Been running my own garage, and really want to get into tuning. Have a few guys that want me to learn. No one does it in my area. Gonna spend alot of time watching your videos and going through the forums.
There's a lot of room for it out here, too. My friend who runs his repair business out of his shop just started getting into this. There is so much information out there. Certainly, it is a lot more than the old days with a carburetor
enjoying these videos slowly learning more about tuning just recently purchase an HP tuner have a laptop and just want to adjust the daily a little and have a project car that needs work so looking to try to future proof a little
I've been running my '74 maverick for over 20 years as my daily driver with a 289 that's been bored and some head work, 280H cam, 4bbl carb, headers... and installed a narrow band gauge to help me tune the carb, and I've tuned it and I can keep it stable. I always thought a pcm would be relative as in start with it's base table and adjust based on average o2 between pulses... till I finally got a 'newer' vehicle... now I have a 2006 colorado I5 3.5L, and got a obd2 dongle and some apps, and I see that o2 bouncing around... I'm also finding it extremely difficult to find a way to find even pid's for my app to read all data like fuel level/pressure, and oil pressure/temp, much less how to tune it to simply get everything out of the engine that it's capable of, mpg and hp... been trying to find just some basics, like what hardware I need to connect to pcm and what I need to find and upload a tune file... It's a old truck so I figure they should be out there, and in the early days people did a 'home grown' way of tuning pcm's... I'm just trying to find the most cost effective way to just improve my old truck (new to me and now my daily driver...)...
well explained, just an FYI your Playlist skips this video, I had to go back and link to it manually, would have been helpful if it played next automagically
Great videos like always with a lot of information i looking into starting turning as well any advice on what equipment to get i was looking a the hp tunner but theres a few options which you recommended for my first purchase
The ECU doesnt have a wideband signal going to it even after you buy one. Only your HP Tuner and gauge are seeing the wideband. While tuning with existing narrowband If your lambda and AFR stoichiometric targets are hit then you should be good. Check knock sendors as well. In short, I don't think I need wideband, but I am also not a protuner.
Thanks for describing the differences and benefit of the oxygen sensors. The question remains, why aren't OEMs utilizing Wideband O2 from the jump? Seems like the cost would be negligible when you consider their efforts to make cars more fuel efficient.
Can you go over the initial start up If you change a lot of stuff on your car What is a safe setup for startup in making a first run I know you've made a video on this but I did not understand everything that needed to be changed and why... Also I appreciate you doing videos like this I just wanted to say so I have learned a lot
Do I need a wideband to tune a stock suburban havent done anything to the truck just wanted to delete the rear o2s and get into the tuning world learning as I go I just barely got the hp tuner with pro and was wondering if I really needed a wideband at this point or is it fine to just tune a little bit get a feel for it being bone stock
im, new to tuning im as green as they come, could you possibly do a video on how to set up the wideband so the ecu will recognize it, with long tube headers would i need 2 wideband sensors 1 for each bank?
Here to learn HP Tuners, so watching this series. Interesting. It looks to me like GM limited the narrow band sensor to just lean and rich as I have tuned on Redline standalone with narrow band and you get readings just like a wideband, but they are can't go to the same extremes.
What wideband do you recommend? Trying to learn this process and need to know exactly,install a wideband on each vehicle or is there a unit that goes with hp to switch across multiple vehicles?thanks for your info and videos.
I bought unfortunately can’t adjust I entered some more parameters to help me and truck learn but when I start scan it does nothin and what about old o2 electric or sensors
Just found your Chanel and it has been great help for me. I bought a 1997 corvette with heads cam and some other work done. They had it on the dyno and had it tuned back in 2013 when the work was done. The car is equipped with an AFR gauge on the dash. I am noticing under WOT pulls I get an AFR of 11.7-11.9. I feel like that is way too rich and should be around 12.6-12.8. I also have noticed it feels like it kinda breaks up when I get to about 40%-50% throttle and it’s hitting 15:1 then jumps right to the 11.9 right after that. From what I’m getting from your videos is my VE table could probably use some adjustments to fix that 15:1 spot? Then the WOT being to rich would be in the PE settings. I am just wondering if I would be able to set up the scanner with only the LTFT and STFT and be able to adjust the VE table. I hear a lot of people talk about shutting off the MAF sensor and I’m just not sure why that has to be done or exactly how the MAF sensor effects the tune. If you could possibly get back to me that would be great to make sure I’m headed in the right direction. Your videos have been full of great information and I will be supporting your Chanel in the future. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
You can use the LTFTs for the VE table, just make sure and monitor if you're in closed loop, usually a PID called something like fuel system status. But I'd look into tying your AFR gauge into your scanner, most have a serial option on them and that way you could tune your WOT without having to disable PE.
