
I have a 2012 with 130K miles on it now and bought it CPO one-owner at 65K miles in 2015. In the first 30 days I had all the issues taken care of under warranty - axle seals, door lock issue, frozen caliper, parking brake issue. Since then it has been super reliable and the only major issue I had was rockers needed replacing due to the "Pentastar tick" at 120K. Even at $2500 that was only four or five car payments. There definitely seem to be "good" and "trouble" Wranglers. I think the key is finding a used one-owner vehicle two or three years old with 20-30K miles on it - usually means the previous owner was happy with it and it's one of the "good" ones. Some Wranglers you'll see have been through three or four owners in the first 50K.
I still drive my 2011 2.4 compass daily, she’s at 175k and running strong, the only big repairs was a new rear diff, rear subframe, luckily I’m mechanically inclined because those woulda been pricey at a shop
I had a 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk that I had bought new in 2019. After 3 years of ownership, I had multiple problems. After 10000 miles the brakes were gone and needed to be replaced. Bought the one with the Turbo 2.0L engine and it would jolt everytime I would accelerate or brake. The hood was changed to aluminum rather than steel for 2019 and the hood would flutter while I was driving. The door lock stopped working and the door just kept bouncing open. When I would goto the Chrysler dealership it was always a fight to get anything covered under warranty. Ended up trading it in after 3 years at 20000 miles. I wouldn't buy another one again.
I have a ‘19 Trailhawk too. Headlight died after like 3 months. Had front breaks done after 2 years. The hood flutters at like 70mph. The windows and seats move slowly. Battery died after 3 years. Tranfercase had to be replaced at 3 years. The Transmission is garbage. The cabin is so loud in always think a window is open. But I had a ‘15 renegade Trailhawk first and had no problems so I decided to “upgrade”. Suffice to say, I won’t buy another.
Sounds about right.
$53k for a 2 door jeep rubicon! Before taxes, warranty add ons etc!!! Crazy!!!!
My coworker bought a Jeep Renegade and at 20K miles, it left her stranded on the side of the road. The car had a chip malfunction and it acted as though the transmission had to be replaced… She took it in to the dealer and they figured it out after a few days and it was covered by the warranty, but still it wasn’t fun for my coworker to deal with it, specially when she thought she was driving a brand new car. Don’t get the little “Jeep” branded vehicles. They’re Fiat products.
The big Jeeps are Fiats also
Now they are French
Yep fiats. The larger ones too.
The Italians and French are running the show, what could possibly go wrong!
@@supersami7748 I think I’m offended! 😂😂😂
If you are like me, after hearing about how car dealerships have been screwing customers for the past couple of years, you will keep your car until the wheels fall off (that is not specific to Jeep). I bought a Tesla 2 years ago. Not because I really wanted an electric car or I want to save the world, I hate going to the car dealership. I feel like a pig being led to slaughter. You order your Tesla online, you pick the options you want, you pay the same as everyone else, and you pick it up when it is ready.
Well said ! Dealerships are garbage
Ben great point. I got one of the last 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee WK Laredo with Quad Track 2 for 41k CAD out the door. Have the 3.6L and nothing to report. One faulty ground but overall 30k miles on it and been a dream.
My 2003 Liberty was sold off last year. I had 235,000 trouble free miles on it. Rust was the sole problem. I replaced it with a 2006 Liberty. I've enjoyed the 2006 for a little over a year and 20,000 trouble free miles. I like the old ones.
I have a 2011 Jeep Liberty . It has been a wonderful vehicle and still running . It has been very dependable
I was greatly interested in the Gladiator, but passed on purchasing it. 1) Underpowered. 2) Fuel tank too small. 3) Factory wheels and tires looked silly small. 4) Seemed overly expensive in upper trims for what is actually delivered for all that money. That said, I hope Jeep does well. I love their styling and offroad prowess.
Good presentation. Yes please do Buick also. Would be interested in hearing about the decline in sales. Thanks Ben.
The biggest issue is pricing of all these vehicles versus Quality @ Reliability.
@weirdshibainu Not any more. Chinese native electric cars are dominating the market along with Tesla. Buick lost the war long ago. And even during that time Buick is not a premium brand. It's just a normal brand.
@@ericsimons8560 Exactly. Buick brand in mainland China is on a par with Volkswagen. The premium brand from GM there is Cadillac, which is equivalent to Audi there.
Buick is likely the dullest brand on the US market. They lost any relevance they had about 45 years ago. There is literally no point to their existence outside of China at this point. This about a premium brand is the complete farce, it's bullshit. A Buick is no nicer than a top of the line anything from any family car brand. Hence why it's a failure here.
