I want to buy a new car and for me it’s between the 2019 Jeep Compass and the 2019 Jeep Cherokee. I will be traveling so I would like to get the 4x4 option. Which car do you think is the better option.
Only a few years back they had several boxy models in the range which didn't sell well. If you want old school get a Wrangler otherwise you have to move with the times.
@@fiveowaf454 Yes and those boxy models looked like sh*t. Look at the new Suzuki Jimny - that's how you do "boxy" in todays times. You could easily do that with a new model of the Jeep XJ.
That's because you don't have the money to waste on the new one and create trail damage. There are people that can afford it and aren't afraid to drive it like it was made to be driven
As someone who owns the old one and is looking at buying the new one, that pocket money will quickly go away with gas if you intend on driveing any real distance.
@@CowboyJuice No way 20 grand is gonna make up for 5mpg. I get 25-28 Highway on my mostly stock XJ after installing multi-port injectors, stronger ignition system, and a snorkel intake. All things I did in 5 hours with a socket set. Also ain't gonna make up for the maintenance and repair cost, which on my XJ is basically 5 bucks and a handjob a year.
Shabeer Ali Nope! The old jeep looked like a jeep, not like all the other AWDs being rolled off the lines these days. I say this as a proud owner of a 2000 XJ! Lol
In their defense they are what the car would have come with. I think it is fair to run what the manufacturer spect'ed in the first place. You are right that tires are the first upgrade to any vehicle. My FJ Cruiser on stock tires would not have done much better than the Cherokee Classic did. I'm guessing my off road traction control would have helped a bit and I've got a stock locker in the rear. But over all the tires would have been very limiting.
Trust me, we have good trails. Even Cow Mountain OHV has decent stuff. These guys didn't go on anything remotely challenging. Although I think this is Colorado.
You do realize the PNW is on the West coast right? We probably get more rain and mud than nearly the remainder of the continent. The west coast isn't just arid California.
I agree I have 3 Cherokees an 85 with the 2.8 v6 on 33" mt Baja claws a 93 on 31" bfg a/t's and a 98 on 235 bfg a/ts. My 85 has been to Black mountain in Kentucky and bumpus cove in Cherokee national Forest. I don't have any lockers on any of them. The 85 has a factory limited slip. And an np242 transfer case and I feared down to 4.11s from the stock 3.73s. I've been in places that I'm pretty sure have left brown stains afterwards. But it's also driving style. If you're on stock height with street tires you don't creep you've got to have momentum to get over some spots. I'd like to have a go with that trail hawk compared to my stock height 98 with the a/ts.
And what is the new Cherokee a rebadge of that Fiat has or had? I highly respect AMC Jeeps but for what makes sense in today's N. American marketplace, this vehicle does pretty well. How many true competitors does the Cherokee Trailhawk have? A heavy off-roader isn't going to get this type of vehicle anyhow, just as back then one would more likely opt for a CJ... and a used one, not brand-new.
I actually own/wheel both an old and new Cherokee. Old one didn't catch up to the new till I locked and regeared it. Old one sure wouldn't do this stock: th-cam.com/video/fGIZcp5xd4M/w-d-xo.html
Cale Roper the new one is borrowed from a dealership or Jeep directly, and the old one has to last them and if you can avoid banging it up, then that takes real patience and knowledge. Driving your car off road and making it out with your paint and bodywork looking the same is something that is worth respect not hate.
The Cherokee Trailhawk is a great little beast, Fearless Trailhawk is a TH-cam channel that shows it going through some gnarly stuff, that a stock XJ could not handle. We all have a soft spot for the old Cherokee, like most people do for the classic version of most vehicles. But the modern Cherokee, while strange in design, is impressive.
Nice review. I own both a KL and XJ and love them both. Each can go places the other can't, the KL due to it's locker and the XJ due to it's superior clearance. However, my XJ is more fun because it's older, already has some dings and dents, and I don't have to be as careful. There is nothing as fun as an old jeep you don't have to be careful with.
that's where FCA lost it..by going to independent suspension to make the Car&Driver crowd happy they removed the ability to mod. For a grand and a weekend of wrenching the XJ goes from a decent off-roader to a vehicle that would best that Discovery
True, the XJ has much more potential when it comes to mods. You can put rock rails on a KL and lift it a few inches, but that is about it. However, the vast vast majority of people who buy jeeps spend almost all of their time on pavement and don't do even moderate off-roading. The modern customer wants a smooth ride, good handling, and better gas mileage. Jeep had to deliver on those specs or they would have continued to loose market shares and just be a one trick pony.
@J Dennison it's actually were you lost it not FCA. It's called a bloody CROSSOVER, Not a Wrangler. Maybe you ought to read what a crossover is. Also show me another crossover more off road capable than the KL Trail Hawk. It would seem FCA does in fact know what they are doing in regards to targeting there market share. The people that buy these demand independent suspension for on road driving which consists of 90% of it's use.
