Quest 3 Passthrough Quality: Clarity or Grainy?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2024
- Why do experiences with the Quest 3's passthrough quality vary so wildly among users? This is my take on the Meta Quest 3's passthrough quality.
I've sifted through thousands of posts, comments, blogs, and watched tons of Meta Quest 3 virtual reality headset reviews to try to weave users' stories and decode the intricacies of Meta's latest mixed reality console. From the grainy and blurry depths of heightened expectations to the undeniable role of individual settings and lighting on the Quest 3 cameras, this video sheds light on the mixed reality that the Quest 3 offers.
Whether you're a seasoned VR enthusiast or a curious onlooker, this deep dive into the Quest 3's passthrough will uproot your expectations and dispel the hype on passthrough technology.
Which camp do you fall in: crystal clear or grainy mess?
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UPDATE: Meta confirmed 10/24 that passthrough quality can be improved via future software updates as their AI learns our environments from user data.
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I very much enjoy the passthrough experience, it simply didn't live up to the level of clarity that was hyped.
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Regarding the Bobovr M3 pro. I ended dropping a 'undred quid on the M2 pro with dual battery's and 3d printed a conversion kit so it fits the Quest3. Works a treat. I couldn't wait for the M3 as it's release kept slipping and the few that became available flew off the shelves faster than toilet paper during lockdown 😊
@@srgpip5620 - That's legit a smart idea - I was debating doing the same. I couldn't catch a M3 from Amazon and their website claimed 3-4 week shipping times and had weird charges added so I didn't follow through.
I might follow your footsteps since the batteries seem to be the same - and then just upgrade the batteries whenever they make a better version of those.
Nice
I took my Quest 3 back for a refund. There was this issue. Passthrough looked like sh1t. There is also the terrible battery life, and adding an external battery pack barely helps. I predict a lot of headsets with dead batteries after the one year warranty has expired. If you buy this headset prior to a revised version of it, with a better battery pack, you may be wasting your money IMHO.
They say this, yet advertise crisp pass through. It’s quest 2 pass through with color.
It really was a bit of a disappointment when I used the Quest 3 for the first time... I thought my unit had a problem, thanks for the explanation.
Same! I almost returned it, still may. I feel like I have a blurry spot in my lenses but it may be mura.
Same for me, but apart from that im really enjoying the thing, cool gadget
@@y_zass I notice that the lenses on mine are REALLY reflective. It's very noticeable when there's certain lightings going on in game
@@particely noticed that too, especially when watching movies it can be really bad
Dude, this is the type of video TH-cam needs. Straight to the point but so well structured. Editing so good. Keep it up man don’t change too much this style. You’ll blow up.
I appreciate that, thank you! I'm definitely trying to keep this style (but have also gotten some nice camera + audio upgrades for quality).
I'm finally back home and starting to make videos again. I hope to start dropping again soon!
Definitely was overhyped. It is a significant improvement from the Quest 2, but looking at all the early reviews saying the pass through is so crisp and clear is a lie. I thought I had a defective device, so I got a replacement and still got the same grainy, unclear pass through experience.
100% agreed. It's definitely still usable, but I feel the overhype did a disservice to the community and caused panic + confusion instead of enjoyment of the new tech we have access to.
Also just FYI in case you haven't yet seen, Meta announced yesterday they are going to be able to improve the passthrough experience quality via software improvements as they get more data from people's cameras.
The overhype was from Meta's content creators that weren't allowed to say anything negative about it. We know who you are!!
I got it today and i have the same feeling
The update a few days ago did absolutely nothing to improve such. It really is one of the biggest marketing cons I’ve seen. Sure, it’s great as a stand-alone VR device. But for mixed reality is an absolutely gimmick and has me questioning the veracity of some reviewers !! It’s rife in the e sim racing community.
Ehi same here i ve never experienced vr so was my first headset i bought yesterday, apart passthrough barely usable i didnt find the movies or home windows to be so crisp and sharp i thought i had a defective one returned it today got the new one but it s the same. So is it normal that in the home or the movies or txt in general are not so crisp or sharp? It s somewhat pixelated edges and bit blurriness
The best way I can describe the quality that you see is old webcam, that's how it feels.
It does feel like a 1st gen kind of feature and I am sure that it will be greatly improved in Quest 4
That's an accurate description!
And agreed. I'm looking forward to the improvements
Probably not lmao
Dude how do you not have more subscribers?? Such a high quality video
Haha, I really appreciate that! I think it's because I'm new to this.. regardless, I will continue to put out quality content and hope we make some big moves in 2024.
If the passthrough's graininess is a software issue, then there is hope it will improve. Waiting on those updates 🙏
It won't, it's like asking that your digital camera will gain one or two stops through firmware. It won't happen
@@TheDigitalGuerrilla It might though. I mean look at DLSS with the use of AI. I'm sure something similar can be done with this too.
@@flashpunk7333 Those are different technologies, no camera uses that kind of tech, even smartphones. You can filter grain but there is no reconstruction because it needs more info about the scene: depth, motion vectors, ID, and so on
@@TheDigitalGuerrillawell according to Meta's CTO,Andrew Bosworth:"Yes,it will continue to improve as we continue to get real world lightning conditions and information from the headsets that have been picked up, we start to tune the algorithms that drive it more effectively.
And so i do think it will continue to improve - modestly - from here for a little while as we do a better job depth estimating with where your hands and working with the distortion around that, and things like that.