In 2011, Buick moved away from their core buyers (older middle class men) to a European styling (younger middle class couples).
People didn't equate Buick with sportiness and bought European and Asian brands.
Also, the people that used to buy Buicks, for their reasonable pricing and semi luxurious riding, also went elsewhere.
@@freetolook3727 Most of their traditional customer based has died off in the USA.
Prices……that’s why. 70k for a grand Cherokee , with stuff you can get standard for 40k from a Kia or Hyundai….with a better warranty
Don't be fooled by a flashy interior. They skip cost on the build. There's a few good videos that talk about the build quality.
Oh and those Kias are 50k now.
They should do what Kia and Hyundai did. Raise the manufacturer warranty to 10 years or 100k miles if they truly believe there vehicles are reliable.
Guy at work with a 2022 Grand Cherokee V6 with 11k miles just blew his entire motor. Something was wrong after a dealer oil change. First the roller lifter(s) and rocker arm(s). Then this and that. Then Oops, need a NEW engine. A brand new engine was installed under warranty. Also, new catalytic converters under warranty. Took a little over a month for the work to be done as it was substantial.
Another reason, in my opinion, is the way Jeep handles issues. A large corporation I used to work for(initials are UPS) did a study and learned that customer loyalty was earned by properly handling errors as much as not creating them. Jeep needs to "own" their lack of reliability and make things right. I would rather eat a bag of dog treats than deal with warranty issues on a Jeep.
😂 Dog treats are tasty Tommy
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Yeah. The dealer network is absolutely terrible. “Well, that’s just how this thing was designed”… never again.
This just makes me appreciate more my 4Runner limited..
I had one of those myself. Front brake calipers seized every other year like clockwork. And the frame rusted to hell despite the fact that I powerwashed it every spring to get the road salt off. Toyota still can't figure out how to make a body -on-frame vehicle that doesn't rot out underneath.
@@Japplesnap well said!! I wouldn’t touch a Toyota…..too many issues
@@Japplesnap probably should have washed it more than once a year if you wanted to avoid rust…
@@goode.110 The undercarriage? No, not during the winter. Besides, i never wash the undercarriage of my Jeep and it doesn't rust.
Their reliability is getting SO bad, a lot less people want Jeep vehicles. One of the more important expectations when buying a brand new vehicle is that it will not have any problems for a few years or a bunch of miles.
Looked at jeep, liked the vechicle but the prices are crazy .
Jeep grand cherokee , hybird , not the top trim in Canada is 85000 plus taxes etc.
Thats 100 000 out the door !
Plus $3000-$4000 cost to maintain per year
Jeep made a point to keep getting product out during the chip shortage height. Then add in the price hikes and some of reliability issues it created a perfect storm. Higher end trims have sold more because they are a solid car and most people in those price ranges aren’t too concerned with costs of issues and stuff going wrong.
Exactly! 100% on the head, sir.
I have a 2020 trailhawk Cherokee with just over 20k. No problems just routine maintenance. All included in the purchase.
I keep forgetting that Buick still exists.
I love how he calls 40k affordable in 2016 when I bought my truck that was nuts
They have a lot of leftover 2022 Compasses still on the lot. In California (only I think) there is a $4,000 rebate for three more days. It made me curious so I looked at a local dealer and they have a Latitude that has an MSRP of 35K selling for a little under 28K between the rebate and the dealer discount. Its well equipped. A new AWD crossover with power driver's seat, power liftgate, dual zone climate control, etc... for $27,805 isn't bad.
Had my Rubicon for 3 years going offroad here and there.
All stock and not one problem.
Love to see any SUV go off-road in places I've been with no issues.
Because like all the other manufacturers their prices are insane. All the dealerships keep giving less for more. Junk cars that should be 45k are 65k. Keep it
I’m so happy I got my Gladiator last year for a great but still expensive deal.
The equivalent to what I got is now $65k that’s just insane.
They are discounting new Gladiators by over $10k at my local dealer!
Take a look at what you can buy with the same money. Gladiator and Wrangler are simply garbage.
@@ericsimons8560 lots of people buy a jeep wrangler for the wrong reason. If you aren’t rock crawling or driving up mountain sides buying a jeep is a terrible idea. Horrible road noise and uncomfortable. But if you need it for what it was built for it makes sense.
You bought an extremely unreliable vehicle and what it's made for being used off beaten path isn't what you want broken down.
The good thing about seeing a gladiator is, it makes your stupid decisions seem minor to the guy in the Jeep
it’s pretty simple Ben. They are overpriced. Stupid buyers will finance their lives away. It’ll be interesting to see which manufacturers move away from the dealership model in the coming years. That’s half the problem. Markups, terrible service departments, and shady sales tactics.