No question it's a grocery getter now. Also no question it's the most capable vehicle in it's class. You are right though. I stopped being a Cherokee customer when it became a crossover and stopped being a Sport Utility vehicle. I agree that FCA saw the market share being higher selling to those that are buying Chevy Equinox or Ford Escape and hoping for a bit more than an all-wheel-drive car. The Trail Hawk is impressive in its off road competence. That being said, it is inferior in its off-road prowess to anything with live axles. That includes the XJ and the Wrangler. Give me an XJ with no swaybars and I will beat a trailhawk on an off-camber climb any day of the week. I would not, however beat the Trailhawk in road manners, fuel economy, or comfort. The XJ is a pig on the highway when it comes to handling. For most folks, this means the KL is a far better vehicle than even the Liberty was, let alone the XJ.
I watched more of their stuff... If you think these guys know what off-roading is, you probably live in a city and/or you think that driving through puddles on dirt roads is off-roading.
To me it honestly looks nice. It's a great grocery getter. Plus, it can handle a few dirt roads, and head up to a camp site or the ski resort. It's a very comfortable ride as well. The XJ is ancient.
Calling it an SUV is like calling a hipster a man. You might be technically right but we all know you are wrong. That's a cute ute crossover designed to compete with Subaru.
I actually have a 2019 Trail hawk (Fiancé's) and its a solid Jeep, yes I miss the Wranglers and XJs I have had in the past but that car is comfortable and I have done some extreme off-roading with it and it did perform. I personally am into the rugged Wranglers, XJs, and even my old BMWs but the Trail Hawk doesn't suck.
Gotta keep it stock .... comparing old tech to new tech .... Stock vs Stock ... seeing where manufacturers got things right & were they drifted away from what works.
But think about the percentage of XJs that have been modified vs the percentage of new ones that have mods...plus, I'd argue that the Trailhawk package is a factory mod (at least in this scenario). A true comparison would be a sport vs sport. I personally would love to see them add an inch lift and rear locker to that XJ so it has similar upgrades.
USAFJUNKIE I don’t think a sport vs sport would be a true comparison. When trim levels change, you have to find equivalence. If they’re both the top of the line for their era, then that’s a correct comparison.
Tucker Garcia If you’re going to go off of that logic then, the Laredo wouldn’t have even been the the top model for 1991. That would be the Briarwood and the Trailhawk is not the top of the line 2019 model. That being said, a Limited Slip Differential was optional in 1991 and the XJ should have that for comparisons sake.
I had an XJ for ten years before getting rid of it for a KL Trailhawk. Love them both. Truthfully, I only got rid of my XJ because it was near 300,000 miles, and was getting to the point where I was spending thousands on repairs. Bought a KL after the XJ was on its last leg and I honestly don’t think I could pick on or the other or say I love one more than the other. Both were and are fantastic vehicles.
@@johnq6257 Right? I mean when the KLs first came out I had the same mindset. Test drove one, loved it, and when my XJ cost me $3,000 in repairs over the course of four months I decided that if I was going to spend money like that, it might as well be on a new car.
I prefer older 4x4s over the new ones, especially when it comes to Jeep. The old Jeeps and Ford Broncos require more driver input and with a little finesse can be a lot of fun. The newer stuff is safer and are better on road. Newer SUVs also provide more traction but the old 4x4s make better off-road toys.
With the old ones one can use much more momentum and "gunning it" when needed. Try that in a new SUV and the T/C will brake the spinning wheels so badly that momentum will be killed - even when T/C is turned "off" (which we all know is a practical joke)
@@T4nkcommander I also love how in all these old vs new comparisons they'll bring the full off road package version with off road rated tires and compare to a base model with no limited slip and highway tires to compare against, and even then just barely beat the old model off road.
The fact that the old Cherokee is all mechanical with little in the way of electronics is what made them so bulletproof. It is the failure of all these fancy sensors and electronically controlled stuff that makes these newer vehicles a money pit as they get older.
Wake up and welcome to the new era of cars. They are all jam packed with tech I mean go look at any modern BMW SUV thing is more complicated than a F-22A fighter jet.
i once heard a quote going something like "lockers are your friend...for about 40 seconds". keeping them on always is a great way to wear your locker down for no reason.
Actually unless turned on manually, they turn on based on what direction the wheel is turned. Left turn=left light on, right turn=right light on. Less than actually useful, but nonetheless working perfectly fine and how they’re meant to. Alot of newer cars and suvs have this feature. Pay attention in the video and you can notice it.
What was not mentioned is much XJ seats suck and how nice KL seats are. Also the KL can tow more. I had both and though cargo space seemed better in the XJ I'd take the KL. Now I got rid of both for my JK Recon 6spd 2 door and would never go back. JK seats rock and it is a tank on the trails.
I have a 95 grand cherokee Laredo that survived me and 5 other family members. It is multicolored because of replacing parts and has 314,000 miles on the original 4.0. The new ones can not go that kind of distance or abuse.
I've driven the new Cherokees at night and the headlights are really awesome, my least favourite thing in the new one is the transmission, the 9 speed automatic is just horrible, it never wants to downshift and when it does there no power, if the old one came in a manual I'd totally take it.
