On paper, these two rear-wheel-drive sports cars look pretty evenly matched. Did this one end up how you thought it would? Let us know in the comments.
@@JXiong-zo8ig If you like driving there is no comparison. The Giulias steering, chassis dynamics, and character is on a different level. If you care about technology, acceleration, and interior quality the BMW is for you.
I'd still take the Alfa over the Beemer: I don't care how good the BMW is, I could never live with those looks, whereas the Alfa is just simply stunning. At the end of the day, it's how the car makes you feel, and the Alfa would make me tingle every time I just looked at it.
My company wants me to buy a new car and I tried to love the new M3, but it has no soul. No emotional hook. My 2018 QV makes me feel lucky every day. A rare feat.
Yeah, they should have brought out the GTAM. That's the real competitor to the M4 competition. Still the M4 would have won, but it would be much much closer.
the GTAM is also basically 10 years old. Same tech, sligh sligh engine tweaks and a bit less weight. People dont realize how close this race was, when you consider alfa has zero launch control. its not a car to race from a dig. get it moving first.....
@@chad_3894 no excuses, simply facts. This isn’t a “new version.” It’s essentially the same Alfa Romeo since its debut. The G82 is a completely different BMW than the F80/2. Different motor, more powerful, completely different body, different chassis. Totally different cars.
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 Carwow, car and driver, Motorsport magazine all have the quadrifoglio beating the F80. Top gear pitted them against each other and chose the Quadrifoglio over the F80. If you want to argue, go take it up with the pros.
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 it did... BMW always gets beaten until they go do their homework. Cadillac ctsv beat them too lol Genesis G70 beat the 3 series too until BMW always comes back with a different platform 😂
Alfa. If you like to drive it is simple. One day, one drive, one moment for all eternity and nothing compares to the alfa. If you want 300,000mi of a comfy computer driving commuter, then the bmw. The bmw is faster. If you want something that can pull you out of suicidal depression the alfa is it. Simple.
I was wondering this during the video. Who uses launch control in the real world. Is it just some gimmick to impress journalists. My bro's Audi has paddle shifters he never uses..
The launch control is simple in these. I have M2 button programmed. Hit the button twice & Step on the brake. Ready to go. Xdrive is the only way to go with M3/M4
Your comment on the adaptive cruise control hit home. When I got my '22 M550i, I had assumed it came with the car...nope, you gotta buy another package to put that on your $85k car. Seriously!?! Even my 2012 Dodge Charger and my wife's 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee had that.
The big difference between this two is the lack of launch control on the Alfa. What if you guys do one shot without the launch in the M4? I know, time has passed, but i think it would be interesting to watch. Cheers!
@@tinasheroy as someone who has owned BMWs and Alfas, yes. The Alfa is superior in looks and handling all day. Go drive one and realize you’ve been huffing on copium too long like I was.
The RWD M3/4 does its launch control in 2nd gear, which does seem to work. Though I wonder if the Alfa would launch better by brake torquing it in 2nd as well
Cool about the Alfa is that you get double wishbone front suspension. At BMW you have to buy 5 series upwards for this. But used Giulia QV 6-speeds are nearly 100k! That's crazy for 7 year old cars.
The manual QV is extremely rare, only made at launch for Europe only, then stopped offering the manual almost immediately after launch. Def a future collectors item. All manual sports cars are definetely commanding a premium now, look at the C7 corvette z06/zr1
The Alfa came out when the F80 was still fresh… so it’s cool to see how far the M3/4 has come since then. I’d still have the Bimmer because manual but if the Alfa had a stick, I’d buy that instead. It’s more ✨alive✨
They actually do have the Alfa with a manual (Albeit the earlier model 2017-2020 IIRC). I have the Quad, and honestly, my only qualm is the car is boring... if you were to tune the car then it'd be a riot. But hey, it's better than nothing...
@@AfriqueNY ab-so-lute-ly, yes! Engagement trumps speed, otherwise I’d buy a Model3 Performance, strip it of everything but a seat and destroy them all. But that’s boring
I dont know why some people struggle to launch the Alfa. I have seen some getting the 3.9 to 100 time with ease. That being said, the Alfa is 10 years old next year. What a shame there wont be a replacement with the updated engine that is in the Maserati producing 560hp. That would have been heaven
I would have liked to see one race without launch control just to see what the actual performance difference is rather than the programming difference. I realize that programming and performance are almost one in the same nowadays, but an apples to apples comparison still gives a better idea about relative performance since the launch control already showed it's worth. Still a good clash. I like U-Drag.
@@tinasheroy Giulia came to beat F80 and G80 came to beat Giulia. What is the problem here? None. For 10 years old car it handles quite well against G80, but BMW work regularly on cars and put new models out and Alfa just do nothing. It release a car every 10 years. 2024 Giulia is the same car like it was 10 years ago just with little improvements. No new chassis, no new engine, no new elec. accessories.