So yeah, we're gonna continue to work on it as we have with the quest pro."
So if u trust what he say then the answer will be yes , the pass through will improve.
@@ketchai995 trust them as you trusted the promotional material, breath in that sweet sweet copium 😁
Thank You for the brutally honest explanation of the passthrough. I have the headset already so can now relax knowing its normal. Cheers.
Same here, just got my quest 3 today and I could barely read the phone which is supposed to be part of the setup. Glad to know it's "normal"
Same got mine today had same issue
Thank you! Hearing that recorded headset footage is better quality than what is shown in the headset is a relief! Was worried my pass through was bad
I did the same thing you did, after being shocked at the graininess, and exclaiming to my wife "something's wrong!" I tried to pick a the front of the camera on my Quest 3 to see if there were hard to see plastic film protectors over the cameras for shipping purposes (there weren't). I've now pretty much accepted that certain things look very grainy in my apartment, and have come to enjoy the passthrough after my initial disappointment. It actually helps me accept it that I learned it's not a defect on my headset but a general problem. But I never had plans to use it for virtual monitors like you did, just for fun.
Hahaha, glad to know I'm not alone on that one! =)
I agree with you there, I am enjoying passthrough still. The virtual monitors even work super well; it's just the little window to see your keyboard is a bit too blurry. Meta says they are going to be pushing software updates to make it better for us, though, so fingers crossed!
What have been your favorite mixed reality experiences or games thus far? I'm finally about to get into the gaming side of things now that I've finished this video.
+1
Same like mine
Same feelings
Agreed. It felt disappointing to see the below par pass through, it definitely bordered on false advertising from Meta.
Glad to see it is a general problem and not just my unit 😅
Perfect…just the answers I’m after. Exactly what I’m seeing in my Quest 3. So glad I found your channel…you have put my mind to rest. Thought my Quest 3 was bust 😂
I'm glad it helped! And 🤣.. you, me, and thousands of others had the same worry.
it was exactly what im looking for
I thought I had a lemon too, it was grainy as hell lol.
i looked at my box and it was already dropped, made me questioning even more haha
I just got my Quest 3 today and set it up and i also thought the noise and fuzzyness was i that i got defected item. So now im here finding some answers! I'm guessing this is just normal then, i felt abit let down, but the menus and everything else are clean and nice.
This is easily the best and most detailed review on the pass through on the quest 3 I have seen so far. And from what I understand is that people aren’t lying that the pasthrough is good, it just looks much clearer if it’s recorded compared to the somewhat cruddy irl passthrough. I am actually gonna test that now! Thank you again for answering every question I had about it!
Thank you for taking the time to watch!
And yes, fun playing tip if you use your finger to cover the camera, you will be able to confirm that the passthrough is using the same camera you're recording from.
I got the quest 3 because of videos that I saw of people playing in mixed reality and the recording looked so crisp. I was sorely disappointed in the lack of quality of the passthrough camera. But I’m not disappointed in my quest 3 experience thus far. Even just popping out a TH-cam screen in mixed reality is amazing. I hope the quality can be improved though.
same thing we saw a guy working on his car with it... our shop wanted to use it for high end car while doing timing chain and motor rebuild, to get the specs next to us and improve time management and get our apps on it.. sooo deceiving , its a great device for gaming and entertainement but its not there yet to work with. Edit: I forgot to mention that watching sport like hockey with it is Crazy nuts, you have an option to be like seated in the arena and have to turn your head to keep on the game!
@@appache28 oh man yeah I can see how that would be insane help. Hands free manuals and access to quick references. I wonder if you’ll be able to do that with the Apple Vision Pro instead.
That sounds crazy. What app would that be in?
@@Gsxrdannyy we planned to use all data online and oem manufacturer app that are windows based but would have linked by the vr desk kinda of app.
I will research the apple one you mentioned thanks alot!!
@appache28 Well, if you want it for that I wouldn't count on the Vision Pro since it's apples first headset and probably more for standalone stuff and integrating with other apple products. Would go with the Varjo XR 4, they specifically make there headsets for commercial use purpose. I could test the XR 3 shortly last year and it works amazing for stuff like that
ohh thank alot@@grek543210 yes i figured out the apple one by this time, but this is interesting since the comercial aspect, im looking forward to it!
That was a very thoughtful and well done review! You answered all of the questions I had and more. Now that I am able to move past my initial disappointment, I'm beginning to feel that with the crisp graphics that are overelayed onto the grainy background for mixed games at least, whether it will become less of an issue in my peripheral vision. No doubt this will continue to plague for virtual offices. Here's hoping that Meta,s software will be up to the challenge! Thanks again!
I'm glad it was helpful! Thanks for taking the time to watch.
And agreed - the MR experience works because of the overlay graphics.. even in an office setting because once you are in a flow state, you don't really notice your surroundings anyway because you're working on the screens.
I have a full review coming where I share my thoughts on mixed reality as a whole. It will probably take me a couple weeks to get it out because it will be somewhat long.
Thank you for this video! You approached the subject/problem absolutely perfectly and described it honestly in very useful detailed clear way. Well done!
I look forward to more of your reviews of VR tech.
I bought three of the Quest 3's and I noticed my daughter's is noticably more clear than mine in pass-through and some apps. There's definitely an inconsistency in these headsets that I hope software will fix soon. Might get myself a replacement before the return window closes
Interesting! Are both headsets on the same software version / have you rebooted both and still seeing a noticeable difference?