I owned a 1989 AMC Jeep for more than 28 years. If you know how to shift the transfer case, the rear wheels won't spin like that. The XJ Lives to recovery these newer broken jeeps off the trail. The newer jeeps are targeting the skiers that want to get to the resort with a couple of inches of snow on the road. The highway manners of the new jeeps are amazing, but there is traded off with the off-road capability. After 250,000 miles, my 1989 XJ still lives today with my son-in-law.
Because it's still cheaper than getting a tech'd out creature comfort JL. Seriously, price the new wranglers to have the same comparative packages. For a casual wheeler that is also a very comfortable daily the new KL does it well i think.
@@FearlessTrailhawk for 35k?? U can get a used Tacoma or 4runner for 15k-20k loaded and roll past any jeep except a fully loaded wrangler off road. Leave the extra money in the bank.
"JL" was the implication in the original comment....have you priced a new JL fitted similarly to an average Trailhawk? +50k. Where did i say you couldn't get a used 4x4 that couldn't 'roll past it' on the trail for less? Of course you can...never said the KL was king of the dirt or anything, i just said they do well in the dirt for a very comfy daily driver.
You need some better tires on that XJ I don’t think it’s fair... that newer Jeep has nothing on the older ones. My 97 would have eaten that thing alive. All I have is a three inch lift and 31 inch ko2s. Even with better tires that xj can do better against that new Jeep, yeah the newer ones have better road features but the old xj is better off road ....
I'm old enough to have owned both . The biggest difference is weight. Lift the XJ 2" and it will rock crawl and in 4L do 40mph. The electronics and rear elocker on the KL are def sweet the thing is an overweight little slug and slides all over the place. I sold my 2014 and got a WJ 4.7.. Hell on wheels.
Awesome video guys!! This perfect kind of comparison. I like how you listen to your viewers. Maybe do a little harder trail though. I've done Ironclads & Kelly Flats(the bypass) in my 2017 Renegade Trailhawk. Although I do have an 1.5" lift & 1" bigger tires which gives me 11.5" of clearance @ the PTU.
I got the feeling that it was it commercial for the 2019 Jeep Ladyhawke and it also looks like it was the first time these two gentlemen had ever been somewhat close to off-roading
I have a 07 Fj cruiser and a friends have 90's to mid 2000 trucks/suv's . From what I have experienced is people who by newer offroad vehicles are way more reluctant to ever take them out. I mean who wants damage a brand new vehicle. Kinda sucks to spend 40-60k and a offroader just to wait 5-10 years to take it out. I love older rugged trucks and suvs American or Japanese . 70's Jeep Chief Im looking at you !
I want a dollar for dollar comparison of the 2 vehicles. The trailhawk is roughly $40,000. You can find a pretty clean XJ for $10,000. 30K in mods could accomplish a lot!
Loved this video because I have a 1989 2 door Cherokee Laredo and with its age it's about time to retire it and was thinking a newer Cherokee would be a nice replacement for a winter beater vehicle and daily commute. but wasn't sure how build quality was because the old 89 is bulletproof and every way
All Terrain TAs on stock wheels, $500. Aussie Locker in the rear, $270. Aussie locker in the front, $250. New tires and full locking diffs for $1100. Bet that Trail Hawk package was $3500.
The attraction to the old ones is the low price, aftermarket support, and general DIY modding. Whereas the newer ones are more reliable, and come with most of those aftermarket goodies from the factory, at a price of course. And they are much more complicated systems meaning if you broke something it would most likely be a dealer job.
I love what FCA has done for Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge (trust me, I don't mall-crawl a loaded 2500 Laramie Longhorn for the gas mileage) but the old Cherokee XJ's are bulletproof monsters. Buy them up while you can.
Good comparison! I have a 2004 Grand Cherokee Overland and a 2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. In that case, the Trailhawk can't even come close. Independent suspension doesn't allow enough articulation, and they didn't put any kind of locker or LSD in the front. The older Overland is far superior off road due to solid axles and having great LSDs in front and rear diffs.
My 06 AWD Escape could do this. 1/2 the battle is good tires, ground clearance, and driving technique. Love the old Jeeps nonetheless. New ones are cool, too but lots of money. Give me a worthy hybrid or EV Jeep and I’d be interested.
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You can do all this with a Honda Civic.
I want to buy a new car and for me it’s between the 2019 Jeep Compass and the 2019 Jeep Cherokee. I will be traveling so I would like to get the 4x4 option. Which car do you think is the better option.
Please tell me you plan to upgrade that Cherokee and turn it into an off-road monster I would love to see a series on that
@@lfcbraga Exactly.... see my post....I like these vids....but these guys have never really been 'off roading'...
Jeep needs to do a throwback on Jeep Cherokee classic..... every one loves the old square shape...