@@marcussefala573 Actually both are exactly the same in terms of power and torque, the one with the quickest action time at the start wins the race, it's that simple
Why is it ridiculous? It's not BMW:s fault, Alfa hasn't build the launch control. The M4 would have won even without launch control, it's a much faster car in every sense.
So once again, not sure why the Alfa is going up against a lighter coupe vs it's actual competition, which is the M3, the RS5 and last generation C63. I tested the G80 and the Giulia QV and went with the Giulia. What people don't realize is it actually has the more advanced suspension, meaning in its softer settings its far more comfortable as a daily. It's steering ratio and feeling is superior to the G80, and overall its just a much more engaging drive. If your priority is sheer lap times and you track every weekend, go with BMW. But they're like driving a video game in comparison to the Alfa.
Old cars are always more engaging but almost always slower. If that’s your gig, go buy an e39 m5, it’s way more engaging than the Alfa and it has a naturally aspirated v8. Bottom line is cars are getting heavier with more and more power that means more computer control to meet safety standards. I own a g80. There is no other 4 door on the market (other than an s plaid) that doesn’t need a single bolt on part and can run mid 9 second 1/4 miles and at the end of the day when you lose nobody cares about manuals or engagement… you lose.
@@Bimmer_Bill Are you getting paid for running for mid 9 second quarter miles? Like I can't think of a more boring way to measure a car. You should just ditch the G80 and get an EV if that's what excites you. BMW boy racers are ruining enthusiast cars by encouraging these ridiculous horsepower wars, when less than 10% of G80 owners actually track.
@@Bimmer_BillI think you lost me at the “when you lose” part. Seldom is anyone buying one of these to “win” in any truly competitive environment. These are daily drivers that can be phenomenally quick when you want them to be. No judgment if someone wants to pick one over the other. I have my preference but that doesn’t mean it’ll result in the same choice as another and for a road car I really couldn’t care less what else is marginally faster.
Not sure if anyone noticed but they switched around the exhaust sounds for the M4 and Giula. 2:49 and 2:52 are a couple of examples of this, and there are more throughout the video. Edmunds has done this a number of times in other U-drag videos as well. Don't know why this is the case.
Launch control is everything wrong with our car culture. We care so much about winning, not about enjoyment and our growth / skill. All the skill required is to push the pedal and keep the wheel straight, the car does eveything for you. That's why I prefer the Alfa, that is a driver's car. You need skill to launch it properly, control the power and control the back end and probably it will still not be as fast as a launch control car. But you will feel like you YOU are driving the car, not computers. There is something about controling a 500hp RWD monster which only people who are passionate about driving understand. The rest...well, they just want to brag about numbers. But there is nothing wrong with any car, if you enjoy it.
@@blazesmooth5573 can you also choose to have some feeling in that heavily assisted steering? Could you choose to have an engine which actually sounds good, not pumping sound through the speakers? They have lost their way, E92 M3 was the last true M car. Hope they come back someday.
There seemed to be a mix up with the audio around 4:06 where they show the back of the Alfa and hear the G82 M4 and then show the M4 and hear the Alfa's engine note.
6:19 U guys should not have run the M4 with Launch Control in the second run to be fair to Alfa. It doesn’t have launch control, it would make sense not to use it on the bimmer to make it that much more even.
I never get the carbon ceramic references in relation to performance. No one said they perform dramatically better, the main purpose is circuit racing so they don't get squishy halfway through.
@@osomeric3277 You know that these are cars that Edmund has bought for long term testing, right? Not loaners that are given to them from a manufacturer or someone they know.
I have a Stelvio Qaud and it dose pretty well against the 2025 M2 and a couple of x6 M and X5 Ms inline up with. I’m sure the Awd did help a lot with my Alfa
As an Alfisty owner of a 2018 Q, I have to say that this is typical Alfa Romeo, it does something really good, but gives up quickly, there are no evolutions other than aesthetic changes, there are no new versions (Coupé, SW, Spider), they remain just waiting, not even God know for what... Italians being Italins and Alfa being Alfa 😑
2017 platform with 440~whp vs a 2020 platform with 550~whp - that's really not surprising with the results. Yet it's only faster by 2 seconds around Nurburgring.
Bmw just offers an extremely superior product these days. All across. I love Alfa Romeo but I would probably pick the BMW for the better interior quality and the reliability factor.
The alfa lost the race but still a better car all around. Looks better inside, outside, and when you look under the car, the attention to detail and the materials used. I actually like to look under cars, its one of those places the manufacturer cuts cost.
The Alfa may look better and it has better steering feel but in all other departments it loses to the M4. It's not even in the same class. The worst part of the Quadrifoglio is the reliability or the lack of it. Interior materials better in the Alfa? After 5 years the interior looks like 15 years old.