@@aline.tech.reviews gonna check the actual version number, but they both said they were updated fully. My mom's is closer to mine, but her's is the 128gb edition.
@aline.tech.reviews ok typing this on my phone from her device, it's system version 49743630046900510
Version 59.0.0.172.706.535429038
Runtime version 59.0.0.171.706.535429024
Os version SQ3A.220605.009.A1
Yes, my device has the same software version. Both 512gb. Rebooted. Charged fully and drained fully, and with and without the Binbok extra batteries too. I have noticed on mine that there are some instances I notice an improvement on mine un different apps, so I'm leaning towards a bug fix
Or quite possibly inconsistency in the pancake lenses and refraction of light by different apps in certain areas of the screen
probably they have the same focus issues like action cameras. Since the the focus is fixed on those cameras the quality control is important. If the focus wasnt set right, the camera will be blurred on near objectfor example, others go Pros have the sweet spot in the distance and so on. If that is the case with the Quest3 you can not change it with software. The passtrough on mine looks like like a 2006 webcam. I feel only the VR fanatics scream "amazing" because they are used to low standards i guess, For me as VR beginner it looks terrible.
I too am a first time buyer for vr. You spoke my mind exactly, from a technology progession standard it is much better, or so I hear, but to us people watching the ads and glowing reviews from previous vr enthusiasts, it seemed to alter our expectations to something a little more, refined. Like the video said, it's passable. But but I would imagine VR is easier than AR since there are unlimited variables.
@danbarb9728
Thank you for this. I saw another commenter say their pass through was like an webcam and that’s about my experience. I’m glad I’m not the only one.
Excellent honest review. Very refreshing and given me a realistic expectation.
Truly appreciate that, thank you; and glad it helped!
Hands down your video is the best description regarding the Quest3 passthrough quality. I am experiencing exactly as you described and was thinking I may have a defective unit but it appears not. Hopefully software updates will improve this feature. Thanks for the clip buddy.
Appreciate that! Meta just announced yesterday (10/24) that they are confirming future updates will make the quality better - once they have more user data from the cameras for their AI to process and improve upon. I would expect we'll be seeing fairly regular updates until they hit a ceiling.
The quality on the camera is good, so it’s a shame you just don’t get that crispness when you’re in passthrough. Hopefully future software updates will fix this, as it seems to not be a hardware problem.
You just got a new subscriber. Thank you so much for your honesty. I'm still thinking about buying Quest 3. MR was one of the reasons. Thanks to you, I know what to expect. I still think it will be a huge improvement to my current headset (Rift S).
Welcome board!! And thank you for taking the time to watch.
MR has a ways to go in my opinion, but if you want to be there at the ground floor then this is the time. Otherwise, I'd wait a bit to see if more experiences get released! I'm on the developer newsletter list and Meta pushed out occlusion updates to developers with a bunch of new SDK features a couple months back.. so I presume we'll have some awesome experiences on the way. Currently, it still feels like a bit of a gimmick.. and the long-awaited augments was only just released like recently (so recently I don't even have the update on my device yet) but we already know it's going to be a bit gimmicky as well.
This is the most spot on take on the situaltion I have seen. Great work on the video. Listen to this guy!
Truly appreciate that, thanks for watching!!
I also thought my camera lens had some protective film sticker because the passthrough was so blurry
I had only ever used wired VR headsets for my PC, so I was super excited to finally try out a wireless standalone headset for the first time! I got the Quest 3 yesterday for Christmas, and my dad and me have been bringing it around to show to friends and family the cool mixed reality features (first encounter) during my experience with it, I was actually able to read my phone and computer screen/keyboard pretty well. Of course, it did strain my eyes a bit, so I eventually just opted to remove the headset to see. As for other things not so small, I didn't really have much issue other than the blurry edges when moving around a lot. I personally thought it was extremely cool to use, however I do agree that the ads do not show a true depiction of what it actually looks like inside the headset.
I love my headset, and I plan to continue using it
Love to hear it!
Able to see your computer screen seems like major clarity; any idea what type of display/panel you have (OLED, LED : IPS / VA / TN)? Even after I got to a point where I could read my OLED phone, I still can't read my IPS computer displays (unless I scale the UI/fonts up a lot).
Also love mine! Excited to see what new stuff comes in the future now that they have mixed reality occlusion ready for developers to take advantage of and full upper body tracking. Should be a fun couple years.
Finally someone that explained all my concerns. All in one.
Thank you 🙏🏽 Instant subscribed to your channel. 👌🏽👌🏽😎
Appreciate that, and I'm glad I could help!! Welcome aboard. =)
I should have my full Quest 3 review completed this week.
I love how real you are. Most youtubers are reviewing in a bubble. Subbed ❤
Really appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to watch. =)
I think the instant processing may need some improvement. It strongly depends where you are! I live at two places and one of them makes the camera look really bad and the other makes it really really good!!! But the lighting conditions are pretty much the same
The most accurate video about passthrough. I really started thiniking that my headset have any kind of issue. Thanks for clarifying this topic
Really appreciate that, and of course, thanks for watching!
Big brain video, much appreciated.
Love and blessings!
Thank you for taking the time to watch! Appreciate you!