Newb question here. I'm just starting my education on tuning, and am seeking clarification on your recommendation to use wide band sensor(s). Do you install an additional bung(s) for this purpose, or do you utilize the existing pre-cat bungs for tuning purposes? Perhaps this is covered in subsequent videos, but it's my question of the moment! Thank you for sharing your expertise. I look forward to your reply.
I don't know if your still answering questions on your older videos, but ill ask anyway. Can I use a single wide band sensor on one bank of a v8 engine to tune? I just finished a heads cam on my 2008 Chevy truck, with stock manifolds and cats. Can I pull one of the upstream O2s and install a wideband for tuning, or should I decat it and get a reading from both banks mixed?
Okay afr question. I haven't started tuning the car yet. As you know the coyotes have factory widebands which I are actually calculated for the 10% e in fuel running stoich at 14.1. This fluctuates a lot between lean and rich in idle and cruise. More rich I believe. I think it will go from like 13.3 up to like 14.4. Will dialing in fueling help it be more steady or is this just the normal?
Notice you recommended the Newer kinda dedicated AEM X series , figure you just use what works no need to change it up. Quick question tho , for anyone really. Basically I keep burning up my Wideband O2. I sent more lsu 4.9 O2s to a firery grave than i care to omit. That was with the Innovative gauge/controller .While i do have the AEM phat one ready to go in , i feel ill just be sacrificing O2s to the fire Gods. Its mounted i a very Subbie place behind the turbo in front of the cat.
Location should be good because most of the heat is upstream of the turbo but the Innovates have gotten a bad repetition lately, maybe the controller was wrecking then
I just wanted to be clear on something- are you saying that you should follow these steps every time? In other words, do you first tune your MAF, then SD or VE tune, then tune timing, then tune torque management? So let's say I have a supercharged car from the factory, and I put new pulleys on it, knowing that I'm going to go from peak boost of 7 to 10psi, for example. Using the safety steps in your videos, you would first tune the MAF, then SD/VE tune, then tune the timing, and then whatever else? Just making sure. I was kind of shooting in the dark and doing whatever.
Thank you for this information. I have a Second in LT1 with a 24X system on it I believe will be a 411 PCM. I would like to know how to turn it because I live in Ohio and cannot find anyone willing to do the job
How am I suppose to adjust I saw 16.5 and in red but I don’t have adjustments on gauge I bought a uego wide band a cheaper one , wish I had bought a better one but any how , how do I need to tune this
With the wideband do you just have it in vehicle or is it hooked to your scanner to tune? I wanna get into it and wanna make sure I get what I need. My truck has a wideband in it now
can i just swap the narrow band for a wideband without messing with the ecu? i have a really old shitbox with single point fuel injection that i want to try and learn tuning on, it think it could for a good learning platform, but there's no aftermarket support for it and i don't have the money for a faster car. is it possible to just swap things around?
I am running a pst-1 in the pass side and an Mtx-l plus in the drive we side. Ive also hooked the wires to the mpvi2 pro module. But cant seem to set them up to log. Suggestions?
Hello and thanks for all the info new to tuning and lets be clear, do you remove one, if so which one? or all of the narrow band O2 sensors, B1 or B2 upstream or downstream. Do you tune with the wide band installed and remove after tune is complete? or continue to run with it installed?
So I have another question then. I see you logging with the scan tool in HP Tuners, is that somehow with the AFM and wide band sensor you recommend in your description or is it removing a narrow band and replacing to tune. Either way a parameter to log that would be set up in HP Tuner just not sure how you would introduce another outside O2 sensor to be seen in HP Tuner???
@@dklbbach there are wideband gauges with controller which take the lambda signal from the wideband lambda sensor , shows the real lambda values, based on that info but in the same time produce narrowband standard signal for feeding the ECU based again on the same info. This way you can tune the engine without the need of replacement the lambda sensors after the tuning procedure and the informativeness of the gauge is incomparable to the pure narrowband type one . The best solution is to replace the ECU with one capable of reading wideband lambdas data . Such a ECUs control the air/fuel mixture much thigh , precise and faster .
a little lost as to how to best move forward. 3.6l cadillac v6 that i supercharged. the supplied base tune is lackluster. car runs but i know it is very rich and the tune was based off of zero logging. i followed your videos but the ve tables option isn't present in my hp tuner editor. should i just maf tune it? car has wideband o2 from factory. any help is wildly appreciated.
Theoretically it will work but you will need to formulate a way to create a parameter than can be measured against commanded AFR or EQ in order to generate an error ratio. I don't the option had really been explored due to the expense of a 5-gas versus even the most expensive wideband setups.