I can't tell you just how annoying the LC sequence is on BMW M cars. If I'm brake torquing the vehicle, it should be smart enough to detect that I want to engage LC. Simple.
If you thought there was going to be a different outcome than this you don't know anything about the m series BMW's. I really do believe they underrate how much power they really have. They are walking, and sometimes running away from vehicles that by the numbers should beat them.
To beat the Qv, bmw on the g80 had to put a 275 section front tire on, give it -2 degrees of camber, make the suspension overly stiff, and give the "510bhp" engine closer to 550 hp. Leave that sink in..... The qv is a far superior road car , it's double wishbone suspension set up is a far more advanced than bmw mcphersons strut set up, the Alfa has beautiful steering, beautifully balanced chassis that flows not chars and oceans of power
I’m sorry y’all can have the QV give me that m4 comp. Great handling, insane grip, acceleration is ridiculous, oh yea and the interior is night and day from the QV.
There's nothing wrong with that CF brakes on the M4. There's zero advantage on the breaking on a drag race. Actually, steel brakes are probably better for this scenario.
Just to clarify. We are watching a facelift of a 10 year old sedan without Launch Control against a 2 Year old coupè with launch control. The Giulia wqs made to compete with the F80 wich absolutely destroyed. Before commenting consider this.
@@Lello75-ww7ib well isnt that the purpose of a new Generation car ? 😂 The BMW M4/M3 is the benchmark in this Segment. The other Cars are trying to beat the M4. Not the other way round.
@@_carfreak_2812 Its the other way around. The other cars where supposed to compete with the F80 not the G80. We need to wait until an ALL new car launches.
@@Lello75-ww7ib everything i said was, that it is logical, that the new M4 is faster, since it’s the new Generation. What is wrong about that ? And the new M4 is the Benchmark in this Segment now, which the other cars will try to beat. If there will be a successor of the Giulia QV from Alfa Romeo at all.
Mmm, i think the right competition for M4 competition is the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quad GTA. Not the stock Giulia that one competes with the base M4. Still think the base M4 is faster than base Giulia. Just because of technology, but it's close. Personally will still pick an Alfa just because I do enjoy driving. And yes I used to worship BMW, but made the mistake of getting into an E30. That thing is raw. Completely ruined every modern bimmer for me.
Yeah except for being as enjoyable to drive. BMWs are faster at a track, but they achieved this through just stiffening suspension. Alfa has much more advanced suspension geometry meaning its actually comfortable. The steering feel and ratio is also miles ahead of BMW. Hands down in nearly every enthusiast review, the Alfa is picked over BMWs for sheer driving engagement. It's a real driver's car, not a driving simulation.
@@AP-cc1uwin your opinion. Also the Alfa is so much older and I’d push back on more sophisticated suspension geometry statements. Can you back that up?
It was like watching someone set up a new phone watching the launch control. No real world use ability with all the power tech. You really gonna do all that getting off the line. And when do you get to let loose 500 bhp when you're not on a track. I'll take the more simple, more beautiful Alfa anyday and enjoy the cruise there.
I am alfa QV owner and The Giorgio platform was created to battle THE BMW F80 not the new Generation of BMW ...my alfa is not tech car but has a Ferrari Engine and the finest and history of Alfa romeo.....
Motore ALFA ROMEO 690T.......non Ferrari, il responsabile ricerca e sviluppo motori ALFA ROMEO S.P.A. Gianluca Pivetti ha avuto un passato in Ferrari e Stop......il progetto è totalmente ALFA ROMEO partito da zero, il V6 BI-TURBO ALFA ROMEO è un motore atipico perché non è un vero e proprio sei cilindri a V, ma si tratta di due bancate tre cilindri a formare un sei cilindri a V. Se mai è l'incontrario, altro che ferrari, ALFA ROMEO l'ha inventato, progettato e costruito!!!!!
I just don't think Alfa cares about drag times or punching a bunch of buttons at a stoplight to get a win. You buy the Alfa for its styling and handling and putting a smile on your face.
@@norwegianblue2017 I've never touched anything like it, but you can tell it's a nimble drivers car. Too bad I've heard that they'e aren't reliable. I've only seen a couple of them on the road years ago.
@@Pia-ho9dmyea they aren’t too reliable. You can fix the reliability by adding newer batteries, the stock battery is so bad I can’t even fathom how much of a gremlin it is. Usually people who changed the battery got 90% of their reliability issues fixed.
@@Pia-ho9dm The reliability thing was only for the first two years of production. They actually rate dead average for reliability. I've seen several videos from mechanics all around the world and they all say that they are fairly easy to work on and well built. And these were on cars that were as much as seven years old. Parts and labor will cost you less on an Alpha than a BMW, which are hardly bastions of reliability. I will admit that most of those reviews were for the four cylinder, since that is what most people buy.