The markup is killing everyone but dealers don't care...those are the results not many buying cars nowadays
Our 2018 Jeep is great. Never a problem. Great service from our dealership on oil changes and service. Been great. I've owned Jeeps forever. First new one in 97, bought a 99, then an 04, an 03 Rubicon, and a 2018. Never a lemon, all been very dependable.
Seems like that’s changed. Wonder if most are running to Toyota brands instead of jeep for safety and better reliability
@BD200 what's the name of your dealership?
Jeeps are always a problem
@@martinr8278 no it hasn't. I don't know anybody "running to Toyota" for anything. Didn't Toyota has millions of vehicles recalled, bunch do to rusted frames? Yes, but you give them a pass??
Purchased my first Jeep on 11/30/22. It is a grand Cherokee Summit Reserve 4xe in hydro blue. Love it. So far it’s been very reliable.
eww
@@lordt78 - lol 😂 - it beats owning a RAV4
Nice
Sounds awful
Reliable? It’s only 4 months old… did you even wax it yet?
Price, price, price! Car prices have gone up so much, I no longer even look at many of them. And when I go online and use the build it function, I am continually shocked at what price they zoom to after I have added my preferred options. There are a few options I like that I can only get if I pay for option packages and the next thing I see is I have added $10,000 or more to the price, then you add the $2,000 delivery/shipping charge. I am now pretty much limited to the used market now. And even that is pretty grim. So, my current fleet will remain in my driveway for the foreseeable future. They are all paid for and work just fine. I really like Jeeps. Have owned them previously.
Endless engine/transmission issues, dangerous airbag/electrical issues, EXTREMELY overinflated prices like its obvious to anyone with eyes why they're doing so badly
Straight up told a Jeep dealer I would not be paying MSRP for a Jeep Grand Cherokee L. He wouldn't budge. His deal came out to close to $1,000 month for a 36 month lease w/ 10k miles.. Told him, no way. His response? "We're sorry this vehicle is out of your budget".... Cool. Turned in my 2020 BMW X3 M40i, told my local BMW sales manager about Jeep. HE said he didn't want me going else where and that he'd order me another X3 M40i and sell it to me at invoice. DONE! Ordered it less than 3 weeks ago, got my production # and my new BMW is already in the production queue. I did swing by that Jeep dealer's website last week. And what did I see? Jeep GCL's are now discounted. I hit up the sales guy saying I noticed this. He replied that yes they were offering discounts and if I was interested in buying again. Told him I ordered a BMW instead.
I bought a new car in 2021. I had a 2014 Grand Cherokee before and loved it, had a few issues but they were all covered under warranty. I opted for the Toyota Venza vs a new Grand Cherokee because the Toyota was about $20k cheaper similarly optioned, the Toyota had significantly better fuel economy, and the Toyota should have far better resale value. I like the fit and finish of the Jeep better but at the end of the day the Toyota was just the superior product.
I actually really enjoyed test driving the 2022 Jeep Cherokee. The Limited trim, with the V6 engine is smooth and peppy. Unfortunately the 4 cylinder turbo may be the problem for a lot of people. Just not a good long term match.
I lease a Cherokee trail hawk and have had zero problems with it, No recall. We also bought a Toyota Rav4Hybrid and in the first month had a recall and my gas milage is not what the sticker says, but still good. My Cherokee is quieter, rides better, has better seats. The only downside with the Cherokee is the gas milage.
I actually prefer the new 2.0 I4 hurricane engine. It’s performing well, and probably why they’re making it the standard engine in a lot of models
@@garygeorge9648 I got the same, mine at 18 roughly with majority City driving, wonder yours' especially rav4 hybrid in comparison of Cherokee v6, thanks for replying!
@@grandche3966 19 to 21 on the Cherokee and in the low to mid 30's on the Rav4 hybrid. Jeep has much morre power and I think is the better driving experience. The Rav4 is noisy. Almost as noisy as my Wrangler I had.
@Gary George thx got what I wanted, almost brain washed by 40mpg ads until you made a comparison in all aspects!
We own a 21 JGCL and absolutely love it, not one problem have we had so far, 27,000 miles
The average consumer that is looking for an affordable vehicle, wants something reliable that lasts, and Jeep is not that.
Comes down to reliability and cost of maintenance for me. I was in the market for a half ton truck last year and ended up buying a low mileage used 5.7 Tundra after looking at Ram, Ford, Gladiator, and the new Tundra.
The other trucks seemed to have a lot more features and tech involved in their power trains. To me, this means more issues and expenses when I get to 100k or more miles on the truck.
That makes sense. I wish all brands would make an option to delete all the electronic gadgets except those required by law. And please don't make us use touch screens for AC, radio, etc. It's frustrating and frankly dangerous while driving.