Is there any way to get the stock PCM (say P59) to use a Wideband feedback to adjust fueling? Thanks Another question: when using histograms to tune VE tables - you do use stock narrow bands, Correct? Thanks
You could, potentially, but they still aren't going to work on open loop, that's where you need the wideband to tune as we are outside the effective range of the narrowband sensors.
Is there a wide-band O2 that you recommend? And are you using them in place of the OE Narrow Band sensors or in addition to? If in place of, where do you set that up in the tuning on HP Tuners? I have seen it on the Holley systems but haven't seen that on HP tuners. Thanks in advance! Great videos BTW!
I use the AEM unit, I'd get the can unit as it's easier to implement into your scanner. I run in an addition to the narrowband and install it near the front on the driver bank though it's not critical which bank you use. amzn.to/2Tk7PSy
Narrow bands are excellent if you just want perfect Lamda, which is why car manufacturers don't use wide bands. Not necessary. Either you have Lamda or don't and are running rich or lean. Wide bands are only useful for PE tuning, since when in PE mode, usually only at wide open throttle, the ECM enters open loop, which disables the stock O2 sensors (narrow band). And even then, if you want perfect lamda for PE, narrow band is the way to go.
Question say you’re tuning for other people, can I wideband be installed then removed once the car has been tuned or does it have to stay installed to run with the tune?
Hopefully you show me how to tune a 5.7 hemi from ever one iv talked to just not to many people know how to tune the Hemi...Jay Green but really want to learn this trade...Hit me up when you get ready to show the Hemi
running into this issue.....dont know where to go in hp mpvi2+ pro feature set + aem wideband.......how do i change the fueling in order to correct the mapping?
I like your channel so much useful info . Can you use the aem wideband for dyno purposes on multiple vehicles or it just stick with one? I am using Daytona wego 4 and I think its going bad. I am looking for alternative wideband. Thanks
The narrowband is 0 to 1 volts and when you look at the scanner graph it looks like to what you describe as a wideband, its switching. Am I missing something here?
Unfortunately I just had my 2011 Silverado extended cab 4.8L turbo, built 4L80E trans tuned by a shop that has damaged the ECM. The truck runs, but I now have a P0606 code among many others and the truck will not do a burnout or take heavy throttle without going into "reduced power mode". Now i have had to buy HP Tuners and am consulting with a tuner in Ohio that is going to help me get this thing going right. A damn shame how people especially a known shop will take advantage of you and screw you coming and going and then deny any fault. I didn't even get a tune file, no idea what the fuel or timing is set at, boost pressure, no dyno graph or sheet, etc... I hope I can remote tune with HP Tuners standard package because that is what I got. Lol
i understand the use of a wideband on personal vehicle that your tunings. but what about if a friend wants you to tune their vehicle but they don’t have a wideband.
I would be hesitant as you don't want to mess something up. A wideband is critical especially if it's on a heavily modified vehicle. If there is only bolt on modifications you are probably safe using the fuel trim tuning method. You can find plenty of guides out there on it.
Talk to us as if we're in bunch of idiots Don't be afraid to go into great detail on each of the terms you're throwing out Each thing you change and adjust tell us what it does please just trying to help
If this is your car and you are going to be learning to tune over the next several months, I suggest welding in a new bung shortly after the first oxygen sensor - that way you can leave the wideband in and take your time to learn. When you are not tuning your pcm will be using your narrowband O2 sensors as usual.
As toys said, a extra bung is helpful but not necessary, you can swap one if the stock ones during the tuning process if necessary as they are disabled during the tuning process. I like having a wideband hooked up after
To be honest if you just look at it from even a logical point of view, it's fully obvious which of the two are better. This is coming from someone who has no prior knowledge to tuning, because as in your diagram narrow band just lacks so much information. But you get the full picture with wide band even the diagram shows this. Great video
@@GoatRopeGarage Right on, I've actually been setting PE to 100% throttle to eliminate the chances of going into it and tuning MAF and VVE up to about 50% throttle and about 4k rpm
Kind of new to tune world. If installing a wideband, should I install one or two? My Ram has two upflow and two downflow. I will be using a reputable mopar tuner. I am converting over to HP. Is there anyone who sales just the sensor? I don't want the gauge in my truck, I am wanting to keep interior clean.
I am all for going with the option that will ultimately be the better one aka. wideband. My question would be... "theoretically" would it be possible to change an oem narrow band o2 sensor to a wideband and the ecm still be able to "understand" the readings and make adjustments accordingly.