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On paper, these two rear-wheel-drive sports cars look pretty evenly matched. Did this one end up how you thought it would? Let us know in the comments.
@@edmundscars exactly how I thought. I haven't seen any BMW model lose to a gas powered competitor yet. Actually. Wait. The black wing.
Yup, launch control vs no launch control ended pretty much how one would expect
Not to mention, I’m pretty sure BMW states hp to the wheels 😂
BMW understates their vehicles’ HP and this is coming from a F90 M5 Comp owner.
No launch control not a even race
I'm still picking the Alfa.
Cool story bro! 😂😂😂😂
H3ll NO LOL
@@JXiong-zo8ig If you like driving there is no comparison. The Giulias steering, chassis dynamics, and character is on a different level. If you care about technology, acceleration, and interior quality the BMW is for you.
at least while it's under warranty
I'd still take the Alfa over the Beemer: I don't care how good the BMW is, I could never live with those looks, whereas the Alfa is just simply stunning. At the end of the day, it's how the car makes you feel, and the Alfa would make me tingle every time I just looked at it.
My company wants me to buy a new car and I tried to love the new M3, but it has no soul. No emotional hook. My 2018 QV makes me feel lucky every day. A rare feat.
@@kevind2760lol
@@kevind2760 haha what?
@@kevind2760100% real talk
@@tinasheroyyeah there’s nothing like those Giulia
No launch control man. That race was over before it started.
They should've done another race without launch control
I agree … LC makes a big difference
Exactly, waste of time race! They should of both started not using launch control.
@@ashykings most people don't even routine use launch control at red lights in real life.
I'd still pick the Alfa all day long, everytime! 🇮🇹🍀🏎️🐍
It's not that the Alfa is slow. It's that an M4 Comp is just mental.
Yeah, they should have brought out the GTAM. That's the real competitor to the M4 competition. Still the M4 would have won, but it would be much much closer.
Chrysler vs an actual sports car
The alfa is really not that quick at all actually 😕
It's Alfa, NOT Alpha.
@@JorgeCabrera-zh7yr It's Alfa, NOT Alpha.
"M4 Competition" coupe should race against a "Giulia GTAm" instead of a ten years old Quadrifoglio sedan....
the GTAM is also basically 10 years old. Same tech, sligh sligh engine tweaks and a bit less weight. People dont realize how close this race was, when you consider alfa has zero launch control. its not a car to race from a dig. get it moving first.....
and then the CSL ?
The Alfa was created to defeat the F80, which it did. This is an entirely new generation BMW
this is the new version of the Giulia, so no excuses
@@chad_3894 no excuses, simply facts. This isn’t a “new version.” It’s essentially the same Alfa Romeo since its debut. The G82 is a completely different BMW than the F80/2. Different motor, more powerful, completely different body, different chassis. Totally different cars.
Didnt beat the f80 lci man stop the crap
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 Carwow, car and driver, Motorsport magazine all have the quadrifoglio beating the F80. Top gear pitted them against each other and chose the Quadrifoglio over the F80. If you want to argue, go take it up with the pros.
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 it did... BMW always gets beaten until they go do their homework. Cadillac ctsv beat them too lol Genesis G70 beat the 3 series too until BMW always comes back with a different platform 😂
Alfa. If you like to drive it is simple. One day, one drive, one moment for all eternity and nothing compares to the alfa. If you want 300,000mi of a comfy computer driving commuter, then the bmw. The bmw is faster. If you want something that can pull you out of suicidal depression the alfa is it. Simple.
The BMW is not comfy. Worst suspension ever for real-world driving. The Alfa will never be repeated, and is truly epic.
Why don't u guys tried both of them without LC? Out In the real world no one has the time to use those fancy launch controls
That's a good point.
Agree. Tried to do a launch control in my golf R at a light and didn't have enough time lol
I was wondering this during the video. Who uses launch control in the real world. Is it just some gimmick to impress journalists.
My bro's Audi has paddle shifters he never uses..
@@HarryTwatter😂😂😂 this is funny
The launch control is simple in these. I have M2 button programmed. Hit the button twice & Step on the brake. Ready to go. Xdrive is the only way to go with M3/M4
Anyone who picks the alfa is just a better car enthusiast. Bmw drivers are really something else
Shushhhhhh
Your opinion is based on nothing at all and that's a rare feat, well done😂
You must love extreme unreliability
@@EmekaIheanacho-jc5tdhave you ever really owned a bmw. Smh.
@@carpro3690bored me to death 😊
Alfa has better steering by far
Agreed. Not even in question.
Your comment on the adaptive cruise control hit home. When I got my '22 M550i, I had assumed it came with the car...nope, you gotta buy another package to put that on your $85k car. Seriously!?! Even my 2012 Dodge Charger and my wife's 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee had that.
