2023 BMW M3 Competition vs Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio vs Chevy Camaro ZL. Drag and Roll Race
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- 2023 BMW M3 Competition vs Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio vs Chevy Camaro ZL. Drag and Roll Race
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Sam!! I’m loving the channel! “LET’S ROLL!!” Gets me very time!! ❤❤❤
I love the Giulia. Win or lose, that car is not only beautiful, but it's somethung else to drive.
yeah but to be honest the guilia quadrifoglio does need traction off for drag races or else it will limit the power output enormeus....but well
And you will love the Giulia even more after the next hard turn. Not sure about the Camaro.
Are you implying the Camaro especially a ZL1 can’t handle? I think you should check lap times for both,even just the SS puts down great numbers. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Alfa and loved it when it originally came out but it’s been to damn long and barely anything changed. Forget a refresh or horsepower bump,needs a whole new refresh.
@@larryzeldin7561 The Giulia is definitely getting long in the tooth.
talking about the m3 here not the camaro@@larryzeldin7561
STOP SHIFTING USING THE PADDLES, LET THE CARS SHIFT ON THEIR OWN. YOU ARE SKEWING THE RACE RESULTS EVERY TIME!
Yup. I definitely know in 10-speed cars the car upshifts faster than a PDK when in automatic mode and in the sportiest setting. Doing it manually is 100% slower even if you have perfectly timed shifts.
The Giulia is beautiful.
It's frustrating to see people not know how to race automatics in roll racing. You start in manual mode to hold desired gear. Once race is on, you switch to automatic so the car shifts the quickest and at optimal RPM.
It’s not rocket science and he never does it
😢 the races are so skewed. The zl1 would have put a football field on the Alfa if don’t correctly lol
@@anthonysaquatics4359 Have you ever driven a giulia quadrifoglio? It’s the best.
You can also leave it in auto and blip the throttle in the ZL1. It'll change to performance shifting and downshift to the sutible gear on its own.
@@lauzagna Yep, but u have to be in that mode before the pull reduce the delay. Also, he didn't even know about the actual Performance Mode.. double tap on the traction button to enter whole in Sport or Track. Sigh...
Loved seeing the Alfa in general especially up against a ZL1. Not bad for 150 hp difference. Another great upload! 👍🏼👍🏼
yeah, the thrid roll in auto the zl1 was asleep he did not know what to do, xdrive did the buisness the m3 smashed the camaro
That’s a ZL1 1LE. Too bad he didn’t have a regular ZL1. The top end is must faster than this one.
@geraldfoley4121 I mean if you want the ultimate top of the line the 1le would be it
@@chrism869slower in straight line
@@invalidusername_5101 the Alfa is RWD
Just proves, you can't believe what BMW claims. 0-60 in 2.8 seconds, stock, is unreal. The G80 M3 competition Xdrive is a beast. I love ours.
Well it’s European measurement: meaning not 0-60 but 0-62 (100kph) and NO rollout. Add that on it and you will exactly what bmw claims
@@matzepizzaheld8541 All I hear is a lot of coping
@matzepizzaheld8541 BMW USA claimed that the M3 Xdrive will do 0-60 MPH in 3.4 seconds, and the quarter mile in 11.9 seconds.
They are absolutely underratting their car performance by a big margin.
Those ratings bmw advertise are for comfort mode not sport+ because sport+ is meant for track and comfort is what you drive around in mostly.
@hassanger8128 yeah, totally, pepole have seen 2.8 sec to 60 and low 11s ,bmw lying once again, typical germans
Premieres are whack, just drop the videos , lol
You can pay for the subscription monthly and get early access to the videos.
The videos themselves are wack now too lol. This channel is falling off….weird matchups, shitty drivers, shitty camera angles. Thank god CarWow and Auto Glory exist 🤣.
@@NS416 no
Only idiots would pay for these videos.
@@navoj-fm4195 then wait lol easy
That fucking zl1 is crazy impressive. 3.3 seconds on a unprepared surface? Rwd and front engine…that’s crazy
Man! What a difference the X Drive made on the M3. Great stuff as always, Sam!