I’m new to HpTuners and tuning in general and have really been enjoying your series. Is it ok to just replace the narrowband sensor with a wideband? Will the connectors and wiring be compatible? If so, what wideband do you recommend to use with HpTuners? Thanks!
Jaywalkin set your phone up to record your gauges then give the car a specific blip on the throttle before a pull so you can sinchronise the footage and datalog.
Just need to find the EGR voltage pin on your ECU then bring the analog from the wideband in on it, you'll then have to setup some custom math to convert it to AFR or Lambda
@@GoatRopeGarage okay that's easier to understand than everything else I've looked at on the internet. It's really hard to research things when you're brand new because people work things in a way that you would only realize as an already slightly experienced user. Thank you for the response and the free content more of us appreciate it than you know.
Hey TB, I haven't been active on the forum since my Corvette days. You're best bet is to post here in TH-cam and I'll get back to you. Thanks for watching!
Are you just repeating what others have told you, or from experience? i thought narrowband measures from .1 to around 1 and you want to be at .45 At least that's what my scanner tools live data shows. When i rev the voltage and fuel trim changes indicating how the o2 sensor reacts.
Here is a prime example, from a user submitted log, showing the wideband readings next to the narrow band readings while targeting 1.0 EQ. The AFR target is adjusted for 70% ethanol. imgur.com/a/xyEakDo
The issue is that there isn't any real scaling between the two points, the .45v is derived from averaging what we call the "switching" where we take the data from a period of time and get an average and if you are running stoich you should have an average voltage of .45 on the narrowband sensor, but for live data it isn't effective for determining current fuel trims.
This is the best bet for now and a wideband that supports serial instead of paying for the pro features www.amazon.com/HP-Tuners-MPVI2-Universal-Credits/dp/B07DN3DMYD
Great information! I have had my HP Tuners for a while now but have not tried to tune anything cause there was too much I did not understand. I am looking forward to this series. Quick question. I have a 2009 CTSV that is stock and I am looking to tune with some bolt ons. Will I need a wide band for each side? You did not mention this in your video. Also if I put one in for each side will I need 2 gauges or will the one gauge work for both? Thanks!
Thank you for sharing all this information. Sub'd. In light of your recommendation for a wideband, I would need to purchase the PRO version of HPT, correct?
They are separate. He is using HP tuners program/software and and AEM wideband sensor and gauge. The gauge can plug into HP tuners so you scan the wideband data.
Been running my own garage, and really want to get into tuning. Have a few guys that want me to learn. No one does it in my area. Gonna spend alot of time watching your videos and going through the forums.
How's it going?? Still pursuing tuning?
There's a lot of room for it out here, too. My friend who runs his repair business out of his shop just started getting into this. There is so much information out there. Certainly, it is a lot more than the old days with a carburetor
Thanks!
How about a video for us beginners on how to hook up the wideband to hp tuners for the different generation engines?
enjoying these videos slowly learning more about tuning just recently purchase an HP tuner have a laptop and just want to adjust the daily a little and have a project car that needs work so looking to try to future proof a little
I've been running my '74 maverick for over 20 years as my daily driver with a 289 that's been bored and some head work, 280H cam, 4bbl carb, headers... and installed a narrow band gauge to help me tune the carb, and I've tuned it and I can keep it stable. I always thought a pcm would be relative as in start with it's base table and adjust based on average o2 between pulses... till I finally got a 'newer' vehicle... now I have a 2006 colorado I5 3.5L, and got a obd2 dongle and some apps, and I see that o2 bouncing around... I'm also finding it extremely difficult to find a way to find even pid's for my app to read all data like fuel level/pressure, and oil pressure/temp, much less how to tune it to simply get everything out of the engine that it's capable of, mpg and hp... been trying to find just some basics, like what hardware I need to connect to pcm and what I need to find and upload a tune file... It's a old truck so I figure they should be out there, and in the early days people did a 'home grown' way of tuning pcm's... I'm just trying to find the most cost effective way to just improve my old truck (new to me and now my daily driver...)...
well explained, just an FYI your Playlist skips this video, I had to go back and link to it manually, would have been helpful if it played next automagically
Thanks for the heads up, I'll look into it.
Great videos. Learning about tuning and starting with my 2002 Chevy Silverado. Just gotta figure out these o2 sensor readings.
This has been great info so far! Thank you
Thank You So much!
Thank you so much for this content
Good job I understand what you said, Thanks
Great videos like always with a lot of information i looking into starting turning as well any advice on what equipment to get i was looking a the hp tunner but theres a few options which you recommended for my first purchase
The ECU doesnt have a wideband signal going to it even after you buy one. Only your HP Tuner and gauge are seeing the wideband. While tuning with existing narrowband If your lambda and AFR stoichiometric targets are hit then you should be good. Check knock sendors as well.
