It should not have been Cops vs. Criminals. It should’ve just been Cops vs. Citizens. Both these groups are going to have an obvious bias towards the other. Also, it’s more likely that the criminals will be less educated while the cops are more likely to be educated to a certain degree. The only ones I enjoyed from that side was Donna and Bonnie.
No, it's not blown out of proportion. Their purpose should be to keep people safe and be role models. Instead, when they commit violence they get protected, fired and re-employed at other departments, and on and on. As it stands now, their job is to lie, intimidate people into compliance, and run a razor thin line on the side of legality. Their job is, by definition, violence. And when they cross that line into illegal behavior, they should be humiliated and hung out to dry. Not protected.
Media corporations get huge amounts of money from over reporting and over dramatizing many issues, police violence being one of them. It’s as simple as that
yes and no. I can only speak of the things i see in Media since im from Germany and we dont have such Problems. I know many Europeans say that but: Its the Guns fault. Police has to be armed because every citizen can be aswell. How often have you done things like cussing at a loved one because youre in a bad mood? Its the same just aggrevated to way higher level. If you had no Guns you would have not that level of threat that criminals bring. Someone robs a cornerstore with a knife is way easier to take control of than a robber with a Gun. So Yes and No. Police is mad because colleagues getting murdered left and right but so are the communities if a loved one getting killed because some cop has a trigger finger. This chain of violence will not stop if the weapons are so easy to come by-
59:55 That guy Charlie got up and walked out without even applauding. You get the feeling that it's him who's the problem, not the cops who've had to deal with him.
@@Spookybozoand until he deals with that anger, it’ll keep happening to him if he’s gonna be that defensive all the time. I’m not a cop and he was even pissing me off.
Charlie is.... something. "If my daughter gets kidnapped, I'm not calling the police. I'm going to try to find her myself." As a daughter, please, dads, call the police if we get kidnapped.
Yeah he seemed very traumatized, understandably so- but I think he was talking more out of emotion than anything else. Especially saying he was addicted to the news, seeing as the news is geared and targeted to run one specific narrative. (I'm not with or against cops, just something I noticed about Charlie's narrative)
Respectfully the moderator failed this middle ground. So much interrupting and talking over that had it been dealt with would’ve added to a much more helpful middle ground 😔
My town has a family called the Seelingers. Meth family, domestic abuse, theft, assault. They’re known for causing trouble and being all around unrepentant and violent. No one I know has any sympathy for them. With a criminal record as long as that family’s, it’s hard to even want to have sympathy.
Coming from someone with 13 felony’s. These criminals just want to continue to be criminals easier. No way every single interaction with them in the last 15 years has been bad. And if it has the question is, how did THEY treat the cop when he approached them
@@turnbasedtoddy7664 I don't think it necessarily matters what order they filmed... the fact of the matter is that AT SOME POINT... Scar was irritated with the questions and how the conversations were being moderated. Plus, I don't even believe that it was actually filmed out of order and you're just saying how you think EVERY production operates. The types of questions that were asked and the order that they are in make PERFECT sense as to why they would have actually asked them in the order that they are in the video. Plus, if you really pay attention, there are a lot of moments that people bring up ideas that were spoken about in previous prompts. For example... the fact that they kept bringing up the women having been sexually assaulted. If the prompts were in a different order, they wouldn't have known that the women had those experiences or brought them up later in the video if they were out of order. Not to mention... they wouldn't have even PUT that clip of him saying he didn't want to continue if it wasn't being filmed in progressive order of the video. What would be the point?
Charlie is the epitome of why ex-convicts get a bad rep. He's ignorant, rude, and refuses to act like a civilian even in a setting where he isn't under distress or threat.
Imagine yourself in a room with 4 people who represent a type of people that have wrongfully made your life hard hundreds, if not thousands, of times and then type that ignorant & rude comment again 😉
Every woman in that group confessed about being sexually abused. THAT is a problem that needs to be addressed and a heavy topic to discuss. Praying for healing and strength to all.
So don't misunderstand what i'm saying, but my sister in law worked at a woman's prison, and I have known a lot of correction officers , and its kind of a known thing that if you go to a woman's prison EVERY woman there will tell you they "got raped by the cops on the way to/from jail" i'm not saying they're making it up, but its a story that is repeated so much and always in the same way, its hard to know when its legit or not. Because most of the time its not.
Hey Jubilee. This type of discussion needs a facilitator. This conversation was so important and could have been so much more effective with a strong facilitator directing the discussion. Thank you to each side for being vulnerable and sharing their experiences.
Lol the guy in the blue jacket cant stop being a cop for 2 mins and it shows from 53:40 forward this was perfect it shows that cops ain't shet and that's what slot of people don't like about it they were hoping it would show something else😂
I understand your reasoning for more facilitation but what I like about MG, is that they allow people to navigate through the tough conversations themselves. Even if the conversation “fails” so to speak, you still see a lot of truth in those moments.
It was very clear that all the ex felons were severely traumatized it definitely felt like a third group was needed like maybe a non-criminal perspective
If Jubilee has any money from this they should put it where their mouth is and put it towards organizations trying to heal this trauma and end police violence.
Most definitely, these are people who spent years in prisons and jails which at the bare minimum is severely traumatizing, whether you did something or not. They spoke about what the police did to them when they weren't even committing crimes! The police officers can sympathize with the convicts but definitely cannot empathize.
THAT GIRL SAYING HE NEEDED TO HAVE MORE PATIENCE AFTER GETTING INTERRUPTED SEVERAL TIMES AFTER LETTING THE OTHER GUY SAY EVERYTHING HE NEEDED TO SAY SENT ME OVER THE EDGE
Jubilee literally encouraged it to!! they never intervened when he talked over him for a SOLID MINUTE, they only intervene when he points out that he wants an actual debate setting where he can TALK. EVEN THEN THEY LET CHARLIE CREATE AN ENTIRE ESSAY AND THEN SILENCE THE COP AND TELL HIM TO WAIT HIS TURN WHEN HE TRIES TO INTERJECT. not only THAT but they had the gal to move onto the next question ebfore even letting him finish. They handled this HORRIBLY, shame on jubilee.
@@72horses75 I've noticed @jubilee does this semi-often from the videos I've seen. They're trying to virtue signaling and it's super obvious to anyone with an above room temp. I.Q.
These criminals have a serious victim complex. Describing yourself as an animal in a corner? The cops don't come out of nowhere to harass you, they're coming for you because you're breaking the law.
That's not true, when police don't even know what constitutes a legal detainment then you cannot enforce the law. How can you say you enforce the law when you don't even know it?
Next time, Jubilee, intervene and show authority if you’re hosting a debate. There’s a difference between letting a feud resolve itself and letting someone take something completely off base/take over the topic.
100% agree! I usually enjoy jubilee videos but this one missed the mark completely as far as handling the interviewees and making sure everyone had a chance to speak
No, I enjoy the unfiltered discussions being taken. Middle ground used to be heavily edited, people have requested for this as it's counter-intuitive to edit/intervene in a discussion meant to show both sides.
I agree. If you, as a youtube channel, put together these debates, you have the responsibility to manage when someone interrupts someone else to the point where they cannot get their thoughts across. I swear, lately, I've felt that people like Charlie get away with these things in middle ground whereas in episodes before, it wasn't like this. I don't care who you are, everyone deserves a turn to speak, that's just human decency. Please guys, this is a great concept, I can't sit here and watch how people just don't have respect for other people's thoughts and views where they don't even allow them to speak. It's truly a miserable viewing experience.
@@aClownBaby- sexual harassment is not the same as experiencing a rape though. I would say they are completely different. One is more traumatizing than the other.
OR, not undermining the seriousness of rape, but it could be what they claimed to happen. These days the word rape and assault is just too cheap for me personally.
when the participants are asking for moderation because they can't get a word out and try to leave because of how hostile everything has become, that's how you know it's gone too far. when the premise of the show begins with two groups at odds with one another-- and especially this episode since you're already starting with a power dynamic, there really needs to be more active moderation and intention behind the prompts/production imo
No he tried to leave because he's not educated enough for the debate "I'm trying to get my point across that fck the police you know what I mean" very sophisticated perspective.
It's funny cause the person complaining that they couldn't get a word in was constantly cutting people off mid-sentence to get his own word in, like the video was only about him and his experiences.
I can see why Charlie would have bad experiences with anyone. At around 29:50 when Marlon is trying to explain what he would have done Charlie keeps interrupting him, talking over him, and generally being disrespectful. Charlie was able to go through his whole broke-down car, flat tire scenario but wouldn't even let Marlon respond. Jubilee needs to do a better job of allowing the other side to respond. Respect goes both ways regardless of who you are talking to.
@@ds82wrestlingthese specific cops weren’t the ones who mishandled this gentlemen. Yet he still disrespects, interrupts and rejects to even listen to the other side. How can he want to reach middle ground(I hope everyone is) if he doesn’t even want to listen to the other side?
@@cristianfilmz24 I 100% agree. That's what I am saying, he is hostile here, I am sure he was hostile to any officers on the street as well. Probably even more so.
This is Jubilee...it is the modern, less offensive, more tamed, and less dramatic version of Jerry Springer for TH-cam. It is all set up and edited for entertainment and the masses flock to it for the entertainment factor in the belief that it is all real as it can be! lol
This is why the Bodycam and Dashcam are some of the best social inventions to date. We can now SEE the truth behind the policing, and there are records of what cops do.
Scar did point out a flaw in the uvalde thing when the cop was listing school shootings, he tried to speak up that they happened despite armed cops being there, but was interrupted. This episode was really good, but could've had some more mediating from the jubilee team to make sure everyone gets a chance to speak their mind.
@@kaylao.3326 Yes, but scar and the others probably didn't see that. I mostly think he just should've gotten a chance to speak during that conversation
Wild AF that Charlie interrupted Marlon over and over again causing him to be visibly frustrated and instead of checking Charlie, the ex-cons started telling Marlon that he needs to stay calm. The lack of self-awareness and accountability is appalling
I mean the way i see it the ex convicts all did things to land them up in prison. These people obviously have some problems and you can visibly see this manifest throughout the video. The guy walking out, charlie i mean like seriously
This is valid. Charlie 100% was being an a**hole. In the same breath, this is a profession that Requires a great deal of patience. And if you can’t manage it, it’s truly not the role for you.
That jabroni is seriously bringing up Uvalde as an example of needing police?! They wouldn’t go inside to help and stopped parents from going in and helping. Absolutely embarrassing
That cop had a lot more patience than I would have I couldn't sit in that conversation Charlie barley hit jjc and apparently no one popped him in the jaw for talking to much in a sense I definitely know homie isn't an actual convict he wouldn't have lasted to long unless he was in pc or he could fight
As a Korean living in the states, ex convicts not wanting cops to handle firearm using other countries where cops do not carry guns while respecting 2nd amendments baffles me. Yes, cops from my home country does not carry firearms but that is because we DO NOT have firearm incidents. However, in the states cops do not have that luxury.
For real. We've had school shootings 28 times out of the 36 weeks we've had this year. Prohibiting cops from lethal force against someone actively firing with thousands of targets is insanity. I've had 2 friends this year who've been in school shootings and they're alive because of cops with firearms.
"You need guns to combat guns" then get rid of the guns and you won't have that problem. The most popular argument against this (the black market) is silly as the black market exists all over the world and yet somehow there are no where near as many school shootings anywhere else in the western world than America, where guns seem to be basically handed out to its citizens. Why are there so many mass shootings?
Charlie was the hardest one to watch didn’t answer ONE question and acted petty with with one cop and literally tried to turn the other convicts on the black cop
Charlie’s response to the policing prompt is telling. He’s someone that doesn’t want to be held accountable for any of his actions. Simply put: he doesn’t like being told what to do.