Agreed!
I have a G82 M4C and when you put it into rear wheel drive mode I swear it feels like the car has less power. I don't know if this is a psychological trick on my butt speedodometer or BWM retards the power a bit. You do have to have stability control off for 2 wheel drive. Anyway, yes you're right, xdrive makes an enormous difference from a dig.
yes, as expected, it decimated the camaro
@@chrism869but roll races matter way more then LAUNCHING from a dig..
@roboticvenom1935 I guess that's true, but an m3 would be a closer rival than the gulia, m3 hp is always underestimated, it makes like 550
Still will pick Alfa! Very rare and stands out the most.
Yep, buy the worst quality and worst preforming car of the bunch simply because it’s rare. You do know why it’s rare right? Because mostly clowns looking for attention or to be different buy them. 😂 I love the Alfa dont get me wrong, but buying it because it’s rare is such an illogical thing to do. And the reason it stands out is because most people hate it’s Dorito nose. Even though I quite like it.
@@Sikeslikescars are you okay? Do you need some Mental Health services?
@Sikeslikescars woah, it's not bad quality by any means, I mean compared to the camaro it is similar in quality I would say, pepole say oh handling is great but quality is totally dogshit, I don't agree with that.
Ngl I have a stelvio and I’m thinking about staying away… for my next car
@@chrism869I have a stelvio I can agree the quality could be better….
Great comparison. Props to the ZL1 given its power and only RWD.
RWD is actually an advantage in a rolling race! It's only a disadvantage in a drag race. So it was not ggod.
@@markbrix9385 the ZL1 won every roll race.
A rear wheel drive M3 would be lighter and better in a roll race. So the BMW has to be appreciated on how it slaughters in the AWD mode and still does decent in the roll races.
@@hotrod182a rwd m3 launches terribly though, the zl1 going 3.3 seconds rwd on a non prepped surface is kind of crazy and unexpected
all talk about power. its the new transmissions yo. 7, 8, 9, 10 gear autos with lightning quick shifts.
The Zl1 1LE isn't a great comparison because it's the track version which has tons of extra downforce and is not tuned for straight line speed, the normal ZL1 is a little bit quicker in drag races and cheaper too.
The regular zl1 in my opinion is the one to get.
The 1le is overkill and loses mag ride.
I agree , the non-1LE could do better
One of the best drag races on this channel in my opinion. Thanks Sam and to all the drivers.
Could you imagine what type of Camaros we would have if not for the Corvette?
Wow! That M3 is a beast!
Alfa is better 🇮🇹🤌
@@Kuzman_007 as i see worse
@@subkarpaty Alfa is better than the m3 and the c63. Test drive all 3 of them and the best driving car will be the Alfa
M3 is on another Level! Alpha Romeo did it's thing.
M3 is a beast but i prefer a beauty 🇮🇹
Alfa not alpha!
That S58 is a monster of a motor.
I think the zl1 is one of the best sounding modern cars from inside the cabin.
Outside as well! 👍🏼
The V3 sounds virtually the same.
The w204 c63 sounds miles ahead better
That 10 speed shifts like a DCT very impressive
Isn’t it a DCT ?
@@slicelol1463 no
Actually the 10-speed upshifts faster than Porsches PDK when first revealed. 10-speed is probably the fasting shifting automatic trans with real gears. Almost feels like a CVT at times with how fast it shifts and how close the gears are.
That ZL1 up top is booking. What a great car for the money. Such a great track car too. Great trio of cars.
That 10 speed auto keeps that engine right in the nest of its power band
Throw it in 2nd and on the hit put it back in drive and let the ZL1 EAT
Easier way is to just blip the throttle to the floor and it'll put it in performance shift mode.
I've had both the ZL1 and the QV. The ZL1 always felt like it was on a different level due to the supercharged V8. It was a lot more fun around town due to that instant low torque. So you could play around at part throttle without being crazy. The Alfa needed to stretch it's legs. So to have fun, you really had to be going a lot harder. It was SUCH a gorgeous car though. They're a pain to mod and the electronics can be a little finicky.