Both fast, both head turners, both a joy to drive.
Both fast, one makes you vomit in disgust the other turns your head only one a joy to drive.
I fixed it for you.
Racing a new gen M4 against a car that came out 10 years ago is hardly fair. When the alfa came out it done what it was intended to do
The big difference between this two is the lack of launch control on the Alfa. What if you guys do one shot without the launch in the M4? I know, time has passed, but i think it would be interesting to watch. Cheers!
very few of these dimwits understand this
Love both cars. Alfa is clearly the car for real drivers that get it.
Is that what you tell yourself?
@@tinasheroy as someone who has owned BMWs and Alfas, yes. The Alfa is superior in looks and handling all day. Go drive one and realize you’ve been huffing on copium too long like I was.
@@Smoking_Lofi Haha the alfa, handling superior than the g82? Sure, you really have owned BMWs and Alfas Mr I am a real driver.
@@tinasheroy I don’t know how to help you, bro. You’re coping hard.
@@Smoking_Lofi You can't offer help if you need it more Mr "real driver"
@Edmunds id like to see the Alfa up against a CT4 Blackwing. I think that would be a good race. The M4 and the CT5 is out of the Alfa league.
Good redemption video from last week. Now, compare the Alfa to a ATS V errr CT4 V Blackwind. Thank you kindly.
The RWD M3/4 does its launch control in 2nd gear, which does seem to work. Though I wonder if the Alfa would launch better by brake torquing it in 2nd as well
Cool about the Alfa is that you get double wishbone front suspension. At BMW you have to buy 5 series upwards for this.
But used Giulia QV 6-speeds are nearly 100k! That's crazy for 7 year old cars.
The manual QV is extremely rare, only made at launch for Europe only, then stopped offering the manual almost immediately after launch. Def a future collectors item. All manual sports cars are definetely commanding a premium now, look at the C7 corvette z06/zr1
Not just any double wishbone, it is a patented design.
@@legacy404 Only around 600 were made I believe.
I suspect Munich horses might be slightly larger than Turin horses... as is the case with most BMW power ratings.
Alfa probably makes 500 to the crank while the M4 we know makes 500 to the tire
Ignore the hate on here. Keep up the content. I always like to ask “well exactly how much faster is an m4 than an Alfa QV?” Not “which is faster?”
The Alfa came out when the F80 was still fresh… so it’s cool to see how far the M3/4 has come since then.
I’d still have the Bimmer because manual but if the Alfa had a stick, I’d buy that instead. It’s more ✨alive✨
Is slower another word for "alive"?
They actually do have the Alfa with a manual (Albeit the earlier model 2017-2020 IIRC). I have the Quad, and honestly, my only qualm is the car is boring... if you were to tune the car then it'd be a riot. But hey, it's better than nothing...
@@AfriqueNY ab-so-lute-ly, yes! Engagement trumps speed, otherwise I’d buy a Model3 Performance, strip it of everything but a seat and destroy them all. But that’s boring
@@CtRacerX not in the US (where this was filmed) though. Only ZF8 the entirety of its life
@@AfriqueNYis faster another word for boring?
Edmunds cars are on fire with these tests!!
The Alfa is a lion, majestic, poised and powerful.
I dont know why some people struggle to launch the Alfa. I have seen some getting the 3.9 to 100 time with ease. That being said, the Alfa is 10 years old next year. What a shame there wont be a replacement with the updated engine that is in the Maserati producing 560hp. That would have been heaven
I'd like to see you guys use more X Drive BMWs. Fastest in a straight line for sure, but they're also nearly 200 pounds heavier.
I would have liked to see one race without launch control just to see what the actual performance difference is rather than the programming difference. I realize that programming and performance are almost one in the same nowadays, but an apples to apples comparison still gives a better idea about relative performance since the launch control already showed it's worth. Still a good clash. I like U-Drag.
Notice how the M4 keeps on pulling away. It would have been a decisive victory even without launch control.
Alfa Romeo fan fighter for the life in the comments lol
It was built to beat the F80 which it did and ran laps around it. The G80 is definitely on another level for sure.
@@a.quintero8373 So it was built to beat a car that came out before it? That's not remotely impressive at all
@@tinasheroy Giulia came to beat F80 and G80 came to beat Giulia. What is the problem here? None. For 10 years old car it handles quite well against G80, but BMW work regularly on cars and put new models out and Alfa just do nothing. It release a car every 10 years. 2024 Giulia is the same car like it was 10 years ago just with little improvements. No new chassis, no new engine, no new elec. accessories.
@@bernymonty22 what did I say that you’re arguing against? Can you read?