He has a reason to feel the way he does. He’s Hispanic. They’re the second largest ethnic group of people (aside from black folks) to be profiled and harassed by cops, especially in places like Texas, Cali and NYC
@@-----GOD----- To say nothing about the police; upholding a system which seeks punishment over rehabilitation makes you a dishonest coward when your slogan is to "serve and protect"
Bad culture up briging that led to cops to suspect on him, he sad becasue there is crime, if there were no crime, plice would have to be so harsh.Stop supporting you bro criminal.that is the message
These videos are sooooo important to the development of our society and progressing towards the betterment of so many fundamentals of our society. As a recently graduated criminal justice student, I am here to say we literally learn the negatives of both current and past states of policing, and although it isn’t being televised or highlighted, there are drastic changes being made towards departments and how policing can be more effective and beneficial towards not only the departments, but most importantly the people and communities. From learning about root causes of crime, such as poverty, racism/discrimination, low SES, etc., it is a system that is being addressed as we speak and I pray the next generation are able to show and see the differences of law enforcement from the past and now. Although I am fearful of joining the force due to the current reputation and traumatic history that has tainted cops, I hope one day we can all see eye to eye just as these discussions do for others
😂😂😂 he’s a character. Most of those “sovereign” citizens act like that too. As funny as it is, it’s really sad that an adult can CHOOSE to be like that.
Jubilee needs to do a better job at handling these conversations. If people are talking over each other, tell them to stop. If they’re going in circles, it’s someone’s turn to talk, or time to move to the next prompt. Overall, I think you guys need to control these discussions better so everyone can talk and hopefully no one tries to leave again.
What they need see a psychological analysis/specialist to know when the tension is happens a bit too many times it occurred in these very hot sensitive conversations that in deep careful analysis and patience with mutual respect shown; okay show a lil to show people how the public is but can be bad and dangerous if it lasts to long as it was shown bit too many times and too long in critical moments of their person experiences
Listening to Charlie speak, constantly interrupt and be disrespectful makes me want to bash my head into a wall. Scar and Charlie both have very similar views, but scar goes about it respectfully, while Charlie just channels his immaturity and just plays the blame game. We need the police but we also need to hold them all accountable.
Jubilee encouraged this. This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!
I didn’t like the Jubilee only had questions that were centered around the cops but not around the ex-convicts. It made the whole video seem like they were bashing on the cops. I agree with some of the criminal but they aren’t innocent in the blame game
I’m just an everyday person I carry every single day. What people don’t understand is an assault weapon is whatever is in your hand at the time of of violence that is being committed
Scar tried to speak his points and opinions on each question and was continuously spoken over. Jubilee needs to step up more rather than letting people babble or ignore each other..
I found it interesting that the convicts say they judge all cops with the same mistrust as they have learned from previous encounters while also thinking no cop should judge any of them with the same mistrust they have learned from previous encounters.
It's their job to be neutral!! They get paid for that!! The other side is in no way bound to any kind of neutrality towards the cops. Especially with all they've been through.
I empathize traumas of ex-convicts with the system and bad cops, but with their logic of generalizing, basically stereotypes of all isms like racism, sexism, ageism would be justified💔❤️🩹
@@EMMAMUNOZ-id1bg he means that it's the cops' job to ensure the safety and protect the people, not assume every one of them walking around is a threat that needs to be intimidated and yelled at or need have a gun pointed at their heads. It's not the civillian's job to do anything, they can assume all they want about cops but cops have certain responsibilities in place, often ones they break and don't get punished for. all of these people in the comments are promoting tyranny and are blind in how justice works.
The bad cops are terminated a lot of times. But there needs to be a national registry, so they can't go apply and get another job as a cop anywhere else in this country, but they do.
So there is one I forgot what it's called The only thing that's bad about that one the registry that I'm talking about is a lot of police unions fight for them to not be on that registry so they can go to the next city or county and get a job. So then finally when they do hurt somebody where it ends up big news that's when we finally find out that they've been doing it for years
This conversation needed better moderation & more productive questions. This is one of the most serious and distressing issues in the history of this country between true positional enemies. Nonetheless, the guests were incredible! I really connected to each of their stories and could tell that everyone was hurting and wanting to be heard.
some of the prompts were too open ended... the conversation then leading to someplace else. And your spot on about the moderation with this one. This episoide felt like a quarrel between two arguably heavily opposed sides. This ep was a miss but then again , it covers a topic which has everyone divided.
This was tough to watch primarily because charlie was so absolutely closed minded it was hard to really reach any sort of middle ground when ever he put his two cents in
Charlie’s whole thought process is so cringe. He didn’t even have the decency to let anyone speak. I had such a hard time finishing the video because of him . Great job Jubilee
The overtalking by everyone, NEEDS a 3rd party to referee things unbiasedly. Charlie the guest was overtalking more than anyone, as well as others to varying degrees too, BUT there is little to almost ZERO proactive mediation evidence by the Jubilee show “Host” to keep things on track, except when things are ALREADY getting out of hand. The Jubilee Host needs, the skills to verbally quell tensions BEFORE they get out of hand, recognize the Triggering behaviours on both sides that can naturally and justifiably come out of escalating situations such as these very polarizing talk shows/discussions. Jubilee NEEDS more, than just some host-Director and a camera person only asking the main questions and then being absolutely silent to watch things head into train wreck breakdowns in everything. The Jubilee “Host” was weak, in acting many times during this episode BEFORE things headed into more volitile situations and seemed to be just letting everything escalate just for “TV Show entertainment DRAMA”, like this show tends to do all too often, for clicks/views/Likes, etc. WEAK administration by Jubilee, in effectively handling BOTH sides when there clearly needed the 3rd party host acting as the “IMPARTIAL” mediator to step in to communicate things back on track from side tangents, or set the grounds rules of respectful and balanced talk/listen, question/answer type discourse. “Jubilee, don’t let this haphazard Hosting continue without a proper interviewer/supportive counselor or communications specialist to be there to intervene at a moments notice if need be. “ A future physical disruption, where a guest or someone SNAPS on another, or the group, staff, or whatever will eventually grow out of these WEAKLY mediated episodes as unfortunate as that would be. Just because the cameras filming are rolling, don’t think nothing will happen, that is unwise thinking or preparation…
Same. I paused it a few times because I was getting irritated how he continued to cut people off and talk over them, not allowing them to make their point when they were granting him, that respect of allowing him to give his perspective. He was ridiculous.
When Charlie brought up the situation about the broken down car. He wouldn't let Marlon respond. Marlon would say 2 words and be cut off. After constantly being interrupted he asked the controller to get control and then the criminals said "see, you cant control yourself" when the ones who couldn't control themselves was the criminals.
Yea I didn’t like! that charlie is definitely an agitator and manipulator, charlie can’t understand because all he can think about is himself and what he went through and how he was done wrong and can’t put himself in the officers shoes because he disassociate himself with anything that has to do with the law 🤷🏾♂️
100% that part was really annoying. Also because after that the officers who clearly wanted to say something were not allowed to respond and they just cut to the next prompt.
As someone who lives in the U.K. I think it’s crazy for Americans to say cops shouldn’t carry guns. They brought up that we don’t have cops with guns. But we don’t have guns. (Ofcourse illegal ones) but we don’t have a gun problem. We don’t have mass shootings. We have got cops with guns but how can you expect an American cop to go to a crime scene without a gun?
@@rosanamaldonado4690It’s because the UK doesn’t have less issues than the US. Look at the arson and stabbing rates in the UK. The crime doesn’t stop, the method does
Yeah, in Britain we have special units that have guns. The average bobby on the street isn't armed with guns. We also have a lot less deaths than you do, on both sides.
@@josephpublico2337that's mostly because for the most part our populace isn't armed with guns. Funny thing is though if you look at the likes of Spain, the cops have guns , the people do not and there's less death and crime than the uk
@@josephpublico2337yea two different places, just because it works in britain does not mean it will work in america. The US is fucked up as it is could you imagine no cops?? that would be nuts
Nahhh this guy hella different. I could sit through and still listen to an insufferable person but he’s on another level. Omg it crazyyyy. I’m so ready to say everything that happened to him and well deserved and like I’m getting physically upset and it’s bad that I feel this way for a person in a video on the internet. But omg it ridiculous
And I say this as a felon myself, they chose the wrong group of ex-convicts for this episode. I wish there was a neutral somewhere in there to reiterate some of the cops statements in a better way.
Charlie didn't want common/middle ground. He wanted to express more for the people that will be watching and put up an act only resulting to immaturity and willfully ignorant. As soon as the police gave him a scenario, he didn't want to understand but instead felt attacked knowing he was wrong about his statements.
And due to Charlie the other convicts started going after the cop which forced the cop to shut down his point and just move on, which really sucks. His perspective/scenario would’ve been interesting to hear.
Everything charlie talked about and examples he used was everything I usually see in tiktok, Reddit, media that’s used for virality. Granted; he could’ve had to deal with this first hand, but it’s very clear he has a mindset and he doesn’t really want to change it or challenge his mindset
“I’m trynna avoid you cuz I don’t like you” Charlie is an example of why ex-criminals get bad rep. You can tell he’d immediately get an attitude for no reason whatsoever and make the situation escalate.
Well it’s hard when you have one cop grinning when someone’s telling their story about being raped. Yet looks also sad when he’s talking about his own life. And this is all recorded. I do not want to imagine the demeanor of the two male cops off camera.
@@TheSakufighterThere's a difference between being real and whatever scar is doing. Scar is projecting what happened to him to the cops in the video and pushing it to others outside and in general. If he was being real then he wouldn't project and keep levelheaded. I'm against cops but what Scar was doing isn't real and is childish
“I DONT KNOW YOU.” I’m glad someone finally pointed out that assuming all citizens are criminals or assuming all police are tyrants is the same ignorance. It’s called prejudice.
Tell the worlds longest scenario about a traffic incident, cop goes to answer, interrupt him til he stops talking “wow you cops need more patience” lol
In a normal world yes thats crazy. The thing is though that makes her point valid is they are supposed to be held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be "trained" in de-escalation. That officer was trying to insert his dominance over that kid. He went so far as to look at the producers and knock him down a step. Believe it or not this is a very common behavior in police officers. Im in belief that cops are important but we are people too. Treat us that way.
@@rainwhenidie666you’re blinded by your unwillingness to see the other side. He’s a human being who was being talked to like a child.. an officer not in an official setting (i.e. on a traffic stop) is not expected to be a perfect human being. Zoom out and look at both sides
@@rainwhenidie666 so how long was he supposed to go on trying to answer the question and being told you're not answering my question and being interrupted? 15 times? 20 times? 3 million times?
15:09 the two ex-convicts sat down for the prompt on whether police violence is overblown, but they never explained why they believe that and, in fact, seemed to not believe that at all and even sided more with the ex-convicts who were against the prompt.
Retired LEO. I can tell you, with complete truthfulness, people like Charlie are not an anomaly. Cops deal with that level of absurd ignorance, from criminals and non criminals alike, daily.
@@NopenonameokWow I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an eloquent counter argument I mean you really did just shatter his whole worldview and leave him no opportunity for rebuttal His point was that maybe there’s a reason cops go into encounters with little patience
@@samstromberg5593 it’s TH-cam, you dunce. I’m not a debate bro trying to change anyone’s worldview. Just felt like clowning on him a bit kinda how I’m clowning on you too rn.
Charlie was the worst. Most annoying person to ever see on this show. There was some real ignorant annoying people that appeared on this series and the TH-cam platform… but I must say… Charlie is competing for the gold trophy of “special”.