You are a smart dude. My 2016 Tundra has 190K miles and no issues so far other than the water pump! My friend got a new Grand Wagoneer and I had to wait around for him after church because he wasn't sure if it would glitch out and leave him stranded. Not good for a 100K price tag when my Tundra cost me 22K used 3 years ago.
You should have bought a gas F250.
@@RFJersey 10 mpg isn't a good selling point.
Stellantis has a TON of work to do to stop their slide. As covid started, we considered a 2020 Pacifica Hybrid because of the insane deals. The dealership experience was the absolute worst I've ever had. I don't think I'm alone. Pretty soon the only people who will be buying these products will be rental car companies and those with a credit score below 500.
We have an '18 Cherokee bought new and it's been flawless. The 4 wheel drive with the stock tires goes really well too.
The lease deals at our local dealer are insane. I haven't seen a "deal" on a lease since 2020.
Great Video. My wife has owned two grand cherokee laredos. She loved them both… any problems were taken care of under warranty. Unfortunately, the new grand Cherokee has changed up some trim options so we would have to jump two trim levels up from her current car to get the same features. This means some competition like the Cadillac xt5 is much cheaper. Makes the grand Cherokee a tough buy. Keep up the good work.
Yes, they really went upmarket on price with the new grney Grand Cherokees.
Jeep is weird cause it's probably the only brand that can be a mainstream brand but can also be a luxury brand proces for certain models.
Wife is on her 5th Grand Cherokee and they’ve been great. I will say the new GC 4XE overland we just got is amazing but the price was insane.
I'm not sold on the 4xe drivetrain. I'm sure it's great, but that's a lot of technology and stuff to potentially go wrong. I'd rather see fully electric versions only because it will greatly simplify the drivetrain.
@@Japplesnap Time will tell for sure. We lease them so they are usually gone in 2.5-3.5 years
Reliability is a huge, HUGE factor. It is the biggest factor for me. I really wanted a 4xe wrangler but after looking online, the problems that were reported just made me re-think. I am now waiting for the new design of the Tacoma. I hope they offer a plug-in hybrid version with similar capabilities (electric only) as the 4xe.
Good luck Kevin... my Tacoma had so many issues my son nicknamed it the Lemona. Keep an eye on the Toyota forums... plenty of people complaining there too.
Toyota is NOT what is was 10 or so years ago. Plus... dealing with Toyota over warranty concerns is an uphill battle to say the least.
😂 they still have drum brakes and you’re expecting a plug in hybrid
@@mxerb5912 All 4xe models are plug-in hybrids. The wrangler 4xe has about 21 mile all electric range (wish it was larger).
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 Bummer, I hope things work out.
@@KreeH2023 I’m talking about the Tacoma
Same here in Australia, Jeep GC dropped the diesel V6 and V8 , new model has a lower tow rating by 1000Kg and prices rose considerably as the Australian execs boasted "we want to be a premium brand" . Only problem is reliability reputation/spares parts supply is trash and charging more doesn't suddenly make you a premium brand. It makes you a far more expensive average brand.
..... .YOU HAVE LC 300s ,prados , hi-lux and the 70 series ALL diesels .... if we could only get a troopy in the U.S w,e have no wagons that are suitable for car camping ,ovelanding why buy a jeep ? premium brand is LEXUS
I was at the Jeep dealer last week I was looking at Cherokee it was like $60,000 I was feeling around inside it is made cheap as hell even the buttons on the steering wheel felt like you could break them very easy…
I was considering a new Wagoneer until I started watching and reading reviews on Jeep/Chrysler. Tried one out, love the looks, and the ride.
I might reconsider Wagoneer when they enter their 3rd production year and hopefully have the bugs worked out.
Hopefully, but doubt it. They're gaining a bad reputation for unreliability.
great video. i enjoyed your analysis.
I've been avoiding Jeeps since 1999 when mechanics warned me that Jeeps are consistently unreliable and become increasingly expensive beyond routine maintenance because the parts are so expensive. Husband was a mechanic at a Dodge/Jeep dealer and he confirmed that every Jeep that came into the dealer had thousands of dollars worth of issues. We all agree, they look cool. But they're wallet crushers.
Drop the price will sale
Had a 2023 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk on order, but canceled it shortly after before it was built. Primary reason was reliability. Did more research and everywhere kept putting Jeep low on reliability. Also talked with several friends that have Jeeps and they all have problems with them. I just didn't want to take the risk.
I have a 2014 Cherokee Trailhawk with 125k and a 2020 Jeep Cherokee high altitude with 45k on the odometer. Both have been extremely reliable. I’m really not understanding where some of you guys are getting the reliability concerns from? Just maintain it to factory specifications and you’ll be fine.