In short, I don't think I need wideband, but I am also not a protuner.
Thanks for describing the differences and benefit of the oxygen sensors. The question remains, why aren't OEMs utilizing Wideband O2 from the jump? Seems like the cost would be negligible when you consider their efforts to make cars more fuel efficient.
They are lmfao since like 2010 almost every car has a wideband
Can I use a regular lab top I bought for tuning?
Basically wideband has 100 steps compared to 2 steps . It will judge everything in between all the time in real time way more accurately.
Can you go over the initial start up If you change a lot of stuff on your car What is a safe setup for startup in making a first run I know you've made a video on this but I did not understand everything that needed to be changed and why... Also I appreciate you doing videos like this I just wanted to say so I have learned a lot
Do I need a wideband to tune a stock suburban havent done anything to the truck just wanted to delete the rear o2s and get into the tuning world learning as I go I just barely got the hp tuner with pro and was wondering if I really needed a wideband at this point or is it fine to just tune a little bit get a feel for it being bone stock
Great awesome video👍. Quick question. For a wideband sensor, we have to use a stand alone?🤔
im, new to tuning im as green as they come, could you possibly do a video on how to set up the wideband so the ecu will recognize it, with long tube headers would i need 2 wideband sensors 1 for each bank?
Thx man 🫂
So you need a special lab top an what window's type you need
Here to learn HP Tuners, so watching this series. Interesting. It looks to me like GM limited the narrow band sensor to just lean and rich as I have tuned on Redline standalone with narrow band and you get readings just like a wideband, but they are can't go to the same extremes.
What wideband do you recommend? Trying to learn this process and need to know exactly,install a wideband on each vehicle or is there a unit that goes with hp to switch across multiple vehicles?thanks for your info and videos.
Do most vehicles have wideband o2 sensors on them or do you need a stand alone?
I bought unfortunately can’t adjust I entered some more parameters to help me and truck learn but when I start scan it does nothin and what about old o2 electric or sensors
Just found your Chanel and it has been great help for me. I bought a 1997 corvette with heads cam and some other work done. They had it on the dyno and had it tuned back in 2013 when the work was done. The car is equipped with an AFR gauge on the dash. I am noticing under WOT pulls I get an AFR of 11.7-11.9. I feel like that is way too rich and should be around 12.6-12.8. I also have noticed it feels like it kinda breaks up when I get to about 40%-50% throttle and it’s hitting 15:1 then jumps right to the 11.9 right after that. From what I’m getting from your videos is my VE table could probably use some adjustments to fix that 15:1 spot? Then the WOT being to rich would be in the PE settings. I am just wondering if I would be able to set up the scanner with only the LTFT and STFT and be able to adjust the VE table. I hear a lot of people talk about shutting off the MAF sensor and I’m just not sure why that has to be done or exactly how the MAF sensor effects the tune. If you could possibly get back to me that would be great to make sure I’m headed in the right direction. Your videos have been full of great information and I will be supporting your Chanel in the future. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
You can use the LTFTs for the VE table, just make sure and monitor if you're in closed loop, usually a PID called something like fuel system status. But I'd look into tying your AFR gauge into your scanner, most have a serial option on them and that way you could tune your WOT without having to disable PE.
Newb question here. I'm just starting my education on tuning, and am seeking clarification on your recommendation to use wide band sensor(s). Do you install an additional bung(s) for this purpose, or do you utilize the existing pre-cat bungs for tuning purposes? Perhaps this is covered in subsequent videos, but it's my question of the moment! Thank you for sharing your expertise. I look forward to your reply.
You can do either.
I don't know if your still answering questions on your older videos, but ill ask anyway. Can I use a single wide band sensor on one bank of a v8 engine to tune? I just finished a heads cam on my 2008 Chevy truck, with stock manifolds and cats. Can I pull one of the upstream O2s and install a wideband for tuning, or should I decat it and get a reading from both banks mixed?
Yeah, we only have control over the total fueling so putting the wideband in one beach is fine
Okay afr question. I haven't started tuning the car yet.
As you know the coyotes have factory widebands which I are actually calculated for the 10% e in fuel running stoich at 14.1. This fluctuates a lot between lean and rich in idle and cruise. More rich I believe. I think it will go from like 13.3 up to like 14.4.
Will dialing in fueling help it be more steady or is this just the normal?
Notice you recommended the Newer kinda dedicated AEM X series , figure you just use what works no need to change it up. Quick question tho , for anyone really. Basically I keep burning up my Wideband O2. I sent more lsu 4.9 O2s to a firery grave than i care to omit. That was with the Innovative gauge/controller .While i do have the AEM phat one ready to go in , i feel ill just be sacrificing O2s to the fire Gods. Its mounted i a very Subbie place behind the turbo in front of the cat.