@@michaelmitchel3471 Basically people who don't think a bunch of laws apply to them such as needing a driver's license, insurance, license plate, or vehicle registration to drive on the road.
Charlie is more than just a sovereign citizen, he's an anarchist. I've met several in my travels, and they all seem to have this pie in the sky idea that humans are capable of policing themselves. They think we dont need agencies like the EPA, FDA, and the like. It's a total fantasy concept the completely ignored the factors of human greed and the all of the evils that men have done throughout history that brought on the need for these agencies.
@agustinjr.enriquez6238 The excuse of "there's bad cops" is so lame, the system is broken. The system was built around slave catchers. The system has failed the average person so many times
@@gregap8282 Yes but his points are so futile and can be easily seen as nonsense. His reasoning for these points based on past trauma is very real and I empathize. But when faced with the question of being hyprocritical, he agrees knowing his point is so invalid, but still tries to impose it otherwise. I think the biggest point in this whole video was the black cop saying " Just like how you don't want to be discriminated against because of bad things other people did, I dont want to be judged by the offenses other cops have made " Its really a big circle and the traumas that happen on both sides will keep it spinning. But people like charlie that insinuate hypocrisy and hate all because of few, we will never get anywhere. Same goes for cops who do the same thing
@@gregap8282we see where Charlie is coming from but anyone with eyes can see what kind of guy Charlie is. He's an instigator who loves to start drama and play victim later.
Honestly. I haven’t even finished the video and I can feel the energy. They need the mediator to be more present and need to help stay on focus, most importantly respect each other…
But the first question as to police shouldnt habe guns... ehat she said was about the person holding the gun... policr should haveeeee guns... that talk about tje gun holder and their heart/mentallity is completely irrelevant to the answer she gave
And if the gun wasnt part of the uniform, then boy oh boyyyy, youd see how muxh chaos there will be and how disorganisation... most times there are the assholes who feel they can stand up to the police and wong and strong... and im speaking in a capacity of the sensible officers, not the power hungry ones
She seemed deceptive. She said she forgive her attacker but then used the story to justify not liking cops. She made fun of the one cop who got interrupted. She even missed the entire point of the cop who said "we should judge each other on our respect rather than history" when she blamed him for all bad cop stories. She also made light of her charges. I'm willing to bet she was trying to plug a book or lecture based on how often she said "my work".
All i got was him blaming the police for doing their job, i was riding my bike and broke a law and those mean police officers pulled me over, booohooo!
Donna is extremely down to earth, I love that about her. She seems very bright too which would really help with her responding to the cops questions and arguments. She’s definitely my favourite person in this video.
Bright??? She said she doesn’t care who the officer is, she is automatically uneasy about them yet is irritable when a cop judges her based on her prior convictions. So it’s ok for her to judge the person based on a job but not ok for them to judge her on he criminal history. Please make that make sense
@@raiderlevie1791 did you listen to what she said at the start of the video. She was raped by a police officer you clearly don’t understand the effects of that. Anyone who has been raped will feel uneasy around people who remind her of them.
@@liquidsoap106ok that’s horrible but if something happens in that police officers life that reminds them of the convict can they not feel uneasy or judge regardless if she was raped
Charlie was driving me insane. He’s is very angry and holds on a lot of things that has happened in his lives. I can take a wild guess and say he doesn’t want to take accountability.
as an ex-convict this is so painful to watch because it was such an opportunity to actually bring valid points to the table not how they started off I don't know I haven't finished it yet
I totally agree with you. There are so many intelligent convicts out there and these 4 really seem like the worst possible people for this debate. The police absolutely crushed them in this debate, whereas with more mature people there could’ve been so much more nuance.
The Convo had to get started somehow, and maybe this one had to focus on the trauma caused... I think the ex-cons were perfect individuals for this. The cops needed to hear their storys
18:55 The way she described the way she THINKS cops greats people at traffic stops that aren't her is wild. We all get talked to the same until we talk crazy or want to allow our ego to flare up. So many chips on their shoulders jeez. I'm from LA, too, and I've been stopped in a few counties here, and they all act and treat me the same as the last one. Context in key people.
This was a rough one to watch. The whole conversation seemed to be based on emotions rather than facts, from both sides. Not the best casting on this one in my opinion.
So sad to hear Bonnie’s story. Saying her hero was a cop, and now she has PTSD over jangling sounds of keys. Now she is trying to turn her life around, but her past still catches up to her as she gets questioned by cops. Hope she can make it. Scar and Donna sound like they faced wrong conduct of past times. Hope they can live peacefully and safely. Charlie… I hope Charlie doesn’t end up in jail again.
Bonnie CHOOSE to go the route she went just as the other ex-cons. Because they went down the wrong path, they have to deal with the present and future consequences of their past actions. It is what it is.
My Aunt said the same thing. She went missing for almost a day ...she said she was arrested and never went to jail. She had to walk from wherever he dropped her off.
"Societal issues are not on the police." I actually agree with this statement. But then our next logical conclusion has to be that police are not going to solve societal issues. Increasing police funding, at the expense of other programs (since funding is finite), is not going to reduce crime. The cities with the largest police budgets, the most advanced weapons, the best tech, etc continue to struggle with crime and violence. We need to address the root causes of crime and tackle poverty, lack of opportunity, education, community division, etc.
I do agree with your point but I also do think there was a correlation of most major cities drastically cutting their police budget in the wake of the 2020 protests and the following 1,5 years being the most violent the US have seen in almost 2 decades.
@@rodneydongerfield5378 I don't know. I think the narrative that the "police were defunded" was greatly overblown. In my city, during the pandemic, a lot of departments/programs were having their budgets reduced. The police budget was reduced by 50 million, basically bringing it to what it was a few years ago. And then the very next year, it was increased again, erasing the budget reduction. There was also very little focus on the inverse of defunding the police, which is community investment. We didn't see increase in community development, affordable housing, jobs programs, education, after-school programs, etc. I think we also need to reckon with the fact that the pandemic brought on a lot of instability for folks. Both individually, in terms of health, finances, job loss. But also culturally, as we began to divide even more around lockdowns and vaccinations. I think there were many factors that brought on increases in violence.
Have you ever thought the reason why these cities with the highest budget is becuase they have the highest crime yet are getting a ton of programs already.
I think it’s so funny that they’re talking about Uvalde and how they need guns to get in but yet they stood outside, and the parents had to go and themselves
exactly which is why when that charlie guy said to call in abck up for the swat who are allowed to have guns makes no sense. cops should be able to have guns like every other american citizen. The issue that NO ONE seems to want to address is mental health.
@@FuhrerHeisen Mental health is so important! Police officers should not be dispatched to deal with mental health patients (obviously in a setting where they are not endangering anyone else). Or have officers with proper training in a team with therapists, crisis professionals, and if it were to a point that they became excessively violent to them or someone else the police officer would be there to aid in that situation.
Charlie is the type of guy to go around poking a wild animal with a stick and claim he did nothing wrong to provoke said animal. He literally tried to instigate everything and play victim afterwards. He gave such middle school edgelord vibes to the point where it was straight cringe
Anyone who doesn’t see this, has never had to deal with someone like him, try having Charlie as a brother. He’s the problem in this situation, yeah the taller cop seems to have an ego, but even he is somewhat trying to understand the others pov, Charlie is just there to insult people and blame everything else but his own actions.
The bro in grey with the face tats seems like a kind soul. Now that I’m hearing his childhood trauma with police is heartbreaking. I can most speak for the west coast, black and brown people get policed harder, we’re already assumed to be criminals or a threat, and it’s almost impossible to grow up without fear or distrust for police (the people/system put in place to keep us safe). SMH 😢
I'm happy that Scar gave the episode another chance. As a neurodiverse person who also has experience having to fight to be heard, I totally saw where Scar was coming from when he said he was done.
@@cleanup8984 What? Have you never heard of that term before? It literally means that people's brain work differently. As in they take in information differently, they perceive the world differently, etc. It's a term used for people who suffer from ADHD, Autism, ADD, Dyslexia and other things. They're brain literally doesn't work the "same" as a "normal" persons brain. Which, in my opinion, no one's brain works the same, it's all different depending on the individual. That term isn't really just for people who have issues. It's just basically a term saying that people's brain works differently. Lmfao idk why you're acting everyone's brain is the exact same and there's no difference.
Jubilee encouraged this. This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!
@@KennethWhitejrI agree with you. The way he's acting and responds may come across to certain people as impatient ,rude, defensive and even unjustified, etc..., I do believe his actions and response reactions are all rooted in all of his previous bad, unpleasant interactions and negative experiences when having to deal with cops. Trauma and becoming traumatized of something or someone is unfortunately a very common occurrence and a very normal response and reaction that happens to a person that has had NOTHING but BAD EXPERIENCES and BAD, HORRIBLE MEMORIES OF SOMETHING OR SOMEONE. Also once that happens, depending on how deep and serious that trauma is ,it can be extremely hard to control or hold in. It takes time, forgiveness and healing depending on the severity of the trauma . I wish him and the rest of the panel lhealth and healing because I unfortunately understand first hand and know all too well how and why they have developed traumas and their way of thinking of the cops.
Yea your experience means it will happen to everyone else.. 🙄 Cops don’t just show up for no reason.. they’re called to the drama/crime… It’s called their “job”.
One major thing they all, on both sides are not considering. When a crime is committed, there is a person who is a victim to that crime. Those people, the victims deserve justice to the best it can be offered. Victims rights are violated by the criminal who perpetrated the offense.
Saying they didnt consider it is an irresponsible statement. It goes without saying, but even then, the black cop states clearly he CANNOT do what HE feels, if the person who CALLED him, so a store owner, wants you who stole to go to jail, or a homeowner was robbed, youre going to jail. The polices job is to do what you said, and its literally CENTERED around the fact the person who called deserves justice. And even the convicts understand this. They want to be considered for what they went through. Bonnie said she took full accountability for the things she did. This means she knew it was something she could get in trouble for, and did it because it was worth the risk for her. She gets that its a risk because she could be caught. Its silly to suggest neither side knows this. Its abundantly clear they recognize this. The convicts issues were they dont feel recognized as the human being with their full set of experiences that explains why they are. Essentially, they want compassion. And the black cop has it but compassion doesnt pay bills. And if you did the crime, thats on you, thats why its a risk. Im not trying to be mean but they didnt say this so blatantly as you worded because NO one needs to be told this its the reason police exist, to protect and serve. Serve who? Who calls. Typically this means they get justice by doing so. Criminals hardly say they didnt do ANYTHING ( when this topic comes up ) its always about how cops treated them. If youre hungry youre not evil. Cops get that. But youre still going to jail.
I really hate to agree with the Charlie guy for sooo many reasons..... But his example isn't unreasonable. There is literally videos on TH-cam showing cops doing exactly what he said... Again I do not like the Charlie guy
This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!
So you notice Charlie doing that but yet the cops started off the show doing it, so you cant say one is wrong and not the other. If its bad for one its bad for both!!!
so.. if a person resists arrest and has a gun, how would a gunless cop be able to stop them? it's like to just want to reverse the issue and aim the violence at police officers. what sort of a solution is that?
First off, can we acknowledge the courage it took for both sides to this. Second, trauma is so rampant that no one goes unafflicted by it. Third, I commend the Tennesse officer, and I think that's why it's so crucial to have police officers patrolling the same areas they grew up in. The people know them and their families, and there is some trust built in.
@@mudanabdi9863 do you need to be guided through life as well? just asking since you need someone else to point out for you, what > 550 ppl have liked thus far. If your question is rhetorical, it should be clearly stated not implied by that lackluster” be for real”
I disagree I feel bad for her because she has not fully processed and let go of her traumatization. It’s making her close minded, full of anger. I will pray that she heals. Sad that she suffered and continues to suffer because of it. I hope she finds a more positive way to move forward.