I've been on the fence about getting a new M3 Comp Xdrive though. Simple stage 2 mods put these things in the 9's which is insane. Room for the family and the interior feels the part for the price.
Would you recommend getting a QV?
In England for 12000$ you can up to 750hp without any problems on engine or gearbox. You can find video of this M3 in carwow chanel . Its insane , make 10.2 in 1/4.
@@allan2466 Absolutely! Especially with the current used market on them. The stereo is mediocre as well as the infotainment but as far as a fun daily driver, it's hard to beat. The JB4 tuner really woke it up.
Stage 2 does not put m3's in the 9's.
You're an absolute melon for believing such stupidity
@@kermitpurcell6432don't try the HK system on the m3 it's so woeful
M3 @ 2.8s is insane!
That is fake numbers or a mistake , BMW itself claimed it is 3.4 with X-drivers , the Camaro is 4s not 3.2 s too , both drivers launched pretty slow , POV : they can’t launch their cars
I was so pumped to see this video and it didn’t disappoint! Great races!! Love seeing the ZL1 and would love to see more with the Alfa!
More to come!
I own a 2023 6spd manual ZL1 and I can tell you it really is that freaking fast! But launching it is definitely a handful!
Yeah was surprised he got this off so fast considering.. but it was an automatic.
Drag radials. Something you NEVER see on Not ONE of the cars on these videos. Kinda ridiculous.
been a proud subscriber for years! love the videos sam, keep them coming :)
Thanks a ton!
That x drive M3/4 is a monster. Launches so hard. 😅
That's crazy that going X-drive (AWD) cut over a half second of the 1/4 mile for the M3. All three cars would be fun regardless.
Why are y'all surprised
If it was a mile race, well ZL1 would have no competition in this lineup
@@maverickphantom005 find me a mile long drag strip you go to
@maverickphantom005 That bmw m3 engine easily has the potential to be 1000+ hp
I think there is alot of delay on M3 transmission shifting, is it on the sportiest mode ?
Nice cars ❤, nice racers 🎉. Thanks Sam 😊!
Glad you like them!
Probably ZL1 in roll races and M3 in dig ones!
Great video!!
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS 💪
I appreciate that!
That Alfa is so impressive. Basically matches M3 RWD performance and drives much better and sounds so much better
it doesn't drive better. It's much slower on a track. Soundwise I agree. But as a performance car the BMW is superior.
@@peterhammer6915 it literally destroyed the m3 on the nurburgring 😂😂😂
It handles better in terms of feel, dynamics, engagement, fun. It's not even close.
@@BmwAlfa123 with semislicks which are unusable in normal driving
@@peterhammer6915 wrong again. You must have read a fake internet article starting they were semi slicks
The Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio needs a better driver. The car have 505hp. That car will run way quicker.
Better driver? It's an auto 😂😂
Great races as always, Sam. Would have liked to see roll and drag races with the Alfa vs. the BMW, though.
Next time!
I mean, We all know who's gonna win, the bmw obviousy
The only reason the BMW has rear wheel drive mode is to do donuts‼️💯
Vita_in_macchina here! I know that feeling behind the ZL1!! Awesome Sam!🔥🔥💪🏼💪🏼
M3 wasn't beaten by the Camaro even in RWD mode (1st dig race)! It could also keep up with Camaro in 70 km/h Rolling run!!! 3.0L vs 6.2L !!! That's insane!!!
maybe insane if you like bmws
@@prefescent4460 Mind reading is quite common these days!
Wow what a fanboy
S58 engine is 🔥
And the M3’s engine is a mere flash tune away from 800 hp dyno verified. They’re running sub 9.5 now on stock engines, stock turbos, full weight and stock pirelli summer tires. Only mods to get yours there; flash tune, downpipes, and e85.
Is this the first ZL1 on the channel? Loved your reaction @samcarlegion I have the same reaction every time I'm tapping into the SC whine. One note, the 1LE will trap a bit slower because of the extra aero that makes for a great track car, as long as the track isn't a drag strip.