Only a few years back they had several boxy models in the range which didn't sell well. If you want old school get a Wrangler otherwise you have to move with the times.
army man it’s more like a box or a rectangle
@@fiveowaf454 Yes and those boxy models looked like sh*t. Look at the new Suzuki Jimny - that's how you do "boxy" in todays times. You could easily do that with a new model of the Jeep XJ.
That part of why I bought a commander
General Ripper i love my boxy Jeep Liberty 2010
"and you don't have to worry about trail damage" ....I'd feel worse about beating up that clean classic cherokee than a new one.
I'd be afraid of breaking the new one and getting myself stranded. I tend to drive a lot more enthusiastically than they did.
That's because you don't have the money to waste on the new one and create trail damage. There are people that can afford it and aren't afraid to drive it like it was made to be driven
Why
There 3 grand tho
The old xj can take a bit more of a beating than the kl
Dont see that new one doing that in 28 years
Or even 2 years
Brendan Wright 🙄 older isn’t tougher
Yeah it’s fiat , will break down in 3-4 years guaranteed
Joe Stacks old tech is not more reliable. I’m 40 and I’m telling you it’s not. Using a Range Rover as an example is terrible.
LOL
I love my 1999 Jeep Cherokee 4x4. Best 4.0L in-line 6 ever
I have one, is powerfull
I just got a 2002 WJ Grand Cherokee with the 4.0L and it's great!
You think the 1999 was the best year ?
Love my '95
SAME! i got 390,000km on mine and she runs like new.
Take care of them, cause they aint making any more!
I would put some diff lockers in the old Cherokee, and pocket the money saved on the new one.
As someone who owns the old one and is looking at buying the new one, that pocket money will quickly go away with gas if you intend on driveing any real distance.
Or some manual locking hubs...
@@CowboyJuice No way 20 grand is gonna make up for 5mpg. I get 25-28 Highway on my mostly stock XJ after installing multi-port injectors, stronger ignition system, and a snorkel intake. All things I did in 5 hours with a socket set. Also ain't gonna make up for the maintenance and repair cost, which on my XJ is basically 5 bucks and a handjob a year.
Am i the only one who thinks that the old one looks much better than the latest one?
No most people think the new one is trash. Most people that actually owned a Real Jeep before. They aren't supposed to be "plush"
Shabeer Ali Nope! The old jeep looked like a jeep, not like all the other AWDs being rolled off the lines these days. I say this as a proud owner of a 2000 XJ! Lol
that doesnt sell anymore
want a "real" jeep in 2018 just get the rubicon
I'm happy with my 98 XJ. A friend traded in his 2015 Cherokee because of too many transmission problems and it was ugly.
Same :\
The older Jeep will never spy on you.
One of my favorite things about my 88 Toyota pickup is it's not covered in cameras like all the new cars
My 92 Cherokee has no computer in the cabin and no OnStar. I am in complete control and I can trust my own vehicle.
Good point!
You related to Alex Jones?
Oh yah.
Omg did you see that puddle they drove through... Hard core.
Laughed my ass off.
Yeah, that was quite laughable :-)
"water crossing"
My wifes crv would have no problem on this trail... What kind of test was this?
I've seen driveways that were that " challenging"
The fact you DIDN'T equip the OLD Cherokee with DECENT TIRES...
Makes for a sad competition!
You can't fix stupidity 😮
In their defense they are what the car would have come with. I think it is fair to run what the manufacturer spect'ed in the first place. You are right that tires are the first upgrade to any vehicle.
My FJ Cruiser on stock tires would not have done much better than the Cherokee Classic did. I'm guessing my off road traction control would have helped a bit and I've got a stock locker in the rear. But over all the tires would have been very limiting.
They both had similar tires
Would have been much easier if he just used a little more throttle in the first place
@@EthosAtheos true but a straight 2019 Cherokee would have been a more fair comparison. This one is a Trailhawk with lockers.
Xj is the best.... hands down.
The entire trail could have been done on 2 High lol
All day. I've done trails like that in a Liberty without engaging 4WD.
I've driven a 95 Buick lesabre through worse shit than that. These guys are obviously enthusiastic amateurs.
right i have a 4.5” lift and 33” Patagonia’s on my XJ and lockers all around but i only need 2 high to get through most the trails i have around me
@@revwroth3698 no you haven't.
@@silversonic99 oh yes I have. Many times, in fact. That's the reality of living where I live.
Had a '96 (4.0) and still have a '95 (4.0) and wouldn't trade it for a 2019. 😂
i also have a 95,96 xj but my 95 is a parts donor for the 96.
" oh this weather is getting nasty"
There's like two clouds in the sky his dad must not like let him out much
The weather isn't nasty until everything is foot-deep mud. :D
Did you notice the snowflake strike the right lense of his glasses?........DISASTER!!!
Did you notice the snowflake strike the right lense of his glasses?........DISASTER!!!
😅😅😅
Very dangerous river crossing in the beginning of the clip, the rim's got wet :O
The west coast definition of mud is mildly wet dirt.