Agree. I really appreciated her contributions, her knowledge, and willingness to see both sides. I'm very curious about the work she does, if anyone knows let me know!
Charlie “we should take care of our selfs” probably lives in a community where nobody holds each other accountable and crime is problematic and everyone is scared of each other.
Lol. Bro tried bringing up Emmett Till like it was happening with today's cops. Like as if he saw it happen on the news. Even in the other video he did with the sit down with the one cop, he was insufferable.
My biggest issue with this one; THERE WAS NO GENUINE MEDIATOR. I didn't get to hear points that were important because often, they talked over each other. And the questions didn't feel proactive enough... felt pointed at either side which yes its "Middle ground" But it needed someone to direct the flow. And the conversation about trauma was in my opinion the only understanding side :(
Loved the dudes example about being broken down, waiting for AAA, and being co fronted by the law looking for trouble. Personally had an experience very very similar to that that ended w me in a precarious situation
I’m from Japan and this country is known for the most safest countries on earth, yet the cops carry guns because there’s still certain amount of people who commit crime that needs to be done with a gun.
You can take the tools away from a criminal. You cannot take away the intent. They will just use a new tool UK is my best example. Super low gun crime after they banned guns. Then knife crime skyrocketed.
@@xenosayain1506 Except the barrier to use a knife to attack someone is higher then the barrier to use a gun. A knife carries more uncertainty because your less powerful with it.
@@GodofGamesss not true at all. Regular size knife wounds(stapping) tend to do more tissue damage than full metal jacket bullets. The blade will do waaay more if serrated to flesh. The only difference is distance. Literally.
That's what jubilee does in every video, they say they get from all backgrounds but they seek troublemakers in each debate to take the conversation out of hand. They get someone loud and irrational always that stomps on the conversation and tilts a narrative.
Charlie was just there to argue with the cops. He literally was on the side that he agreed saying police brutality is blown out of proportion, yet he was STILL arguing with the cops even though he agreed with the prompt like them. Like seriously? He clearly has some personal spite towards them that even if he agrees with the topic he will still argue
@@koffibeen3818 FR the convicts on this panel said many times how they were fucked over by the police why is this person acting like its outlandish Charlie was aggressive towards them
So what are your thoughts on this prompt: Police violence is blown out of proportion. Let us know your thoughts down below 👇
It isn’t blown out. But this entire episode was both entertaining but felt VERY one sided.
It should not have been Cops vs. Criminals. It should’ve just been Cops vs. Citizens. Both these groups are going to have an obvious bias towards the other. Also, it’s more likely that the criminals will be less educated while the cops are more likely to be educated to a certain degree. The only ones I enjoyed from that side was Donna and Bonnie.
No, it's not blown out of proportion. Their purpose should be to keep people safe and be role models. Instead, when they commit violence they get protected, fired and re-employed at other departments, and on and on.
As it stands now, their job is to lie, intimidate people into compliance, and run a razor thin line on the side of legality. Their job is, by definition, violence. And when they cross that line into illegal behavior, they should be humiliated and hung out to dry. Not protected.
Media corporations get huge amounts of money from over reporting and over dramatizing many issues, police violence being one of them. It’s as simple as that
yes and no. I can only speak of the things i see in Media since im from Germany and we dont have such Problems. I know many Europeans say that but: Its the Guns fault. Police has to be armed because every citizen can be aswell. How often have you done things like cussing at a loved one because youre in a bad mood? Its the same just aggrevated to way higher level. If you had no Guns you would have not that level of threat that criminals bring. Someone robs a cornerstore with a knife is way easier to take control of than a robber with a Gun. So Yes and No. Police is mad because colleagues getting murdered left and right but so are the communities if a loved one getting killed because some cop has a trigger finger. This chain of violence will not stop if the weapons are so easy to come by-
I’d LOVE to see an American cops vs Other developed nations’ cops. That’s a conversation that really needs to be addressed bc it is NOT the same here.
Not the same by how?
This would be interesting!
@@JeyC_ because American cops abuse their power
This 100% needs to happen
Yeah that could be an intersting conversation because there is a big shift between American police officers and those who aren't.
Criminals need to take accountability and bad cops need to be held accountable. Period
THIS.
you win the internet and Jubilee today. FINALLY, a smart comment.
I hate how criminals justify that there shouldn’t be no punishment as well as cops THEY ALL NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
PREACH IT BROTHA!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
exactly
i think no matter what side anyone is on, we can all agree this conversation was monitored poorly.
What side?? You think anyone should support criminals? That's disgusting...
No it wasn't. Just because one side disagreed/was offended by prompts and hard conversations doesn't mean it was monitored poorly.
@TheStepmonkey What side? You think anyone should support cops? That's disgusting
@@TheStepmonkey i support criminals
@@iceywolf1I like criminals, they liberate us
59:55 That guy Charlie got up and walked out without even applauding. You get the feeling that it's him who's the problem, not the cops who've had to deal with him.
Yeah it's obvious
The kid is just mad he’s been cuffed and tossed in the back of police cruisers routinely.
Facts..
Exactly
@@Spookybozoand until he deals with that anger, it’ll keep happening to him if he’s gonna be that defensive all the time. I’m not a cop and he was even pissing me off.
Charlie is.... something. "If my daughter gets kidnapped, I'm not calling the police. I'm going to try to find her myself." As a daughter, please, dads, call the police if we get kidnapped.
Yeah, everyone hates on cops until they need them.
Yeah he seemed very traumatized, understandably so- but I think he was talking more out of emotion than anything else. Especially saying he was addicted to the news, seeing as the news is geared and targeted to run one specific narrative. (I'm not with or against cops, just something I noticed about Charlie's narrative)
Call the cops just for the sake of documenting everything, still go look for your daughter yourself
For sure my thought, even though I can understand some of what he said, I mean I'm pretty sure that the situation you should call a cop
Yeah, Charlie was trippin' ha
Respectfully the moderator failed this middle ground. So much interrupting and talking over that had it been dealt with would’ve added to a much more helpful middle ground 😔
She was scared because there was a lot of tension and power in that room.
@@aguy9071 oh brother no 😂 she doesn't usually interrupt
@@koppy82 what does this gotta do with gender……. yall always bring gender into places where it doesnt fit
@@koppy82 ???????????
@@koppy82 please expand what you mean. Typical woman to this comment means nothing
After hearing Charlie talk about the car scenario, I'm convinced that all his local cops know him and his history
They probably popped popcorn and had a watch party at the station to hear Charlie finally get his shot to say his piece.
the havaiian girl also
My town has a family called the Seelingers. Meth family, domestic abuse, theft, assault. They’re known for causing trouble and being all around unrepentant and violent. No one I know has any sympathy for them. With a criminal record as long as that family’s, it’s hard to even want to have sympathy.
my guess is that he is a habitual law breaker who is in the station every week based on his behavior and context from what he said
The fact he absolutely refused to let the cop say anything shows there will never be a interaction that would be non confrontational.
Coming from someone with 13 felony’s. These criminals just want to continue to be criminals easier. No way every single interaction with them in the last 15 years has been bad. And if it has the question is, how did THEY treat the cop when he approached them
It's crazy how it took Scar to say he's done filming for them to stop talking over eachother. It calmed down so much after that.
He didn’t want to continue because the questions were confusing him. And they’re calm because they went on a smoke break
Seriously Jubilee did SUCH A HORRIBLE job in handling this video. They didn't step it and tell them to shut it and let the other side speak.
@@dani09eveline yea confusion is not what he said, beloved. Replay that part.
Alot of the questions are filmed out of order so you may be wrong
@@turnbasedtoddy7664 I don't think it necessarily matters what order they filmed... the fact of the matter is that AT SOME POINT... Scar was irritated with the questions and how the conversations were being moderated. Plus, I don't even believe that it was actually filmed out of order and you're just saying how you think EVERY production operates. The types of questions that were asked and the order that they are in make PERFECT sense as to why they would have actually asked them in the order that they are in the video. Plus, if you really pay attention, there are a lot of moments that people bring up ideas that were spoken about in previous prompts. For example... the fact that they kept bringing up the women having been sexually assaulted. If the prompts were in a different order, they wouldn't have known that the women had those experiences or brought them up later in the video if they were out of order.
Not to mention... they wouldn't have even PUT that clip of him saying he didn't want to continue if it wasn't being filmed in progressive order of the video. What would be the point?
Charlie is the epitome of why ex-convicts get a bad rep. He's ignorant, rude, and refuses to act like a civilian even in a setting where he isn't under distress or threat.
Low IQ, hes just not that bright
okay cat boy 😂
@@austin5950Yes I do in fact like cats.
Imagine yourself in a room with 4 people who represent a type of people that have wrongfully made your life hard hundreds, if not thousands, of times and then type that ignorant & rude comment again 😉
@@MC_SmuvCops make life hard for criminals.. 😂
Every woman in that group confessed about being sexually abused. THAT is a problem that needs to be addressed and a heavy topic to discuss. Praying for healing and strength to all.
Attention seekers and self-victimisers. Common female antics in the modern world. Cry more.
So don't misunderstand what i'm saying, but my sister in law worked at a woman's prison, and I have known a lot of correction officers , and its kind of a known thing that if you go to a woman's prison EVERY woman there will tell you they "got raped by the cops on the way to/from jail" i'm not saying they're making it up, but its a story that is repeated so much and always in the same way, its hard to know when its legit or not. Because most of the time its not.
@@anastasiakorkova9175 She said she was assaulted when SHE was the victim not the perpetrator.
@@MrSssaaaaaaddd right…….I got that
@@MrSssaaaaaadddi don’t believe her 🤷♂️
Bonnie is playing a victim.. she needs to hold herself accountable for her own actions. Stop blaming cops
Yup, they all need to stop blaming the cops.
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Hey Jubilee. This type of discussion needs a facilitator. This conversation was so important and could have been so much more effective with a strong facilitator directing the discussion. Thank you to each side for being vulnerable and sharing their experiences.
Lol the guy in the blue jacket cant stop being a cop for 2 mins and it shows from 53:40 forward this was perfect it shows that cops ain't shet and that's what slot of people don't like about it they were hoping it would show something else😂
I understand your reasoning for more facilitation but what I like about MG, is that they allow people to navigate through the tough conversations themselves. Even if the conversation “fails” so to speak, you still see a lot of truth in those moments.
@@troyd.8718 Nah they need someone to moderate straight up lies and and all the interrupting
The cops were disingenuous
They don't give a fck how their content impacts the lives of people as long as it gets clicks.
It was very clear that all the ex felons were severely traumatized it definitely felt like a third group was needed like maybe a non-criminal perspective
If Jubilee has any money from this they should put it where their mouth is and put it towards organizations trying to heal this trauma and end police violence.
I am a non criminal and have the same perspective of the criminal side
@@monithebarbie Cops shouldn’t have guns? You’re not to bright are you?
@@byrontownsel7274 u never heard of non lethal guns
Most definitely, these are people who spent years in prisons and jails which at the bare minimum is severely traumatizing, whether you did something or not. They spoke about what the police did to them when they weren't even committing crimes! The police officers can sympathize with the convicts but definitely cannot empathize.
THAT GIRL SAYING HE NEEDED TO HAVE MORE PATIENCE AFTER GETTING INTERRUPTED SEVERAL TIMES AFTER LETTING THE OTHER GUY SAY EVERYTHING HE NEEDED TO SAY SENT ME OVER THE EDGE
istg charlie interrupting the cop being respectful made me so mad. like shush
Jubilee literally encouraged it to!! they never intervened when he talked over him for a SOLID MINUTE, they only intervene when he points out that he wants an actual debate setting where he can TALK. EVEN THEN THEY LET CHARLIE CREATE AN ENTIRE ESSAY AND THEN SILENCE THE COP AND TELL HIM TO WAIT HIS TURN WHEN HE TRIES TO INTERJECT. not only THAT but they had the gal to move onto the next question ebfore even letting him finish. They handled this HORRIBLY, shame on jubilee.