Yep first
You guys always do roll races so annoyingly (no offense, I do love the content!). You either do full "manual" mode on cars that are best left to automatic shifting, OR you do automatic mode, but including the kick down. Now, don't get me wrong, both of those are important to test! But, please please PLEASE do the best version of the roll race:
Use manual mode to select starting gear
Floor it
Put transmission back into automatic shifting mode
This way gives you the best/most-optimal start as well as the best/most-optimal shift timing (never short shifting nor banging off of the rev limiter).
PLEASE.
Its faster if you let the ZLE shift itself. If you really want to shift yourself, get one with a third pedal. Awesome vid btw.
Not it’s not bro you saw it lose in auto paddles are stronger
@@5.0nito god you are retarded. that doesn't mean anything bro
@@5.0nito alfa only won that because it had a major jump
@@5.0nitoif you think a human can shift faster than a computer you’re a moron.
@@5.0nito it is faster, he was redlining it like 5 time, you start in manual then as you get going pop it into auto and let the computer shift, you cannot out perform the computer in an automatic car
No matter the drive system any car have 150HP difference is not logical to put any car against it
They need to do the thingy on ZL1 for the roll race, where you start off with manual then snap back in to drive😌 almost a night and day difference👌🏻💯
They did
@@dnegel9546They didn't. The ZL1 was in manual mode for the 1st and 2nd roll races as you can see him manually shifting. From that point on, all the other races were in auto. Never did they put it in manual then put it back into D after flooring it.
I've never understood that concept of manually shifting an automatic car for a straight line race. A human cannot out shift an automatic transmission.
Stggg🤦🏽♂️ these dude really don’t know smh!!!
ZL1 driver is like 100 lbs compared to the other drivers. Try rwd mode on roll race for m3?
Very interesting video Sam! Well done. Still would like to find a way to have fair rolling races. Always people jumping before the cones or not at the same speed when startingthe rolling races. 11.0 for the M3 is very good!
You can say the Alfa driver was horrible. This is a safe space thread :)
People jump bigtime so it's hard to control but carwow would have the same dilemma to deal with and they make it work.
@RaceDawg Most of the time, on CW, the cars are driven by Matt, Yanni, etc. (people from the channel). Sam let the car owners drive their own car. So, it no longer is objective. But, the other hand, there are no excuses of poor driving,since the owner is supposed to know how to drive his car optimally.
Also, CW has 20x more views/budget. When Sam invites people to race and shoot videos, he intends to make 4 different videos in one day. So, if people don't listen to the instructions, it affects the quality of the races.
The way I see it is that in the real world, you will always have someone jumping and it's fun to see how the other car can catch up. Nothing is perfect and I love Sam's content even though it is not perfectly setup.
I think the best way is to have a Talkie-Walkie and the lead say go when all are aling and at the same speed
We barely get people’s cars in Canada - let alone press cars. Carwow is allowed to race cars owned by manufacturers. We aren’t even allowed to film at the track let alone racing them 😂. Especially Stellantis the company that makes drag racing cars. We film the races multiple times so people don’t make any mistakes. Hence why I stopped doing three way races, less mistakes.
Its nice to see the M3 in RWD mode being the heaviest of the 3 cars still do what it did VS the camaro ZL1
Grain of salt.
Rwd mode/drift mode doesn't
Have TC or LC. That race was
Not accurate. Just being factual
@@WindyCity1992 that’s not being factual at all if anything it further validates what I’m talking about and further adds superiority to the m3. The ZL1 has 147 horsepower on it and in a condition where the m3 turns off it’s all wheel drive, having less power and weighing more makes the Chevy look even worse.
It’s still a twin turbo v8 vs a supercharger pls stop the comparisons two different types of forced inductions and bmw needs two at that so please stop
@@damianparris2811 tell that to the author of the video that literally made a video comparing them. What type of induction a vehicle has DOES NOT matter. The m3 with 150 horsepower less and more weight beat the camaro on real wheel drive setting. Use your brain. I know theyre making school easier to complete but god damn.