Thank you for this video I was worried I got mine damaged
He explained it best. It looks waaaaay better in videos and when you record gameplay rather than what you actually see in the headset
To echo everyone else, I thought I had a broken headset. My wife had me try it out before it gets wrapped up for Christmas. My heart sank when I saw the pass through. The VR was really awesome though. This is my first time using/playing VR. Got slightly dizzy lol
Thanks so much for this, I just got my quest 3 and thought it was broken and was going to return it, but your video makes it appear that what I see is the expectation
Of course, thank you for watching! I have thousands of user comments now and can confirm this is normal.
As a returning customer, the quality that was promised vs what was given was slightly disappointing, but the quality I was used to with Quest 2 vs the quality I‘m getting with the Quest 3, I‘m still super happy with the result, for my personal application (DJing in Passthrough and recording POV) it is a gamechanger and works well enough - not as great as I had hoped for, but good enough to where it works and makes me happy with my purchase.
Agreed, and good to hear it served your purpose. That's an awesome use case that I hadn't considered - do you upload your sets anywhere I can see the POV for fun?
Also, if you were new to DJing and didn't know where all the buttons were, would you be able to read all the levels and dials?
Wish I watched this before I bought it! Had exactly the same expectations from other reviews and I checked for protective films too 😂. Great review dude please keep it up!! 👍
😂 - they bamboozled us good. And I really appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to watch!
Idk if it’s just me but when I first was setting up the quest 3 the passthrough was horrible where as you said I couldn’t even read my phone. After downloading all the updates finishing the setup and restarting the passthrough did get a lot better. In terms of reading my phone I was finally able to actually read most things in my phone including text and other things around my house. The quality and grainy were somewhat the same but visibility got a lot better with text and such. Maybe just me tho.
Best description for the Meta 3 pass through 👍🏻
Woot! Glad to hear it. =)
Yeah, I think that all the pre-tests with recorded footage might have affected the expetetaions slighlty 😀. SO I am happy with it. In mixed reality games it´s imersive enough for me. Sure it can be better (a lot), but can it be done to an affordable price tag? For me, I can read text on my monitor in normal font size. It´s a bit wobbly sometime and grainy of course. But it works.
I had photo as a hobby before and took what is called "photospheres", like you turn around and take several photos that is stitched to a 360 image, this work well if you are in an area where objects are far away, like you strand in a field in a rural landscape, but when object come closer and have a background a bit away it became almost impossible to stitch the images together, and that on a powerful PC that spent up to 10 minutes try to warp each image to get a perfect fit, that headset try to do the same thing in real time with a weaker CPU, and even more amazing if it can do so with a phone on a half arm length away when it is in an area between the lenses in a spot where optics always get a bit blurry and distorted. I do not have that headset, but you need to get the camera in a straight line in front of one of the lenses, and my guess is that those lenses is sat to have a perfect focus around 170 to 200 cm, onder that and things will start to get out of focus and need sharpening.
I just got mine today and I to was surprised how grainy and blurry pass through was compared to what youtube videos show... But the in game graphics are great!
That’s Incredibly Awesome! Have a great weekend! 🤗❤️✨
Thank you! You too!
Very solid and honest review, this was exactly my experience. The passthrough is probably not a reason to upgrade, but the other features like the pancake lenses and better resolution make it worth it.
Appreciate that, and thanks for taking the time to watch!
And most definitely agreed.
Mine works just fine when close it looks really blurry but the farther away you get it looks way from a arm length away it works just fine even with pretty bad lighting
if you adjust the eye spacer with eye distance on quest 2. middle is clearer. depends if your gaming or watching movie and. need passthru
i just got a pair and i immediately got motion sick from the pass thru, super blurry without pass thru i'm not getting vertigo. i thought lighting would help and so i turned on a super bright desk lamp but literally no change
Yeah the pass through on the Q3 is garbage
Yea, the recent update helped a lot with saturation and color science, but didn't improve any of the grainy/blurry noise for me.
@@aline.tech.reviews Passthrough just got updated again, would be cool if you did a video on it!
Another possible solution would be to position a window with the raw camera output somewhere in your field of vision and look at that when you need to discern fine details. Not sure if this is possible at the moment.
Interesting idea I hadn't considered! I don't believe that's natively possible but I will try to see if I can't load the camera app view at the same time
Hows the refresh rate feel on the virtual monitors during pass through? Does it feel like a smooth experience or is it a bit shaky, laggy when you move your head around? Always hard to fully tell in reviewer videos :)
Let me get back to you on this with my full opinion, after I have tested more apps! But for giggles I'm typing first quick opinions to you now from inside Workrooms in passthrough. So far, I've only tried 1 of many virtual desktop options that supports passthrough, and that is Workrooms.
In Workrooms (the default Meta version), the displays seem limited to 1920x1200 (up to 3 of them). All locked at what seems to be 60hz. It's fairly smooth; there's a little jitteriness around the edges when you move your head, and the screens do wiggle a bit.. but it's not something that throws me off at all because there's also a motion blur that happens as you move your head that smooths it out and makes it feel "natural". It's hard to put into words how the wiggle looks, but its like the pixels are slightly shifting their perspective to fit where you're looking better. The screens are fairly "locked in space" (in general I feel all the VR windows/settings/etc. "lock" super well into 3d space.. it's really impressive how well that feature works when you walk around your house). If I headbang like I'm at a rock concert, then I can exaggerate it, but it still doesn't get that bad! I have found that the when in full passthrough mode, though, the cameras are worse than they are when just using passthrough by itself to walk around.. so your environment gets extra blurry, a little wavy and warps as you move your head (way more movement than the slight wiggle from the screens). When I'm at my desk and actively working, I prefer to be in the virtual environment using the passthrough window to see only my keyboard/mouse - and then I tap out to full passthrough if I am doing something outside of direct PC focus.