@@voodooranger6905 agreed, my ‘21 with the 2.0T is now past 50k miles and not a single problem. Wonderful ownership experience so far. Excellent gas mileage even when going above 70 mph!
I have a 2003 Rubicon, bought it new still running strong , got me through many storms here in West Virginia, used to be a good product but that sun set a long time ago
well the dealers that did the Market Adjustment, screwed themselves
I love it. Jeep's not selling. You could do one that FORD has no inventory and the FORD Bronco is bad joke because of it's problems. GM also has low supply issues. Jeeps problem with buyers is they are charging you for safety features that are standard on other companies. The bottom line is simple it's called the supply chain once again, add the economy. No car company is having a good sales year!
As a long-time Jeep owner, I think you hit the nail on the head with “off-road adventure brand”. When I look at a Cherokee, Wagoneer, or Renegade I don’t think “off-road adventure vehicle” - I think “ugly station wagon”. I’m honestly not sure who they’re seeing as potential customers for those vehicles.
Cherokees aren’t ugly though!
I'd have no problem buying another Cherokee. We own one currently(Limited) and have owned two previously. Yes, there has been a couple very minor issues, thermostat and coolant temperature sensor, but no mechanical issues that the critics had warned about. The 9 speed transmission has been perfectly fine on all of them we've had. Both previous models were equipped with the 2.4L engine and with oversized all-terrain tires on mine, I reached fuel mileage as high as 31 mpg traveling through a rather hilly area.
If the Maverick I've ordered didn't get scheduled for production I was going to shop for another Cherokee for myself, too.
Can I ask something. Im just genuinely curious so no judgement with this question. why so many cars in such a short time?
@@zackarystewart9214 Those other Cherokees where bought new Dec. 2016, kept for over four years. Mine was replaced with a used Ram pickup, the other with a Ford Escape which was totaled by someone running a red light just shy of owning it two years, replaced with the third used Cherokee. I'll have had my used Ram for three years in a couple months. But I have owned a lot of cars, some for years, one or two for only a couple weeks.
Great vid, like Jeeps! Just finished amazing 2-month's season out of Sandy - 35 days on ICON so far in 2023, 5th year is a row! My wife gives me 2 months per year, but I am looking at the totals - and am xxoo tempted to sneak out of the house for another week or two... Thanks for great videos!
I owned a older Jeep Compass which was a tank and even made it through a snow/ice storm here in Atlanta. To hear about the lack of reliability being near Range Rover is so disappointing to hear.
I like the Ford Maverick. Small "utes" and trucks will be selling more for the next five to ten years. I can't wait to see Toyota's version as well as the one from Ram! You are correct about reliability issues as well.
I've owned a 2014 and a 2021 Jeep Cherokee.. Never had a single problem ever.. exceeded expectations winter driving in Northern Alberta Canada.. These Jeeps are great choices. I needed Durango space for big dogs. Or I'd still have it.
Doesn’t matter they have the reputation for being unreliable and the salesmen are desperate and money hungry
They’re garbage and hood their value like used soap.
I’m a 2017 Jeep grand Cherokee owner, mid trim. First time jeep owner and I absolutely love my car. All I do is put gas, oil, and tires on it
People are out of touch reality...who cares what the average selling price is. 50k is a lot of money. 40k is also a lot of money. It is not impressive to cost under 40k.
One word RELIABILITY!!!
yeah. Chrysler products are absolutely horrible.
Yes, do a video on Buick. We lease a 2021 Envision and wonder what to do when the lease is over. It's a very reliable car and have been very happy with it.
Return it. It's crap.
When the top-of-the-line Jeep SUV goes for $100,000, even the filthy rich think twice about buying one. I have owned three Jeep Grand Cherokees and enjoyed each one. But when the price of a new one reached $50,000 many years ago, I switched to a Honda CRV and later a Mazda CX-5 for one-third the cost of a new Jeep Commander or whatever it is called.
It's simple, a basic Wrangler Sport shouldn't cost more than $20K brand new, not upwards of $35K. Pretty much the only Wranglers I can afford are 2015s and earlier and most of them have more than 100K miles on them. Jeeps(and all vehicles in general) have mostly been priced out of affordability for the average consumer.
Jeep's offerings were already wildly overpriced, and they are increasing pricing yet again?? It's no surprise that they aren't selling well. They are feeling emboldened by the 4xe Wrangler doing so well because of federal incentives and low lease costs the past 2 years, and they haven't had to deal with real competition because of Ford's manufacturing delays on the Bronco. I have a $59k MSPR 4xe that I leased for $460/mo with $0 down. If I were to finance it over 6 years in the same $0 down scenario it would cost me $900/mo. There's just no way that a Wrangler is worth that, and Jeep needs a reality check on their pricing for such a bare-bones vehicle.