Here is their best off road test to date. th-cam.com/video/9L1y0S0gcKo/w-d-xo.html
Trust me, we have good trails. Even Cow Mountain OHV has decent stuff. These guys didn't go on anything remotely challenging. Although I think this is Colorado.
Colorado is in the West, but definitely not west coast.
You do realize the PNW is on the West coast right?
We probably get more rain and mud than nearly the remainder of the continent.
The west coast isn't just arid California.
Love it, I have owned two of the old XJ's and with moderate mods they are very capable off road. Love the show, keep'em coming.
If the old one had aggressive tires...it wins hands down.
Nice way yo set up the old one to fail
That's exactly what my thoughts are.
I agree I have 3 Cherokees an 85 with the 2.8 v6 on 33" mt Baja claws a 93 on 31" bfg a/t's and a 98 on 235 bfg a/ts. My 85 has been to Black mountain in Kentucky and bumpus cove in Cherokee national Forest. I don't have any lockers on any of them. The 85 has a factory limited slip. And an np242 transfer case and I feared down to 4.11s from the stock 3.73s. I've been in places that I'm pretty sure have left brown stains afterwards. But it's also driving style. If you're on stock height with street tires you don't creep you've got to have momentum to get over some spots. I'd like to have a go with that trail hawk compared to my stock height 98 with the a/ts.
They are doing a full stock comparison
He didn’t put the old Jeep into 4 wheel drive
Yeah he did
He legit made the comment that low range was good. Albeit it didn't really need it
That is literally the cleanest XJ I've ever seen
You should see the XJs on Instagram. I thought my build was clean and the other jeeps on there make me embarrassed.
IG - #xjstormtrooper
An AMC designed XJ Jeep Cherokee will always beat a Fiat built and rebadged crossover.
Eric Black
True facts.
Eric Black Fiat Campagnola ar76/1107a is still today one of the best off road ever made
And what is the new Cherokee a rebadge of that Fiat has or had?
I highly respect AMC Jeeps but for what makes sense in today's N. American marketplace, this vehicle does pretty well. How many true competitors does the Cherokee Trailhawk have? A heavy off-roader isn't going to get this type of vehicle anyhow, just as back then one would more likely opt for a CJ... and a used one, not brand-new.
I actually own/wheel both an old and new Cherokee. Old one didn't catch up to the new till I locked and regeared it. Old one sure wouldn't do this stock: th-cam.com/video/fGIZcp5xd4M/w-d-xo.html
Not in any crash test.
you Drive those Jeeps like Grandma
Cale Roper the new one is borrowed from a dealership or Jeep directly, and the old one has to last them and if you can avoid banging it up, then that takes real patience and knowledge. Driving your car off road and making it out with your paint and bodywork looking the same is something that is worth respect not hate.
Cale Roper They could take a lesson from the boys in the war, they knew how to catch a little air! Lol
I agree
That's how you are supposed to drive station wagons.
The Cherokee Trailhawk is a great little beast, Fearless Trailhawk is a TH-cam channel that shows it going through some gnarly stuff, that a stock XJ could not handle.
We all have a soft spot for the old Cherokee, like most people do for the classic version of most vehicles.
But the modern Cherokee, while strange in design, is impressive.
That old jeep is really clean
Don't you mean how much offroad-tech has deteriorated in the last 28 years?
LOL nailed it !
You're an idiot
Like the Landcruiser
Alejandro Ivan Garibay
Yes, yes you are.
If you think the technology and equipment for off-roading hasn't gotten better, then you really must not 4x4 often?
That kid has no clue how to offroad
jangus booyah haha with all the electronic thingymajigs. Liked the xj more
When he climb the hill it look like is not in 4lo 😂
yeah hes a kid
That's what happens when you let 2 yuppies "off road"
Why?
Nice review. I own both a KL and XJ and love them both. Each can go places the other can't, the KL due to it's locker and the XJ due to it's superior clearance. However, my XJ is more fun because it's older, already has some dings and dents, and I don't have to be as careful. There is nothing as fun as an old jeep you don't have to be careful with.
@@Stackali and you can add a lift kit to the new one.
that's where FCA lost it..by going to independent suspension to make the Car&Driver crowd happy they removed the ability to mod. For a grand and a weekend of wrenching the XJ goes from a decent off-roader to a vehicle that would best that Discovery
True, the XJ has much more potential when it comes to mods. You can put rock rails on a KL and lift it a few inches, but that is about it.
However, the vast vast majority of people who buy jeeps spend almost all of their time on pavement and don't do even moderate off-roading. The modern customer wants a smooth ride, good handling, and better gas mileage. Jeep had to deliver on those specs or they would have continued to loose market shares and just be a one trick pony.
@J Dennison it's actually were you lost it not FCA. It's called a bloody CROSSOVER, Not a Wrangler. Maybe you ought to read what a crossover is. Also show me another crossover more off road capable than the KL Trail Hawk. It would seem FCA does in fact know what they are doing in regards to targeting there market share. The people that buy these demand independent suspension for on road driving which consists of 90% of it's use.