Important note keep in mind that the resolution isn't going to match your triple monitor widescreen setup in here - there's just not enough pixels to go around so the crispness of your screens is reduced (but still usable!). I'd say that's probably the biggest limitation I've found as it makes reading text for a long time difficult.
In Quest Link mode, though, you can use your full screen resolution as a massive display in front of you which makes it feel like you're in an IMAX front row. I can't tell what refresh rate it's at though, it can't match my monitor and feels like 60hz still. There's also no passthrough option in here that I can find.. so it's fully a virtual world with your screen in front of you. The experience and fidelity of the screen in this space is much better than the Workrooms passthrough, but I can only seem to have 1 screen up at a time.
There are 2 more apps that I'm going to finish testing out "Immersed VR" and "Virtual Desktop" - they both support passthrough and the latter has 120hz support now. They also give you much more control over your virtual screen size/placement/etc. I need a lot more time to play with them and test before I can give my opinions! I haven't had time to set up the latter as it requires a 5ghz router connected to your PC and I spent the past two weeks playing with passthrough cameras and making this video.. but I have set myself a reminder to check back in with you here as I do plan to test them all this weekend.
@@aline.tech.reviews wow thank you sooooo much for the massive in depth answer!! It sounds like it is totally useable then in workrooms and the pass through us totally useable and tough to make it looks bad. Now I'm very curious to hear what you have to say when you test out Immersed VR and Virtual Desktop. A 120hz experience has to feel l buttery smooth compared to the 60hz just like when phones finally made that jump and I could never look at a 60hz screen the same way again. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your updates!
I thought i had a problem with my passthrough view too. thank you for explaining it. But everything else is awesome. i will keep this and will continue to use it. This is my first vr headset. if i had the money, i would have gotten the apple VIsion one.
Dude is actually so helpful thank you so much
Sure thing! Thank you for taking the time to watch
no problem i also subbed! i felt like i was the only one having this problem since everyone said its all about lighting do you happen to have a discord server? Its easier for me to stay updated that way😁
Welcome aboard!
I don't have one currently, I'm a bit small and still getting my TH-cam sea legs; once I am able to get videos out more quickly and have time to managed a Discord, I'll definitely create one!
I experienced same thing when i put it on i was seeing everything grainy i googled it to see what’s wrong ppl were saying that it has problem with light and then i turned my led lights on white and turned them on and all other lights in the room it was still same nothing else to do i decided to return it and get refund🤷🏻
half way through the video , i knew i wont need to research anymore .... thank you bro
Amytime fam, glad it was helpful!
Are there settings you can change in the system. I used the meta 3 last night for the first time and my passthrough quality was non-existent. It was horrible. Any tips on how to improve it? I bought this mostly for gaming so I guess pass through doesn’t matter all that much.
Not anything that seems to help with passthrough - you can turn up the brightness of your screen to see better and adjust the speed of the cameras to match your light frequencies in your country. The biggest change you can make is to the lighting in your room - focusing on even, white light (avoiding warm/yellow light).
But yea, as you said, passthrough still seems best served for just getting around obstacles or grabbing a drink mid-game so you don't have to take the headset off. The other aspects of it are mostly novel, goofy experiences.
My too so bad , I even thought my unit might be fake
I still think mine is fake.
Im glad someone is saying this, the way people go on about this I thought my headset was faulty
I picked up my headset back in October, hadn't seen any marketing "hype" for it and my only other exposure to VR was via WMR. Honestly didn't know there was any controversy regarding the passthrough because it was just miles ahead of what I'd experienced with WMR. Could it be better? Of course, everything could be better. Is it a dealbeaker because the passthough experience isn't like wearing nothing at all? I don't think so.
MR graininess is not so significant a problem for me as the distortions caused by nearby objects, such as your hands. I could read the Wi-Fi password from the screen of my iPhone through the Q3, I can see my keyboard, and even read most of the text on the monitor while wearing Q3.... but those distortions are bugging me.
Yea, I can definitely see that! I luckily dont put my hands close often, but when I do, the warping is intense.
Meta just released an official statement, yesterday, saying that the passthrough quality will improve and they should be able to reduce warping as their software improves and AI has more user camera data to process for all lighting conditions.
My passthrough works kickass right now.. but the next moments aren't up to me 🙄
Man I was hoping I could fix it. Everything is blurry to me including the apps
Apps as in the virtual menus / apps screens / settings /etc.? If so, that sounds like a different issue and one you can likely fix with either changing your IPD setting, adjusting the headset on your face, or checking your vision. If all 3 are good, then I would suggest you exchange for a new one - because all the virtual aspects should be pretty crispy and clear.
This video is only commenting on the passthrough cameras, where you see your real world environment through the cameras.. not the menus/etc.
just processed a return for mine, i saw the clear high res passthrough vids posted online and like a fish i was hooked, oh well guess ill wait until it gets better, at least i learned a bit from this
Sorry to hear that =( Yea, I think the next generation will have better passthrough now that Meta will want to top/match the AVP offering
hello , could you do an update of this topic , with the new 62 update , i noticed that my headset had a better passthrough when it was in 59 , but as the updates keep getting better handstracking , the headset started to ask for better illumination each time , as if the fix they found for low light handstracking was to trick the headset to think its allways low light and the result its a grainy experience.