@@NCM89747 bro be real it’s the same engine in a m8 the hp doesn’t matter bmw clown frfr
Insane cars !! ❤❤
i will love to see the ZL1 vs M5 CS will see who is the daddy !!! Great job man
M5 will eat it up with a blind fold
M5 is faster. But in the zl1 defense aint much short of 100g+ touching it around a track. And thats just the regular zl1 not counting a 1le.
M5 on a drag race on a track zle and the zl1 1le is a real dangerous weapon
As long as the road is straight then M5, as soon as you throw in the curves the ZL1 leaves it. Chevy doesn’t have as much of an aggressive launch control either. The BMWs hit hard off the jump.
Man that Zl1 with zf transmission or DCT would be untouchable for the price range
Sam what watch is that? Looks nice
Oris 65 Diver Chronograph Automatic
@SamCarLegion great taste man 💪 This race was one of the best as well.
I sold my 2019 zl1 and got me an M3 comp with xdrive , both are great cars.
Sam's reaction to the ZL1 when he floored it was priceless. That's how I still feel every time 😂
"There is no replacement for displacement." With the exception of AWD, at least from a dig. 😂
Interesting. I have two Fast rear wheel drive cars on Drag radials. Why don't the AWD guys ever want to play when they know I hook up? 👀
@michaelschwab9563
Those drag tires definitely make a huge difference, but the average driver will always launch better with awd. It takes some real talent to launch a car like a Shelby GT500 or any variation of Charger/Challenger Hellcat. I have nothing but respect for the one's that can.
You are the best Sam big hi from Lebanon wonderful race❤
Hey, thanks!
Just looking at the inside camera shots look how shaky the Zl1 is compared to the bmw. That bmw is class
Bmw giving the best of the last generation of ICE in all models..all drag races from diffrent channels if they feature an Mcar it will win all drag and roll..s58 is a masterpeace of engineering at the Best..can beat engines twice its size..Well done M Division
What the hell are you talking about? Last generation, like you think people are going to buy electric cars? 60% of people don't want one.
@@Mike-lt6sjThe future is EV,these are last roll out of oil burners..next M cars are hybrid and EV, Merc has dumped the glorious V8 engine on it's C63s , next M5 is hybrid and EV.. better get used to
@@nhlanhlamagagula7467 No.
Instead, these companies will face severe financial difficulty, or simply go out of business.
@@Mike-lt6sj it's not by choice but they being compelled by all this global warming environment regulations to dump ICE in favor of EV
The fact that the m3 was in rwd and still kept up pretty amazing. That Alfa Romeo very nice too. That zl1 is a beast.
Lol
Kept up??? Give me a break. It got hawked down every single time.
@@quakerthroats9010agreed
True competition ZL1 vs M5. But you know result😉
@nedialkosimonov3893 that is a different class of car. Put the zo6 against it and watch the m5 cry.
Fun race dude
For the love of God please take that necklace off of the rearview mirror in the Camaro it keeps swinging around and it's very irritating to watch lol.... and why are the cars so much quieter in Europe than they are here in the USA? it seems like you guys have the exhaust systems which are completely choking the car's performance potential, and it doesn't let the cars sound very nice compared to here in the USA.. also seems like the cars are testing slower acceleration times in Europe than they do here in the USA for almost all performance cars it's really weird..
Man! That ZL1 comaro is a monster🔥
Moral of the drag race video...fire the other driver....he's not able to figure out when to accelerate. When you (sam) drove ...in most cases you won the races. Just make it fair for each manufacturer....and if you have 3 cars ...race all against each other .. it's okay..you can copy Carwow a little bit. Keep up the good work!
Very nice video, love the Camaro comparison, definitely a dream garage!
Why no manual mode in ZL1 against M3?
did you drive one curb?
I’m shocked that the m3 weighs as much as a Camaro now!!!
It’s 100lbs more than the Camaro, that’s a lot!
It has 150 pounds of front axles and transfer case.