No question it's a grocery getter now. Also no question it's the most capable vehicle in it's class. You are right though. I stopped being a Cherokee customer when it became a crossover and stopped being a Sport Utility vehicle. I agree that FCA saw the market share being higher selling to those that are buying Chevy Equinox or Ford Escape and hoping for a bit more than an all-wheel-drive car. The Trail Hawk is impressive in its off road competence. That being said, it is inferior in its off-road prowess to anything with live axles. That includes the XJ and the Wrangler. Give me an XJ with no swaybars and I will beat a trailhawk on an off-camber climb any day of the week. I would not, however beat the Trailhawk in road manners, fuel economy, or comfort. The XJ is a pig on the highway when it comes to handling. For most folks, this means the KL is a far better vehicle than even the Liberty was, let alone the XJ.
“Let’s straddle” then they both drive deep into the ruts...
Exactly!
A couple yuppies playing pretend off-road cringed the whole time lol.
yup, its seriously not watching the channel when it concerns anything "off road" unless for a laugh, their renegade review was kinda funny
I guess you don’t watch the channel very much.
Dude... have you even seen their other videos?
I watched more of their stuff... If you think these guys know what off-roading is, you probably live in a city and/or you think that driving through puddles on dirt roads is off-roading.
So don't watch the channel?
the old one is a legend, and is beautiful, the new one is an really ugly SUV
To me it honestly looks nice. It's a great grocery getter. Plus, it can handle a few dirt roads, and head up to a camp site or the ski resort. It's a very comfortable ride as well. The XJ is ancient.
Calling it an SUV is like calling a hipster a man. You might be technically right but we all know you are wrong. That's a cute ute crossover designed to compete with Subaru.
I actually have a 2019 Trail hawk (Fiancé's) and its a solid Jeep, yes I miss the Wranglers and XJs I have had in the past but that car is comfortable and I have done some extreme off-roading with it and it did perform. I personally am into the rugged Wranglers, XJs, and even my old BMWs but the Trail Hawk doesn't suck.
Jack C but it does tho
I thought you said you were gonna straddle the first ruts.....
Gotta keep it stock .... comparing old tech to new tech .... Stock vs Stock ... seeing where manufacturers got things right & were they drifted away from what works.
But think about the percentage of XJs that have been modified vs the percentage of new ones that have mods...plus, I'd argue that the Trailhawk package is a factory mod (at least in this scenario). A true comparison would be a sport vs sport. I personally would love to see them add an inch lift and rear locker to that XJ so it has similar upgrades.
USAFJUNKIE I don’t think a sport vs sport would be a true comparison. When trim levels change, you have to find equivalence. If they’re both the top of the line for their era, then that’s a correct comparison.
you really cant compare that untill the new one has age on it. When they first came out the old ones werent modified like they are now.
I wouldn't consider tires a mod really, not even entirely sure what tires came from the factory.
Tucker Garcia If you’re going to go off of that logic then, the Laredo wouldn’t have even been the the top model for 1991. That would be the Briarwood and the Trailhawk is not the top of the line 2019 model. That being said, a Limited Slip Differential was optional in 1991 and the XJ should have that for comparisons sake.
Just drove my 1996 XJ from Oregon into British Columbia and back this week. No burning oil. Maintained 75 mph. No problems. 7 hours one way.
I had an XJ for ten years before getting rid of it for a KL Trailhawk. Love them both. Truthfully, I only got rid of my XJ because it was near 300,000 miles, and was getting to the point where I was spending thousands on repairs. Bought a KL after the XJ was on its last leg and I honestly don’t think I could pick on or the other or say I love one more than the other. Both were and are fantastic vehicles.
See actual owners have a drastically different opinion compared to these pretentious yuppies who have never owned the new KL.
@@johnq6257 Right? I mean when the KLs first came out I had the same mindset. Test drove one, loved it, and when my XJ cost me $3,000 in repairs over the course of four months I decided that if I was going to spend money like that, it might as well be on a new car.
I prefer older 4x4s over the new ones, especially when it comes to Jeep. The old Jeeps and Ford Broncos require more driver input and with a little finesse can be a lot of fun. The newer stuff is safer and are better on road. Newer SUVs also provide more traction but the old 4x4s make better off-road toys.
With the old ones one can use much more momentum and "gunning it" when needed. Try that in a new SUV and the T/C will brake the spinning wheels so badly that momentum will be killed - even when T/C is turned "off" (which we all know is a practical joke)
@@SulCoCrazy I know traction control can be useless in snow, it limits the throttle.
@@SulCoCrazy gunning it is a good way to break something. New vehicles have way more power - the old 4x4s don't have enough grunt to break things.
@@T4nkcommander I also love how in all these old vs new comparisons they'll bring the full off road package version with off road rated tires and compare to a base model with no limited slip and highway tires to compare against, and even then just barely beat the old model off road.
Your running almost a street tire on the old Jeep
I have that exact trailhawk. even the same color. Ground clearance is an issue in mud season. The rest of the time no complaints.