Location should be good because most of the heat is upstream of the turbo but the Innovates have gotten a bad repetition lately, maybe the controller was wrecking then
I just wanted to be clear on something- are you saying that you should follow these steps every time? In other words, do you first tune your MAF, then SD or VE tune, then tune timing, then tune torque management? So let's say I have a supercharged car from the factory, and I put new pulleys on it, knowing that I'm going to go from peak boost of 7 to 10psi, for example. Using the safety steps in your videos, you would first tune the MAF, then SD/VE tune, then tune the timing, and then whatever else? Just making sure. I was kind of shooting in the dark and doing whatever.
Thank you for this information. I have a Second in LT1 with a 24X system on it I believe will be a 411 PCM. I would like to know how to turn it because I live in Ohio and cannot find anyone willing to do the job
Where do you recommend wideband placement with true dual exhaust with x pipe?Awesome videos by the way and I really appreciate the info.
Just down stream of the collector
How am I suppose to adjust I saw 16.5 and in red but I don’t have adjustments on gauge I bought a uego wide band a cheaper one , wish I had bought a better one but any how , how do I need to tune this
With the wideband do you just have it in vehicle or is it hooked to your scanner to tune? I wanna get into it and wanna make sure I get what I need. My truck has a wideband in it now
can i just swap the narrow band for a wideband without messing with the ecu? i have a really old shitbox with single point fuel injection that i want to try and learn tuning on, it think it could for a good learning platform, but there's no aftermarket support for it and i don't have the money for a faster car. is it possible to just swap things around?
I am running a pst-1 in the pass side and an Mtx-l plus in the drive we side. Ive also hooked the wires to the mpvi2 pro module. But cant seem to set them up to log. Suggestions?
I have true duals on my 5.3 do I need a wide band for each side? If so what would you suggest to match with hp tuners
Hello and thanks for all the info new to tuning and lets be clear, do you remove one, if so which one? or all of the narrow band O2 sensors, B1 or B2 upstream or downstream.
Do you tune with the wide band installed and remove after tune is complete? or continue to run with it installed?
If you're replacing a NB to tune swap with one of the front ones, when you're done put it back so you can run closed loop
So I have another question then. I see you logging with the scan tool in HP Tuners, is that somehow with the AFM and wide band sensor you recommend in your description or is it removing a narrow band and replacing to tune. Either way a parameter to log that would be set up in HP Tuner just not sure how you would introduce another outside O2 sensor to be seen in HP Tuner???
@@dklbbach there are wideband gauges with controller which take the lambda signal from the wideband lambda sensor , shows the real lambda values, based on that info but in the same time produce narrowband standard signal for feeding the ECU based again on the same info.
This way you can tune the engine without the need of replacement the lambda sensors after the tuning procedure and the informativeness of the gauge is incomparable to the pure narrowband type one . The best solution is to replace the ECU with one capable of reading wideband lambdas data . Such a ECUs control the air/fuel mixture much thigh , precise and faster .
a little lost as to how to best move forward. 3.6l cadillac v6 that i supercharged. the supplied base tune is lackluster. car runs but i know it is very rich and the tune was based off of zero logging. i followed your videos but the ve tables option isn't present in my hp tuner editor. should i just maf tune it? car has wideband o2 from factory.
any help is wildly appreciated.
Excellent vid,, keep rockin that Holden shirt mate, from Melbourne Australia
Thank you for making this video series. What are thoughts on using a 5 gas analyzer?
Theoretically it will work but you will need to formulate a way to create a parameter than can be measured against commanded AFR or EQ in order to generate an error ratio. I don't the option had really been explored due to the expense of a 5-gas versus even the most expensive wideband setups.
@@GoatRopeGarage Thanks for the reply.
Is there any way to get the stock PCM (say P59) to use a Wideband feedback to adjust fueling? Thanks Another question: when using histograms to tune VE tables - you do use stock narrow bands, Correct? Thanks
You could, potentially, but they still aren't going to work on open loop, that's where you need the wideband to tune as we are outside the effective range of the narrowband sensors.
how do you recognize what software is wideband or narrowband?does it say it or something?
Is there a wide-band O2 that you recommend? And are you using them in place of the OE Narrow Band sensors or in addition to? If in place of, where do you set that up in the tuning on HP Tuners? I have seen it on the Holley systems but haven't seen that on HP tuners. Thanks in advance! Great videos BTW!