No one of them really drove it.
the giulia quadrifoglio is a real pain to launch. super inconsistent but at my best numbers i’ve matched the m4’s quarter mile and 0-60 time in mine
It's ridiculous, it's not fair for BMW to start the race using Launch Control while Alfa Romeo doesn't have Launch Control.
Why it doesn't have it?
@@Deki757 Launch control system is not available on Giulia and Stelvio QV models
I think the Alfa would've still lost, that G80/82 is just too good
@@marcussefala573 Actually both are exactly the same in terms of power and torque, the one with the quickest action time at the start wins the race, it's that simple
Why is it ridiculous? It's not BMW:s fault, Alfa hasn't build the launch control. The M4 would have won even without launch control, it's a much faster car in every sense.
So once again, not sure why the Alfa is going up against a lighter coupe vs it's actual competition, which is the M3, the RS5 and last generation C63. I tested the G80 and the Giulia QV and went with the Giulia. What people don't realize is it actually has the more advanced suspension, meaning in its softer settings its far more comfortable as a daily. It's steering ratio and feeling is superior to the G80, and overall its just a much more engaging drive. If your priority is sheer lap times and you track every weekend, go with BMW. But they're like driving a video game in comparison to the Alfa.
Old cars are always more engaging but almost always slower. If that’s your gig, go buy an e39 m5, it’s way more engaging than the Alfa and it has a naturally aspirated v8. Bottom line is cars are getting heavier with more and more power that means more computer control to meet safety standards. I own a g80. There is no other 4 door on the market (other than an s plaid) that doesn’t need a single bolt on part and can run mid 9 second 1/4 miles and at the end of the day when you lose nobody cares about manuals or engagement… you lose.
exactly
@@Bimmer_Bill Are you getting paid for running for mid 9 second quarter miles? Like I can't think of a more boring way to measure a car. You should just ditch the G80 and get an EV if that's what excites you. BMW boy racers are ruining enthusiast cars by encouraging these ridiculous horsepower wars, when less than 10% of G80 owners actually track.
@@Bimmer_BillI think you lost me at the “when you lose” part. Seldom is anyone buying one of these to “win” in any truly competitive environment. These are daily drivers that can be phenomenally quick when you want them to be. No judgment if someone wants to pick one over the other. I have my preference but that doesn’t mean it’ll result in the same choice as another and for a road car I really couldn’t care less what else is marginally faster.
Ur lucky they never use the xdrive m4 bud. Be happy it didn't get embarrassed that bad.
love that you guys put the power to weight ratio.
Not sure if anyone noticed but they switched around the exhaust sounds for the M4 and Giula. 2:49 and 2:52 are a couple of examples of this, and there are more throughout the video. Edmunds has done this a number of times in other U-drag videos as well. Don't know why this is the case.
What I don't understand is if you've tested both these cars before and already have the numbers, why would you be surprised at the results?
Launch control is everything wrong with our car culture. We care so much about winning, not about enjoyment and our growth / skill. All the skill required is to push the pedal and keep the wheel straight, the car does eveything for you. That's why I prefer the Alfa, that is a driver's car. You need skill to launch it properly, control the power and control the back end and probably it will still not be as fast as a launch control car. But you will feel like you YOU are driving the car, not computers. There is something about controling a 500hp RWD monster which only people who are passionate about driving understand. The rest...well, they just want to brag about numbers.
But there is nothing wrong with any car, if you enjoy it.
U can choose not to use launch control, the bmw will do everything u were just drooling about
@@blazesmooth5573 can you also choose to have some feeling in that heavily assisted steering? Could you choose to have an engine which actually sounds good, not pumping sound through the speakers? They have lost their way, E92 M3 was the last true M car. Hope they come back someday.
Bang on!
100%. launch control is a good way to capture the intellectual midgets, and faux car fans.
There seemed to be a mix up with the audio around 4:06 where they show the back of the Alfa and hear the G82 M4 and then show the M4 and hear the Alfa's engine note.
A U roll from 40mph 2nd gear would be a good video too👌🏾
Next they will do a drag race with the G82 and the Alfa 159
6:19 U guys should not have run the M4 with Launch Control in the second run to be fair to Alfa. It doesn’t have launch control, it would make sense not to use it on the bimmer to make it that much more even.
These are the best drag races on youtube but they really need better drivers
I never get the carbon ceramic references in relation to performance. No one said they perform dramatically better, the main purpose is circuit racing so they don't get squishy halfway through.
🤔 Maybe the Alfa GTA and BMW M4 Comp is a more interesting match?
Except they are clowns 🤡
*m4 comp XDRIVE enters chat*
🤔Maybe the Alfa GTA and BMW M4 CSL is a more interesting match?
@@osomeric3277 You know that these are cars that Edmund has bought for long term testing, right? Not loaners that are given to them from a manufacturer or someone they know.
Nope
Putting a recent BMW model vs a 2016 Alfa ?