Lifted with 33” on both the og Cherokee will win
The fact that the old Cherokee is all mechanical with little in the way of electronics is what made them so bulletproof. It is the failure of all these fancy sensors and electronically controlled stuff that makes these newer vehicles a money pit as they get older.
Wake up and welcome to the new era of cars. They are all jam packed with tech I mean go look at any modern BMW SUV thing is more complicated than a F-22A fighter jet.
i once heard a quote going something like "lockers are your friend...for about 40 seconds". keeping them on always is a great way to wear your locker down for no reason.
Its its slipping dad 😂
That new Cherokee already had a fog light out 😂
Richard Reyes yea I saw it
Actually unless turned on manually, they turn on based on what direction the wheel is turned. Left turn=left light on, right turn=right light on. Less than actually useful, but nonetheless working perfectly fine and how they’re meant to. Alot of newer cars and suvs have this feature. Pay attention in the video and you can notice it.
I did notice it seemed like only one was on at a time, and seemed to be turning on and off. Thanks for the explanation.
What was not mentioned is much XJ seats suck and how nice KL seats are. Also the KL can tow more. I had both and though cargo space seemed better in the XJ I'd take the KL. Now I got rid of both for my JK Recon 6spd 2 door and would never go back. JK seats rock and it is a tank on the trails.
On my 2015 KL I lifted 2" and added 31" KO2s and have yet to be stuck with my rear locker, while Wranglers with open diffs are left watching.
I wanna see that new jeep competing with the future jeep in 28 years from now. Lol
I noticed that no one in the comments section praised the Landrover for making it more than a hundred miles without breaking down .
I just realized that they called the Landrover a recovery vehicle because of the constant need to have it recovered .
I have a 2015 Cherokee and I like the design-Each to their own design.
I’ll keep my xjs and mj over the new cherokees🤢
Loving my 97 ZJ still after 10 years ownership.
I have that same 91 same color everything but a 2 door 5 speed 4 wheel drive love this video wouldn't trade it for two of those new ones
Those xj are like tanks. Just put a 3 inch lift and some 33 on mine and that thing would go anywhere you wanted.
Nowhere on youtube we can see a comparison between kl and kj or kk which is really odd, since these are cherokees and kl replaced kk
The Ford Raptor, Jeep Wrangler, Toyota 4Runner, and the upcoming Ram 1500 Rebel TRX would do all of this like a piece of cake.
I have a 95 grand cherokee Laredo that survived me and 5 other family members. It is multicolored because of replacing parts and has 314,000 miles on the original 4.0. The new ones can not go that kind of distance or abuse.
I've driven the new Cherokees at night and the headlights are really awesome, my least favourite thing in the new one is the transmission, the 9 speed automatic is just horrible, it never wants to downshift and when it does there no power, if the old one came in a manual I'd totally take it.
Everything they did my grandmas car can do🤦♂️ I dont see how this was a test lol
The old one is not only more cool but also responsible
I owned a 1989 AMC Jeep for more than 28 years. If you know how to shift the transfer case, the rear wheels won't spin like that. The XJ Lives to recovery these newer broken jeeps off the trail. The newer jeeps are targeting the skiers that want to get to the resort with a couple of inches of snow on the road. The highway manners of the new jeeps are amazing, but there is traded off with the off-road capability. After 250,000 miles, my 1989 XJ still lives today with my son-in-law.
The problem of the old jeep is the driver
Love the older one, my brother owns a 1986 with just 86K miles, spent most of is life in storage
I just picked up a 1996 XJ SPORT 4.0L with just over 388k on the odo. I'm just north of you guys up in Cheyenne.
Nothing wrong with a soft roader like this new cherokee trailhawk, but at 35k and the intention of of going off road, its like why not get the JL
Because it's still cheaper than getting a tech'd out creature comfort JL. Seriously, price the new wranglers to have the same comparative packages. For a casual wheeler that is also a very comfortable daily the new KL does it well i think.
@@FearlessTrailhawk for 35k?? U can get a used Tacoma or 4runner for 15k-20k loaded and roll past any jeep except a fully loaded wrangler off road. Leave the extra money in the bank.
"JL" was the implication in the original comment....have you priced a new JL fitted similarly to an average Trailhawk? +50k. Where did i say you couldn't get a used 4x4 that couldn't 'roll past it' on the trail for less? Of course you can...never said the KL was king of the dirt or anything, i just said they do well in the dirt for a very comfy daily driver.
You need some better tires on that XJ I don’t think it’s fair... that newer Jeep has nothing on the older ones. My 97 would have eaten that thing alive. All I have is a three inch lift and 31 inch ko2s. Even with better tires that xj can do better against that new Jeep, yeah the newer ones have better road features but the old xj is better off road ....
that's true. this poor XJ gets worn road tires
The diff lock definitely helped, but that's the only real thing the new Cherokee had going for it.
i think a 2-3 inch life on the trail hawk would be mandatory if your gonna be taking it off roading more than driving
I'm old enough to have owned both . The biggest difference is weight. Lift the XJ 2" and it will rock crawl and in 4L do 40mph. The electronics and rear elocker on the KL are def sweet the thing is an overweight little slug and slides all over the place. I sold my 2014 and got a WJ 4.7.. Hell on wheels.