Im not saying the it was perfect but it was a lot better image quality, now noticing that for this video you where in 57 version would be usefull to know if it was a change for you quest 3 or it is something that just affected later batches.
Most definitely, this is a good idea.
As of this past weekend, I still didnt have the latest version. I will test at my current version to get my baseline memory set and then will update and can make a video
Coming from quest 2. Quest 3 pass-through looks amazing. I can read my phone and pc monitor just fine
So compared to vision pro, pass through is so much better on live view? What about watching movies or playing games? Are those grainy too?
Watching movies and playing games is not nearly as grainy as the passthrough experience! The passthrough is unique and has a lot of noise from the cameras + is doing a lot of compression/stitching/mapping.
I generally find that movies and games are high quality. For example, even watching TH-cam videos on a giant theatre screen looks awesome. It's nowhere near a 4k OLED TV, and you can see gaps between and individual pixels if you look for them, but it's definitely good enough. It's even better in games because you are immersed in the experience and pay less attention to things like the screen door effect/gaps between pixels; this is especially true if you use Quest Games Optimizer or run a PCVR game.
I have experienced both situation. Same room same lighting conditions and same headset. Sometimes I can use my phone, reply messages like I do without the headset and sometimes I can’t even read a simple message. I just can’t figure out why.
I also don't know, but it might be worth checking the position of the headset on your face!
I recently got the "BoboVR" head strap (I put a link to it in the pinned comment on this video), and it is much more stable/secure on the head which allows me to get the perfect viewing angle every time. With the default strap, the headset would move around a bit on my head which would de-align it from my eyeballs.
You could test this by playing with the position on your face the next time you see it's blurry, and you can't read a message, to see if you can find that "sweet spot" to make it readable again. You can simply move the headset around your face with your hands to look for it.
I had mine since launch but i dont know if its just mine or its normal for all Q3's but i will see white pixels that shows up in random spots in passthrough even looking at MR UI and maybe even in MR environments tho i dont recall seeing this playing VR games.
I get the same in most environments - little white bugs crawling all around - but it does not extend to the UI elements as far as I can tell.
I do get it on the UI elements SOMETIMES, but it typically seems to be only when the device is overheating after extended use or a lot of movement.
I initially used the Quest 3 at night with just the room lights on, so I thought the bad video quality was understandable.
But then I tried it the next morning, and it was almost equally as grainy in a pretty well lit room.
Like you say, the video output is so much different from the quality through the lenses, so it's almost impossible to get an accurate representation of what the quality is really like.
I can't wait to see your review on Apple Vision's pass through. Great video
🤣. You buying?
And thank you! I really appreciate that.
i was surprised how good it was but my last headset was the vive where it was crap. I like the fact its clear enough to walk about and not bump into things though :) my eyes are not good so i have to have my phone in easyt mode to make the icons bigger which mean i can read them better in vr too
Good review, I subscribed.
Truly appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to watch and sub!
amazing vid. you deserve so much more attention lol, quality is 10/10
Truly appreciate that! We're definitely building our way up =)
Thanks for the advise on device brightness. I was wondering why my entire S24 ultra screen was washing out and so over saturated and realized it was because I had it on max brightness. dropping it to 20% brightness made the colors more accurate and the ohone actually readable. My macbook screen on the other hand feels like I'm blind and I need to squint to make out what I type. The keyboard itself is easy to read but the screen is unuseable.
You're very welcome, I'm glad it helped!
I haven't had a ton of luck with my computer monitors, either 😔 They push out too much light unless you have an OLED screen with a black background.
I have a 2nd hand Q2 and I'm literally PM-ing someone right now to get a 2nd hand Q3 just for the pass through for work/play purposes. Thanks for the in depth video. I'll probably hold off for a while and maybe look into 49-inch monitors instead. Thanks.
You're very welcome! I'd argue it's AMAZING for play and goofing around, but NOT AT ALL beneficial for work. If your focus is productivity then you should wait for the Immersed Visor or the next iteration of the Apple Vision Pro (this first one is excellent so far, but not worth $3,500). IMO, for work, a 49-inch display is going to benefit you much more.
After experiencing psvr2 pass through I can say that the meta quest 3 is actually impressive right now. It’s not as crisp as I thought it would be. However, I can see in COLOR and walk around the house with out having to take the headset off
The best buy display model looks so clear compared to my grainy passthrough i was shocked i think im going to try and exchange it
I saw a video from a channel that claimed after multiple factory resets his past through got significantly better " night a day" difference and he had before and after samples filmed through the lens from a camera I haven't tried it but he also didnt have a conclusion on what could be causing it
Maybe i have a defective one.....but my display is too dam dark....like a solid 30-40% less bright than my quest 2.....anybody else have this problem? Ive already turned the brighteness up in the settings menu
I noticed that sometimes when I turn a really bright light on , it seem to capture a really crisp image for a split second only to return to a slightly better pixel mess after that. So maybe there is still some little chance it may be fixed with software.
Also I don’t understand why it looks so good when you look at the recording from phone but so bad in glasses.
I think that's just the white balance calibrating - it over-exposes everything in that minute while it's finding the balanced spot.