I DEMAND a redo. It's much closer than that.
The BMW M4 has more than 503HP. I just saw it dynoed over 600. The race results makes more sense with that power differential.
I have a Stelvio Qaud and it dose pretty well against the 2025 M2 and a couple of x6 M and X5 Ms inline up with. I’m sure the Awd did help a lot with my Alfa
You guys need to do these with a large variety of cars. Not just new ones
In the second run why were you manually shifting if you used launch control? (It’s shifts itself for the fastest times)
As an Alfisty owner of a 2018 Q, I have to say that this is typical Alfa Romeo, it does something really good, but gives up quickly, there are no evolutions other than aesthetic changes, there are no new versions (Coupé, SW, Spider), they remain just waiting, not even God know for what...
Italians being Italins and Alfa being Alfa 😑
A lot of these videos, the races aren't even close. Can we try to get some cars that are comprible to race against each other?
Cannot wait for the c8 zr1....not many cars going to be level with that
I kind of recall a moment in time when the Giulia Quad was the fastest car in the segment....talk about moving targets.
2017 platform with 440~whp vs a 2020 platform with 550~whp - that's really not surprising with the results.
Yet it's only faster by 2 seconds around Nurburgring.
I must admit as a G80 M3 CX owner, I'm not sure why this was a race unless you used a RWD auto car as a better marker.
Funny how they always compare it to the M4 Competition (which comes with more power) and never the standard M4/M3
No matter what any drag race results are, for me the Alfa always wins.
Bmw just offers an extremely superior product these days. All across.
I love Alfa Romeo but I would probably pick the BMW for the better interior quality and the reliability factor.
Do a Tesla plaid vs anything. Interesting to see the lack of cornering vs acceleration. 👍🏼
Still would pick the Alfa. It looks unique and you rarely see them.
2nd guy in the bmw doesn’t know it shifts up automatically after its been in launch mode
I have the Giulia QV of 2022 and it’s simply fantastic. I love my car. I keep my Alfa, you can get the bmw. 😃
When BMW's Claimed power is Real power.
Who would have thought I lived long enough to see a M3/4 stickered at over $100K for a high production mid range model lol
The alfa lost the race but still a better car all around. Looks better inside, outside, and when you look under the car, the attention to detail and the materials used. I actually like to look under cars, its one of those places the manufacturer cuts cost.
Are you talking about the aero?
The Alfa may look better and it has better steering feel but in all other departments it loses to the M4. It's not even in the same class. The worst part of the Quadrifoglio is the reliability or the lack of it. Interior materials better in the Alfa? After 5 years the interior looks like 15 years old.
Blowing the apex at the u-turn is killing the exit of both cars. Try an early apex 4ft to the inssdeof the bollaards.
Launch control - if the Alfa had launch control.. makes a big difference.. I’d take the Alfa..
I can't tell you just how annoying the LC sequence is on BMW M cars. If I'm brake torquing the vehicle, it should be smart enough to detect that I want to engage LC. Simple.
That is progress for you
If you thought there was going to be a different outcome than this you don't know anything about the m series BMW's. I really do believe they underrate how much power they really have. They are walking, and sometimes running away from vehicles that by the numbers should beat them.
The power of the S58 engine
Getting a bad start made this a bigger embarrassment for Alfa than it should have been.
I'd love to see a new Mustang GT with an auto vs a Challenger 392.
To beat the Qv, bmw on the g80 had to put a 275 section front tire on, give it -2 degrees of camber, make the suspension overly stiff, and give the "510bhp" engine closer to 550 hp. Leave that sink in.....
The qv is a far superior road car , it's double wishbone suspension set up is a far more advanced than bmw mcphersons strut set up, the Alfa has beautiful steering, beautifully balanced chassis that flows not chars and oceans of power
If you're going to call it a race, get the M3 comp xdrive. Takes a full second off the 0-60 and quarter mile time. Nobody has a RWD comp.
Just curious why they didn’t do a rolling start race from 10-20mph just to see how much of a factor the lc did for the bmw
The reason you found the Alfa’s brakes to have poor modulation is because Alfa uses brake by wire.
Put the Alfa against M340xi that should be close
I’m sorry y’all can have the QV give me that m4 comp. Great handling, insane grip, acceleration is ridiculous, oh yea and the interior is night and day from the QV.
Let's face it. The little guy is the best driver.
Bro,where did you guys your performance figures? The Alfa is lighter than current M4 at 1655 kg / 3649 lbs and the M4 at 1700 kg / 3748 lbs.
There's nothing wrong with that CF brakes on the M4. There's zero advantage on the breaking on a drag race. Actually, steel brakes are probably better for this scenario.
Just to clarify. We are watching a facelift of a 10 year old sedan without Launch Control against a 2 Year old coupè with launch control. The Giulia wqs made to compete with the F80 wich absolutely destroyed. Before commenting consider this.