I use the AEM unit, I'd get the can unit as it's easier to implement into your scanner. I run in an addition to the narrowband and install it near the front on the driver bank though it's not critical which bank you use.
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Goat Rope Garage I watched your video on it and have a better understanding of what your doing and how it is used. Thanks for the info!
@@GoatRopeGarage I'm doing an engine swap. Could aem be install instead of oe sensers
Not sure they can emulate narrowband sensors, innovate has some that will
Narrow bands are excellent if you just want perfect Lamda, which is why car manufacturers don't use wide bands. Not necessary. Either you have Lamda or don't and are running rich or lean. Wide bands are only useful for PE tuning, since when in PE mode, usually only at wide open throttle, the ECM enters open loop, which disables the stock O2 sensors (narrow band). And even then, if you want perfect lamda for PE, narrow band is the way to go.
Question say you’re tuning for other people, can I wideband be installed then removed once the car has been tuned or does it have to stay installed to run with the tune?
Can be removed once the tune is done
Hopefully you show me how to tune a 5.7 hemi from ever one iv talked to just not to many people know how to tune the Hemi...Jay Green but really want to learn this trade...Hit me up when you get ready to show the Hemi
running into this issue.....dont know where to go in hp mpvi2+ pro feature set + aem wideband.......how do i change the fueling in order to correct the mapping?
scan then make changes in editor
watched vid after vid, you & others, & im still lost on how to
I like your channel so much useful info . Can you use the aem wideband for dyno purposes on multiple vehicles or it just stick with one? I am using Daytona wego 4 and I think its going bad. I am looking for alternative wideband. Thanks
You could there sensor is about the same on all, but it's the controller that's different
The narrowband is 0 to 1 volts and when you look at the scanner graph it looks like to what you describe as a wideband, its switching. Am I missing something here?
Unfortunately I just had my 2011 Silverado extended cab 4.8L turbo, built 4L80E trans tuned by a shop that has damaged the ECM. The truck runs, but I now have a P0606 code among many others and the truck will not do a burnout or take heavy throttle without going into "reduced power mode". Now i have had to buy HP Tuners and am consulting with a tuner in Ohio that is going to help me get this thing going right. A damn shame how people especially a known shop will take advantage of you and screw you coming and going and then deny any fault. I didn't even get a tune file, no idea what the fuel or timing is set at, boost pressure, no dyno graph or sheet, etc... I hope I can remote tune with HP Tuners standard package because that is what I got. Lol
i understand the use of a wideband on personal vehicle that your tunings. but what about if a friend wants you to tune their vehicle but they don’t have a wideband.
I would be hesitant as you don't want to mess something up. A wideband is critical especially if it's on a heavily modified vehicle. If there is only bolt on modifications you are probably safe using the fuel trim tuning method. You can find plenty of guides out there on it.
Talk to us as if we're in bunch of idiots Don't be afraid to go into great detail on each of the terms you're throwing out Each thing you change and adjust tell us what it does please just trying to help
So I'm a lil confused. Would wideband o2 sensors replace my OEM 02 sensors? Or would they be an addition to the system?
If this is your car and you are going to be learning to tune over the next several months, I suggest welding in a new bung shortly after the first oxygen sensor - that way you can leave the wideband in and take your time to learn. When you are not tuning your pcm will be using your narrowband O2 sensors as usual.
As toys said, a extra bung is helpful but not necessary, you can swap one if the stock ones during the tuning process if necessary as they are disabled during the tuning process. I like having a wideband hooked up after
Ok. This is my daily driver that I want to play with for mpg and learning. I am also planning on building a project just not sure just sure what yet.
To be honest if you just look at it from even a logical point of view, it's fully obvious which of the two are better. This is coming from someone who has no prior knowledge to tuning, because as in your diagram narrow band just lacks so much information. But you get the full picture with wide band even the diagram shows this. Great video
How do you feel about tuning idle and part throttle using the narrowband sensors and then using a wideband for higher loads like full throttle?
That's fine, just stay out of PE without a wideband.
@@GoatRopeGarage Right on, I've actually been setting PE to 100% throttle to eliminate the chances of going into it and tuning MAF and VVE up to about 50% throttle and about 4k rpm
@@scottgt95 That works, just be mindful that you can generate a lot of cylinder temperature running stoich at higher RPM's.
Kind of new to tune world. If installing a wideband, should I install one or two? My Ram has two upflow and two downflow. I will be using a reputable mopar tuner. I am converting over to HP. Is there anyone who sales just the sensor? I don't want the gauge in my truck, I am wanting to keep interior clean.
One is fine and AEM and Innovate both offer a sensor with controller that doesn't include a gauge.