There's a lot of processing going on to stitch those 2 cameras angles together and map them to your lenses in a way that makes sense (while also processing the controllers, the game elements, UI, etc.). It likely means they have to compress it a lot because of the amount of data that's going through in real time - otherwise it would be a sluggish and awful experience. It may get better if they can optimize things.
My house looks terrible in the passthrough but when i took it to my friends it looked great in comparison the lighting was white lights but i didnt think it would be such an improvement. Still if people are looking for a good AR headset wait a few generations.
Great video! Not the answer I was hoping for but hopefully things will improve, I'd like to be able to use my phone when necessary while using the headset but that's not really a possibility currently
Thank you! Try turning down your phone's screen brightness to see if that helps at all for you - that helped me able to read my phone in most situations.
I actually had to replace my Quest 3 because I noticed it had some dead pixels, and I feel as if that one had much better MR passthrough quality in comparison to the one I'm using now.
One reason I think that reports are mixed. For users in Europe, you either have to choose ( via settings>headset tracking ) between syncing the headset to your lighting (50hz) or to your monitor frequency (60hz). The former will give you good tracking, and stop lights from flickering, the latter will allow you to see your mobile or computer screens clearly. If you are lucky you have a display or mobile that can do 120hz+ since that will give you the best of both worlds
Thanks for this! I thought the camera was broken or damaged the first time i used it, now i know its how its supposed to be 😂
Haha, you and so many others! Glad it helped =)
Thanks for all the info.
Have you ever checked the XReal glasses? Some people say they work fine and are much cheaper!
Looking forward to the full review 👍
Thanks for your continued support!!
I have them in my wishlist, but I haven't purchased yet! I will probably cop a pair here for black friday / cyber monday online sales. I'm excited to try them out
Crazy coincidence but the XReal Air 2 had just gone on sale and had their influencer early reviews launched yesterday - I preordered a pair so that I can review.
@aline.tech.reviews
What a coincidence!
I look forward to that review. I'm a trader, and just like you I spend all day at home staring at the screens, so if the XReal glasses are any good, I will be buying them 🤞
Ahyup. Thought I had gotten a faulty unit when I first picked up the quest 3 migrating from the Oculus Rift CV1. Especially when the setup tells me to scan a QR code on the phone, but the passthrough was so bad that was impossible no matter how much I tried in different rooms and lighting conditions. Why have a scan feature when it doesn't work. Also black flickering appearing now and then (usually only on the right lens) made me unable to handle using the passthrough at all. Had one unit before that I had to return because of loose joystick, passthrough I think was similar but didn't experience the black flickering on the previous unit.
Same!
RE: the black flickering, did you update to the latest firmware and also check your lighting hertz settings in the settings menu (there are 2 lighting choices - if you don't match the type of lights in your country/home then you could get this banding effect). Otherwise, I'd suggest going for another RMA.
Thank you for the helpful reply! Unfortunately hadn't been home to test this until now. It seems like the passthrough does work now however when it comes to that flickering, so possible the update did fix this. I set the hertz to my country still which was a useful tip! Thanks again!@@aline.tech.reviews
I watched a very interesting video by Bringhurst VR yesterday - he reset his headset 6-8 times and on the last factory reset - BOOM! - the passthorugh was crisp and clear. He had no explanation and he has been highly critical of the passthrough quality, trying desperately to get it to improve. Somehow, after multiple resets, he got it! His passthrough is so clear, people on Reddit thought he was trolling with his through-lens filming with a phone - they accused him of actually removing the internals and shooting through the headset through plain glass! I don't know, but mine is grainy as well and I'm quite tempted to do a few resets to see if I can get that kind of clarity.
Interesting. That definitely sounds wild and implausible, but I will hold reservations until I watch the video and try it!
Resetting the device should be easy enough because you dont need to log in before you can see the passthrough quality (if I remember correctly, the setup process was happening in passthrough).
1:20 THIS right here. All of the footage made me think that's what I would see! I thought my headset was defective. It's terrible that all of the footage made me think that's what it would look like.
This is the first video review I've found that has discussed this and has shown an idea of what we see
Yea, the footage showed pre-sale was definitely misleading 😔
maybe there is QA issues. I have a 512gb quest 3. and can read my phone screen (admittedly just barely). and also have no problem seeing my keyboard keys.
However I also wear glasses. so I'm use to making out blurry details when not wearing my glasses, don't know if that helps
I don't think so! It sounds like we may have the same experience. Toward the end of this video, I showed how I was able to get my phone to a readable level and how using a monitor light bar helps me read my keyboard keys.
I can't read all the small text, a good example is Spotify playlist descriptions. Its more I can sometimes see the outline of words and guess based on context - but theres not many scenarios where I need to read that small of text.
I have not imagined working while crossing asteroids, just to imagine... is so f insane. Wow now I def need to have that experience. I would love to have ISS realtime view as my working background, thats nuts! What a great idea!!
Yes, floating around Earth would also be amazing!!
See you in space, my friend!
Yeah the pass trough is like a 480p grainy webcam that’s also distorted but it’s still better than my old headset. However If I want to read something i have to get really close to it
I was also confused, every video I see shows the passthrough as super clear and mine is pretty grainy. The mixed reality is clear but the background of my room is grainy. I couldn't tell if I have a broken system or the videos online were misleading. It is WAAAAAY better than the 2 and Mixed reality is playable but was disappointed as it feels like false advertising. It does make me excited for say the Quest 5 or 6 as it is headed into a cool direction.