@@72horses75 I've noticed @jubilee does this semi-often from the videos I've seen. They're trying to virtue signaling and it's super obvious to anyone with an above room temp. I.Q.
Yes and no. He was getting hot and her point was look see
@@hopxfu1657Can you tag the timeline please.
These criminals have a serious victim complex. Describing yourself as an animal in a corner? The cops don't come out of nowhere to harass you, they're coming for you because you're breaking the law.
Exactly!
That's not true, when police don't even know what constitutes a legal detainment then you cannot enforce the law. How can you say you enforce the law when you don't even know it?
Typical White boy response...
cops do come out of nowhere and make victems how many cases of ptsd are soualy caused by police where police are the trigger
@@kevinhinchcliff8419 The police don't know you have PTSD when they pull you over, all they see is a bad attitude and treat it accordingly.
Next time, Jubilee, intervene and show authority if you’re hosting a debate. There’s a difference between letting a feud resolve itself and letting someone take something completely off base/take over the topic.
agree.
100% agree! I usually enjoy jubilee videos but this one missed the mark completely as far as handling the interviewees and making sure everyone had a chance to speak
I couldn't finish watching this video. It was THAT bad.
No, I enjoy the unfiltered discussions being taken. Middle ground used to be heavily edited, people have requested for this as it's counter-intuitive to edit/intervene in a discussion meant to show both sides.
I agree. If you, as a youtube channel, put together these debates, you have the responsibility to manage when someone interrupts someone else to the point where they cannot get their thoughts across. I swear, lately, I've felt that people like Charlie get away with these things in middle ground whereas in episodes before, it wasn't like this. I don't care who you are, everyone deserves a turn to speak, that's just human decency. Please guys, this is a great concept, I can't sit here and watch how people just don't have respect for other people's thoughts and views where they don't even allow them to speak. It's truly a miserable viewing experience.
I think we can all agree that Charlie is the only dude there not ready to talk about and make a change. Dudes part of the problem.
I felt the same sometimes with Scar.
hes not part of the problem, he IS the problem. IQ of a banana.
@@akosnemeth and Bonnie
Every convict but Donna was a waste of a spot in this conversation
@@PunoBenditofor sure, Donna is the only one who bothered to listen to a different point of view
The fact that all of the women in the room were raped is horrifying..
@@aClownBaby- sexual harassment is not the same as experiencing a rape though. I would say they are completely different. One is more traumatizing than the other.
I know more women who have been raped than I know women who haven't, if that tells you anything
OR, not undermining the seriousness of rape, but it could be what they claimed to happen. These days the word rape and assault is just too cheap for me personally.
@Anthony MC thats kinda fd up. U can tell they werent lying nd 99 percent of ppl dnt lie abt being raped
@@anthonymc8361 excuse me??? Are you for real???
Its funny how the criminals want to give advice on how to conduct yourself. What nerve
when the participants are asking for moderation because they can't get a word out and try to leave because of how hostile everything has become, that's how you know it's gone too far.
when the premise of the show begins with two groups at odds with one another-- and especially this episode since you're already starting with a power dynamic, there really needs to be more active moderation and intention behind the prompts/production imo
Absolutely agree with you, Camile. This conversation needed a lot more consideration bc it’s too intense of a debate.
Brilliant, well said.
No he tried to leave because he's not educated enough for the debate "I'm trying to get my point across that fck the police you know what I mean" very sophisticated perspective.
So more policing. Got it.
It's funny cause the person complaining that they couldn't get a word in was constantly cutting people off mid-sentence to get his own word in, like the video was only about him and his experiences.
I can see why Charlie would have bad experiences with anyone. At around 29:50 when Marlon is trying to explain what he would have done Charlie keeps interrupting him, talking over him, and generally being disrespectful. Charlie was able to go through his whole broke-down car, flat tire scenario but wouldn't even let Marlon respond. Jubilee needs to do a better job of allowing the other side to respond. Respect goes both ways regardless of who you are talking to.
I'm sure his interactions went the same way with the cops he encountered on the streets, too.
Their attitudes obviously led them in to their incarceration.
@@ds82wrestlingthese specific cops weren’t the ones who mishandled this gentlemen. Yet he still disrespects, interrupts and rejects to even listen to the other side. How can he want to reach middle ground(I hope everyone is) if he doesn’t even want to listen to the other side?
@@cristianfilmz24 I 100% agree. That's what I am saying, he is hostile here, I am sure he was hostile to any officers on the street as well. Probably even more so.
bro literally made the whole story up lmao
If you told me that Charlie's just playing, that he's just an actor, I would have believed you. Dude's straight up detached from the society.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’m not trying to be insensitive but he’s either a complete moron or a plant from the producers
He's got victim mentality
Some people don't want to listen. They just want you to hear their "truth". It gets us no where.
Charlie is on the criminal panel for a reason… dude needs to wake up.
This is Jubilee...it is the modern, less offensive, more tamed, and less dramatic version of Jerry Springer for TH-cam. It is all set up and edited for entertainment and the masses flock to it for the entertainment factor in the belief that it is all real as it can be! lol
This is why the Bodycam and Dashcam are some of the best social inventions to date. We can now SEE the truth behind the policing, and there are records of what cops do.
Scar did point out a flaw in the uvalde thing when the cop was listing school shootings, he tried to speak up that they happened despite armed cops being there, but was interrupted. This episode was really good, but could've had some more mediating from the jubilee team to make sure everyone gets a chance to speak their mind.
The mods were not going to check a room full of cops and ex cons. 😂
Jubilee actually displayed that info on the screen when the cop was speaking on it (that armed cops did nothing during the killings)
Uvalde was stopped by a ICE officer and the cops were told to WAIT for swat. It was the perfect example of what waiting for help looks like.
Absolutely not, I love when it’s not mediated as much, I want them to genuinely speak as much as possible
@@kaylao.3326 Yes, but scar and the others probably didn't see that. I mostly think he just should've gotten a chance to speak during that conversation
Wild AF that Charlie interrupted Marlon over and over again causing him to be visibly frustrated and instead of checking Charlie, the ex-cons started telling Marlon that he needs to stay calm. The lack of self-awareness and accountability is appalling
gaslighting at its finest
I mean the way i see it the ex convicts all did things to land them up in prison. These people obviously have some problems and you can visibly see this manifest throughout the video. The guy walking out, charlie i mean like seriously
This is valid. Charlie 100% was being an a**hole.
In the same breath, this is a profession that Requires a great deal of patience. And if you can’t manage it, it’s truly not the role for you.
That jabroni is seriously bringing up Uvalde as an example of needing police?! They wouldn’t go inside to help and stopped parents from going in and helping. Absolutely embarrassing
That cop had a lot more patience than I would have I couldn't sit in that conversation Charlie barley hit jjc and apparently no one popped him in the jaw for talking to much in a sense I definitely know homie isn't an actual convict he wouldn't have lasted to long unless he was in pc or he could fight
As a Korean living in the states, ex convicts not wanting cops to handle firearm using other countries where cops do not carry guns while respecting 2nd amendments baffles me. Yes, cops from my home country does not carry firearms but that is because we DO NOT have firearm incidents. However, in the states cops do not have that luxury.
For real. We've had school shootings 28 times out of the 36 weeks we've had this year. Prohibiting cops from lethal force against someone actively firing with thousands of targets is insanity. I've had 2 friends this year who've been in school shootings and they're alive because of cops with firearms.
"You need guns to combat guns" then get rid of the guns and you won't have that problem. The most popular argument against this (the black market) is silly as the black market exists all over the world and yet somehow there are no where near as many school shootings anywhere else in the western world than America, where guns seem to be basically handed out to its citizens. Why are there so many mass shootings?
Cops in S. Korea do carry guns. They carry modified .38 revolvers. But are not as equipped as American Police officers.
@@rickmin3566 They are allowed to but most of the times they do not except for the special occasions.
Bingo. You nailed it.
charlie needs to show the same respect he's being given by others
Charlie was the hardest one to watch didn’t answer ONE question and acted petty with with one cop and literally tried to turn the other convicts on the black cop
yeah, no wonder he is a criminal
He was really annoying and thought he knew what he was talking about.
The guy wouldn't let anyone else talk. I'm surprised the moderator didn't step in when he got heated
Charlie’s response to the policing prompt is telling. He’s someone that doesn’t want to be held accountable for any of his actions. Simply put: he doesn’t like being told what to do.
He has a reason to feel the way he does. He’s Hispanic. They’re the second largest ethnic group of people (aside from black folks) to be profiled and harassed by cops, especially in places like Texas, Cali and NYC
Charlie judging everyone and not respecting people’s opinion but expects everyone to give him respect and not get judged. He drives me crazy
He also looks like his breath stank
How virtuous these criminals are. They have all the answers.
And that’s the problem. He was so juvenile!! Still angry at the world instead of looking in. He was so cringe.
@@-----GOD----- To say nothing about the police; upholding a system which seeks punishment over rehabilitation makes you a dishonest coward when your slogan is to "serve and protect"
As soon as Marlon was questioned he got upset... should not be a cop anywhere
scar's life seemed like a sad result of racism and police abuse in previous eras, while charle's sad life a result of idiocy and bad decisions.
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I know. I just want to hug him.
Bad culture up briging that led to cops to suspect on him, he sad becasue there is crime, if there were no crime, plice would have to be so harsh.Stop supporting you bro criminal.that is the message
More like he started in the hood and didn’t chance who he hangs around.
hopefully he doesnt have children
These videos are sooooo important to the development of our society and progressing towards the betterment of so many fundamentals of our society. As a recently graduated criminal justice student, I am here to say we literally learn the negatives of both current and past states of policing, and although it isn’t being televised or highlighted, there are drastic changes being made towards departments and how policing can be more effective and beneficial towards not only the departments, but most importantly the people and communities. From learning about root causes of crime, such as poverty, racism/discrimination, low SES, etc., it is a system that is being addressed as we speak and I pray the next generation are able to show and see the differences of law enforcement from the past and now. Although I am fearful of joining the force due to the current reputation and traumatic history that has tainted cops, I hope one day we can all see eye to eye just as these discussions do for others
Not only does Charlie think a person with a badge shouldn’t ask him a single question but apparently he also thinks he’s Batman
😂😂😂
The Fifth Amendmen imbecile coward 😂
yeah or the guy from Taken
😂😂😂 he’s a character.
Most of those “sovereign” citizens act like that too. As funny as it is, it’s really sad that an adult can CHOOSE to be like that.
@@peestrem31 unfortunately for him, he’s neither a billionaire or an ex CIA agent 😂
Jubilee needs to do a better job at handling these conversations. If people are talking over each other, tell them to stop. If they’re going in circles, it’s someone’s turn to talk, or time to move to the next prompt. Overall, I think you guys need to control these discussions better so everyone can talk and hopefully no one tries to leave again.
It would be interesting if they had a mediator
@@joeymurillo4203it actually shows a lack of emotional intelligence
What they need see a psychological analysis/specialist to know when the tension is happens a bit too many times it occurred in these very hot sensitive conversations that in deep careful analysis and patience with mutual respect shown; okay show a lil to show people how the public is but can be bad and dangerous if it lasts to long as it was shown bit too many times and too long in critical moments of their person experiences
Drama reels in views, it's that simple
no? why would they censor it it’s supposed to be where both sides 100% honest and give there opinion
Listening to Charlie speak, constantly interrupt and be disrespectful makes me want to bash my head into a wall. Scar and Charlie both have very similar views, but scar goes about it respectfully, while Charlie just channels his immaturity and just plays the blame game. We need the police but we also need to hold them all accountable.