After reading alot of comments, I have to say I'm very happy with our 2019 Durango with the 3.6L. 65k on the odometer
I bought a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee WK2 certified used; somebody backed into it this was during the backlog of automobile parts and body shops being 6 to 8 months or more out so I traded it in on the 2020 WK2 Trailhawk. Three months after I got it one of the key fobs stopped functioning turned out to be a faulty RFID chip which means that you cannot use that key to enter the vehicle without setting off the alarm and activating the engine immobilizer. Luckily I did have a second key fob for the vehicle and I’ve been using that for seven months while I fight with the dealer that sold me the vehicle and Jeep corporate to get a new key fob. I am not the only one that has had these types of minor annoyances from Jeep dealers this is why I’m looking at buying a vintage 4x4 truck rather than keep the Jeep. For reference I am a full-time nomad overlander and content producer living in my Jeep Grand Cherokee.
I remember the first time I took a new Wrangler for a test drive back several years ago because I got a itch to buy one, I liked the looks of them, but soon after leaving the dealer lot the desire to buy one quickly went away, it was noisy, slow, top heavy with vague steering and felt like it would tip over in a turn or if I had to swerve quickly to avoid a accident, it actually felt unsafe to be on a highway ,worse of all it was noisy all the noise from the engine and transmission echoed right thru the floor ,it was a windy day and the canvas top added more noise as the wind made the roof move about,
I couldn't wait to take it back to the dealer lot , When I got out and looked at the window invoice , I thought how is this thing worth that price?
then I looked at a few used ones at the same lot that were only a few years old and all of them were developing rust on the frames and in places where I wouldn't think rust should be on a vehicle only a few years old, even the door hinges had rust starting! I walked away thinking what a pile of junk !
Yes - make a video on Buick and what GM is doing with the brand.
Jeep has way to many different versions of their products that is an issue that nobody talks about.
I worked a Chrysler dealership when I was a kid and the attitude was, the factory ships it and dealer fixes it under warranty ……so what’s the problem. Customers would come in for their first oil change with a list of things that needed fixing…..it was horrible 😢
I never really considered buying one because I've seen a lot if people say not to trust the reliability.
I was cross shopping several vehicles, including the Jeep Compass, Chevy Blazer, Ford Bronco Sport, and the Subaru Outback last fall. I ended up buying the Outback because I got a lot of car, with the options I wanted, at a fair price. I did not have to pay more than sticker, and I didn't have to forgo the options I wanted because of limited supply. I love Jeeps and miss my 1998 Cherokee almost every day! It was crazy reliable, which apparently can't be said of new Jeeps, but they've priced themselves out of the market for average buyers these days.
Jeep Compasses and Bronco Sports are jokes; the Compass is a FIAT and the Bronco Sport is a three cylinder POS.
Had an outback and it was a good car. My two complaints were the lousy engine and hard as rock seats.
@@garygeorge9648 I know what you mean about the engine. You really have to press the throttle to get it to move. I wanted the turbo 2.4, but I opted for the base engine. I couldn't swing it because I have one kid in college and another on the way in a year, so I need every extra cent I can get right now! The seats are another story. I got the Onyx edition. I love the seats. They are harder than those in my Ford Flex, but they are comfortable. They feel good on a highway drive.
@@davetisee Understand buying what you can get. I had to buy a pad to drive any distance. Like I said good car just not for me.
Good choice
Hi Ben,
I have to tell you of all the videos that you’ve done this is been my favorite, a complete analyzation of the company JEEP was done phenomenally I’m asking you this is there any way that you can do the video that you did with the jeep just now can you do that with Lexus? Please let me know when you read these comments. I really appreciate all the work that you do. I love the channel you do a great job. One quick comment. On a personal note I do not buy JEEP as much as I’d like the 392 because of the reliability and dependability factor bottom line. It’s a Chrysler and in my opinion the quality control is absolutely horrible. I’m not crazy about the fit and finish the looks of the vehicle are OK, I like the grand Wagoneer but it’s way over priced. It should be under $100,000 the engine and the transmission is not reliable from what I’ve seen friends that purchased them are going through. Again great channel. Hope to hear from you soon. Peace.
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Hi Ben, Thanks for another informative and interesting video. I have been looking to buy a JL Jeep Wrangler. The top complaint I see from folks is galvanic corrosion issues. Have you heard any news from Jeep on any improvements they have made to fix that problem?