I just got the Quest 3 today, and like you said, it was a blurry mess. The only thing nice about it is that it was emitting images in colors versus the ones I used in the past which were black and white. Also, I noticed the virtual objects that I played with during the setup, the image quality is slightly better than previous gen. For anyone new user, keep your expectation low, the pass through world through the quest 3 lens seems like you are wondering in the dream, like that unclear dark fuzzy world that you often witness yourself in your dream. Other than that games are better looking than previous gen, at the moment, I am checking out videos and tips n tricks to optimize my experience.
Appreciate you sharing your experience! I like your dark fuzzy world dream comparison.
RE: optimizing your experience, if you haven't yet check out the Quest Games Optimizer. It's $10, but allows you to force increased resolution for games that run (and they have a ton of pre-built profiles for all the popular games so you don't have to fiddle around with settings much). This boost to the cpu/gpu and redering resolution will come at the cost of decreased playtime as it will suck up battery. I'm compary batteries for a video now but so far the BoboVR S3 is coming out on top with nearly 5 hours of play time.
@@aline.tech.reviews Just in time, I bought this today and noticed that battery was running out way sooner than it's supposed to. :)
same experience im curious how the apple vision pro is going to look. People who tried app said quest 3 is a 8 and avp is 9. i can read my phone and computer unless the screen is to bright. i still like it. i made this comment with it.
I’ve not really used pass through before, but I’m able to read my phone fine with no fiddling
I never honestly expected the cameras to actually display any good quality, BUT watching what other people were seeing through the eyes of theirs and then seeing mine, I am kind of confused as to why that would be. Is it because they are using the record a video feature instead?
That's correct! Even if you saw someone record with their phone camera through the lens, it still wouldn't be accurate as phones run all kinds of denoising / sharpening / etc. magic to make images look good.
Bro Please Only Tell me Can I enjoy full movie experience like Cinema Hall? Imax type? Huge screen?
You can! Check out my full review.. somewhere in the use cases section I showcase a bunch of video options. Some of the theaters even have real-time lighting that matches with the video experience, so the screen feels like it's lighting up your surrounding (which is pretty immersive).
The quality/resolution isn't super crisp (so don't expect an IMAX or even 4k resolution or clarity, but it's good enough to watch movies, especially because you get 'immersed' in the experience since you are blocked off from the real world).
@@aline.tech.reviews Bro Just tell me is it better then Home theater? Please
Yea, I would argue it's better (more immersive) than a home theatre (unless you have an expensive home theater). Plus, you can take it with you anywhere.. in your bed, in the bathroom, on the balcony, on the bus, etc.
The quality of the screen won't be as good as a 2k or 4k TV.. but you can make it like an IMAX size so that its incredibly fun to watch.
Weird when recorded its clear but its not clear when displayed in the headset.. is it becase headset needs it high resolution like 4k vid?
I believe it's due to the amount of processing that has to be done in real time to display the image in the headset. For instance, there are 2 cameras looking at the same general area, so there is either an overlap where the 2 cameras are seeing the same objects or a blind spot - so the software has to stich both the cameras together in real time and get rid of those problem areas using the cameras and other sensors on the headset. Then, it has to map flat images to your viewing perspective inside the lenses. On top of that, it's processing to track your hands / controllers / any games you may have running that are placing stuff in the space / etc. .. while also keeping track of your boundaries, lighting conditions, and everything else happening in real time.
It has something to do with the lighting, I just don't know how to perfect it though. My kitchen was working perfectly last night, barely any grainyness other then the more darker areas of the room, but the room I usually use it for.. I've even put more light bulbs in and I just can't perfect it. Maybe it's the light style itself that can make or break the passthrough? I just wish I knew what to do for my own room to make it as clear as possible.
I have found a couple things that might help below! Also, kitchens are known for being much more well-lit that other parts of homes.
In my testing, cool light (5400k+) does better for me than warmer yellow light. All my home/ceiling LED lights are on the warmer spectrum, but all my studio/light strips can go to cool light which is better quality IMO. It feels like the headset will correct warm lights to be cool/white lights if they are the only lights in the scene, which causes everything to get blown own and extra grainy.
I've found that the even distribution of light is more important than a bright light. For example, a single high powered lamp that lights up the whole room is going to do worse than 12 smaller powered lamps evenly dispersed across all the corners. It seems like it prefers a good average of lighting over a single hotspot that fades out across the room.
All anecdotal from my own experiences, but that's what I found helped me. I also open all my windows/doors/etc. if I want a clearer experience, to let the sunlight in.
I have hope that firmware will help fix these issues. If people can get old iphone 4 cameras to look good with software, these can be made to look really good too.
Nice video but the battery life is low do you have any external battery products you recommend?
Everyone has recommended me the "BoboVR M3 Pro" - it has been in high demand and has been hard to catch in stock.. looks like you can order one on Amazon now and get it by the 20-27th.
Mine doesn't get here until next week - I plan to review it once it lands. I put a link to it for you in my pinned comment on this video.
@@aline.tech.reviewsthanks you deserve more subs keep up the good work
My first VR headset and my friend hyped up the pass through so much as he was a quest 2 user, needless to say I’m a bit disappointed about this fact that it’s not good. But overall, the vr alone is very fun and impressive