Jubilee encouraged this. This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!
I didn’t like the Jubilee only had questions that were centered around the cops but not around the ex-convicts. It made the whole video seem like they were bashing on the cops. I agree with some of the criminal but they aren’t innocent in the blame game
Thank you Charlie annoyed me when he speaks like you talked now let other speak
This. And Jubilee encouraged it for views 🙄
I’m just an everyday person I carry every single day. What people don’t understand is an assault weapon is whatever is in your hand at the time of of violence that is being committed
Scar tried to speak his points and opinions on each question and was continuously spoken over. Jubilee needs to step up more rather than letting people babble or ignore each other..
Scar is a moron
There was one cop didn't even speak at all, did he?
@@lizard8694 he did but barely a few sentences
@@imHim710 yea because scar was going off every time unlike how this original comment tried to claim
nahh cus its cops, they dont want other people habing power over them so they talk over each other, ITS ALL ABOUT POWER TRIP
Donna was essential to this. She always reset the tone and pace of the conversation.
her voice calmed me down
Because she’s lying?
She comes over as a moderator
@@101Navyseals what did she lie on?
@@davidjones595 don't disrespect her like that 😂
I found it interesting that the convicts say they judge all cops with the same mistrust as they have learned from previous encounters while also thinking no cop should judge any of them with the same mistrust they have learned from previous encounters.
Yep
It's their job to be neutral!! They get paid for that!! The other side is in no way bound to any kind of neutrality towards the cops. Especially with all they've been through.
@@MC_Smuv What do you mean by neutrality?
I empathize traumas of ex-convicts with the system and bad cops, but with their logic of generalizing, basically stereotypes of all isms like racism, sexism, ageism would be justified💔❤️🩹
@@EMMAMUNOZ-id1bg he means that it's the cops' job to ensure the safety and protect the people, not assume every one of them walking around is a threat that needs to be intimidated and yelled at or need have a gun pointed at their heads. It's not the civillian's job to do anything, they can assume all they want about cops but cops have certain responsibilities in place, often ones they break and don't get punished for. all of these people in the comments are promoting tyranny and are blind in how justice works.
The bad cops are terminated a lot of times. But there needs to be a national registry, so they can't go apply and get another job as a cop anywhere else in this country, but they do.
So there is one I forgot what it's called The only thing that's bad about that one the registry that I'm talking about is a lot of police unions fight for them to not be on that registry so they can go to the next city or county and get a job. So then finally when they do hurt somebody where it ends up big news that's when we finally find out that they've been doing it for years
Brady list Does that . But if you are on the list you should not be Employed by a law enforcement agency
This conversation needed better moderation & more productive questions. This is one of the most serious and distressing issues in the history of this country between true positional enemies. Nonetheless, the guests were incredible! I really connected to each of their stories and could tell that everyone was hurting and wanting to be heard.
some of the prompts were too open ended... the conversation then leading to someplace else. And your spot on about the moderation with this one. This episoide felt like a quarrel between two arguably heavily opposed sides. This ep was a miss but then again , it covers a topic which has everyone divided.
This police brutality is just a distraction from Americas real issues.
@@zi.5515 idk about a miss it was very interesting to watch
@@gothicgolem2947 it's true that it was interesting but I still stand with the fact that it wasn't productive.
frrr these questions aren’t specific enough it’s just like having a prompt saying “cops are bad”
This was tough to watch primarily because charlie was so absolutely closed minded it was hard to really reach any sort of middle ground when ever he put his two cents in
wasn't any single persons fault
Sometimes there isn't going to be a middle ground and that is okay
Sounds like he's really hurt, and it seems to me he first needs empathy before he can empathize with others.
I enjoyed hearing his perspective and experience
He’s another in a long line of idiots with no acknowledgement of personal responsibility
charlie the type of person to still argue even when he knows he’s wrong
the type of person? He IS the exact person. That's all he did the entire episode
@@Ian-uo2mj he was irritating me... ugh
BRO I hated him what an ignorant mf.
@@samisugarcube I just started this video and I’m about 2 mins in. I’m gonna reply on my opinions on that guy after I’m done
Dan I don’t see Abby in the comments 😂😂
How could anyone genuinely say cops shouldnt have guns
Simple, people with issues against authority and people that want to get away with crime say it all the tine
I can’t get that in my head, is just crazy
That's not what they said your blowing it out of proportion they saying that cop don't need to have their hands on their gun when there's no threat
Charlie’s whole thought process is so cringe. He didn’t even have the decency to let anyone speak. I had such a hard time finishing the video because of him . Great job Jubilee
He outed himself as a sovereign citizen that explained everything to me
@@Forester-i felt that too
The overtalking by everyone,
NEEDS a 3rd party to referee things unbiasedly.
Charlie the guest was overtalking more than anyone, as well as others to varying degrees too, BUT there is little to almost ZERO proactive mediation evidence by the Jubilee show “Host” to keep things on track, except when things are ALREADY getting out of hand.
The Jubilee Host needs,
the skills to verbally quell tensions BEFORE they get out of hand, recognize the Triggering behaviours on both sides that can naturally and justifiably come out of escalating situations such as these very polarizing talk shows/discussions.
Jubilee NEEDS more,
than just some host-Director and a camera person only asking the main questions and then being absolutely silent to watch things head into train wreck breakdowns in everything.
The Jubilee “Host” was weak,
in acting many times during this episode BEFORE things headed into more volitile situations and seemed to be just letting everything escalate just for “TV Show entertainment DRAMA”, like this show tends to do all too often, for clicks/views/Likes, etc.
WEAK administration by Jubilee,
in effectively handling BOTH sides when there clearly needed the 3rd party host acting as the “IMPARTIAL” mediator to step in to communicate things back on track from side tangents, or set the grounds rules of respectful and balanced talk/listen, question/answer type discourse.
“Jubilee,
don’t let this haphazard Hosting continue without a proper interviewer/supportive counselor or communications specialist to be there to intervene at a moments notice if need be. “
A future physical disruption,
where a guest or someone SNAPS on another, or the group, staff, or whatever will eventually grow out of these WEAKLY mediated episodes as unfortunate as that would be.
Just because the cameras filming are rolling, don’t think nothing will happen, that is unwise thinking or preparation…
Same. I paused it a few times because I was getting irritated how he continued to cut people off and talk over them, not allowing them to make their point when they were granting him, that respect of allowing him to give his perspective. He was ridiculous.
Omg thank you so much and because of you imma finish this bc facts watching him is hard
When Charlie brought up the situation about the broken down car. He wouldn't let Marlon respond. Marlon would say 2 words and be cut off. After constantly being interrupted he asked the controller to get control and then the criminals said "see, you cant control yourself" when the ones who couldn't control themselves was the criminals.
Yeah that's called gaslighting.
Yea I didn’t like! that charlie is definitely an agitator and manipulator, charlie can’t understand because all he can think about is himself and what he went through and how he was done wrong and can’t put himself in the officers shoes because he disassociate himself with anything that has to do with the law 🤷🏾♂️
100% that part was really annoying. Also because after that the officers who clearly wanted to say something were not allowed to respond and they just cut to the next prompt.
They all did their time for their crimes so stop labeling them as criminals.
@@19jessejames83That's what they are
As someone who lives in the U.K. I think it’s crazy for Americans to say cops shouldn’t carry guns. They brought up that we don’t have cops with guns. But we don’t have guns. (Ofcourse illegal ones) but we don’t have a gun problem. We don’t have mass shootings. We have got cops with guns but how can you expect an American cop to go to a crime scene without a gun?
Why is no one liking this comment? Oh yea, because it proves most people wrong about how we are the only country that has cops with guns. Smh
@@rosanamaldonado4690It’s because the UK doesn’t have less issues than the US. Look at the arson and stabbing rates in the UK. The crime doesn’t stop, the method does
Nobody said he should go to a scene with no guns. Maybe next time listen first before speaking.
@@smbenga2 Exactly.
@@amandamorgan8349 removing guns from police officers… what does that mean? No guns at a crime scene lmao. Tf
Love that the cop kept using Uvalde as an example even tho the (armed) cops were literally terrified in that situation
Yeah, in Britain we have special units that have guns. The average bobby on the street isn't armed with guns. We also have a lot less deaths than you do, on both sides.
Police officers are humans too.
@@josephpublico2337that's mostly because for the most part our populace isn't armed with guns. Funny thing is though if you look at the likes of Spain, the cops have guns , the people do not and there's less death and crime than the uk
@@josephpublico2337yea two different places, just because it works in britain does not mean it will work in america. The US is fucked up as it is could you imagine no cops?? that would be nuts
How does Jubilee manage to always find someone that is insufferable
They do it on purpose to create drama and drive up views.
Nahhh this guy hella different. I could sit through and still listen to an insufferable person but he’s on another level. Omg it crazyyyy. I’m so ready to say everything that happened to him and well deserved and like I’m getting physically upset and it’s bad that I feel this way for a person in a video on the internet. But omg it ridiculous
They do it on purpose to rile up emotions
Which person?
@@Corekidbeenybunny Charlie
Charlie was too immature and too uneducated for a conversation like this but he is an example of the type of people police deal with.
No police just suck
Charlie has a lot of anger and trauma and he's still pretty young. I know you wouldn't get it, Darren.
@@cloudy_gomo I've been through plenty of trauma, I just don't live my life as a victim.
@@darrenashjames yea dude you tell those minorities to just get over it!
@@darrenashjames whole lot of cooning in this comment section lmao
Charlie the type of guy to rob someone and then wonder why he's going to jail.
he’s the type of person to rob someone, get caught, and blame the person he just jacked because they just happened to be there
@@jake.porter Fact
Welcome to the progressive utopia
That’s a fact lol
Nah facts
And I say this as a felon myself, they chose the wrong group of ex-convicts for this episode. I wish there was a neutral somewhere in there to reiterate some of the cops statements in a better way.
Charlie didn't want common/middle ground.
He wanted to express more for the people that will be watching and put up an act only resulting to immaturity and willfully ignorant.
As soon as the police gave him a scenario, he didn't want to understand but instead felt attacked knowing he was wrong about his statements.
He was annoying asf
@@Ndroy1fr
And due to Charlie the other convicts started going after the cop which forced the cop to shut down his point and just move on, which really sucks. His perspective/scenario would’ve been interesting to hear.
He's a sociopath. No empathy.
Everything charlie talked about and examples he used was everything I usually see in tiktok, Reddit, media that’s used for virality.
Granted; he could’ve had to deal with this first hand, but it’s very clear he has a mindset and he doesn’t really want to change it or challenge his mindset
“I’m trynna avoid you cuz I don’t like you” Charlie is an example of why ex-criminals get bad rep. You can tell he’d immediately get an attitude for no reason whatsoever and make the situation escalate.
Charlie is a narcissist.
@drfeelgood9189: wild speculation. You look like a fool.
that's not no reason. that's ptsd. i totally relate to him.
Well it’s hard when you have one cop grinning when someone’s telling their story about being raped. Yet looks also sad when he’s talking about his own life. And this is all recorded. I do not want to imagine the demeanor of the two male cops off camera.
@@AgentCPthere were three
you can tell how far scar has come just by how vulnerable he allows himself to be in this episode
So true
He is a child.
@@rickgold4854 being real is not childish. Sorry you’re weak.
Absolutely, I respect and like this guy because he is so honest and open.