@@GoatRopeGarage thanks
I am all for going with the option that will ultimately be the better one aka. wideband. My question would be... "theoretically" would it be possible to change an oem narrow band o2 sensor to a wideband and the ecm still be able to "understand" the readings and make adjustments accordingly.
They're are some that have a narrowband output that can be wired in place if a factory one and operate as both, I know innovate has one
What is a good wide band for hp tuners
AEM 30-0300
I'm scared.
I’m new to HpTuners and tuning in general and have really been enjoying your series. Is it ok to just replace the narrowband sensor with a wideband? Will the connectors and wiring be compatible? If so, what wideband do you recommend to use with HpTuners? Thanks!
Never mind. Found I need to add a wideband and controller. More $$ into the money pit!
Will the auto meter wideband work with hp tuners?
How to hook wideband to mpvi2 ? Can I tune by eye? Like read the gauge and scanner at the same time to get an idea ?
Jaywalkin set your phone up to record your gauges then give the car a specific blip on the throttle before a pull so you can sinchronise the footage and datalog.
Do I need the hp tuners pro to use the wide band? Or can I install the wide band in my pcm and program thought that.
You don't, you can bring it in through something like EGR or AC pressure or your can use a serial to USB adapter if you're gauge has serial
@@GoatRopeGarage how do I do this with mpvi2?
Just need to find the EGR voltage pin on your ECU then bring the analog from the wideband in on it, you'll then have to setup some custom math to convert it to AFR or Lambda
@@GoatRopeGarage okay that's easier to understand than everything else I've looked at on the internet. It's really hard to research things when you're brand new because people work things in a way that you would only realize as an already slightly experienced user. Thank you for the response and the free content more of us appreciate it than you know.
Do you need to adjust your wideband to display in lambda as well ?
Usually it only outputs in the unit you see on the display
I dont wanna bug you but what's your forum name on HP? I'm new and learn but motivated and would really like a lil help
Hey TB, I haven't been active on the forum since my Corvette days. You're best bet is to post here in TH-cam and I'll get back to you. Thanks for watching!
What happened to the mpvi2 w/2 credits link? I'm intrestred
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Are you just repeating what others have told you, or from experience?
i thought narrowband measures from .1 to around 1 and you want to be at .45
At least that's what my scanner tools live data shows. When i rev the voltage and fuel trim changes indicating how the o2 sensor reacts.
If someone told you that you can tune a car with narrowband sensors by targeting .45 volts they are spreading dangerous information.
@@GoatRopeGarage Makes sense to me considering .1 is lean and .9 is rich. OEM sensors are Lambda sensors.
Here is a prime example, from a user submitted log, showing the wideband readings next to the narrow band readings while targeting 1.0 EQ. The AFR target is adjusted for 70% ethanol.
imgur.com/a/xyEakDo
The issue is that there isn't any real scaling between the two points, the .45v is derived from averaging what we call the "switching" where we take the data from a period of time and get an average and if you are running stoich you should have an average voltage of .45 on the narrowband sensor, but for live data it isn't effective for determining current fuel trims.
I'm going to be getting a HP tuning system. What system do you recommend and what program and where to get.
This is the best bet for now and a wideband that supports serial instead of paying for the pro features
www.amazon.com/HP-Tuners-MPVI2-Universal-Credits/dp/B07DN3DMYD
Great information! I have had my HP Tuners for a while now but have not tried to tune anything cause there was too much I did not understand. I am looking forward to this series. Quick question. I have a 2009 CTSV that is stock and I am looking to tune with some bolt ons. Will I need a wide band for each side? You did not mention this in your video. Also if I put one in for each side will I need 2 gauges or will the one gauge work for both? Thanks!
Just one is enough to properly tune. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing all this information. Sub'd. In light of your recommendation for a wideband, I would need to purchase the PRO version of HPT, correct?
Negative, the one I suggest you can use serial, check the links in the description
What is a good tuning device that has a wideband with it?
They are separate. He is using HP tuners program/software and and AEM wideband sensor and gauge. The gauge can plug into HP tuners so you scan the wideband data.
Can I switch my cars 02 to wide band ? I have an 02 civic d17a1
You'll need one that has a narrowband output to replace the existing one and still run closed loop
Where do you purchase a wide band reader? HP ?
56 year old nube thinking of doing some tuning.... Thank you in advance for answering, what to you are stupid questions..... Your gonna hate me. LOL
No stupid questions
Hello sir how are you
😂is this actually a topic 😂🙈
You’re just talking, you’re not actually showing anything.
Then you weren't listening he was talking about the basics before you touch anything and explained it well IMHO.
Do I need the hp tuners pro to use the wide band? Or can I install the wide band in my pcm and program thought that.