The only thing a zl1 needs is a DCT, love that thing. I’d still have to do a MT though, even though it’s slower.
Good video Sam
The M4 Competition is even faster because of 1. Weight and 2. Drag coefficient.
Out of curiosity, where did you get the name Sam "CarLegion"?
Car means Car - Legion means a bunch of. Bunch of cars basically
Not too many cars will hang with the ZL1
Any twists?
Not really fair, the Camaro has 150 hp more than the other two.
never thought id see the day where an m3 would weigh almost 4000 lbs and have 4wd
This is a ZL1 1LE which Sam should have noted. The top end on a regular ZL1 is much higher.
Drone views would be a great addition
Just don’t understand why the Camaro ZL1 was used when it has 150hp more than the others. It would be better if all cars extremely close in hp and torque. Then you can see how weight, gearing and other things are better. The Camaro won because it had 150hp more. The BMW was the quickest because of Xdrive. Next time used a modified Giulia QV and the races will be much better. But the Giulia did well having no Xdrive, no launch control at all and down on hp by150. But make it a fair race and watch what happens..
The ZL1 is still coming in cheaper than the other two. A 2SS Camaro would come in even cheaper. I'd rather see MSRP groupings as no one is cross shopping vehicles based on horsepower. They're cross shopping vehicles based on MSRP.
I love the ZL1/1LE! What an amazing machine!
next time: Camaro vs M5 vs Rs5
Camaro was obviously heat soaked after the first run but still did well even though the drivers didnt have the trans in performance shift mode when shifted manually or auto.
We stopped - do you think we just do this run after run?
@@SamCarLegion the differencesin the alfa runs were obviously different so, no I don't think you stopped long.
@@triggerjerk01 the M3 is faster
Those claimed 650bhp of camaro ...are clearly visible ANYWHERE 😂
ZL1 should be in Track mode, not Sport, especially if you're not in manual shifting. Also, need better drivers for the ZL1.
So does the alfa have a great auto or the zl1 have not a great auto response? The difference between the manual and auto roll races between the alfa and zl1 was crazy
The ZF in the Alfa is really good. I own one and the transmission is outstanding. A real win over the ZL1 in that department, though can't compete on raw HP
...and this was the ZL1 1LE with the big wing that has a 10 mph lower top speed (due to the massive aero) than the "regular" ZL1...
I like how the rear view mirror decoration knows what time it is.
They didn't do BMW vs Alfa, so disappointing
I really don't think you wanna see
Awesome day Sam, the m3 didn't seem like it was in auto for the rolls though, love the zl1, love the alfa athough seems to maybe have more issues, m3 xdrive is very hard to beat from a dig
Thanks 👍
For sure the ZL1 (non 1LE) would do a better job in this races. The rear wing limits the speed on straight line racing.
I love the way he pronounces Quadrifoglio😅😅
XDrive Mode is a beast.
ZL1 Vs GT500 Vs Charger Hellcat Redeye
ZL1 had to have gotten heat soaked at some point
Wouldn’t that impact all of them?
You have two 500hp sedans and you decide it makes sense to not race them head to head? Then you forget to do the M3-ZL1 roll races in manual? Come on, think your planning all the way through, stop winging it.
Exciting stuff! If X Drive, everything will be slaughtered from a dig. If not, ///M will have a harder time on both drag and roll.
Oddly enough it just doesn't work that way in the street racing world. Everyone where I live in FL is on a Drag radial setup and hooks like glue on the streets. Why don't the AWD guys want to play anymore when they see that? Odd right?
@@michaelschwab9563 I see what you're saying. I live in South Florida too and it's definitely different in the street racing world.
I think I would like to see more of the cars than people in the cars drag racing.
All three cars are awesome but that zl1 is just sinister. I love that car in a manual. Also the instant torque from the pushrod engine makes it fun for just around town as well
Camaros are so slept on. Wow
You nailed the dream garage but if my V8 in this scenario has to be an auto I’m trading in the ZL1 for the class leading GT500
Zl1 is a monster🔥