The early model JLs had that issue. Warranty took care of it for people. If your getting used I would say 2021 or later get. Stay away from 2018-2020 JL, more problems
May 2022 purchased new 2022 Rubicon 4XE. Paid the dealer markup which for the comparative jeep was still $10,000 less than a Rubicon 2021 model with 10,000 miles on it. That’s how crazy the prices were. Yes dealer markup wasn’t happy about that but still cheaper than the used one at Carmax and that one was not a plug-in hybrid. It’s been a great car we’re very happy with it.
I've been looking at renegades because they're cute, affordable, practical for my needs, and the awd is surprisingly decent. I was waiting for the 2023 remodel but I've been seeing basic trim levels listed around 38k base msrp, which is like 5k over their previous fully loaded top trim (limited or trailhawk usually maxed out at around 33k ish). For 38k I could find a solid used wrangler. Or I could save the 5k and get a Bronco Sport. The dealerships I've visited also don't seem very desperate to get rid of their inventory. Saw a renegade sit on their lot since early 2022 and they actually increased it's price a few times only to lower it back to the starting price and claiming the price had been 'reduced'.
Lol its not 38k base what are you smoking 😅
jeep renegades are rebadged fiats. i wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole
Jeep wranglers are unique vehicles. Traditionally, Jeep wranglers hold their value better than any other production vehicle. But Jeep has priced them out of the affordability range for a large segment of the population.
I recently bought a Jeep Wrangler. I hadn’t bought a used vehicle in the last 30 years, and I could afford a new Wrangler, but I was looking for a Wrangler basically as a toy to have fun with. A $50,00+ toy made no sense. I shopped used Jeeps for a couple of months until I found what I wanted.
I found a JK in like new showroom condition. I had to spend more than the book value to get it, but I still saved $20,000+ by buying a used Jeep.
On another negative problem for Jeep. A Jeep dealer is about a mile from my house. Their Service Dept is so inept that it almost defies belief. The dealer requires the customer to leave their vehicle until they order and receive the part, then they schedule it to be repaired, then the customer is called and told they can pick it up.
My son had a JL. The 4 wheel drive developed a bad switch. The vehicle was drivable but the service dept required him to leave it with them until the part arrived. It took 12 weeks for the part to arrive. My son had a back up vehicle but what I’d he didn’t?
My son was so angry with the dealer he sold his Jeep when he got it back.
The next closest Jeep dealer is 25 miles away. They will order the parts necessary and contact the customer when it arrives. Then they will schedule the maintenance. My Jeep is out of warranty, so I can take it to any auto shop and get it repaired if I have an issue.
It seems if the price of a new Jeep doesn’t run customers away the service Dept will.
1. They are not always holding their value best. Toyota has always been a competitor. The reliability is the true support point for high resale value. The fun to drive and fun to own will be varying along with market makes it an unstable investment, if you want to talk about that.
2. You are not saving $20k+ for buying used. You are simply being ripped off by dealership that take advantage of your willingness to pay over book value. That's it. Period.
3. Jeep dealerships are the most garbage dealerships of all brands. They all scam money, but jeep is the only dealership that scam your money and do nothing making you angry.
@@ericsimons8560 The only parts of your posts that I disagree with is that the popularity of a vehicle, more than its reliability, is the main factor that determines its retail value. Popularity equals shortage of supply and scarcity of a product always increases its value.
Second, in order to be ripped off the buyer has to be ignorant of the products value. The value of a product is based on many factors. Ten Jeeps with the same trim options, engines, & same model year will vary in price based on the overall condition of the vehicle, mileage, amount of, or lack of, modifications and customization of each vehicle. Is the vehicle a secondary vehicle or primary daily driver, does it exhibit evidence of significant off roading, was it ever wrecked or damaged, is the paint and interior in showroom condition or does it exhibit lack of care and maintenance?
The Jeep I bought was in showroom new condition inside and out, it had a full maintenance record, the previous owner changed the oil and filter every 4,000 miles like clockwork just as the owners Manuel recommends. It’s mileage indicated it was a secondary vehicle, the clear coat paint was flawless indicating it was garaged when not in use. It looked and ran like it just came off the showroom floor.
The seller was asking $5,000 over the black book suggested retail price for a Jeep in excellent condition and the seller wasn’t willing to negotiate the price. If it was my Jeep and I was selling it I’d ask more than that. To be ripped off I’d have to be unaware of all that I’ve noted. It was virtually a one of a kind used Jeep and I recognized its value due to its unique condition.
As I noted, I’m retired so it’s just a toy for me to have fun with it. I would have paid up to $8,000 over its black book value, due to its unique showroom condition, so I wrote him a check on the spot. I’ve had it for six months now with no regrets or second thoughts. I’m confident I could sell it now for at least what I paid for it but I have no intention of doing that.