Awesome video guys!! This perfect kind of comparison. I like how you listen to your viewers. Maybe do a little harder trail though. I've done Ironclads & Kelly Flats(the bypass) in my 2017 Renegade Trailhawk. Although I do have an 1.5" lift & 1" bigger tires which gives me 11.5" of clearance @ the PTU.
what lift kit did you use? and what tires did you go with?
@@TeamSTUDx Teraflex lift, 235-70-16 KO2'S in LRC to reduce the weight of the tires.
Half wheel drive can go through those obstacles blindfolded. That "water crossing" omg that's light rain day hahaha
I got the feeling that it was it commercial for the 2019 Jeep Ladyhawke and it also looks like it was the first time these two gentlemen had ever been somewhat close to off-roading
Ah man I had that exact XJ exact color 💔 stolen great fuckng Jeep!
Im gonna straddle it!!; goes right in the tracks
I have a 07 Fj cruiser and a friends have 90's to mid 2000 trucks/suv's . From what I have experienced is people who by newer offroad vehicles are way more reluctant to ever take them out. I mean who wants damage a brand new vehicle. Kinda sucks to spend 40-60k and a offroader just to wait 5-10 years to take it out. I love older rugged trucks and suvs American or Japanese . 70's Jeep Chief Im looking at you !
Where did you even find a 91 xj that clean?
Tommy, you can pull the locker or limited slip out of an older Volvo for that front Dana 30.
“Let’s straddle it.” Proceed through it.
As a fellow xj beater he needs to hit the skinny peddle more and it'll out do 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Well lets start by saying the old one was an actual off road vehicle, and the new one is meerly a Fiat soccer mom SUV.
Love this channel, I always find my way back on here
I wonder if Tommy knows he can kind of simulate that electronic torque breaking by simply applying his brakes as he applies the throttle?
The new "Jeep" is just a oversized Fiat Panda..😂
SILLI4x4 wrong, the Renegade is the Panda. But this Fiat is a POS compared to the XJ!
I want a dollar for dollar comparison of the 2 vehicles. The trailhawk is roughly $40,000. You can find a pretty clean XJ for $10,000. 30K in mods could accomplish a lot!
Loved this video because I have a 1989 2 door Cherokee Laredo and with its age it's about time to retire it and was thinking a newer Cherokee would be a nice replacement for a winter beater vehicle and daily commute. but wasn't sure how build quality was because the old 89 is bulletproof and every way
The old school Jeep already has the edge! Look at the ground clearance between them!
All Terrain TAs on stock wheels, $500. Aussie Locker in the rear, $270. Aussie locker in the front, $250. New tires and full locking diffs for $1100. Bet that Trail Hawk package was $3500.
The attraction to the old ones is the low price, aftermarket support, and general DIY modding. Whereas the newer ones are more reliable, and come with most of those aftermarket goodies from the factory, at a price of course. And they are much more complicated systems meaning if you broke something it would most likely be a dealer job.
That's a beautiful 91 xj
I love what FCA has done for Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge (trust me, I don't mall-crawl a loaded 2500 Laramie Longhorn for the gas mileage) but the old Cherokee XJ's are bulletproof monsters. Buy them up while you can.
You need to learn more about the crv my buddy goes everywhere we go in our trailhawks and XJ/ZJ in a 99 awd 5 speed crv!
I had a 1996 Cherokee sport 5 speed with a 3" lift kit a beast off road
Old school beaters rule They catch the most air and go the furthest💪
Good comparison! I have a 2004 Grand Cherokee Overland and a 2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. In that case, the Trailhawk can't even come close. Independent suspension doesn't allow enough articulation, and they didn't put any kind of locker or LSD in the front. The older Overland is far superior off road due to solid axles and having great LSDs in front and rear diffs.
After the sponsored Mazda test who is gonna take TFL serious. I hope the new channel brings honest, non sponsored tests.
My 06 AWD Escape could do this. 1/2 the battle is good tires, ground clearance, and driving technique. Love the old Jeeps nonetheless. New ones are cool, too but lots of money. Give me a worthy hybrid or EV Jeep and I’d be interested.
Old school looks a hell of a lot better. I hope we’re comparing off-road repairability in this vid. Ww3/Apocalypse scenario.
I've gone and herder trails on my 2011 Chrysler 200 lol
I learned to "power thru" your "obstacles" on 2wd 3/4 ton passenger vans picking up railroad crews. 😜
That is a clean '91. Call me if it ever comes up for sale!
Jeep should make a special edition Patriot. Add the solid axles from the Gladiator. Use the 3.0 diesel. Give it a 3 inch lift.
I know I would buy it.
2:41 NOOOO THE HANDPRINTS
That is one super clean classic Jeep Cherokee! - Side note: Jeep really needs to ascetically rework the front end on the new Cherokees!