@@TheSakufighterThere's a difference between being real and whatever scar is doing. Scar is projecting what happened to him to the cops in the video and pushing it to others outside and in general. If he was being real then he wouldn't project and keep levelheaded. I'm against cops but what Scar was doing isn't real and is childish
I’m not worried about a cop breaking into my house…. Criminals will always make themselves to be the victims don’t fall for it.
You should be because they will
“Policing is necessary, but it depends on how you police.” That was powerful Ms. Donna.
“I DONT KNOW YOU.”
I’m glad someone finally pointed out that assuming all citizens are criminals or assuming all police are tyrants is the same ignorance. It’s called prejudice.
The most real comment I’ve seen.
It's not the same ignorance because cops aren't just random citizens, they're part of a system. That changes everything.
@@pinksnake8001every system has its own unique elements
I see cops as tyrants.
If you financially cripple people and tear them away from their families because you are paid to do that then you are rightfully called a tyrant.
Tell the worlds longest scenario about a traffic incident, cop goes to answer, interrupt him til he stops talking “wow you cops need more patience” lol
I laughed at that.
In a normal world yes thats crazy. The thing is though that makes her point valid is they are supposed to be held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be "trained" in de-escalation. That officer was trying to insert his dominance over that kid. He went so far as to look at the producers and knock him down a step. Believe it or not this is a very common behavior in police officers. Im in belief that cops are important but we are people too. Treat us that way.
@@rainwhenidie666you’re blinded by your unwillingness to see the other side. He’s a human being who was being talked to like a child.. an officer not in an official setting (i.e. on a traffic stop) is not expected to be a perfect human being. Zoom out and look at both sides
Ditto
@@rainwhenidie666 so how long was he supposed to go on trying to answer the question and being told you're not answering my question and being interrupted? 15 times? 20 times? 3 million times?
15:09 the two ex-convicts sat down for the prompt on whether police violence is overblown, but they never explained why they believe that and, in fact, seemed to not believe that at all and even sided more with the ex-convicts who were against the prompt.
Retired LEO. I can tell you, with complete truthfulness, people like Charlie are not an anomaly. Cops deal with that level of absurd ignorance, from criminals and non criminals alike, daily.
Ohhh poor you
@@NopenonameokWow I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an eloquent counter argument
I mean you really did just shatter his whole worldview and leave him no opportunity for rebuttal
His point was that maybe there’s a reason cops go into encounters with little patience
@@samstromberg5593 it’s TH-cam, you dunce. I’m not a debate bro trying to change anyone’s worldview. Just felt like clowning on him a bit kinda how I’m clowning on you too rn.
Charlie was the worst. Most annoying person to ever see on this show. There was some real ignorant annoying people that appeared on this series and the TH-cam platform… but I must say… Charlie is competing for the gold trophy of “special”.
And people deal with bad cops on a daily! 😂 Civilian and cops are having the same experiences
When Charlie revealed himself as a sovereign citizen I immediately understood his entire history with the police
Lmao exactly
What's that?
@@michaelmitchel3471 Basically people who don't think a bunch of laws apply to them such as needing a driver's license, insurance, license plate, or vehicle registration to drive on the road.
@@Forester- oh thanks
Charlie is more than just a sovereign citizen, he's an anarchist. I've met several in my travels, and they all seem to have this pie in the sky idea that humans are capable of policing themselves. They think we dont need agencies like the EPA, FDA, and the like. It's a total fantasy concept the completely ignored the factors of human greed and the all of the evils that men have done throughout history that brought on the need for these agencies.
Charlie is just an example someone who feels they should do whatever they want
not really, someone with eyes can see and understand where Charlie's coming from
@@gregap8282Charlie wants to be heard but doesn’t want to listen, there’s bad cops and there’s bad people.
@agustinjr.enriquez6238 The excuse of "there's bad cops" is so lame, the system is broken. The system was built around slave catchers. The system has failed the average person so many times
@@gregap8282 Yes but his points are so futile and can be easily seen as nonsense. His reasoning for these points based on past trauma is very real and I empathize. But when faced with the question of being hyprocritical, he agrees knowing his point is so invalid, but still tries to impose it otherwise. I think the biggest point in this whole video was the black cop saying " Just like how you don't want to be discriminated against because of bad things other people did, I dont want to be judged by the offenses other cops have made " Its really a big circle and the traumas that happen on both sides will keep it spinning. But people like charlie that insinuate hypocrisy and hate all because of few, we will never get anywhere. Same goes for cops who do the same thing
@@gregap8282we see where Charlie is coming from but anyone with eyes can see what kind of guy Charlie is. He's an instigator who loves to start drama and play victim later.
It's amazing to watch criminals lecture anyone about proper behavior.
this has to be the worst middle ground yet, they were allowed to stray so far off topic basically negating the prompts
I think the promps need to be better as well its very vague and sometimes so leading
Honestly. I haven’t even finished the video and I can feel the energy. They need the mediator to be more present and need to help stay on focus, most importantly respect each other…
I think that that is what breeds new perspectives and new thoughts and ideas, personally
But this isn't a problem they have had before. With people like Scar and Charlie always off
@@rosemadder5547 no it leads to them dancing around questions and not actually answering anything
I love how well spoken Donna is, every point she made on the topics she spoke on got through to everyone and you can see that
But the first question as to police shouldnt habe guns... ehat she said was about the person holding the gun... policr should haveeeee guns... that talk about tje gun holder and their heart/mentallity is completely irrelevant to the answer she gave
And if the gun wasnt part of the uniform, then boy oh boyyyy, youd see how muxh chaos there will be and how disorganisation... most times there are the assholes who feel they can stand up to the police and wong and strong... and im speaking in a capacity of the sensible officers, not the power hungry ones
I disagree, she spoke very fluently but never actually said anything of any value.
She seemed deceptive. She said she forgive her attacker but then used the story to justify not liking cops. She made fun of the one cop who got interrupted. She even missed the entire point of the cop who said "we should judge each other on our respect rather than history" when she blamed him for all bad cop stories. She also made light of her charges.
I'm willing to bet she was trying to plug a book or lecture based on how often she said "my work".
@@Dyzar555 I agree "were all dealing with trauma and we've never healed as people ever" Like thats cool and all but its not a solution 😂😂😂😂
i was literally praying that scar didn’t leave😭after he came back, hearing what he had to say was so relieving
All i got was him blaming the police for doing their job, i was riding my bike and broke a law and those mean police officers pulled me over, booohooo!
Love the fact check about Uvalde. That officer picked the wrong example there.
Donna is extremely down to earth, I love that about her. She seems very bright too which would really help with her responding to the cops questions and arguments. She’s definitely my favourite person in this video.
She southern. ❤
Bright??? She said she doesn’t care who the officer is, she is automatically uneasy about them yet is irritable when a cop judges her based on her prior convictions. So it’s ok for her to judge the person based on a job but not ok for them to judge her on he criminal history. Please make that make sense
@@raiderlevie1791 did you listen to what she said at the start of the video. She was raped by a police officer you clearly don’t understand the effects of that. Anyone who has been raped will feel uneasy around people who remind her of them.
@@liquidsoap106ok that’s horrible but if something happens in that police officers life that reminds them of the convict can they not feel uneasy or judge regardless if she was raped
Okay but did you look into the crimes she committed? She downplayed her charge in this show so hard. Look her up. Donna Hylton is her name
Charlie was driving me insane. He’s is very angry and holds on a lot of things that has happened in his lives. I can take a wild guess and say he doesn’t want to take accountability.
I agree, this conversation definitely could have been done without him.
He came in with a closed mind and no intention of learning
This is a middle ground series and yeah he step in without trying to find middle ground. Just a jerk and troll at its finest
He is the definition of a criminal. Honestly do not know where they found him.
"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.” ― Plato
as an ex-convict this is so painful to watch because it was such an opportunity to actually bring valid points to the table not how they started off I don't know I haven't finished it yet
I totally agree with you. There are so many intelligent convicts out there and these 4 really seem like the worst possible people for this debate. The police absolutely crushed them in this debate, whereas with more mature people there could’ve been so much more nuance.
@@lukemaczynski455 Facts
The Convo had to get started somehow, and maybe this one had to focus on the trauma caused... I think the ex-cons were perfect individuals for this. The cops needed to hear their storys
@@n3bmusic What about the trauma caused by convicts too?
@@BroJo676for real.. are we forgetting they are convicts?
18:55 The way she described the way she THINKS cops greats people at traffic stops that aren't her is wild. We all get talked to the same until we talk crazy or want to allow our ego to flare up. So many chips on their shoulders jeez. I'm from LA, too, and I've been stopped in a few counties here, and they all act and treat me the same as the last one. Context in key people.
This seems more like a therapy session than a productive conversation.
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 여기서 본 코멘트 중 가장
Obviously trying to have conversations with mentally immature felons won't be productive 🤣
This was a rough one to watch. The whole conversation seemed to be based on emotions rather than facts, from both sides. Not the best casting on this one in my opinion.
Still productive
Healing is very productive
So sad to hear Bonnie’s story. Saying her hero was a cop, and now she has PTSD over jangling sounds of keys. Now she is trying to turn her life around, but her past still catches up to her as she gets questioned by cops. Hope she can make it. Scar and Donna sound like they faced wrong conduct of past times. Hope they can live peacefully and safely.
Charlie… I hope Charlie doesn’t end up in jail again.
We all know Charlie is probably in jail again. Let's be real.
Bonnie CHOOSE to go the route she went just as the other ex-cons. Because they went down the wrong path, they have to deal with the present and future consequences of their past actions. It is what it is.
My Aunt said the same thing. She went missing for almost a day ...she said she was arrested and never went to jail. She had to walk from wherever he dropped her off.
I dont feel bad for her at all. That is 100% her fault she chose to go down that path. She got what she got.
That’s their job. Stop being mental
"Societal issues are not on the police."
I actually agree with this statement. But then our next logical conclusion has to be that police are not going to solve societal issues. Increasing police funding, at the expense of other programs (since funding is finite), is not going to reduce crime. The cities with the largest police budgets, the most advanced weapons, the best tech, etc continue to struggle with crime and violence. We need to address the root causes of crime and tackle poverty, lack of opportunity, education, community division, etc.
I do agree with your point but I also do think there was a correlation of most major cities drastically cutting their police budget in the wake of the 2020 protests and the following 1,5 years being the most violent the US have seen in almost 2 decades.
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@@rodneydongerfield5378 I don't know. I think the narrative that the "police were defunded" was greatly overblown. In my city, during the pandemic, a lot of departments/programs were having their budgets reduced. The police budget was reduced by 50 million, basically bringing it to what it was a few years ago. And then the very next year, it was increased again, erasing the budget reduction. There was also very little focus on the inverse of defunding the police, which is community investment. We didn't see increase in community development, affordable housing, jobs programs, education, after-school programs, etc.
I think we also need to reckon with the fact that the pandemic brought on a lot of instability for folks. Both individually, in terms of health, finances, job loss. But also culturally, as we began to divide even more around lockdowns and vaccinations. I think there were many factors that brought on increases in violence.
Have you ever thought the reason why these cities with the highest budget is becuase they have the highest crime yet are getting a ton of programs already.
@@rodneydongerfield5378 I would love some actual statistics on that
The way Marlon gets excited in this knowing he is being watched I feel like he is one of those cops that don't need a gun
I would really like to know what happened to Charlie for him to have such a lack of accountability.
He’s immature and influenced
He's a sociopath. They have no remorse for their actions as they lack empathy. I've worked in prison, I know this type all too well.
i simply think he just did not care about what they had to say
@@DirectorHMAN do you have the credentials to diagnose that?