I’ll keep it until I pass away and then I’ll leave it to my grandson, who is also my mechanic, that did all the customizing I wanted done on it. The value of any product is what a buyer is willing to pay for it. I didn’t buy my Jeep for an investment, I bought it to have fun with it and customize it the way I wanted it.
One last thought. This is my third Jeep, and second Wrangler, that I’ve owned, and I’ve never had a major problem with any of them. Minor stuff yes, but nothing major. According to recent information, Ford is having significant major quality control issues and their new Bronco is having some very serious problems especially engine issues. According to recent published data Ford is losing $2 Billion a year in warranty claims. This is so serious Ford’s survival has become a real issue.
Sounds like the stealership in Greeley.
Had a Cherokee and a compass, biggest pieces of crap I ever had and I took care of them both. The compass left me stranded at only 14,000 miles on it , over 70 miles from home. Failed transmission. Was considering a wrangler but even the base sports are well over $47-$50,000. Plus I remembered the issues I had with the last 2. Went with a new 22 Toyota 4Runner instead. Best purchase I ever made!! And made in Japan on the same assembly line as Lexus SUV’s. I will never buy another jeep ever again!!
At home we have a 2020 jeep cherokee with 31k miles on it. A month ago the engine light came on on the dashboard, we went to a scanner and it gave an error P018C... he took the dealer after waiting for an appointment for almost 15 days, it was a thermal protector that should protect a gas emission sensor , which was not installed at the factory, therefore the sensor was fused. Fortunately, that car at home has little use, since the dealer informed us that if the engine had overheated, the car could have caught fire.
The fact is that we are already planning to change brand.
From my perspective there are a number of issues that Jeep is facing that is affecting their sales. Price, price, price. Jeep prices particularly on Wranglers have gone insane over the last 15-20 years. And by proxy so has the rest of Jeep’s lineup. The next issue is Jeep has built a reputation for off road performance, the Wrangler, Gladiator, and the higher trim versions of most other models still have great off-road capabilities, but when you look at the majority of Jeeps models and trims, they fall short, the Cherokee name congers visions of lifted XJs withe knobby tires tackling insane off-road terrain, but today’s Cherokee is not that and because of its design, never could be that, and the Compass and Renegade are even more useless. Even the legendary Grand Cherokee is not the vehicle it used to be, now sporting all wheel drive instead of the 4 wheel drive version of it’s past. The infusion of Fiat-Alfa DNA into the Jeep lineup has further watered down the lower half of Jeeps lineup, and well lets not sugarcoat it, the Compass and it’s twin the Patriot have always been absolutely terrible vehicles and never should have worn the Jeep name.
I agree with pretty much that you had to say on the Gladiator video as well. Especially the suggestion of adding a v8 to the line up.
I remember when Consumer Reports hated almost every Jeep (especially the Gladiator, which it considered one of the worst concepts in the past 20 years) but actually praised the Grand Cherokee. That has changed as the GC has declined in quality - which is sad because they were the cream of the brand and a popular SUV.
I've had a 2017 Wrangler for the last 5+ years, and outside of normal things wearing out at the 5 year mark (brake pads/rotors, tires, battery), it's been as reliable as every other vehicle I've owned. That said, I have looked at an upgrade after seeing the discounts at nearby dealers - and until recently, didn't realize how outrageous the markups are on my target vehicles (Wrangler and Gladiator). I've seen leftover (but still new) 2022s on dealer lots for $10-12k below MSRP, and even found one 2022 Gladiator Rubicon that was discounted nearly $16k. If I do purchase, it'll be on one of those 2022s as the deals are there to be had.
It’s funny how Jeep owners are amazed that they’ve had relatively few problems on a 5 year old vehicle while Honda and Toyota owners expect no problems for 10 years 😊
We shopped Jeep and it was SOOOO EXPENSIVE for the model and options we wanted. There was no way we were paying that. We even told the Salesman that and they were shocked.
We could buy a New Lexus RX350 cheaper for their Jeep or a high level Genesis GV80. THEY ARE CRAZY FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Jeep sales kept calling us to drive one and we already told them that the cars were too expensive for us. Not worth it. Similar with Hyundai. Tried to buy Palisade Calligraphy but not at 4k over MSRP. NO WAY. Terrible sales service and absolutely no negotiating.
We bought a Nissan Murano Platinum under MSRP. Just LOVE IT and didn't break the bank. The Dealer was awesome (best experience ever) - Ed Martin Nissan in Indy.
The 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited in black with black appearance package is actually my dream car right now. I would have got one if it was 20-25k cheaper. I just don’t believe it should cost as much as a Lexus RX