Yes. And the new M4 Competition is BMWs revenge. The new M4 competition was build to destroy any other car in that class. Which it did successfull.
@@_carfreak_2812 Yes. But it destroyed all cars that were meant to beat the older generations.
@@Lello75-ww7ib well isnt that the purpose of a new Generation car ? 😂 The BMW M4/M3 is the benchmark in this Segment. The other Cars are trying to beat the M4. Not the other way round.
@@_carfreak_2812 Its the other way around. The other cars where supposed to compete with the F80 not the G80. We need to wait until an ALL new car launches.
@@Lello75-ww7ib everything i said was, that it is logical, that the new M4 is faster, since it’s the new Generation. What is wrong about that ? And the new M4 is the Benchmark in this Segment now, which the other cars will try to beat. If there will be a successor of the Giulia QV from Alfa Romeo at all.
Mmm, i think the right competition for M4 competition is the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quad GTA. Not the stock Giulia that one competes with the base M4.
Still think the base M4 is faster than base Giulia. Just because of technology, but it's close.
Personally will still pick an Alfa just because I do enjoy driving. And yes I used to worship BMW, but made the mistake of getting into an E30. That thing is raw. Completely ruined every modern bimmer for me.
GTA costs maybe 3 m4 competitions combined
The M4 just does everything better. Sorry Alfa lovers…
Wait for Alfa Fan Boys
True, just not looking better and sounding better
@@evaristocorripio5434 but more reliable. New BMW’s are just built different
Yeah except for being as enjoyable to drive. BMWs are faster at a track, but they achieved this through just stiffening suspension. Alfa has much more advanced suspension geometry meaning its actually comfortable. The steering feel and ratio is also miles ahead of BMW. Hands down in nearly every enthusiast review, the Alfa is picked over BMWs for sheer driving engagement. It's a real driver's car, not a driving simulation.
@@AP-cc1uwin your opinion. Also the Alfa is so much older and I’d push back on more sophisticated suspension geometry statements. Can you back that up?
If the tires were similar tires in the big factor, the result would not be so different.
Should have done a race without Launch control
BMW lying on their power figures, AS ALWAYS!
You've had to race them both without launch control at least one time.
It was like watching someone set up a new phone watching the launch control. No real world use ability with all the power tech. You really gonna do all that getting off the line. And when do you get to let loose 500 bhp when you're not on a track. I'll take the more simple, more beautiful Alfa anyday and enjoy the cruise there.
That's not the 2024 Quadrifoglio. That's the 2016!
I am alfa QV owner and
The Giorgio platform was created to battle THE BMW F80 not the new Generation of BMW ...my alfa is not tech car but has a Ferrari Engine and the finest and history of Alfa romeo.....
Motore ALFA ROMEO 690T.......non Ferrari, il responsabile ricerca e sviluppo motori ALFA ROMEO S.P.A. Gianluca Pivetti ha avuto un passato in Ferrari e Stop......il progetto è totalmente ALFA ROMEO partito da zero, il V6 BI-TURBO ALFA ROMEO è un motore atipico perché non è un vero e proprio sei cilindri a V, ma si tratta di due bancate tre cilindri a formare un sei cilindri a V. Se mai è l'incontrario, altro che ferrari, ALFA ROMEO l'ha inventato, progettato e costruito!!!!!
The crazything that u can get an alfa gulia quadafolio for under 35k however the m4 is 50k
Let’s see a 1st gen Brz vs a 87i rocz
Alfa in that race faster at 1.5s than in previous race
Wow, no launch control system in a modern super saloon?
I just don't think Alfa cares about drag times or punching a bunch of buttons at a stoplight to get a win. You buy the Alfa for its styling and handling and putting a smile on your face.
@@norwegianblue2017 true
@@norwegianblue2017 I've never touched anything like it, but you can tell it's a nimble drivers car. Too bad I've heard that they'e aren't reliable. I've only seen a couple of them on the road years ago.
@@Pia-ho9dmyea they aren’t too reliable. You can fix the reliability by adding newer batteries, the stock battery is so bad I can’t even fathom how much of a gremlin it is. Usually people who changed the battery got 90% of their reliability issues fixed.
@@Pia-ho9dm The reliability thing was only for the first two years of production. They actually rate dead average for reliability. I've seen several videos from mechanics all around the world and they all say that they are fairly easy to work on and well built. And these were on cars that were as much as seven years old. Parts and labor will cost you less on an Alpha than a BMW, which are hardly bastions of reliability. I will admit that most of those reviews were for the four cylinder, since that is what most people buy.
The Alfa needs to stick with the CT BW U-drag! It doesn't have any upgrades.
I think it's better to compare that Alfa Romeo to M2
The GTAM would of been more fair or you should of used the standard M4