I understand what your saying but You gotta put yourself in his shoes tho
I think it’s so funny that they’re talking about Uvalde and how they need guns to get in but yet they stood outside, and the parents had to go and themselves
Literally dozens of armed and trained officers standing there for 77 minutes and did nothing.
Are you really that simple minded? He’s using that as an example of why cops needs guns he’s not defending the cops not running in. Geeeeez!
Thank you! I was about to say the same. The armed men did nothing at Uvalde to save those children and teachers
exactly which is why when that charlie guy said to call in abck up for the swat who are allowed to have guns makes no sense. cops should be able to have guns like every other american citizen. The issue that NO ONE seems to want to address is mental health.
@@FuhrerHeisen Mental health is so important! Police officers should not be dispatched to deal with mental health patients (obviously in a setting where they are not endangering anyone else). Or have officers with proper training in a team with therapists, crisis professionals, and if it were to a point that they became excessively violent to them or someone else the police officer would be there to aid in that situation.
Charlie is the type of guy to go around poking a wild animal with a stick and claim he did nothing wrong to provoke said animal. He literally tried to instigate everything and play victim afterwards. He gave such middle school edgelord vibes to the point where it was straight cringe
wonder how you'd behave if you had lived his whole entire life.
@@MollyGaiamy thoughts exactly
He is 100% sovereign citizen... worst individuals in this country
@@MollyGaiathe life of a criminal? Lol get outta here
Anyone who doesn’t see this, has never had to deal with someone like him, try having Charlie as a brother. He’s the problem in this situation, yeah the taller cop seems to have an ego, but even he is somewhat trying to understand the others pov, Charlie is just there to insult people and blame everything else but his own actions.
@6:06 jubilee not even trying to hide how unbiased they are 😂😂 you guys are something else!!
The bro in grey with the face tats seems like a kind soul. Now that I’m hearing his childhood trauma with police is heartbreaking. I can most speak for the west coast, black and brown people get policed harder, we’re already assumed to be criminals or a threat, and it’s almost impossible to grow up without fear or distrust for police (the people/system put in place to keep us safe). SMH 😢
scare lol and i feel you and he way everyone was talking over him made me hella mad
@@lillyonadean280 Hella mad but I give him his props. He showed a lot of growth and stayed true to himself and his experiences.
mario (scar) is literally the best
He’s a lame i seen that lame acting a fool during blm protests.
@@lillyonadean280frrrrf
I'm happy that Scar gave the episode another chance. As a neurodiverse person who also has experience having to fight to be heard, I totally saw where Scar was coming from when he said he was done.
Same here.
Neurodiverse person? That's cute😂
@@cleanup8984 What? Have you never heard of that term before? It literally means that people's brain work differently. As in they take in information differently, they perceive the world differently, etc. It's a term used for people who suffer from ADHD, Autism, ADD, Dyslexia and other things. They're brain literally doesn't work the "same" as a "normal" persons brain. Which, in my opinion, no one's brain works the same, it's all different depending on the individual. That term isn't really just for people who have issues. It's just basically a term saying that people's brain works differently. Lmfao idk why you're acting everyone's brain is the exact same and there's no difference.
@@guccimane8310 its still a buzzword.. That's why i said it's cute.
@@cleanup8984 corny
I see exactly why Charlie has issues with police. Immediately assumes the worst of the police and can’t even let that cop answer him.
That’s because he does not take accountability for what he does… it’s always the cops fault… no sir stop breaking the law. He made me so mad.
Jubilee encouraged this. This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!
It’s called trauma… I’m not a ex con but I understand I’ve been pulled over multiple times for no reason and just questioned.. I fit the description
@@KennethWhitejrI agree with you. The way he's acting and responds may come across to certain people as impatient ,rude, defensive and even unjustified, etc..., I do believe his actions and response reactions are all rooted in all of his previous bad, unpleasant interactions and negative experiences when having to deal with cops. Trauma and becoming traumatized of something or someone is unfortunately a very common occurrence and a very normal response and reaction that happens to a person that has had NOTHING but BAD EXPERIENCES and BAD, HORRIBLE MEMORIES OF SOMETHING OR SOMEONE. Also once that happens, depending on how deep and serious that trauma is ,it can be extremely hard to control or hold in. It takes time, forgiveness and healing depending on the severity of the trauma . I wish him and the rest of the panel lhealth and healing because I unfortunately understand first hand and know all too well how and why they have developed traumas and their way of thinking of the cops.
Yea your experience means it will happen to everyone else.. 🙄 Cops don’t just show up for no reason.. they’re called to the drama/crime… It’s called their “job”.
One major thing they all, on both sides are not considering. When a crime is committed, there is a person who is a victim to that crime. Those people, the victims deserve justice to the best it can be offered. Victims rights are violated by the criminal who perpetrated the offense.
Saying they didnt consider it is an irresponsible statement. It goes without saying, but even then, the black cop states clearly he CANNOT do what HE feels, if the person who CALLED him, so a store owner, wants you who stole to go to jail, or a homeowner was robbed, youre going to jail. The polices job is to do what you said, and its literally CENTERED around the fact the person who called deserves justice.
And even the convicts understand this. They want to be considered for what they went through. Bonnie said she took full accountability for the things she did. This means she knew it was something she could get in trouble for, and did it because it was worth the risk for her. She gets that its a risk because she could be caught.
Its silly to suggest neither side knows this. Its abundantly clear they recognize this. The convicts issues were they dont feel recognized as the human being with their full set of experiences that explains why they are. Essentially, they want compassion. And the black cop has it but compassion doesnt pay bills. And if you did the crime, thats on you, thats why its a risk.
Im not trying to be mean but they didnt say this so blatantly as you worded because NO one needs to be told this its the reason police exist, to protect and serve. Serve who? Who calls. Typically this means they get justice by doing so. Criminals hardly say they didnt do ANYTHING ( when this topic comes up ) its always about how cops treated them. If youre hungry youre not evil. Cops get that. But youre still going to jail.
Yo Marlon trying not to laugh at Charlie during his fantastical road side encounter scenario was gold!
😂😂😂
I really hate to agree with the Charlie guy for sooo many reasons..... But his example isn't unreasonable. There is literally videos on TH-cam showing cops doing exactly what he said... Again I do not like the Charlie guy
Charlie is a prime example of what nonsense cops deal with.
Charlie is almost certainly guilty and triggered. Who wants to bet when he was stopped by a cop it was because he had committed a crime?
I don’t get it.
Charlie has been brainwashed over time. It's easy to see. You can tell him that he has been programmed.
100%
Charlie is a clown . He’s probably the type to have a gun while telling the cops not to have a gun.
I think we could see why Charlie has so many bad run-ins with the police bro can't keep his mouth shut
Boot 🥾 licker 👅 😂
This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!
So you notice Charlie doing that but yet the cops started off the show doing it, so you cant say one is wrong and not the other. If its bad for one its bad for both!!!
@@swaggoutkid no where near as bad a charlie homie, it got so bad the cop couldn't get a single word in and had to ask for the host to do their job
@@swaggoutkidCharlie is extremely ignorant there’s a lack of maturity and accountability
so.. if a person resists arrest and has a gun, how would a gunless cop be able to stop them? it's like to just want to reverse the issue and aim the violence at police officers. what sort of a solution is that?
First off, can we acknowledge the courage it took for both sides to this. Second, trauma is so rampant that no one goes unafflicted by it. Third, I commend the Tennesse officer, and I think that's why it's so crucial to have police officers patrolling the same areas they grew up in. The people know them and their families, and there is some trust built in.
Agreed & well said @L L
Large agree
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Which courage did it take for the cops? Be for real
@@mudanabdi9863 do you need to be guided through life as well? just asking since you need someone else to point out for you, what > 550 ppl have liked thus far. If your question is rhetorical, it should be clearly stated not implied by that lackluster” be for real”
I love the way that Donna can read the emotions and trauma in the room and so eloquently bring the conversation back to a healthy medium
Couldn't agree more. Donna was very articulate and eloquent in responding in reading the room and people's perspective and trauma's.
I disagree I feel bad for her because she has not fully processed and let go of her traumatization. It’s making her close minded, full of anger. I will pray that she heals. Sad that she suffered and continues to suffer because of it. I hope she finds a more positive way to move forward.
@@stpeta17 Right! Very articulate but projecting the image of her experience on all the cops.
Agree. I really appreciated her contributions, her knowledge, and willingness to see both sides. I'm very curious about the work she does, if anyone knows let me know!
Because she's done a lot of healing on her own
Charlie “we should take care of our selfs” probably lives in a community where nobody holds each other accountable and crime is problematic and everyone is scared of each other.
Not even probably. It’s 110% they are all hindering each other
Chile thats everywhere...
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Charlie definitely got issues, that made his hatred towards cops be that much. It was never going anywhere each time he opened his mouth.
I feel like it's better to say trauma than issues
he’s just mad he can’t commit his crimes in peace and not be held accountable
@@gyosob7265 preach, cus this girl was just responding to people saying how terrible they are for addressing the rape topic.
@@Offechen someone here with brain cells 😂 👏
@@Offechen 😂 exactly
Charlie will read these comments and somehow interrupt you while typing
Yeah it was so frustrating he is the most annoying guy I've ever heard
This!! 😃😄😆
Lol. Bro tried bringing up Emmett Till like it was happening with today's cops. Like as if he saw it happen on the news. Even in the other video he did with the sit down with the one cop, he was insufferable.
My biggest issue with this one; THERE WAS NO GENUINE MEDIATOR. I didn't get to hear points that were important because often, they talked over each other. And the questions didn't feel proactive enough... felt pointed at either side which yes its "Middle ground" But it needed someone to direct the flow. And the conversation about trauma was in my opinion the only understanding side :(
Loved the dudes example about being broken down, waiting for AAA, and being co fronted by the law looking for trouble. Personally had an experience very very similar to that that ended w me in a precarious situation
I’m from Japan and this country is known for the most safest countries on earth, yet the cops carry guns because there’s still certain amount of people who commit crime that needs to be done with a gun.
You can take the tools away from a criminal. You cannot take away the intent. They will just use a new tool
UK is my best example. Super low gun crime after they banned guns. Then knife crime skyrocketed.
@@xenosayain1506 Except the barrier to use a knife to attack someone is higher then the barrier to use a gun. A knife carries more uncertainty because your less powerful with it.
@@GodofGamesss not true at all. Regular size knife wounds(stapping) tend to do more tissue damage than full metal jacket bullets. The blade will do waaay more if serrated to flesh. The only difference is distance. Literally.
Not safe for women apparently...
@@xenosayain1506 depends
How did someone like Charlie get into a jubilee discussion, the only thing he added to this conversation, was agitation and immaturity
Watch more of these Jubilee videos and you’ll notice they try to have at least one of those people in the discussion lol
@@tsunderefan6072 yeah, true
That's what jubilee does in every video, they say they get from all backgrounds but they seek troublemakers in each debate to take the conversation out of hand. They get someone loud and irrational always that stomps on the conversation and tilts a narrative.
52:44 hit too close to home huh?
@@tsunderefan6072 they didn’t have it in the bloods and crips video
Charlie was just there to argue with the cops. He literally was on the side that he agreed saying police brutality is blown out of proportion, yet he was STILL arguing with the cops even though he agreed with the prompt like them. Like seriously? He clearly has some personal spite towards them that even if he agrees with the topic he will still argue
He didnt understand the prompt
He never said he agreed with them. The prompts are vague. And hm I wonder why he had spite towards the cops I sure hope he explains it in the video 🤔
@@koffibeen3818 FR the convicts on this panel said many times how they were fucked over by the police why is this person acting like its outlandish Charlie was aggressive towards them
@@sarawithnoh9449 It’s never the felon’s fault for their own life choices. They’re just mad they got caught.
Yes bro🔥🔥